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By *oe bloggs69 OP Man
over a year ago

fife

Smells like fascism to me,I won't be voting for them

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Smells like fascism to me,I won't be voting for them"

Have any tories gone out on the streets in Scotland?...

However I do think that New Labour is more right wing than the One Country Conservatism pre-Thatcher, so the chant of red tory is unfortunately reasonable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

4 men with a banner and loud hailer shouting "Red Tories Out"?

Hardly the rise of the Third Reich, and there was no SNP involvement.

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By *oe bloggs69 OP Man
over a year ago

fife

Says the SNP!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What a load of bullshit it was a few ppl shouting red tories out so does that make them thugs ?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"What a load of bullshit it was a few ppl shouting red tories out so does that make them thugs ? "

You clearly haven't seen the news footage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What a load of bullshit it was a few ppl shouting red tories out so does that make them thugs ?

You clearly haven't seen the news footage."

uch giz a break _nny it was few ppl shouting their veiws and u know it ,oh and i did see the news and thats what it showed

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I'm still voting Conservative

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

"I'm still voting Conservative

So will I!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"What a load of bullshit it was a few ppl shouting red tories out so does that make them thugs ?

You clearly haven't seen the news footage.

uch giz a break _nny it was few ppl shouting their veiws and u know it ,oh and i did see the news and thats what it showed "

You clearly have your tartan goggle on.

It'll be interesting to see how many Stormtroopers the Nats can turn out tomorrow when Jim Murphy welcomes Gordon Brown to Glasgow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can't we heckle politicians anymore ?

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

"What a load of bullshit it was a few ppl shouting red tories out so does that make them thugs ? "

Same as there was no bullying from the YES campaign? Bullshit!

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

Although I did think Eddie Izzard looked like a Thatcherite

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm English but registered to vote in Scotland. SNP all the way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have you seen the images from various angles, and the stories which are now flooding Twitter?

Labour supporters blocking independent camera men from getting wider shots, a literally tiny SNP group campaigning vocally, and lots of tight angle shots to make it look like a baying mob. Plenty of people releasing pics from their workplaces and from the street genuine astonished at the spin being thrown at this story.

And as for vocal, abusive campaigning and a bit of passion - that's been part of political electioneering since time began. It's beyond embarrassing that some people are so eager to pretend that this is new and that something shocking is happening.

Let's be honest, politics was much rowdier back in the day. The unions weren't shy of a bit of aggro on the campaign trail for example. Nowadays, you cast an angry glance at someone and everyone's in a panic.

As for the references to Nazis etc, genuinely contemptible and disgusting. The attempts by certain corners of the 'political' world to throw utterly spurious links between the SNP and Nazis is beyond contempt, especially when there are several parties whose policies are closer to the real thing!

Don't believe the spin, don't believe the mc implicit Westminster machine, there is an aim to the stories you're being fed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have you seen the images from various angles, and the stories which are now flooding Twitter?

Don't believe the spin, don't believe the mc implicit Westminster machine, there is an aim to the stories you're being fed. "

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The oil and gas firm I used to work for sent out emails trying to disuede it's employees from voting Yes in the referendum. The media are totally bias apart from a small fraction. Comparing anyone to Nazism is disgusting and shows the level some will stoop to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What a load of bullshit it was a few ppl shouting red tories out so does that make them thugs ?

Same as there was no bullying from the YES campaign? Bullshit!

going back to the referendum it was happening on both sides or did you not see that ?

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

There will be a very small element in all parties.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What a load of bullshit it was a few ppl shouting red tories out so does that make them thugs ?

You clearly haven't seen the news footage.

uch giz a break _nny it was few ppl shouting their veiws and u know it ,oh and i did see the news and thats what it showed

You clearly have your tartan goggle on.

It'll be interesting to see how many Stormtroopers the Nats can turn out tomorrow when Jim Murphy welcomes Gordon Brown to Glasgow."

lol yip il have my tartan goggles on tomorow and il be heckling both of them ,doesnt make me a bully or a thug

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By *ckleticklesWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Have you seen the images from various angles, and the stories which are now flooding Twitter?

Don't believe the spin, don't believe the mc implicit Westminster machine, there is an aim to the stories you're being fed. "

Absolutely!!

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

can we have the _iews of the op re Boris Johnsons henchmen man handling and assaulting a female labour campiagner over the weekend?

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

I must admit, I never did see the collation with the Nazis, but maybe now I am starting to see it, it's like the Scottish referendum all over again that has literally split families in half up and down the country! How to divide a country in half? Go the SNP, they really know how to work their art!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wish people would not speak on Nazis - I (m) my grandfather was on the list for the "Weissenstein" concentration camp. Luck for him and his friends the country was not over run as dear Adolf did not have the time.

People in Britain do not know what fascist _iews are.

Ask my Italian relatives who had to hide in the mountains around Bergamo and who landed in front of the firing squad as they supported the King and the Communist; Or even part of the German family who were Socialist during 1930-45 who had to hide in the Schwarzwald.

To shout down an opinion is not politics

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By *gNeMan
over a year ago

Harrogate

"Have you seen the images from various angles, and the stories which are now flooding Twitter?

Don't believe the spin, don't believe the mc implicit Westminster machine, there is an aim to the stories you're being fed. "

Yeah gotta agree with you. Don't think anyone was comparing snp to the nazi party though?

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"Wish people would not speak on Nazis - I (m) my grandfather was on the list for the "Weissenstein" concentration camp. Luck for him and his friends the country was not over run as dear Adolf did not have the time.

People in Britain do not know what fascist _iews are.

To shout down an opinion is not politics

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having been in Glasgow the day after the referendum, I saw plenty of thugs attacking people, screaming abuse, pinching, pulling flags out the hands of young girls, spitting and attacking the police. It was hideous, and one of the worst things I've ever had the misfortune to witness.

But these were not SNP supporters. They were 'Better Together' fans, waving Union flags and, in many cases, proudly offering what looked remarkably like Nazi salutes.

While the 'there are idiots on both sides' line is absolutely fine to an extent, we really ought to be honest that by far the worst behaviour in Scotland in the last year was perpetrated by these idiots on that night.

Now, I wouldn't stoop to labelling all unionist voters Nazis, and I don't think I'd even stoop to labelling the group on that night Nazis. They were simply moronic, stupid thugs out to crush what had been a peaceful, hopeful atmosphere. So often for the weak, bullying and destruction are the easiest responses, because it's all the know.

Vote whichever way you want in Thursday. Vote without fear or prejudice. Vote with hope and peace in your heart, and with the naive dream that possibilities can make for a better tomorrow. Don't stoop to the actions of cowards, and don't stoop to petty, ill-informed name calling as a cheap way of scoring points. Fight with facts, and with hope, and you'll be better for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Says the SNP!!!!"

And you know it was the SNP how? Other than because it suits your argument?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Although I did think Eddie Izzard looked like a Thatcherite"

Lol,

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I must admit, I never did see the collation with the Nazis, but maybe now I am starting to see it, it's like the Scottish referendum all over again that has literally split families in half up and down the country! How to divide a country in half? Go the SNP, they really know how to work their art! "

Read up on Arthur Donaldson, former SNP leader.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah gotta agree with you. Don't think anyone was comparing snp to the nazi party though?"

Resorting to use of words like fascism and Nazis has been pretty stock trade of many campaigning against the SNP in recent months sadly. It's a weak baseless argument frequently perpetrated by those supporting parties with no compelling argument of their own to make.

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"What a load of bullshit it was a few ppl shouting red tories out so does that make them thugs ?

You clearly haven't seen the news footage."

Whats make people think it was SNP ? surely people wouldnt be so quick to judge when there was pro- union group marched into george sq on the 19th Sept but that doesnt mean it was anyone from labour , tories or whoever else.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Yeah gotta agree with you. Don't think anyone was comparing snp to the nazi party though?

Whereas the use of Quisling isn't?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There will be a very small element in all parties."

never a truer word spoken,_iew as normal the voice of reason

Just imagine though, if someone from fab had been in st. Enoch square at the time, perhaps having a quiet coffee in the original subway station building and witnessed the poor behaviour from not only the protesters/hecklers but also from Jim Murphy's minders/spotters.

As ususual the media are not telling the entire story and are making a mountain out of a molehill.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can't we heckle politicians anymore ? "

the labour party have previous for being intolerant of heckling

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qdojzc0J8ts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Although I did think Eddie Izzard looked like a Thatcherite"

I thought so as well, fundilymundily ironic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Smells like fascism to me,I won't be voting for them

Have any tories gone out on the streets in Scotland?...

