FabSwingers.com forum: Benefits

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yes. Another thread about benefits but I want to know what people waste their benefits on?

I work full time and was speaking to my sister about it. She was on benefits and never moaned about a thing whilst claiming. She has two children and understood that she had to give up luxuries.

Basically, she knew she could not have a smart phone/tablet or contract. She knew that she could not go out drinking or to restaurants. Takeaways were given up. Her Sky/Virgin box was cancelled. No holidays or trips away. Basically she stripped back ALL of her luxuries and used her money for food, clothing, utilities and shelter. The essentials only.

She said that she knew that if she wanted to have luxuries then she had to earn them. The children were well fed with a healthy and balanced diet. They wore new clothes from Asda/Tesco/Primark etc.

She planned her incomings and outgoings to the penny with careful meal plans and no luxury food items.

What she cannot fathom is how people moan they cannot afford to live on benefits. Where is there money going?

On a side note, she now works. She went to the library and self taught herself Excel/word/sage etc and is now a receptionist. Her children are also dreams. They are very smart from lots of library visits. They have a great circle of friends. Very popular in school. Play outdoors as often as possible and do not want a thing. It was probably a blessing that they were not spoilt and were raised on benefits.

So again, why do people moan benefits are too low? Where is the money going?

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

Beer n fags bruv

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By *rcticFoxxxWoman
over a year ago

Hereabouts

Being off work from my horrendous bear wrestling incident.. I'm on ESA. Now I'm lucky enough to have very few bills. Most of my money goes on bills.. And unfortunately I renewed my phone contract while I was working, so that's got another year and a half on it. I'm usually a little bit short each month... But I smoke so it's my own bloody fault for spending £40 a month on bacci. I don't go out drinking, I don't order takeaway, I pay my bills on time (mostly.. Although 4 days behind on my phone bill isn't the end of the world). But I know a lot of people who say they can't afford to live on benefits.. Yet they get manicures every couple of weeks and order takeaway all the time. On the other hand, somebody I know earns between £500-900 a month (bank work, but she won't ask for a contract).. And she lives with her mum.. She wants to move out but she's adamant that she should get her entire rent paid by housing benefit... And she argues saying "I've got friends the same age as me who get their rent and all their bills paid for them and they work full time"... Which I'm pretty sure isn't true! Anyway my point is, she spends about £100 a week on nights out drinking and that's why she's adamant she can't afford rent etc. so it's not just people on benefits who don't know how to budget their money

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Sex, drugs, rock and roll.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who is saying that their benefits are too low ?

I'm not on benefits - but you are generalising.

People with addictions - that's a whole different ball game.

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

come on guys and girls ...fess up ...the mayor needs to know ....what in gods name do you do with this tenner every day !??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"come on guys and girls ...fess up ...the mayor needs to know ....what in gods name do you do with this tenner every day !??

I got the hole for my leg in a pair of undies in Harvey Nichols. Worth every penny too .......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Isn't Utopia a wonderful Place

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Why should tax payers money be spent on luxuries by benefit claimers? The internet is a luxury as it is not food, shelter or clothing yet there are lots of people on here that openly claim. This suggests that they have smart phone/tablets with contracts/pay as you go or paid monthly internet at home. Before somebody says the cloud or public wifi; adult sites are not available.

My point being, if this, along with beer/cigarettes is affordable on benefits, the govt should be looking at reducing the amount being paid to people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why should tax payers money be spent on luxuries by benefit claimers? The internet is a luxury as it is not food, shelter or clothing yet there are lots of people on here that openly claim. This suggests that they have smart phone/tablets with contracts/pay as you go or paid monthly internet at home. Before somebody says the cloud or public wifi; adult sites are not available.

My point being, if this, along with beer/cigarettes is affordable on benefits, the govt should be looking at reducing the amount being paid to people."

You cannot tar everyone on benefits with the same brush though !

Doesn't the newly unemployed person need the Internet to get emails for job applications ?

The alcoholic will go without food to buy booze . The list goes on !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would be more concerned with child benefits being given to immigrants whose fecking kids live 'back home' whatever country that is.....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Your local library and job centre/recruitment office has internet access to search and apply for jobs. It also has the facilities to print CVs.

If you want to go down the route of alcoholics then only pay benefits in coupons.....and make it policy to be med-screened.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My point being, if this, along with beer/cigarettes is affordable on benefits, the govt should be looking at reducing the amount being paid to people.

You cannot tar everyone on benefits with the same brush though !

Doesn't the newly unemployed person need the Internet to get emails for job applications ?

The alcoholic will go without food to buy booze . The list goes on !

But He can though, The Sister is perfect, The Kids are perfect therefore those that do things any different are Scroungers and need to be publicly Flogged with a Mouldy Cucumber and forced to live in a Cardboard Box under a Railway Arch

Gimp

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

My point being, if this, along with beer/cigarettes is affordable on benefits, the govt should be looking at reducing the amount being paid to people."

As soon as you say the Internet (and by extension, a means of accessing it) is a luxury, you mark your opinions on the matter as...well, let's be charitable and say 'ill considered'.

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By *ilmiss75Woman
over a year ago

Thornton

And what about those people who are single parents? That do work and also get a benefit along side there job?

Are you saying there should not be allowed the benefit?

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

I expect some people have bills that they can't just cancel when they lose their job like credit cards/store cards/catalogues/hp payments on a car.

My parents struggled for 6 months last year when my dad had to go sick for an operation and recovery time. Normally they pay everything no problem but when he was getting £80 a week (roughly i don't remember exact) sick pay instead of £400 a week working it wasn't so easy.

Some things people take out a contract for 12/18/24 months and can't just cancel them if they are out of work like phones/Internet.

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

OK OP ... you say a tenner a day is too much and we need to reduce this ...how much would you suggest a person should have to live on on a daily basis ?

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"I would be more concerned with child benefits being given to immigrants whose fecking kids live 'back home' whatever country that is....."

...whilst I'm concerned at home grown lazy arses who have no intention of working. More of them than those sending child benefit "back home".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Your local library and job centre/recruitment office has internet access to search and apply for jobs. It also has the facilities to print CVs.

If you want to go down the route of alcoholics then only pay benefits in coupons.....and make it policy to be med-screened. "

And if you have young children under school age , are you taking them with you to the library all day ? If your library is ten miles away and you have no form of transport , are you using your money for the bus fare or feeding your family ? It's just not as cut and dried as you seem to think.

