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"I'm not sure which particular sick basatrd but prison and/or rehabilitation seem the obvious answer" The ones that were targeting very young children and babies. | |||
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"Prison and Rehabilitation. I will never join in the baying wolves brigade that would inflict illegal activities, usually bluster. " | |||
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"Just seen those sick bastards on the news. If you could choose their punishment what would it be?" Me too!!!! Grrrrr!!! Boils my blood!!! | |||
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"Cut off their testicles, gouge out their eyeballs, then insert the testicles into their eye sockets, put the eyeballs in their scrotum then sew the scrotum back up. Then slowly remove their skin with a cheese grater, sauté it gently in a pan full of butter for 10 minutes, hold it under their nose, then 'accidentally' drop it on the floor just when their mouths start watering - ha! Then cover them in salt and vinegar and massage them with sandpaper, getting fresh bits each time one gets gummed up with blood and bits of shredded muscle tissue, all whilst forcing them to listen to the libertines on repeat. ...actually forget that last bit, I wouldn't want people thinking I was some sort of sicko." I second that punishment! Only thing id swap is the libertines....lets go with sinead oconnor instead. | |||
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"An interesting one is that the child abuse we're all thinking about is british law. Other countries _iew young marriage as acceptable. I might be wrong is it the bulgarians and romanians coming over here getting there kids put in care as the laws of there land allow younger marriages. Now is that child abuse or our british minds saying its wrong when there countries say its ok. No i dont condone it just interesting how we think our rules are above anothers country. Sorry to digress " Romanians and bulgarians dont allow childhood marriage! | |||
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"An interesting one is that the child abuse we're all thinking about is british law. Other countries _iew young marriage as acceptable. I might be wrong is it the bulgarians and romanians coming over here getting there kids put in care as the laws of there land allow younger marriages. Now is that child abuse or our british minds saying its wrong when there countries say its ok. No i dont condone it just interesting how we think our rules are above anothers country. Sorry to digress Romanians and bulgarians dont allow childhood marriage!" And so they shouldn't. No need to it in this day and age! I got married in my late twenties and still fucked up! | |||
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"An interesting one is that the child abuse we're all thinking about is british law. Other countries _iew young marriage as acceptable. I might be wrong is it the bulgarians and romanians coming over here getting there kids put in care as the laws of there land allow younger marriages. Now is that child abuse or our british minds saying its wrong when there countries say its ok. No i dont condone it just interesting how we think our rules are above anothers country. Sorry to digress Romanians and bulgarians dont allow childhood marriage!" Google is your friend guess the docs and tv articles of broadsheets lie | |||
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"Prison is too good for them! They should be mentally and physically tortured." And that makes you better than them how? | |||
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"An interesting one is that the child abuse we're all thinking about is british law. Other countries _iew young marriage as acceptable. I might be wrong is it the bulgarians and romanians coming over here getting there kids put in care as the laws of there land allow younger marriages. Now is that child abuse or our british minds saying its wrong when there countries say its ok. No i dont condone it just interesting how we think our rules are above anothers country. Sorry to digress Romanians and bulgarians dont allow childhood marriage! Google is your friend guess the docs and tv articles of broadsheets lie" my sisters friend is a teacher at a secondary school in Accrington, they " lose" lots of 14/15 year old Romanian gypsy girls each year through pregnancy never to be heard of again | |||
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"Just seen those sick bastards on the news. If you could choose their punishment what would it be?" Prison. We're a civilised country. | |||
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"An interesting one is that the child abuse we're all thinking about is british law. Other countries _iew young marriage as acceptable. I might be wrong is it the bulgarians and romanians coming over here getting there kids put in care as the laws of there land allow younger marriages. Now is that child abuse or our british minds saying its wrong when there countries say its ok. No i dont condone it just interesting how we think our rules are above anothers country. Sorry to digress Romanians and bulgarians dont allow childhood marriage! Google is your friend guess the docs and tv articles of broadsheets lie" God no. Tv and newspapers dont lie. How wrong of me to suggest something so down right silly!!!! | |||
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"An interesting one is that the child abuse we're all thinking about is british law. Other countries _iew young marriage as acceptable. I might be wrong is it the bulgarians and romanians coming over here getting there kids put in care as the laws of there land allow younger marriages. Now is that child abuse or our british minds saying its wrong when there countries say its ok. No i dont condone it just interesting how we think our rules are above anothers country. Sorry to digress Romanians and bulgarians dont allow childhood marriage! Google is your friend guess the docs and tv articles of broadsheets lie God no. Tv and newspapers dont lie. How wrong of me to suggest something so down right silly!!!! " Ok try nspcc. Read love. Question and debate then read more | |||
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"Prison and Rehabilitation. I will never join in the baying wolves brigade that would inflict illegal activities, usually bluster. " Well said View, I agree totally. Many of the posts on here are as pathetic as they are unpleasent. I hear the baying lynch mob is popular in the middle east, you can even join in a stoning or equally barbaric execution. | |||
