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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

OK so i will admit im not really into politics, however i found myself watching question time last night.....

As much as i dont really like him i found Cameron really held his own and struck me as the only one that gave me a genuine sense that he wants to help and continue to make this a better country...

Milliband where do i start ? Avoided the questions, showed massive amounts of body language indicating lies and really struggled to hold any kind of real character.

Clegg seemed honest enough but no real strength.

Im swayed with Cameron as he seems to at least want to do the right thing by the UK. As i said though im not really into politics so i could be missing loads lol but based on what i saw last night thats how i feel.

Anyone else watch it and whats your _iews ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just want milliband to say

"I wish brother David was here, he could tell you knowledge propper good"

One day, one day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's a couple of discussions about this already. They also have lots of "I'm not really a Tory. .. but my gosh that Cameron chap might be worth voting for..." comments.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I just want milliband to say

"I wish brother David was here, he could tell you knowledge propper good"

One day, one day "

Ha ha lol, you see the thing for me with Milliband is his constant pinched hand, that is a huge sign of a liar or someone who isnt telling the whole truth !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought they all lack substance...make sweeping statements...never engage in factual debate.

I'm interested in the nitty gritty ...politics is soundbites and voting is tribal much of the time

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I thought they all lack substance...make sweeping statements...never engage in factual debate.

I'm interested in the nitty gritty ...politics is soundbites and voting is tribal much of the time "

Yeh agree, although i did chuckle when milliband nearly tripped when leaving the stage lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I just want milliband to say

"I wish brother David was here, he could tell you knowledge propper good"

One day, one day

Ha ha lol, you see the thing for me with Milliband is his constant pinched hand, that is a huge sign of a liar or someone who isnt telling the whole truth !!"

See your point, the political equivalent of crossing your fingers behind your back,

He is a bit spineless,

Plus the labour canvasser that came round here was 20, 20 I didn't getting involved in a debate about how the rad referendum

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I thought I knew who to vote for but it might be a pin the tail on the voting card. I was brought up in a Tory household I do think that Cameron is trying to get us out the mess that I dare say labour left us in, however I maybe wrong politics is not my strong point.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I thought I knew who to vote for but it might be a pin the tail on the voting card. I was brought up in a Tory household I do think that Cameron is trying to get us out the mess that I dare say labour left us in, however I maybe wrong politics is not my strong point. "

Yeh i agree, most of my good friends are tory, and i do believe cameron is the only one that is staying the course and being consistent

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's like there's a stigma to admit a Tory tendency.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

It's like there's a stigma to admit a Tory tendency."

yes I agree. It's like the others try to bully you don't they into thinking their message is right when lifes lessons tell you they are not. However on May 6th you get the chance to have your voice.

It's not a perfect system by any means but there are billions of people around the world that would give their right arm for what we have here because they are bullied into doing things they don't want.

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham

To vote for any of those three is choosing best of a bad bunch , luckily that's not how we vote

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By *eithoWoman
over a year ago

Chatham

Cameron is a good orator for sure and far more charismatic than Milliband, but that's what Eton does; trains future politicians and leaders in convincing rhetoric.

The problem for David Cameron is his track record thus far. He wants to make it better for wealthy people and he has demonstrated his contempt for anyone less fortunate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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By *ike4362ukMan
over a year ago

Cheshunt

My vote is already posted. I can relax until next thursday morning and see what's happened!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Cameron's just a spinning spiv, all bluster and talk and a lot of it not trustworthy. Watched him and mainly noticed that he's avoiding telling the vast majority of us how the next parliament will directly affect us. He refuses to give details of the £billions of cuts that will be made. Is it fair to not tell us, whilst expecting our vote? Absolutely not! Since the recession, the very wealthiest have more than doubled their wealth - 'Richest 1,000 families rising by more than 112% since 2009' http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/apr/26/recession-rich-britains-wealthiest-double-net-worth-since-crisis

Now, if the majority of us stand to lose tons of money, due to cutbacks, presumably whilst the wealthiest will continue to get much richer, it's absolutely vital that we're told exactly what's planned. If there isn't a plan, they're not credible. If they won't tell us their plan, they're taking us for fools.

Turkeys wouldn't vote for Christmas. Will you vote for your own equivalent, helping keep in a spin merchant who's not seemingly in any way trustworthy and a party that's not had a majority for decades, for very good reason?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thank goodness with less than a week to go people are seeing sense . Anything other than a tory win will signal disaster ahead .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was undecided and pretty much still am but after watching question time last night I definitely swayed towards the torys.. can't imagine any of them being pm apart from Cameron

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cameron's just a spinning spiv, all bluster and talk and a lot of it not trustworthy. Watched him and mainly noticed that he's avoiding telling the vast majority of us how the next parliament will directly affect us. He refuses to give details of the £billions of cuts that will be made. Is it fair to not tell us, whilst expecting our vote? Absolutely not! Since the recession, the very wealthiest have more than doubled their wealth - 'Richest 1,000 families rising by more than 112% since 2009' http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/apr/26/recession-rich-britains-wealthiest-double-net-worth-since-crisis

Now, if the majority of us stand to lose tons of money, due to cutbacks, presumably whilst the wealthiest will continue to get much richer, it's absolutely vital that we're told exactly what's planned. If there isn't a plan, they're not credible. If they won't tell us their plan, they're taking us for fools.

