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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I quite like him.....

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

The Conservatives have three main messages in this campaign. That's number two.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

They are desperate, so not surprising.

As John Major is the closest thing the Tories have to a working class person, he has been wheeled out to try to appeal to the common man.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

I presume 'a danger to the UK' in the sense that the English will resent even more money being sent to Scotland, Scottish MPs being used to over-rule a minority English representation when voting on England-only issues, and this will lead to a break-up of the UK.

Obviously this is what the SNP ultimately wants, but until the weekend Ed Milliband said it would never happen.

Now, as always with Labour, they have tossed aside their principles and admitted that they will do a deal with the SNP, not in the interests if the UK, but of the Labour party.

(My mum is from Glasgow by the way, but under Alex Salmond's rules she is no longer allowed to count as Scottish!)

Mr ddc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people. "

If Labour get in with the help of the SNP they will be able to vote & pass through legislation that doesn't effect Scotland!!!

That's where the danger lies..

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

The reality is that we are likely to have a minority government and that means the smaller parties will be able to get their voices heard. Five years of deals.

Of course, if everyone gets out and actually votes instead of moaning about it all we could all be surprised. The undecided in every poll hold the key to the next government.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


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Of course, if everyone gets out and actually votes instead of moaning about it all we could all be surprised. The undecided in every poll hold the key to the next government."

this..

the apathy is staggering, maybe its why 'we' get what we deserve..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If Scotland is somehow going to be in a better situation than the rest of the country then I'm happy to move there. Great place, love the accent. Very dishy women.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've never been interested in what John Major thinks or says!

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"The reality is that we are likely to have a minority government and that means the smaller parties will be able to get their voices heard. Five years of deals.

Of course, if everyone gets out and actually votes instead of moaning about it all we could all be surprised. The undecided in every poll hold the key to the next government."

Though I'd rather not have a Government held to ransom by the loony far right (like John Major was) or the union barons. Just hope the Lib dems do well enough to make a difference either way.

(I actually was impressed by the coalition)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The reality is that we are likely to have a minority government and that means the smaller parties will be able to get their voices heard. Five years of deals.

Of course, if everyone gets out and actually votes instead of moaning about it all we could all be surprised. The undecided in every poll hold the key to the next government."

Assuming we have a hung parliament and a minority government with deals only done on a vote by vote basis, how do they decide which party is in government and who is the pm?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there will be a coalition that looks a certainty but what isn't is who will get the biggest share of votes.if the tories do get in who are they going to get in bed with it won't be the limp debs this time so that leaves ukip,greens or snp.the tories are very quiet when it comes to the ppl they want to work with

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge


"

Of course, if everyone gets out and actually votes instead of moaning about it all we could all be surprised. The undecided in every poll hold the key to the next government.

this..

the apathy is staggering, maybe its why 'we' get what we deserve.. "
its exactly what the Torys and the right wing media want apathy as Tory voters always tend to vote what ever whereas the rest only vote when they think they can make a difference

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

All i remember of john major is that he was very grey, and liked peas

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"there will be a coalition that looks a certainty but what isn't is who will get the biggest share of votes.if the tories do get in who are they going to get in bed with it won't be the limp debs this time so that leaves ukip,greens or snp.the tories are very quiet when it comes to the ppl they want to work with"

There doesnt need to be a coalition there might be a deal by deal and SNP will never do any kind of coalition or deal with the Tories and i doubt the greens would do any deal either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

time will tell but as nick clegg showed a politician will do anything for power even if it means selling his party down the river

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people. "

People in Scotland do, indeed, have the right to vote for whichever party they choose but to suggest that the SNP is NOT a danger to the UK is to forget, or ignore, everything they hold dear.

Did you sleep through the entire referendum campaign?

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people.

People in Scotland do, indeed, have the right to vote for whichever party they choose but to suggest that the SNP is NOT a danger to the UK is to forget, or ignore, everything they hold dear.

Did you sleep through the entire referendum campaign?"

People can vote for whatever party they want but i dont get why all this badmouthing the SNP is needed if people vote SNP that is democracy

and the referendum has been and gone thats now in the past this is about the future of the UK and Scotland is part of the UK.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people.

People in Scotland do, indeed, have the right to vote for whichever party they choose but to suggest that the SNP is NOT a danger to the UK is to forget, or ignore, everything they hold dear.

Did you sleep through the entire referendum campaign?

People can vote for whatever party they want but i dont get why all this badmouthing the SNP is needed if people vote SNP that is democracy

and the referendum has been and gone thats now in the past this is about the future of the UK and Scotland is part of the UK."

A strong vote in this election for SNP will undoubtedly lead to renewed calls for total devolution. If the people want it enough it will happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All i remember of john major is that he was very grey, and liked peas"

I thought it was he looked like he was made of rubber and grey peas was his every meal.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people.

People in Scotland do, indeed, have the right to vote for whichever party they choose but to suggest that the SNP is NOT a danger to the UK is to forget, or ignore, everything they hold dear.

Did you sleep through the entire referendum campaign?

People can vote for whatever party they want but i dont get why all this badmouthing the SNP is needed if people vote SNP that is democracy

and the referendum has been and gone thats now in the past this is about the future of the UK and Scotland is part of the UK."

Everyone is bad mouthing everyone else in this election. The SNP aren't being targeted especially.

The SNP's sole raison d'être is separation. Everything they do is aimed towards that.

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people.

People in Scotland do, indeed, have the right to vote for whichever party they choose but to suggest that the SNP is NOT a danger to the UK is to forget, or ignore, everything they hold dear.

Did you sleep through the entire referendum campaign?

People can vote for whatever party they want but i dont get why all this badmouthing the SNP is needed if people vote SNP that is democracy

and the referendum has been and gone thats now in the past this is about the future of the UK and Scotland is part of the UK.

Everyone is bad mouthing everyone else in this election. The SNP aren't being targeted especially.

The SNP's sole raison d'être is separation. Everything they do is aimed towards that."

Well more badmouthing SNP than any other party.

Yes SNP and their members want to end the union theres no hiding that. but is there another scottish referendum? No none of the plans to happen if there ever is again then that would be right of the people of Scotland to say if there is or not not SNP. So again the referendum is been and gone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The SNP's sole raison d'être is separation. Everything they do is aimed towards that."

Oo'er....... "raison d'être"..... how very Kenneth Williams...

Ohhhhh Matron......