However I do think that New Labour is more right wing than the One Country Conservatism pre-Thatcher, so the chant of red tory is unfortunately reasonable."

the tories have been out on the streets but pretty low key, except for the bloke wearing a tory rosette photographed manning a labour party stall in East Renfrewshire at weekend.

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By *i_garyMan
over a year ago

glasgow

the tories have been out on the streets but pretty low key, except for the bloke wearing a tory rosette photographed manning a labour party stall in East Renfrewshire at weekend."

Maybe for the best. An SNP supporter is up in court for attacking a tory candidate's son while he manned a stall at the weekend.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Don't believe the spin, don't believe the mc implicit Westminster machine, there is an aim to the stories you're being fed. "

its always "blame the folks in westminster for all the woes"..... its almost like people forget that scotlands issues and how money is spent is decided in a little place called holyrood........

it's like its a free pass... you get more money spent per head than the rest of the uk via the barnett formula... and it's still "lets blame westminster!!!"

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

Don't believe the spin, don't believe the mc implicit Westminster machine, there is an aim to the stories you're being fed.

its always "blame the folks in westminster for all the woes"..... its almost like people forget that scotlands issues and how money is spent is decided in a little place called holyrood........

it's like its a free pass... you get more money spent per head than the rest of the uk via the barnett formula... and it's still "lets blame westminster!!!""

Saved me typing it!

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Smells like fascism to me,I won't be voting for them"
Your a wise man,the SNP scare me,I feel they are evil.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Smells like fascism to me,I won't be voting for themYour a wise man,the SNP scare me,I feel they are evil."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't believe the spin, don't believe the mc implicit Westminster machine, there is an aim to the stories you're being fed.

its always "blame the folks in westminster for all the woes"..... its almost like people forget that the scotlands issues and how money is spent is decided in a little place called holyrood........

it's like its a free pass... you get more money spent per head than the rest of the uk via the barnett formula... and it's still "lets blame westminster!!!""

There's a bit more to it than that and all political parties agree. Scotland is a lot more rural than England so public services cost more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dRNztIPb8uU

video shows that Murphy's supporters are not exactly innocent in this, like _iew said earlier theres a small element in all parties.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The title 'quisling watch' rather gives the game away.

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By *ust MonicaWoman
over a year ago

CAMBRIDGESHIRE

"Have you seen the images from various angles, and the stories which are now flooding Twitter?

Don't believe the spin, don't believe the mc implicit Westminster machine, there is an aim to the stories you're being fed. "

Well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Conservative/Labour leaders....posh Etonian educated, born with a silver spoon, only interested in making themselves and their friends richer at our expense.... lying twats.

SNP leader, grew up in a slum in Glasgow (well near Glasgow anyway) and knows what a hard days work is. Who really represents the majority here.

If England, or Scotlands deep south as we like to call it ever gets a party leader like Sturgeon, they would be voted in by a land slide..........discuss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If Scotland ever gets independance please take the north of England with you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Conservative/Labour leaders....posh Etonian educated, born with a silver spoon, only interested in making themselves and their friends richer at our expense.... lying twats.

SNP leader, grew up in a slum in Glasgow (well near Glasgow anyway) and knows what a hard days work is. Who really represents the majority here.

If England, or Scotlands deep south as we like to call it ever gets a party leader like Sturgeon, they would be voted in by a land slide..........discuss

xx"

I would never vote for someone like her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"4 men with a banner and loud hailer shouting "Red Tories Out"?

Hardly the rise of the Third Reich, and there was no SNP involvement. "

The more people that give that toss pot murphy a damm good heckle the better, he is the chomper that wants to tax us english to bank roll the jocks, laughed my tits off when chucka slapped him down on TV a few weeks back. it will be the funniest thing on earth if the snp steamroller labour up north just to see the look on his and milly bands faces

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the tories have been out on the streets but pretty low key, except for the bloke wearing a tory rosette photographed manning a labour party stall in East Renfrewshire at weekend.

Maybe for the best. An SNP supporter is up in court for attacking a tory candidate's son while he manned a stall

at the weekend."

and a lady called s_nny gerwan was taken to hospital today after being attacked by unionists thugs at an snp stall in paisley today ,i wonder what murphy and dugdale have to say about that oh and its not been on the news even though it is more serious than murphy getting heckled

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

the tories have been out on the streets but pretty low key, except for the bloke wearing a tory rosette photographed manning a labour party stall in East Renfrewshire at weekend.

Maybe for the best. An SNP supporter is up in court for attacking a tory candidate's son while he manned a stall

at the weekend.

Why has it not been on the news, wings over Scotland or the Police Scotland website? Do the police know who did it or are they not bothering to look?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't believe the spin, don't believe the mc implicit Westminster machine, there is an aim to the stories you're being fed.

its always "blame the folks in westminster for all the woes"..... its almost like people forget that scotlands issues and how money is spent is decided in a little place called holyrood........

it's like its a free pass... you get more money spent per head than the rest of the uk via the barnett formula... and it's still "lets blame westminster!!!""

Totally depends on the version of finance you choose to use. Through many, many years of Scottish oil, Scotland has been a significant contributor to the union. Go read McCrone, which was so systematically repressed by IK governments.

It's not about blame, it's about standing on your own two feet. There's a huge, sad irony in bring constantly told that you live off UK handouts all the time but bring told that you must stay in that union because you're so important to it. It increasingly appears that Scots are only important when they play nice, keep quiet and continue to prop up the tired UK government's two party machine.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

"Conservative/Labour leaders....posh Etonian educated, born with a silver spoon, only interested in making themselves and their friends richer at our expense.... lying twats.

SNP leader, grew up in a slum in Glasgow (well near Glasgow anyway) and knows what a hard days work is. Who really represents the majority here.

If England, or Scotlands deep south as we like to call it ever gets a party leader like Sturgeon, they would be voted in by a land slide..........discuss

xx"

So! Lets see where the SNP gained all their popularity: on the back of Mr Alec Salmond making up every single false promise / policy possible to get an independent Scotland. From oil revenues to stirring up Nationalist sentiment.

The people of Scotland voted to stay within the Union. If independence had been won, Scotland would be a bankrupt nation by now. FACT. If not for revenue streams then for the share of the national debt. The freedoms felt under the union now would all be gone ... University placement, NHS prescriptions, eye tests, fitness. Likelihood of being within the EU and being able to trade freely to mention just a few!

The false promises Salmond made to the people of Scotland should have made him a laughing stock should the SNP have won. The ill sentiment and the divide he has created for his lack of both political and economic foresight speaks volumes for his underlying motivation to get into office - to divide a nation. He is the Scottish equivalent of Farage becoming PM.

For some reason, despite now coming out on top, and receiving more per head than any part of the Union, you want to vote in a party, that have NO political experience, want to divide a nation and that has no ability to make any kind of forecasts (even within 6 months!) as was the oil revenues.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't you just love it when people capitalise words. It makes everything they say true lol

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I didn't see enough on the tv to form an opinion.

But this election has failed to impress me as almost all coverage has been in closed groups, where the real public get nowhere near to the politicians. They've all been running too scared.

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By *uyfromchiMan
over a year ago

CHICHESTER

typical of scots n snp !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"typical of scots n snp !!!"

Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Conservative/Labour leaders....posh Etonian educated, born with a silver spoon, only interested in making themselves and their friends richer at our expense.... lying twats.

SNP leader, grew up in a slum in Glasgow (well near Glasgow anyway) and knows what a hard days work is. Who really represents the majority here.

If England, or Scotlands deep south as we like to call it ever gets a party leader like Sturgeon, they would be voted in by a land slide..........discuss

Well, there's an impressive rewriting of history for you. The irony of grumbling about Salmond's so-called 'false promises' when the Better Together camp had to wheel out 'the vow' and Gordon Brown to win the debate is staggering. If you're looking for false promises, there's the number one source for you.

As for university fees, prescriptions etc, these are free because there is a Scottish Parkiament and that parliament has some spending powers. In providing these things, they choose not to spend on others. It's basic economics, and it's entirely within the powers of the UK government to provide them too, if it chooses. If you feel so strongly about them, go campaign to have them added in England rather than coming off as jealous and bitter because two nations have different spending priorities.

If there had been a yes vote, it is not a FACT that Scotland would be bankrupt. Sorry, even your capital letters don't prove that for a moment. Check McCrone for example. it was repressed so long because it underlined just how wealthy Scotland would have been.

That's done and dusted now but I think rUK needs to think a little bit more about how it communicates with Scotland. During the referendum it was all about how loved and important Scotland was, and pleadings not to leave but to play a full role in the UK.

