FabSwingers.com forum: Election forecast

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Polls are suggesting that Conservatives will win the most seats but will fall some way short of a majority. So time for a bit of Fab predictions ans let's see if any of us get it right. I'll go first and will be ready to get shot down in flames.

I'm going against the polls, I think Miliband has run a far better campaign than expected, has the momentum and will see Labour end up as the largest party.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The election is Cameron's to lose and he seems hell bent on achieving that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Vote Green!

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Polls are suggesting that Conservatives will win the most seats but will fall some way short of a majority. So time for a bit of Fab predictions ans let's see if any of us get it right. I'll go first and will be ready to get shot down in flames.

I'm going against the polls, I think Miliband has run a far better campaign than expected, has the momentum and will see Labour end up as the largest party.

Regrettably, I think that may be the case or close to it. I also think that whatever happens there will be a loss of confidence in whatever hodge podge gets thrown together within a couple of years. It amazes me that we have got a perfect example of Milliband politics across the channel in France and despite that disaster, people in this country are voting for it here. The French are now wishing Sarkozy was back - and that really says something!

I have a reserve plan if Balls n Balls get any kind of real influence.

What I can't understand is what the Scots know about Labour that people in England seem to be missing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm guessing at some stage this thread will descend into "It doesn't matter who wins the election, Britain isn't what it used to be. I blame Labour, Tories, muslims, migrants, or Opal Fruits being changed to Starburst".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw a 'poll of polls' today that suggests that Labour have slipped to below 30% with the conservatives holding at around 35%

I have also seen that the Ashcroft Poll suggests that tea-boy Cleggy will lose his seat.

I really don't want to see Milliband in No. 10

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

dont realy care who wins but i cant stand the tories and hope they dont poll the most votes.will be a hung parliament though so it'll be a mess whoever polls the most .think the big questions will come after the result and who is going to side with who.clegg has the morals of a snake and will side with anyone i realy hope him and his party are wiped out completely i dislike him more tha camoron and thats some achievement

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Last general election it said Labour was winning in the polls, that's why i knew conservatives would win. Don't know why but always the one who is doing best in the polls tends to lose.

I predict more riots. It's gonna get bad no matter who wins.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

We'll see the Labour Party in power, no doubt. So Tory light.

The only real good that will come out of this election is that it is very likely we are witnessing the end of the Tory party proper. They haven't been able to win an election since 1997, moribund Cameron is getting ready to be torn to pieces by his inferiors...and when his possible replacements are inferior to the worst PM in living memory, you know the party is in a parlous state. It's hard to see how they will ever win any political influence ever again.

So, good riddance to bad rubbish.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

my prediction....

that my charity is going to be 20 quid better off after that bet with one of fab's loudest "kippers" that ukip wouldn't win 7 seats!!!!

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

SEVEN?! Isn't there a law against betting against the insane?

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Last general election it said Labour was winning in the polls, that's why i knew conservatives would win. Don't know why but always the one who is doing best in the polls tends to lose.

I predict more riots. It's gonna get bad no matter who wins."

Bad is what has just happened in Nepal. Bad is what is happening in Iraq, Syria and Libya. Bad is what the Greeks are experiencing.

We have never had it bad here and we never will, no matter who gets into power. The UK is mainstream and middle of the road and it always will be. Ask a Greek person about austerity if you want to know what "bad" is.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"SEVEN?! Isn't there a law against betting against the insane?"

well the 'kipper in hand at the time was talking double digit wins.... I have a shed load of bets with kippers all over the place they wouldn't win 10... but since this was for charity i thought i would give him a chance and i said that ukip wouldn't win 1% of the total seats.....

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Last general election it said Labour was winning in the polls, that's why i knew conservatives would win. Don't know why but always the one who is doing best in the polls tends to lose.

I predict more riots. It's gonna get bad no matter who wins.

Bad is what has just happened in Nepal. Bad is what is happening in Iraq, Syria and Libya. Bad is what the Greeks are experiencing.

Yeah, perhaps you should be out in the streets with a cut out and keep chart showing people at what point they are allowed to be aggrieved by the mess our country is in? You seem to be well placed to make such a judgement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Last general election it said Labour was winning in the polls, that's why i knew conservatives would win. Don't know why but always the one who is doing best in the polls tends to lose.

I predict more riots. It's gonna get bad no matter who wins.

Bad is what has just happened in Nepal. Bad is what is happening in Iraq, Syria and Libya. Bad is what the Greeks are experiencing.

tell that to the tens of thousands queueing up at the local food banks how life in britain is so good

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

Herts

I don't know but I'd honestly consider moving abroad if Labour get back into power.

They'll have us bankrupt within a year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Last general election it said Labour was winning in the polls, that's why i knew conservatives would win. Don't know why but always the one who is doing best in the polls tends to lose.

I predict more riots. It's gonna get bad no matter who wins.

Bad is what has just happened in Nepal. Bad is what is happening in Iraq, Syria and Libya. Bad is what the Greeks are experiencing.

? Pretty sure we have riots here.

Oh and my son was expected to live of NOTHING at all for 18 months, i know all about this governments austerity thansk very much.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"I don't know but I'd honestly consider moving abroad if Labour get back into power.

They'll have us bankrupt within a year."

Better start applying for visas, then! Where will you go?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well I have already voted,so dont give a shit as I wont be here to listen to the excuses as to which idiot is less stupid than the other one.

THEY are all in it together,filling THEIR pockets and that of THEIR supporters.

The only winner will be the one that makes the most friends for when HE retires in 5 years or less.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

Conservative

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

The SNP are now being tipped to take every single seat (59) in scotland that should put the cat among pigeons if that turns out and be unprecedented in political history

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

Every time I see Miliband on TV all I can think of is Harry Enfield's 'Tim Nice But Dim'.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Every time I see Miliband on TV all I can think of is Harry Enfield's 'Tim Nice But Dim'."

Don't be fooled by appearance.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Every time I see Miliband on TV all I can think of is Harry Enfield's 'Tim Nice But Dim'.

Don't be fooled by appearance."

I think the Tories massively underestimated him and it could prove their undoing.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Have actually heard people talking about Nicky Morgan as a possible replacement for Doomed Dave after the election.

There is desperate, and then there is...well, Nicky Morgan. She would last three weeks.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Every time I see Miliband on TV all I can think of is Harry Enfield's 'Tim Nice But Dim'.

Don't be fooled by appearance.

I think the Tories massively underestimated him and it could prove their undoing."

That suggests that there is some other gear they could have switched up into, had they chanced upon epiphany.

