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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

In the paper today a transgender lived as a women for a decade before embarking on gender reassignment surgery worth 10k on the NHS.

But less than two years after he began the physical transition from a man to a women he changed his mind and now wants to become a man again.

He reckons gender reassignment surgeries are offered too readily by the NHS, without adequate psychological evaluation.

He wants to warn other young people to think very seriously about the mental and physical consequences before proceeding.

What's your _iews

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

it may have not worked out well in this instance but I agree in it being available for people non the less

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In the paper today a transgender lived as a women for a decade before embarking on gender reassignment surgery worth 10k on the NHS.

But less than two years after he began the physical transition from a man to a women he changed his mind and now wants to become a man again.

He reckons gender reassignment surgeries are offered too readily by the NHS, without adequate psychological evaluation.

He wants to warn other young people to think very seriously about the mental and physical consequences before proceeding.

What's your _iews "

Ten years is 'too readily'??? took me five months to get my vein op! Xx

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

Maybe, before starting surgery, they should start him on the other parts of being a woman. All that washing and ironing would certainly put me off.

Besides, when I see a hair, I only wonder whether I can grow it long enough to comb it over my bald head, plucking would be a total anathema to me!

Seriously, one man's mistake shouldn't be used as an excuse to discriminate against others.

Mr ddc

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

He reckons he couldn't cope with hormones. Gave him mood instability, depression and anxiety.

Plus he thought.. No matter how much make-up he wore or how he dressed, he knew people wouldn't see him as a real women.

I thought he looked good

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In the paper today a transgender lived as a women for a decade before embarking on gender reassignment surgery worth 10k on the NHS.

But less than two years after he began the physical transition from a man to a women he changed his mind and now wants to become a man again.

He reckons gender reassignment surgeries are offered too readily by the NHS, without adequate psychological evaluation.

He wants to warn other young people to think very seriously about the mental and physical consequences before proceeding.

What's your _iews "

Just goes to show they were right to give the sex change , everyone knows women always change their mind after they get what they wanted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In the paper today a transgender lived as a women for a decade before embarking on gender reassignment surgery worth 10k on the NHS.

But less than two years after he began the physical transition from a man to a women he changed his mind and now wants to become a man again.

He reckons gender reassignment surgeries are offered too readily by the NHS, without adequate psychological evaluation.

He wants to warn other young people to think very seriously about the mental and physical consequences before proceeding.

What's your _iews "

Given the struggle I've seen trans girls go through just to get the hormones with the nhs that's bullocks.

2 years of "real life test" before they'll do anything as well.

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By *igandanneCouple
over a year ago

Cheltenham

Why should the tax payer have to pay anyway

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Why should the tax payer have to pay anyway"

Because it's important, that's why.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why should the tax payer have to pay anyway"

Why should the tax payer pay for anything if you want to use that argument.

Especially anything heart, liver or joint related in fat people, or anything for anyone who had not lead an impeccably healthy life style?

Especially sport injuries definitely shouldn't pay for those.

Given the tiny amount of trans people and that according to those stats you could do 5 trans operations for the cost of one alcoholics liver op, seems a good deal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why should the tax payer have to pay anyway"

You could argue that about a lot of things given out on the NHS fertility treatment, breast enlargement, gastric bands.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why should the tax payer have to pay anyway"

Because it's a medical problem.

And the NHS treats medical problems.

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By *eithoWoman
over a year ago

Chatham

Sounds like he's trying to absolve himself of the responsibility for his decision. The NHS is not in the habit of throwing money away willy nilly. On the contrary, people often have to fight for years for these procedures!

The fact that he had lived as a woman for a decade is pretty good evidence that it's was what he wanted, plus I'm certain he would have had some counselling regarding risks of treatment and possible outcomes.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

because years of torment and that sense of not belonging because something was missing in your very being....

is worth a few thousands £'s...

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By *eithoWoman
over a year ago

Chatham


"Why should the tax payer have to pay anyway"

Gender dysphoria is a well recognised and highly debilitating condition. Patients who have it are as entitled to treatment as much as anyone with a broken leg or pneumonia, for example.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm going to Poland on Monday to have my man boobs removed, that's important to me. NHS wouldn't do it. They affect me everyday. Go figure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm going to Poland on Monday to have my man boobs removed, that's important to me. NHS wouldn't do it. They affect me everyday. Go figure."