Turkeys wouldn't vote for Christmas. Will you vote for your own equivalent, helping keep in a spin merchant who's not seemingly in any way trustworthy and a party that's not had a majority for decades, for very good reason?"

Perfectly put! should have had you on that platform to do the skewering...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cameron's just a spinning spiv, all bluster and talk and a lot of it not trustworthy. Watched him and mainly noticed that he's avoiding telling the vast majority of us how the next parliament will directly affect us. He refuses to give details of the £billions of cuts that will be made. Is it fair to not tell us, whilst expecting our vote? Absolutely not! Since the recession, the very wealthiest have more than doubled their wealth - 'Richest 1,000 families rising by more than 112% since 2009' http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/apr/26/recession-rich-britains-wealthiest-double-net-worth-since-crisis

Now, if the majority of us stand to lose tons of money, due to cutbacks, presumably whilst the wealthiest will continue to get much richer, it's absolutely vital that we're told exactly what's planned. If there isn't a plan, they're not credible. If they won't tell us their plan, they're taking us for fools.

Turkeys wouldn't vote for Christmas. Will you vote for your own equivalent, helping keep in a spin merchant who's not seemingly in any way trustworthy and a party that's not had a majority for decades, for very good reason?"

No, because he's a cunt.

Not very eloquent I know, but succinct

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Even the Tories think Cameron's a cunt.

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By *issmorganWoman
over a year ago

Calderdale innit


"Cameron is a good orator for sure and far more charismatic than Milliband, but that's what Eton does; trains future politicians and leaders in convincing rhetoric.

The problem for David Cameron is his track record thus far. He wants to make it better for wealthy people and he has demonstrated his contempt for anyone less fortunate."

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"Cameron's just a spinning spiv, all bluster and talk and a lot of it not trustworthy. Watched him and mainly noticed that he's avoiding telling the vast majority of us how the next parliament will directly affect us. He refuses to give details of the £billions of cuts that will be made. Is it fair to not tell us, whilst expecting our vote? Absolutely not! Since the recession, the very wealthiest have more than doubled their wealth - 'Richest 1,000 families rising by more than 112% since 2009' http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/apr/26/recession-rich-britains-wealthiest-double-net-worth-since-crisis

Now, if the majority of us stand to lose tons of money, due to cutbacks, presumably whilst the wealthiest will continue to get much richer, it's absolutely vital that we're told exactly what's planned. If there isn't a plan, they're not credible. If they won't tell us their plan, they're taking us for fools.

Turkeys wouldn't vote for Christmas. Will you vote for your own equivalent, helping keep in a spin merchant who's not seemingly in any way trustworthy and a party that's not had a majority for decades, for very good reason?"

You are right in one thing. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas. However, it is sad that your thoughts, or fears are limited to think that you will "lose" tons of money. I think that the conservatives have clearly stated that the next government is is going to maintain its policy of stopping the concept of money for nothing.

Conservatism is about working hard and getting on in life rather than maintaining a socialist mentality of expectancy and dependency on the state.

We have sick, injured and vulnerable people that need look after better than they are at the moment. But maintaining the concept of artificially high standards of living for healthy and able bodied people who are not willing to help themselves is not acceptable.

It should not be the job of the government to look after people who make shit decisions in their life.

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By *atietvsheffTV/TS
over a year ago

Sheffield

Best bit was When the knobhead asking the question about the state of the economy to Clegg pushed back when he didn't believe Clegg on how close the UK was going the same way as Greece , Spain and Portugal. Clegg was right to have a go back and point out how complacent the UK public is and how close we came to bankruptcy, Clegg was spot on we were in the deep

Brown stuff and it was very deep and very scary but the decisions made particularly around quantitive easing worked and we have pulled ourselves out of the bankruptcy cess pit that the previous government had left, QE was slaughtered by the likes of the IMF at first, it was a gamble but osbourne took the decision and it worked , the U.S. Then followed and now the eurozone is doing it, and it's the main reason why our economy is now growing and more people have jobs than before the financial crisis, more jobs means more tax and less reliance on social security and more to repay our debts and quicker, get rid of the deficit, grow the economy, pay down the long term national debt, it's no different from everyday life, if you spend more than you earn you are in debt, keep spending and you end up bankrupt, osbourne brought us back from the brink, we now need to get rid of the overdraft, pay off the mortgage and get some savings in the bank, that plonker who asked the question was living in cloud cuckoo if he did not believe how close we were to turning the lights off and handing the keys back to the people we owed money to around the world, If we return to "spend someonebelies money now and lay back later" we have not learnt our lessons, I don't want that legacy to end up on my sons shoulders later in life

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"Best bit was When the knobhead asking the question about the state of the economy to Clegg pushed back when he didn't believe Clegg on how close the UK was going the same way as Greece , Spain and Portugal. Clegg was right to have a go back and point out how complacent the UK public is and how close we came to bankruptcy, Clegg was spot on we were in the deep

Brown stuff and it was very deep and very scary but the decisions made particularly around quantitive easing worked and we have pulled ourselves out of the bankruptcy cess pit that the previous government had left, QE was slaughtered by the likes of the IMF at first, it was a gamble but osbourne took the decision and it worked , the U.S. Then followed and now the eurozone is doing it, and it's the main reason why our economy is now growing and more people have jobs than before the financial crisis, more jobs means more tax and less reliance on social security and more to repay our debts and quicker, get rid of the deficit, grow the economy, pay down the long term national debt, it's no different from everyday life, if you spend more than you earn you are in debt, keep spending and you end up bankrupt, osbourne brought us back from the brink, we now need to get rid of the overdraft, pay off the mortgage and get some savings in the bank, that plonker who asked the question was living in cloud cuckoo if he did not believe how close we were to turning the lights off and handing the keys back to the people we owed money to around the world, If we return to "spend someonebelies money now and lay back later" we have not learnt our lessons, I don't want that legacy to end up on my sons shoulders later in life "

Quite right.