Let's be real here, Miliband is an idiot. But there isn't a single member of the Tory party who doesn't dream he is their party leader when they go to bed at night.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Conservative

since i know you had a sensible finger on the scottish polls....

does the new polls today say more about sturgeon since they were projected to win them all in one.. and all but two in the other...

does is say more that ruth davison is doing a good job as scottish tory leader they are only 3% behind labour....

does it mean that jim murphy is doing a bad job as scottish labour leader thats he is only 3 ahead of the tories...

that everyone in scotland is so distrusful of the two big parties this is a big "FU" on the biggest stage possible....

of that there is going to be a shed load of tactical voting to try the snp out.. which is going to mean a lots of scottish tories holding their nose and voting labour or lib dem to limit the rise of sturgeon....

have to say as a side note.... i like the socttish leaders better than their english counterparts...... sturgeon,davison,murphy and patrick harvey of the greens.... its like a much more grown up debate going on north of the border

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The worst that can happen is that slimy cunt Clegg loses his seat.

Brilliant, you and i all shout.

Then the Liberal twats make him a Peer (like his predecessor).

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

indulge me a scenario for a moment... i think a trick has been missed a little...

if the snp had put their "independance" ambitions on hold... and teamed up with plaid and the greens in an alliance and called themselves lets say "the progressive left" in the uk...... I wonder how many seats in westminster they would have won......

I really don't know how i am voting next thursday yet.... but if a sturgeon based "uk progressive left" had been on the ballot down here.... i would have been sorely tempted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"indulge me a scenario for a moment... i think a trick has been missed a little...

I really don't know how i am voting next thursday yet.... but if a sturgeon based "uk progressive left" had been on the ballot down here.... i would have been sorely tempted"

Isn't "progressive left" the ultimate oxymoron.

On someone/everyone else's tab?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"indulge me a scenario for a moment... i think a trick has been missed a little...

I really don't know how i am voting next thursday yet.... but if a sturgeon based "uk progressive left" had been on the ballot down here.... i would have been sorely tempted"

It would have been a landslide victory for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The worst that can happen is that slimy cunt Clegg loses his seat.

Brilliant, you and i all shout.

Then the Liberal twats make him a Peer (like his predecessor). "

i for one dont care what they make him the sooner he loses his seat the better he wont be counting on any student votes this time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't know but I'd honestly consider moving abroad if Labour get back into power.

They'll have us bankrupt within a year."

I agree. The Labour party seem to be hell bent on bankrupting the country,

Every Labour Government has wrecked the economy (and they do a progressively bigger job of it every time) and it's always been the conservatives who clear up the mess they leave behind.

It was a Labour chancellor who devalued the pound in the 60's and Gordon Brown came close to it during his time as Chancellor.

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By *andcCouple
over a year ago

London and Cheshire

Don't like hung parliaments, you just get those with the lease votes, holding power, I would prefer either of the main parties just having power and getting on with the job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Question :

Will it be a record low turnout (because people just don't care anymore) or a highish turnout (chance to get your crank candidate of choice in?)

My own constituency forecast - the same useless cunt we already have.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Question :

Will it be a record low turnout (because people just don't care anymore) or a highish turnout (chance to get your crank candidate of choice in?)

My own constituency forecast - the same useless cunt we already have. "

i think it will be higher than last time just because i think the engagement in scotland post referendum has been maintained...

i think it will be close to 70%....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"indulge me a scenario for a moment... i think a trick has been missed a little...

I really don't know how i am voting next thursday yet.... but if a sturgeon based "uk progressive left" had been on the ballot down here.... i would have been sorely tempted

It would have been a landslide victory for them."

It would certainly have livened things up a fair bit. Although as the UKIP far right story has faded, I suspect a far left alternative across the whole UK would have gone a similar way.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Er...far left? Compared to who? Labour?

Socialist would be a better description.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"indulge me a scenario for a moment... i think a trick has been missed a little...

I really don't know how i am voting next thursday yet.... but if a sturgeon based "uk progressive left" had been on the ballot down here.... i would have been sorely tempted

It would have been a landslide victory for them.

It would certainly have livened things up a fair bit. Although as the UKIP far right story has faded, I suspect a far left alternative across the whole UK would have gone a similar way."

The British seem to be anti-extremist, which can only be a good thing. But it does mean that things get a bit dull on Election Day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hoping that the green party dont get anywhere Have you seen there full manifesto!!,

as to labour conservative and lib dems there all as bad as each other totally clueless,

ive already voted,

just hope other's wake up and make the right choice.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Er...far left? Compared to who? Labour?

Socialist would be a better description."

The Labour manifesto is the most leftwing I have seen since I have been able to vote, and if Ed gets in it will be just the beginning. He is unashamedly Marxist.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

If we have a General Election every 5 years, when do we have a Specific Election?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it just me, or are every party trying to outdo each other in the "bribing the electorate" stakes?

Greens "doubling" child benefit FFS.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Is it just me, or are every party trying to outdo each other in the "bribing the electorate" stakes?

Greens "doubling" child benefit FFS. "

you mean like extending right to buy... even though the world and his aunt has said "bad idea!!!"

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Er...far left? Compared to who? Labour?

Socialist would be a better description.

The Labour manifesto is the most leftwing I have seen since I have been able to vote, and if Ed gets in it will be just the beginning. He is unashamedly Marxist."

Yes, very good.

Seriously though, what do you really think?

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

France has seen unemployment grow year on year, very much in line with the departure of wealth from the country.

It makes a good sounbyte to "tax the rich" but as France has found it. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

I predicted in a previous thread that with a Labour government we would see the first reductions in Treasury tax take by October. By this time next year, there will have been emergency tax rises and within two years a collapse of government in the face of increasing unemployment and deficit. The only reason that it has not happened in France is because they still do have an industrial base that can't up and run away like the mobile wealthy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Haven't a clue who will gain most seats but my prediction is there will be another election within a couple of years, maybe 3 at a stretch.

If Cameron somehow declares himself PM for another 5 years I may move to Scotland.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"France has seen unemployment grow year on year, very much in line with the departure of wealth from the country.

It makes a good sounbyte to "tax the rich" but as France has found it. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

You were also predicting a super soaraway Conservative victory based on their made up independent letter to the Telegraph, so your credibility is not exactly sky high.

Speaking of which, how come you haven't started a good news thread about their '5000' 'signatures' from 'small business' 'owners' yet...get a bit shy on that one, perhaps?

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"France has seen unemployment grow year on year, very much in line with the departure of wealth from the country.

It makes a good sounbyte to "tax the rich" but as France has found it. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

You were also predicting a super soaraway Conservative victory based on their made up independent letter to the Telegraph, so your credibility is not exactly sky high.

Speaking of which, how come you haven't started a good news thread about their '5000' 'signatures' from 'small business' 'owners' yet...get a bit shy on that one, perhaps?

I think that I have consistently stated that I predicted a narrow Labour victory. It is the exact opposite of what I would want but it became clear early on that a negative election campaign was going to damage the Conservatives.

Who knows, we may yet all be saved from having Ed n Ed representing us on the worlds stage. If not, I wonder if Ed M will adopt a drawl when talking to the Americans in the way that he dropped his t's in his chat with Russell Brand in an attempt to fit in.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"my prediction....

that my charity is going to be 20 quid better off after that bet with one of fab's loudest "kippers" that ukip wouldn't win 7 seats!!!!

