FabSwingers.com forum: Should wool whistling be a sex crime?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Just watching the wright stuff and this subject came up. Do you think wolf whistling should be a sex crime or does it not bother you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No don't think it should be made a crime x

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"Just watching the wright stuff and this subject came up. Do you think wolf whistling should be a sex crime or does it not bother you?"

Wool whistling?

You Welsh have all the fun!

Mr.ddc

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Ahh fuck just noticed the title and can't change it!

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"Ahh fuck just noticed the title and can't change it! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's a Freudian slip

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just watching the wright stuff and this subject came up. Do you think wolf whistling should be a sex crime or does it not bother you?

Wool whistling?

You Welsh have all the fun!

Mr.ddc"

I'm imaging the OP with a flock of sheep following, I should get out more.

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By *eepfoughtMan
over a year ago

Burnley

I know its different, but I never used to get offended when I got wolf-whistled when I was out cycling, but the circumstances are very different I guess.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, but it does automatically make the whistler a dickhead

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ahh fuck just noticed the title and can't change it! "

Made me laugh that

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"That's a Freudian slip"

For flocks sake, would ewe believe it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

not at all. I find it very flattering tbh. makes me smile

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That's a Freudian slip

For flocks sake, would ewe believe it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That's a Freudian slip

For flocks sake, would ewe believe it?

I'm not encouraging any more of these. They're too baaaaaaad

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hmmmm more into silk or satin myself! Mature probely prefer wool.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"not at all. I find it very flattering tbh. makes me smile

Same here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't wait for a certain someone's answer if they see this thread.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"That's a Freudian slip

For flocks sake, would ewe believe it?

I'm not encouraging any more of these. They're too baaaaaaad

Nonsense, I think it's mint.

And I'm gonna keep ramming my puns home until I look all sheepish

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That's a Freudian slip

For flocks sake, would ewe believe it?

I'm not encouraging any more of these. They're too baaaaaaad

Nonsense, I think it's mint.

And I'm gonna keep ramming my puns home until I look all sheepish

like a lamb to the slaughter

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ahh fuck just noticed the title and can't change it! "
i did same one one off my post put a wrong spelling . It's easy done !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not a crime no , but I can see how it would make someone uncomfortable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ahh fuck just noticed the title and can't change it! "

Wouldn't worry, I started a thread, about club attire.. Told everyone I was thinking of wearing my hotpot.. Oh the joys! Pmsl

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"Ahh fuck just noticed the title and can't change it!

Wouldn't worry, I started a thread, about club attire.. Told everyone I was thinking of wearing my hotpot.. Oh the joys! Pmsl"

Was it a lamb hotpot ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ahh fuck just noticed the title and can't change it!

Wouldn't worry, I started a thread, about club attire.. Told everyone I was thinking of wearing my hotpot.. Oh the joys! Pmsl

Was it a lamb hotpot ?

Baaaaahhhhhh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've never seen why people get offended by this... As long as its not accompanied by lewd comments it is I feel harmless.

Not had one for a while Lol x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seeing the story of the young lady being harassed on her way to work for nearly a month, there was a definite line crossed from a casual wolf whistle

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands

No its not a crime

I do it all the time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No, but it does automatically make the whistler a dickhead"

But I also think employers should take more responsibility as it is a form of harassment

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

not wolf whistling alone no, in the days when I did get wolf whistled I used to mainly ignore it anyway. Blokes on building sites would whistle at anything in a frock with a pulse and it was rare that a lone male would whistle it was usually a gang which could be intimidating for a lone female. If it was accompanied by shouts of "not many of those to a pound love" or "you got a licence for them darling'" I used to think "idiots!" and walk on but it could make me feel threatened and vulnerable. Sex crime? Not in my opinion. Loutish, foolish behaviour? Possibly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seeing the story of the young lady being harassed on her way to work for nearly a month, there was a definite line crossed from a casual wolf whistle

Agree. That is no way acceptable behaviour.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Seeing the story of the young lady being harassed on her way to work for nearly a month, there was a definite line crossed from a casual wolf whistle

Yes there used to be certain building sites that I would avoid if possible. I shouldn't have had to do that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a tricky one for sure, everyone's "offence" levels are different so next to impossible to judge what's acceptable and what's not.

Regarding the case in today's paper, not really a police matter, I'm pretty sure they have better things to do with their time.

I believe the ladies case would have been better served by reporting it to the site manager, not the police.

If she felt so intimidated that she felt it impossible to walk into the site office I'm sure there were plenty of signs up with the site phone number.

In this instance, mountain molehill.

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

People will bleat on about it. Why not ram home the message and if people don't like it, they can flock off.

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By *ENDAROOSCouple
over a year ago

South West London / Surrey

No I don't think it should be a crime.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seeing the story of the young lady being harassed on her way to work for nearly a month, there was a definite line crossed from a casual wolf whistle

Agree. That is no way acceptable behaviour. "

Agreed. Too much of a bad thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes it should be. It's humiliating. I would class it as harrassment, absolutely no need for it and it makes me feel extremely uncomfortable. In no way would i take it as a compliment.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"It's a tricky one for sure, everyone's "offence" levels are different so next to impossible to judge what's acceptable and what's not.

Regarding the case in today's paper, not really a police matter, I'm pretty sure they have better things to do with their time.

I believe the ladies case would have been better served by reporting it to the site manager, not the police.

If she felt so intimidated that she felt it impossible to walk into the site office I'm sure there were plenty of signs up with the site phone number.

In this instance, mountain molehill."

ah there speaks a man who has never walked a mile in a woman's shoes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It makes me uncomfortable. I'm not a dog.

I'm not against compliments designed to make you feel good. A wolf-whistle is not a compliment, it's a leer, it's some random bloke in the street letting the world know what he thinks of you, whether you want him to or not.

I don't want that kind of attention when I'm just going to work or whatever. It's generally not just the whistle itself it's the abuse that follows if you fail to acknowledge it or if the whistler decides you've snubbed them by not smiling.

That said, I'm not sure what making it a crime would achieve.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

"Just watching the wright stuff and this subject came up. Do you think wolf whistling should be a sex crime or does it not bother you?

Wool whistling?

You Welsh have all the fun!

Mr.ddc

I'm imaging the OP with a flock of sheep following, I should get out more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fucks sske how bad has it got that this is even discussed at all esp on tv political correctness gone made. Wait for tories latest announcement they will ban it

As for o p and wool bit he has gone bit sheepish since the post ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just watching the wright stuff and this subject came up. Do you think wolf whistling should be a sex crime or does it not bother you?"

I believe it should fall under the banner of sexual harassment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a tricky one for sure, everyone's "offence" levels are different so next to impossible to judge what's acceptable and what's not.

Regarding the case in today's paper, not really a police matter, I'm pretty sure they have better things to do with their time.