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

Linwood


"I quite like him..... "

Didn't mind him either. Defo an improvement from Thatcher.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people.

People in Scotland do, indeed, have the right to vote for whichever party they choose but to suggest that the SNP is NOT a danger to the UK is to forget, or ignore, everything they hold dear.

Did you sleep through the entire referendum campaign?

People can vote for whatever party they want but i dont get why all this badmouthing the SNP is needed if people vote SNP that is democracy

and the referendum has been and gone thats now in the past this is about the future of the UK and Scotland is part of the UK.

Everyone is bad mouthing everyone else in this election. The SNP aren't being targeted especially.

The SNP's sole raison d'être is separation. Everything they do is aimed towards that."

If you read the British media, the sole reason for the SNP to exist is to destroy the UK. They are receiving far more negative attention than any other party, that is undeniable.

Even if the SNP want eventual separation, it does not follow logically that means they wish to see the UK fail economically - quite the opposite, in fact. And yet they are being painted as some sort of fiscal anarchists.

The fact is that the vast majority of people who support the Labour party would prefer them to be more like the SNP, and less like the Labour party.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people.

If Labour get in with the help of the SNP they will be able to vote & pass through legislation that doesn't effect Scotland!!!

That's where the danger lies.."
the problem with misinformed statements like this is people then start to believe them. Even start to quote them the SNP do not vote on issues pertaining to England only the problem lyes when they do vote on say the amount of new investment in the NHS in England you then hear English MPs scream this is an English matter don't you no well no you don't because although the money and all votes concerning public spending of any kind in England sound as though they are English only matters they directly effect how much money Scotland gets because of the BARNETT formula Scotland gets about 10% of monies spent on English public services. So if there's an increase of say 10 billion for England that automatically means an increase of 1 billion for Scotland. Visa versa if it's a decrease. Hence the reason not everything is as clear cut as it seems. But in true England only matters the SNP do not vote hence they have refused to form a coalition with labour in event of a hung parliament and will only vote on an issue by issue basis and why the Tory's are so pissed because Nicola like Alex before her has said the third largest party in the uk will not under any circumstances prop up a Tory government

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I quite like him.....

Didn't mind him either. Defo an improvement from Thatcher."

I quite liked her too....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people.

People in Scotland do, indeed, have the right to vote for whichever party they choose but to suggest that the SNP is NOT a danger to the UK is to forget, or ignore, everything they hold dear.

Did you sleep through the entire referendum campaign?

People can vote for whatever party they want but i dont get why all this badmouthing the SNP is needed if people vote SNP that is democracy

and the referendum has been and gone thats now in the past this is about the future of the UK and Scotland is part of the UK."

The tories are using the same scare mongering tactics they did in September. Only pity is the media help and the gullible greedy selfish believe.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"The SNP's sole raison d'être is separation. Everything they do is aimed towards that.

Oo'er....... "raison d'être"..... how very Kenneth Williams...

Ohhhhh Matron...... "

That's the Auld Alliance for you

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"The reality is that we are likely to have a minority government and that means the smaller parties will be able to get their voices heard. Five years of deals.

Of course, if everyone gets out and actually votes instead of moaning about it all we could all be surprised. The undecided in every poll hold the key to the next government.

Assuming we have a hung parliament and a minority government with deals only done on a vote by vote basis, how do they decide which party is in government and who is the pm?"

The House votes for the Queens Speech. It's how it's done even if there is a clear majority. With a clear majority you know the Queen's Speech will be accepted.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"there will be a coalition that looks a certainty but what isn't is who will get the biggest share of votes.if the tories do get in who are they going to get in bed with it won't be the limp debs this time so that leaves ukip,greens or snp.the tories are very quiet when it comes to the ppl they want to work with"

The Conservatives have the other Nigel (DUP) ready to offer their support, I suspect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people.

If Labour get in with the help of the SNP they will be able to vote & pass through legislation that doesn't effect Scotland!!!

That's where the danger lies.."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

John Major used to regularly put his dick inside Edwina Currie, knowing this can anybody take him seriously?

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause.

There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity.

Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"John Major used to regularly put his dick inside Edwina Currie, knowing this can anybody take him seriously?"

She always warned him about thay Salmond-fella!

(Sorry)

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause.

There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity.

Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible."

There could be an end to austerity it has to start somewhere. 2015 and we have foodbanks is shocking!

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

What he said was correcthe knows what he is talking about

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"John Major used to regularly put his dick inside Edwina Currie, knowing this can anybody take him seriously?"
Irrevilent

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"What he said was correcthe knows what he is talking about"

What that SNP are a real danger ? I dont see why when Scotland are part of the UK so as its a UK Election and UK Parliament then if we are truely better together as these 3 UK parties said before the referendum. We are no danger just want to have our voices heard.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"What he said was correcthe knows what he is talking about

What that SNP are a real danger ? I dont see why when Scotland are part of the UK so as its a UK Election and UK Parliament then if we are truely better together as these 3 UK parties said before the referendum. We are no danger just want to have our voices heard. "

Part of the UK but they don't want to be. Your voice was heard last September and we remember how that turned out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause.

There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity.

Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible."

I have to agree with you, we have £1.5tr debt on which the interest alone is costing us £60bn a year (just imagine what happens when interest rates go up!). Listening to people like Nicola Sturgeon saying we need to borrow more is just crazy. That said I do think we need to try and do more to stimulate growth while seeking to create a budget surplus each year.

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"What he said was correcthe knows what he is talking about

What that SNP are a real danger ? I dont see why when Scotland are part of the UK so as its a UK Election and UK Parliament then if we are truely better together as these 3 UK parties said before the referendum. We are no danger just want to have our voices heard.

Part of the UK but they don't want to be. Your voice was heard last September and we remember how that turned out."

Right so because we had our say in Sept now we should sit down and not be heard ? just be happy for whatever happens

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause.

There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity.

Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible."

Of course, if you are someone who genuinely knows anything about macroeconomics rather than farting this stuff straight out of the Daily Mail regurgitator, like...ooh, let's say Simon Wren-Lewis, Oxford University economics professor and author of the highly regarded Mainly Macro blog, then you would also know that what you've written is a load of old bollocks.

Luckily for the Tories of course, most people don't recognise it as bollocks at all, because the right-wing press tell them lies about our economic situation and they simply lap it right up.

Those people are, not surprisingly, the same people who think Nicola Sturgeon is going to steal their pocket money.