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"i'd slowly bleed them out but before they were close to death i would heal them and do it over and over untill they begged for death, then i'd do it all over again and again. They waste valuable oxygen other good people could use." Really, I man would you really be capable of doing that to another person, when actually faced with it I'm guessing not | |||
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"An interesting one is that the child abuse we're all thinking about is british law. Other countries _iew young marriage as acceptable. I might be wrong is it the bulgarians and romanians coming over here getting there kids put in care as the laws of there land allow younger marriages. Now is that child abuse or our british minds saying its wrong when there countries say its ok. No i dont condone it just interesting how we think our rules are above anothers country. Sorry to digress Romanians and bulgarians dont allow childhood marriage! Google is your friend guess the docs and tv articles of broadsheets liemy sisters friend is a teacher at a secondary school in Accrington, they " lose" lots of 14/15 year old Romanian gypsy girls each year through pregnancy never to be heard of again " Romanian gypsy? No such thing. There is either romanian or gyspy. Not romanian gypsy. And id say most poor areas "loose" lots of young girls due to pregnancy. | |||
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"Prison and Rehabilitation. I will never join in the baying wolves brigade that would inflict illegal activities, usually bluster. Well said View, I agree totally. Many of the posts on here are as pathetic as they are unpleasent. I hear the baying lynch mob is popular in the middle east, you can even join in a stoning or equally barbaric execution. " I agree too Funny how people want to inflict pain on those who inflict pain, does that make you any better than those you are punishing, in my eyes no | |||
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"Prison and Rehabilitation. I will never join in the baying wolves brigade that would inflict illegal activities, usually bluster. Well said View, I agree totally. Many of the posts on here are as pathetic as they are unpleasent. I hear the baying lynch mob is popular in the middle east, you can even join in a stoning or equally barbaric execution. I agree too Funny how people want to inflict pain on those who inflict pain, does that make you any better than those you are punishing, in my eyes no" | |||
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"An interesting one is that the child abuse we're all thinking about is british law. Other countries _iew young marriage as acceptable. I might be wrong is it the bulgarians and romanians coming over here getting there kids put in care as the laws of there land allow younger marriages. Now is that child abuse or our british minds saying its wrong when there countries say its ok. No i dont condone it just interesting how we think our rules are above anothers country. Sorry to digress Romanians and bulgarians dont allow childhood marriage! Google is your friend guess the docs and tv articles of broadsheets liemy sisters friend is a teacher at a secondary school in Accrington, they " lose" lots of 14/15 year old Romanian gypsy girls each year through pregnancy never to be heard of again Romanian gypsy? No such thing. There is either romanian or gyspy. Not romanian gypsy. And id say most poor areas "loose" lots of young girls due to pregnancy. " she should know she teachers them. Are you a teacher at a secondary school in Accrington? If so you will know of the problem | |||
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"Prison and Rehabilitation. I will never join in the baying wolves brigade that would inflict illegal activities, usually bluster. Well said View, I agree totally. Many of the posts on here are as pathetic as they are unpleasent. I hear the baying lynch mob is popular in the middle east, you can even join in a stoning or equally barbaric execution. I agree too Funny how people want to inflict pain on those who inflict pain, does that make you any better than those you are punishing, in my eyes no" I certainly agree with removing them from society but even a wet lefty liberal like me wonders if rehabilitation is ever an option in these types of cases. | |||
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"Something like that would turn me into a very twisted person . To think of a punishment capable of even getting close to redeeming what they have done would be impossible . Whatever would be done to them would never ever give back what they have done and taken . To the point of smashing fingers with a hammer , nailing their knee caps , burning eyes out , cutting limb off after limb with a blunt object ...... It does put twisted ideas into your head , but is it worth thinking about ? I have children of my own whom I love dearly . God forbid anyone lays a finger on a hair of their head . By the way I'm not a nasty person . Just a loving father . " I think prison , does that mean I love my children less than you ? | |||
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"Just seen those sick bastards on the news. If you could choose their punishment what would it be?" Put them on the front line of which ever war we are involved in at the time, maybe that way we would save more brave soldiers lives from friendly fire | |||
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"and do they all get this horrid ending... those that look at illegal images that are fuelling others to abuse, those who have touched an underage person inappropriately, someone who has raped an underage person, or multiple offenders..." Nah mate. Working in this sector with some hardcore. The institutions make money from them. Its why i left. When i started in mh it was mostly psychopaths who'd take your head off with a hammer. Then the companies saw more money in child sex offenders. Less work more dollar. A group of us had even been followed in the name and shame by the sun. Threatened if we spoke to them we'd lose or jobs. Fair enough signed a silencing act. One that always shocked me was sun go ooh paedos but middle page look at this arse itll be 16 in 5 weeks. We'll run a countdown | |||