Coupons for alcoholics - no idea if that would work. It's getting them to engage with it that's the difficulty. Its a horrid illness that many wish they could escape.

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

It could be argued that internet and phone is a necessity these days, not a luxury.

There reason I mention this is many companies advertise jobs online and expect CVs and even interviews to be available and conducted online. In a similar manner they expect to be able to contact applicants by phone.

Not everyone lives in a location where there are internet hotspots as we get in cities.

I take your point that benefits must be controlled but it is false economy to cut benefits so much that someone on benefits cannot come off them due to being out of contact. In the same way it is false economy to reduce benifits to such a level that a job applicant is not able to dress appropriately for an interview or have enough spare cash to travel to an interview.

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By *ustcutieWoman
over a year ago

edinburgh

I'm pretty sure there's not much left after gas, electricity and food !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My point being, if this, along with beer/cigarettes is affordable on benefits, the govt should be looking at reducing the amount being paid to people."

Kinda shows how ill informed people are. Internet now is considered the main way of looking for work, even if you see one advertised in the paper how do you apply? Then once you apply how are you supposed to know you have a interview if having a phone is a luxury and should get rid of it?

The trouble is lots of people who comment against benefits have never needed them and I'd hope they never need too. It's not always easy as the OP's post suggests

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My point being, if this, along with beer/cigarettes is affordable on benefits, the govt should be looking at reducing the amount being paid to people.

The trouble is lots of people who comment against benefits have never needed them and I'd hope they never need too. It's not always easy as the OP's post suggests"

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I work full time and pay a higher tax than most so my internet is paid by myself.

It is easy to implement, will raise much needed funds, and may be a kick up the backside to people that just give excuses.

People that have outstanding debts? Declare yourselves bankrupt and start again. The banks can afford it and if your credit rating is effected who is to blame?

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

"I'm pretty sure there's not much left after gas, electricity and food !!!"

And water, and toiletries, and cleaning stuff, and the small contribution to your council tax...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Excuses again. If a person is determined enough to help themselves they can. My Original message said my sister budgeted to the penny. Herself and children wore new clothes from supermarkets etc.

If you need clothes for an interview the job centre will help. It will also assist in getting you to interviews.

Phone interviews can still happen. An old mobile and sim can still take calls.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Again....toiletries are part of your budget.

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By *abes in the woodWoman
over a year ago

wales

What a post degrading people on benefit me myself single parent 2 kids and I would put money away save I dont drink smoke but I stock my food up every fortnight clothes is when needed my kids shelter come first people out their had no joince to have credit cards etc for luxury yeah my pc aint us on benefit allow luxury

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By *ustcutieWoman
over a year ago

edinburgh

"I'm pretty sure there's not much left after gas, electricity and food !!!

And water, and toiletries, and cleaning stuff, and the small contribution to your council tax... "

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By *rcticFoxxxWoman
over a year ago

Hereabouts

"OK OP ... you say a tenner a day is too much and we need to reduce this ...how much would you suggest a person should have to live on on a daily basis ? "

£8.19

That's what I get for something I have little control over. Actually, I have a lot of control over it... I could go to physio every single day and want to die from the pain.. But I'm choosing to wait for my pain management appointment before I do that. So OP, if you have an issue with every person who is on benefits, I'll swap lives with you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes. Another thread about benefits but I want to know what people waste their benefits on?

I work full time and was speaking to my sister about it. She was on benefits and never moaned about a thing whilst claiming. She has two children and understood that she had to give up luxuries.

She said that she knew that if she wanted to have luxuries then she had to earn them. The children were well fed with a healthy and balanced diet. They wore new clothes from Asda/Tesco/Primark etc.

She planned her incomings and outgoings to the penny with careful meal plans and no luxury food items.

What she cannot fathom is how people moan they cannot afford to live on benefits. Where is there money going?

So again, why do people moan benefits are too low? Where is the money going?"

I stopped reading after you accused people of waating benefits in your first paragraph I assume it waa a rhetorical question and the rest a rant stigmatising the unemployed

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By *rcticFoxxxWoman
over a year ago

Hereabouts

"Excuses again. If a person is determined enough to help themselves they can. My Original message said my sister budgeted to the penny. Herself and children wore new clothes from supermarkets etc.

If you need clothes for an interview the job centre will help. It will also assist in getting you to interviews.

Phone interviews can still happen. An old mobile and sim can still take calls.

The job centre won't help you with clothes. And your travel to interviews comes out of your benefits.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes. Another thread about benefits but I want to know what people waste their benefits on?

I work full time and was speaking to my sister about it. She was on benefits and never moaned about a thing whilst claiming. She has two children and understood that she had to give up luxuries.

She said that she knew that if she wanted to have luxuries then she had to earn them. The children were well fed with a healthy and balanced diet. They wore new clothes from Asda/Tesco/Primark etc.

She planned her incomings and outgoings to the penny with careful meal plans and no luxury food items.

What she cannot fathom is how people moan they cannot afford to live on benefits. Where is there money going?

So again, why do people moan benefits are too low? Where is the money going?"

How can they moan, when half of them can and do get I phones/tablets/console games/fags/booze the list goes on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I work full time and pay a higher tax than most so my internet is paid by myself.

It is easy to implement, will raise much needed funds, and may be a kick up the backside to people that just give excuses.

People that have outstanding debts? Declare yourselves bankrupt and start again. The banks can afford it and if your credit rating is effected who is to blame?"

How do you find the money to declare yourself bankrupt? It costs £100s

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You are degrading people that need this OP, the junkies pissheads ect i can understand, it is insulting.

I hope you dont have to eat your words if you get in that position.

Dont knock those on the way up, or you may meet them on the way back down.

Her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I work full time and pay a higher tax than most "

So why didn't you help your sister out when she was struggling

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

"I work full time and pay a higher tax than most

So why didn't you help your sister out when she was struggling

Coz it was character building...

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

"I work full time and pay a higher tax than most so my internet is paid by myself.

It is easy to implement, will raise much needed funds, and may be a kick up the backside to people that just give excuses.

People that have outstanding debts? Declare yourselves bankrupt and start again. The banks can afford it and if your credit rating is effected who is to blame?

How do you find the money to declare yourself bankrupt? It costs £100s"

I actually didn't know that, just googled it and it's £705 in England. And has a huge affect on your future.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the OP does have some very valid points but the way it has come across is just a bit wrong.