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By *1968Man
over a year ago

Wokingham

Interesting!!

I guess different opinions and attitudes makes the world go round !

To think that any of these politicians don't have a hidden agenda that's not part of their manifesto is crazy !

Personally I think the SNP will hold miliband to ransom and it will actually be his own party that joins in a vote of no confidence after 6 months or so.

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By *andy_tomMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton


"They are desperate, so not surprising.

As John Major is the closest thing the Tories have to a working class person, he has been wheeled out to try to appeal to the common man. "

the only connection he has with the common man is that he likes a curry... didnt he have an edweaner one . .

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"What he said was correcthe knows what he is talking about

What that SNP are a real danger ? I dont see why when Scotland are part of the UK so as its a UK Election and UK Parliament then if we are truely better together as these 3 UK parties said before the referendum. We are no danger just want to have our voices heard.

Part of the UK but they don't want to be. Your voice was heard last September and we remember how that turned out.

Right so because we had our say in Sept now we should sit down and not be heard ? just be happy for whatever happens "

Jump up and down and make as much noise as you like but remember we were promised this was a 'once in a generation' event.

The democracy you're so fond of demands you stick by that promise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What he said was correcthe knows what he is talking about

What that SNP are a real danger ? I dont see why when Scotland are part of the UK so as its a UK Election and UK Parliament then if we are truely better together as these 3 UK parties said before the referendum. We are no danger just want to have our voices heard.

Part of the UK but they don't want to be. Your voice was heard last September and we remember how that turned out.

Right so because we had our say in Sept now we should sit down and not be heard ? just be happy for whatever happens

Jump up and down and make as much noise as you like but remember we were promised this was a 'once in a generation' event.

The democracy you're so fond of demands you stick by that promise."
no democracy means by the will of the people and if the people demand it then it should and will happen and promises are a two way street there is no sign all the bribes offered to vote no have been honored yet

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"What he said was correcthe knows what he is talking about

What that SNP are a real danger ? I dont see why when Scotland are part of the UK so as its a UK Election and UK Parliament then if we are truely better together as these 3 UK parties said before the referendum. We are no danger just want to have our voices heard.

Part of the UK but they don't want to be. Your voice was heard last September and we remember how that turned out.

Right so because we had our say in Sept now we should sit down and not be heard ? just be happy for whatever happens

Jump up and down and make as much noise as you like but remember we were promised this was a 'once in a generation' event.

The democracy you're so fond of demands you stick by that promise.no democracy means by the will of the people and if the people demand it then it should and will happen and promises are a two way street there is no sign all the bribes offered to vote no have been honored yet"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause.

There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity.

Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible.

Of course, if you are someone who genuinely knows anything about macroeconomics rather than farting this stuff straight out of the Daily Mail regurgitator, like...ooh, let's say Simon Wren-Lewis, Oxford University economics professor and author of the highly regarded Mainly Macro blog, then you would also know that what you've written is a load of old bollocks.

Luckily for the Tories of course, most people don't recognise it as bollocks at all, because the right-wing press tell them lies about our economic situation and they simply lap it right up.

Those people are, not surprisingly, the same people who think Nicola Sturgeon is going to steal their pocket money."

So just how do you propose we deal with a £1.5trillion debt which is costing us £60billion a year in interest alone? Declare the UK bankrupt?

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By *abrina59TV/TS
over a year ago

moved to cuckold land


"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people.

If Labour get in with the help of the SNP they will be able to vote & pass through legislation that doesn't effect Scotland!!!

You mean something like the poll tax could be trialled in England first !!!!!

That's where the danger lies.."

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"What he said was correcthe knows what he is talking about

What that SNP are a real danger ? I dont see why when Scotland are part of the UK so as its a UK Election and UK Parliament then if we are truely better together as these 3 UK parties said before the referendum. We are no danger just want to have our voices heard.

Part of the UK but they don't want to be. Your voice was heard last September and we remember how that turned out.

Right so because we had our say in Sept now we should sit down and not be heard ? just be happy for whatever happens

Jump up and down and make as much noise as you like but remember we were promised this was a 'once in a generation' event.

The democracy you're so fond of demands you stick by that promise.no democracy means by the will of the people and if the people demand it then it should and will happen and promises are a two way street there is no sign all the bribes offered to vote no have been honored yet"

The 'will of the people' was for No.

The 'Vow' is on it's way. You may not have notice but there's an election going on.

THAT'S democracy.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause.

There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity.

Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible.

Of course, if you are someone who genuinely knows anything about macroeconomics rather than farting this stuff straight out of the Daily Mail regurgitator, like...ooh, let's say Simon Wren-Lewis, Oxford University economics professor and author of the highly regarded Mainly Macro blog, then you would also know that what you've written is a load of old bollocks.

Luckily for the Tories of course, most people don't recognise it as bollocks at all, because the right-wing press tell them lies about our economic situation and they simply lap it right up.

Those people are, not surprisingly, the same people who think Nicola Sturgeon is going to steal their pocket money.

So just how do you propose we deal with a £1.5trillion debt which is costing us £60billion a year in interest alone? Declare the UK bankrupt?"

You service the debt, you end austerity, and you grow the economy properly by allowing recovery to bloom, rather than in the pathetic gasps the government has accidentally managed.

Despite what the right wing press and their Tory lap dogs would have you believe, it's not a pressing issue. A debt that is not sustainable in the long term can still be perfectly sustainable in the short term. The bailiffs are not turning up at our door.

A national economy is not the same as a household economy, despite the media painting it that way for the past five years.

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"What he said was correcthe knows what he is talking about

What that SNP are a real danger ? I dont see why when Scotland are part of the UK so as its a UK Election and UK Parliament then if we are truely better together as these 3 UK parties said before the referendum. We are no danger just want to have our voices heard.

Part of the UK but they don't want to be. Your voice was heard last September and we remember how that turned out.

Right so because we had our say in Sept now we should sit down and not be heard ? just be happy for whatever happens

Jump up and down and make as much noise as you like but remember we were promised this was a 'once in a generation' event.

The democracy you're so fond of demands you stick by that promise.no democracy means by the will of the people and if the people demand it then it should and will happen and promises are a two way street there is no sign all the bribes offered to vote no have been honored yet

The 'will of the people' was for No.

The 'Vow' is on it's way. You may not have notice but there's an election going on.