As soon as that happens, and as soon as there are any political _iews which don't suit then it's all about closing down the argument, and telling Scots that they're not contributing enough and living off English money etc.

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By *owboy BebopMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Having been in Glasgow the day after the referendum, I saw plenty of thugs attacking people, screaming abuse, pinching, pulling flags out the hands of young girls, spitting and attacking the police. It was hideous, and one of the worst things I've ever had the misfortune to witness.

But these were not SNP supporters. They were 'Better Together' fans, waving Union flags and, in many cases, proudly offering what looked remarkably like Nazi salutes.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

You're factually wrong when you say Scotland gets most money.

I think you'll find Northern Ireland gets more money than the other constituent part of the UK, and has done for decades.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Don't believe the spin, don't believe the mc implicit Westminster machine, there is an aim to the stories you're being fed.

its always "blame the folks in westminster for all the woes"..... its almost like people forget that scotlands issues and how money is spent is decided in a little place called holyrood........

it's like its a free pass... you get more money spent per head than the rest of the uk via the barnett formula... and it's still "lets blame westminster!!!"

and we go again with the oil stuff.... lets look at where we are....

all off the figures the snp used last september were based on oil being constantly 130 dollars a barrel..... now oil stands at around 70 dollars a barrel... and hit a low of 45 dollars a barrel over xmas......

huge hole in the snp figures..... never explained!

even in this election, the reason the SNP have shyed further and further away from saying "full fiscal automony/responsibily" for scotland because the independent IFS did an audit... and worked out that scotland would have a black hole of about 8bn in their figures.....

thats about half the budget of the english nhs......

you going to slate the IFS now.... becaus when parties down south do they get crushed.... thats how respect they are, so you don't get political machines going after them!

if i was ed... I'd be tempted to call scotland bluff if you want it that badly...

I'd give you a referemdum on full fiscal resposiblilty, if you get rid of the barnett formula (no having your cake and eating it option)

if you want to bit off your nose to spite your face, i'm all for that.... give that extra money to wales and northern ireland!!!

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By *opinovMan
over a year ago

Point Nemo, Cumbria

I haven't seen any thuggishness by the SNP.

The most worrying thuggish behaviour I've seen during this election was an assault against Dr Rupa Huq (Labour PPC) by a Conservative activist accompanying Boris Johnston in Ealing. The way the guy treated her was more than a little "rapy" - a disturbing intrusion into this election of a certain subcontinental rape culture that needs to be stamped upon very hard from a very great height. One gets the inescapable impression he was perfectly comfortable with what he was doing, as was Boris and the other conservative councilors and activists present, as though they were in some way entitled to manhandle women like this and he well accustomed to doing so.

Now, I'm not a Labour supporter (I don't support any particular party) but I was disgusted and outraged by what took place - and a bit concerned that it seemed to go unreported by the mainstream TV news programmes.

Like any normal person, I detest violence, particularly when committed by a large man against a slight woman. And all of this in front of the media as though there was nothing untoward about it - can you imagine how he might have treated her if the media hadn't been there to "moderate' his behaviour?... totally fucking disgusting and utterly unacceptable!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and we go again with the oil stuff.... lets look at where we are....

huge hole in the snp figures..... never explained!

thats about half the budget of the english nhs......

you going to slate the IFS now.... becaus when parties down south do they get crushed.... thats how respect they are, so you don't get political machines going after them!

if i was ed... I'd be tempted to call scotland bluff if you want it that badly...

I'd give you a referemdum on full fiscal resposiblilty, if you get rid of the barnett formula (no having your cake and eating it option)

if you want to bit off your nose to spite your face, i'm all for that.... give that extra money to wales and northern ireland!!!

You're completely missing the point. Look at the current UK debt and deficit. Both enormous and regularly growing. So there is already a giant hole in the budget being imposed on Scotland by a government which they utterly rejected.

That's not democracy. It's not about oil in its entirety (though don't pretend the YK hasn't massively benefited and blown it all when an oil fund like Norway's could have been set up), it's about self determination. Scotland doesn't need you talking down to it, threats of calling its bluff and being told what a terrible, spoilt drain it is.

It has no need for billions of pounds on nuclear detterents, absurd wars etc, and rUK's rhetoric suggests they'd be happier without them - so might as well let them get on with deciding their own future.

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over a year ago

To Compare any UK Political party to the Nazi party is really insulting to all those who were on the receiving end of the Nazi's so called quest for World domination.

Shouting down others or even minor scuffles is in now way like what Nazism did.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

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over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

thats an easy card to play when there is a labour majority and tory goverment....

what about the 10 years before that when there was labour majority in scotland and labour majority in westminster..... were those _iews not represented then?

so it only counts when you are on the wrong side...... gotcha!!!!

in the last scottish elections...... the snp got 31% of the total vote.... but ended up with an absolute majority

so could those 69% of people in scotland who didn't vote snp last time argue the same exact thing????

i mean they didn't get a government that was representative to them... and to may it worse that was under a skewed version of PR!!!!!

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over a year ago

"Conservative/Labour leaders....posh Etonian educated, born with a silver spoon, only interested in making themselves and their friends richer at our expense.... lying twats.

SNP leader, grew up in a slum in Glasgow (well near Glasgow anyway) and knows what a hard days work is. Who really represents the majority here.

If England, or Scotlands deep south as we like to call it ever gets a party leader like Sturgeon, they would be voted in by a land slide..........discuss

Exactly

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over a year ago

thats an easy card to play when there is a labour majority and tory goverment....

what about the 10 years before that when there was labour majority in scotland and labour majority in westminster..... were those _iews not represented then?

so it only counts when you are on the wrong side...... gotcha!!!!

in the last scottish elections...... the snp got 31% of the total vote.... but ended up with an absolute majority

so could those 69% of people in scotland who didn't vote snp last time argue the same exact thing????

i mean they didn't get a government that was representative to them... and to may it worse that was under a skewed version of PR!!!!! "

How many Tory MPs do you think there are in Scotland???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What a load of bullshit it was a few ppl shouting red tories out so does that make them thugs ?

You clearly haven't seen the news footage."

Have. Complete nonsense. Man uses megaphone to shout at people countered by man using mega phone. Call in the National Guard.

Clarkin is a fanny. End off. Not representative of any party. Funny that Hothersall knew he was attending and hoped there would be cameras there... Just saying.

Desperation from Labour, like they tried at the ref campaign also.

There was a guy in St Andrews throwing stuff out a window at people waiting on Nicola yesterday. Nada. zip. Hew haw in the main press.

Ian Smart been kicked out yet?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

How many Tory MPs do you think there are in Scotland???

again does it only count if you happen to be on the wrong end of the result.... because you never heard that arguement when labour were in govt and there were a majority of labour mp's in scotland....

thats why i deride the last 5 years arguement... because you NEVER heard that arguement for the 10 years before that!!!!!

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By *ab femWoman
over a year ago

Ayrshire

Who gives a shit. This is a swingers site not a political site.

I was sick of the carry on and arguing on here when it was the run up to the independence vote. Now we have all this.

Anything for a bit of drama. If you think people will change their mind on who they vote for because someone posted their _iew on a swingers site is ludicrous

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By *ratty_DamselWoman
over a year ago

Greater London

If I was In Scotland I would vote for them, however as I live in England I hope to god that the scots still hold some sway in our politics. Otherwise we will be totally screwed by the Tories .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fabio, you're deluded if you don't think that argument has been made many, many times over many, many years. It's nothing new, and Scotland has had government's it didn't vote for many times over the years.

Too many want to have it both ways. Keep Scotlsnd in the union and enjoy the benefits it brings, but tell Scots they're irrelevant, uppity scrounges at the same time.

It's not a message that works anymore I'm afraid.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

You're factually wrong when you say Scotland gets most money.

I think you'll find Northern Ireland gets more money than the other constituent part of the UK, and has done for decades. "

Some at least of that is to compensate for the local difficulties of the last 40+ years and to rebuild a shattered economy - a difficulty which looks to have raised its head again today.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

"Conservative/Labour leaders....posh Etonian educated, born with a silver spoon, only interested in making themselves and their friends richer at our expense.... lying twats.

SNP leader, grew up in a slum in Glasgow (well near Glasgow anyway) and knows what a hard days work is. Who really represents the majority here.