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"Use them to test medicines/drugs on whilst in a prison hospital" this. they are of no use to society other than test mules. They wont be rehabilitated and its too much of a risk to assume they will be. | |||
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"I wonder how many of those calling for punishments that including torture or the death penalty would actually be willing to personally administer that torture or personally carry out the implementation of the death penalty on someone convicted in a court of law... " You mean...the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword? | |||
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"Since many were abused themselves, I don't know. We all feel anger and hatred." thats bollox im afraid. my ex was a screw and she said from reading files and talking to shrinks etc that the "i was a victim" excuse was a stock answer. if youve been thru that you dont then inflict it. as for rehab..... no such thin for nonces. thats like saying to the giy in the pub we are going to stop you liking blondes or a woman that after treatment you wont like muscular guys. kids is what nonces find attractive and you CANT change that way if thinking for them. so for me id put their bollox in a red hot deep fat fryer with their hands so they wouldnt be able to get hold of a kid again | |||
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"Since many were abused themselves, I don't know. We all feel anger and hatred. thats bollox im afraid. my ex was a screw and she said from reading files and talking to shrinks etc that the "i was a victim" excuse was a stock answer. if youve been thru that you dont then inflict it. as for rehab..... no such thin for nonces. thats like saying to the giy in the pub we are going to stop you liking blondes or a woman that after treatment you wont like muscular guys. kids is what nonces find attractive and you CANT change that way if thinking for them. so for me id put their bollox in a red hot deep fat fryer with their hands so they wouldnt be able to get hold of a kid again" Even your own child if he/she is the abuser? | |||
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"I wonder how many of those calling for punishments that including torture or the death penalty would actually be willing to personally administer that torture or personally carry out the implementation of the death penalty on someone convicted in a court of law... You mean...the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword?" No I never said that...... I said I wonder who amongst those calling for torture or the death penalty would be willing to administer those punishments in person.... rather than expecting someone else too do it ... | |||
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"Since many were abused themselves, I don't know. We all feel anger and hatred. thats bollox im afraid. my ex was a screw and she said from reading files and talking to shrinks etc that the "i was a victim" excuse was a stock answer. if youve been thru that you dont then inflict it. as for rehab..... no such thin for nonces. thats like saying to the giy in the pub we are going to stop you liking blondes or a woman that after treatment you wont like muscular guys. kids is what nonces find attractive and you CANT change that way if thinking for them. so for me id put their bollox in a red hot deep fat fryer with their hands so they wouldnt be able to get hold of a kid again Even your own child if he/she is the abuser?" even more so | |||
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"I wonder how many of those calling for punishments that including torture or the death penalty would actually be willing to personally administer that torture or personally carry out the implementation of the death penalty on someone convicted in a court of law... You mean...the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword?" I think he's saying of all these on here baying for blood how many would actually be willing to spill it I know I couldn't, I couldn't take the life of anyone unless I was in a situation where it was me or them and even then I'd probably die | |||
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"Since many were abused themselves, I don't know. We all feel anger and hatred. thats bollox im afraid. my ex was a screw and she said from reading files and talking to shrinks etc that the "i was a victim" excuse was a stock answer. if youve been thru that you dont then inflict it. as for rehab..... no such thin for nonces. thats like saying to the giy in the pub we are going to stop you liking blondes or a woman that after treatment you wont like muscular guys. kids is what nonces find attractive and you CANT change that way if thinking for them. so for me id put their bollox in a red hot deep fat fryer with their hands so they wouldnt be able to get hold of a kid again Even your own child if he/she is the abuser? even more so" You'd kill your own child??? | |||
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"I wonder how many of those calling for punishments that including torture or the death penalty would actually be willing to personally administer that torture or personally carry out the implementation of the death penalty on someone convicted in a court of law... You mean...the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword? I think he's saying of all these on here baying for blood how many would actually be willing to spill it" That was pretty much how I interpreted the Game of Thrones quote, do your own bloody work. | |||
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"Since many were abused themselves, I don't know. We all feel anger and hatred. thats bollox im afraid. my ex was a screw and she said from reading files and talking to shrinks etc that the "i was a victim" excuse was a stock answer. if youve been thru that you dont then inflict it. as for rehab..... no such thin for nonces. thats like saying to the giy in the pub we are going to stop you liking blondes or a woman that after treatment you wont like muscular guys. kids is what nonces find attractive and you CANT change that way if thinking for them. so for me id put their bollox in a red hot deep fat fryer with their hands so they wouldnt be able to get hold of a kid again" So basically your saying you'd fry someone alive for something they have no control over | |||