Well you should have been more careful with your steroid abuse then shouldn't you.

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By *isa 59Woman
over a year ago

Newcastle

Don't believe everything you read in the papers.

I have a good friend who's been through this and it's really not 'readily' available!

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"Why should the tax payer have to pay anyway"

Trans people don't pay tax?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why should the tax payer have to pay anyway

Trans people don't pay tax? "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In the paper today a transgender lived as a women for a decade before embarking on gender reassignment surgery worth 10k on the NHS.

But less than two years after he began the physical transition from a man to a women he changed his mind and now wants to become a man again.

He reckons gender reassignment surgeries are offered too readily by the NHS, without adequate psychological evaluation.

He wants to warn other young people to think very seriously about the mental and physical consequences before proceeding.

What's your _iews "

He spent 10 years living as a women, had gender re-assignment surgery and now want reasignment back to male and have gone to the papers about it.

That says more about their mental health (and I say that with every compassion) than a shortcoming of the NHS

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Why should the tax payer have to pay anyway

Trans people don't pay tax? "

Fuck it, your response was better than mine!

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Why should the tax payer have to pay anyway

Trans people don't pay tax? "

So should we blame the deficit on these tax dodging Trans people? Or on the politicians for giving them all these tax breaks in the first place?????

Do trans people get some kind of special card that they can show in shops so they don't have to pay VAT?

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"Why should the tax payer have to pay anyway

Trans people don't pay tax?

Fuck it, your response was better than mine! "

Lets go trans, so we can get tax-exempt status! The non-doms will be green with envy.

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

my neice who was my nephew had to go abroad so far facial feminization and voice box surgery gonna have more this year

nobody would know she was once male shes really pretty

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands

Now

I love TV's

CDs

But being in need of different genitalia doesn't make you ill by definition

Nor childlessness

I'm sorry but my _iew is it should not be on the NHS

Sorry

I've no wish to upset anyone Saying that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Now

I love TV's

CDs

But being in need of different genitalia doesn't make you ill by definition

Nor childlessness

I'm sorry but my _iew is it should not be on the NHS

Sorry

I've no wish to upset anyone Saying that "

Being fat isn't either but we have to pay for the complications as well as spending millions getting equipment to deal with people so heavy they don't fit on or break the ordinary beds.

Why should a hospital have to pay for and transport, tying up an ambulance that could be dealing with a real emergency, to lug a fat person to a zoo so they can have a scan on on the only machine big enough?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm going to Poland on Monday to have my man boobs removed, that's important to me. NHS wouldn't do it. They affect me everyday. Go figure.

Well you should have been more careful with your steroid abuse then shouldn't you."

Huh?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

As a T girl I should maybe have sympathy with this,but the NHS should not be doing any of this,people with cancers etc have greater needs.

All this should only be done privatly

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands


"Now

I love TV's

CDs

But being in need of different genitalia doesn't make you ill by definition

Nor childlessness

I'm sorry but my _iew is it should not be on the NHS

Sorry

I've no wish to upset anyone Saying that

Being fat isn't either but we have to pay for the complications as well as spending millions getting equipment to deal with people so heavy they don't fit on or break the ordinary beds.

Why should a hospital have to pay for and transport, tying up an ambulance that could be dealing with a real emergency, to lug a fat person to a zoo so they can have a scan on on the only machine big enough?"

Good point well made

Actually many people suffer from illnesses that cause them to overeat (which I don't do incidentally, because my inability to walk was caused by a transport accident, and the constant pain I'm in hinders strenuous exercise, and before this I was always a very healthy never having smoking individual who attended aqua aerobics weekly) besides which i've been paying tax on my earnings since I was 16 and a regular hospital bed and ambulance is fine for me

But I do understand the point yes

But like I said

Not having a child doesn't constitute an illness

Ana wanting different genitalia doesn't either

That's the way it is to me

I'm not arguing with you about it

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands


"As a T girl I should maybe have sympathy with this,but the NHS should not be doing any of this,people with cancers etc have greater needs.

