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"Really fed with the girls that have a single profile looking for women only and than all the sudden comes a bf in the picture. Why don't they just do a couple's profile instead of tricking people. " If they want to play as a couple on a singles profile, keep the messages and report. | |||
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"Really fed with the girls that have a single profile looking for women only and than all the sudden comes a bf in the picture. Why don't they just do a couple's profile instead of tricking people. " We are finding its about 99% of all "single" fems are either not actually even female, vanish into the mist should you ask for a phone chat to confirm they are real OR as you state suddenly have a FB/BF or Hubby who "has to come too!" we report them but nothing seems to happen to be honest!! just block and move on is our motto now!! | |||
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"Really fed with the girls that have a single profile looking for women only and than all the sudden comes a bf in the picture. Why don't they just do a couple's profile instead of tricking people. We are finding its about 99% of all "single" fems are either not actually even female, vanish into the mist should you ask for a phone chat to confirm they are real OR as you state suddenly have a FB/BF or Hubby who "has to come too!" we report them but nothing seems to happen to be honest!! just block and move on is our motto now!!" Just to clarify too.... its not the marital status or if you have a FB/BF or Hubby.... its the single female profiles, with no mention of any additional partner, who chat along for however long, not mentioning said additional "must attendee" untill the 11th hour we find frustrating and unfortunately all too common! | |||
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" We are finding its about 99% of all "single" fems are either not actually even female, vanish into the mist should you ask for a phone chat to confirm they are real " I'm a single woman who won't chat on the phone. I assure you, I'm very real. And last time I checked I was female. But I don't just through couple's hoops like a lapdog. | |||
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" We are finding its about 99% of all "single" fems are either not actually even female, vanish into the mist should you ask for a phone chat to confirm they are real I'm a single woman who won't chat on the phone. I assure you, I'm very real. And last time I checked I was female. But I don't just through couple's hoops like a lapdog." There aren't many people who would consider being asked to chat in the phone prior to meeting 'jumping through a couple's hoops like a lap dog'. In fact most women considering meeting a couple will want to chat to them on the phone prior to meeting, for exactly the same reasons. You may not wish to chat on the phone to people yourself, but there's really no need to be ridiculously melodramatic about those who do, either. | |||
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" We are finding its about 99% of all "single" fems are either not actually even female, vanish into the mist should you ask for a phone chat to confirm they are real I'm a single woman who won't chat on the phone. I assure you, I'm very real. And last time I checked I was female. But I don't just through couple's hoops like a lapdog. There aren't many people who would consider being asked to chat in the phone prior to meeting 'jumping through a couple's hoops like a lap dog'. In fact most women considering meeting a couple will want to chat to them on the phone prior to meeting, for exactly the same reasons. You may not wish to chat on the phone to people yourself, but there's really no need to be ridiculously melodramatic about those who do, either." It's not melodramatic. By insisting on phone or cam chat you are effectively accusing someone of being fake. | |||
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"Really fed with the girls that have a single profile looking for women only and than all the sudden comes a bf in the picture. Why don't they just do a couple's profile instead of tricking people. We are finding its about 99% of all "single" fems are either not actually even female, vanish into the mist should you ask for a phone chat to confirm they are real OR as you state suddenly have a FB/BF or Hubby who "has to come too!" we report them but nothing seems to happen to be honest!! just block and move on is our motto now!!" Report them. Admin do change theirprofile to couples instead of single female. | |||
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" We are finding its about 99% of all "single" fems are either not actually even female, vanish into the mist should you ask for a phone chat to confirm they are real I'm a single woman who won't chat on the phone. I assure you, I'm very real. And last time I checked I was female. But I don't just through couple's hoops like a lapdog. There aren't many people who would consider being asked to chat in the phone prior to meeting 'jumping through a couple's hoops like a lap dog'. In fact most women considering meeting a couple will want to chat to them on the phone prior to meeting, for exactly the same reasons. You may not wish to chat on the phone to people yourself, but there's really no need to be ridiculously melodramatic about those who do, either." She's not being melodramatic just stating what she's not prepared to do. I'm totally with her! If people, and yes that includes couples, demand a phone call to prove I'm genuine there is no chance! If people can't work out that a profile is genuine and start making demands then they are alienating the group they try to meet. The only thing for it then is to start a whiny thread saying 99% of females are not genuine. Pathetic!! | |||
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"Really fed with the girls that have a single profile looking for women only and than all the sudden comes a bf in the picture. Why don't they just do a couple's profile instead of tricking people. We are finding its about 99% of all "single" fems are either not actually even female, vanish into the mist should you ask for a phone chat to confirm they are real OR as you state suddenly have a FB/BF or Hubby who "has to come too!" we report them but nothing seems to happen to be honest!! just block and move on is our motto now!!" Actually no its not!! I'm very much single with no fb/hubby/bf who wants to watch/be there, I social with a number of 'single' fems from this site who also don't!! | |||