All cases of benefits are individual. And yes it is extremely frustrating to see people on benefits going on holidays etc... When people who work 72 hour weeks can't afford to do the same.

But that obviously doesn't mean all people on benefits do that.

Like I said all cases are individual

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By *rcticFoxxxWoman
over a year ago

Hereabouts

"You are degrading people that need this OP, the junkies pissheads ect i can understand, it is insulting.

I hope you dont have to eat your words if you get in that position.

Dont knock those on the way up, or you may meet them on the way back down.

Her"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem with this is that 'benefits' is such a wide term, and people receiving benefits will be in such a wide range of circumstances that you can't say what they should or should not do. Are you just talking about JSA, or 'in-work' benefits as well?

Of course there will be people who take the piss and waste it all. There are other people who don't, but who are still genuinely struggling and going without. Lumping everyone on benefits into one big group is not a helpful exercise.

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By *4nc3rCouple
over a year ago

Clacton-On-Sea, Essex

My point being, if this, along with beer/cigarettes is affordable on benefits, the govt should be looking at reducing the amount being paid to people."

The cloud allows adult sites, as my phones 3G I've never bothered to turn off content control so I frequently use cloud access to log in while I'm at work or out and about lol

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By *rcticFoxxxWoman
over a year ago

Hereabouts

"The problem with this is that 'benefits' is such a wide term, and people receiving benefits will be in such a wide range of circumstances that you can't say what they should or should not do. Are you just talking about JSA, or 'in-work' benefits as well?

It's like saying people on DLA or carers allowance are the same as those people who have never worked a day in their life, deliberately with no real reason.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I sometimes find the forums a great way to learn who you have nothing in common with

I think some people in ivory towers should actually try living on benefits. I had to for a really short period and as well as being the most miserable 6 weeks of my life it was also the most enlightening. We could all find ourselves without a job or in a bad situation marriage break ups, poor health, redundancy are all mainly out of our control. But OP you continue to judge I am sure it makes you feel better to know you are better than most.

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

im bracing myself for the explanation of where people find the money from to declare themselves bankrupt !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I sometimes find the forums a great way to learn who you have nothing in common with

I so want to live in Utopia..Will the Council give me an Exchange ?

Gimp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My point being, if this, along with beer/cigarettes is affordable on benefits, the govt should be looking at reducing the amount being paid to people."

How do you suggest someone job hunts with neither a phone or the internet?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes. Another thread about benefits but I want to know what people waste their benefits on?

I work full time and was speaking to my sister about it. She was on benefits and never moaned about a thing whilst claiming. She has two children and understood that she had to give up luxuries.

She said that she knew that if she wanted to have luxuries then she had to earn them. The children were well fed with a healthy and balanced diet. They wore new clothes from Asda/Tesco/Primark etc.

She planned her incomings and outgoings to the penny with careful meal plans and no luxury food items.

What she cannot fathom is how people moan they cannot afford to live on benefits. Where is there money going?

So again, why do people moan benefits are too low? Where is the money going?"

I saw a great article about how sometimes you can't simply give things up. The woman in question was an American who was bullied for not giving up things like her Mercedes car - that was fully paid off, in really good condition, reliable, etc. To sell it off and buy a second hand one she would have had to take a huge hit on the value of the car and she would have paid more in insurance.

And phone contracts - when I was unemployed and on benefits I couldn't just give up my contract. It was a 24 month contract and I was locked in. £40 a month... gone. Over £200 to get out of my contract - more economical to keep it in the long run. No point in selling it because there's no value in a handset second hand.

Good for your sister. But I went from a 20k job to nothing, with no redundancy and all the bills associated with a 20k job for at least the next six months... £64 a week doesn't cover it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Terminally ill people get higher rate benefits - do you disagree with that ?

Those with learning difficulties who are unable to work ?

That guy who got a spinal cord injury and is paralysed from the neck down.

Benefits are there for a reason to protect the vulnerable !

And re the Internet , children within families on benefits . How do they access homework portals if they don't have it !

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"You are degrading people that need this OP, the junkies pissheads ect i can understand, it is insulting.

I hope you dont have to eat your words if you get in that position.

Dont knock those on the way up, or you may meet them on the way back down.

Her"

Whilst we know people on benefits who appear to be able to afford things we can't, I do think you're believing too much of what you read in the Daily Mail/Channel 5 shockumentaries OP.

There will always be a few who manage to milk the system for a short period, but the majority must really struggle every single day.

Personally I'm happy they can choose to spend their money how they choose without someone following them round Sainsburys tutting if they dare put anything other than Basics Beans in their trolley.

And everyone moans they don't have enough money, even bankers.

Mr ddc

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By *4nc3rCouple
over a year ago

Clacton-On-Sea, Essex

There are many type or benefits and many types of people...

My mum has JSA and housing benefit goes straight to the council - that's all she gets. She's lived in her home for 30 years and now she's going to have to move and leave her home because the bedroom tax rules takes £100 a month from her allowance - which obviously has to come from somewhere.

So £280 a month JSA - 100 bedroom tax, - already leaves just £180 a month... A month!! That's £45 a week, then she has to pay out for her prescriptions that she's not entitled to on the NHS, and then she can pay electric and gas, and finally some food maybe if there's anything left.

When you have Children benefits can seem huge (an extra £70-100 a week per child) but when you are literally just on ESA/JSA and you have a home to pay for its not enough.

In my honest opinion, the majority of people on JSA as their only income are probably doing something illegal to generate extra cash cause £50 a week to pay bills too surely doesn't leave space for a drink at the weekend lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The internet is a luxury as it is not food, shelter or clothing yet there are lots of people on here that openly claim"

The job centre will take away your benefits if you don't prove that you've been looking online for work - including on their own site (I believe that they can see your activity on there).

Internet and phone line costs me £20.20 per month. It used to cost me £5.40 to get the bus into town where I could use the job centres internet, or £4.50 to park.

Which makes more sense?

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By *he devil wears pradaWoman
over a year ago

gosport ish

"I sometimes find the forums a great way to learn who you have nothing in common with

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

"Your local library and job centre/recruitment office has internet access to search and apply for jobs. It also has the facilities to print CVs.