THAT'S democracy."

Yes it was a no vote but like i have said before people have moved on from last year this is now about Scotland getting a voice.

The way it looks is the parties that wanted Scotland to stay cant move on from the referendum as they keep bringing it up when there is no plans on another one this election is a UK one the Scottish elections are next year and if the people want another referendum then that will be the democracy but as i said right now there is no scottish referendum on the cards.

As for the vow what stops a any of these 3 parties getting in and then backing out of the vow they promised.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


".................

The way it looks is the parties that wanted Scotland to stay cant move on from the referendum as they keep bringing it up when there is no plans on another one "

The way the Nats have 'moved on' from Bannockburn?


" this election is a UK one the Scottish elections are next year and if the people want another referendum then that will be the democracy but as i said right now there is no scottish referendum on the cards.

As for the vow what stops a any of these 3 parties getting in and then backing out of the vow they promised. "

All 3 No parties have promised to implement the Vow. I'll be as pissed off as anyone if any renege on it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hello Edwalu2,

"A national economy is not the same as a household economy, despite the media painting it that way for the past five years."

That is a view widely touted by some economists but economists can be found in all sorts of flavours. Certainly the finances of countries are more complicated than simple household budgets but basics hold true for both.

Simply put, running a deficit costs money and as our full deficit is about 90% of GDP how long will it take to cut that down to a reasonable level? Adding to it makes no sense at all especially as the spending proposed by some is to go into services which is a liability and not an investment for productivity. Add to that the increasing burden of pensions for public service workers paid for out of current GDP the situation looks very severe indeed. Spend now and repent at leisure.

Alec

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause.

There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity.

Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible.

Of course, if you are someone who genuinely knows anything about macroeconomics rather than farting this stuff straight out of the Daily Mail regurgitator, like...ooh, let's say Simon Wren-Lewis, Oxford University economics professor and author of the highly regarded Mainly Macro blog, then you would also know that what you've written is a load of old bollocks.

Luckily for the Tories of course, most people don't recognise it as bollocks at all, because the right-wing press tell them lies about our economic situation and they simply lap it right up.

Those people are, not surprisingly, the same people who think Nicola Sturgeon is going to steal their pocket money.

So just how do you propose we deal with a £1.5trillion debt which is costing us £60billion a year in interest alone? Declare the UK bankrupt?

You service the debt, you end austerity, and you grow the economy properly by allowing recovery to bloom, rather than in the pathetic gasps the government has accidentally managed.

Despite what the right wing press and their Tory lap dogs would have you believe, it's not a pressing issue. A debt that is not sustainable in the long term can still be perfectly sustainable in the short term. The bailiffs are not turning up at our door.

A national economy is not the same as a household economy, despite the media painting it that way for the past five years."

Genius, thank you

Growth currently above long term averages, inflation below long term averages, interest rates significantly below long term averages. The problem is an over bloated public finance position.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause.

There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity.

Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible.

Of course, if you are someone who genuinely knows anything about macroeconomics rather than farting this stuff straight out of the Daily Mail regurgitator, like...ooh, let's say Simon Wren-Lewis, Oxford University economics professor and author of the highly regarded Mainly Macro blog, then you would also know that what you've written is a load of old bollocks.

Luckily for the Tories of course, most people don't recognise it as bollocks at all, because the right-wing press tell them lies about our economic situation and they simply lap it right up.

Those people are, not surprisingly, the same people who think Nicola Sturgeon is going to steal their pocket money.

So just how do you propose we deal with a £1.5trillion debt which is costing us £60billion a year in interest alone? Declare the UK bankrupt?

You service the debt, you end austerity, and you grow the economy properly by allowing recovery to bloom, rather than in the pathetic gasps the government has accidentally managed.

Despite what the right wing press and their Tory lap dogs would have you believe, it's not a pressing issue. A debt that is not sustainable in the long term can still be perfectly sustainable in the short term. The bailiffs are not turning up at our door.

A national economy is not the same as a household economy, despite the media painting it that way for the past five years."

You obviously have a point of view that is so strong that you feel that belittling those who do not share your views is the only way to debate.

Good luck.

Just one thing....

"... Allowing recovery to bloom..." Really?

Like it happens like magic? Tax business, tax the wealthy, support the poor and watch that recovery bloom.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Sure. You probably think the coalition rescued the economy from disaster too, rather than turning a recovery that was already happening when they came to power into a two year cock-up that cost UK taxpayers' a heap of money.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause.

There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity.

Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible.

Of course, if you are someone who genuinely knows anything about macroeconomics rather than farting this stuff straight out of the Daily Mail regurgitator, like...ooh, let's say Simon Wren-Lewis, Oxford University economics professor and author of the highly regarded Mainly Macro blog, then you would also know that what you've written is a load of old bollocks.

Luckily for the Tories of course, most people don't recognise it as bollocks at all, because the right-wing press tell them lies about our economic situation and they simply lap it right up.

Those people are, not surprisingly, the same people who think Nicola Sturgeon is going to steal their pocket money.

So just how do you propose we deal with a £1.5trillion debt which is costing us £60billion a year in interest alone? Declare the UK bankrupt?

You service the debt, you end austerity, and you grow the economy properly by allowing recovery to bloom, rather than in the pathetic gasps the government has accidentally managed.

Despite what the right wing press and their Tory lap dogs would have you believe, it's not a pressing issue. A debt that is not sustainable in the long term can still be perfectly sustainable in the short term. The bailiffs are not turning up at our door.

A national economy is not the same as a household economy, despite the media painting it that way for the past five years.

Genius, thank you

Growth currently above long term averages, inflation below long term averages, interest rates significantly below long term averages. The problem is an over bloated public finance position."

And just imagine where we'd be without austerity. Rather than the minuscule achievements we have now, the national economy might actually be something genuinely worth boasting about, rather than doing so anyway and hoping people don't look at the numbers. The country was on the road to recovery before Osborne blundered into the chancellor's office.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"Sure. You probably think the coalition rescued the economy from disaster too, rather than turning a recovery that was already happening when they came to power into a two year cock-up that cost UK taxpayers' a heap of money. "

I would be interested to see some kind of legitimate verification that the UK was in recovery in 2010. Any non partisan news resource will do fine. By all accounts that I have read and remember we were fairly and squarely in deep shit.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"Sure. You probably think the coalition rescued the economy from disaster too, rather than turning a recovery that was already happening when they came to power into a two year cock-up that cost UK taxpayers' a heap of money.