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"Prison is too good for them! They should be mentally and physically tortured." | |||
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"Something like that would turn me into a very twisted person . To think of a punishment capable of even getting close to redeeming what they have done would be impossible . Whatever would be done to them would never ever give back what they have done and taken . To the point of smashing fingers with a hammer , nailing their knee caps , burning eyes out , cutting limb off after limb with a blunt object ...... It does put twisted ideas into your head , but is it worth thinking about ? I have children of my own whom I love dearly . God forbid anyone lays a finger on a hair of their head . By the way I'm not a nasty person . Just a loving father . I think prison , does that mean I love my children less than you ? " Far from it . That's your 2 pence worth and that was mine . | |||
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"Since many were abused themselves, I don't know. We all feel anger and hatred. thats bollox im afraid. my ex was a screw and she said from reading files and talking to shrinks etc that the "i was a victim" excuse was a stock answer. if youve been thru that you dont then inflict it. as for rehab..... no such thin for nonces. thats like saying to the giy in the pub we are going to stop you liking blondes or a woman that after treatment you wont like muscular guys. kids is what nonces find attractive and you CANT change that way if thinking for them. so for me id put their bollox in a red hot deep fat fryer with their hands so they wouldnt be able to get hold of a kid again Even your own child if he/she is the abuser? even more so You'd kill your own child??? " i didnt say kill. i said i would put hands and balls in deep fat fryer to stop then getting hold of kid again | |||
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"Touchy subject... All I can think of is if it happened to my child/sibling or I was to witness it... My emotions would get the better of me & a phyisical reaction would be forthcoming without remorse (even though i'd prob get done myself...fuck it) but ideally I'd prefer they lived as long as possible with a reminder of what they did & why they'll never do it again." You seen a french film called 7 days? Suggest it to all posting. Ends like...come on what happened but interesting film | |||
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"Since many were abused themselves, I don't know. We all feel anger and hatred. thats bollox im afraid. my ex was a screw and she said from reading files and talking to shrinks etc that the "i was a victim" excuse was a stock answer. if youve been thru that you dont then inflict it. as for rehab..... no such thin for nonces. thats like saying to the giy in the pub we are going to stop you liking blondes or a woman that after treatment you wont like muscular guys. kids is what nonces find attractive and you CANT change that way if thinking for them. so for me id put their bollox in a red hot deep fat fryer with their hands so they wouldnt be able to get hold of a kid again So basically your saying you'd fry someone alive for something they have no control over " ok. they have no control. course they do. just cuz they want to do summat does . not mean they should do it. they know its wrong and still do it. how about the kids who have no control over what these twised bastards do to them. if frazzling their hands and balls stop them offending then yea id do it without a fucking blink | |||
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"Touchy subject... All I can think of is if it happened to my child/sibling or I was to witness it... My emotions would get the better of me & a phyisical reaction would be forthcoming without remorse (even though i'd prob get done myself...fuck it) but ideally I'd prefer they lived as long as possible with a reminder of what they did & why they'll never do it again. You seen a french film called 7 days? Suggest it to all posting. Ends like...come on what happened but interesting film" Any film on a subject like this tends to get avoided by me...even more so when it ends like 'WTF Happened?' I'd only end up hunting down some poor actor who was brave enough to take on such a role! | |||
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"Since many were abused themselves, I don't know. We all feel anger and hatred. thats bollox im afraid. my ex was a screw and she said from reading files and talking to shrinks etc that the "i was a victim" excuse was a stock answer. if youve been thru that you dont then inflict it. as for rehab..... no such thin for nonces. thats like saying to the giy in the pub we are going to stop you liking blondes or a woman that after treatment you wont like muscular guys. kids is what nonces find attractive and you CANT change that way if thinking for them. so for me id put their bollox in a red hot deep fat fryer with their hands so they wouldnt be able to get hold of a kid again" Even by the standards of this thread that post is impressively uninformed | |||
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" ok. they have no control. course they do. just cuz they want to do summat does . not mean they should do it. they know its wrong and still do it. how about the kids who have no control over what these twised bastards do to them. if frazzling their hands and balls stop them offending then yea id do it without a fucking blink" Worked in the industry most child abusers i met were abusing by the age of 5 either brother sister or schoolground shit. Can't remember most kids knowing the birds and bees by then. So did they know it was right or wrong or feel that it was normal as a elder had told them? | |||
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"I wonder how many of those calling for punishments that including torture or the death penalty would actually be willing to personally administer that torture or personally carry out the implementation of the death penalty on someone convicted in a court of law... " I'd willingly do it. And I wouldn't charge either. | |||
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"Just put a bullet in them and save us all the money of wasting jail space on such low life forms" Total agreement. | |||