I believe the ladies case would have been better served by reporting it to the site manager, not the police.

If she felt so intimidated that she felt it impossible to walk into the site office I'm sure there were plenty of signs up with the site phone number.

In this instance, mountain molehill.

ah there speaks a man who has never walked a mile in a woman's shoes

Preach!

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"It makes me uncomfortable. I'm not a dog.

That said, I'm not sure what making it a crime would achieve. "

rather than make it a crime I would like men to understand how it feels to be walking alone and have a group of men whistling and shouting comments, humiliating to be treated in public as a sex object and uncomfortable that everyone in the street can hear for starters.

I'm all for a bit of friendly fun and flirting and would enjoy and appreciative glance and friendly "hello" but I used to get very fed up of the comments about my breasts shouted in public by random strangers backed up by a gang of leering cronies.

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By *ENDAROOSCouple
over a year ago

South West London / Surrey

"No I don't think it should be a crime. "

Forgot to add.. But on the rare occasions it happens to me, I don't find it enjoyable or flattering.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They absolutely CAN make it a crime.

But I can't see for the life of me how that could/would be enforced.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a tricky one for sure, everyone's "offence" levels are different so next to impossible to judge what's acceptable and what's not.

Regarding the case in today's paper, not really a police matter, I'm pretty sure they have better things to do with their time.

I believe the ladies case would have been better served by reporting it to the site manager, not the police.

If she felt so intimidated that she felt it impossible to walk into the site office I'm sure there were plenty of signs up with the site phone number.

In this instance, mountain molehill."

So basically it's her fault for being offended, not the men's for harassing her?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just watching the wright stuff and this subject came up. Do you think wolf whistling should be a sex crime or does it not bother you?

I believe it should fall under the banner of sexual harassment."

100%

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fucks sske how bad has it got that this is even discussed at all esp on tv political correctness gone made. Wait for tories latest announcement they will ban it

As for o p and wool bit he has gone bit sheepish since the post ??"

How is it political correctness gone mad?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a tricky one for sure, everyone's "offence" levels are different so next to impossible to judge what's acceptable and what's not.

Regarding the case in today's paper, not really a police matter, I'm pretty sure they have better things to do with their time.

I believe the ladies case would have been better served by reporting it to the site manager, not the police.

If she felt so intimidated that she felt it impossible to walk into the site office I'm sure there were plenty of signs up with the site phone number.

In this instance, mountain molehill."

I wouldn't feel comfortable making that phone call. Can you imagine the next time you walked past, if those guys had a ticking off from their site manager and them all watching you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a tricky one for sure, everyone's "offence" levels are different so next to impossible to judge what's acceptable and what's not.

Regarding the case in today's paper, not really a police matter, I'm pretty sure they have better things to do with their time.

I believe the ladies case would have been better served by reporting it to the site manager, not the police.

If she felt so intimidated that she felt it impossible to walk into the site office I'm sure there were plenty of signs up with the site phone number.

In this instance, mountain molehill.

ah there speaks a man who has never walked a mile in a woman's shoes

You don't know that I haven't. But for the sake of clarification, I haven't.

I'm not for one minute suggesting this was anything other than improper behavior or in any way acceptable.

Merely that by making it a police matter was making a mountain out of a molehill.

The site manager would most likely have taken a very dim view of the behaviors of his workforce.

Thankfully attitudes in the construction industry are changing, maybe not quick enough for some, but it's nothing like it was even 10 years ago.

Most building sites now participate in a considerate contractor programme which clearly display phone numbers and names for the general public to use in cases like this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find it doubly uncomfortable for my breasts are a large part of my body dysphoria do to with being genderqueer/trans. When someone makes unsolicited 'positive' comments about my breasts all I hear is 'your worth as a human is tied directly to how nice other people think your breasts are'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a tricky one for sure, everyone's "offence" levels are different so next to impossible to judge what's acceptable and what's not.

Regarding the case in today's paper, not really a police matter, I'm pretty sure they have better things to do with their time.

I believe the ladies case would have been better served by reporting it to the site manager, not the police.

If she felt so intimidated that she felt it impossible to walk into the site office I'm sure there were plenty of signs up with the site phone number.

In this instance, mountain molehill.

So basically it's her fault for being offended, not the men's for harassing her?"

That is NOT what I said.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it's meant as harrassment wouldn't it be covered by laws in place already for that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Merely that by making it a police matter was making a mountain out of a molehill.

The site manager would most likely have taken a very dim view of the behaviors of his workforce.

Thankfully attitudes in the construction industry are changing, maybe not quick enough for some, but it's nothing like it was even 10 years ago.

Most building sites now participate in a considerate contractor programme which clearly display phone numbers and names for the general public to use in cases like this."

I would not have the confidence to go to a site manager about this - because a site manager would almost certainly be aware of the behaviour of their staff and had already clearly taken no action to stop it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wolf in sheeps clothing?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

that's basically what they are saying to all women, fortunately I just thought they were fools rather than social commentators.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"rather than make it a crime I would like men to understand how it feels to be walking alone and have a group of men whistling and shouting comments, humiliating to be treated in public as a sex object and uncomfortable that everyone in the street can hear for starters."

Any bloke stuck near a hen party should have some idea

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"It's a tricky one for sure, everyone's "offence" levels are different so next to impossible to judge what's acceptable and what's not.

Regarding the case in today's paper, not really a police matter, I'm pretty sure they have better things to do with their time.

I believe the ladies case would have been better served by reporting it to the site manager, not the police.

If she felt so intimidated that she felt it impossible to walk into the site office I'm sure there were plenty of signs up with the site phone number.

In this instance, mountain molehill.

ah there speaks a man who has never walked a mile in a woman's shoes

You don't know that I haven't. But for the sake of clarification, I haven't.

I'm not for one minute suggesting this was anything other than improper behavior or in any way acceptable.

Merely that by making it a police matter was making a mountain out of a molehill.

The site manager would most likely have taken a very dim view of the behaviors of his workforce.

Thankfully attitudes in the construction industry are changing, maybe not quick enough for some, but it's nothing like it was even 10 years ago.

Most building sites now participate in a considerate contractor programme which clearly display phone numbers and names for the general public to use in cases like this."

it was your mountain out of a molehill comment that prompted mine. It would be very difficult for a woman who felt demeaned and humiliated to report that to the source of the problem. It might be a molehill to you but its a mountain to her and not in my opinion of her making.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Any bloke stuck near a hen party should have some idea"

Just as bad and just as offensive in my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doesn't happen so much these days..

When I was younger..it used to make me feel uncomfortable. To the point of planning a different route, when I knew there was a gang of workies, there for several days..