I would be interested to see some kind of legitimate verification that the UK was in recovery in 2010. Any non partisan news resource will do fine. By all accounts that I have read and remember we were fairly and squarely in deep shit. "

Read Larry Elliott in The Guardian on 16th of this month. All the figures are there. Mainly Macro is in full agreement.

Feel free to try to justify why you dismiss them both, of course.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause.

There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity.

Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible.

Of course, if you are someone who genuinely knows anything about macroeconomics rather than farting this stuff straight out of the Daily Mail regurgitator, like...ooh, let's say Simon Wren-Lewis, Oxford University economics professor and author of the highly regarded Mainly Macro blog, then you would also know that what you've written is a load of old bollocks.

Luckily for the Tories of course, most people don't recognise it as bollocks at all, because the right-wing press tell them lies about our economic situation and they simply lap it right up.

Those people are, not surprisingly, the same people who think Nicola Sturgeon is going to steal their pocket money.

So just how do you propose we deal with a £1.5trillion debt which is costing us £60billion a year in interest alone? Declare the UK bankrupt?

You service the debt, you end austerity, and you grow the economy properly by allowing recovery to bloom, rather than in the pathetic gasps the government has accidentally managed.

Despite what the right wing press and their Tory lap dogs would have you believe, it's not a pressing issue. A debt that is not sustainable in the long term can still be perfectly sustainable in the short term. The bailiffs are not turning up at our door.

A national economy is not the same as a household economy, despite the media painting it that way for the past five years.

Genius, thank you

Growth currently above long term averages, inflation below long term averages, interest rates significantly below long term averages. The problem is an over bloated public finance position.

And just imagine where we'd be without austerity. Rather than the minuscule achievements we have now, the national economy might actually be something genuinely worth boasting about, rather than doing so anyway and hoping people don't look at the numbers. The country was on the road to recovery before Osborne blundered into the chancellor's office.

"

Just maybe, we would be in the same position as France or Italy. We will never know. Call me old fashioned, but continually spending more than you are earning, whether you are a household or a country does not make a lot of sense in the long term. Something has to give at some point, either tax rises or further cuts to public expenditure. The ideological debate is one on which there is a clear divide in this election and the public will make its choice.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause.

There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity.

Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible.

Of course, if you are someone who genuinely knows anything about macroeconomics rather than farting this stuff straight out of the Daily Mail regurgitator, like...ooh, let's say Simon Wren-Lewis, Oxford University economics professor and author of the highly regarded Mainly Macro blog, then you would also know that what you've written is a load of old bollocks.

Luckily for the Tories of course, most people don't recognise it as bollocks at all, because the right-wing press tell them lies about our economic situation and they simply lap it right up.

Those people are, not surprisingly, the same people who think Nicola Sturgeon is going to steal their pocket money.

So just how do you propose we deal with a £1.5trillion debt which is costing us £60billion a year in interest alone? Declare the UK bankrupt?

You service the debt, you end austerity, and you grow the economy properly by allowing recovery to bloom, rather than in the pathetic gasps the government has accidentally managed.

Despite what the right wing press and their Tory lap dogs would have you believe, it's not a pressing issue. A debt that is not sustainable in the long term can still be perfectly sustainable in the short term. The bailiffs are not turning up at our door.

A national economy is not the same as a household economy, despite the media painting it that way for the past five years.

Genius, thank you

Growth currently above long term averages, inflation below long term averages, interest rates significantly below long term averages. The problem is an over bloated public finance position.

And just imagine where we'd be without austerity. Rather than the minuscule achievements we have now, the national economy might actually be something genuinely worth boasting about, rather than doing so anyway and hoping people don't look at the numbers. The country was on the road to recovery before Osborne blundered into the chancellor's office.

Just maybe, we would be in the same position as France or Italy. We will never know. Call me old fashioned, but continually spending more than you are earning, whether you are a household or a country does not make a lot of sense in the long term. Something has to give at some point, either tax rises or further cuts to public expenditure. The ideological debate is one on which there is a clear divide in this election and the public will make its choice. "

Continually stating that we should not do a thing in the long term, when it is being argued that we should do the thing in the short term, suggests that you are ignoring the distinction, or choosing not to recognise it.

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

I once called John Major a prat on national television. However, in this case he has a point.

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By *at2Couple
over a year ago

north Down


"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause.

There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity.

Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible."

Well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause.

There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity.

Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible.

Of course, if you are someone who genuinely knows anything about macroeconomics rather than farting this stuff straight out of the Daily Mail regurgitator, like...ooh, let's say Simon Wren-Lewis, Oxford University economics professor and author of the highly regarded Mainly Macro blog, then you would also know that what you've written is a load of old bollocks.

Luckily for the Tories of course, most people don't recognise it as bollocks at all, because the right-wing press tell them lies about our economic situation and they simply lap it right up.

Those people are, not surprisingly, the same people who think Nicola Sturgeon is going to steal their pocket money.

So just how do you propose we deal with a £1.5trillion debt which is costing us £60billion a year in interest alone? Declare the UK bankrupt?

You service the debt, you end austerity, and you grow the economy properly by allowing recovery to bloom, rather than in the pathetic gasps the government has accidentally managed.

Despite what the right wing press and their Tory lap dogs would have you believe, it's not a pressing issue. A debt that is not sustainable in the long term can still be perfectly sustainable in the short term. The bailiffs are not turning up at our door.

A national economy is not the same as a household economy, despite the media painting it that way for the past five years.

Genius, thank you

Growth currently above long term averages, inflation below long term averages, interest rates significantly below long term averages. The problem is an over bloated public finance position.

And just imagine where we'd be without austerity. Rather than the minuscule achievements we have now, the national economy might actually be something genuinely worth boasting about, rather than doing so anyway and hoping people don't look at the numbers. The country was on the road to recovery before Osborne blundered into the chancellor's office.

Just maybe, we would be in the same position as France or Italy. We will never know. Call me old fashioned, but continually spending more than you are earning, whether you are a household or a country does not make a lot of sense in the long term. Something has to give at some point, either tax rises or further cuts to public expenditure. The ideological debate is one on which there is a clear divide in this election and the public will make its choice.

Continually stating that we should not do a thing in the long term, when it is being argued that we should do the thing in the short term, suggests that you are ignoring the distinction, or choosing not to recognise it."