If England, or Scotlands deep south as we like to call it ever gets a party leader like Sturgeon, they would be voted in by a land slide..........discuss

Exactly

Would you like to state any part of Salmond's campaign that turned out to be true! It was all hyperbole to stir up Nationalist sentiment, that IF the yes vote would have won, Scotland WOULD be up be up shit creek, without doubt! Now Stirling, no EU membership, oil revenues through the floor, oil reserves nowhere near as large as predicte. As far as not spending money on other areas and choosing to spend on the NHS, police and local services still receive well above national average per head... So... Telling me again exactly how the SNP are helping the political debate at all?

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over a year ago

Being heavily biased doesn't make you right. Join the debate rather than trying to close it, and try not to mistake opinion for fact. And accept that 'the vow' was the biggest single lie of the whole referendum campaign.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Fabio, you're deluded if you don't think that argument has been made many, many times over many, many years. It's nothing new, and Scotland has had government's it didn't vote for many times over the years. "

so does that mean that the 69% of scottish voters who didn't vote SNP last time in the scottish elections, but ended up on the wrong end of a snp overall majority in holyrood can use that same exact arguement?

is that not a fair question....

"Too many want to have it both ways."

we actually agree there.... however only one side of the arguement aren't actually saying that!!!

"Keep Scotlsnd in the union and enjoy the benefits it brings, but tell Scots they're irrelevant, uppity scrounges at the same time. "

actually i have never said that... and its not i would ever use because we are part of a wider UK and it is a UK wide election....

I do find it interesting that the real case for PR could be that the SNP could end up 4% of the total vote... and 50 mp's... and the Greens could end up with with 8% of the total vote... and just 1 mp

"It's not a message that works anymore I'm afraid. "

thats a bit like taking your ball away because you are not winning....

look.. lets get something right... I have never voted tory, never will.... I just see a lot of people north of the border blaming everything on westminster.... when every decision for the last 20 years on a local scottish government level has been made in holyrood....

its your govt that decided to keep free prescriptions, not westminster!

its your govt that decided to keep free tuition, not westminster!

its your govt that decided the shred 16-18yr old secondary eduction.... not westminster....

holyrood gets a free pass.... everything good they take credit for... everything bad... blame westminster!!!!!

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By *uyfromchiMan
over a year ago

CHICHESTER

vote UKIP on thurs !!!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"vote UKIP on thurs !!!"

oh god no!!!!

i have whittled my choice down to 3 of thurdsay.... green, lib dem or labour.... there are some things i like and dont like about each of them.... i wont decided till i am in the booth i think...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let Scotland have independance if they want it. Put your money where your mouth is as it where.

Then we can go for northern English independance. Neither would work imo But at least we'd be out of the tories clutches.

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over a year ago

"vote UKIP on thurs !!!

oh god no!!!!

i have whittled my choice down to 3 of thurdsay.... green, lib dem or labour.... there are some things i like and dont like about each of them.... i wont decided till i am in the booth i think..."

So labour or protest vote it is then

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Let Scotland have independance if they want it. Put your money where your mouth is as it where.

Then we can go for northern English independance. Neither would work imo But at least we'd be out of the tories clutches."

the answer is proper regional assemblies with greater devolved powers.... not that labour or the tories will suggest it....

then you could have a federal solutions with westminster dealing with national stuff

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Being heavily biased doesn't make you right. Join the debate rather than trying to close it, and try not to mistake opinion for fact. And accept that 'the vow' was the biggest single lie of the whole referendum campaign. "

The 'vow' is happening. In case you haven't noticed, there's an election to be fought.

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By *ratty_DamselWoman
over a year ago

Greater London

"vote UKIP on thurs !!!"

Yuck yuck yuck . UKIP are nothing but a group of racists dressed up. They have also said they would not keep to some UN equal opp laws too.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Let Scotland have independance if they want it. Put your money where your mouth is as it where.

Then we can go for northern English independance. Neither would work imo But at least we'd be out of the tories clutches.

the answer is proper regional assemblies with greater devolved powers.... not that labour or the tories will suggest it....

then you could have a federal solutions with westminster dealing with national stuff"

Whilst in Scotland, the SNP are usurping local democracy - creating a national police force, a national fire and rescue service and using cuts and closures to try to cover the costs.

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

Too many want to have it both ways. Keep Scotlsnd in the union and enjoy the benefits it brings, but tell Scots they're irrelevant, uppity scrounges at the same time.

It's not a message that works anymore I'm afraid. "

Alex Salmond did not even want a huge swath of Scottish people voting in the referendum as he though they would vote against independence; i.e. those Scottish people who had moved south of the border.

If they had been included the vote against independence would have been far greater.

In the same way many of those Scottish people vote Conservative in the general elections.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Too many want to have it both ways. Keep Scotlsnd in the union and enjoy the benefits it brings, but tell Scots they're irrelevant, uppity scrounges at the same time.

It's not a message that works anymore I'm afraid.

If they had been included the vote against independence would have been far greater.

In the same way many of those Scottish people vote Conservative in the general elections.

3.5 million voters out of a total population (all ages) of 5.3 million ain't a bad turnout.

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over a year ago

Too many want to have it both ways. Keep Scotlsnd in the union and enjoy the benefits it brings, but tell Scots they're irrelevant, uppity scrounges at the same time.

It's not a message that works anymore I'm afraid.

If they had been included the vote against independence would have been far greater.

In the same way many of those Scottish people vote Conservative in the general elections.

But he was entirely happy for all of the English, Irish, Polish, Pakistani, Indian, Bangladeshi etc who live in Scotland etc etc to vote.

So how does that fit in with your made-up numbers and assumptions?

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

is that not a fair question....

Too many want to have it both ways.

we actually agree there.... however only one side of the arguement aren't actually saying that!!!

Keep Scotlsnd in the union and enjoy the benefits it brings, but tell Scots they're irrelevant, uppity scrounges at the same time.

actually i have never said that... and its not i would ever use because we are part of a wider UK and it is a UK wide election....

It's not a message that works anymore I'm afraid.

thats a bit like taking your ball away because you are not winning....

its your govt that decided to keep free prescriptions, not westminster!

its your govt that decided to keep free tuition, not westminster!

its your govt that decided the shred 16-18yr old secondary eduction.... not westminster....

holyrood gets a free pass.... everything good they take credit for... everything bad... blame westminster!!!!!"

Pmsl

I think a large tumble just entered this thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Snp snp snp snp!!! Scotlands eyes are open now,the best thing about the referendum is the scottish people have been reminded of how powerfull a little cross in a box can be,and to top it all the main partys showing how they feel about scotland after they got the result they wanted has been the final step to a new age of politics and the death of scottish labour! # bairns not bombs!

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Smells like fascism to me,I won't be voting for them"
Glad you got that off your chest.

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over a year ago

"Snp snp snp snp!!! Scotlands eyes are open now,the best thing about the referendum is the scottish people have been reminded of how powerfull a little cross in a box can be,and to top it all the main partys showing how they feel about scotland after they got the result they wanted has been the final step to a new age of politics and the death of scottish labour! # bairns not

bombs!"

they all wanted us to stay in the union so now they will just have to deal with us having a voice

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

they all wanted us to stay in the union so now they will just have to deal with us having a voice

i think that thing is is that people dont mind you having a voice.. and if you want to vote snp to express that voice, then good on you....

but then... you have to stop blaming westminster for everything that doesn't go your way, and you have to stop blaming westminster for all of the local issues that were devolved to and are now decided in holyrood.....

unless you want to blame westminster for holyrood and you want all those powers returned......I thought not!!!!

so why do a lot of people who vote snp give holyrood a free pass, when it is their decisions on a local level that really effect you....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bring in Sharia law

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How many Tory MPs do you think there are in Scotland???

thats why i deride the last 5 years arguement... because you NEVER heard that arguement for the 10 years before that!!!!!

Hahaha deride it all you like it doesn't make it any less true. I won't join in with the trend on here for capitalising words. It doesn't make it true lol. I live in Scotland have done for 10 years. In a beautiful rural village and a busy city. No-one I've ever known has voted or wanted to vote tory. As for the oil industry, it's cyclical. Oil prices rise and fall. I know enough people who work in the sector. If money wasn't spent on arms and giving tax breaks to the richest echelons of society then....... But you keep reading the Daily Mail

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over a year ago

"Bring in Sharia law

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

with the greatest of respect... i am about as far away from a daily mail reader as you can imagine.... my politics has always been left/centre left.... as you would have read earlier i am not a tory and never voted tory, and not about to....

I was making a point that you didn't answer.... you are saying the system is unfair as there is little or no representation of scottish tories in westminster and thats unfair... but when labour were winning in scotland and in westminster that arguement wasnt being made then...