Anything could happen in this election, is the most unpredictable election for as long as i can remember, anything could happen in just over a weeks time.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Have actually heard people talking about Nicky Morgan as a possible replacement for Doomed Dave after the election.

There is desperate, and then there is...well, Nicky Morgan. She would last three weeks."

When Cameron goes it will be Boris or Teresa May to take over.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"The only reason that it has not happened in France is because they still do have an industrial base that can't up and run away like the mobile wealthy."

The mobile wealthy aint going anywhere. They didn't leave in 1997, and they won't leave now. Because even if Labour get in, they won't have a majority, and so would be hamstrung to deal with the ridiculous situation that major companies can get away without paying tax, whereas we get hounded and jailed if we don't.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"my prediction....

that my charity is going to be 20 quid better off after that bet with one of fab's loudest "kippers" that ukip wouldn't win 7 seats!!!!

Anything could happen in this election, is the most unpredictable election for as long as i can remember, anything could happen in just over a weeks time. "

you want to take me up on the 7 seat bet then??? 20 quid to a charity of the winners chosing....

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Every time I see Miliband on TV all I can think of is Harry Enfield's 'Tim Nice But Dim'."

Funny, when i see him on TV, just makes me think of Wallace and Gromit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't know but I'd honestly consider moving abroad if Labour get back into power.

They'll have us bankrupt within a year."

Good! One less tory

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"my prediction....

that my charity is going to be 20 quid better off after that bet with one of fab's loudest "kippers" that ukip wouldn't win 7 seats!!!!

Anything could happen in this election, is the most unpredictable election for as long as i can remember, anything could happen in just over a weeks time.

you want to take me up on the 7 seat bet then??? 20 quid to a charity of the winners chosing....

Only a fool would bet on anything in this election.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

"indulge me a scenario for a moment... i think a trick has been missed a little...

I really don't know how i am voting next thursday yet.... but if a sturgeon based "uk progressive left" had been on the ballot down here.... i would have been sorely tempted"

Christ, that's a real witches brew.... tyhey would leave us broke, defenceless and the laughing stock of most of the developed world within two years!!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"my prediction....

that my charity is going to be 20 quid better off after that bet with one of fab's loudest "kippers" that ukip wouldn't win 7 seats!!!!

Anything could happen in this election, is the most unpredictable election for as long as i can remember, anything could happen in just over a weeks time.

you want to take me up on the 7 seat bet then??? 20 quid to a charity of the winners chosing....

Only a fool would bet on anything in this election. "

...... and suddenly all the main 'kippers on the site aren't as confident as they were......

so much for the "put your money where your belief is" challenge......

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Er...far left? Compared to who? Labour?

Socialist would be a better description.

The Labour manifesto is the most leftwing I have seen since I have been able to vote, and if Ed gets in it will be just the beginning. He is unashamedly Marxist.

Yes, very good.

Seriously though, what do you really think?"

You seem pretty smart, was there anything that was unclear??

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"my prediction....

that my charity is going to be 20 quid better off after that bet with one of fab's loudest "kippers" that ukip wouldn't win 7 seats!!!!

Anything could happen in this election, is the most unpredictable election for as long as i can remember, anything could happen in just over a weeks time.

you want to take me up on the 7 seat bet then??? 20 quid to a charity of the winners chosing....

Only a fool would bet on anything in this election.

...... and suddenly all the main 'kippers on the site aren't as confident as they were......

so much for the "put your money where your belief is" challenge......

I've never challenged anyone to any bets about this election, just because of the unpredictability of it all, who would have bet before the election campaign that the SNP could win all but 1 seat in the whole of Scotland? (now that is what is being reported could happen). As i said anyones guess really, but i'm quietly confident UKIP will still win a handful of seats, and come 2nd in many others.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

how on earth does this work...

uk edition of the sun tomorrow will endorse and back the conservative party ...citing stopping the SNP as one of the reasons its backing the tories

meanwhile....the scottish edition of the sun tomorrow will endorse and back the SNP

taking out of both sides of their mouths for ciculation issues????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"how on earth does this work...

uk edition of the sun tomorrow will endorse and back the conservative party ...citing stopping the SNP as one of the reasons its backing the tories

meanwhile....the scottish edition of the sun tomorrow will endorse and back the SNP

taking out of both sides of their mouths for ciculation issues????

Couldn't agree more, as someone who works in England now and again, the political difference between the 2 issues is staggering (Mr)

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"how on earth does this work...

uk edition of the sun tomorrow will endorse and back the conservative party ...citing stopping the SNP as one of the reasons its backing the tories

meanwhile....the scottish edition of the sun tomorrow will endorse and back the SNP

taking out of both sides of their mouths for ciculation issues????

Because Murdoch likes to back winners....

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"The election is Cameron's to lose and he seems hell bent on achieving that"

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"how on earth does this work...

uk edition of the sun tomorrow will endorse and back the conservative party ...citing stopping the SNP as one of the reasons its backing the tories

meanwhile....the scottish edition of the sun tomorrow will endorse and back the SNP

taking out of both sides of their mouths for ciculation issues????

Because Murdoch likes to back winners...."

....and telling people not to vote Labour in England and Scotland.

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By *icolehertsCouple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes

"Vote Green!"

Would prefer to vote for the Hitler/Mussolini Not Very Democratic Party !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Voting labour to win

Its election special on bbc1 now

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I think the Conservatives will win by a tiny margin and decide to brazen it out on their own, making deals on each vote with the DUP, Lib Dems and UKIP. The first deal will be on the Queen's Speech.

Meanwhile, Andrew Neil chairing the London debate doesn't seem to want to let anyone answer the questions.

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By *onbons_xxMan
over a year ago

Bolton

I caught a bit of the Green Party's party political broadcast earlier, it was surreal with some sort of pop ditty piss take, obviously with serious messages!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't know but I'd honestly consider moving abroad if Labour get back into power.

They'll have us bankrupt within a year."

See ya....

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

I'm going against the polls, I think Miliband has run a far better campaign than expected, has the momentum and will see Labour end up as the largest party.

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. Conservatives will win as I believe support for them is understated . They have done a good job of running the economy in difficult circumstances. Lots of new jobs are being created , car sales are at an all time high , the FTSE is closest to its highest ever , and taxation is set at levels which encourage companies to invest .

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I spent time in Clegg*s seat yesterday and there are virtually no posters in voter's windows for him. Maybe hugely embarrassing to do so. Mostly labour stuff displayed, so think he's toast.

Labour forms coalition. No party gets a majority.

Undecided voter though have now researched the candidates here, though its a safe conservative seat, in all likelihood.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm guessing at some stage this thread will descend into "It doesn't matter who wins the election, Britain isn't what it used to be. I blame Labour, Tories, muslims, migrants, or Opal Fruits being changed to Starburst"."

it's all been downhill since Marathon became Snickers

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By *o-jCouple
over a year ago

Outskirts of Notts

I'm guessing some twat will be in charge soon .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"how on earth does this work...

uk edition of the sun tomorrow will endorse and back the conservative party ...citing stopping the SNP as one of the reasons its backing the tories

meanwhile....the scottish edition of the sun tomorrow will endorse and back the SNP

taking out of both sides of their mouths for ciculation issues????