Now I'm a little let's say more .. Bolshy.. I'm sure I'd handle it with dignity!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Any bloke stuck near a hen party should have some idea"

Now imagine that feeling that you have experienced a few times... but imagine the risk of that happening every day while in public. And then imagine that you're generally physically smaller and weaker than the people making the comments so if you don't give their desired reaction you're at real risk of physical harm. And then know that even if you move yourself away from that situation, the same situation could possibly play out in the place that you move to. And imagine it happening regularly from the age of about 13/14.

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By *ertiVogtsMan
over a year ago

Exeter

I've never been able to whistle.Probably a blessing in disguise..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's only a crime though if the person who is being whistled AT finds the person DOING the whistling ugly.

That's why you could never enforce it because fuck me, the local Police stations phone would be ringing off the hook.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a tricky one for sure, everyone's "offence" levels are different so next to impossible to judge what's acceptable and what's no

Regarding the case in today's paper, not really a police matter, I'm pretty sure they have better things to do with their time.

I believe the ladies case would have been better served by reporting it to the site manager, not the police.

If she felt so intimidated that she felt it impossible to walk into the site office I'm sure there were plenty of signs up with the site phone number.

In this instance, mountain molehill.

So basically it's her fault for being offended, not the men's for harassing her?

That is NOT what I said."

So when you said it was difficult to judge how easily someone was offended and that it was a mountain out of a mole hill what did you mean?

Would you be happy if people shouted abuse at you on a daily basis while innocently going about your business?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No, but it does automatically make the whistler a dickhead"

Agree x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seeing the story of the young lady being harassed on her way to work for nearly a month, there was a definite line crossed from a casual wolf whistle

Agree. That is no way acceptable behaviour.

Agreed. Too much of a bad thing. "

However the lady was being interviewed and she stated, that it's ok if she was on a night out with friends and a group of guy's in a pub or club to do it if the girls out for the night.

Errrr excuse me if it offensive when on way to work it should be equally as offensive as when out.

You can't pick and choose when you may deem it offensive.

Maybe the builders are an easy target?

I as a builder have bollocked many guy's for shouting at women and it is banned and a sackable offence on most site's.

Don't let a moronic minority tar us all with same brush.

I have been leared and wolf whistled by groups of women when working next to office's.

The ladies used to take their llunchtime on the grass outside to leer at us working on site nextdoor.

I was alot younger then

I agree she shouldn't be harassed but also think she can't pick and choose when it suit's her.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"No, but it does automatically make the whistler a dickhead

Agree x"

me too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's only a crime though if the person who is being whistled AT finds the person DOING the whistling ugly.

That's why you could never enforce it because fuck me, the local Police stations phone would be ringing off the hook.

If David Beckham and Brad Pitt wolf whistled at me i'd still tell them to fuck off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ahh fuck just noticed the title and can't change it! "
This is class Athena fair play. Ida love my sheep aye beaut. It's cos we're Welsh mun init. Xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

iv never found it intimidating or offensive, but then iv a big mouth and tend to shout back, i like the banter!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Any bloke stuck near a hen party should have some idea

So what do you think their desired reaction is?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's only a crime though if the person who is being whistled AT finds the person DOING the whistling ugly.

That's why you could never enforce it because fuck me, the local Police stations phone would be ringing off the hook.

No, it's equally offensive if I think they're fit as it is if I think they're ugly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's only a crime though if the person who is being whistled AT finds the person DOING the whistling ugly.

That's why you could never enforce it because fuck me, the local Police stations phone would be ringing off the hook.

If David Beckham and Brad Pitt wolf whistled at me i'd still tell them to fuck off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not at all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what do you think their desired reaction is?"

I'm not quite sure. Last time I was feeling ballsy and answered back 'fancy a fuck mate? right here, right now on the pavement?' the guy went bright red and didn't have much to say for himself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No, but it does automatically make the whistler a dickhead"

And your argument for this is?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what do you think their desired reaction is?

I'm not quite sure. Last time I was feeling ballsy and answered back 'fancy a fuck mate? right here, right now on the pavement?' the guy went bright red and didn't have much to say for himself."

this is the kind of attitude i give them, never had any issues, also laboured on a few sites, and apart from the sexist remarks about it being my job to make the tea, iv never found it anything but a good laugh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No, but it does automatically make the whistler a dickhead

And your argument for this is?"

Only dickheads feel the need to loudly comment on women's bodies in public?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No, but it does automatically make the whistler a dickhead

And your argument for this is?"

Only dickheads need to wolf whistle people? Seems pretty easy to follow for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't find it a good laugh. I find it intimidating, stressful and upsetting.

I also worked in a 'man's' career in both deep sea and warehouse logistics, and I didn't put up with 'banter' there either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a tricky one for sure, everyone's "offence" levels are different so next to impossible to judge what's acceptable and what's not.

Regarding the case in today's paper, not really a police matter, I'm pretty sure they have better things to do with their time.

I believe the ladies case would have been better served by reporting it to the site manager, not the police.

If she felt so intimidated that she felt it impossible to walk into the site office I'm sure there were plenty of signs up with the site phone number.

In this instance, mountain molehill.

ah there speaks a man who has never walked a mile in a woman's shoes

You don't know that I haven't. But for the sake of clarification, I haven't.

I'm not for one minute suggesting this was anything other than improper behavior or in any way acceptable.

Merely that by making it a police matter was making a mountain out of a molehill.

The site manager would most likely have taken a very dim view of the behaviors of his workforce.

Thankfully attitudes in the construction industry are changing, maybe not quick enough for some, but it's nothing like it was even 10 years ago.

Most building sites now participate in a considerate contractor programme which clearly display phone numbers and names for the general public to use in cases like this.

I don't think it's a problem of her making either.

I couldn't agree more that in this instance the lady was offended and uncomfortable and that's just not acceptable.

It's behavior like this that the considerate contractor programme is out there, to stop this kind of thing. If we don't use it, it will never work.

It's also anonymous, and in situations like this the workmen involved would have found themselves in deep doo doo.

Perhaps more should be done to empower women to feel comfortable in taking action to stamp this out.

We've just removed a contractor from site for something pretty similar. Skip driver tooting his horn and whistling to two women walking down the street.

And it was a man that reported him, not the women.

We're getting smarter ladies, really we are.

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over a year ago

"No, but it does automatically make the whistler a dickhead

And your argument for this is?"

What's your argument that it doesn't?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't find it a good laugh. I find it intimidating, stressful and upsetting.

I also worked in a 'man's' career in both deep sea and warehouse logistics, and I didn't put up with 'banter' there either."

must just be my sense of humour then, because i prefer working with men, than women, banter is better than the bitchyness iv had to endure in female dominated enviroments.

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over a year ago

So what do you think their desired reaction is?