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"Well I've got to say, this thread is a really good resource for adding profile notes about who not to approach in the future. I have no space in my life for anyone who sees violence as a solution." And equally those unable to differentiate between justice and vengeance | |||
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"Touchy subject... All I can think of is if it happened to my child/sibling or I was to witness it... My emotions would get the better of me & a phyisical reaction would be forthcoming without remorse (even though i'd prob get done myself...fuck it) but ideally I'd prefer they lived as long as possible with a reminder of what they did & why they'll never do it again. You seen a french film called 7 days? Suggest it to all posting. Ends like...come on what happened but interesting film Any film on a subject like this tends to get avoided by me...even more so when it ends like 'WTF Happened?' I'd only end up hunting down some poor actor who was brave enough to take on such a role! " It ends up different what you want to know is did they prosecute the father? | |||
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"I don't know why they get released, it's an illness that they cannot cure. They need locked up and to stay locked up, they can't be changed, they are forever a threat to innocent children at all times Throw the key away" There have been many rehabilitation programmes with many success stories of those who have never gone on to reoffend after going through the programme. | |||
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"Since many were abused themselves, I don't know. We all feel anger and hatred. thats bollox im afraid. my ex was a screw and she said from reading files and talking to shrinks etc that the "i was a victim" excuse was a stock answer. if youve been thru that you dont then inflict it. as for rehab..... no such thin for nonces. thats like saying to the giy in the pub we are going to stop you liking blondes or a woman that after treatment you wont like muscular guys. kids is what nonces find attractive and you CANT change that way if thinking for them. so for me id put their bollox in a red hot deep fat fryer with their hands so they wouldnt be able to get hold of a kid again Even by the standards of this thread that post is impressively uninformed" please... go on | |||
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"Prison and Rehabilitation. I will never join in the baying wolves brigade that would inflict illegal activities, usually bluster. " | |||
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" ok. they have no control. course they do. just cuz they want to do summat does . not mean they should do it. they know its wrong and still do it. how about the kids who have no control over what these twised bastards do to them. if frazzling their hands and balls stop them offending then yea id do it without a fucking blink Worked in the industry most child abusers i met were abusing by the age of 5 either brother sister or schoolground shit. Can't remember most kids knowing the birds and bees by then. So did they know it was right or wrong or feel that it was normal as a elder had told them?" so as a kid they know no difference between right and wrong. does that excuse them as an adult when they learn the difference and still do it. cant cure what dont want to be cured.. and you also cant cure the incurable. as i say. fancying kids is the same as the next bloke fancying blondes.... its what they like and thats it. also the bullshit about them being victims.. a majority of them actually blame their victims for their own sick actions | |||
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"Since many were abused themselves, I don't know. We all feel anger and hatred. thats bollox im afraid. my ex was a screw and she said from reading files and talking to shrinks etc that the "i was a victim" excuse was a stock answer. if youve been thru that you dont then inflict it. as for rehab..... no such thin for nonces. thats like saying to the giy in the pub we are going to stop you liking blondes or a woman that after treatment you wont like muscular guys. kids is what nonces find attractive and you CANT change that way if thinking for them. so for me id put their bollox in a red hot deep fat fryer with their hands so they wouldnt be able to get hold of a kid again Even by the standards of this thread that post is impressively uninformed please... go on" Let me ask you something. Say you find blondes attractive. Like, really fucking hot. And you're only interested in blondes. Do you have to have sex with every blonde woman you see? Because that's rape. I expect you don't feel the need to have sex with every blonde woman you see because you understand that having sex without consent is not ok. Finding someone attractive doesn't mean you're going to rape them. Someone who finds children attractive doesn't necessarily also rape children. Some people understand it is wrong and never have sex with anybody in their lives because they can control themselves. We cannot make thoughts into a crime. Which is good, because otherwise you'd be locked up for ABH according to your comments above about deep fat fryers. | |||
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"No i hold my hands up. I personally couldnt dish out any punishment. But it doesnt stop me wanting there to be more to a punishment than sitting in a nice warm room with a bed an pillows with access to tv, outside space, food 3 times a day without having to worry about how the bills get paid oh and then visits from family. and if it was my child/family/friend.....i would still say if they commited the crime then the punishment should be there yes. rehabilition does nothing these days. Nothing at all. " Rehabilitation works well the trouble is we don't ever hear the success stories because it doesn't make a good story. I've worked with schedule one offenders and seen a few being rehabilitated and not go on to reoffend. There are many programmes out there now to provide CBT and other therapies for schedule one offenders and it works. | |||
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"Prison and Rehabilitation. I will never join in the baying wolves brigade that would inflict illegal activities, usually bluster. " . Good post . People who committ these type of offences generally come from very sad backgrounds themselves and were probably brought up in an unstable environment . No balanced or sane individual would engage in these type of activities . The baying wolves brigade appear to be incapable of. helping the less fortunate in society and lack the intelligence to resolve issues . | |||