All this should only be done privatly"

I agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oooh whats going on here then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Good point well made

Actually many people suffer from illnesses that cause them to overeat

"

No they don't there are one or two fantastically rare conditions where people are unable to feel full or other nervous issues but there is no common over eating symptom.


"

(which I don't do incidentally, because my inability to walk was

"

Not being able to walk simply means your bmr will be lower as such your required food intake dropped but you kept eating the same.

fat isn't caused by lack of excercise it's simply caused by eating more than you use.


"

But like I said

Not having a child doesn't constitute an illness

Ana wanting different genitalia doesn't either

That's the way it is to me

I'm not arguing with you about it

"

I'd say being infertile is an illness no different to having a bad kidney or any other organ

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm going to Poland on Monday to have my man boobs removed, that's important to me. NHS wouldn't do it. They affect me everyday. Go figure.

Well you should have been more careful with your steroid abuse then shouldn't you.

Huh? "

Side effect of injecting a load of testosterone compounds is without certain medications is you end up with lots of oestrogen, oestrogen causes the body to start growing Breast tissue (not fat, as in the normal overweight man boobs but actual best tissue), gynomastoma, once this is too severe to be dealt with by medication only option is surgery to remove the tissue because as it's proper breast tissue it can't be dieted or exercised off

Poland being the normal place to go.

I remember one of the huge sted heads at my old gym used to lactate lol

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands

Look

I am not an over eater

Anyone will tell you this

I don't give a ducks ass if you believe me because you're not my GP

I'm unable to walk much because I've got a broken patella bone

And surgery won't stop either the pain nor a replacement kneecap solve the issue

So you are wrong

And lots of medication can often cause changes in eating habits both up and down

But as I'm not on medication I'm not affected

So again you're wrong

And like I said

Needing a child or different genitalia isn't an illness

And take note

I'm still not arguing with you!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Look

I am not an over eater

Anyone will tell you this

I don't give a ducks ass if you believe me because you're not my GP

I'm unable to walk much because I've got a broken patella bone

And surgery won't stop either the pain nor a replacement kneecap solve the issue

So you are wrong

And lots of medication can often cause changes in eating habits both up and down

But as I'm not on medication I'm not affected

So again you're wrong

And like I said

Needing a child or different genitalia isn't an illness

And take note

I'm still not arguing with you!

"

Then you have broken the laws of thermodynamics and have become a perpetual motion machine.

Or you're a plant and are creating carbohydrates from the air and sunlight.

Every bit of mass in your body you put in there through your mouth.

I know medication can cause people to over eat my medication has the top side effect as "excessive weight gain" which is one of the reasons I control my eating.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands


"Look

I am not an over eater

Anyone will tell you this

I don't give a ducks ass if you believe me because you're not my GP

I'm unable to walk much because I've got a broken patella bone

And surgery won't stop either the pain nor a replacement kneecap solve the issue

So you are wrong

And lots of medication can often cause changes in eating habits both up and down

But as I'm not on medication I'm not affected

So again you're wrong

And like I said

Needing a child or different genitalia isn't an illness

And take note

I'm still not arguing with you!

Then you have broken the laws of thermodynamics and have become a perpetual motion machine.

Or you're a plant and are creating carbohydrates from the air and sunlight.

Every bit of mass in your body you put in there through your mouth.

I know medication can cause people to over eat my medication has the top side effect as "excessive weight gain" which is one of the reasons I control my eating."

Look be rude if you must

I do go swimming several times a week

So get off my case ok

Your not a doctor

So you know jack

And being infertile still isn't an illness so ner ner

Just an incapability to reproduce offspring

That's all

Like stupid people who can't understand facts

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Giving birth isn't an illness.

Shall we have women pay as they go per child?

The saved money can be used to treat people with cancer.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands


"Giving birth isn't an illness.

Shall we have women pay as they go per child?

The saved money can be used to treat people with cancer. "

Ha bloody ha

What utter rubbish

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Most contraceptives are free on the NHS too - they don't cure an illness.

Start charging for those!

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"Giving birth isn't an illness.

Shall we have women pay as they go per child?

The saved money can be used to treat people with cancer.

Ha bloody ha

What utter rubbish

"

I was using your own criteria (illness) to highlight what else we shouldn't be paying for and how we can save money.