The Sun are probably the worst for this but the express and daily fail are at it as well.

it's been going on for years, back in 1997 when we had the devolution referendum the Sun ran two headlines:

Scottish edition "rise now and be a nation"

UK edition "stop your whinging jock"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought Milliband put out a decent ppb yesterday, trouble is he's trying to make up for four years of flux in four weeks. I think Fabio can go to the pay window with his wager, I can't see ukip gaining any seats other than Carswell holding his.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Conservative

since i know you had a sensible finger on the scottish polls....

does the new polls today say more about sturgeon since they were projected to win them all in one.. and all but two in the other...

does is say more that ruth davison is doing a good job as scottish tory leader they are only 3% behind labour....

does it mean that jim murphy is doing a bad job as scottish labour leader thats he is only 3 ahead of the tories...

that everyone in scotland is so distrusful of the two big parties this is a big "FU" on the biggest stage possible....

The polls are misleading _abio, they dont take into account that aprox 30% of the electorate in Scotland are either undecided or dont want to say how they will vote.

the debate up here isnt always grown up theres still a bit of aggro left over from last year (on both sides)

Jim Murphy is as divisive as Alex Salmond and prone to the odd gaff or three which doesnt help him, there are a number of labour MPs up here who are unpopular due to issues like the Iraq war and campaigning (in some case celebrating with) alongside the tories in the indyref.

The problem for Ruth Davidson and the tories is that their support up here is spread too thin and unlikely to be turned into seats (possibly 1 in the borders) a bit like the greens UK wide.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

My prediction is that if there is a low turnout the Tories will get back in and within months there will be a wailing and gnashing of teeth from the working and unemployed poor who voted Conservative and those who made a choice not to vote. Because what the Tories will be doing to the vast majority of us make the last 5 years look like a picknick!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"how on earth does this work...

uk edition of the sun tomorrow will endorse and back the conservative party ...citing stopping the SNP as one of the reasons its backing the tories

meanwhile....the scottish edition of the sun tomorrow will endorse and back the SNP

taking out of both sides of their mouths for ciculation issues????

Murdoch hates Labour. Telling Scots to vote SNP and everyone else to vote Tory amounts to the same thing - fewer Labour seats and a greater chance of an absolute Tory majority.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

anybody getting more election bumf through the door than pizza leaflets these days

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

"My prediction is that if there is a low turnout the Tories will get back in and within months there will be a wailing and gnashing of teeth from the working and unemployed poor who voted Conservative and those who made a choice not to vote. Because what the Tories will be doing to the vast majority of us make the last 5 years look like a picknick!

Look at what Labour is actually offering.

There great tax giveaway to the poor amounts to a rise of 50 pence per week.

They refuse to give the NHS the resources they need offering 2.5 million instead of the 8 million needed.

They deficit reduction plans result in what has been described by independent analysts as insignificant amounts.

They claim to support the NHS but they have privatised more of the NHS than the Conservatives.

Their PFI fiasco has left hospitals practically bankrupt and in debt for decades struggling to pay huge capital repayments.

Labour are doing what they are good at; telling the people what they want to hear, without actually giving them anything.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One thing I think would hilarious is after the result labour and the conservatives declaring a coalition.

I'd love it just to see people's reacrions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As someone who works I'm a fair bit better off under the current coalition than I was under labour.

That seems to be the consensus amongst most of the skilled labour class of workers I know too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"indulge me a scenario for a moment... i think a trick has been missed a little...

I really don't know how i am voting next thursday yet.... but if a sturgeon based "uk progressive left" had been on the ballot down here.... i would have been sorely tempted"

Finally someone is listening....

It really isn't about a referendum this time it's about change

The whole of scotland is ready for a change and shaking up Westminster and showing these two main parties there's other options

For labour, the Tories and the rest to keep banging on bout all SNP want is to break up the union blah blah is sticking in the mud and their only threat again and they are the ones that haven't got past or moved forward from the referendum.... Also they are being blatantly racist towards the scots the very scots they wanted to stay in the union it's only making the gap wider again.....

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

My prediction for what it is worth.

The Tory's will be the largest party (just) I think Labour will gain a few seats in England but not enough to counter the ones they are going to lose in Scotland.

The big question is where the Lib Dem vote is going. While they will probably keep some of their core support, many people in the past have used them as the "not the other two" option. Now they have, in effect, become part of the other two those voters are going to desert them in droves. Most will go to either Labour or the Tory's but the Greens and UKIP will also pick up a few. I think they will probably lose around 30 seats with Labour picking up slightly more of them than the Tory's.

Then there is UKIP. The polls show them averaging around 15% nationally but some of the variation from poll to poll is quite staggering. Only in the last few days I have seen one put them on 18% and another on 10%. Personally I think a lot of it is down to UKIP being strong in some parts of the country (East and parts of South East England) and weak in other parts (Scotland, Inner London) They also have some pockets of strong support in the North, keep an eye on Rotherham and Rochdale. While I wouldn't take Fabio up on his bet (as said above, only a fool would bet on this one) I still think UKIP will pick up between eight and a dozen seats.

For the Greens Caroline Lucas will lose in Brighton and they wont pick up any other seats.

I also think there will be another election within two years.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"France has seen unemployment grow year on year, very much in line with the departure of wealth from the country.

It makes a good sounbyte to "tax the rich" but as France has found it. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Which main party has campaigned on a 70% top rate of tax in this election?

Answer = no one!

I think in terms of "all in it together" a 50% top rate of tax isn't a bad thing.

We had a 50% rate for 2 years - did we have people fleeing in masses? No they didn't. Did the economy collapse? No it didn't.

What did happen was the rich rejigged their taxes, they brought forward about £17bn in earnings in 2009 to pay at the lesser rate so that less income was taxable from 2010.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

I'm expecting a UKIP landslide.

They told us last year that winning the European elections proved that they were winning the argument and the support of the British people.

So I have every reason to expect that they will win a majority in the general election, or at the least be the party with most seats.

The UKIP surge will be victorious.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"One thing I think would hilarious is after the result labour and the conservatives declaring a coalition.

I'd love it just to see people's reacrions"

This is not as daft as it sounds, we have some pretty major issues that would benefit from cross party collaboration rather than flip flopping every time there is a change of government. In particular we would all benefit from an agreed plan around pensions, NHS and education, but that wouldn't leave them much to fight about!

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Danny Alexander is 'leaking' info on the Tory welfare cuts!

Ooooh, it's getting nasty, get your handbags everyone! The cream is clotting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"indulge me a scenario for a moment... i think a trick has been missed a little...

I really don't know how i am voting next thursday yet.... but if a sturgeon based "uk progressive left" had been on the ballot down here.... i would have been sorely tempted

Finally someone is listening....