Very soon however, someone will be along regurgitating nonsense that they read in the Guardian to prove you are wrong.

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By *hattyman80Man
over a year ago

stockport

I was brought up in a labour household and still am strong labour. I'm a worker in the public sector and due to the austerity cuts in effect I've taken a pay cut every year for the last 5 years. I understand cuts need to be made but to purely punish the people least able to afford the cuts when the super rich can swan around and use the loop holes left open by the Tories when labour tried to close them twice in the last 5 years is ridiculous. When you are being charged for having too many bedrooms and if you say you can't pay they move you out of a home you could have had for 20 years is ridiculous. Selling off parts of the NHS to private companies is ridiculous. Cutting police forces and shutting police stations is ridiculous. Yet to the Tories this makes sense. Willing to work with UKIP In a coalition is ridiculous yet Toriws have said they would consider it. If Labour win there will still be tough times ahead but I think they'll ease it a little and it will give people some breathing space. We aren't voting for the leader of the party because sometimes personality can sway you. You have to vote for the manifesto and what you believe is best for you. Read the manifestos and make a decision don't just jump on board with whosever personality you like best. If you were on a jury you wouldn't let a killer walk free because he was charming you base it on facts and evidence. Treat the election like a murder trial haha.

Sorry this was so long I meant to stop ages ago

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

Missed the first 10 minutes.

Cameron looked to sweat a lot.

Miliband - he looked a political punch bag. If he can get his arse handed to him like that off the public, I do not know how he intends to be able to make / handle macro socio-economic decisions. Not least negotiate with world leaders when he answers with complete rhetoric. Blair introduced transparency, yet he IS NOT GIVING ONE SINGLE DEADLINE. I do not know how someone can be voted into office in this way and be held totally unaccountable - prior to being voted in!. Fucking amazing.

Clegg - I thought he was great personally. Upright and forthright. when asked about the Danny Alexander comment he took no punches whatsoever and moved on.

To me there were 2 leaders on the stage and one attempt a performer - that was Miliband. Miliband looked like he had been coached, but under pressure he looked cock-eyed. He was obviously using postures and gestures, something that would lead an audience and voters, but as a politician - he was lacking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

they are just white collared gangsters that make the five familys in new York look like alter boys

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I totally get the austerity measures are a necessity and that those on the public sector seem to get the brunt of it . But blaming the few rich that find loopholes is not the answer .

Nor is the continued spending money we haven't got .

Greece got into the trouble they were in by farcical pensions paid out to public sector workers way too early and often too much . We are doing the same .

Why should a policeman , fireman , or any other public sector worker get a pension 10 years before a non public sector worker ?

If we just get a spend , spend government in , we will go the same way . There are other options than to just tax the rich to the max . If we lose the rich we will inevitably capitulate anyway .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know exactly who I'm voting for but not disclosing it here at risk of alienating potential shagging partners who may he of a different political persuasion as me - look at all the animosity the Scottish Independence threads caused!

That debate is for other forums altogether for me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Chattyman80 was the best reply in here, he is someone who is directly affected by what has been happening since the tories cane to power. Personally I believe everyone should vote for who they believe is best for the country as a whole for everyone! But the problem is most of you are talking about who performed better on TV! It shouldn't be about that, it should be about policies. We should all look at each parties manifestos and vote on who we feel would be best for the country as a whole. But the problem with the most of the British public we are dictated to by papers and TV.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I missed it, but judging by comments on Facebook and a feature on 'This Week' (a program I always try to remember to watch, it would seem that our Prime Minister was the clear winner last night.

I did see some clips and I think Ed Milliband's biggest mistake was his complete lack of accountability. He still can not admit or accept Labour's poor handling of the economy and I'm afraid that the comment that was made by one member of the audience about 'that note' was bang on and seemed to knock the Labour leader for six.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


" .....look at all the animosity the Scottish Independence threads caused!

"

And are still. In real life too. It's created more family division than dyke jumping marriages.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not my work:

I would just like to clarify some factual misrepresentations made by David Cameron during the special leaders' BBC Question Time.

1) The welfare bill is not large because of "people leaving home at 18 to claim benefits". 47% of the welfare bill is spent on state pensions. Only 3% is spent on Jobseekers' Allowance. There are, in fact, two areas of growing spending: housing benefit, and working tax credits.

To resolve working tax credits, a higher minimum wage is required. This is because, at the moment, these benefits fill in the gap between exploitative low wages and effective pay, simply to save employers money.

To resolve housing benefit, building more social housing is required. This is because, due to the lack of social housing, the government must instead pay rent directly to private landlords. Private landlords currently pocket around 40% of housing benefit. For example, a Tory MP, Richard Benyon, receives more than £625,000 a year from housing benefit alone.

This is how you truly tackle the welfare bill, and help the economy and British people at the same time. Not by scapegoating an underclass, demonising the poor, and using isolated incidents as justification for entirely unfair and inefficient regimes.