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"No i hold my hands up. I personally couldnt dish out any punishment. But it doesnt stop me wanting there to be more to a punishment than sitting in a nice warm room with a bed an pillows with access to tv, outside space, food 3 times a day without having to worry about how the bills get paid oh and then visits from family. and if it was my child/family/friend.....i would still say if they commited the crime then the punishment should be there yes. rehabilition does nothing these days. Nothing at all. Rehabilitation works well the trouble is we don't ever hear the success stories because it doesn't make a good story. I've worked with schedule one offenders and seen a few being rehabilitated and not go on to reoffend. There are many programmes out there now to provide CBT and other therapies for schedule one offenders and it works. " so you mean theyve not been CAUGHT re offending. dont mean theve not | |||
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"Since many were abused themselves, I don't know. We all feel anger and hatred. thats bollox im afraid. my ex was a screw and she said from reading files and talking to shrinks etc that the "i was a victim" excuse was a stock answer. if youve been thru that you dont then inflict it. as for rehab..... no such thin for nonces. thats like saying to the giy in the pub we are going to stop you liking blondes or a woman that after treatment you wont like muscular guys. kids is what nonces find attractive and you CANT change that way if thinking for them. so for me id put their bollox in a red hot deep fat fryer with their hands so they wouldnt be able to get hold of a kid again Even by the standards of this thread that post is impressively uninformed please... go on" I thought it was obvious. Your post is utter rubbish and has no basis in fact. As for your deep fat comment pathetic doesn't come close. What sort of sick mind even thinks about that? If you did it you'd be part of the problem not the solution | |||
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"No i hold my hands up. I personally couldnt dish out any punishment. But it doesnt stop me wanting there to be more to a punishment than sitting in a nice warm room with a bed an pillows with access to tv, outside space, food 3 times a day without having to worry about how the bills get paid oh and then visits from family. and if it was my child/family/friend.....i would still say if they commited the crime then the punishment should be there yes. rehabilition does nothing these days. Nothing at all. " . If you have either visited or been a member of a prison visitors scheme you would realise that being locked up is punishment in iitself . They are horrible places and I would hate to see the inside as a convict . Visiting itself is a gruesome experience . | |||
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"Since many were abused themselves, I don't know. We all feel anger and hatred. thats bollox im afraid. my ex was a screw and she said from reading files and talking to shrinks etc that the "i was a victim" excuse was a stock answer. if youve been thru that you dont then inflict it. as for rehab..... no such thin for nonces. thats like saying to the giy in the pub we are going to stop you liking blondes or a woman that after treatment you wont like muscular guys. kids is what nonces find attractive and you CANT change that way if thinking for them. so for me id put their bollox in a red hot deep fat fryer with their hands so they wouldnt be able to get hold of a kid again Even by the standards of this thread that post is impressively uninformed please... go on Let me ask you something. Say you find blondes attractive. Like, really fucking hot. And you're only interested in blondes. Do you have to have sex with every blonde woman you see? Because that's rape. I expect you don't feel the need to have sex with every blonde woman you see because you understand that having sex without consent is not ok. Finding someone attractive doesn't mean you're going to rape them. Someone who finds children attractive doesn't necessarily also rape children. Some people understand it is wrong and never have sex with anybody in their lives because they can control themselves. We cannot make thoughts into a crime. Which is good, because otherwise you'd be locked up for ABH according to your comments above about deep fat fryers." ok thats a fair point. but we arent talking about the ones who can contain themselves. its the ones that act out. most people wont know the ones who dont offend cuz theyre not exactly goingto sit in pub and say id love to fuck a kid tonight where i could say id love to fuck a leggy blonde or whatever. its the ones that are a danger that need the punishment. one kid abused will go on to make hundred more victims as most turn to drugs which then turns to burglary robbery etc so nonces dont just create one victim in long run | |||
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"No i hold my hands up. I personally couldnt dish out any punishment. But it doesnt stop me wanting there to be more to a punishment than sitting in a nice warm room with a bed an pillows with access to tv, outside space, food 3 times a day without having to worry about how the bills get paid oh and then visits from family. and if it was my child/family/friend.....i would still say if they commited the crime then the punishment should be there yes. rehabilition does nothing these days. Nothing at all. Rehabilitation works well the trouble is we don't ever hear the success stories because it doesn't make a good story. I've worked with schedule one offenders and seen a few being rehabilitated and not go on to reoffend. There are many programmes out there now to provide CBT and other therapies for schedule one offenders and it works. " . An interesting post and a lot more interesting than some of the ill informed comments on here . | |||