.... and if you think that is unfair, then surely the fact that a 31% share of the vote is enough for you to get an overall majority, as happened to the SNP in the 2011 scottish parliament is equally unfair...

or does it only work one way this unfairness....

okay.... let me put it another way.... the last Ipsos/Stv poll put the snp at 54% labour at 20% and the Tories 17%....

but under the rules as they are now.... that 54% could mean that the snp could win every scottish seat..... and the 17% the tories get.. and the 20% labour could get... may mean they end of with nothing....

almost 40% of the votes and no representation at all....... is that fair?

some people in scotland must vote tory... even thought you know none... because they have 17 seats in the scottish parliament.... so "someone" out there is voting for them.....

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over a year ago

They have 15 actually and I don't know of anyone who votes for them. Plenty of people who voted no in the referendum still vote SNP. They are the majority in Scotland. Sorry I haven't time or inclination to quote statistics like you lol. I just live up here.

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over a year ago

or does it only work one way this unfairness....

okay.... let me put it another way.... the last Ipsos/Stv poll put the snp at 54% labour at 20% and the Tories 17%....

almost 40% of the votes and no representation at all....... is that fair?

some people in scotland must vote tory... even thought you know none... because they have 17 seats in the scottish parliament.... so "someone" out there is voting for them....."

I think you're fighting a losing battle trying to get this idea through to people

I like the idea you're a Daily Mail reader though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If Scotland ever gets independance please take the north of England with you."

Please, please don't. I don't want to have to move down south

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Pictured with Nicola Sturgeon: The organiser of the Glasgow protest which First Minister said was 'nothing to do with the SNP'

THE SNP today moved to suspend Piers Doughty-Brown - a paid-up member of the party - after Monday's shameful scenes at a Scottish Labour rally in Glasgow.

Shadow Scottish Secretary Margaret Curran said: “Yesterday Nicola Sturgeon said the appalling scenes on the streets of Glasgow were nothing to do with the SNP, yet today she has suspended the SNP member who led the disruption.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/pictured-nicola-sturgeon-organiser-glasgow-5640372

So yes, SNP thugs after all.

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By *opinovMan
over a year ago

Point Nemo, Cumbria

"If Scotland ever gets independance please take the north of England with you.

Please, please don't. I don't want to have to move down south

Please, please do. I don't want to have to move up north

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I think you're fighting a losing battle trying to get this idea through to people

I like the idea you're a Daily Mail reader though

shut up will ya with the daily mail nonsense... you'll get my subscription to the guardian and the huffington post forcibly removed!!!!!

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

Why all the fuss about a party that can't even remember prices can go down as well as up

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By *i_garyMan
over a year ago

glasgow

" and there was no SNP involvement. "

Are you sure?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

just another thought .... do they even allow "hippy driving communists" (see i like that insult a lot better) to even be without 10ft of a copy of the daily mail....

i have been called many things in my time.... but a daily mail reader!!! that one stung!!!!!

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over a year ago

"Pictured with Nicola Sturgeon: The organiser of the Glasgow protest which First Minister said was 'nothing to do with the SNP'

THE SNP today moved to suspend Piers Doughty-Brown - a paid-up member of the party - after Monday's shameful scenes at a Scottish Labour rally in Glasgow.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/pictured-nicola-sturgeon-organiser-glasgow-5640372

So yes, SNP thugs after all."

Oh well the majority of Scottish voters vote for thugs

. You need to join the other ill-informed people and keep reading the Mail

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over a year ago

"just another thought .... do they even allow "hippy driving communists" (see i like that insult a lot better) to even be without 10ft of a copy of the daily mail....

i have been called many things in my time.... but a daily mail reader!!! that one stung!!!!!

If the cap fits

. Listen I know you're not one of the morons really. Had good banter with you in the past. We'll have to agree to disagree on here. My initial Daily Mail comment wasn't actually aimed at you. As usual people see what they want to especially if they can throw in a few sarcastic comments

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over a year ago

When did the Daily Mail become the paper of every single person in the country who doesn't vote SNP? Whether they be Labour, Liberal, Tory, Green, TUSC, Communist, Independent....? DMG Media's shareholders must be thrilled.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"They have 15 actually and I don't know of anyone who votes for them"

so you don't vote for them... but a fair amount of people have to under the scottish system FPTP and AV

"Plenty of people who voted no in the referendum still vote SNP. They are the majority in Scotland."

but thats the point.... the majority of people in scotland didn't vote for the snp... 31% did..... which mean 69% didn't and yet they still got an overall majority

at which point do i need to scream "and boom goes the dynamite" to say that the very scenario that is complained about is the same that was use... and yet... i am guessing the uproar was deafening... right????

"Sorry I haven't time or inclination to quote statistics like you lol. I just live up here."

statistics in themselves are wonderful... its the way they are applied to try and fit a narrative they were not designed for is what caused arguements...

or causes people not to answer the question because they can see where its leading... and it doesn't fit with their narrative......

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By *i_garyMan
over a year ago

glasgow

"When did the Daily Mail become the paper of every single person in the country who doesn't vote SNP? Whether they be Labour, Liberal, Tory, Green, TUSC, Communist, Independent....? DMG Media's shareholders must be thrilled."

Apparently almost every paper and news channel is against them and it's all part of a MSM (mainstream media) conspiracy against them.

I know it sounds as though I'm joking but this is actually the claim that a large number of SNP followers make.

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over a year ago

Apparently almost every paper and news channel is against them and it's all part of a MSM (mainstream media) conspiracy against them.

I know it sounds as though I'm joking but this is actually the claim that a large number of SNP followers make.

Ooh I like a good conspiracy. And to be fair that's less far fetched than some of the financial projections they produced in the run up to the referendum

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By *i_garyMan
over a year ago

glasgow

Welcome to Scotland in 2015 - This is a tweet from the guy who wrote Kickass (and various other comics that have been adapted into films)

Mark Millar @mrmarkmillar · 24 hrs 24 hours ago

A thought: When I publicly went from Lab to SNP I got no abuse in 3 yrs. Today I went SNP to Lab & got over 100 abusive tweets in 1 hr.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Pictured with Nicola Sturgeon: The organiser of the Glasgow protest which First Minister said was 'nothing to do with the SNP'

THE SNP today moved to suspend Piers Doughty-Brown - a paid-up member of the party - after Monday's shameful scenes at a Scottish Labour rally in Glasgow.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/pictured-nicola-sturgeon-organiser-glasgow-5640372

So yes, SNP thugs after all."

i think you buried the main headline.....

the SNP let in someone with the first name "piers"!!!!! obviously that had to be an administrative error......

my god they with be letting in "tarquin's" and "farquhar's" next!!!! and where will that lead to!!!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Pictured with Nicola Sturgeon: The organiser of the Glasgow protest which First Minister said was 'nothing to do with the SNP'

THE SNP today moved to suspend Piers Doughty-Brown - a paid-up member of the party - after Monday's shameful scenes at a Scottish Labour rally in Glasgow.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/pictured-nicola-sturgeon-organiser-glasgow-5640372

So yes, SNP thugs after all.

Oh well the majority of Scottish voters vote for thugs

. You need to join the other ill-informed people and keep reading the Mail

It seems no time at all since the majority of German voters voted for thugs. Thugs who approved of silencing opposition, burning books they disapproved of and creating an armed police state.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They have 15 actually and I don't know of anyone who votes for them

so you don't vote for them... but a fair amount of people have to under the scottish system FPTP and AV

Plenty of people who voted no in the referendum still vote SNP. They are the majority in Scotland.

but thats the point.... the majority of people in scotland didn't vote for the snp... 31% did..... which mean 69% didn't and yet they still got an overall majority

Sorry I haven't time or inclination to quote statistics like you lol. I just live up here.

statistics in themselves are wonderful... its the way they are applied to try and fit a narrative they were not designed for is what caused arguements...

or causes people not to answer the question because they can see where its leading... and it doesn't fit with their narrative......

I could quote statistics all day long to fit any narrative I choose. I prefer not to. Some people on here seem to have a lot of time on their hands. I know who I am voting for on Thursday and I know who will still be the majority party in Scotland, where I choose to live. As for newspaper bias. Some people need to get some facts instead of spending all day every day commenting on everything, and failing.

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By *i_garyMan
over a year ago

glasgow

"As for newspaper bias. Some people need to get some facts instead of spending all day every day commenting on everything, and failing. "

Who was that aimed at?