2) It is embarrassing to pretend to care about the NHS by utilising personal experiences, whilst having witnessed a top-down reorganisation which cost the jobs of more than 5,000 nurses, shutting down of A&Es, and the severe slashing of social care.

3) To purport that this has been "difficult for everyone" is an outright lie. The 1,000 wealthiest in Britain have seen their wealth double over the past five years. Meanwhile, everyone else has witnessed the biggest decline in real wages since records began. Also, 1 million visited food banks within the past year.

Furthermore, the rich have received massive income and corporate tax cuts during this government, whilst everyone else faced a disproportionate impact under the raise in taxation of goods and services (VAT). This has resulted in a disgustingly regressive tax regime whereby the poorest 10% of households pay more of their income in tax than anyone else. The poorest are literally paying more than the rich in tax.

A regressive tax regime of this kind is a violation of the International Covenant on Economic, Social, and Cultural Rights Article 2. In essence, a breach of human rights law.

4) "2 million new jobs" is a vague and misleading phrase. It neither connotes the reality that many of these jobs are temporary, nor that they are usually underpaid. Also, due to huge public sector cuts, many of those previously well-employed, will now be settling for far less security in their employment.

5) Repeatedly asserting that we now have "a strong economy" whilst slandering previous Labour spending, is politically dishonest and economically questionable.

Economists have described this as Britain's slowest economic growth in history. In fact, even that growth has halved during the first quarter of 2015. This means that the slowest economic growth in history, just got slower. This is no surprise given the severe cuts, lack of disposable income, and repression in wages. If you deprive the economy of all stimulus except for the richest 1%, the illusory figures represented will undoubtedly crumble too.

Furthermore, the Conservatives had planned to match Labour's spending pound for pound until 2008. At one point, they promised to spend more. Hence, retrospectively implicating Labour's spending plans whilst ignoring the very same _iew taken by your own party, is no presentation of a better alternative at all.

6) To imply you want a "more accountable government" after curtailing judicial re_iew, cutting legal aid in areas of public law, and levying court fees to prevent access to justice, is laughable at the least. And a display of sad indifference and deliberate dishonesty at best.

- Rabah Jtl

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By *hattyman80Man
over a year ago

stockport


"I totally get the austerity measures are a necessity and that those on the public sector seem to get the brunt of it . But blaming the few rich that find loopholes is not the answer .

Nor is the continued spending money we haven't got .

Greece got into the trouble they were in by farcical pensions paid out to public sector workers way too early and often too much . We are doing the same .

Why should a policeman , fireman , or any other public sector worker get a pension 10 years before a non public sector worker ?

If we just get a spend , spend government in , we will go the same way . There are other options than to just tax the rich to the max . If we lose the rich we will inevitably capitulate anyway . "

Firemen and police have that option as they risk their lives to save people and keep the nation safe. They are rewarded for their courage and sacrifices they make. I myself don't have an amazing pension. In fact my pension barely would make national average and I've been paying into it since I was 18. It's a fallacy to believe all public sector workers have good pensions that will allow them to live comfortably when they retire. My pension would not allow me to retire at 55. I will need to work until I'm 65. I work hard and im paid for my work (fairly or unfairly) and I have taken a hit financially even though the Tories said it would be a two year pay freeze in fact it was a 4 year pay freeze and when they said I could have a pay rise finally I was rewarded for my commitment and hard work with a 0.5% pay rise. Cost of living rises a hell of a lot more than that a year let me tell you.

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By *hattyman80Man
over a year ago

stockport


"Not my work:

I would just like to clarify some factual misrepresentations made by David Cameron during the special leaders' BBC Question Time.

1) The welfare bill is not large because of "people leaving home at 18 to claim benefits". 47% of the welfare bill is spent on state pensions. Only 3% is spent on Jobseekers' Allowance. There are, in fact, two areas of growing spending: housing benefit, and working tax credits.

To resolve working tax credits, a higher minimum wage is required. This is because, at the moment, these benefits fill in the gap between exploitative low wages and effective pay, simply to save employers money.

To resolve housing benefit, building more social housing is required. This is because, due to the lack of social housing, the government must instead pay rent directly to private landlords. Private landlords currently pocket around 40% of housing benefit. For example, a Tory MP, Richard Benyon, receives more than £625,000 a year from housing benefit alone.

This is how you truly tackle the welfare bill, and help the economy and British people at the same time. Not by scapegoating an underclass, demonising the poor, and using isolated incidents as justification for entirely unfair and inefficient regimes.

2) It is embarrassing to pretend to care about the NHS by utilising personal experiences, whilst having witnessed a top-down reorganisation which cost the jobs of more than 5,000 nurses, shutting down of A&Es, and the severe slashing of social care.

3) To purport that this has been "difficult for everyone" is an outright lie. The 1,000 wealthiest in Britain have seen their wealth double over the past five years. Meanwhile, everyone else has witnessed the biggest decline in real wages since records began. Also, 1 million visited food banks within the past year.

Furthermore, the rich have received massive income and corporate tax cuts during this government, whilst everyone else faced a disproportionate impact under the raise in taxation of goods and services (VAT). This has resulted in a disgustingly regressive tax regime whereby the poorest 10% of households pay more of their income in tax than anyone else. The poorest are literally paying more than the rich in tax.