I'm not quite sure. Last time I was feeling ballsy and answered back 'fancy a fuck mate? right here, right now on the pavement?' the guy went bright red and didn't have much to say for himself."

So how can you be at risk of physical harm if you don't know what the desired reaction is?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Love a good back peddle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what do you think their desired reaction is?

I'm not quite sure. Last time I was feeling ballsy and answered back 'fancy a fuck mate? right here, right now on the pavement?' the guy went bright red and didn't have much to say for himself.

So how can you be at risk of physical harm if you don't know what the desired reaction is?"

You can FEEL at risk of physical harm even if you don't know what the motivation is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No not a crime at all. Nothing wrong with a whistle. Be saying its a crime to say hi next

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what do you think their desired reaction is?

I'm not quite sure. Last time I was feeling ballsy and answered back 'fancy a fuck mate? right here, right now on the pavement?' the guy went bright red and didn't have much to say for himself.

So how can you be at risk of physical harm if you don't know what the desired reaction is?"

Because women in the past have been attacked physically because they've snubbed the wolf-whistler?

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands

"No, but it does automatically make the whistler a dickhead

And your argument for this is?

Only dickheads feel the need to loudly comment on women's bodies in public?"

How nieve

And ridiculous

I'm always flattered frankly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No, but it does automatically make the whistler a dickhead

And your argument for this is?

Only dickheads need to wolf whistle people? Seems pretty easy to follow for me. "

Pretty sweeping statement to make about a person. I appreciate some ladies don't like it, but some do. It's a sign of appreciation. I'm pretty sure most blokes do it to impress not to offend. Failing to achieve that effect obviously.

And no I don't do it before you ask.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No, but it does automatically make the whistler a dickhead

And your argument for this is?

What's your argument that it doesn't? "

See above

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I personally think it's a way of telling the lady's they're hot!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How nieve

And ridiculous

I'm always flattered frankly

Good for you. Many of us are not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I personally think it's a way of telling the lady's they're hot!

Do you think they want your opinion on their bodies?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No, but it does automatically make the whistler a dickhead

And your argument for this is?

Only dickheads need to wolf whistle people? Seems pretty easy to follow for me.

And no I don't do it before you ask.

If they think the way to impress a woman is to whistle at her or shout loudly in the street, then yeah they're a dickhead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No, but it does automatically make the whistler a dickhead

And your argument for this is?

Only dickheads need to wolf whistle people? Seems pretty easy to follow for me.

And no I don't do it before you ask.

Is it not a sweeping generalisation to say most mean do it to impress?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

just because something makes someone feel uncomfortable, doesn't mean it's harassment or a crime

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

Just a wolf whistle doesn't bother me at all i don't even acknowledge it when it happens.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what do you think their desired reaction is?

I'm not quite sure. Last time I was feeling ballsy and answered back 'fancy a fuck mate? right here, right now on the pavement?' the guy went bright red and didn't have much to say for himself.

So how can you be at risk of physical harm if you don't know what the desired reaction is?

Because women in the past have been attacked physically because they've snubbed the wolf-whistler?"

Really? I doubt you could cite a case

And what makes you think a guy wolf whistling equates to him wanting to fuck you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"just because something makes someone feel uncomfortable, doesn't mean it's harassment or a crime "

Google defines sexual harassment as:

"harassment (typically of a woman) in a workplace, or other professional or social situation, involving the making of unwanted sexual advances or obscene remark"

I'd suggest that in most cases a wolf whistle is either a sexual advance or an obscene remark. I'd also suggest that it's mostly unwanted.

So how is it *not* sexual harassment?

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands

"How nieve

And ridiculous

I'm always flattered frankly

Good for you. Many of us are not."

Oh but I bet these same women who are not, will ogle and comment on men And women that they like the look of

Some of the worst offenders of verbal sexual inappropriate behaviour I've witnessed have been women

Because men are too scared To do it

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over a year ago

Really? I doubt you could cite a case

And what makes you think a guy wolf whistling equates to him wanting to fuck you?"

I've personally been grabbed by the arm after asking someone not to wolf whistle at me in the street and told I was ugly anyway. It happened on a Friday or Saturday evening outside a pub.

Why would a man wolf-whistle if he *didn't* find you sexually attractive? The only other answer I can come up with is that he wants to intimidate and upset someone - which I don't think is actually any better.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what do you think their desired reaction is?

I'm not quite sure. Last time I was feeling ballsy and answered back 'fancy a fuck mate? right here, right now on the pavement?' the guy went bright red and didn't have much to say for himself.

So how can you be at risk of physical harm if you don't know what the desired reaction is?

Because women in the past have been attacked physically because they've snubbed the wolf-whistler?

Really? I doubt you could cite a case

And what makes you think a guy wolf whistling equates to him wanting to fuck you?"

Why is he whistling then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"just because something makes someone feel uncomfortable, doesn't mean it's harassment or a crime "

So what is it?

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over a year ago

Oh but I bet these same women who are not, will ogle and comment on men And women that they like the look of

Some of the worst offenders of verbal sexual inappropriate behaviour I've witnessed have been women

Because men are too scared To do it "

I would not personally do that and I don't believe it is right for people to do that.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands

"just because something makes someone feel uncomfortable, doesn't mean it's harassment or a crime

Google defines sexual harassment as:

"harassment (typically of a woman) in a workplace, or other professional or social situation, involving the making of unwanted sexual advances or obscene remark"

I'd suggest that in most cases a wolf whistle is either a sexual advance or an obscene remark. I'd also suggest that it's mostly unwanted.

So how is it *not* sexual harassment?"

It's a whistle

That's all

A sound

Not "get your tits out for the lads"

Clearly there is an obvious difference!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How nieve

And ridiculous

I'm always flattered frankly

Good for you. Many of us are not.

Oh but I bet these same women who are not, will ogle and comment on men And women that they like the look of

Some of the worst offenders of verbal sexual inappropriate behaviour I've witnessed have been women

Because men are too scared To do it "

If it's inappropriate when women do it (and I agree, it is) then why isn't it inappropriate when men do it? I would never shout at a man in the street if I found them attractive, and I don't expect them to do it to me. Just because someone else likes it doesn't mean I have to.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands

Oh but I bet these same women who are not, will ogle and comment on men And women that they like the look of

Some of the worst offenders of verbal sexual inappropriate behaviour I've witnessed have been women

Because men are too scared To do it

I would not personally do that and I don't believe it is right for people to do that."

I don't swing either but I don't stop people who do from doing it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"just because something makes someone feel uncomfortable, doesn't mean it's harassment or a crime

Google defines sexual harassment as:

"harassment (typically of a woman) in a workplace, or other professional or social situation, involving the making of unwanted sexual advances or obscene remark"

I'd suggest that in most cases a wolf whistle is either a sexual advance or an obscene remark. I'd also suggest that it's mostly unwanted.