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over a year ago

"Pictured with Nicola Sturgeon: The organiser of the Glasgow protest which First Minister said was 'nothing to do with the SNP'

THE SNP today moved to suspend Piers Doughty-Brown - a paid-up member of the party - after Monday's shameful scenes at a Scottish Labour rally in Glasgow.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/pictured-nicola-sturgeon-organiser-glasgow-5640372

So yes, SNP thugs after all.

Oh well the majority of Scottish voters vote for thugs

. You need to join the other ill-informed people and keep reading the Mail

It seems no time at all since the majority of German voters voted for thugs. Thugs who approved of silencing opposition, burning books they disapproved of and creating an armed police state."

Are you Ian Smarts ghost writer?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"They have 15 actually and I don't know of anyone who votes for them

so you don't vote for them... but a fair amount of people have to under the scottish system FPTP and AV

Plenty of people who voted no in the referendum still vote SNP. They are the majority in Scotland.

but thats the point.... the majority of people in scotland didn't vote for the snp... 31% did..... which mean 69% didn't and yet they still got an overall majority

Sorry I haven't time or inclination to quote statistics like you lol. I just live up here.

statistics in themselves are wonderful... its the way they are applied to try and fit a narrative they were not designed for is what caused arguements...

or causes people not to answer the question because they can see where its leading... and it doesn't fit with their narrative......

Once the ad hominem starts, it's time for you to give up.

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By *wiftieeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow

"4 men with a banner and loud hailer shouting "Red Tories Out"?

Hardly the rise of the Third Reich, and there was no SNP involvement. "

That's what they said in the run-up to the referendum too. But they need to get a grip of the 'mob', they were even on here, in the Scotland forum prior to the referendum.

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over a year ago

"As for newspaper bias. Some people need to get some facts instead of spending all day every day commenting on everything, and failing.

Who was that aimed at?"

Probably me, don't worry

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By *wiftieeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow

"What a load of bullshit it was a few ppl shouting red tories out so does that make them thugs ? "

You must have seen a different news report to the ones I saw!

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over a year ago

"They have 15 actually and I don't know of anyone who votes for them

so you don't vote for them... but a fair amount of people have to under the scottish system FPTP and AV

Plenty of people who voted no in the referendum still vote SNP. They are the majority in Scotland.

but thats the point.... the majority of people in scotland didn't vote for the snp... 31% did..... which mean 69% didn't and yet they still got an overall majority

Sorry I haven't time or inclination to quote statistics like you lol. I just live up here.

statistics in themselves are wonderful... its the way they are applied to try and fit a narrative they were not designed for is what caused arguements...

or causes people not to answer the question because they can see where its leading... and it doesn't fit with their narrative......

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over a year ago

"They have 15 actually and I don't know of anyone who votes for them

so you don't vote for them... but a fair amount of people have to under the scottish system FPTP and AV

Plenty of people who voted no in the referendum still vote SNP. They are the majority in Scotland.

but thats the point.... the majority of people in scotland didn't vote for the snp... 31% did..... which mean 69% didn't and yet they still got an overall majority

Sorry I haven't time or inclination to quote statistics like you lol. I just live up here.

statistics in themselves are wonderful... its the way they are applied to try and fit a narrative they were not designed for is what caused arguements...

or causes people not to answer the question because they can see where its leading... and it doesn't fit with their narrative......

Once the ad hominem starts, it's time for you to give up.

I haven't started lol. I'm happy that the majority of Scottish voters vote for the SNP.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If Scotland ever gets independance please take the north of England with you.

Please, please don't. I don't want to have to move down south

It's alright. Changed my policy to just independant north now lol.

Think _abio has it spot on though about regional assemblies. Westminster gives as much a crap about the north of England as it does Scotland. Ie feck all.

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By *wiftieeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow

Don't believe the spin, don't believe the mc implicit Westminster machine, there is an aim to the stories you're being fed.

its always "blame the folks in westminster for all the woes"..... its almost like people forget that scotlands issues and how money is spent is decided in a little place called holyrood........

it's like its a free pass... you get more money spent per head than the rest of the uk via the barnett formula... and it's still "lets blame westminster!!!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They have 15 actually and I don't know of anyone who votes for them

so you don't vote for them... but a fair amount of people have to under the scottish system FPTP and AV

Plenty of people who voted no in the referendum still vote SNP. They are the majority in Scotland.

but thats the point.... the majority of people in scotland didn't vote for the snp... 31% did..... which mean 69% didn't and yet they still got an overall majority

Sorry I haven't time or inclination to quote statistics like you lol. I just live up here.

statistics in themselves are wonderful... its the way they are applied to try and fit a narrative they were not designed for is what caused arguements...

or causes people not to answer the question because they can see where its leading... and it doesn't fit with their narrative......

Once the ad hominem starts, it's time for you to give up.

I've only ever seen you posting scurrilous accusations about the alleged behaviour of the SNP you are in no position to tell anyone about Ad hominem. You do amuse me though

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I haven't started lol. I'm happy that the majority of Scottish voters vote for the SNP.

oh lordy..... can someone explain that 31% isn't a majority....

and even the 46% they had in the latest poll isn't a majority either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What a load of bullshit it was a few ppl shouting red tories out so does that make them thugs ?

You must have seen a different news report to the ones I saw!

The guys were tools. Accepted. Was it violent as reported? No, was it any more aggressive than Jim at one of the leaders debates? No

Was anyone arrested? No, was anyone injured? No. Did Labour make an official complaint to the police? No. Was it pre planned? Undoubtedly - hence no report to the police. Did the SNP take action on those who were members? YES. Has labour? No Ian Smart still there. Dishing out Nazi bollox over and over but like oor neebor a few posts up there. That in itself is more offensive and likely to cause 'violence' than what went on yesterday.

Anyone want to support the guy in St. Andrews yet?

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"What a load of bullshit it was a few ppl shouting red tories out so does that make them thugs ?

You must have seen a different news report to the ones I saw!

The guys were tools. Accepted. Was it violent as reported? No, was it any more aggressive than Jim at one of the leaders debates? No

Anyone want to support the guy in St. Andrews yet? "

Ian Smart is a solicitor and former President of the Law Society of Scotland.

He's probably 'smart' enough not to do anything illegal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I haven't started lol. I'm happy that the majority of Scottish voters vote for the SNP.

oh lordy..... can someone explain that 31% isn't a majority....

and even the 46% they had in the latest poll isn't a majority either"

Fuck me are you still harping on. That's politics for you. I personally don't care for an explanation from you. I live in Scotland and I'm happy with the majority party up here. Lordy all you like love the clue is in the word majority!!!

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over a year ago

Ian Smart is a solicitor and former President of the Law Society of Scotland.

He's probably 'smart' enough not to do anything illegal."

ah so you can push abuse to the limit as long as it doesn't cross a 'legal' line? Not much of a defence. SNP have taken action again their fannies, will Labour do the same?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Conservative/Labour leaders....posh Etonian educated, born with a silver spoon, only interested in making themselves and their friends richer at our expense.... lying twats.

SNP leader, grew up in a slum in Glasgow (well near Glasgow anyway) and knows what a hard days work is. Who really represents the majority here.

If England, or Scotlands deep south as we like to call it ever gets a party leader like Sturgeon, they would be voted in by a land slide..........discuss

xx"

Nicola grew up in Ayrshire in a house bought under Thatcher's right to buy legislation.

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"What a load of bullshit it was a few ppl shouting red tories out so does that make them thugs ?

You must have seen a different news report to the ones I saw!

There is a 10 min video clearly showing guys shouting red tories out. Where as the BBC reported it as chaos on the streets of Glasgow. No fights no chaos just shouting and music.

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Conservative/Labour leaders....posh Etonian educated, born with a silver spoon, only interested in making themselves and their friends richer at our expense.... lying twats.

SNP leader, grew up in a slum in Glasgow (well near Glasgow anyway) and knows what a hard days work is. Who really represents the majority here.

If England, or Scotlands deep south as we like to call it ever gets a party leader like Sturgeon, they would be voted in by a land slide..........discuss

Nicola grew up in Ayrshire in a house bought under Thatcher's right to buy legislation."

whats her private life got to do with SNP and this UK election ?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Ian Smart is a solicitor and former President of the Law Society of Scotland.

He's probably 'smart' enough not to do anything illegal.

ah so you can push abuse to the limit as long as it doesn't cross a 'legal' line? Not much of a defence. SNP have taken action again their fannies, will Labour do the same? "

I think it's an excellent defence and if the SNP attitude is to be - it doesn't matter about legality, if we don't like it you're fucked - heaven help us all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The SNP is not splitting the country, Westminster did that a long time ago. The UK is London and the rest too serve London.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Conservative/Labour leaders....posh Etonian educated, born with a silver spoon, only interested in making themselves and their friends richer at our expense.... lying twats.