Now you have me confused. You think that we should continually spend more as a nation than we earn, borrow the shortfall and keep adding to the £1.5trillion national debt that costs us £60billion and rising a year to service??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people.

People in Scotland do, indeed, have the right to vote for whichever party they choose but to suggest that the SNP is NOT a danger to the UK is to forget, or ignore, everything they hold dear.

Did you sleep through the entire referendum campaign?"

oh we do remember the referendum where we where begged to stay a part of the union and promised all sorts which never materialiesed,so now we are still.a part of the union we have a democratic right the same as every other party to do what is best for the ppl you represent

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause.

There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity.

Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible.

Of course, if you are someone who genuinely knows anything about macroeconomics rather than farting this stuff straight out of the Daily Mail regurgitator, like...ooh, let's say Simon Wren-Lewis, Oxford University economics professor and author of the highly regarded Mainly Macro blog, then you would also know that what you've written is a load of old bollocks.

Luckily for the Tories of course, most people don't recognise it as bollocks at all, because the right-wing press tell them lies about our economic situation and they simply lap it right up.

Those people are, not surprisingly, the same people who think Nicola Sturgeon is going to steal their pocket money.

So just how do you propose we deal with a £1.5trillion debt which is costing us £60billion a year in interest alone? Declare the UK bankrupt?

You service the debt, you end austerity, and you grow the economy properly by allowing recovery to bloom, rather than in the pathetic gasps the government has accidentally managed.

Despite what the right wing press and their Tory lap dogs would have you believe, it's not a pressing issue. A debt that is not sustainable in the long term can still be perfectly sustainable in the short term. The bailiffs are not turning up at our door.

A national economy is not the same as a household economy, despite the media painting it that way for the past five years.

Genius, thank you

Growth currently above long term averages, inflation below long term averages, interest rates significantly below long term averages. The problem is an over bloated public finance position.

And just imagine where we'd be without austerity. Rather than the minuscule achievements we have now, the national economy might actually be something genuinely worth boasting about, rather than doing so anyway and hoping people don't look at the numbers. The country was on the road to recovery before Osborne blundered into the chancellor's office.

Just maybe, we would be in the same position as France or Italy. We will never know. Call me old fashioned, but continually spending more than you are earning, whether you are a household or a country does not make a lot of sense in the long term. Something has to give at some point, either tax rises or further cuts to public expenditure. The ideological debate is one on which there is a clear divide in this election and the public will make its choice.

Continually stating that we should not do a thing in the long term, when it is being argued that we should do the thing in the short term, suggests that you are ignoring the distinction, or choosing not to recognise it.

Now you have me confused. You think that we should continually spend more as a nation than we earn, borrow the shortfall and keep adding to the £1.5trillion national debt that costs us £60billion and rising a year to service??"

In the short term - Yes! In the long term - No!

Are you spotting the difference yet?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people.

People in Scotland do, indeed, have the right to vote for whichever party they choose but to suggest that the SNP is NOT a danger to the UK is to forget, or ignore, everything they hold dear.

Did you sleep through the entire referendum campaign?

oh we do remember the referendum where we where begged to stay a part of the union and promised all sorts which never materialiesed,so now we are still.a part of the union we have a democratic right the same as every other party to do what is best for the ppl you represent"

Give us all a chance to let the promises be delivered. The referendum was 7 months ago not 7 years ago!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Has been guy from a party that hasn't had a majority for decades and will at some point sink into obscurity.

The conservatives are the party who are more likely to cause a breakup of the UK, as they are offering a referendum on the EU. Scotland is firmly in favour of being in it, so if the cons cause us to leave, then the break-up could become more likely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"John Major used to regularly put his dick inside Edwina Currie, knowing this can anybody take him seriously?Irrevilent"

So you consider him of sound judgement?!

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause.

There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity.

Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible.

There could be an end to austerity it has to start somewhere. 2015 and we have foodbanks is shocking! "
. We may have food banks but what checks are undertaken on those who use food banks ?. Where has all their benefit money gone which in theory is enough to buy food . ?

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people. "
. A great leader who got us through some difficult times . A practical down to earth achiever .

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause.

There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity.

Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible.

There could be an end to austerity it has to start somewhere. 2015 and we have foodbanks is shocking! . We may have food banks but what checks are undertaken on those who use food banks ?. Where has all their benefit money gone which in theory is enough to buy food . ?"

Really? Theory and reality don't always match.

For most food banks you can't just turn up. You have to be referred by someone (an agency, social services etc.) who has assessed you need (not want - need) the help.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nah they spunked the benefits cash on fags n booze n sky sports n iphones, obvs.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

John Major - pathetic cheating perv who's bitter after fucking Edwina to the high heavens.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"

Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible."

Well then it seems apt that this thread is about John Major - whose government ran a deficit every year under his tenure as PM.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The SNP are primarily dedicated to two things; getting the best deal for Scotland and Scottish Independence.

They harbour a sincere and heartfelt dislike and mistrust of "the Westminster parliament" believing they, the Scots, have been hard done by in the past; despite the generosity of the Barnett Formula which favours the Scots population per capita over the rest of the UK.

In holding the balance of power and thereby forcing a UK government to unreasonably favour Scotland as the price for permitting them to govern, the SNP in Westminster, led by Alec Salmon (The leader who lost the independence referendum), will eventually achieve both their aims.

The question no one has asked Nicola Sturgeon or Salmon yet is: "If one of the bribes to be lavished on the 5.3 million Scots puts the rest of the 58 million English, Irish and Welsh at a serious disadvantage, will you be willing to vote against or amend the motion?"

The SNP cannot answer yes or the Scots will kick them out. That situation will herald the end of the United Kingdom.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"Sure. You probably think the coalition rescued the economy from disaster too, rather than turning a recovery that was already happening when they came to power into a two year cock-up that cost UK taxpayers' a heap of money. "

So the recovery was happening before the last election? So the recession started and was caused while labour were in power then....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause.

There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity.

Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible.

Of course, if you are someone who genuinely knows anything about macroeconomics rather than farting this stuff straight out of the Daily Mail regurgitator, like...ooh, let's say Simon Wren-Lewis, Oxford University economics professor and author of the highly regarded Mainly Macro blog, then you would also know that what you've written is a load of old bollocks.

Luckily for the Tories of course, most people don't recognise it as bollocks at all, because the right-wing press tell them lies about our economic situation and they simply lap it right up.