Don't rubbish your own methodology. We could save a bundle if we keep thinking.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands


"Most contraceptives are free on the NHS too - they don't cure an illness.

Start charging for those! "

Whatever

I'm still not arguing with you

So there

If you can't see my point it's clearly your problem and not mine honey

Enjoy your evening

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands


"Giving birth isn't an illness.

Shall we have women pay as they go per child?

The saved money can be used to treat people with cancer.

Ha bloody ha

What utter rubbish

I was using your own criteria (illness) to highlight what else we shouldn't be paying for and how we can save money.

Don't rubbish your own methodology. We could save a bundle if we keep thinking. "

Yea yea

Like I said

I'm not arguing with you

So suggest all manner of different analogies

I'm still not biting

My point is valid

Other people's opinions are also available

I'm not repeat not changing mine

Ok

Got it

Good

That's that then

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By *eithoWoman
over a year ago

Chatham


"Now

I love TV's

CDs

But being in need of different genitalia doesn't make you ill by definition

Nor childlessness

I'm sorry but my _iew is it should not be on the NHS

Sorry

I've no wish to upset anyone Saying that "

You seem a bit misinformed. There are a whole host of hormonal and developmental conditions which can lead to gender disparity, many of which manifest before birth. Take the example of 'complete androgen insensitivity' where genetic males appear 100% female.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


""My point is valid

Got it

Good

That's that then""

Ditto.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Look

I am not an over eater

Anyone will tell you this

I don't give a ducks ass if you believe me because you're not my GP

I'm unable to walk much because I've got a broken patella bone

And surgery won't stop either the pain nor a replacement kneecap solve the issue

So you are wrong

And lots of medication can often cause changes in eating habits both up and down

But as I'm not on medication I'm not affected

So again you're wrong

And like I said

Needing a child or different genitalia isn't an illness

And take note

I'm still not arguing with you!

Then you have broken the laws of thermodynamics and have become a perpetual motion machine.

Or you're a plant and are creating carbohydrates from the air and sunlight.

Every bit of mass in your body you put in there through your mouth.

I know medication can cause people to over eat my medication has the top side effect as "excessive weight gain" which is one of the reasons I control my eating.

Look be rude if you must

I do go swimming several times a week

So get off my case ok

Your not a doctor

So you know jack

And being infertile still isn't an illness so ner ner

Just an incapability to reproduce offspring

That's all

Like stupid people who can't understand facts

"

Like the fact that fat is only gained if you eat more calories than you burn?

If you go swimming several times a week you probably then do more excercise than me.

And by your logic some diabetes isn't an illness simply the inability to produce insulin.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands

yawn im bored now of this. im too busy finding cock. tata

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why is everyone obsessed with trannies on this site.???

It's something new everyday on here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why is everyone obsessed with trannies on this site.???

It's something new everyday on here. "

People are territorial with everything including their gender :p

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By *irceWoman
over a year ago

Gloucester


"In the paper today a transgender lived as a women for a decade before embarking on gender reassignment surgery worth 10k on the NHS.

But less than two years after he began the physical transition from a man to a women he changed his mind and now wants to become a man again.

He reckons gender reassignment surgeries are offered too readily by the NHS, without adequate psychological evaluation.

He wants to warn other young people to think very seriously about the mental and physical consequences before proceeding.

What's your _iews "

Sad for them but many are happy with GRS, life as a transsexual is very harsh unless you are rich, just the way it is.

Have to agree though on how easy it is to have the op with a few tactical comments given to the gate keepers, i know a Transvestite on a fantasy trip and i will not be surprised if he will be the next shouting ohh what have they done to me!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

And being infertile still isn't an illness so ner ner

Just an incapability to reproduce offspring

That's all

Like stupid people who can't understand facts

"

Liver failure isn't an illness either then.

Just an incapacity to remove waste toxins from the blood.

And Bronchitis. That's just the body being unable to keep it's breathing passages open.

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman
over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!


"Look

I am not an over eater

Anyone will tell you this

I don't give a ducks ass if you believe me because you're not my GP

I'm unable to walk much because I've got a broken patella bone

And surgery won't stop either the pain nor a replacement kneecap solve the issue

So you are wrong

And lots of medication can often cause changes in eating habits both up and down

But as I'm not on medication I'm not affected

So again you're wrong

And like I said

Needing a child or different genitalia isn't an illness

And take note

I'm still not arguing with you!