SNP leader, grew up in a slum in Glasgow (well near Glasgow anyway) and knows what a hard days work is. Who really represents the majority here.

If England, or Scotlands deep south as we like to call it ever gets a party leader like Sturgeon, they would be voted in by a land slide..........discuss

Nicola grew up in Ayrshire in a house bought under Thatcher's right to buy legislation."

Is every child held to account for the decision of their parents?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Conservative/Labour leaders....posh Etonian educated, born with a silver spoon, only interested in making themselves and their friends richer at our expense.... lying twats.

SNP leader, grew up in a slum in Glasgow (well near Glasgow anyway) and knows what a hard days work is. Who really represents the majority here.

If England, or Scotlands deep south as we like to call it ever gets a party leader like Sturgeon, they would be voted in by a land slide..........discuss

Nicola grew up in Ayrshire in a house bought under Thatcher's right to buy legislation.

whats her private life got to do with SNP and this UK election ?"

Merely correcting a previous poster's claim re Nicola's background.

BTW. Jim Murphy, Johann Lamont, John Smith, Donald Dewar, Gordon Brown etc didnt come from privileged backgrounds. No silver spoons.

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over a year ago

Ian Smart is a solicitor and former President of the Law Society of Scotland.

He's probably 'smart' enough not to do anything illegal.

ah so you can push abuse to the limit as long as it doesn't cross a 'legal' line? Not much of a defence. SNP have taken action again their fannies, will Labour do the same?

I think it's an excellent defence and if the SNP attitude is to be - it doesn't matter about legality, if we don't like it you're fucked - heaven help us all."

But Onny dear boy, that's not the SNP _iew, or they wouldn't have bothered their collective bahoochies with the two fuds yesterday. Labours Fud is still abusing merrily on line though.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

tit for tat

tat for tit

tit for tat

tat for tit....

was the same in Referendum threads, no different now.

it was them, no it was you, no it was them, no it was you......

offs, ....... some fucking arseholes in all parties being twats and spoiling it for the many who campaign based on true passion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Smells like fascism to me,I won't be voting for them"

Well aren't fascists always socialists/communists?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Ian Smart is a solicitor and former President of the Law Society of Scotland.

He's probably 'smart' enough not to do anything illegal.

ah so you can push abuse to the limit as long as it doesn't cross a 'legal' line? Not much of a defence. SNP have taken action again their fannies, will Labour do the same?

I think it's an excellent defence and if the SNP attitude is to be - it doesn't matter about legality, if we don't like it you're fucked - heaven help us all.

But Onny dear boy, that's not the SNP _iew, or they wouldn't have bothered their collective bahoochies with the two fuds yesterday. Labours Fud is still abusing merrily on line though. "

The SNP spent yesterday denying the fuss had anything to do with them before bowing to the inevitable.

What do you think Smart has done to deserve action be taken? Are you thinking of Ian Davidson?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You for real? Ian Smart is one o the most foul mouthed bellends on Twitter. His posts would fuel hate in other countries. Your Nazi posts are equally as offensive, completely vile - this week of all weeks especially -hence the similarity I draw between you both.

SNP, or any party, won't take action, rightly so, until they have the full facts. They got them, they took action. Labour has seen, known about and still follows and supports Smart - despite Keza saying she'd look into it.

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By *oe bloggs69 OP Man
over a year ago

fife

I say this has turned into a jolly good thread

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"You for real? Ian Smart is one o the most foul mouthed bellends on Twitter. His posts would fuel hate in other countries. Your Nazi posts are equally as offensive, completely vile - this week of all weeks especially -hence the similarity I draw between you both.

As I've said - remember Arthur Donaldson.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So you support calling half of Scotland Nazis then is what you're saying? Proud of that, this week of all weeks?

Donaldson, not going to lie, had never heard of him. Just looked it up there and it smacks of Willie MacRae to me. Obviously M15 would never get up to such high jinks to suppress an individual who speaks up... He was even pre McCormick and Hamilton. Hardly representative of the Party as it stands - or even has done for the past 6 decades.

I'm no great fan of Labour and certainly not the Conservatives. I would never, ever, lower myself to your guttural level of comparing them to the horrors and evil that went on through the war period.

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over a year ago

"Pictured with Nicola Sturgeon: The organiser of the Glasgow protest which First Minister said was 'nothing to do with the SNP'

THE SNP today moved to suspend Piers Doughty-Brown - a paid-up member of the party - after Monday's shameful scenes at a Scottish Labour rally in Glasgow.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/pictured-nicola-sturgeon-organiser-glasgow-5640372

So yes, SNP thugs after all.

Oh well the majority of Scottish voters vote for thugs

. You need to join the other ill-informed people and keep reading the Mail

It seems no time at all since the majority of German voters voted for thugs. Thugs who approved of silencing opposition, burning books they disapproved of and creating an armed police state."

Who are you to belittle the absolute and unforgivable horrors of the past for your petty political arguments.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"They have 15 actually and I don't know of anyone who votes for them

so you don't vote for them... but a fair amount of people have to under the scottish system FPTP and AV

Plenty of people who voted no in the referendum still vote SNP. They are the majority in Scotland.

but thats the point.... the majority of people in scotland didn't vote for the snp... 31% did..... which mean 69% didn't and yet they still got an overall majority

Sorry I haven't time or inclination to quote statistics like you lol. I just live up here.

statistics in themselves are wonderful... its the way they are applied to try and fit a narrative they were not designed for is what caused arguements...

or causes people not to answer the question because they can see where its leading... and it doesn't fit with their narrative......

Once the ad hominem starts, it's time for you to give up.

I haven't started lol. I'm happy that the majority of Scottish voters vote for the SNP.

But they don't. Do the sums. More seats doesn't equal more voters.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Pictured with Nicola Sturgeon: The organiser of the Glasgow protest which First Minister said was 'nothing to do with the SNP'

THE SNP today moved to suspend Piers Doughty-Brown - a paid-up member of the party - after Monday's shameful scenes at a Scottish Labour rally in Glasgow.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/pictured-nicola-sturgeon-organiser-glasgow-5640372

So yes, SNP thugs after all.

Oh well the majority of Scottish voters vote for thugs

. You need to join the other ill-informed people and keep reading the Mail

It seems no time at all since the majority of German voters voted for thugs. Thugs who approved of silencing opposition, burning books they disapproved of and creating an armed police state.

Who are you to belittle the absolute and unforgivable horrors of the past for your petty political arguments.

I don't consider Scotland's future as a petty political thing.

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over a year ago

"They have 15 actually and I don't know of anyone who votes for them

so you don't vote for them... but a fair amount of people have to under the scottish system FPTP and AV

Plenty of people who voted no in the referendum still vote SNP. They are the majority in Scotland.

but thats the point.... the majority of people in scotland didn't vote for the snp... 31% did..... which mean 69% didn't and yet they still got an overall majority

Sorry I haven't time or inclination to quote statistics like you lol. I just live up here.

statistics in themselves are wonderful... its the way they are applied to try and fit a narrative they were not designed for is what caused arguements...

or causes people not to answer the question because they can see where its leading... and it doesn't fit with their narrative......

Once the ad hominem starts, it's time for you to give up.

I haven't started lol. I'm happy that the majority of Scottish voters vote for the SNP.

But they don't. Do the sums. More seats doesn't equal more voters."

Still a majority and in power. Lol.

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By *illi37Woman
over a year ago

glasgow

The SNP are only upholding there victim status....never wrong,shout down any opposition.....and bully, next they will be burning books !.......ooops sorry they had to suspend members already for this........yes a total disgrace ,hang your heads in shame any democrat who votes for this party of divisive ,bitter control freaks.....

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over a year ago

Don't believe the spin, don't believe the mc implicit Westminster machine, there is an aim to the stories you're being fed.

its always "blame the folks in westminster for all the woes"..... its almost like people forget that the scotlands issues and how money is spent is decided in a little place called holyrood........

it's like its a free pass... you get more money spent per head than the rest of the uk via the barnett formula... and it's still "lets blame westminster!!!"

There's a bit more to it than that and all political parties agree. Scotland is a lot more rural than England so public services cost more. "

So you are saying Yorkshire Dales are not rural...no winter services..where it takes 1 - 2 hours for an ambulance to turn up... Wales is then like New York according then to this comment... Sorry doesn't pull - hubby's family is the Clan without Land they had to leave Scotland because of the Scottish rule which bust the country - one big reason for the Union. Rest of his family are Italians, Swiss, Germans and French ..so live in the mountains and have less to support their communities then the average Scottish community receives... Shame England/Wales and North Ireland can not vote "Bye to Scotland" would save many issues and great deal more money....