A regressive tax regime of this kind is a violation of the International Covenant on Economic, Social, and Cultural Rights Article 2. In essence, a breach of human rights law.

4) "2 million new jobs" is a vague and misleading phrase. It neither connotes the reality that many of these jobs are temporary, nor that they are usually underpaid. Also, due to huge public sector cuts, many of those previously well-employed, will now be settling for far less security in their employment.

5) Repeatedly asserting that we now have "a strong economy" whilst slandering previous Labour spending, is politically dishonest and economically questionable.

Economists have described this as Britain's slowest economic growth in history. In fact, even that growth has halved during the first quarter of 2015. This means that the slowest economic growth in history, just got slower. This is no surprise given the severe cuts, lack of disposable income, and repression in wages. If you deprive the economy of all stimulus except for the richest 1%, the illusory figures represented will undoubtedly crumble too.

Furthermore, the Conservatives had planned to match Labour's spending pound for pound until 2008. At one point, they promised to spend more. Hence, retrospectively implicating Labour's spending plans whilst ignoring the very same _iew taken by your own party, is no presentation of a better alternative at all.

6) To imply you want a "more accountable government" after curtailing judicial re_iew, cutting legal aid in areas of public law, and levying court fees to prevent access to justice, is laughable at the least. And a display of sad indifference and deliberate dishonesty at best.

- Rabah Jtl"

I read this and I couldn't have said it better myself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I thought I knew who to vote for but it might be a pin the tail on the voting card. I was brought up in a Tory household I do think that Cameron is trying to get us out the mess that I dare say labour left us in, however I maybe wrong politics is not my strong point. "

Someone else who has fallen for the Tory propaganda. How are Labour responsible for the crash of the American sub-prime mortgage market?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

cams the best of a bad bunch. but i dont see leadership material in any of the current heads of the parties

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They should ban anyone saying -

Look (before they talk about anything)

Difficult decisions. - its cuts

They should also ban avoiding questions and should be charged with contempt for telling lies.

Anyway Farage was still the best last night even if the wallies are still trying to say he is racist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I thought I knew who to vote for but it might be a pin the tail on the voting card. I was brought up in a Tory household I do think that Cameron is trying to get us out the mess that I dare say labour left us in, however I maybe wrong politics is not my strong point.

Someone else who has fallen for the Tory propaganda. How are Labour responsible for the crash of the American sub-prime mortgage market? "

Hmmm...good question. Labours response, which possibly received cross-party consensus was to bail the banks out.... That may have had an impact.

From what I know, hasn't our national debt increased under the Tories... Seems like they've cut the deficit by borrowing more? Odd.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" I read this and I couldn't have said it better myself. "

I didnt say it either, but yeah they made some good points.

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I notice OP used the vague statement of Camoron 'doing the right thing', wonder what that means exactly? It's just a vague sentence that implies behaving properly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I thought I knew who to vote for but it might be a pin the tail on the voting card. I was brought up in a Tory household I do think that Cameron is trying to get us out the mess that I dare say labour left us in, however I maybe wrong politics is not my strong point.

Someone else who has fallen for the Tory propaganda. How are Labour responsible for the crash of the American sub-prime mortgage market?

Hmmm...good question. Labours response, which possibly received cross-party consensus was to bail the banks out.... That may have had an impact.

From what I know, hasn't our national debt increased under the Tories... Seems like they've cut the deficit by borrowing more? Odd."

The overall debt has increased while the deficit has been reduced. Until the deficit is zero or a budgetary surplus is achieved, the debt will continue to increase.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They should ban anyone saying -

Look (before they talk about anything)

Difficult decisions. - its cuts

They should also ban avoiding questions and should be charged with contempt for telling lies.

Anyway Farage was still the best last night even if the wallies are still trying to say he is racist."

I would vote for anyone if they were going to ban "Look..."; it drives me mad.

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By *lorious hole bs16Man
over a year ago

Bristol

Vote the'posh boy' in again and we will have more people in poverty,food banks etc.whilst the toffs get wealthier..fuck all changes.It is a disgrace that a rich country like ours has people on the streets with nowhere to live..

Am i the sole 'red ed'fan on here?

Thank goodness we have the guardian& mirror supporting the labour party..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They should ban anyone saying -

Look (before they talk about anything)

Difficult decisions. - its cuts

They should also ban avoiding questions and should be charged with contempt for telling lies.

Anyway Farage was still the best last night even if the wallies are still trying to say he is racist.

I would vote for anyone if they were going to ban "Look..."; it drives me mad."

Blame Tony Blair for that

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By *hattyman80Man
over a year ago

stockport

Well if Tories win we'll probably end up with Farage as deputy prime minister. As Tories won't win a majority. So make sure you get your sexy bottoms up and vote on the 7th. Last thing we need is Farage having a say in anything that affects the country.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"Well if Tories win we'll probably end up with Farage as deputy prime minister. As Tories won't win a majority. So make sure you get your sexy bottoms up and vote on the 7th. Last thing we need is Farage having a say in anything that affects the country. "

That is highly unlikely. UKIP won't get enough seats to have any meaningful effect on anything. Farage himself may not even get elected. UKIP mania is fading away.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Well if Tories win we'll probably end up with Farage as deputy prime minister. As Tories won't win a majority. So make sure you get your sexy bottoms up and vote on the 7th. Last thing we need is Farage having a say in anything that affects the country.