"

'Needing a child or different genitalia isn't an illness',they may not be an illness,but have you ever experienced either? I find your comments heartless...

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"Why should the tax payer have to pay anyway"

So, it was alright for your 'wife' to have the sex-change on the NHS but not for others?

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By *4nc3rCouple
over a year ago

Clacton-On-Sea, Essex

Just because you can't see a persons illness, doesn't mean its false or any less important.

Many transgender suffer from depression and anxiety related disorders that directly relate to their mental conflictions. You may argue that depression doesn't automatically make a persons heart fail, but for the person suffering it? I'm pretty sure it god damn feels like it does.

So yes, gender reassignment should be as available on the NHS as any other treatment if there is evidence to support that it will improve a patients mental and physical well-being.

As others have mentioned, the NHS dishes out fertility treatment to women who want children - even though there are thousands of unwanted children needing adoption and loving parents, so why shouldn't something that can effectively change a persons mental health for the better be available?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It costs around £10,000 per patient with around 150-200 patients a year, it's hardly breaking the bank!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also OP - they are not 'a transgender', they are a transwoman, a transman or a transperson.

Calling someone 'a transgender' is like calling someone 'a cancer' or 'a gay'. It's just incorrect and a little insulting.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Also OP - they are not 'a transgender', they are a transwoman, a transman or a transperson.

Calling someone 'a transgender' is like calling someone 'a cancer' or 'a gay'. It's just incorrect and a little insulting."

I just copied what was written in the paper

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By *now white1000Woman
over a year ago

York

Some food for thought...

Gender Dysphoria is a medical condition, people with this condition have choices to make, continue to hide their true self and suffer depression from it, which can and does lead to drug & alcohol related illness, or risk losing their friends & family and start out on the very long, very hard road towards surgery, and many of those who do just that, do not reach surgery because they find it too hard to go through all the obstacles and transphobia put in their way.

Did you know that 75% of all transgendered people think about ending their life at some stage?

Did you know that over 40% will actually attempt to end their life?

Shocking statistics that go a long way to proving that the NHS is 100% correct to carry out these surgeries.

The system is also clogged up, there are around 800 people per year going to their GP to seek a referral to a gender clinic, there are currently nearly 3000 on the NHS care pathway as it's called, and only about 150 surgeries per year.

Do the maths.

There is an overwhelming need for more surgeons, only 3 in this country carry out SRS, one of those is past retirement age too.

And yes, i also know that the NHS in general needs a lot more doctors,nurses and surgeons.

Someone quoted 'they should only be done privately' Are you having a fucking laugh? how many people can honestly afford that kind of money?

Medical condition = a right to NHS treatment, just like cancer is a medical condition, and broken limbs etc.

It's what sets this country apart from others, everybody regardless of nationality who lives in this country is entitled to NHS treatment, if you don't like that, then move abroad and pay through the nose for even simple things like having a couple of stitches for a cut!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Also OP - they are not 'a transgender', they are a transwoman, a transman or a transperson.

Calling someone 'a transgender' is like calling someone 'a cancer' or 'a gay'. It's just incorrect and a little insulting.

I just copied what was written in the paper "

Which paper was it? The Guardian styleguide specifically forbids staff from using the word that way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Someone quoted 'they should only be done privately' Are you having a fucking laugh? how many people can honestly afford that kind of money?"

Just to expand on that... getting my breasts removed will cost me about £8000. Plus a bit more, most likely.

Getting breast implants costs about £3.5k now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Someone quoted 'they should only be done privately' Are you having a fucking laugh? how many people can honestly afford that kind of money?

Just to expand on that... getting my breasts removed will cost me about £8000. Plus a bit more, most likely.

Getting breast implants costs about £3.5k now."

Can I have yours please

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I wondered how many posts we'd go before someone asked about why they should pay for it with their taxes.

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

I'm still getting my head around the fact that they changed their mind. Poor thing.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I wondered how many posts we'd go before someone asked about why they should pay for it with their taxes. "

Well people who don't like paying for things that their elected governments spend their money on should move to places where the tax regimes aren't quite so vigorous, places like Somalia or Yeman. You don't pay tax, you don't have a government, everyone's happy, right?