Those people are, not surprisingly, the same people who think Nicola Sturgeon is going to steal their pocket money.

So just how do you propose we deal with a £1.5trillion debt which is costing us £60billion a year in interest alone? Declare the UK bankrupt?

You service the debt, you end austerity, and you grow the economy properly by allowing recovery to bloom, rather than in the pathetic gasps the government has accidentally managed.

Despite what the right wing press and their Tory lap dogs would have you believe, it's not a pressing issue. A debt that is not sustainable in the long term can still be perfectly sustainable in the short term. The bailiffs are not turning up at our door.

A national economy is not the same as a household economy, despite the media painting it that way for the past five years.

Genius, thank you

Growth currently above long term averages, inflation below long term averages, interest rates significantly below long term averages. The problem is an over bloated public finance position.

And just imagine where we'd be without austerity. Rather than the minuscule achievements we have now, the national economy might actually be something genuinely worth boasting about, rather than doing so anyway and hoping people don't look at the numbers. The country was on the road to recovery before Osborne blundered into the chancellor's office.

Just maybe, we would be in the same position as France or Italy. We will never know. Call me old fashioned, but continually spending more than you are earning, whether you are a household or a country does not make a lot of sense in the long term. Something has to give at some point, either tax rises or further cuts to public expenditure. The ideological debate is one on which there is a clear divide in this election and the public will make its choice.

Continually stating that we should not do a thing in the long term, when it is being argued that we should do the thing in the short term, suggests that you are ignoring the distinction, or choosing not to recognise it.

Now you have me confused. You think that we should continually spend more as a nation than we earn, borrow the shortfall and keep adding to the £1.5trillion national debt that costs us £60billion and rising a year to service??

In the short term - Yes! In the long term - No!

Are you spotting the difference yet?"

Depends on your view of long term and what the borrowing is for and how its success is measured. National debt has doubled in a 10 year period following the recession, you would expect that. Schemes to build houses, schools, hospitals etc which support the UK infrastructure and should lead to a multiplier effect, I get that too. But simply borrowing to make up a shortfall between income and ordinary spending, particularly with an ever increasing and ageing population which is going to require further spending increases to be supported needs a fiscal plan that does not rely on borrowing in the long term. I have yet to hear anyone set out how in the "long term" this is going to be achieved.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What he said was correcthe knows what he is talking about

What that SNP are a real danger ? I dont see why when Scotland are part of the UK so as its a UK Election and UK Parliament then if we are truely better together as these 3 UK parties said before the referendum. We are no danger just want to have our voices heard.

Part of the UK but they don't want to be. Your voice was heard last September and we remember how that turned out."

That was put to bed last year we built the bridge and got over it...

We are part of the uk it's a uk election and we need someone that puts the ppl of the uk first it's for the ppl to decide...

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By *1968Man
over a year ago

Wokingham


"John Major - pathetic cheating perv who's bitter after fucking Edwina to the high heavens. "

LOL.. im sure many guys on here have fucked women far less attractive than Edwina Currie - hard to believe i know but very true

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By *1968Man
over a year ago

Wokingham


"The SNP are primarily dedicated to two things; getting the best deal for Scotland and Scottish Independence.

They harbour a sincere and heartfelt dislike and mistrust of "the Westminster parliament" believing they, the Scots, have been hard done by in the past; despite the generosity of the Barnett Formula which favours the Scots population per capita over the rest of the UK.

In holding the balance of power and thereby forcing a UK government to unreasonably favour Scotland as the price for permitting them to govern, the SNP in Westminster, led by Alec Salmon (The leader who lost the independence referendum), will eventually achieve both their aims.

The question no one has asked Nicola Sturgeon or Salmon yet is: "If one of the bribes to be lavished on the 5.3 million Scots puts the rest of the 58 million English, Irish and Welsh at a serious disadvantage, will you be willing to vote against or amend the motion?"

The SNP cannot answer yes or the Scots will kick them out. That situation will herald the end of the United Kingdom."

totally agree - be interested to know (as i genuinely dont) how much scotland contribute vs what they cost the tax payer . im thinking we're subsidising them but i dont know for sure.

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By *andy_tomMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton


"John Major - pathetic cheating perv who's bitter after fucking Edwina to the high heavens.

LOL.. im sure many guys on here have fucked women far less attractive than Edwina Currie - hard to believe i know but very true"

did he eat an Edwina Currie ,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause.

There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity.

Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible.

Of course, if you are someone who genuinely knows anything about macroeconomics rather than farting this stuff straight out of the Daily Mail regurgitator, like...ooh, let's say Simon Wren-Lewis, Oxford University economics professor and author of the highly regarded Mainly Macro blog, then you would also know that what you've written is a load of old bollocks.

Luckily for the Tories of course, most people don't recognise it as bollocks at all, because the right-wing press tell them lies about our economic situation and they simply lap it right up.

Those people are, not surprisingly, the same people who think Nicola Sturgeon is going to steal their pocket money.

So just how do you propose we deal with a £1.5trillion debt which is costing us £60billion a year in interest alone? Declare the UK bankrupt?"

Get a Wonga loan !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The SNP are primarily dedicated to two things; getting the best deal for Scotland and Scottish Independence.

They harbour a sincere and heartfelt dislike and mistrust of "the Westminster parliament" believing they, the Scots, have been hard done by in the past; despite the generosity of the Barnett Formula which favours the Scots population per capita over the rest of the UK.

In holding the balance of power and thereby forcing a UK government to unreasonably favour Scotland as the price for permitting them to govern, the SNP in Westminster, led by Alec Salmon (The leader who lost the independence referendum), will eventually achieve both their aims.

The question no one has asked Nicola Sturgeon or Salmon yet is: "If one of the bribes to be lavished on the 5.3 million Scots puts the rest of the 58 million English, Irish and Welsh at a serious disadvantage, will you be willing to vote against or amend the motion?"

The SNP cannot answer yes or the Scots will kick them out. That situation will herald the end of the United Kingdom.

totally agree - be interested to know (as i genuinely dont) how much scotland contribute vs what they cost the tax payer . im thinking we're subsidising them but i dont know for sure."

I i noticed in these debates the Welsh and Irish seem to want a change aswell

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The SNP are primarily dedicated to two things; getting the best deal for Scotland and Scottish Independence.