That is highly unlikely. UKIP won't get enough seats to have any meaningful effect on anything. Farage himself may not even get elected. UKIP mania is fading away."

I really hope you're right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well if Tories win we'll probably end up with Farage as deputy prime minister. As Tories won't win a majority. So make sure you get your sexy bottoms up and vote on the 7th. Last thing we need is Farage having a say in anything that affects the country. "

Yep , lets keep ploughing millions of pounds into Europe.

Lets keep Brussels making our rules

lets keep open door policies

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"Well if Tories win we'll probably end up with Farage as deputy prime minister. As Tories won't win a majority. So make sure you get your sexy bottoms up and vote on the 7th. Last thing we need is Farage having a say in anything that affects the country.

Yep , lets keep ploughing millions of pounds into Europe.

Lets keep Brussels making our rules

lets keep open door policies "

By voting UKIP you are going to ensure that these things happen. Vote conservative and at least you will have a say in the matter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Vote the'posh boy' in again and we will have more people in poverty,food banks etc.whilst the toffs get wealthier..fuck all changes.It is a disgrace that a rich country like ours has people on the streets with nowhere to live..

Am i the sole 'red ed'fan on here?

Thank goodness we have the guardian& mirror supporting the labour party.."

Even the Guardian thought Ed was poor last night

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By *hattyman80Man
over a year ago

stockport


"Well if Tories win we'll probably end up with Farage as deputy prime minister. As Tories won't win a majority. So make sure you get your sexy bottoms up and vote on the 7th. Last thing we need is Farage having a say in anything that affects the country.

Yep , lets keep ploughing millions of pounds into Europe.

Lets keep Brussels making our rules

lets keep open door policies "

Millions that's goes into Europe comes back to us in a loud and different ways. Brussels don't make the rules another fallacy which UKIP perpetuate to scare people and he open door policy is widely not as scary as UKIP would have you believe. In fact without it the economy would take a hit like never before. We couldn't sustain the country without the open door policy.

Hopefully the polls I've seen are correct and UKIP come away with the 1 seat and then they can fade away and come up with another way to combine BNP and UKIP and we'll watch them fail too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not being raciest or anything as I am British born indian. But I have to say why should I pay tax when some foreign national gets a house. Benefits. And never works but sends money to his country of origin. Dont it make you think time to control the borders and access control in to britain. In the old days people emigrated to Britain to work. Not all are the same but some people just make sick. Lost faith in politics

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well if Tories win we'll probably end up with Farage as deputy prime minister. As Tories won't win a majority. So make sure you get your sexy bottoms up and vote on the 7th. Last thing we need is Farage having a say in anything that affects the country.

Yep , lets keep ploughing millions of pounds into Europe.

Lets keep Brussels making our rules

lets keep open door policies

Millions that's goes into Europe comes back to us in a loud and different ways. Brussels don't make the rules another fallacy which UKIP perpetuate to scare people and he open door policy is widely not as scary as UKIP would have you believe. In fact without it the economy would take a hit like never before. We couldn't sustain the country without the open door policy.

Hopefully the polls I've seen are correct and UKIP come away with the 1 seat and then they can fade away and come up with another way to combine BNP and UKIP and we'll watch them fail too "

HA HA HA HA Throw in the race card, your only hope.

we were GREAT BRITAIN years ago, funny how things have changed since Labours open door policy was brought in.

Million DONT come back to us and they do make our rules. if not what is `Dave ` trying to re-negotiate then?

we can make trade deals with any EU country like we have with the US, India and China without having to pay the middle man.

But you keep playing the race card mate.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Vote Conservative or ukip and fuck jobs and the economy. Referendum or EU exit will be lethal. Business investment withdrawn here, placed elsewhere in Europe and uncertainty prior to referendum will plunge us into chaos. Anyone's income dependent on Europe?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When would you say we were 'GREAT Britain'?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fcuk politics lets fcuk its friday.

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By *hattyman80Man
over a year ago

stockport


"Well if Tories win we'll probably end up with Farage as deputy prime minister. As Tories won't win a majority. So make sure you get your sexy bottoms up and vote on the 7th. Last thing we need is Farage having a say in anything that affects the country.

Yep , lets keep ploughing millions of pounds into Europe.

Lets keep Brussels making our rules

lets keep open door policies

Millions that's goes into Europe comes back to us in a loud and different ways. Brussels don't make the rules another fallacy which UKIP perpetuate to scare people and he open door policy is widely not as scary as UKIP would have you believe. In fact without it the economy would take a hit like never before. We couldn't sustain the country without the open door policy.

Hopefully the polls I've seen are correct and UKIP come away with the 1 seat and then they can fade away and come up with another way to combine BNP and UKIP and we'll watch them fail too

HA HA HA HA Throw in the race card, your only hope.

we were GREAT BRITAIN years ago, funny how things have changed since Labours open door policy was brought in.

Million DONT come back to us and they do make our rules. if not what is `Dave ` trying to re-negotiate then?

we can make trade deals with any EU country like we have with the US, India and China without having to pay the middle man.

But you keep playing the race card mate."

You obviously have no idea how the trade deals work within the EU or with other countries. They are a balancing act all reliant on other deals and belonging to different partnerships. Walking away from the EU would effectively sever all ties with the EU and force the UK to try and barter for trade agreements less rewarding than what is in place already.