So how is it *not* sexual harassment?

It's a whistle

That's all

A sound

Not "get your tits out for the lads"

Clearly there is an obvious difference! "

Technically 'get your tits out for the lads' is just a sound made by a voice box. But, you know.

Perhaps you could also argue that harassment text messages are 'just pixels', for example?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok..I HAVE done it.

But I knew the person in question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How nieve

And ridiculous

I'm always flattered frankly

Good for you. Many of us are not.

Oh but I bet these same women who are not, will ogle and comment on men And women that they like the look of

Some of the worst offenders of verbal sexual inappropriate behaviour I've witnessed have been women

Because men are too scared To do it "

So it's inappropriate when it's a wpman but flattering when it's a man?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Ahh fuck just noticed the title and can't change it!

Wouldn't worry, I started a thread, about club attire.. Told everyone I was thinking of wearing my hotpot.. Oh the joys! Pmsl"

Did anyone offer to lick it all off for you? (rhetorical)

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

Invariably it's more than one guy, poor things need group support to mask their sexual insecurities.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what do you think their desired reaction is?

I'm not quite sure. Last time I was feeling ballsy and answered back 'fancy a fuck mate? right here, right now on the pavement?' the guy went bright red and didn't have much to say for himself.

So how can you be at risk of physical harm if you don't know what the desired reaction is?

Because women in the past have been attacked physically because they've snubbed the wolf-whistler?

Really? I doubt you could cite a case

And what makes you think a guy wolf whistling equates to him wanting to fuck you?

Why is he whistling then? "

Why does my dog chase bicycles?

Get a grip girls, a whistle is nothing but appreciation or a compliment end of

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ahh fuck just noticed the title and can't change it!

Wouldn't worry, I started a thread, about club attire.. Told everyone I was thinking of wearing my hotpot.. Oh the joys! Pmsl

Did anyone offer to lick it all off for you? (rhetorical) "

No but a lady was extremely disappointed when we met, I wasn't donning this attire

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands

"How nieve

And ridiculous

I'm always flattered frankly

Good for you. Many of us are not.

Oh but I bet these same women who are not, will ogle and comment on men And women that they like the look of

Some of the worst offenders of verbal sexual inappropriate behaviour I've witnessed have been women

Because men are too scared To do it

So it's inappropriate when it's a wpman but flattering when it's a man?"

No I'm saying women do it these days

Men are told it's inappropriate

I think it's fine whoever does it

People will be asking for farting in public to be banned next because that's so called offensive

It's all political correctness bollocks in my opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"just because something makes someone feel uncomfortable, doesn't mean it's harassment or a crime

Google defines sexual harassment as:

"harassment (typically of a woman) in a workplace, or other professional or social situation, involving the making of unwanted sexual advances or obscene remark"

I'd suggest that in most cases a wolf whistle is either a sexual advance or an obscene remark. I'd also suggest that it's mostly unwanted.

So how is it *not* sexual harassment?"

umm no.. harassment is means by definition the use of AGGRESSIVE pressure and/or intimidation. Wolf whistling whilst crude and unimaginative isn't either of these things

suggesting wolf whistling is sexual harassment is a bit of insult to those who suffer genuine sexual harassment in my opinon

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands

So what do you think their desired reaction is?

I'm not quite sure. Last time I was feeling ballsy and answered back 'fancy a fuck mate? right here, right now on the pavement?' the guy went bright red and didn't have much to say for himself.

So how can you be at risk of physical harm if you don't know what the desired reaction is?

Because women in the past have been attacked physically because they've snubbed the wolf-whistler?

Really? I doubt you could cite a case

And what makes you think a guy wolf whistling equates to him wanting to fuck you?

Why is he whistling then?

Why does my dog chase bicycles?

Get a grip girls, a whistle is nothing but appreciation or a compliment end of

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is 'fabbing a photo' a kind of virtual wolf-whistle?

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over a year ago

Think it obviously depends on the receiver.. Some dig it some don't. I used to hate it, especially when accompanied, with heckling and lewd comments.. Now I'd be looking round to see who was the recipient. OH wow its me!!

Work it baby

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is 'fabbing a photo' a kind of virtual wolf-whistle?"

I was going to post the same thing about winking...

Which I've honestly NEVER done btw in my whole time on here.

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

"just because something makes someone feel uncomfortable, doesn't mean it's harassment or a crime

Google defines sexual harassment as:

"harassment (typically of a woman) in a workplace, or other professional or social situation, involving the making of unwanted sexual advances or obscene remark"

I'd suggest that in most cases a wolf whistle is either a sexual advance or an obscene remark. I'd also suggest that it's mostly unwanted.

So how is it *not* sexual harassment?

umm no.. harassment is means by definition the use of AGGRESSIVE pressure and/or intimidation. Wolf whistling whilst crude and unimaginative isn't either of these things

suggesting wolf whistling is sexual harassment is a bit of insult to those who suffer genuine sexual harassment in my opinon"

That can't be correct. No aggression is needed for it to be harassment. So a boss making sexually inappropriate remarks to their employee wouldn't be harassment then?

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over a year ago

Get a grip girls, a whistle is nothing but appreciation or a compliment end of

Taken shamelessly from elsewhere:

1. It’s alienating.

When a smile or nod to a stranger is again and again interpreted as an invitation for a crude remark about the tightness of your jeans, it begins to seem that even this most basic gesture of humanity isn’t extended to you.

2. It’s not actually about the person being catcalled.

Many times a person is insulted within 30 seconds of being called beautiful, just because that person didn’t respond to the initial “compliment” in a way that satisfied the catcaller.

3. It’s about control.

Catcalls are directives — Turn around! Come talk to me! Let me see that smile!— which assume at their most basic level an ownership of the woman being catcalled. These aren’t innocuous or playful requests; they are symptoms of entitlement, and messages that women don’t deserve control over their own bodies.

4. It’s embarrassing.

I don't need to explain this one.

5. It’s dehumanizing.

It is inevitable that men and women will find other men and women attractive, and often in the absence of any real interaction. What shifts a catcall from innocent and fleeting attraction to objectification in its purest form is the decision to act on it. A catcall reveals a disregard for the woman’s humanity, the possibility of her discomfort or irritation or fear, and signals that a woman is nothing more than her body or the ways in which she chooses to dress it.

6. It’s invasive.

By catcalling, harassers insert themselves into the personal space of the harassed: during her commute, her daily jog, her walk to brunch. This puts unwilling women on the defensive on a daily basis, where ignoring the comments isn’t seen as an absence of a reaction but instead a transgression, or justification for more verbal assaults.

7. It’s scary.

In September 2013, a 21-year-old man pulled his car up to a 14-year-old girl in Florida and offered her $200 to have sex with him. When she refused, she was grabbed, choked, tossed aside, and then run over multiple times. Luckily, she survived.