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"Someone quoted 'they should only be done privately' Are you having a fucking laugh? how many people can honestly afford that kind of money?

Just to expand on that... getting my breasts removed will cost me about £8000. Plus a bit more, most likely.

Getting breast implants costs about £3.5k now.

Can I have yours please "

What is this? e-Bay?

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands


"Just because you can't see a persons illness, doesn't mean its false or any less important.

Many transgender suffer from depression and anxiety related disorders that directly relate to their mental conflictions. You may argue that depression doesn't automatically make a persons heart fail, but for the person suffering it? I'm pretty sure it god damn feels like it does.

So yes, gender reassignment should be as available on the NHS as any other treatment if there is evidence to support that it will improve a patients mental and physical well-being.

As others have mentioned, the NHS dishes out fertility treatment to women who want children - even though there are thousands of unwanted children needing adoption and loving parents, so why shouldn't something that can effectively change a persons mental health for the better be available?! "

I've suffered from severe depression resulting in 6 out of the last 8 YEARS in hospital and a nursing home

I still think that different genitalia doesn't need NHS finding I'm afraid

Not all people needing any surgery suffer from anything and many pay privately

So sorry

I'll not change my mind

Sorry xxx

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands


"Look

I am not an over eater

Anyone will tell you this

I don't give a ducks ass if you believe me because you're not my GP

I'm unable to walk much because I've got a broken patella bone

And surgery won't stop either the pain nor a replacement kneecap solve the issue

So you are wrong

And lots of medication can often cause changes in eating habits both up and down

But as I'm not on medication I'm not affected

So again you're wrong

And like I said

Needing a child or different genitalia isn't an illness

And take note

I'm still not arguing with you!

'Needing a child or different genitalia isn't an illness',they may not be an illness,but have you ever experienced either? I find your comments heartless..."

I'm far from heartless

In fact in a very kind and caring person

I do voluntry work at various places in Worcester

Pillar of my community and regular church goer in fact

But my opinion is my opinion

Like it or not

It's not changing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've suffered from severe depression resulting in 6 out of the last 8 YEARS in hospital and a nursing home

I still think that different genitalia doesn't need NHS finding I'm afraid

Not all people needing any surgery suffer from anything and many pay privately

So sorry

I'll not change my mind

Sorry xxx "

Why is it ok to treat your depression but not mine?

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands


"I've suffered from severe depression resulting in 6 out of the last 8 YEARS in hospital and a nursing home

I still think that different genitalia doesn't need NHS finding I'm afraid

Not all people needing any surgery suffer from anything and many pay privately

So sorry

I'll not change my mind

Sorry xxx

Why is it ok to treat your depression but not mine?"

I'm not justifying my opinion to you or anyone else

If you don't like it

Don't read it

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By *now white1000Woman
over a year ago

York


"I wondered how many posts we'd go before someone asked about why they should pay for it with their taxes.

Well people who don't like paying for things that their elected governments spend their money on should move to places where the tax regimes aren't quite so vigorous, places like Somalia or Yeman. You don't pay tax, you don't have a government, everyone's happy, right?"

CLCC, god forbid, but if you got cancer would you expect treatment on the NHS?

I and many others pay my taxes and expect the NHS to be there if and when i need it, otherwise what's the point of National Insurance?

just the same as i pay my council tax so i expect my bins to be emptied for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've suffered from severe depression resulting in 6 out of the last 8 YEARS in hospital and a nursing home

I still think that different genitalia doesn't need NHS finding I'm afraid

Not all people needing any surgery suffer from anything and many pay privately

So sorry

I'll not change my mind

Sorry xxx

Why is it ok to treat your depression but not mine?

I'm not justifying my opinion to you or anyone else

If you don't like it

Don't read it "

"I'm alright, Jack"

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands


"I've suffered from severe depression resulting in 6 out of the last 8 YEARS in hospital and a nursing home

I still think that different genitalia doesn't need NHS finding I'm afraid

Not all people needing any surgery suffer from anything and many pay privately

So sorry

I'll not change my mind

Sorry xxx

Why is it ok to treat your depression but not mine?