The EU ensures things like energy companies are held accountable, the trans-European networks have made cost of goods cheaper, being part of the EU means businesses don't have tariffs or quotas on exporting goods within the EU. How many companies would fold if these suddenly went away. How would that help the economy?

And as for the race card it's a fact that UKIP is xenophobic as a party. There is a difference between xenophobia and racism maybe you should look that up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

what a load of bollocks

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By *hattyman80Man
over a year ago

stockport


"what a load of bollocks"

Now that sounds just like what if expect from a Kipper. Right out of Farages handbook of how to explain his parties position

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who gives a flying fuck about the three stooges?

There was one man who spoke with conviction last night and that was Nigel Farage.

#VoteUKIP.

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By *hattyman80Man
over a year ago

stockport


"Who gives a flying fuck about the three stooges?

There was one man who spoke with conviction last night and that was Nigel Farage.

#VoteUKIP."

I would rather poop in my hands and clap than vote for UKIP.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

Conservative

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*Shits in your hands*.

There ya go, Mr Europhile. Enjoy

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

Personally, anyone who addresses an audience with their hand in their pocket, with 1 week to go at a General Election and standing for PM; is not taking it the least bit seriously, Mr Miliband.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Personally, anyone who addresses an audience with their hand in their pocket, with 1 week to go at a General Election and standing for PM; is not taking it the least bit seriously, Mr Miliband. "

I'd rather Ed had his hand in his own pocket than Cameron have his hand in mine.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"Personally, anyone who addresses an audience with their hand in their pocket, with 1 week to go at a General Election and standing for PM; is not taking it the least bit seriously, Mr Miliband.

I'd rather Ed had his hand in his own pocket than Cameron have his hand in mine."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cameron is a good orator for sure and far more charismatic than Milliband, but that's what Eton does; trains future politicians and leaders in convincing rhetoric.

The problem for David Cameron is his track record thus far. He wants to make it better for wealthy people and he has demonstrated his contempt for anyone less fortunate."

I'd disagree! I'm far from wealthy! I'm a single working mum! And with tax credits, and the fact that I can actually keep the maintainance intended to support my children rather than handing it to the government as I did under labour - my children and I live a half decent life! Like most of the business world, I'll be gutted if labour win this time! X

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

The uk government goes in roughly ten year cycles, tories haven't had their ten years yet, then it will be labors turn....same shit, different decades, why do we even bother debating it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cameron is a good orator for sure and far more charismatic than Milliband, but that's what Eton does; trains future politicians and leaders in convincing rhetoric.

The problem for David Cameron is his track record thus far. He wants to make it better for wealthy people and he has demonstrated his contempt for anyone less fortunate.

I'd disagree! I'm far from wealthy! I'm a single working mum! And with tax credits, and the fact that I can actually keep the maintainance intended to support my children rather than handing it to the government as I did under labour - my children and I live a half decent life! Like most of the business world, I'll be gutted if labour win this time! X"

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

have to admit in the last 4 weeks i have gone from green to labour to lib dem, back to green... back to labour... and at this point i have no clue who i am voting for next thursday....

i probably wont decide till i am in that little booth....

the frustrating thing for me... as much as i want to hate nicola sturgeon, and it worries me in the north east how the exrta scottish powers will affect us.... i kinda like her!.......

it was much much easier hating alex salmond!!!! she almost comes across as semi reasonable......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"have to admit in the last 4 weeks i have gone from green to labour to lib dem, back to green... back to labour... and at this point i have no clue who i am voting for next thursday....

i probably wont decide till i am in that little booth....

the frustrating thing for me... as much as i want to hate nicola sturgeon, and it worries me in the north east how the exrta scottish powers will affect us.... i kinda like her!.......

it was much much easier hating alex salmond!!!! she almost comes across as semi reasonable......"

why would you want to hate oor nicola ?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"have to admit in the last 4 weeks i have gone from green to labour to lib dem, back to green... back to labour... and at this point i have no clue who i am voting for next thursday....

i probably wont decide till i am in that little booth....

the frustrating thing for me... as much as i want to hate nicola sturgeon, and it worries me in the north east how the exrta scottish powers will affect us.... i kinda like her!.......

it was much much easier hating alex salmond!!!! she almost comes across as semi reasonable......

why would you want to hate oor nicola ?"

its not really her so much.... i am not a fan of a lot of snp policies... and think they get away with a lot of stuff by blaming all ills on westminster when they basically run everything in holyrood... and salmond was so smarmy... and some of the current snp westminster brigade not help... stewart hosie and angus robertson just really annoy me and rub me up the wrong way (political junkie me!!! lol)

but nicola just almost seems personable...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cameron is a good orator for sure and far more charismatic than Milliband, but that's what Eton does; trains future politicians and leaders in convincing rhetoric.

The problem for David Cameron is his track record thus far. He wants to make it better for wealthy people and he has demonstrated his contempt for anyone less fortunate."

In my life experience wealth is rarely achieved by good fortune. More often by hard work.