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" It's not melodramatic. By insisting on phone or cam chat you are effectively accusing someone of being fake." Exactly. There's no way I can be comfortable with someone if they think from the outset that I'm somehow not real. It's amazing though. I've talked to a fair few couples on here and inevitably within four or five messages I say 'would you like to get coffee?' and then silence. Nothing. Fake? | |||
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"I'm a single playing away , so bored of couple messaging demanding to phone or Skype boring .... asking to meet then end up being just the hubby . I always meet with other single women on here at social now Really not here to listen to some wanker over the phone or play on Skype" Hit the 'end call' button on Skype the moment said 'wanker' starts wanking. That is what I do and then also block him on Skype and here too | |||
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"I'm a single playing away , so bored of couple messaging demanding to phone or Skype boring .... asking to meet then end up being just the hubby . I always meet with other single women on here at social now Really not here to listen to some wanker over the phone or play on Skype Hit the 'end call' button on Skype the moment said 'wanker' starts wanking. That is what I do and then also block him on Skype and here too" I just don't do it now , so meany people on here when they start demanding things I just move onto the next couple there is so many on here | |||
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"Really fed with the girls that have a single profile looking for women only and than all the sudden comes a bf in the picture. Why don't they just do a couple's profile instead of tricking people. " most are probably men pretending to be women! wtf that is abt i dnt know but lots of em on here and there not reading the forums, are they? | |||
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" We are finding its about 99% of all "single" fems are either not actually even female, vanish into the mist should you ask for a phone chat to confirm they are real OR as you state suddenly have a FB/BF or Hubby who "has to come too!" we report them but nothing seems to happen to be honest!! just block and move on is our motto now!!" Must be in the 1% then x | |||
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"It really interesting how people react on these forums! Why do the "real" single females feel the need to defend some unstated position of being fake themselves? And why do people only read what they want to read? Its wonderfull to hear all you Single women are out there, but then no one said you're not, it was a complaint about the number of people who profess to be single females, who then "have" to meet with their partner! ie as a cpl! So thanks for all the "I am real" statements but no one said you were not....? just that there are LOTS who aren't! " Are you referring to females who pull the 'bait & switch' with their male partner included in the play - or where a lady has a male accompany her for her own safety (who does not take part in play at all)? Because I would see the latter as acceptable behaviour to ensure peoples safety - a single meeting a couple is already disadvantaged in terms of the 'power' dynamic and may find him or herself in a disadvantaged situation should play goes sideways (which is not unknown). | |||
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" We are finding its about 99% of all "single" fems are either not actually even female, vanish into the mist should you ask for a phone chat to confirm they are real I'm a single woman who won't chat on the phone. I assure you, I'm very real. And last time I checked I was female. But I don't just through couple's hoops like a lapdog. There aren't many people who would consider being asked to chat in the phone prior to meeting 'jumping through a couple's hoops like a lap dog'. In fact most women considering meeting a couple will want to chat to them on the phone prior to meeting, for exactly the same reasons. You may not wish to chat on the phone to people yourself, but there's really no need to be ridiculously melodramatic about those who do, either. It's not melodramatic. By insisting on phone or cam chat you are effectively accusing someone of being fake." It's completely melodramatic, because she called the entirely reasonable request to talk on the phone jumping 'through hoops like a couple's lap dog', not because it is to do with being fake or not. Please read what you are replying to properly before opining on it. As to whether it implies she is fake or not, it's like this. People here CHOOSE to do exactly what they wish, to determine for themselves if they think that someone is real or fake. For some people, that means speaking to people on the phone. If you don't like that, then you don't meet with them, it's really very simple. No hoops to jump, no needing to feel that you are being accused of being fake, no need to be melodramatic. Just part of the process that matches people with other people because they all feel comfortable enough with each other to do so, by whatever method they choose. | |||
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"It really interesting how people react on these forums! Why do the "real" single females feel the need to defend some unstated position of being fake themselves? And why do people only read what they want to read? Its wonderfull to hear all you Single women are out there, but then no one said you're not, it was a complaint about the number of people who profess to be single females, who then "have" to meet with their partner! ie as a cpl! So thanks for all the "I am real" statements but no one said you were not....? just that there are LOTS who aren't! Are you referring to females who pull the 'bait & switch' with their male partner included in the play - or where a lady has a male accompany her for her own safety (who does not take part in play at all)? Because I would see the latter as acceptable behaviour to ensure peoples safety - a single meeting a couple is already disadvantaged in terms of the 'power' dynamic and may find him or herself in a disadvantaged situation should play goes sideways (which is not unknown)." I'm a truly single bi fem. I meet mf couples mainly. I have nobody to accompany me on any meets. I'm responsible for myself and wouldn't meet if I thought there was even the smallest chance of it going the wrong way. As a single fem you surely should only ever meet as such! I agree op. Way too many fems with fb's or bf's lurking. | |||