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"No i hold my hands up. I personally couldnt dish out any punishment. But it doesnt stop me wanting there to be more to a punishment than sitting in a nice warm room with a bed an pillows with access to tv, outside space, food 3 times a day without having to worry about how the bills get paid oh and then visits from family. and if it was my child/family/friend.....i would still say if they commited the crime then the punishment should be there yes. rehabilition does nothing these days. Nothing at all. Rehabilitation works well the trouble is we don't ever hear the success stories because it doesn't make a good story. I've worked with schedule one offenders and seen a few being rehabilitated and not go on to reoffend. There are many programmes out there now to provide CBT and other therapies for schedule one offenders and it works. so you mean theyve not been CAUGHT re offending. dont mean theve not" They are managed by the offender manager and also subject to,MAPPA and on sex offenders list police have to sign off housing. While SOME might go on to offend without being caught the majority who go through the programme DO NOT reoffend because they have insight into their behaviour and have a point of contact if they ever feel like they are going to offend.. | |||
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"over the years on here I have read so many threads where people have lambasted the police, the legal profession for miscarriages of justice..... and these are the same police and legal profession that people are now trusting in delivering a safe conviction that leads to someone be tortured to death......... what a load of shit" The same police force and legal system... | |||
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"Since many were abused themselves, I don't know. We all feel anger and hatred. thats bollox im afraid. my ex was a screw and she said from reading files and talking to shrinks etc that the "i was a victim" excuse was a stock answer. if youve been thru that you dont then inflict it. as for rehab..... no such thin for nonces. thats like saying to the giy in the pub we are going to stop you liking blondes or a woman that after treatment you wont like muscular guys. kids is what nonces find attractive and you CANT change that way if thinking for them. so for me id put their bollox in a red hot deep fat fryer with their hands so they wouldnt be able to get hold of a kid again Even by the standards of this thread that post is impressively uninformed please... go on Let me ask you something. Say you find blondes attractive. Like, really fucking hot. And you're only interested in blondes. Do you have to have sex with every blonde woman you see? Because that's rape. I expect you don't feel the need to have sex with every blonde woman you see because you understand that having sex without consent is not ok. Finding someone attractive doesn't mean you're going to rape them. Someone who finds children attractive doesn't necessarily also rape children. Some people understand it is wrong and never have sex with anybody in their lives because they can control themselves. We cannot make thoughts into a crime. Which is good, because otherwise you'd be locked up for ABH according to your comments above about deep fat fryers. ok thats a fair point. but we arent talking about the ones who can contain themselves. its the ones that act out. most people wont know the ones who dont offend cuz theyre not exactly goingto sit in pub and say id love to fuck a kid tonight where i could say id love to fuck a leggy blonde or whatever. its the ones that are a danger that need the punishment. one kid abused will go on to make hundred more victims as most turn to drugs which then turns to burglary robbery etc so nonces dont just create one victim in long run" Do you make this up as you go along? | |||
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"I find it interesting so many comments about castration which is referring to men, but what about the woman abusers?? " I think most people talking about castration have such closed minds and a very narrow sterotype of what constitutes a sex offender that they simply had not considered that they aren;t just men. And they aren;t all adults either | |||
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"No i hold my hands up. I personally couldnt dish out any punishment. But it doesnt stop me wanting there to be more to a punishment than sitting in a nice warm room with a bed an pillows with access to tv, outside space, food 3 times a day without having to worry about how the bills get paid oh and then visits from family. and if it was my child/family/friend.....i would still say if they commited the crime then the punishment should be there yes. rehabilition does nothing these days. Nothing at all. . If you have either visited or been a member of a prison visitors scheme you would realise that being locked up is punishment in iitself . They are horrible places and I would hate to see the inside as a convict . Visiting itself is a gruesome experience . all depends what jail... strangeways is hell on earth but stafford was cushty.. before they turned it into a nonce only jail.. i got locjed up 15 year ago after a breakdown and in the right nick the support did me good. hence why the screw is an ex. cant date a convict. without jai id have been dead" So prison rehabilitated you but it can't rehabilitate others? How did that work? | |||
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"Background has no bearing on it?! I'm not making any excuse for anyone, but that's just wrong. What's just wrong? Your statement is wrong. What, the sex offenders come from all walks of life? That not all sex offenders had unhappy childhoods? Really? You wrote as I quoted that 'background has no bearing' and very clearly, with endless evidence, that is wrong. " Lots of people have terrible awful experiences in life. They don't go on to abuse children. There is no excuse for the abuse of kids. Children are at risk from ANY adult. Regardless of the adult's background is my point | |||
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"Background has no bearing on it?! I'm not making any excuse for anyone, but that's just wrong. What's just wrong? Your statement is wrong. What, the sex offenders come from all walks of life? That not all sex offenders had unhappy childhoods? Really? You wrote as I quoted that 'background has no bearing' and very clearly, with endless evidence, that is wrong. Lots of people have terrible awful experiences in life. They don't go on to abuse children. There is no excuse for the abuse of kids. Children are at risk from ANY adult. Regardless of the adult's background is my point " I agree | |||