I'm not justifying my opinion to you or anyone else

If you don't like it

Don't read it

"I'm alright, Jack""

Not at all

Its just my opinion and I'm entitled to it

As you are to oppose it

Whose right?

Probably neither of us

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"I've suffered from severe depression resulting in 6 out of the last 8 YEARS in hospital and a nursing home

I still think that different genitalia doesn't need NHS finding I'm afraid

Not all people needing any surgery suffer from anything and many pay privately

So sorry

I'll not change my mind

Sorry xxx

Why is it ok to treat your depression but not mine?

I'm not justifying my opinion to you or anyone else

If you don't like it

Don't read it

"I'm alright, Jack"

Not at all

Its just my opinion and I'm entitled to it

As you are to oppose it

Whose right?

Probably neither of us

"

I have an opinion too; but I'll get another time-out if I say it here

Maybe if we were face-to-face (or tummy-to-tummy), I could shout it across

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've suffered from severe depression resulting in 6 out of the last 8 YEARS in hospital and a nursing home

I still think that different genitalia doesn't need NHS finding I'm afraid

Not all people needing any surgery suffer from anything and many pay privately

So sorry

I'll not change my mind

Sorry xxx

Why is it ok to treat your depression but not mine?

I'm not justifying my opinion to you or anyone else

If you don't like it

Don't read it

"I'm alright, Jack"

Not at all

Its just my opinion and I'm entitled to it

As you are to oppose it

Whose right?

Probably neither of us

"

What's the point of repeatedly stating your opinion and saying 'I have an opinion but I don't want to state it and engage with anybody' multiple times in a thread?

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands


"I've suffered from severe depression resulting in 6 out of the last 8 YEARS in hospital and a nursing home

I still think that different genitalia doesn't need NHS finding I'm afraid

Not all people needing any surgery suffer from anything and many pay privately

So sorry

I'll not change my mind

Sorry xxx

Why is it ok to treat your depression but not mine?

I'm not justifying my opinion to you or anyone else

If you don't like it

Don't read it

"I'm alright, Jack"

Not at all

Its just my opinion and I'm entitled to it

As you are to oppose it

Whose right?

Probably neither of us

I have an opinion too; but I'll get another time-out if I say it here

Maybe if we were face-to-face (or tummy-to-tummy), I could shout it across "

Yea yea

Bring it on

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands


"I've suffered from severe depression resulting in 6 out of the last 8 YEARS in hospital and a nursing home

I still think that different genitalia doesn't need NHS finding I'm afraid

Not all people needing any surgery suffer from anything and many pay privately

So sorry

I'll not change my mind

Sorry xxx

Why is it ok to treat your depression but not mine?

I'm not justifying my opinion to you or anyone else

If you don't like it

Don't read it

"I'm alright, Jack"

Not at all

Its just my opinion and I'm entitled to it

As you are to oppose it

Whose right?

Probably neither of us

What's the point of repeatedly stating your opinion and saying 'I have an opinion but I don't want to state it and engage with anybody' multiple times in a thread?"

Because that's what I want to do

No one will change my opinion

And I'm disinterested in arguments

So that's it really

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"I've suffered from severe depression resulting in 6 out of the last 8 YEARS in hospital and a nursing home

I still think that different genitalia doesn't need NHS finding I'm afraid

Not all people needing any surgery suffer from anything and many pay privately

So sorry

I'll not change my mind

Sorry xxx

Why is it ok to treat your depression but not mine?

I'm not justifying my opinion to you or anyone else

If you don't like it

Don't read it

"I'm alright, Jack"

Not at all

Its just my opinion and I'm entitled to it

As you are to oppose it

Whose right?

Probably neither of us

I have an opinion too; but I'll get another time-out if I say it here

Maybe if we were face-to-face (or tummy-to-tummy), I could shout it across

Yea yea

Bring it on

"

To be perfectly honest, I'd rather not

But please don't let me stop you with your repeat 'opinions'. For as they say, "it ain't over until the fat lady sings"

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

I thought one of the points of the forum was to engage with people or build up a discussion/debate.

Clearly I was wrong, it's belligerency all the way.