It really isn't about a referendum this time it's about change

The whole of scotland is ready for a change and shaking up Westminster and showing these two main parties there's other options

I can foresee a building resentment by the English though which may change things a lot.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"France has seen unemployment grow year on year, very much in line with the departure of wealth from the country.

It makes a good sounbyte to "tax the rich" but as France has found it. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Which main party has campaigned on a 70% top rate of tax in this election?

Answer = no one!

I think in terms of "all in it together" a 50% top rate of tax isn't a bad thing.

We had a 50% rate for 2 years - did we have people fleeing in masses? No they didn't. Did the economy collapse? No it didn't.

What did happen was the rich rejigged their taxes, they brought forward about £17bn in earnings in 2009 to pay at the lesser rate so that less income was taxable from 2010. "

It is not just about the top rate of tax. All the rhetoric has been about taking money from the rich. Mansion tax, non does, bank levy, 50% top rate and a corporation tax hike of as much as 5%. These are push factors for wealthy people. Think about it.... With the starting tax rate likely to be at around £12500 sometime in the next 5 years, the departure of just one very high rate tax payer would equate to the tax take of hundreds of moderately paid people. The tax take from the very wealthy is disproportionately large and it does not take much to push them away.

What I find strange is why there is a championing of people paying more tax when logically we should be shouting to all pay less and for the government to be less wasteful with our money.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"One thing I think would hilarious is after the result labour and the conservatives declaring a coalition.

I'd love it just to see people's reacrions"

Unlikely but not beyond the realms of possibility.

It is pretty certain that there will be a hung parliament and the SNP are going to be the 3rd party.

They have already categorically stated that they wont do a deal with the Tory's and a deal with Labour is far too toxic for Milliband to even contemplate, even though deep down both he and Sturgeon would like it.

With the Tory's as the largest party Milliband could possibly see that propping up a Tory government with some concessions to Labour would be a lot less toxic than going down in history as the man who lost the union.

Whichever way it goes I wouldn't like to be in Millibands shoes next Friday morning.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"France has seen unemployment grow year on year, very much in line with the departure of wealth from the country.

It makes a good sounbyte to "tax the rich" but as France has found it. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Which main party has campaigned on a 70% top rate of tax in this election?

Answer = no one!

I think in terms of "all in it together" a 50% top rate of tax isn't a bad thing.

We had a 50% rate for 2 years - did we have people fleeing in masses? No they didn't. Did the economy collapse? No it didn't.

What did happen was the rich rejigged their taxes, they brought forward about £17bn in earnings in 2009 to pay at the lesser rate so that less income was taxable from 2010.

What I find strange is why there is a championing of people paying more tax when logically we should be shouting to all pay less and for the government to be less wasteful with our money."

The average billionaire (I appreciate the irony!), will spend some millions here in the UK every year all at 20% VAT. While I am all in favour of making sure there is no tax evasion by anyone in society, if that spending power is lost the impact on the treasury would be very significant.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"France has seen unemployment grow year on year, very much in line with the departure of wealth from the country.

It makes a good sounbyte to "tax the rich" but as France has found it. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Which main party has campaigned on a 70% top rate of tax in this election?

Answer = no one!

I think in terms of "all in it together" a 50% top rate of tax isn't a bad thing.

We had a 50% rate for 2 years - did we have people fleeing in masses? No they didn't. Did the economy collapse? No it didn't.

What did happen was the rich rejigged their taxes, they brought forward about £17bn in earnings in 2009 to pay at the lesser rate so that less income was taxable from 2010.

What I find strange is why there is a championing of people paying more tax when logically we should be shouting to all pay less and for the government to be less wasteful with our money."

100% agree but sadly it is a concept that the average green eyed socialist just cannot grasp.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

What I find strange is why there is a championing of people paying more tax when logically we should be shouting to all pay less and for the government to be less wasteful with our money."

Everyone wants lower taxes - but people want better public services and that means bills have to be paid.

Ask people if they want to pay no tax and pay ALL costs out of their own pockets (bar defense or FCO)... then ask them if they want to keep the socialism model. I can guarantee which would be the victor.

So those bills have to be paid, and if the rich have a disproportionate share of the income then they pay a disproportionate share of the taxes.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

What I find strange is why there is a championing of people paying more tax when logically we should be shouting to all pay less and for the government to be less wasteful with our money.

Everyone wants lower taxes - but people want better public services and that means bills have to be paid.

So those bills have to be paid, and if the rich have a disproportionate share of the income then they pay a disproportionate share of the taxes."

Why should there only be two options? One extreme or the other?

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

What I find strange is why there is a championing of people paying more tax when logically we should be shouting to all pay less and for the government to be less wasteful with our money.

Everyone wants lower taxes - but people want better public services and that means bills have to be paid.

So those bills have to be paid, and if the rich have a disproportionate share of the income then they pay a disproportionate share of the taxes.

Why should there only be two options? One extreme or the other? "

Because if AV is anything to go by, people won't get it! Either/or is easier to put to people is it not?

You want a little bit of socialism? A big dollop or a smidgen? I'm sure we could quantify those.

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By *educedWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham

Having held three sets of hustings this week around the constituency, (I am shattered) I am of the opinion that locally it's no longer a two horse race.

UKIP were berated everytime the candidate opened his mouth. The Conservative was laughed at and the Labour candidate looked and sounded tired and emotional. The Lib Dem geezer had obviously missed the Public Speaking workshop and the candidate from the Green Party got a standing ovation.

I think we will see more than one Green MP nationally, but as someone said at the hustings, they are so far removed from Parliament and the bigger picture, they will be voting for the candidate who they believe can achieve and change things locally regardless of the party and I think that's what a lot of folks believe and will do.

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By *ancadamMan
over a year ago

Stockport

"We'll see the Labour Party in power, no doubt. So Tory light.

So, good riddance to bad rubbish.

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just what I've been saying.and the worst chancellor in history too.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"One thing I think would hilarious is after the result labour and the conservatives declaring a coalition.

I'd love it just to see people's reacrions

It's also not a stupid idea as Conservative and Labour are two sets of broadly identical neoliberals with different names.

Anyone who think that there is any appreciable difference between any of the three majn parties is just drinking up the spin.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"France has seen unemployment grow year on year, very much in line with the departure of wealth from the country.

It makes a good sounbyte to "tax the rich" but as France has found it. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Which main party has campaigned on a 70% top rate of tax in this election?

Answer = no one!

I think in terms of "all in it together" a 50% top rate of tax isn't a bad thing.

We had a 50% rate for 2 years - did we have people fleeing in masses? No they didn't. Did the economy collapse? No it didn't.

What did happen was the rich rejigged their taxes, they brought forward about £17bn in earnings in 2009 to pay at the lesser rate so that less income was taxable from 2010.

What I find strange is why there is a championing of people paying more tax when logically we should be shouting to all pay less and for the government to be less wasteful with our money."

Or even better, the rich pay more tax, the poor pay less tax, and the government to be less wasteful with our money.