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over a year ago

"The SNP are only upholding there victim status....never wrong,shout down any opposition.....and bully, next they will be burning books !.......ooops sorry they had to suspend members already for this........yes a total disgrace ,hang your heads in shame any democrat who votes for this party of divisive ,bitter control freaks....."

Lol

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"They have 15 actually and I don't know of anyone who votes for them

so you don't vote for them... but a fair amount of people have to under the scottish system FPTP and AV

Plenty of people who voted no in the referendum still vote SNP. They are the majority in Scotland.

but thats the point.... the majority of people in scotland didn't vote for the snp... 31% did..... which mean 69% didn't and yet they still got an overall majority

Sorry I haven't time or inclination to quote statistics like you lol. I just live up here.

statistics in themselves are wonderful... its the way they are applied to try and fit a narrative they were not designed for is what caused arguements...

or causes people not to answer the question because they can see where its leading... and it doesn't fit with their narrative......

Once the ad hominem starts, it's time for you to give up.

I haven't started lol. I'm happy that the majority of Scottish voters vote for the SNP.

But they don't. Do the sums. More seats doesn't equal more voters.

Still a majority and in power. Lol."

No, NOT a majority of voters as you mistakenly claim.

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over a year ago

"Pictured with Nicola Sturgeon: The organiser of the Glasgow protest which First Minister said was 'nothing to do with the SNP'

THE SNP today moved to suspend Piers Doughty-Brown - a paid-up member of the party - after Monday's shameful scenes at a Scottish Labour rally in Glasgow.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/pictured-nicola-sturgeon-organiser-glasgow-5640372

So yes, SNP thugs after all.

Oh well the majority of Scottish voters vote for thugs

. You need to join the other ill-informed people and keep reading the Mail

It seems no time at all since the majority of German voters voted for thugs. Thugs who approved of silencing opposition, burning books they disapproved of and creating an armed police state.

Who are you to belittle the absolute and unforgivable horrors of the past for your petty political arguments.

I don't consider Scotland's future as a petty political thing."

Onny, you are talking about mass atrocities and horror beyond compare.

You undermined every single word you say regarding the current political process and your _iews by using the Nazis and the holocaust as a comparison.

Your obvious Passion for your party is commendable. Your choice of phrase, comparison and disregard for others is not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't believe the spin, don't believe the mc implicit Westminster machine, there is an aim to the stories you're being fed.

its always "blame the folks in westminster for all the woes"..... its almost like people forget that the scotlands issues and how money is spent is decided in a little place called holyrood........

it's like its a free pass... you get more money spent per head than the rest of the uk via the barnett formula... and it's still "lets blame westminster!!!"

There's a bit more to it than that and all political parties agree. Scotland is a lot more rural than England so public services cost more.

Well funny how all the politicians bent over backwards to keep the union. Tories do nothing for no one. Funny that isn't it!

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By *illi37Woman
over a year ago

glasgow

Oh shit Scotland is heading for a nightmare..........but as the SNP say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Says the SNP!!!!"

Lol it's on camera it was 2/3 at most !!!

What about all those edl twits that came up to interrupt and play havok with the referendum and young kids were getting mixed up in that !!!!!

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By *illi37Woman
over a year ago

glasgow

As i say the SNP....deluded ,open your eyes ,your supporting a bitter ,twisted party.......of course you will refuse to see this,but i work all over the UK and we as a country are being looked at and heads are shaking with disbelief...i am ashamed of the bigots who defend this type of action.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They have 15 actually and I don't know of anyone who votes for them

so you don't vote for them... but a fair amount of people have to under the scottish system FPTP and AV

Plenty of people who voted no in the referendum still vote SNP. They are the majority in Scotland.

but thats the point.... the majority of people in scotland didn't vote for the snp... 31% did..... which mean 69% didn't and yet they still got an overall majority

Sorry I haven't time or inclination to quote statistics like you lol. I just live up here.

statistics in themselves are wonderful... its the way they are applied to try and fit a narrative they were not designed for is what caused arguements...

or causes people not to answer the question because they can see where its leading... and it doesn't fit with their narrative......

Once the ad hominem starts, it's time for you to give up.

I haven't started lol. I'm happy that the majority of Scottish voters vote for the SNP.

But they don't. Do the sums. More seats doesn't equal more voters.

Still a majority and in power. Lol.

No, NOT a majority of voters as you mistakenly claim."

Lol last time I looked they had the biggest proportion of votes

Stick to your Nazi rants. And for all the others bandying words like bitter, divisive and deluded, take a look in the mirror.

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By *illi37Woman
over a year ago

glasgow

Scarletta.....yup sooo predictable..i had a bet with two friends on here this would be your reply......baa baa lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Pictured with Nicola Sturgeon: The organiser of the Glasgow protest which First Minister said was 'nothing to do with the SNP'

THE SNP today moved to suspend Piers Doughty-Brown - a paid-up member of the party - after Monday's shameful scenes at a Scottish Labour rally in Glasgow.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/pictured-nicola-sturgeon-organiser-glasgow-5640372

So yes, SNP thugs after all.

Oh well the majority of Scottish voters vote for thugs

. You need to join the other ill-informed people and keep reading the Mail

It seems no time at all since the majority of German voters voted for thugs. Thugs who approved of silencing opposition, burning books they disapproved of and creating an armed police state.

Who are you to belittle the absolute and unforgivable horrors of the past for your petty political arguments.

I don't consider Scotland's future as a petty political thing.

Onny, you are talking about mass atrocities and horror beyond compare.

You undermined every single word you say regarding the current political process and your _iews by using the Nazis and the holocaust as a comparison.

Your obvious Passion for your party is commendable. Your choice of phrase, comparison and disregard for others is not.

well said

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Don't believe the spin, don't believe the mc implicit Westminster machine, there is an aim to the stories you're being fed.

its always "blame the folks in westminster for all the woes"..... its almost like people forget that the scotlands issues and how money is spent is decided in a little place called holyrood........

it's like its a free pass... you get more money spent per head than the rest of the uk via the barnett formula... and it's still "lets blame westminster!!!"

There's a bit more to it than that and all political parties agree. Scotland is a lot more rural than England so public services cost more.

Well funny how all the politicians bent over backwards to keep the union. Tories do nothing for no one. Funny that isn't it! "

But Scotland better not send Scottish MPs to Westminster - that's just not on!

It's so ironic the media attacks on the potential influence of Scotland when they did everything they could to keep Scotland in the union.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As i say the SNP....deluded ,open your eyes ,your supporting a bitter ,twisted party.......of course you will refuse to see this,but i work all over the UK and we as a country are being looked at and heads are shaking with disbelief...i am ashamed of the bigots who defend this type of action.....

i can assure you im no bigot and will be voting snp,i couldnt care less who shakes their head in disbelief im voting for the party who i think will do best for me my family and scotland

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By *oe bloggs69 OP Man
over a year ago

fife

Fuck it..let's all vote for the monster raving loony party

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By *illi37Woman
over a year ago

glasgow

"I could not care less who shakes there heads".........honestly ?....you consider that an admirable quality, what is it Burns says again ?.

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over a year ago

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By *vent44ukMan
over a year ago

Galashiels

"Smells like fascism to me,I won't be voting for them"

Neither will I. Their behaviour during their Yes campaign was very poor, I know several folk that had their windows smashed for having No stickers on them. Wonder where they thought the money was going to come from to run the country, not from oil for sure. And they called other Scots wanting to vote No traitors, what despicable behaviour. I am proud to be Scottish and British.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fuck it..let's all vote for the monster raving loony party"

I did actually vote for them once, about a hundred years ago as a protest vote lol. Then I voted for the terry Wogan appreciation society the following election.

What could go wrong in a country run by good old Tel?

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Smells like fascism to me,I won't be voting for them

The SNP smashed people's windows?

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By *nJ_NW_cplCouple
over a year ago

wirral

If the SNP are that bothered about not letting the Tory party back in they should be telling all their supporters to vote Labour as the 59 extra seats would give them an over all majority.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"If the SNP are that bothered about not letting the Tory party back in they should be telling all their supporters to vote Labour as the 59 extra seats would give them an over all majority."

But if Labour and SNP join together they have a majority too.

Why would the SNP want to give Labour a majority without them rather than be part of that majority?

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