If you want to go down the route of alcoholics then only pay benefits in coupons.....and make it policy to be med-screened. "

Many libraries have been closed down or are open for restricted hours and not every day. My local library has two old slow computers. They also charge for printing. If every person on benefits used the library for Internet access the queues would be enormous and not everyone would get time online.

People on JSA have an agreement to apply for x number of jobs a week and are expected to prove that they have done so. If they don't they will be censured and their benefits stopped. Job centre and benefits agency staff will ask about access to the Internet and now regard it as one of your necessities because so many jobs are only advertised online. Anyone without it is considered at a major disadvantage.

OP you have a point, many in this country, especially the poorest, have no idea how to budget or how to feed themselves cheaply. It can be done but it's a skill which needs to be learnt.

However, this part of your argument is lost amongst the sweeping statements and judgements you're making about those on benefits.

As for some of your recommendations, well, they'd cost a fortune to implement! Would you be happy to pay even more tax to fund them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Your local library and job centre/recruitment office has internet access to search and apply for jobs. It also has the facilities to print CVs.

Ah, the government closed lots of local libraries. Many others don't have internet that works. And they charge you to print.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

Personally for the time i was on benefits from not working i was much like your sister and cut back the luxeries to use the money for what it was intended food, bills, clothing and accommodation always had plenty, some months were harder than other but i managed by budgetting well.

Now I work but part time and the rest is topped up by work benefits such as working tax credits and the only luxury i have back is my sky tv package and an occassional social evening out with friends or day out with the kids and that again is from budgetting well, which is something not a lot learn to do well.

Having said all that im not nor never have been a smoker, I rarely gamble on the lotto/scratchcards and I only drink socially occassionally and then i rarely drink.much usually come home fairly sober. Which are the typical stigmatised items that people get judged for frittering away their out of work benefits on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I sometimes find the forums a great way to learn who you have nothing in common with

Same here. I was unemployed for 3 months followed by a spell on minimum wage a few years ago. It's a fucking horrendous existence

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You are degrading people that need this OP, the junkies pissheads ect i can understand, it is insulting.

I hope you dont have to eat your words if you get in that position.

Dont knock those on the way up, or you may meet them on the way back down.

Her

Whilst we know people on benefits who appear to be able to afford things we can't, I do think you're believing too much of what you read in the Daily Mail/Channel 5 shockumentaries OP.

There will always be a few who manage to milk the system for a short period, but the majority must really struggle every single day.

Personally I'm happy they can choose to spend their money how they choose without someone following them round Sainsburys tutting if they dare put anything other than Basics Beans in their trolley.

And everyone moans they don't have enough money, even bankers.

Mr ddc"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My point being, if this, along with beer/cigarettes is affordable on benefits, the govt should be looking at reducing the amount being paid to people.

How do you suggest someone job hunts with neither a phone or the internet?"

The Library of course, It will do the scrounging Buggers good to stand in a q with 2000 other people and their screaming kids for 5 Hours every day to use a Pc for an Hour.

Theres no Excuse let them eat Cake

Gimp

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

"Your local library and job centre/recruitment office has internet access to search and apply for jobs. It also has the facilities to print CVs.

Ah, the government closed lots of local libraries. Many others don't have internet that works. And they charge you to print."

And our local job centre is now a wetherspoons. Nearest one is a 40 minute (and £6) bus ride away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Theres no Excuse let them eat Cake

Do you know in France they have state internet? I was using it last week at my apartment and it's really good. Apparently they believe that everyone should have access to the internet and that in todays modern world it's a basic human necessity.

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By *uriousBristolCplCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"I work full time and pay a higher tax than most so my internet is paid by myself.

It is easy to implement, will raise much needed funds, and may be a kick up the backside to people that just give excuses.

People that have outstanding debts? Declare yourselves bankrupt and start again. The banks can afford it and if your credit rating is effected who is to blame?"

Ah so this is actually a look at me I pay 40% Tax thread

I truely hope neither you or any of your Family need state assistance

Tarring everyone (all benefit recipients) with the same brush is

A) Insulting

B) A MASSIVE bag of bollocks

C) Ignorant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like I said previous people who have never needed benefits don't realise how hard it can be. I've claimed JSA twice now last time I was on £80 a fortnight as soon as I started work I had to come off leaving me no money to get to my £3.50 per hour job! Obviously times have changed people may get more now.

I do agree that some people know how to play the system and will claim anything and everything they can be drive their golf gti's with designer label clothes and jet off on 2 week holidays here there and everywhere. It's these minority who the daily mail and sun highlight to the public who tar everyone with the same brush!

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

"Excuses again. If a person is determined enough to help themselves they can. My Original message said my sister budgeted to the penny. Herself and children wore new clothes from supermarkets etc.

If you need clothes for an interview the job centre will help. It will also assist in getting you to interviews.

Phone interviews can still happen. An old mobile and sim can still take calls.

Easily said.

I have worked for myself for the last 30 years and know how to budget but I also know others cannot.

I have often advertised jobs and people have turned up and been on the back foot at the interview simply because they have been on benefits long term and could not afford to dress appropriately.

Don’t believe the hype that they can get help from the job centre at the drop of a hat.

They cannot. Even a claim for travel expenses to an interview can take weeks to process by then the job has been taken.

Life in the real world is not like the political propaganda claims

Any idiot can make benefits last in the short term but the situation changes for those who have been off work long term and even for those who have been laid off from a low paid job.

A missed direct debit payment can easily lead to a £30 bank charge and possibly a handling charge from the company the payment was to.

These charges blow the budget out of the water leading to a downward spiral of missed payments and more charges.

Cancelling direct debits and paying by other means often means that those on a fixed income have to pay a higher charge for not using direct debits.

I am not saying it is not possible to live on benefits but it is not easy either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ah so this is actually a look at me I pay 40% Tax thread

Lets not forget that those who pay 40% tax can also find themselves suddenly unable to work.

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By *andy_tomMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton

Why should tax payers money be spent on HS 2 , 90 % of people will never use it .

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

My point being, if this, along with beer/cigarettes is affordable on benefits, the govt should be looking at reducing the amount being paid to people.

How do you suggest someone job hunts with neither a phone or the internet?

The Library of course, It will do the scrounging Buggers good to stand in a q with 2000 other people and their screaming kids for 5 Hours every day to use a Pc for an Hour.

Theres no Excuse let them eat Cake

Gimp"

It's a fifteen minute slot you get at my local library, if you need longer you have to queue again.