I guess such a _iew makes me either a 'green eyed socialist'...or genuinely thoughtful. Your own personal blinkers will decide for you which is correct.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quick Roman let's all line up to suck your dick as a thank you for not taking all your cash back to Russia...remind me again why you prefer London to Moscow??

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"One thing I think would hilarious is after the result labour and the conservatives declaring a coalition.

I'd love it just to see people's reacrions

It's also not a stupid idea as Conservative and Labour are two sets of broadly identical neoliberals with different names.

Anyone who think that there is any appreciable difference between any of the three majn parties is just drinking up the spin."

Kitchens maybe?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

We fight at the polls over the key issue of our time:

Nespresso or Tassimo?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought it was when marathon turned to snickers

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Quick Roman let's all line up to suck your dick as a thank you for not taking all your cash back to Russia...remind me again why you prefer London to Moscow??"

I would think for his non dom status and the safety of not living in a country ruled by Putin would be high on his list.

However it is a big world out there and piss him (and many others like him) off and he really could be gone in 30 seconds.

Good riddance some of you might say, but remember this. Many of these "rich" work and invest in the London financial centre which pays around a quarter of the UK governments total tax take. As reported only a few days ago HSBC are seriously thinking of moving their head office away from London and others may follow. It matters not a jot whether these people and company's have their office in New York, Hong Kong, Frankfurt, or Singapore. Deals can be done at the click of a mouse. At the moment London offers a favourable climate to do business. Change that and they will be off and there is sod all any UK government can do about it. Should that happen who then will pay for the NHS, education, infrastructure, welfare state Etc?

Like it or not we live in a global economy and the days of exchange controls and only being allowed to take 50 quid on holiday are long gone.

Tax the rich? Be very careful what you wish for. The law of unintended consequences is strong in this one. (with apologies to Darth Vader)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Miliband in number 10. some how!! and Boris leader of the opposition by the end of the year.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Tax the rich, if they want to live in London. And they do. So tax them until their ears squeak, they aren't going anywhere. London is the best place in the world to live, if you are rich.

Of course, that won't prevent fools and myopics thinking that the rich are here because of favourable business conditions rather than living conditions.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Tax the rich, if they want to live in London. And they do. So tax them until their ears squeak, they aren't going anywhere. London is the best place in the world to live, if you are rich.

Of course, that won't prevent fools and myopics thinking that the rich are here because of favourable business conditions rather than living conditions."

If that idea makes you comfortable then stick with it.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

The facts are not meant to comfort...they are just facts. On the other hand, if they make you uncomfortable, don't worry! There's always UKIP

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"The facts are not meant to comfort...they are just facts. On the other hand, if they make you uncomfortable, don't worry! There's always UKIP

They're due a landslide you know.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Tax the rich, if they want to live in London. And they do. So tax them until their ears squeak, they aren't going anywhere. London is the best place in the world to live, if you are rich.

Of course, that won't prevent fools and myopics thinking that the rich are here because of favourable business conditions rather than living conditions.

If that idea makes you comfortable then stick with it."

interesting concept "myopic thinking"

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"France has seen unemployment grow year on year, very much in line with the departure of wealth from the country.

It makes a good sounbyte to "tax the rich" but as France has found it. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Which main party has campaigned on a 70% top rate of tax in this election?

Answer = no one!

I think in terms of "all in it together" a 50% top rate of tax isn't a bad thing.

We had a 50% rate for 2 years - did we have people fleeing in masses? No they didn't. Did the economy collapse? No it didn't.

What did happen was the rich rejigged their taxes, they brought forward about £17bn in earnings in 2009 to pay at the lesser rate so that less income was taxable from 2010.

What I find strange is why there is a championing of people paying more tax when logically we should be shouting to all pay less and for the government to be less wasteful with our money.

Maybe VAT is the answer.

Is it sensible that the rate on tampons is the same as the rate on Rolex watches?

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over a year ago

Glasgow

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So will the leaders Question Time this evening sway the polls?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Nigel F get the whole of the section after the news.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ukip ppb, first words out of Nigel's mouth..."we are not a racist party"

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Really liking the Question Time format, much better than the leaders squabbling with each other. A very strong start from Cameron, tough act to follow.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Really liking the Question Time format, much better than the leaders squabbling with each other. A very strong start from Cameron, tough act to follow."

i think he got a proper shoo-ing... however he survived... just!! don't think he answered a lot of the questions well i.e what you cutting?

the word "trust" is coming up a lot... and neither cameron nor milliband are coping well...

loving this audience though!!!!

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over a year ago

"Really liking the Question Time format, much better than the leaders squabbling with each other. A very strong start from Cameron, tough act to follow.

i think he got a proper shoo-ing... however he survived... just!! don't think he answered a lot of the questions well i.e what you cutting?

the word "trust" is coming up a lot... and neither cameron nor milliband are coping well...

loving this audience though!!!! "

The audience have been totally brilliant, and have been allowed to shine but super chairmanship from Dimbleby. Allowing the business woman from Leeds to continue her point with Miliband was superb.

Thought Miliband did better in the debate at the start of the campaign, Cameron came out on top for me tonight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Clegg has the knack of putting on a performance

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Clegg has the knack of putting on a performance "

Sadly for him tonight it was pantomime. Thought he was hopeless and may have nailed the final nails in the Lib Dem coffin.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Clegg has the knack of putting on a performance

Sadly for him tonight it was pantomime. Thought he was hopeless and may have nailed the final nails in the Lib Dem coffin."

I'm not sure even he is convinced he can hold his seat.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Milliband's darkened room joke was the only highlight for me.

Didn't like the audience but I did like how they were allowed to press their point. Dimbleby has always been the best at chairing these sort of things.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I'm not doing Farage after the news but will have The Last Leg on. I need funny politics now.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"I'm not doing Farage after the news but will have The Last Leg on. I need funny politics now.

Thanks for the reminder

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Milliband's darkened room joke was the only highlight for me.

Didn't like the audience but I did like how they were allowed to press their point. Dimbleby has always been the best at chairing these sort of things."

Dimbleby was a brilliant chair, understated and let the audience shine. Very good.

For me Cameron was a clear winner tonight, a very assured performance. Miliband a close second and Clegg a long way third.

Will the polls be swayed come the morning? I suspect so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Only caught the last 10 mins of Cameron but sounded quite evasive to me and I was surprised at how warm the applause was for him - presumably I missed the best bit.

Milliband sounded quite assured but this denial of needing to consider an arrangement with other parties is foolish.

Cleggs rationale that whoever has the most seats has the most support from the electorate and should therefore automatically get first choice of forming a govt. is also nonsense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't know, Cameron can deliver a performance but never seems sincere. Milliband seems to trip over himself, in the labour ppb talking about his dad and commitment to all not the few he had an air of conviction that wasn't there tonight (keeping Ed Balls will surely be his undoing).

Clegg is Clegg I suppose, thought he should have made more play of tempering the tories while in coalition.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"..............