If Labour purport as the party for the working man,then the Tories are the party for the hard working man.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"have to admit in the last 4 weeks i have gone from green to labour to lib dem, back to green... back to labour... and at this point i have no clue who i am voting for next thursday....

i probably wont decide till i am in that little booth....

the frustrating thing for me... as much as i want to hate nicola sturgeon, and it worries me in the north east how the exrta scottish powers will affect us.... i kinda like her!.......

it was much much easier hating alex salmond!!!! she almost comes across as semi reasonable......

why would you want to hate oor nicola ?

its not really her so much.... i am not a fan of a lot of snp policies... and think they get away with a lot of stuff by blaming all ills on westminster when they basically run everything in holyrood... and salmond was so smarmy... and some of the current snp westminster brigade not help... stewart hosie and angus robertson just really annoy me and rub me up the wrong way (political junkie me!!! lol)

but nicola just almost seems

personable..."

fair enough but they are the same as all mps and parties just trying to do whats right for the ppl who vote for them

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"I was brought up in a labour household and still am strong labour. I'm a worker in the public sector and due to the austerity cuts in effect I've taken a pay cut every year for the last 5 years. I understand cuts need to be made but to purely punish the people least able to afford the cuts when the super rich can swan around and use the loop holes left open by the Tories when labour tried to close them twice in the last 5 years is ridiculous. When you are being charged for having too many bedrooms and if you say you can't pay they move you out of a home you could have had for 20 years is ridiculous. Selling off parts of the NHS to private companies is ridiculous. Cutting police forces and shutting police stations is ridiculous. Yet to the Tories this makes sense. Willing to work with UKIP In a coalition is ridiculous yet Toriws have said they would consider it. If Labour win there will still be tough times ahead but I think they'll ease it a little and it will give people some breathing space. We aren't voting for the leader of the party because sometimes personality can sway you. You have to vote for the manifesto and what you believe is best for you. Read the manifestos and make a decision don't just jump on board with whosever personality you like best. If you were on a jury you wouldn't let a killer walk free because he was charming you base it on facts and evidence. Treat the election like a murder trial haha.

Sorry this was so long I meant to stop ages ago "

Loopholes like non dom status that, according to Miliband last night, have been around for 200 years? Why didn't labour close those loopholes when they were in?

Labour started privatisation if the NHS with their great PFI project, which we will be paying for generations to come.

The bedroom tax? Brought in by labour for privately rented property only, and extended by the tories to include council/ housing association properties.

Closing police stations? Where I lived in the early 2000's, the two closest police stations were closed, under a labour government.

If you were on a jury you wouldn't let a killer walk free because he was charming you? Labour, under Blair, took the country into war under false pretences.

And now Blair, hailed as the greatest labour leader ever, us swanning it with his 100 Million plus wealth that he pays hardly any tax on.... now there's socialism for you!

And don't forget it was labour who took away the 10p starting rate of tax in 2007, a full year before the recession hit... doubled basic rate of tax for poorer families...

Also don't forget the expenses scandal... under labour's watch..

I've read all the manifestos, apart from SNP and Plaid Cymru... the three main parties make no sense at all. They're all lies and subterfuge, they can't tell you how they're getting the money in to pay what they're promising... and they know they don't have to keep any promises as they can hide behind the excuse of ' we were tied by having to work in a coalition'... so whoever it is, they'll blame us, the electorate, for putting them in that position.

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over a year ago


"I was brought up in a labour household and still am strong labour. I'm a worker in the public sector and due to the austerity cuts in effect I've taken a pay cut every year for the last 5 years. I understand cuts need to be made but to purely punish the people least able to afford the cuts when the super rich can swan around and use the loop holes left open by the Tories when labour tried to close them twice in the last 5 years is ridiculous. When you are being charged for having too many bedrooms and if you say you can't pay they move you out of a home you could have had for 20 years is ridiculous. Selling off parts of the NHS to private companies is ridiculous. Cutting police forces and shutting police stations is ridiculous. Yet to the Tories this makes sense. Willing to work with UKIP In a coalition is ridiculous yet Toriws have said they would consider it. If Labour win there will still be tough times ahead but I think they'll ease it a little and it will give people some breathing space. We aren't voting for the leader of the party because sometimes personality can sway you. You have to vote for the manifesto and what you believe is best for you. Read the manifestos and make a decision don't just jump on board with whosever personality you like best. If you were on a jury you wouldn't let a killer walk free because he was charming you base it on facts and evidence. Treat the election like a murder trial haha.

Sorry this was so long I meant to stop ages ago

Loopholes like non dom status that, according to Miliband last night, have been around for 200 years? Why didn't labour close those loopholes when they were in?

Labour started privatisation if the NHS with their great PFI project, which we will be paying for generations to come.

The bedroom tax? Brought in by labour for privately rented property only, and extended by the tories to include council/ housing association properties.

Closing police stations? Where I lived in the early 2000's, the two closest police stations were closed, under a labour government.

If you were on a jury you wouldn't let a killer walk free because he was charming you? Labour, under Blair, took the country into war under false pretences.

And now Blair, hailed as the greatest labour leader ever, us swanning it with his 100 Million plus wealth that he pays hardly any tax on.... now there's socialism for you!

And don't forget it was labour who took away the 10p starting rate of tax in 2007, a full year before the recession hit... doubled basic rate of tax for poorer families...

Also don't forget the expenses scandal... under labour's watch..

I've read all the manifestos, apart from SNP and Plaid Cymru... the three main parties make no sense at all. They're all lies and subterfuge, they can't tell you how they're getting the money in to pay what they're promising... and they know they don't have to keep any promises as they can hide behind the excuse of ' we were tied by having to work in a coalition'... so whoever it is, they'll blame us, the electorate, for putting them in that position.

"

agree 100% labour lost all their socialist principals a long time ago and thats why they are facing a total wipeout in scotland

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