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

"Your local library and job centre/recruitment office has internet access to search and apply for jobs. It also has the facilities to print CVs.

Obviously a city dweller!

For many people the job centre is a bus ride away at the next town.

The cost of public transport makes such journeys almost impossible or limited to occasional.

There is no chance that a job seeker can use public transport everyday to access the job centre.

With regard to CVs if the firm advertising wants CVs sent online in the first instance a printed CV shows them the applicant has not comprehended the instructions and will not even reach the interview stage.

Welcome to the real world.

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By *4nc3rCouple
over a year ago

Clacton-On-Sea, Essex

I find it interesting that the people who believe benefits are enough because they budgeted well when it happened to them, a) only seemed on it for a short period of time. And b) have children and so get ALOT more than lone adults on JSA.

Having had two children myself, I know full well that no child truly costs that extra £65 a week child tax credits and £20 child benefit. Your housing allowance is also exponentially higher (maximum £80 a week for lone adult, £135 a week for parent and 1 child)

Realistically when my partner is not working, after my bills are all paid for my wages has about £40 left... But the £130 child/working tax credits we get means we have more than enough to live on - which I should because I work my ass off for it - but that also means I can see why some mums can budget well and live fine on benefits because those extra bits you get for being a mum really are the bulk of it not just the extra.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I work in this field so know every rate of benefit and entitlement

I have clients that have more disposable income left than I ..After bills..and I work full time

Given that rent and ctx is paid ...The amount left on certain benefits exceeds whst I have left ..thus us rhe case if claimants are on dla ...or csa ...but not esa

Esa is a struggle to live on...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Theres no Excuse let them eat Cake

This i agree with, I didnt know about France but when even the Jobcentre rules require you to have Email and Phone access i find it a little naive to suggest that they are Luxuries.

Gimp

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"I work full time and pay a higher tax than most so my internet is paid by myself.

It is easy to implement, will raise much needed funds, and may be a kick up the backside to people that just give excuses.

People that have outstanding debts? Declare yourselves bankrupt and start again. The banks can afford it and if your credit rating is effected who is to blame?"

Who is to blame? Are you implying that if for instance, someone with a mortgage or rent to pay, a car they bought with a loan, a phone contract etc loses their job and can't pay for these things bankruptcy is the way out and its their fault?

Blimey!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

JSA isn't and shouldn't be classed as an income.

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By *rcticFoxxxWoman
over a year ago

Hereabouts

"I work in this field so know every rate of benefit and entitlement

I have clients that have more disposable income left than I ..After bills..and I work full time

Given that rent and ctx is paid ...The amount left on certain benefits exceeds whst I have left ..thus us rhe case if claimants are on dla ...or csa ...but not esa

Esa is a struggle to live on..."

ESA is less than sick pay

when I lost my job I had to go on ESA.. And it's not fun! I'd love to be back at work... But there's fuck all I can do about it right now

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

"Ah so this is actually a look at me I pay 40% Tax thread

)

Lets not forget that those who pay 40% tax can also find themselves suddenly unable to work."

And often with higher bills that they suddenly can't afford to pay but also can't afford to cancel or adjust.

This winter I had to make a choice between heating and food on some occasions. My Internet comes with my phone contract which I can't afford to cancel because the buy out is too high.

Before I got a life changing medical diagnosis I worked and paid in and lived a very nice life thank you very much. Then overnight I had to stop work and spend most of my time in and out of hospital.

Now I'm well enough to work but noone will give me a second look let alone an interview because my treatment isn't over and I will have to take large chunks of time of in the near future to recuperate.

OP what would happen to you if you had to stop work tomorrow? Could you manage?

Btw I rarely drink, I don't smoke or gamble and I know how to cook cheap meals from scratch, I'm on a higher rate than if I was on JSA but I still struggle sometimes.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

There but for the grace of God go I

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Theres no Excuse let them eat Cake

This i agree with, I didnt know about France but when even the Jobcentre rules require you to have Email and Phone access i find it a little naive to suggest that they are Luxuries.

Gimp"

The OP corrected me earlier on this. People who need benefits should use an old Nokia 3210 because they don't deserve new things. Only on a pay as you go which still costs money so MUST be a luxury.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There but for the grace of God go I"

Lets not forget the Judgemental

Gimp

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Mind you, we haven't had a benefits thread for some time that must be why I forgot my solemn vow never to get involved in one again .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mind you, we haven't had a benefits thread for some time that must be why I forgot my solemn vow never to get involved in one again .

Kneel down in Supplication and say five Hail Marys and Two OHHHHHMYFUCKINGODIMCUMMING

Gimp

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By *rcticFoxxxWoman
over a year ago

Hereabouts

Off on a tangent here but why do rich people feel the need to have like a billion properties?

My friends dad has 2 properties next door to eachother.. And a holiday home.. And a house in India. And no, he doesn't rent any of them out. Some people have too much money for their own good

Yes, I'm jealous

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

What happens if you lose your job and have no old Nokia phone? If this is allowed, is it allowed to pay for calls on it ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What happens if you lose your job and have no old Nokia phone? If this is allowed, is it allowed to pay for calls on it ?"
Go scrounging in Asdas or the libray

Her

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"I work full time and pay a higher tax than most so my internet is paid by myself.

It is easy to implement, will raise much needed funds, and may be a kick up the backside to people that just give excuses.

People that have outstanding debts? Declare yourselves bankrupt and start again. The banks can afford it and if your credit rating is effected who is to blame?"
" hello I would like to declare my self bankrupt "

ok that will be £450 sir .

But I've no money as I'm bancrupt .

Yes sir that will still be £450 sir

But can I get help ?

Yes sir then it will be £320 sir

But I've no money

Yes that will be £320 sit

Do you see the problem ?

Oh and none of your creditors will take you to the bankruptcy court as they want there money

Get out of your ivory tower and get in the real world from a former 40% tax payer now making do on 19k a year after struggling by on less for the last four years on less

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"Mind you, we haven't had a benefits thread for some time that must be why I forgot my solemn vow never to get involved in one again .

Kneel down in Supplication and say five Hail Marys and Two OHHHHHMYFUCKINGODIMCUMMING

Gimp"

I can't I was on benefits once and cumming is a luxury I'm not allowed until I earn enough to be allowed. I am allowed to kneel down and have scorn heaped upon me though .....it's lovely

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What happens if you lose your job and have no old Nokia phone? If this is allowed, is it allowed to pay for calls on it ?"