Milliband sounded quite assured but this denial of needing to consider an arrangement with other parties is foolish.

Ed's statement that he wouldn't enter into any sort of agreement with the SNP couldn't have been clearer and the sooner the SNP drop their absurd wet dream about striding the corridors of power, the better.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"..............

Milliband sounded quite assured but this denial of needing to consider an arrangement with other parties is foolish.

I'm happy with that but he still needs to explain what the relationship will be with other parties if they attempt to govern without a majority.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

One undecided voter before question time now decided.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"..............

Milliband sounded quite assured but this denial of needing to consider an arrangement with other parties is foolish.

I'm happy with that but he still needs to explain what the relationship will be with other parties if they attempt to govern without a majority.

I'm not convinced he does. He,like all of the party leaders, are under no obligation to divulge their plans posy election in the event of a hung parliament.

They can is they so wish, but there's no obligation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

might not like the tories

but when you think of the state we were in 5 years ago

could you have done better with no money in the bank and banks all in the shit

i may not like the tories but must say it could of been so much worse than were we are now

yes labour can come in and spend loads and for 5 years look brill then win the next election as well but 7 or 8 years from now with a spend mad labour GOD HELP US

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Milliband's darkened room joke was the only highlight for me.

Didn't like the audience but I did like how they were allowed to press their point. Dimbleby has always been the best at chairing these sort of things."

Surely another Miliband highlight was when he tripped on the stage and nearly fell over while exiting the stage after his stint, what a fool the guy is a walking disaster area!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Milliband's darkened room joke was the only highlight for me.

Didn't like the audience but I did like how they were allowed to press their point. Dimbleby has always been the best at chairing these sort of things.

Surely another Miliband highlight was when he tripped on the stage and nearly fell over while exiting the stage after his stint, what a fool the guy is a walking disaster area!"

Oh fuck you're right. I'll vote UKIP it's not like they'd be a plane crash..

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Only caught the last 10 mins of Cameron but sounded quite evasive to me and I was surprised at how warm the applause was for him - presumably I missed the best bit.

Milliband sounded quite assured but this denial of needing to consider an arrangement with other parties is foolish.

Cleggs rationale that whoever has the most seats has the most support from the electorate and should therefore automatically get first choice of forming a govt. is also nonsense.

The way Clegg harps on about democracy and being a democrat, but then his flat refusal to give an EU referendum i found really annoying. If he was a true democrat he would give a referendum, letting the people decide is true democracy.

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By *1968Man
over a year ago

Wokingham

I think any momentum miliband was receiving was shot down in flames when he denied the last labour government overspent ! What a dick ! Really does the guy think we are all stupid.

Fact is that whilst many have suffered trying to fix all the shit that the latest government inherited it would have been much worse for those that have already suffered and many many more if the government hadn't made the decisions they have.

I'm not agreeing they have got everything right but it's moving in the right direction.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like these 'I'm not really a Tory' but... comments.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I know who I'm voting for

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I think any momentum miliband was receiving was shot down in flames when he denied the last labour government overspent ! What a dick ! Really does the guy think we are all stupid.

I'm not agreeing they have got everything right but it's moving in the right direction. "

really..?

the friends of the establishment and their families have done ok, in fact the 'rich' have gotten richer again..

people having to use food banks on the other hand have not fared so well as have many others..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I know who I'm voting for

Is it ukip and their 'ban bananas for being foreign' policy?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It doesn't matter who gets in were all screwed for another 5 years nothing will change.

Were in the shit and it take another decade to get out of it.

You really are just voting for more of the same.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I think The Last Leg may have increased the Conservative vote with their Torie Manifesto.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It doesn't matter who gets in were all screwed for another 5 years nothing will change.

Were in the shit and it take another decade to get out of it.

You really are just voting for more of the same."

zzzzzzzzzzz

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"I know who I'm voting for

Is it ukip and their 'ban bananas for being foreign' policy?"

Yeah UKIP bananas all the way

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"I think any momentum miliband was receiving was shot down in flames when he denied the last labour government overspent ! What a dick ! Really does the guy think we are all stupid.

I'm not agreeing they have got everything right but it's moving in the right direction. "

No he was shot down the moment when he said no deal with SNP and saying if it meant Labour not being in government so be it. So he is happy for the Tories to get back in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think any momentum miliband was receiving was shot down in flames when he denied the last labour government overspent ! What a dick ! Really does the guy think we are all stupid.

I'm not agreeing they have got everything right but it's moving in the right direction.

No he was shot down the moment when he said no deal with SNP and saying if it meant Labour not being in government so be it. So he is happy for the Tories to get back in."

He'd never get English support if he said anything else.

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"I think any momentum miliband was receiving was shot down in flames when he denied the last labour government overspent ! What a dick ! Really does the guy think we are all stupid.

I'm not agreeing they have got everything right but it's moving in the right direction.

No he was shot down the moment when he said no deal with SNP and saying if it meant Labour not being in government so be it. So he is happy for the Tories to get back in.

He'd never get English support if he said anything else.

So it sounds like he has given up on Scotland.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"might not like the tories

but when you think of the state we were in 5 years ago

could you have done better with no money in the bank and banks all in the shit

i may not like the tories but must say it could of been so much worse than were we are now

yes labour can come in and spend loads and for 5 years look brill then win the next election as well but 7 or 8 years from now with a spend mad labour GOD HELP US

You are basing this on coalition lies that ignore economic facts.

When the coalition took over from Labour, the economy was already stable and recovering from a recession caused by world economic forces, not Labour mismanagement.

The ConLib coalition economic policies actually STALLED the recovery that was already in place when they took power for two years.

So you are trusting people who are factually proven to be worse at managing the economy than Labour. Good for you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think he's more likely basing it on personal politics.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"might not like the tories

but when you think of the state we were in 5 years ago

could you have done better with no money in the bank and banks all in the shit

i may not like the tories but must say it could of been so much worse than were we are now

yes labour can come in and spend loads and for 5 years look brill then win the next election as well but 7 or 8 years from now with a spend mad labour GOD HELP US

You are basing this on coalition lies that ignore economic facts.

When the coalition took over from Labour, the economy was already stable and recovering from a recession caused by world economic forces, not Labour mismanagement.

The ConLib coalition economic policies actually STALLED the recovery that was already in place when they took power for two years.

So you are trusting people who are factually proven to be worse at managing the economy than Labour. Good for you.

Oh how I love a bit of sarcasm

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"might not like the tories

but when you think of the state we were in 5 years ago

could you have done better with no money in the bank and banks all in the shit

i may not like the tories but must say it could of been so much worse than were we are now

yes labour can come in and spend loads and for 5 years look brill then win the next election as well but 7 or 8 years from now with a spend mad labour GOD HELP US

You are basing this on coalition lies that ignore economic facts.

When the coalition took over from Labour, the economy was already stable and recovering from a recession caused by world economic forces, not Labour mismanagement.

The ConLib coalition economic policies actually STALLED the recovery that was already in place when they took power for two years.