This is not an isolated incident. Throughout the country women have been stabbed, shot, and sexually assaulted for ignoring catcalls with alarming regularity.

8. It’s disempowering.

There’s still a good chunk of people who, unfortunately and surprisingly, don’t see the distinction between a compliment and harassment. A catcall is disempowering enough in itself — for making the person targeted feel violated, uncomfortable, or threatened — but it is doubly so when complaints about the catcall are silenced.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is 'fabbing a photo' a kind of virtual wolf-whistle?

I was going to post the same thing about winking...

Which I've honestly NEVER done btw in my whole time on here."

me neither *cough* ...walking away whistling (not THAT kind of whistle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is 'fabbing a photo' a kind of virtual wolf-whistle?"

No it's a virtual compliment

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over a year ago

If a man gets wolf whistled at by a group of females, he's very unlikely to feel intimidated or upset imo.

Many females would be, that is the point to be made here.

Back in the day it was acceptable but I thought our society had moved on, some of the comments on here suggest otherwise.

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

"It's a tricky one for sure, everyone's "offence" levels are different so next to impossible to judge what's acceptable and what's not.

Regarding the case in today's paper, not really a police matter, I'm pretty sure they have better things to do with their time.

I believe the ladies case would have been better served by reporting it to the site manager, not the police.

If she felt so intimidated that she felt it impossible to walk into the site office I'm sure there were plenty of signs up with the site phone number.

In this instance, mountain molehill."

No in the particular case the lady's way was also blocked by one of the workmen for a minute.

That turned it into sexual harassment.

The police warned the men as did the site foreman (management).

With regards to wolf whistles it depends on the circumstances. In most cases it is meant as a complement and most women used to take it as such.

People take things too seriously today.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is 'fabbing a photo' a kind of virtual wolf-whistle?

No it's a virtual compliment"

Not even a virtual 'phwoar'?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't find it a good laugh. I find it intimidating, stressful and upsetting.

I also worked in a 'man's' career in both deep sea and warehouse logistics, and I didn't put up with 'banter' there either.

must just be my sense of humour then, because i prefer working with men, than women, banter is better than the bitchyness iv had to endure in female dominated enviroments."

You and me both.. much of my younger working days were spent surrounded by guys and I would get the comments if I had to much rack as they put it on display... Or get back to the kitchen comments but I just took it as it was meant... Fun banter and certainly never took offence...

Had skittles once thrown down my top by one of the lads so I told him it was my turn and to turn Around and I'd aim for him...

I really can't see how it is sexual harassment but then I had plenty of people in my life growing up that would tap you across your rear when saying goodbye... And yet some celebs have got into to trouble for things like that now too

I prefer male dominated environments just as there is less bitching and its all harmless fun banter to me x

Oh and also having spent a long time in car clubs... Well that really can do be male chauvinist heaven. So guess I learned to hold my own.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is 'fabbing a photo' a kind of virtual wolf-whistle?

I was going to post the same thing about winking...

Which I've honestly NEVER done btw in my whole time on here."

No. Because you're not announcing to the world you've done it l, and it's not embarrassing or humiliating to receive one and have to keep on walking with your face burning, and you're not expecting a reaction from me, and I don't have to respond to it, and a photo uploaded to this site is designed to attract attention and many, many other things which make this a facetious comparison.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The worst women I've worked with in my life for work place bullying are the laddette, "I'm just one of the lads", "it's just banter" crowd.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Seeing the story of the young lady being harassed on her way to work for nearly a month, there was a definite line crossed from a casual wolf whistle

Agree. That is no way acceptable behaviour.

Agreed. Too much of a bad thing.

However the lady was being interviewed and she stated, that it's ok if she was on a night out with friends and a group of guy's in a pub or club to do it if the girls out for the night.

Errrr excuse me if it offensive when on way to work it should be equally as offensive as when out.

You can't pick and choose when you may deem it offensive.

Maybe the builders are an easy target?

I as a builder have bollocked many guy's for shouting at women and it is banned and a sackable offence on most site's.

Don't let a moronic minority tar us all with same brush.

I have been leared and wolf whistled by groups of women when working next to office's.

The ladies used to take their llunchtime on the grass outside to leer at us working on site nextdoor.

I was alot younger then

I agree she shouldn't be harassed but also think she can't pick and choose when it suit's her. "

I think she can actually; and that's the point. Some women on here have said quite clearly that they like it, other have said equally as clearly that they don't. For some it may well be the context in which it is done. I know for myself I find some things acceptable in some circumstances that I would not find acceptable in others.

I think that making all wolf whistling a crime is probably going a bit too far, however, if these men were to continue to wolf whistle this woman now, after she has made it clear that she does not want it then, in my opinion, it is definitely a form of harassment and something should be done to stop it.

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By *andy_tomMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton

Well if your whistling up a sheep , may be it should . Lmao ,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'll leave it here.

My bollocks have been kicked.

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over a year ago

to summarise, i don't think it's a serious issue and I believe a minority of women who don't particularly like it are forcing their preferences and insecurities on to others.

it is irrational to suggest that it should be illegal and in any case, it would be unenforceable and the act is a irrepressible phenomena

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over a year ago

"to summarise, i don't think it's a serious issue and I believe a minority of women who don't particularly like it are forcing their preferences and insecurities on to others.

it is irrational to suggest that it should be illegal and in any case, it would be unenforceable and the act is a irrepressible phenomena"

I don't believe it's a minority who dislike it. Just because not everyone speaks up against it doesn't mean they enjoy it. And I fail to see what insecurity has to do with it. Women disliking it are forcing their preferences onto who exactly? And the men whistling at women who dislike it aren't forcing their preference on anyone...?

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over a year ago

"to summarise, i don't think it's a serious issue and I believe a minority of women who don't particularly like it are forcing their preferences and insecurities on to others.

I think you will find that most women do not want to be catcalled in the street - be that wolf-whistles, words, or gestures.

I believe that SSH (Stop Street Harassment) did a survey on it some time ago, but I can't find the results right now.

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over a year ago

A range of women from a range of ages have said on this thread they don't like it. There's nothing to suggest that's not mirrored in the outside world. So maybe the men who do it should consider whether it's actually wanted before they do it.

And the women who enjoy it...you're more than welcome to my share.

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over a year ago

Tell the truth I don't think a lot about it .. I may smile that's it really .. I just pass and move on .

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"It's a tricky one for sure, everyone's "offence" levels are different so next to impossible to judge what's acceptable and what's not.

Regarding the case in today's paper, not really a police matter, I'm pretty sure they have better things to do with their time.

I believe the ladies case would have been better served by reporting it to the site manager, not the police.