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" She's not being melodramatic just stating what she's not prepared to do." See above. | |||
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" It's not melodramatic. By insisting on phone or cam chat you are effectively accusing someone of being fake. " You seem to be unaware of the possibility that people may also wish to chat with someone on the phone to ascertain if they will get on with that person, if they feel any connection with them, before making arrangements and taking the time and trouble to meet someone in person. Or do you also disregard that as an acceptable thing for people other than you to want to do? | |||
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" It's not melodramatic. By insisting on phone or cam chat you are effectively accusing someone of being fake. You seem to be unaware of the possibility that people may also wish to chat with someone on the phone to ascertain if they will get on with that person, if they feel any connection with them, before making arrangements and taking the time and trouble to meet someone in person. Or do you also disregard that as an acceptable thing for people other than you to want to do?" That's perfectly fine, although I still wouldn't agree to it. It's the implication that people who don't want to do that are automatically fakes or time wasters that I personally object to (can't speak for anyone else). | |||
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"It really interesting how people react on these forums! Why do the "real" single females feel the need to defend some unstated position of being fake themselves? And why do people only read what they want to read? Its wonderfull to hear all you Single women are out there, but then no one said you're not, it was a complaint about the number of people who profess to be single females, who then "have" to meet with their partner! ie as a cpl! So thanks for all the "I am real" statements but no one said you were not....? just that there are LOTS who aren't! " Yes, exactly. That is the standard for the Fab forums though, and you will see it all the time. If anyone states anything that they think is the case in general, someone will assume that person is addressing them in person in order to refute it. What people often fail to remember here that they as individuals do not represent the entirety of the membership on Fab, and that there are as many differences in those people and their opinions and behaviour as there are members. Still, it's all part of life's rich tapestry, and everyone is lovely in their own way. Hooray for Fab! | |||
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" It's not melodramatic. By insisting on phone or cam chat you are effectively accusing someone of being fake. You seem to be unaware of the possibility that people may also wish to chat with someone on the phone to ascertain if they will get on with that person, if they feel any connection with them, before making arrangements and taking the time and trouble to meet someone in person. Or do you also disregard that as an acceptable thing for people other than you to want to do? That's perfectly fine, although I still wouldn't agree to it. It's the implication that people who don't want to do that are automatically fakes or time wasters that I personally object to (can't speak for anyone else). " That is an implication that is irrelevant to you though, is it not? The people who imply that, you don't meet with. It doesn't affect you beyond that, surely? | |||
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"One persons reasonable is another persons unreasonable. So much 'melodrama' comes from people feeling they have to assume the other person is wrong, rather than accepting that they play by different rules and are able to respect that and realise that they are not someone with whom they share a like-minded view." Yes, which is exactly what I said. | |||
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" It's not melodramatic. By insisting on phone or cam chat you are effectively accusing someone of being fake. You seem to be unaware of the possibility that people may also wish to chat with someone on the phone to ascertain if they will get on with that person, if they feel any connection with them, before making arrangements and taking the time and trouble to meet someone in person. Or do you also disregard that as an acceptable thing for people other than you to want to do? That's perfectly fine, although I still wouldn't agree to it. It's the implication that people who don't want to do that are automatically fakes or time wasters that I personally object to (can't speak for anyone else). That is an implication that is irrelevant to you though, is it not? The people who imply that, you don't meet with. It doesn't affect you beyond that, surely?" Nope. Just suggesting a reason why people might object to it, that's all. And why I didn't think the original statement was melodramatic either. | |||
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" Nope. Just suggesting a reason why people might object to it, that's all. And why I didn't think the original statement was melodramatic either. " Okay, to clarify then. You think that if a couple are seeking to meet with another person, and they ask to speak to that person on the phone prior to meeting, they are asking that person to jump 'through hoops like a lap dog'? | |||
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"Back on track .......... The ones who amuse me are the 'couples' profiles that message with ....... ........ ' hi male half here. Sandra/Suzy/Barbie isn't playing tonight but I have permission to play alone' ...... Do they all share the same script....... I often want to ask if Sandra/Suzy/Barbie has an air stopper. " Or "Any ladies want to come over and fuck my man.." | |||