According to the OP its ok to have the phone but not spend any money on it as people have too much if they have £10 a day.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"What happens if you lose your job and have no old Nokia phone? If this is allowed, is it allowed to pay for calls on it ?"

Go to the job centre which is in the next street, walk in and ask for some money, they will give it to you because they're nice like that.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

I don't understand how people say unemployed people get more money than working people.

When I was unemployed for about 9 months after I graduated from uni I was receiving the equivalent of £4.75 per hour, if we take it to equal a 40hr working week. With that I had to pay my bills and rent but thank god my parents were able to help.

So I don't know if you get significanly more money per person if you have kids or what but as a single person I can testify that no working person could have claimed I had more income than they did.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

We have been fortunate not to ever need to use benefits, but if we did, even after losing any luxuries I doubt if we would be able to manage on £70 a week JSA.

Yes of course there are scroungers who use the system to their advantage but I defy anyone who loses their job after working and paying taxes for years to WANT to stay on benefits for the long term because of the huge amount of JSA they would get.

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

"What happens if you lose your job and have no old Nokia phone? If this is allowed, is it allowed to pay for calls on it ?

According to the OP its ok to have the phone but not spend any money on it as people have too much if they have £10 a day. "

Obviously noone should sign up for a contract phone because who knows what your situation will be in 24 or 18 months time?!

Except those on higher rate tax because they never get seriously ill suddenly or their companies go bankrupt or downsize due to a failing economy...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Your local library and job centre/recruitment office has internet access to search and apply for jobs. It also has the facilities to print CVs.

If you want to go down the route of alcoholics then only pay benefits in coupons.....and make it policy to be med-screened. "

Internet is counted as essential now or so I'm guessing as there was schemes put in place that allowed low income families to have free or reduced internet and free computers for the children to do their home work on.

Having spent some time on benefits in the past I can tell you that I have no idea how these people on these shows buy the things they do as I certainly couldn't and I got slightly more than your average because at the time I had a several disabled child at home.. I had no flat screen tv's and I don't drink or smoke.

I hate these sorts of threads as living on benefits is not what it's made out to be in the media... And your certainly not flush...

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire

"I work full time and pay a higher tax than most so my internet is paid by myself.

It is easy to implement, will raise much needed funds, and may be a kick up the backside to people that just give excuses.

People that have outstanding debts? Declare yourselves bankrupt and start again. The banks can afford it and if your credit rating is effected who is to blame?"

As a 40% taxpayer (!) you seem confused about the word 'bankrupt'. Why do you think declaring yourself bankrupt will automatically cost the banks money ? Is it because it has the work 'bank' in it ?

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"Your local library and job centre/recruitment office has internet access to search and apply for jobs. It also has the facilities to print CVs.

If you want to go down the route of alcoholics then only pay benefits in coupons.....and make it policy to be med-screened.

I hate these sorts of threads as living on benefits is not what it's made out to be in the media... And your certainly not flush...

I don't like them either but it's rare that anyone changes their mind in either direction.

The constant bashing of the poorest people and holding up shining examples of virtuous living counterparts makes me feel like I've gone back in time two hundred years.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

But it's good to see the majority of responses, if not all so far have been putting the opposite argument often backed with fact and direct experience rather than a shadowy relative.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are many type or benefits and many types of people...

When you have Children benefits can seem huge (an extra £70-100 a week per child) but when you are literally just on ESA/JSA and you have a home to pay for its not enough.

I'd love to have for the figures your quoting for my kids when I was on benefits. 100quid per child per week. Yay... It's actually not even half that. Yes you get I think it's 70quid for the first and 20quid child benefit but subsequent children your not paid at the same rate. And they deduct carers allowance from anything you receive if like in my case you went from working but being a carer

You have to remember in many cases people find themselves on benefits after having many years on higher money per week. I watched my income more than half

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But it's good to see the majority of responses, if not all so far have been putting the opposite argument often backed with fact and direct experience rather than a shadowy relative."

Exactly this point, many people including Mr camermoron and Nick pleb and the rest of the up their own arse coalition government have never needed the welfare system and never will due to their massive wages and pensions. they wouldn't know what it feels like to struggle. Yes there are people who play the system just like the rich folk who know how to play the tax system.

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By *ertiVogtsMan
over a year ago

Exeter

"Being off work from my horrendous bear wrestling incident.. I'm on ESA. Now I'm lucky enough to have very few bills. Most of my money goes on bills.. And unfortunately I renewed my phone contract while I was working, so that's got another year and a half on it. I'm usually a little bit short each month... But I smoke so it's my own bloody fault for spending £40 a month on bacci. I don't go out drinking, I don't order takeaway, I pay my bills on time (mostly.. Although 4 days behind on my phone bill isn't the end of the world). But I know a lot of people who say they can't afford to live on benefits.. Yet they get manicures every couple of weeks and order takeaway all the time. On the other hand, somebody I know earns between £500-900 a month (bank work, but she won't ask for a contract).. And she lives with her mum.. She wants to move out but she's adamant that she should get her entire rent paid by housing benefit... And she argues saying "I've got friends the same age as me who get their rent and all their bills paid for them and they work full time"... Which I'm pretty sure isn't true! Anyway my point is, she spends about £100 a week on nights out drinking and that's why she's adamant she can't afford rent etc. so it's not just people on benefits who don't know how to budget their money "

Have you really had a fight with a bear?Respect!!

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By *rcticFoxxxWoman
over a year ago

Hereabouts

Have you really had a fight with a bear?Respect!!

Yeah. It was a space bear. I was an astronaut on a secret mission to Mars and this bear came out of nowhere and attacked me!

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By *earboynottinghamMan
over a year ago

Nottingham

It is 2015, a mobile phone and internet access are essential if you are seeking work.

They are definitely not luxuries.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

Bloody hell, when did this place fill up with tree-hugging, liberal lefties?

A thread like this has usually been taken over by the flaming torch and pitchfork brigade by now.

Is it the start of a new era in forum politics?

I won't hold my breath, eh?

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"Bloody hell, when did this place fill up with tree-hugging, liberal lefties?

A thread like this has usually been taken over by the flaming torch and pitchfork brigade by now.

Is it the start of a new era in forum politics?

I won't hold my breath, eh?