If she felt so intimidated that she felt it impossible to walk into the site office I'm sure there were plenty of signs up with the site phone number.

In this instance, mountain molehill.

ah there speaks a man who has never walked a mile in a woman's shoes

You don't know that I haven't. But for the sake of clarification, I haven't.

I'm not for one minute suggesting this was anything other than improper behavior or in any way acceptable.

Merely that by making it a police matter was making a mountain out of a molehill.

The site manager would most likely have taken a very dim view of the behaviors of his workforce.

Thankfully attitudes in the construction industry are changing, maybe not quick enough for some, but it's nothing like it was even 10 years ago.

Most building sites now participate in a considerate contractor programme which clearly display phone numbers and names for the general public to use in cases like this.

I don't think it's a problem of her making either.

I couldn't agree more that in this instance the lady was offended and uncomfortable and that's just not acceptable.

It's behavior like this that the considerate contractor programme is out there, to stop this kind of thing. If we don't use it, it will never work.

It's also anonymous, and in situations like this the workmen involved would have found themselves in deep doo doo.

Perhaps more should be done to empower women to feel comfortable in taking action to stamp this out.

We've just removed a contractor from site for something pretty similar. Skip driver tooting his horn and whistling to two women walking down the street.

And it was a man that reported him, not the women.

We're getting smarter ladies, really we are."

I agree more should be done to empower women. We're getting there slowly.

I still want to see you walk a mile in women's shoes though, red stilettos for choice

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"to summarise, i don't think it's a serious issue and I believe a minority of women who don't particularly like it are forcing their preferences and insecurities on to others.

Thank goodness you prefaced your statements with "I think" and "I believe"

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"to summarise, i don't think it's a serious issue and I believe a minority of women who don't particularly like it are forcing their preferences and insecurities on to others.

it is irrational to suggest that it should be illegal and in any case, it would be unenforceable and the act is a irrepressible phenomena"

I don't know about insecurities but what I can say is that most of the women on here who are putting a pretty good case across for it not being acceptable don't come across to me as insecure women, quite the opposite in fact. Whilst still not convinced yet that it should be a crime I do think that we should not dismiss the opinions of those on the receiving end of this sort of this behaviour.

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over a year ago

I asked the women that work where I do. ( its a shared office) the under 30s all seemed to think it was rude.. the over 30s said it was harmless fun.. only one thought it was harassment.

Ironically it was the youngest that thought it was harassment.

Of course that's not a definitive answer.. but if my lady friends I've asked too... Most Saud they wished it happened more often as it made them feel good about themselves... So

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Is 'fabbing a photo' a kind of virtual wolf-whistle?"

no because I am putting semi clothed pictures of myself up for all members to see, not walking to the shop to get a loaf of bread. I am asking for it of you like, when I'm tootling down the road with a shopping list under my arm I'm not.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"to summarise, i don't think it's a serious issue and I believe a minority of women who don't particularly like it are forcing their preferences and insecurities on to others.

it is irrational to suggest that it should be illegal and in any case, it would be unenforceable and the act is a irrepressible phenomena

agreed! I don't think it should be a crime either and I am very far from insecure...maybe spending the years from 14 to 40 having hairy arsed barbarians shouting "oi oi darling get em out for the lads" in a very complimentary fashion has been character forming

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

Haven't read the whole thread but no I don't think it should be a sex crime

People who invade my personal space and breath down my neck in queues creep me out more than a wolf whistle ever could

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Haven't read the whole thread but no I don't think it should be a sex crime

People who invade my personal space and breath down my neck in queues creep me out more than a wolf whistle ever could"

now THAT should be a fixed penalty notice on a first offence if you ask me.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

"to summarise, i don't think it's a serious issue and I believe a minority of women who don't particularly like it are forcing their preferences and insecurities on to others.

it is irrational to suggest that it should be illegal and in any case, it would be unenforceable and the act is a irrepressible phenomena"

We all know that wolf whistles are usually accompanied by remarks, and as previously pointed out, seldom by a solitary male. More often than not the remarks are of an overt sexual nature.

The notion that some solitary guy whistles to acknowledge that a woman has 'a pretty dress on' or 'looks attractively intelligent' is risible.

That isn't the reality experienced by most woman

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Is 'fabbing a photo' a kind of virtual wolf-whistle?

I think it's time to go and fab some of your latest pics. l-) he he

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I asked the women that work where I do. ( its a shared office) the under 30s all seemed to think it was rude.. the over 30s said it was harmless fun.. only one thought it was harassment.

Ironically it was the youngest that thought it was harassment.

Of course that's not a definitive answer.. but if my lady friends I've asked too... Most Saud they wished it happened more often as it made them feel good about themselves... So

Either hopefully this tells us that attitudes are changing for the better in that women are prepared to challenge once-accepted norms; or that older women feel so starved of attention they'll take a compliment anywhere they can get it even if it isn't one. I'm rooting for the first.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Is 'fabbing a photo' a kind of virtual wolf-whistle?

I think it's time to go and fab some of your latest pics. l-) he he"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I reckon a whole less thought goes on by the whistler than by some of the whistlees.

I still think if it's intended as harrassment you've already got a case you can take to the police.

If it ain't intended that way I don't think it's worth too much analysis.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lol at those women who think they speak for all women. sit down have a glass of water and speak for yourself

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

"I asked the women that work where I do. ( its a shared office) the under 30s all seemed to think it was rude.. the over 30s said it was harmless fun.. only one thought it was harassment.

Ironically it was the youngest that thought it was harassment.

Of course that's not a definitive answer.. but if my lady friends I've asked too... Most Saud they wished it happened more often as it made them feel good about themselves... So

No it simple shows the older women are more level headed than the younger ones and can determine what is a threat and what is harmless fun.

Women display exactly the same behaviour when a lone man strays into their work enviroment.

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over a year ago

"I still think if it's intended as harrassment you've already got a case you can take to the police.

Do you think the boss who sexually harasses a junior member of staff intended it as harassment or a compliment?

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over a year ago

"I asked the women that work where I do. ( its a shared office) the under 30s all seemed to think it was rude.. the over 30s said it was harmless fun.. only one thought it was harassment.

Ironically it was the youngest that thought it was harassment.

Of course that's not a definitive answer.. but if my lady friends I've asked too... Most Saud they wished it happened more often as it made them feel good about themselves... So

Why's it ironic that younger people have a stronget view on this?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I asked the women that work where I do. ( its a shared office) the under 30s all seemed to think it was rude.. the over 30s said it was harmless fun.. only one thought it was harassment.

Ironically it was the youngest that thought it was harassment.

Of course that's not a definitive answer.. but if my lady friends I've asked too... Most Saud they wished it happened more often as it made them feel good about themselves... So

Why's it ironic that younger people have a stronget view on this? "

Maybe it's ironic because they have a better education in gender issues than the oldies?