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"One persons reasonable is another persons unreasonable. So much 'melodrama' comes from people feeling they have to assume the other person is wrong, rather than accepting that they play by different rules and are able to respect that and realise that they are not someone with whom they share a like-minded view." There are no rules for how people use their own Fab profile, it's their life and they can live it as they wish. For people to have the automatic default thoughts of 'fake' if someone doesn't want to speak on the phone or over is Skype is their business as well and perfectly understandable due to amount of actual fakes on here but it doesn't mean they're right. If a lady is on here under a single fem profile and no mention is made of a partner then I agree, they should be meeting as a single fem. If they have a partner, of whatever status and they're available to play with as well should things go that way and everyone wants to then cool, state that on your profile. I think it's the not revealing it at the beginning that gets to people. | |||
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" We are finding its about 99% of all "single" fems are either not actually even female, vanish into the mist should you ask for a phone chat to confirm they are real I'm a single woman who won't chat on the phone. I assure you, I'm very real. And last time I checked I was female. But I don't just through couple's hoops like a lapdog. There aren't many people who would consider being asked to chat in the phone prior to meeting 'jumping through a couple's hoops like a lap dog'. In fact most women considering meeting a couple will want to chat to them on the phone prior to meeting, for exactly the same reasons. You may not wish to chat on the phone to people yourself, but there's really no need to be ridiculously melodramatic about those who do, either. It's not melodramatic. By insisting on phone or cam chat you are effectively accusing someone of being fake. It's completely melodramatic, because she called the entirely reasonable request to talk on the phone jumping 'through hoops like a couple's lap dog', not because it is to do with being fake or not. Please read what you are replying to properly before opining on it. As to whether it implies she is fake or not, it's like this. People here CHOOSE to do exactly what they wish, to determine for themselves if they think that someone is real or fake. For some people, that means speaking to people on the phone. If you don't like that, then you don't meet with them, it's really very simple. No hoops to jump, no needing to feel that you are being accused of being fake, no need to be melodramatic. Just part of the process that matches people with other people because they all feel comfortable enough with each other to do so, by whatever method they choose. " It's not a reasonable request to speak on the phone. Plenty of people won't do it but it has become part of a ridiculous mantra of establishing that someone is 'real' And this very response and your clear indignation that someone actually challenges what you expect them to do only reinforces the 'jumping through hoops' comment. | |||
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" Nope. Just suggesting a reason why people might object to it, that's all. And why I didn't think the original statement was melodramatic either. Okay, to clarify then. You think that if a couple are seeking to meet with another person, and they ask to speak to that person on the phone prior to meeting, they are asking that person to jump 'through hoops like a lap dog'?" If we are asked to speak on the phone we won't meet. End of. If someone needs a telephone chat with crystal to prove we are genuine and can't work it out any other way then quite simply they aren't the type of people we want to meet. | |||
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" Nope. Just suggesting a reason why people might object to it, that's all. And why I didn't think the original statement was melodramatic either. Okay, to clarify then. You think that if a couple are seeking to meet with another person, and they ask to speak to that person on the phone prior to meeting, they are asking that person to jump 'through hoops like a lap dog'?" If the suggestion is that if they won't do this they are fake and a time waster, then yes, I do. | |||
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" It's not melodramatic. By insisting on phone or cam chat you are effectively accusing someone of being fake." Or confirming who someone is? | |||
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" We are finding its about 99% of all "single" fems are either not actually even female, vanish into the mist should you ask for a phone chat to confirm they are real I'm a single woman who won't chat on the phone. I assure you, I'm very real. And last time I checked I was female. But I don't just through couple's hoops like a lapdog. There aren't many people who would consider being asked to chat in the phone prior to meeting 'jumping through a couple's hoops like a lap dog'. In fact most women considering meeting a couple will want to chat to them on the phone prior to meeting, for exactly the same reasons. You may not wish to chat on the phone to people yourself, but there's really no need to be ridiculously melodramatic about those who do, either. It's not melodramatic. By insisting on phone or cam chat you are effectively accusing someone of being fake. It's completely melodramatic, because she called the entirely reasonable request to talk on the phone jumping 'through hoops like a couple's lap dog', not because it is to do with being fake or not. Please read what you are replying to properly before opining on it. As to whether it implies she is fake or not, it's like this. People here CHOOSE to do exactly what they wish, to determine for themselves if they think that someone is real or fake. For some people, that means speaking to people on the phone. If you don't like that, then you don't meet with them, it's really very simple. No hoops to jump, no needing to feel that you are being accused of being fake, no need to be melodramatic. Just part of the process that matches people with other people because they all feel comfortable enough with each other to do so, by whatever method they choose. It's not a reasonable request to speak on the phone. Plenty of people won't do it but it has become part of a ridiculous mantra of establishing that someone is 'real' And this very response and your clear indignation that someone actually challenges what you expect them to do only reinforces the 'jumping through hoops' comment. " Sorry, once again you are responding to what you think is written there, not what is actually written there. Any indignation is purely in your mind. However, totally happy for you to try to explain why asking to speak to someone on the phone is not a reasonable request - without colouring it with your own personal prejudice, of course. | |||
