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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Fed up with this election infact all elections being about families or single parents... what about us hard working (from aged 16), part time study while working, single people who have worked damn hard for this country, managed to get on the housing ladder with one salary pay all my taxes and get in return 25% off my council tax whoopee... I earn more than I have ever earned through my own hard work and perseverance yet am worse off than I have ever been... Working with politicians daily who are only in it really for their own end and with the odd MP thrown in for good measure in Local Government I know we have a poor reputation and you may disagree but my point is what is in it for us single folk?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have to admit I find the constant "hard working families" rhetoric around this election a bit grating. Why can't it just be "hard working people"?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

It's a case of dry bread today and jam tomorrow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it helps i'm a single parent and have been made worse off too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I always struggle with the generic throwaway that "all MPs are in it for themselves" rhetoric that gets banded around, particularly around election time.

For one thing, many MPs, of all political persuasions, work bloody hard for their constituents (of course there will be some 'bad eggs' as in any walk of life) and secondly, if so many people are disillusioned why doesn't 'Joe Average' stand for Parliament and seek election then? Surely with all the discontent with mainstream MPs they'd walk a vote wouldn't they? After all we have the MPs we vote for!

Simplistic view perhaps, but no more so than the 'all MPs are rotters' spiel that many roll out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

MPs are just bunch liars, promise earth, get voted in and don't deliver, too busy claiming expenses.

To OP I'm single parent, work full time, have done since left school, been with current company 15 years, worked my way up, and I'm worse off than ever been to, not just single workers that are struggling, difference is I need to make my money stretch to look after my daughter, you only have yourself to make your money stretch to

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By *o-jCouple
over a year ago

Outskirts of Notts


"I always struggle with the generic throwaway that "all MPs are in it for themselves" rhetoric that gets banded around, particularly around election time.

For one thing, many MPs, of all political persuasions, work bloody hard for their constituents (of course there will be some 'bad eggs' as in any walk of life) and secondly, if so many people are disillusioned why doesn't 'Joe Average' stand for Parliament and seek election then? Surely with all the discontent with mainstream MPs they'd walk a vote wouldn't they? After all we have the MPs we vote for!

Simplistic view perhaps, but no more so than the 'all MPs are rotters' spiel that many roll out. "

Work? waving bits of paper at each other for £68k + expenses of an average of £75k a year , hardly any of these people have worked in the private sector and know sod all about work , as for anyone else standing we haven't got the financial clout to do that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What I find laughable is the statement often thrown about by left wing MP's about the 'Wealthy paying their share'

If they actually took a look at the Tax system in this country, they'd find that the wealthy pay MORE than their share.

Let's look at it like this.

If you earn (currently) £10,600 or less you pay NO INCOME TAX Whatsoever.

Above £10,000 p.a. you pay tax at 20% on your earnings between £10,600 and £42,385. (But still pay no tax on the first £10,600)

If you earn above £42,386, you pay 40% on any earnings above that and 20% on the first £32,385 of taxable income (£6,477 Tax).

If you earn over £150,000, you pay 45% tax on any income above the £150,000 (together with £53,523 - your tax on earnings up to £150K)

In addition, anyone who earns above £100,000 loses £1 of their personal (tax free) allowance for every £2 earned above £100,000 until their personal allowance reaches £0. - So, anyone earning over £121,200 pays income tax on their entire earnings.

So the argument that the wealthy should pay more is rather a false one - especially when you consider that everyone has an equal right to use the services, such as the NHS, Education etc, that Taxes pay for - regardless of how much they contribute.

And you'll probably find that the more wealthy tend to have private health insurance and send their children to public schools - so paying extra for alternative services that they've payed for through taxation.

Let's look at it slightly differently

How many take part in Lottery syndicates?

Do those on lower incomes pay less into the syndicate than others?

No. Usually, everyone will pay in the same amount - and therefore expects an equal share of any winnings.

Let's for example take an example of a syndicate of 10 people.

Amongst those taking part, there is a broad spread of incomes, from the lowest earning £150 per week and the highest earning, let's say £5,000 per week (just hypothetical)

2 scenarios.

1st. Everyone pays in £1 per week.

The syndicate wins £100,000 and that amount is split 10 ways - everyone gets £10,000 - Totally fair.

2nd scenario.

The two lowest earners contribute nothing and the two highest earners pay double,

The syndicate wins £100K and everyone taking part expects their £10,000 share of the winnings.

Sound fair? And yet this is pretty much how our tax system runs in this country and yet many argue that the wealthy should pay even more.

Now, before you all accuse me of being a high earning tory supporter, I am actually on a very low income (next to nothing) and struggling to get my own business started. I am in no way suggesting that there should be a flat rate of income tax, across the board, for everyone.

I'm just trying to dispel the myth that the poorer of us in society are getting such a raw deal.

I believe that success and ambition should be encouraged. I certainly strive to do as best as I can and pay my way. I also support those that have worked hard to achieve what they have and do not resent anyone for success.

Just saying.

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By *o-jCouple
over a year ago

Outskirts of Notts

Oliver Cromwell Speech - Dissolution of the Long Parliament

Dissolution of the Long Parliament by Oliver Cromwell given to the House of Commons, 20 April 1653

It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.

Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?

Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.

In the name of God, go!

Has anything changed from his time ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You've got me thinking now, where's our money going because everything's been cut.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"You've got me thinking now, where's our money going because everything's been cut."

11% pay rise for MPs plus their expenses claims.

Bank bailouts.

Waste in public services due to contracts being awarded based on who is a shareholder in which companies, or kickbacks, or other incentives.

Ever increasing bureaucracy.

Implementation of failing money pit systems such as universal credit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You've got me thinking now, where's our money going because everything's been cut.

11% pay rise for MPs plus their expenses claims.

Bank bailouts.

Waste in public services due to contracts being awarded based on who is a shareholder in which companies, or kickbacks, or other incentives.

Ever increasing bureaucracy.

Implementation of failing money pit systems such as universal credit.

"

Can't believe i forgot about their raises and everything else. I stopped paying attention some time ago.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I always struggle with the generic throwaway that "all MPs are in it for themselves" rhetoric that gets banded around, particularly around election time.

For one thing, many MPs, of all political persuasions, work bloody hard for their constituents (of course there will be some 'bad eggs' as in any walk of life) and secondly, if so many people are disillusioned why doesn't 'Joe Average' stand for Parliament and seek election then? Surely with all the discontent with mainstream MPs they'd walk a vote wouldn't they? After all we have the MPs we vote for!

Simplistic view perhaps, but no more so than the 'all MPs are rotters' spiel that many roll out. "

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