Ok, I'm clutching at straws. I can't see the irony.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I reckon a whole less thought goes on by the whistler than by some of the whistlees.

I still think if it's intended as harrassment you've already got a case you can take to the police.

If it ain't intended that way I don't think it's worth too much analysis."

Maybe they should think a bit then, or will that be too difficult for them.

Point is you don't know how it's intended, you only know how you feel as a result of it.

I don't want it to be made a crime, I just want more men to stop being dickheads and doing it (and yes that also goes for gaggles of screeching women on hen dos too).

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

Good lord, I thought someone must be trying to pull the wool over my eyes letting me believe there could be 150 sheep-based puns.

No, It can't be a crime unless you have asked the person to stop and they persist.

Yes it could be considered sexist, or body-affirmation (as opposed to body-shaming)

Yes, most sites have a confidential phone number that you can call if you want to get it stopped.

No, a wolf-whistler is not about to rape and murder you, and to infer he is would be the sort of scaremongering that leads to women feeling unsafe on the streets.

No, you don't have to resort to putting pictures of yourself in the paper wearing a tight top and playing the victim when you're between modelling jobs. (Though what were we saying about no such thing as bad advertising?)

Mr ddc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"not at all. I find it very flattering tbh. makes me smile

Same here

Me too. Makes my day in either mode

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, It can't be a crime unless you have asked the person to stop and they persist.

No, that's not how crime works. If someone steals my car, for example, it's still a crime even if I didn't ask them not to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I asked the women that work where I do. ( its a shared office) the under 30s all seemed to think it was rude.. the over 30s said it was harmless fun.. only one thought it was harassment.

Ironically it was the youngest that thought it was harassment.

Of course that's not a definitive answer.. but if my lady friends I've asked too... Most Saud they wished it happened more often as it made them feel good about themselves... So

No it simple shows the older women are more level headed than the younger ones and can determine what is a threat and what is harmless fun.

Women display exactly the same behaviour when a lone man strays into their work enviroment."

Harmless fun....until it isn't. I'm 30, I'm not a child, if being level headed means putting up with a load of shit from moronic men while walking down the street (God forbid I might wear a skirt) then I'll stay hot headed thanks very much.

IF women display the same behaviour when a lone man strays into their work environment they shouldn't.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

No, It can't be a crime unless you have asked the person to stop and they persist.

No, that's not how crime works. If someone steals my car, for example, it's still a crime even if I didn't ask them not to."

That would be theft.

Harassment is different, sorry.

Similarly many of the examples about the workplace are not 'crimes'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wolf-whistling in public is soooooooo camp......

I mean uber-camp.... like the campiest camp thing a camp person could ever do to show just how utterly camp they really are......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I still think if it's intended as harrassment you've already got a case you can take to the police.

Do you think the boss who sexually harasses a junior member of staff intended it as harassment or a compliment?"

I think more details would be useful.

Was the boss sitting on his lap? Or revealing herself to him? Making comments about whether he'd like a cougar? Did she give him a saucy wink when he arrived at work? or grab his crotch while he made the tea? Did she talk about good he looked in his new uniform or complement him on how he interacts with the customers?

In other words I have no fucking idea.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, It can't be a crime unless you have asked the person to stop and they persist.

No, that's not how crime works. If someone steals my car, for example, it's still a crime even if I didn't ask them not to.

That would be theft.

Harassment is different, sorry.

Similarly many of the examples about the workplace are not 'crimes'."

You said that something can't be a crime unless you ask them to stop and they persist. Which is untrue. I gave an example that countered your theory.

Something can be harassment even if you don't ask them to stop. Sometimes you cannot ask them to stop for various reasons.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

I don't know what Ealing film world some people inhabit, but how many experience a wolf whistle from a solitary guy, unaccompanied by remarks of sexual nature?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No, but it does automatically make the whistler a dickhead"

Couldn't agree more, I don't think it should be a crime at the end of the day it is a compliment even if its an unwelcome compliment, it is rather a child thing to do though and hardly going to make most women ask them out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't know what Ealing film world some people inhabit, but how many experience a wolf whistle from a solitary guy, unaccompanied by remarks of sexual nature?"

I don't know, but I'd like to live there

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

No, It can't be a crime unless you have asked the person to stop and they persist.

No, that's not how crime works. If someone steals my car, for example, it's still a crime even if I didn't ask them not to.

That would be theft.

Harassment is different, sorry.

Similarly many of the examples about the workplace are not 'crimes'.

You said that something can't be a crime unless you ask them to stop and they persist. Which is untrue. I gave an example that countered your theory.

Something can be harassment even if you don't ask them to stop. Sometimes you cannot ask them to stop for various reasons."

By 'it' I was referring to the thread title, 'wolf-whistling', the only potential charge could be Harassment, which does, I believe, require the complainant to demonstrate that the offender persisted after being asked to stop.

I don't write the laws, I just offer my interpretation.

I think the logic is thus:

We all know it is wrong to steal we all know it is wrong to kill. But we feel that if society tells young men that casual sexism is acceptable in certain circumstances, the man on the clapham omnibus would be unlikely to convict simply because he was unlucky enough to get it wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would this be a bad time to get back to sheep jokes - or give a little whistle?

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over a year ago

I don't write the laws, I just offer my interpretation."

When I asked the police what I should do about my ex sending me letters in the post and facebook messages, I was told simply to ignore him and if it got too much we could look at harassment charges.

I was never once instructed to ask him not to send me correspondence.

So I believe that no, you don't have to ask someone to stop for it to be harassment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

wheeeeeeeeeeet-whoooooooooooooo

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

"I don't know what Ealing film world some people inhabit, but how many experience a wolf whistle from a solitary guy, unaccompanied by remarks of sexual nature?

I don't know, but I'd like to live there

Oh it's lovely, guys compliment you on your hair catching the light of the early morning sun as you trip lightly pass the scaffolding, or enquire as to the possibility of sharing an ice cream soda later that evening, and hopefully walk you back to your parents house.

It's really, really awfully nice

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over a year ago

"I don't know what Ealing film world some people inhabit, but how many experience a wolf whistle from a solitary guy, unaccompanied by remarks of sexual nature?

I don't know, but I'd like to live there "

It's really, really awfully nice "

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"Would this be a bad time to get back to sheep jokes"

No, no-one wool appreciate ewe lambasting them with sheep-based puns now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

baaaaaaaaad timing?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I don't mind the odd wolf whistle, I had one this norning on the way back from walking my daughter to school. These were road works men who put their sign up to stop the traffic for me to cross the road but then whistled as I was walking away. I the spotted my mum and shouted "O Mam, Mammy, where you off 'en?" On hearing that they would know I sound more rough and manly than any of them!

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