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" It's not melodramatic. By insisting on phone or cam chat you are effectively accusing someone of being fake. You seem to be unaware of the possibility that people may also wish to chat with someone on the phone to ascertain if they will get on with that person, if they feel any connection with them, before making arrangements and taking the time and trouble to meet someone in person. Or do you also disregard that as an acceptable thing for people other than you to want to do?" You suggest above with your comment that people who will not chat on the phone (for any reason) are not real. Hence your comment: " We are finding its about 99% of all "single" fems are either not actually even female, vanish into the mist should you ask for a phone chat to confirm they are real " 'Vanish into the mist' is a loaded statement that suggests that you believe they are fake, not genuine, not real. I feel like having to 'prove' myself online - rather than just meeting for coffee - is a problem because people are believing from the outset that I am not real. I really enjoy camming. I will not show my face on cam. That's because one of my friends found their webcam feed posted to a popular porn site and they couldn't remove it. There are real safety issues here. And before people suggest you can't do it with Skype - you absolutely can. I am a journalist who uses Skype for all my interviews - I have software that automatically records every single conversation - including video. I don't want that to happen to me. I would prefer to meet someone for coffee where I can see who they are and what they are doing. If they whip a video camera out in the coffee shop, I can walk off. Immediately. | |||
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"Really fed with the girls that have a single profile looking for women only and than all the sudden comes a bf in the picture. Why don't they just do sa couple's profile instead of tricking people. " Whilst I can understand the frustration and the potential for feeling conned, we're relatively laid back about a lady having someone present at a first meet, especially if it's a social, purely from a personal safety viewpoint. Also, if we're dead nervous before a meet, how much worse must it be for a single woman meeting a couple for a first time? Mr ddc | |||
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"One persons reasonable is another persons unreasonable. So much 'melodrama' comes from people feeling they have to assume the other person is wrong, rather than accepting that they play by different rules and are able to respect that and realise that they are not someone with whom they share a like-minded view." Yes I agree with you but in the forums assuming & non acceptance are common place & some will bang on to the bitter end... | |||
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" Nope. Just suggesting a reason why people might object to it, that's all. And why I didn't think the original statement was melodramatic either. Okay, to clarify then. You think that if a couple are seeking to meet with another person, and they ask to speak to that person on the phone prior to meeting, they are asking that person to jump 'through hoops like a lap dog'? If the suggestion is that if they won't do this they are fake and a time waster, then yes, I do. " What about if there is no suggestion of being fake? It's still exactly the same thing. Is it still the hoops and lapdog scenario then? | |||
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" What about if there is no suggestion of being fake? It's still exactly the same thing. Is it still the hoops and lapdog scenario then?" On the other hand... what's wrong with coffee? Then you get to meet in person in a relaxed environment and see if you get on? | |||
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" It's not melodramatic. By insisting on phone or cam chat you are effectively accusing someone of being fake. You seem to be unaware of the possibility that people may also wish to chat with someone on the phone to ascertain if they will get on with that person, if they feel any connection with them, before making arrangements and taking the time and trouble to meet someone in person. Or do you also disregard that as an acceptable thing for people other than you to want to do? You suggest above with your comment that people who will not chat on the phone (for any reason) are not real. Hence your comment: " We are finding its about 99% of all "single" fems are either not actually even female, vanish into the mist should you ask for a phone chat to confirm they are real " 'Vanish into the mist' is a loaded statement that suggests that you believe they are fake, not genuine, not real. " Sorry, I never said that. You are quoting someone else there. Would you like to answer the question I asked, instead, though? I'm interested in your thoughts on that point. | |||
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" What about if there is no suggestion of being fake? It's still exactly the same thing. Is it still the hoops and lapdog scenario then? On the other hand... what's wrong with coffee? Then you get to meet in person in a relaxed environment and see if you get on?" We visited a lady in Cornwall once. Everyone had an amazing time. That's a long way to go for an initial coffee, though. | |||
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"As an aside....lots of people give advice to single men when they have been let down that their process of arranging a meet has let them down, that they need to make sure the person is female, by phone call, cam etc etc....how would they do that if some couples and females don't think they have to prove that they are who they say they are? People say that others should trust them when they say they are female or a couple, but why should they? we are all strangers on the internet " | |||
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"Really fed with the girls that have a single profile looking for women only and than all the sudden comes a bf in the picture. Why don't they just do a couple's profile instead of tricking people. " If you report them Admin look into it for you and change if needed. To ayone else, if you find a profile with discrepancies on, report it instead of discussing the person on this thread. Thanks | |||