They harbour a sincere and heartfelt dislike and mistrust of "the Westminster parliament" believing they, the Scots, have been hard done by in the past; despite the generosity of the Barnett Formula which favours the Scots population per capita over the rest of the UK.

In holding the balance of power and thereby forcing a UK government to unreasonably favour Scotland as the price for permitting them to govern, the SNP in Westminster, led by Alec Salmon (The leader who lost the independence referendum), will eventually achieve both their aims.

The question no one has asked Nicola Sturgeon or Salmon yet is: "If one of the bribes to be lavished on the 5.3 million Scots puts the rest of the 58 million English, Irish and Welsh at a serious disadvantage, will you be willing to vote against or amend the motion?"

The SNP cannot answer yes or the Scots will kick them out. That situation will herald the end of the United Kingdom.

totally agree - be interested to know (as i genuinely dont) how much scotland contribute vs what they cost the tax payer . im thinking we're subsidising them but i dont know for sure."
I am not a nationalist.

Scotland have about 8% of the population but contribute over nine per cent tax. The tax office cannot tell where VAT comes from but as Scotland is darker and colder all year round we contribute huge sums in VAT attached to our fuel bills.

Another anomilie is the electricity transmission charges. Scotland produce 12 % of the UK s energy needs but pay 30 % of the transmission costs of the national grid.

So yes theses are just a few ways Scotland pay there way.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"The SNP are primarily dedicated to two things; getting the best deal for Scotland and Scottish Independence.

They harbour a sincere and heartfelt dislike and mistrust of "the Westminster parliament" believing they, the Scots, have been hard done by in the past; despite the generosity of the Barnett Formula which favours the Scots population per capita over the rest of the UK.

In holding the balance of power and thereby forcing a UK government to unreasonably favour Scotland as the price for permitting them to govern, the SNP in Westminster, led by Alec Salmon (The leader who lost the independence referendum), will eventually achieve both their aims.

The question no one has asked Nicola Sturgeon or Salmon yet is: "If one of the bribes to be lavished on the 5.3 million Scots puts the rest of the 58 million English, Irish and Welsh at a serious disadvantage, will you be willing to vote against or amend the motion?"

The SNP cannot answer yes or the Scots will kick them out. That situation will herald the end of the United Kingdom.

totally agree - be interested to know (as i genuinely dont) how much scotland contribute vs what they cost the tax payer . im thinking we're subsidising them but i dont know for sure.I am not a nationalist.

Scotland have about 8% of the population but contribute over nine per cent tax. The tax office cannot tell where VAT comes from but as Scotland is darker and colder all year round we contribute huge sums in VAT attached to our fuel bills.

Another anomilie is the electricity transmission charges. Scotland produce 12 % of the UK s energy needs but pay 30 % of the transmission costs of the national grid.

So yes theses are just a few ways Scotland pay there way."

They're 2013 figures and include revenue from oil and gas when it was $130 per barrel. Excluding this revenue, the tax take as a percentage of the total tax take of the UK is 8.2%, the population is 8.3%. However, the Barnett formula means that for every £1 of public money per person spent in England, each person in Scotland gets about £1.20. This extra goes a long way to allowing Scots to have free prescriptions and university tuition.

Having said all this, I'm not averse to the fact that the SNP may 'hold sway' in a UK government. The Tories, labour and liberals can't have it both ways... they wanted the union to remain, so they have to accept the outcome of a democratic process. You reap what you sow, as it were.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


" Having said all this, I'm not averse to the fact that the SNP may 'hold sway' in a UK government. The Tories, labour and liberals can't have it both ways... they wanted the union to remain, so they have to accept the outcome of a democratic process. You reap what you sow, as it were."

Can't argue with that in the main. Though if I recall, didn't Blair only manage to raise university fees in 2004 for English students by relying on his Scottish Labour MPs?

Voting to charge, or tax, another nation's students is the opposite of the Boston Tea Party, Representation without Taxation!

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"The SNP are primarily dedicated to two things; getting the best deal for Scotland and Scottish Independence.

They harbour a sincere and heartfelt dislike and mistrust of "the Westminster parliament" believing they, the Scots, have been hard done by in the past; despite the generosity of the Barnett Formula which favours the Scots population per capita over the rest of the UK.

In holding the balance of power and thereby forcing a UK government to unreasonably favour Scotland as the price for permitting them to govern, the SNP in Westminster, led by Alec Salmon (The leader who lost the independence referendum), will eventually achieve both their aims.

The question no one has asked Nicola Sturgeon or Salmon yet is: "If one of the bribes to be lavished on the 5.3 million Scots puts the rest of the 58 million English, Irish and Welsh at a serious disadvantage, will you be willing to vote against or amend the motion?"

The SNP cannot answer yes or the Scots will kick them out. That situation will herald the end of the United Kingdom.

totally agree - be interested to know (as i genuinely dont) how much scotland contribute vs what they cost the tax payer . im thinking we're subsidising them but i dont know for sure.I am not a nationalist.

Scotland have about 8% of the population but contribute over nine per cent tax. The tax office cannot tell where VAT comes from but as Scotland is darker and colder all year round we contribute huge sums in VAT attached to our fuel bills.

Another anomilie is the electricity transmission charges. Scotland produce 12 % of the UK s energy needs but pay 30 % of the transmission costs of the national grid.

So yes theses are just a few ways Scotland pay there way."
. How much does this equate to in money terms and is it more or less than Scotland_receives overall. ?

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


" Having said all this, I'm not averse to the fact that the SNP may 'hold sway' in a UK government. The Tories, labour and liberals can't have it both ways... they wanted the union to remain, so they have to accept the outcome of a democratic process. You reap what you sow, as it were.

Can't argue with that in the main. Though if I recall, didn't Blair only manage to raise university fees in 2004 for English students by relying on his Scottish Labour MPs?

Voting to charge, or tax, another nation's students is the opposite of the Boston Tea Party, Representation without Taxation!

"

You're absolutely correct, although labour would argue that the labour party is a UK wide party.

The other side of the coin is the poll tax was originally trialled in Scotland.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"

The other side of the coin is the poll tax was originally trialled in Scotland.

"

You could say it's the same side of the coin, that that was equally wrong, and Scottish MPs should have been able to veto it. Perhaps then the whole idea would have been scrapped without the need for rioting and driving a wedge between the nations of our great country.

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By *uyfromchiMan
over a year ago

CHICHESTER

nice peas norma !

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