The flaming torchers are either all at work or queuing at the job centre

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Have you really had a fight with a bear?Respect!!

Yeah. It was a space bear. I was an astronaut on a secret mission to Mars and this bear came out of nowhere and attacked me! "

I hope you didn't claim any benefits while on Mars to send back home.

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By *rcticFoxxxWoman
over a year ago

Hereabouts

Have you really had a fight with a bear?Respect!!

Yeah. It was a space bear. I was an astronaut on a secret mission to Mars and this bear came out of nowhere and attacked me!

I hope you didn't claim any benefits while on Mars to send back home."

That would be dishonest of me

I'd never be dishonest!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Theres no Excuse let them eat Cake

This i agree with, I didnt know about France but when even the Jobcentre rules require you to have Email and Phone access i find it a little naive to suggest that they are Luxuries.

Gimp

The OP corrected me earlier on this. People who need benefits should use an old Nokia 3210 because they don't deserve new things. Only on a pay as you go which still costs money so MUST be a luxury. "

He also made it clear, incoming calls only (I think) on ya Nokia

His so generous

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Through a grenade in and run haha.

I am hearing white noise and excuses.

On a positive side, I called all my staff this morning and am treating them to a spa/golf day with lunch. Shut up shop as a reward for the hard graft they do for me each day.

Enjoy your day people.

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By *rcticFoxxxWoman
over a year ago

Hereabouts

Enjoy your golf and hard work while I sit in the sun with a beer, fag and takeaway all from your taxes

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By *ustcutieWoman
over a year ago

edinburgh

"Through a grenade in and run haha.

I am hearing white noise and excuses.

On a positive side, I called all my staff this morning and am treating them to a spa/golf day with lunch. Shut up shop as a reward for the hard graft they do for me each day.

Enjoy your day people. "

Course you are

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By *earboynottinghamMan
over a year ago

Nottingham

"Through a grenade in and run haha.

I am hearing white noise and excuses.

On a positive side, I called all my staff this morning and am treating them to a spa/golf day with lunch. Shut up shop as a reward for the hard graft they do for me each day.

Enjoy your day people. "

Wow you employ other people and obviously think yourself very important but are unable to tell the difference between the words threw and through.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The jobcentre will take your benefits away if you even fart in the wrong way. Believe me I worked there for 7 years. They are trying very hard to out the people who are just trying to milk the system. In just 7 years a lone parent used to be able to claim income support until their child was 16 now it's 4 years old, as soon as that child is 4 they have to claim JSA and look for work. When incapacity benefit was replaced with ESA thousands of long term sick were called for personal capability assessments to see if there was any work they could do despite having an illness or disability. JSA claimants need access to the internet to log their job search history, if it doesn't look like you're doing enough they'll stick sanctions on, if they're late or miss a signing appointment the benefit is stopped. The whistleblowing fraud investigation team expanded.

Always remember that the stories you read are few and far between and sensationalised for people to think the welfare culture is the reason the country has gone to shit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Through a grenade in and run haha.

I am hearing white noise and excuses.

On a positive side, I called all my staff this morning and am treating them to a spa/golf day with lunch. Shut up shop as a reward for the hard graft they do for me each day.

Enjoy your day people. "

I genuinely hope that you never fall on hard times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Through a grenade in and run haha.

I am hearing white noise and excuses.

On a positive side, I called all my staff this morning and am treating them to a spa/golf day with lunch. Shut up shop as a reward for the hard graft they do for me each day.

Enjoy your day people. "

On low/minimum wages then, being topped up with benefits ?

Would this 'works event' be tax deductible ?

Maybe it's not you paying for 'your' generous offer after all.

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By *ogistical NightmaresCouple
over a year ago

Manchester Area

"I work full time and pay a higher tax than most so my internet is paid by myself.

It is easy to implement, will raise much needed funds, and may be a kick up the backside to people that just give excuses.

People that have outstanding debts? Declare yourselves bankrupt and start again. The banks can afford it and if your credit rating is effected who is to blame?"

How do you find the monies involved to declare your self bankrupt, It's £705 in England, £200 in Scotland, £647 in N Ireland?

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By *earboynottinghamMan
over a year ago

Nottingham

"Through a grenade in and run haha.

I am hearing white noise and excuses.

On a positive side, I called all my staff this morning and am treating them to a spa/golf day with lunch. Shut up shop as a reward for the hard graft they do for me each day.

Enjoy your day people.

I genuinely hope that you never fall on hard times."

I hope he does.

I'd like to know if any of his employees have to receive working tax credits.

That would tell us if he is also reliant on govt. handouts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bloody hell, when did this place fill up with tree-hugging, liberal lefties?

A thread like this has usually been taken over by the flaming torch and pitchfork brigade by now.

Is it the start of a new era in forum politics?

I won't hold my breath, eh?

Maybe people are beginning to see through the government's and media's lies and realise that we are stigmatising the wrong people?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Through a grenade in and run haha.

I am hearing white noise and excuses.

On a positive side, I called all my staff this morning and am treating them to a spa/golf day with lunch. Shut up shop as a reward for the hard graft they do for me each day.

Enjoy your day people.

Wow you employ other people and obviously think yourself very important but are unable to tell the difference between the words threw and through.

Or understand the basics of bankruptcy

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By *earboynottinghamMan
over a year ago

Nottingham

"Through a grenade in and run haha.

I am hearing white noise and excuses.

On a positive side, I called all my staff this morning and am treating them to a spa/golf day with lunch. Shut up shop as a reward for the hard graft they do for me each day.

Enjoy your day people.

Wow you employ other people and obviously think yourself very important but are unable to tell the difference between the words threw and through.

Or understand the basics of bankruptcy

Exactly!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Through a grenade in and run haha.

I am hearing white noise and excuses.

On a positive side, I called all my staff this morning and am treating them to a spa/golf day with lunch. Shut up shop as a reward for the hard graft they do for me each day.

Enjoy your day people.

I genuinely hope that you never fall on hard times."

Now now wasp_hunter only spongers fall on hard times not the elite 40%ers

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Yes. Another thread about benefits but I want to know what people waste their benefits on?

I work full time and was speaking to my sister about it. She was on benefits and never moaned about a thing whilst claiming. She has two children and understood that she had to give up luxuries.

She said that she knew that if she wanted to have luxuries then she had to earn them. The children were well fed with a healthy and balanced diet. They wore new clothes from Asda/Tesco/Primark etc.