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" What about if there is no suggestion of being fake? It's still exactly the same thing. Is it still the hoops and lapdog scenario then? On the other hand... what's wrong with coffee? Then you get to meet in person in a relaxed environment and see if you get on? We visited a lady in Cornwall once. Everyone had an amazing time. That's a long way to go for an initial coffee, though." Yes it is, but that's just another way of determining that you're not suitable for each other. I don't want an 8 hour drive when I fancy a fuck. I want someone local enough for coffee and a fuck. We all have hoops for others to jump through. We all have hoops that we won't jump through. As a single female, I have the choice not to jump through hoops because there are so many people out there. Sucks, but it's true. | |||
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"As an aside....lots of people give advice to single men when they have been let down that their process of arranging a meet has let them down, that they need to make sure the person is female, by phone call, cam etc etc....how would they do that if some couples and females don't think they have to prove that they are who they say they are? People say that others should trust them when they say they are female or a couple, but why should they? we are all strangers on the internet " I would like to know who I'm meeting I'm not keen on "blind" meetings where you have seen one picture and not had a conversation. I value my safety as probably as others do. Also ive hidden my verifications so that makes it harder for people to find out if I'm genuine or not. | |||
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" It's not melodramatic. By insisting on phone or cam chat you are effectively accusing someone of being fake. Or confirming who someone is?" But I don't feel the need to confirm who I am to random people. I know I'm genuine. If someone doubts that they can simply pass us by. Our refusal to talk on the phone or cam hasn't held us back on here. | |||
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"Personally speaking we would never use Skype or cam as an initial contact point, for all the reasons mentioned above. Far too easy to be abused." And a phone conversation only tells you that they have a voicebox that can be interpreted as female. It doesn't tell you if they are the same person as their pictures, or if they have a vagina, or any other things that people seem to think it does. | |||
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" Nope. Just suggesting a reason why people might object to it, that's all. And why I didn't think the original statement was melodramatic either. Okay, to clarify then. You think that if a couple are seeking to meet with another person, and they ask to speak to that person on the phone prior to meeting, they are asking that person to jump 'through hoops like a lap dog'? If the suggestion is that if they won't do this they are fake and a time waster, then yes, I do. What about if there is no suggestion of being fake? It's still exactly the same thing. Is it still the hoops and lapdog scenario then?" For me it's what the outcome is if they don't want to do that. If it's a situation of "if you won't speak to us on the phone/cam then we won't meet you" I'd class that as a hoop. If that's what you prefer but they said they didn't want to do that so you explored other options like meeting for a coffee with them then I probably wouldn't. E.g. I prefer a social meet with no expectation of play first, but if there's some reason why that's not suitable then it's not a total deal breaker and I'd explore other options. | |||
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" We all have hoops for others to jump through. We all have hoops that we won't jump through. As a single female, I have the choice not to jump through hoops because there are so many people out there. Sucks, but it's true." And of course, no-one else on here has to jump through those hoops either, whether they are a single man, single woman or a couple, because there are so many people out there. | |||
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" It's not melodramatic. By insisting on phone or cam chat you are effectively accusing someone of being fake. Or confirming who someone is? But I don't feel the need to confirm who I am to random people. I know I'm genuine. If someone doubts that they can simply pass us by. Our refusal to talk on the phone or cam hasn't held us back on here. " That doesn't explain why you object to others deciding that it's what works for them, though, does it? | |||
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" We all have hoops for others to jump through. We all have hoops that we won't jump through. As a single female, I have the choice not to jump through hoops because there are so many people out there. Sucks, but it's true. And of course, no-one else on here has to jump through those hoops either, whether they are a single man, single woman or a couple, because there are so many people out there." All the threads from couples moaning they can't find genuine single women would suggest otherwise. | |||
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"Personally speaking we would never use Skype or cam as an initial contact point, for all the reasons mentioned above. Far too easy to be abused." even meeting a person they can still do a video on a phones and you know very little I know as done to me. Swinging is full of risks as people are strangers you don't really know them. | |||
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"Personally speaking we would never use Skype or cam as an initial contact point, for all the reasons mentioned above. Far too easy to be abused. And a phone conversation only tells you that they have a voicebox that can be interpreted as female. It doesn't tell you if they are the same person as their pictures, or if they have a vagina, or any other things that people seem to think it does." Yes...the phone would be a pretty poor method of gauging someone, if the only thing that a phone conversation could communicate was the sound of your voice! Luckily, most people are familiar enough with human interactions to be a bit more sophisticated in their ability to interpret conversation. | |||