So you are trusting people who are factually proven to be worse at managing the economy than Labour. Good for you.

It is a fact that the last 12 months in office labour increased their future spending plans beyond the country's means, knowing that the tories would have to scrap those plans, thereby making things look worse than they are.

It is also a fact that there was no money left when the tories took over... due to labour's overspending.

I lived through the Thatcher years, and they were truly awful. She sold council houses without replenishing them and took us to war she could have avoided, all to stay in power. For that alone, I could never vote Tory.

I voted labour in 97. And Blair lied to take us to an illegal war, and has proven himself a true socialist since in amassing his personal fortune and paying very little tax. And opened the doors to mass immigration because immigrants are more likely to vote labour. And I listened to Brown tell us all that ' never again will there be boom and bust', and a few years later blaming everyone but themselves for the mess we got into.

And I've seen the effects of power making the liberals dizzy.

This election campaign has seen them tell lie after lie, promising us the earth knowing that they'll only deliver a road atlas, trying to out do each other on a daily basis, treating us, their paymasters, like fools.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

All the time knowing that whatever they're saying they'll do for us won't happen, knowing that they've got the perfect excuse for not delivering on their pledged because we voted in a minority or coalition government, so it's our fault for not giving them a mandate.

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

"Danny Alexander is 'leaking' info on the Tory welfare cuts!

Ooooh, it's getting nasty, get your handbags everyone! The cream is clotting. "

No Danny Alexander asked for suggestions to reduce the welfare bill.

On of the suggestions came from Ian Duncan Smith who suggested the cuts on child benefit. The suggestion was dismissed by David Cameron and George Osborne.

It was never Conservative policy.

But hey why let facts get in the way of scaremongering

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"might not like the tories

but when you think of the state we were in 5 years ago

could you have done better with no money in the bank and banks all in the shit

i may not like the tories but must say it could of been so much worse than were we are now

yes labour can come in and spend loads and for 5 years look brill then win the next election as well but 7 or 8 years from now with a spend mad labour GOD HELP US

You are basing this on coalition lies that ignore economic facts.

When the coalition took over from Labour, the economy was already stable and recovering from a recession caused by world economic forces, not Labour mismanagement.

The ConLib coalition economic policies actually STALLED the recovery that was already in place when they took power for two years.

So you are trusting people who are factually proven to be worse at managing the economy than Labour. Good for you.

Alastair Darling and Brown actually did a pretty good job during the financial crisis, with the UK so dependent on the financial sector, a global crash was always going to have a big impact on the country. They had little option but to take the actions that they did. But you can argue that the structural deficit was already embedded in the policies that had been followed in the previous 13 years making the mess worse than it should have been, and making the slow painful process it has been. One just hopes that everyone has learned the mistakes of the past, but I fear not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Michael Gove has been very quiet in this election.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ha !!!! so Brown and Blair (notice how I don't mention Darling because I think that bloke saw the light LOL and he has now decided to bow out of politics because although once a trotskyite and a member of militant realises for some reason has decided he's had a bellyful of labour and it's crackpot policies)

They did a good job creating the most utterly inept and unfit for purpose system on the planet called tax credits. This monumental folly to an arrogant ego is run by bureaucrats who haven't a clue how to apply the so called rules and has literally wasted billions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The lady who cuts my hair came put with an interesting comment yesterday.......says she agrees with most of UKIPs manifesto but she's not voting for them. Wonder how many others are thinking the same I ask myself.....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The lady who cuts my hair came put with an interesting comment yesterday.......says she agrees with most of UKIPs manifesto but she's not voting for them. Wonder how many others are thinking the same I ask myself....."

I guess that is the issue with a small challenger party, while people may like their policies, it is often the fear of the unknown which stops them voting for them. I thought Farage was good last night, although I wonder how many people actually stayed up to watch him?

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

I think its likely to be a Tory win, but they'll have to be propped up by "the best of the rest", probably LibDems and Ukip.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Possibly the EU conundrum may be sorted out anyway by the fate that awaits it. Sooner or later the whole thing will disintegrate into chaos. The Euro currency is built on sand and the Germans will soon have to decide if they want to prop it up anyway. I shouldn't hold your breath as once they start to realize the cost of propping it up is prohibitive, which they probably already have done it'll fall apart.

voting UKIP is a wasted vote because probably what they are after will happen anyway. The EU is a busted flush, in my opinion. The next couple of years could be a bit scary if you have money invested in things like bonds and shares.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Possibly the EU conundrum may be sorted out anyway by the fate that awaits it. Sooner or later the whole thing will disintegrate into chaos. The Euro currency is built on sand and the Germans will soon have to decide if they want to prop it up anyway. I shouldn't hold your breath as once they start to realize the cost of propping it up is prohibitive, which they probably already have done it'll fall apart.

Depends which bonds and shares you own....

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By *oole2010Couple
over a year ago

southampto

"might not like the tories

but when you think of the state we were in 5 years ago

could you have done better with no money in the bank and banks all in the shit

i may not like the tories but must say it could of been so much worse than were we are now

yes labour can come in and spend loads and for 5 years look brill then win the next election as well but 7 or 8 years from now with a spend mad labour GOD HELP US

You are basing this on coalition lies that ignore economic facts.

When the coalition took over from Labour, the economy was already stable and recovering from a recession caused by world economic forces, not Labour mismanagement.

The ConLib coalition economic policies actually STALLED the recovery that was already in place when they took power for two years.

So you are trusting people who are factually proven to be worse at managing the economy than Labour. Good for you.

How come the economy was stable when the coalition took over,as when labour left office in 2010, we as a country were borrowing 124 billion a year to pay for things? Thats hardly stable.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"might not like the tories

but when you think of the state we were in 5 years ago

could you have done better with no money in the bank and banks all in the shit

i may not like the tories but must say it could of been so much worse than were we are now

yes labour can come in and spend loads and for 5 years look brill then win the next election as well but 7 or 8 years from now with a spend mad labour GOD HELP US

You are basing this on coalition lies that ignore economic facts.

When the coalition took over from Labour, the economy was already stable and recovering from a recession caused by world economic forces, not Labour mismanagement.

The ConLib coalition economic policies actually STALLED the recovery that was already in place when they took power for two years.

So you are trusting people who are factually proven to be worse at managing the economy than Labour. Good for you.

How come the economy was stable when the coalition took over,as when labour left office in 2010, we as a country were borrowing 124 billion a year to pay for things? Thats hardly stable."

Borrowing is only a problem if you can't service the repayments. As one of the richest economies in the world, we can, and were.

That is the definition of stable, as the economy was growing, increasing our ability to increase our repayments and reduce debt.

Of course, the coalition's austerity measures smashed that growth for two years into nothing, and we are now in an economy where growth at a level best described as notional is lauded as a success.

The best trick the Tories have ever pulled is fooling a large part of the electorate into thinking they are fiscally prudent...when in fact they are fiscally reckless.

Luckily for them, the voters are even more stupid than they give us credit for, as can be seen in this thread.