She planned her incomings and outgoings to the penny with careful meal plans and no luxury food items.

What she cannot fathom is how people moan they cannot afford to live on benefits. Where is there money going?

So again, why do people moan benefits are too low? Where is the money going?"

When exactly was she on benefits? You may not have noticed but the cost of living rises significantly every year and benefits rise by a few pence - if they're not actually cut, which lot have been.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Bloody hell, when did this place fill up with tree-hugging, liberal lefties?

A thread like this has usually been taken over by the flaming torch and pitchfork brigade by now.

Is it the start of a new era in forum politics?

I won't hold my breath, eh?

Maybe people are beginning to see through the government's and media's lies and realise that we are stigmatising the wrong people? "

We can but hope...

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Through a grenade in and run haha.

I am hearing white noise and excuses.

On a positive side, I called all my staff this morning and am treating them to a spa/golf day with lunch. Shut up shop as a reward for the hard graft they do for me each day.

Enjoy your day people. "

Sadly the rules prohibit me from telling you what I hear.

But yeah, I can see how baiting and abusing some of the worst off and most vulnerable in society could be entertaining.

What a hero.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Have you really had a fight with a bear?Respect!!

Yeah. It was a space bear. I was an astronaut on a secret mission to Mars and this bear came out of nowhere and attacked me!

I hope you didn't claim any benefits while on Mars to send back home.

That would be dishonest of me

I'd never be dishonest!!

No I can see that

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Me thinks someone is living in fairy land.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"Through a grenade in and run haha.

I am hearing white noise and excuses.

On a positive side, I called all my staff this morning and am treating them to a spa/golf day with lunch. Shut up shop as a reward for the hard graft they do for me each day.

Enjoy your day people. "

Thanks for letting us know.

If you're hearing things I'd get to the doctors quickly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Through a grenade in and run haha.

I am hearing white noise and excuses.

Really? Or have you just been out argued?

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By *rcticFoxxxWoman
over a year ago

Hereabouts

Have you really had a fight with a bear?Respect!!

Yeah. It was a space bear. I was an astronaut on a secret mission to Mars and this bear came out of nowhere and attacked me!

I hope you didn't claim any benefits while on Mars to send back home.

That would be dishonest of me

I'd never be dishonest!!

No I can see that

I'm glad

I don't think I was meant to say anything about the bear though.. Non-disclosure agreement and all that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Through a grenade in and run haha.

I am hearing white noise and excuses.

On a positive side, I called all my staff this morning and am treating them to a spa/golf day with lunch. Shut up shop as a reward for the hard graft they do for me each day.

Enjoy your day people.

I genuinely hope that you never fall on hard times.

Now now wasp_hunter only spongers fall on hard times not the elite 40%ers"

Good job I'm in a 40%er household then. I won't have to plan for the future.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Theres no Excuse let them eat Cake

This i agree with, I didnt know about France but when even the Jobcentre rules require you to have Email and Phone access i find it a little naive to suggest that they are Luxuries.

Gimp

Ahhh, I see. I was given a large flat screen TV recently, to replace the 28" flat screen TV I was given in July 2013 (at which point I was using an 11 year old CRT TV).

I should have turned those things down if I couldn't afford to buy them myself, right?

Our value is entirely dependent on what we earn, with benefit claimants being worth zero?

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Have you really had a fight with a bear?Respect!!

Yeah. It was a space bear. I was an astronaut on a secret mission to Mars and this bear came out of nowhere and attacked me!

I hope you didn't claim any benefits while on Mars to send back home.

That would be dishonest of me

I'd never be dishonest!!

No I can see that

I'm glad

I don't think I was meant to say anything about the bear though.. Non-disclosure agreement and all that

Yea because I was under the impression that bears on Mars was an urban myth, you know the sort of thing like the urban myth that claims losing your job and being on benefits is your poo an fault.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Through a grenade in and run haha.

I am hearing white noise and excuses.

On a positive side, I called all my staff this morning and am treating them to a spa/golf day with lunch. Shut up shop as a reward for the hard graft they do for me each day.

Enjoy your day people. "

Sure you did.

Perhaps one of your 'staff' could use the time to teach you how to spell throw, while they are at it.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Your I own fault. WHAT is wrong with this autocorrect!?

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Through a grenade in and run haha.

I am hearing white noise and excuses.

Really? Or have you just been out argued? "

He's just living in his own little world and hears only what he wants to hear.

What would you expect from someone who doesn't know the difference between through and threw?

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By *rcticFoxxxWoman
over a year ago

Hereabouts

Have you really had a fight with a bear?Respect!!

Yeah. It was a space bear. I was an astronaut on a secret mission to Mars and this bear came out of nowhere and attacked me!

I hope you didn't claim any benefits while on Mars to send back home.

That would be dishonest of me

I'd never be dishonest!!

No I can see that

I'm glad

I don't think I was meant to say anything about the bear though.. Non-disclosure agreement and all that

Yea because I was under the impression that bears on Mars was an urban myth, you know the sort of thing like the urban myth that claims losing your job and being on benefits is your poo an fault.

It is my fault though.. I shouldn't have been on the bear's territory

if I had stuck to my mission then I wouldn't have had my leg ripped off.. And I wouldn't have got fired

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By *rcticFoxxxWoman
over a year ago

Hereabouts

"Through a grenade in and run haha.

I am hearing white noise and excuses.

Really? Or have you just been out argued?

He's just living in his own little world and hears only what he wants to hear.

What would you expect from someone who doesn't know the difference between through and threw?"

He's small minded through and threw

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

Frankly I couldn't care less what they spend the benefits on as long as I don't have to pay for them

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By *earboynottinghamMan
over a year ago

Nottingham

"Through a grenade in and run haha.

I am hearing white noise and excuses.

Really? Or have you just been out argued?

He's just living in his own little world and hears only what he wants to hear.

What would you expect from someone who doesn't know the difference between through and threw?

He's small minded through and threw

Haha indeed!

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Frankly I couldn't care less what they spend the benefits on as long as I don't have to pay for them"

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By *earboynottinghamMan
over a year ago

Nottingham

"Frankly I couldn't care less what they spend the benefits on as long as I don't have to pay for them"

It isn't up to you though.

Thankfully.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I'd rather get irritated by tax evasion than someone getting a bit of money a week to tide them over.