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" It's not melodramatic. By insisting on phone or cam chat you are effectively accusing someone of being fake. Or confirming who someone is? But I don't feel the need to confirm who I am to random people. I know I'm genuine. If someone doubts that they can simply pass us by. Our refusal to talk on the phone or cam hasn't held us back on here. " Thats up to you, but for others they want to confirm by other means , it might not mean they think you are fake, they just want confirmation. For random people we would say sod off too, but I assumed the OP meant if they were looking at chatting with someonewith a view to meeting. We don't talk on the phone until we are about to meet, but if someone says " look, I know you have a PV and verifications but they could all be old ones and you could well have split up and just be a man alone now, can you just confirm one of you is female before we carry on chatting then we would do so if we were interested in that person , normally by a face and chat on Webcam. It is what most people are advised on this forum to do, get confirmation of who people are | |||
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" It's not melodramatic. By insisting on phone or cam chat you are effectively accusing someone of being fake. Or confirming who someone is? But I don't feel the need to confirm who I am to random people. I know I'm genuine. If someone doubts that they can simply pass us by. Our refusal to talk on the phone or cam hasn't held us back on here. That doesn't explain why you object to others deciding that it's what works for them, though, does it?" I haven't objected to anyone. I just agreed with Wasp Hunter' opinion. If people want to insist on a call fine but people seem shocked that not everyone is willing to accommodate that | |||
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" It's not melodramatic. By insisting on phone or cam chat you are effectively accusing someone of being fake. Or confirming who someone is? But I don't feel the need to confirm who I am to random people. I know I'm genuine. If someone doubts that they can simply pass us by. Our refusal to talk on the phone or cam hasn't held us back on here. That doesn't explain why you object to others deciding that it's what works for them, though, does it? I haven't objected to anyone. I just agreed with Wasp Hunter' opinion. If people want to insist on a call fine but people seem shocked that not everyone is willing to accommodate that" You said this: 'It's not a reasonable request to speak on the phone.' That can't be read in any way other than as an objection, can it? | |||
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" If people want to insist on a call fine but people seem shocked that not everyone is willing to accommodate that" You don't accommodate either? FAKE! | |||
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"I think it's bizarre some people feel they are being accused of being a fake if someone wants a phone call. Personally I don't see an insult there. Possibly because I insist on a phone call before a meet, to gauge interaction." I do that too. | |||
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" And a phone conversation only tells you that they have a voicebox that can be interpreted as female. It doesn't tell you if they are the same person as their pictures, or if they have a vagina, or any other things that people seem to think it does." I think most relatively switched on people could tell if a voice was really female on the phone. And a genuine female voice is a pretty good indicator that she is likely to have a vagina. | |||
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"I think it's bizarre some people feel they are being accused of being a fake if someone wants a phone call. Personally I don't see an insult there. Possibly because I insist on a phone call before a meet, to gauge interaction." This | |||
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"If this goes to 175 it still won't answer the O.P's Q. " I thought I'd answered it early on...because a single female profile attracts more attention than a couple one! | |||
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"If we are chatting to a lady on the phone, we always ask them who their favourite Spice Girl is. If they answer with anything other than 'Sporty', we know that they are really a man." No man would admit to that. Your method is flawed | |||
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"Really fed with the girls that have a single profile looking for women only and than all the sudden comes a bf in the picture. Why don't they just do a couple's profile instead of tricking people. " Because they can! I don't think there's a difinitive answer to the question. It's very similar to single men posing as couples. Report and move on. Best of luck finding what you are looking for | |||
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"I feel like having to 'prove' myself online - rather than just meeting for coffee - is a problem because people are believing from the outset that I am not real." Nobody should have to prove anything - this is a cautious environment and people should respect that. I think a lot of the difficulties stem from not paying attention. I live by the rule that (unless something in a profile blows me away) I stick to what I am looking for. If a profile has one thing in it that is not to my taste I do not establish contact. It means being patient, but it also means almost never being disappointed. The other thing to remember is they are reacting to you. If you make someone feel uncomfortable they will put up barriers. They'd be better to just block and move on, but they don't. Not everyone finds meeting strangers easy, and you have to respect that. That said there is an issue where couples use singles profiles or where men pretend to be women. The former is often the sign of an abusive relationship and the woman may not be so willing as the profile makes out. The latter is just sad. The best thing is to be choosy, assume someone is real, believe their profile, respect their choices, and move on when it doesn't feel right. | |||
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"If we are chatting to a lady on the phone, we always ask them who their favourite Spice Girl is. If they answer with anything other than 'Sporty', we know that they are really a man. No man would admit to that. Your method is flawed " This man will admit to Sporty being his favourite Spice Girl back in their heyday. Now I can't get enough of Mel B. | |||