Isn't the constant repetition of the same comments not considered as spam?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Because that's what I want to do

No one will change my opinion

And I'm disinterested in arguments

So that's it really

"

If you don't enjoy debating, why are you wasting your life on forums?

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands


"I've suffered from severe depression resulting in 6 out of the last 8 YEARS in hospital and a nursing home

I still think that different genitalia doesn't need NHS finding I'm afraid

Not all people needing any surgery suffer from anything and many pay privately

So sorry

I'll not change my mind

Sorry xxx

Why is it ok to treat your depression but not mine?

I'm not justifying my opinion to you or anyone else

If you don't like it

Don't read it

"I'm alright, Jack"

Not at all

Its just my opinion and I'm entitled to it

As you are to oppose it

Whose right?

Probably neither of us

I have an opinion too; but I'll get another time-out if I say it here

Maybe if we were face-to-face (or tummy-to-tummy), I could shout it across

Yea yea

Bring it on

To be perfectly honest, I'd rather not

But please don't let me stop you with your repeat 'opinions'. For as they say, "it ain't over until the fat lady sings""

Ok

I won't

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

I remember watching a documentary on trans transition a few years ago.

One of the surgeons at Charing Cross Hospital said that surgery saves money in the long term with regards to the transitioning process.

Because the mental health treatment needed if a trans person wants the surgery but can't have it is immense.

Not that I think trans people need to justify their healthcare needs more than any other person.

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By *now white1000Woman
over a year ago

York


"I remember watching a documentary on trans transition a few years ago.

One of the surgeons at Charing Cross Hospital said that surgery saves money in the long term with regards to the transitioning process.

Because the mental health treatment needed if a trans person wants the surgery but can't have it is immense.

Not that I think trans people need to justify their healthcare needs more than any other person. "

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By *eordie JoJoTV/TS
over a year ago

Newcastle

Pops head in ..... .... Reads some of the posts .... Hahahaha .... Take a sip of tea .... And leaves ....

And to the old lady who has been in the nursing home, a church goer and a pillar in her community who does relentless volunteer work ... (high five) sister ... And you still find the time to play on fab

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands


"Pops head in ..... .... Reads some of the posts .... Hahahaha .... Take a sip of tea .... And leaves ....

And to the old lady who has been in the nursing home, a church goer and a pillar in her community who does relentless volunteer work ... (high five) sister ... And you still find the time to play on fab "

I'm a woman

I can multitask lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Look

I am not an over eater

Anyone will tell you this

I don't give a ducks ass if you believe me because you're not my GP

I'm unable to walk much because I've got a broken patella bone

And surgery won't stop either the pain nor a replacement kneecap solve the issue

So you are wrong

And lots of medication can often cause changes in eating habits both up and down

But as I'm not on medication I'm not affected

So again you're wrong

And like I said

Needing a child or different genitalia isn't an illness

And take note

I'm still not arguing with you!

'Needing a child or different genitalia isn't an illness',they may not be an illness,but have you ever experienced either? I find your comments heartless...

I'm far from heartless

In fact in a very kind and caring person

I do voluntry work at various places in Worcester

Pillar of my community and regular church goer in fact

But my opinion is my opinion

Like it or not

It's not changing

"

I think a lot of people are forming an opinion of you too.

I could agree with your point of _iew, but then we'd both be wrong.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands


"Look

I am not an over eater

Anyone will tell you this

I don't give a ducks ass if you believe me because you're not my GP

I'm unable to walk much because I've got a broken patella bone

And surgery won't stop either the pain nor a replacement kneecap solve the issue

So you are wrong

And lots of medication can often cause changes in eating habits both up and down

But as I'm not on medication I'm not affected

So again you're wrong

And like I said

Needing a child or different genitalia isn't an illness

And take note

I'm still not arguing with you!

'Needing a child or different genitalia isn't an illness',they may not be an illness,but have you ever experienced either? I find your comments heartless...

I'm far from heartless

In fact in a very kind and caring person

I do voluntry work at various places in Worcester

Pillar of my community and regular church goer in fact

But my opinion is my opinion

Like it or not

It's not changing

I think a lot of people are forming an opinion of you too.

I could agree with your point of _iew, but then we'd both be wrong. "

The people who know me love me

And the rest I'll not loose sleep over

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