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"are you saying only people who have been abused as a child abuse children and children bought up in loving house holds do not?" No. I'm saying it is wrong to claim background is not highly relevant. Circumstances, events and environment are critical - regardless of class, wealth etc. You can't disregard it as a factor of people's behavior. I don't see it as an excuse, but background is an undeniable factor. | |||
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"Prison,therapy,rehabilitation and whatever else we have in place to stop re-offending. I would hope that the victims get as much and more help to overcome their physical and mental scars. I remember reading about the Swift boy's death-I can't remember how old I was-and thinking I hope these men die a horrible death. My heart still tells me I want people who do these things to children to die in pain. My head says it's not their fault,they have something wrong with them that means they can't control their urges,but it's not my child that's been tortured,abused or killed. " I agree with this If somebody hurt my child I'd do everything in my power to protect them if that mentioned killing them I'd happily do it to keep my child safe Would I kill someone who had not wronged me..no I would not That's not to say I don't cate about other children it's just I know right from wrong and I'd only cross that line to protect my own Sorry if that offends but that's just me | |||
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"No i hold my hands up. I personally couldnt dish out any punishment. But it doesnt stop me wanting there to be more to a punishment than sitting in a nice warm room with a bed an pillows with access to tv, outside space, food 3 times a day without having to worry about how the bills get paid oh and then visits from family. and if it was my child/family/friend.....i would still say if they commited the crime then the punishment should be there yes. rehabilition does nothing these days. Nothing at all. Rehabilitation works well the trouble is we don't ever hear the success stories because it doesn't make a good story. I've worked with schedule one offenders and seen a few being rehabilitated and not go on to reoffend. There are many programmes out there now to provide CBT and other therapies for schedule one offenders and it works. so you mean theyve not been CAUGHT re offending. dont mean theve not They are managed by the offender manager and also subject to,MAPPA and on sex offenders list police have to sign off housing. While SOME might go on to offend without being caught the majority who go through the programme DO NOT reoffend because they have insight into their behaviour and have a point of contact if they ever feel like they are going to offend.." Assuming they use the point of contact. Some may not. | |||
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"No i hold my hands up. I personally couldnt dish out any punishment. But it doesnt stop me wanting there to be more to a punishment than sitting in a nice warm room with a bed an pillows with access to tv, outside space, food 3 times a day without having to worry about how the bills get paid oh and then visits from family. and if it was my child/family/friend.....i would still say if they commited the crime then the punishment should be there yes. rehabilition does nothing these days. Nothing at all. Rehabilitation works well the trouble is we don't ever hear the success stories because it doesn't make a good story. I've worked with schedule one offenders and seen a few being rehabilitated and not go on to reoffend. There are many programmes out there now to provide CBT and other therapies for schedule one offenders and it works. so you mean theyve not been CAUGHT re offending. dont mean theve not They are managed by the offender manager and also subject to,MAPPA and on sex offenders list police have to sign off housing. While SOME might go on to offend without being caught the majority who go through the programme DO NOT reoffend because they have insight into their behaviour and have a point of contact if they ever feel like they are going to offend.. Assuming they use the point of contact. Some may not. " Those who want the help will and the majority of cases I were involved with did...like I say some went onto reoffend | |||
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" Those who want the help will and the majority of cases I were involved with did...like I say some went onto reoffend Sadly you won't ever know if that was true or not, they could have done and just not be caught, be it downloading stuff or abusing. " A lot of them were very strictly managed. No access to Internet and computers etc. | |||
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" Those who want the help will and the majority of cases I were involved with did...like I say some went onto reoffend Sadly you won't ever know if that was true or not, they could have done and just not be caught, be it downloading stuff or abusing. A lot of them were very strictly managed. No access to Internet and computers etc. " Yeah I know how it works If you think that will stop some you might be mistaken. | |||
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" Those who want the help will and the majority of cases I were involved with did...like I say some went onto reoffend Sadly you won't ever know if that was true or not, they could have done and just not be caught, be it downloading stuff or abusing. A lot of them were very strictly managed. No access to Internet and computers etc. Yeah I know how it works If you think that will stop some you might be mistaken." I'm far from mistaken and I agree it doesn't help all of them but to get a success story is pretty good going. | |||
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"I know this subject is emotive, but some of the things I have read on this thread are nearly as bad as the OP subject. A bit of a wake up call really - you've no idea who you're talking to online! " | |||
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" if you had read my posts youd see i stated nonces cant be rehabbed. A criminal mind is a criminal mind. If one can be rehabilitated then so can another." So because it's a criminal offence, the offender can be rehabilitated? Is that what you're saying? The vast majority of child abusers don't see that they've done anything wrong. | |||
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