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"To be outraged and surprised by this seems a little naive. Are we not net savvy enough to know about it already?" I am more surprised about the amount of people who will associate their face with nudity online - on a cam especially. Or while talking about swinging on a cam. That's perfect blackmail material, right there. | |||
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"To be outraged and surprised by this seems a little naive. Are we not net savvy enough to know about it already? I am more surprised about the amount of people who will associate their face with nudity online - on a cam especially. Or while talking about swinging on a cam. That's perfect blackmail material, right there." One of the main reasons I never cam. | |||
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"Really fed with the girls that have a single profile looking for women only and than all the sudden comes a bf in the picture. Why don't they just do a couple's profile instead of tricking people. " Completely agree. | |||
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" We are finding its about 99% of all "single" fems are either not actually even female, vanish into the mist should you ask for a phone chat to confirm they are real I'm a single woman who won't chat on the phone. I assure you, I'm very real. And last time I checked I was female. But I don't just through couple's hoops like a lapdog." Same here I'm 100% female 100% single and I do and have met, however I never give my number out and I have no interest in chatting on the phone, people can come to what conclusion they like from that if that makes me a fake so be it | |||
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"If we are chatting to a lady on the phone, we always ask them who their favourite Spice Girl is. If they answer with anything other than 'Sporty', we know that they are really a man. No man would admit to that. Your method is flawed This man will admit to Sporty being his favourite Spice Girl back in their heyday. Now I can't get enough of Mel B." FAKE | |||
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" We are finding its about 99% of all "single" fems are either not actually even female, vanish into the mist should you ask for a phone chat to confirm they are real I'm a single woman who won't chat on the phone. I assure you, I'm very real. And last time I checked I was female. But I don't just through couple's hoops like a lapdog. Same here I'm 100% female 100% single and I do and have met, however I never give my number out and I have no interest in chatting on the phone, people can come to what conclusion they like from that if that makes me a fake so be it" She is 100% real!! Ello NN.XXX | |||
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"If we are chatting to a lady on the phone, we always ask them who their favourite Spice Girl is. If they answer with anything other than 'Sporty', we know that they are really a man. No man would admit to that. Your method is flawed This man will admit to Sporty being his favourite Spice Girl back in their heyday. Now I can't get enough of Mel B. FAKE " Shit, I've been busted | |||
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"Really fed with the girls that have a single profile looking for women only and than all the sudden comes a bf in the picture. Why don't they just do a couple's profile instead of tricking people. " Supply and demand. Lots of couples hide behind a single women's profile. Lots of single men hide behind a couples profile. That's just the way some people try to make their profiles more attractive. Others tell lies about age or body type, it's just the way some people are. The site does its best to police this type of thing but the bottom line is that people should take responsibility for qualifying their own meets. Whatever option one chooses to achieve this, be it just verifications, messages, a phone call or a coffee meet seem reasonable. After all its just one part of deciding whether or not you fancy the person and finding out whether they fancy you! | |||
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"If this goes to 175 it still won't answer the O.P's Q. " No but its been entertaining discussing the OPs statement. | |||
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"Think everybody has lost sight of what op said . When contacting and meeting single fems. There should be nobody else involved in any capacity. If they have anybody else who will be involved in any way at all they simply should have a couple's profile. Fact is so many aren't honest about what they are. And c'mon that's shit and just not right is it?! " | |||
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"As an aside....lots of people give advice to single men when they have been let down that their process of arranging a meet has let them down, that they need to make sure the person is female, by phone call, cam etc etc....how would they do that if some couples and females don't think they have to prove that they are who they say they are? People say that others should trust them when they say they are female or a couple, but why should they? we are all strangers on the internet " | |||
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"Really fed with the girls that have a single profile looking for women only and than all the sudden comes a bf in the picture. Why don't they just do a couple's profile instead of tricking people. " I'm single n as my profile States im only looking for ff fun as I have a male fb so to spk any time , I'm genuinely only wanting ff fun but get so many males wanting to join in wen my profile says ff , men jus get too over excited over a ff profile n think they can change it ffs! Hope u find what ur looking for an get a genuine meet Hun | |||
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"Really fed with the girls that have a single profile looking for women only and than all the sudden comes a bf in the picture. Why don't they just do a couple's profile instead of tricking people. We are finding its about 99% of all "single" fems are either not actually even female, vanish into the mist should you ask for a phone chat to confirm they are real OR as you state suddenly have a FB/BF or Hubby who "has to come too!" we report them but nothing seems to happen to be honest!! just block and move on is our motto now!!" well said | |||
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