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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

so watched a couple of documentrys on the "abduction" of maddie mcann ..the amount of info the press left out was unbelievable .i thought it was a straight cut case but the more i looked into it the more bogus it looked ....why did this little girl get so much publicity wen kids go missin daily all round the world ??? ......anyone else seen anything on this n wud like to throw there opinions in ...m.n.m. x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

they found bin laden but couldnt find maddie? too strange that case

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

Havnt seen anything recently. The whole case never sat very comfortably with me. If it is all as tbe parents say its terrible, but still tbe parents have to take a massive amount of critism. Unfortunately i have never been able to take to the parents with their attitude of blaming everyone else and the way they court publicity is horrible. Personally deeply deeply suspicious that they are more involved than they admit to.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I have never seen all the case papers, the police reports and the evidence.

so, I never add to the conspiracy theories.

They were fucking stupid to leave the child, but I hope they do get the news one day they seek. The torment everyday must be unbearable.

as it is for all families missing a loved one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe I'm being overly protective but I think it's mindboggling insensitive to speculate conspiracy theories about the loss of a child in the name of creating media driven sensationalism....

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Who made the documentaries and what we're their sources? What evidence did they give to substantiate whatever claims they made.

If our daughter went missing I would court as much publicity as possible until the day I died and I wouldn't give two hoots if anybody liked me or not.

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By *orethancurvesWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

"I have never seen all the case papers, the police reports and the evidence.

so, I never add to the conspiracy theories.

They were fucking stupid to leave the child, but I hope they do get the news one day they seek. The torment everyday must be unbearable.

as it is for all families missing a loved one.

I havent seen that documentry (when was it on and what channel, would like to see if i can get it on catch up) but i have read the book that kate did. I have to say from reading that my stance changed. I had always thought they were involved and or at fault. Reading that changed my mind.

Also the big thing about how a parent could leave children alone. Reading that and seeing the distsnce and the checks that were made also changed my mind.

As i said tho i would like to see the documentary what was it on?

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

Who made the documentaries and what we're their sources? What evidence did they give to substantiate whatever claims they made.

If our daughter went missing I would court as much publicity as possible until the day I died and I wouldn't give two hoots if anybody liked me or not. "

Unfortunately there have been a large number of cases where the so called grieving parent or relative has been the offender in the case, and they have invariably sought and manipulated the media. One has to be sceptical in all these cases now.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Who made the documentaries and what we're their sources? What evidence did they give to substantiate whatever claims they made.

If our daughter went missing I would court as much publicity as possible until the day I died and I wouldn't give two hoots if anybody liked me or not.

I could be wrong but I thought that the McCann family were not suspects.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I don't think she is alive but that's just me...there are many theory around her disappearance..I know they did a video using dogs and thry sniffed out blood etc..who knows what happened to that little girl...I do believe that the parents were idiots but they have to live with that for the rest of their life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doubt they got in trouble for child neglect or had their other kids taken away to protect them from neglect either.

Tbh they either desperately want to find their child (who wouldn't) or they're fucked in the head and trying to prove their innocence knowing where she really is. Don't really give a shit myself either way. They're nothing to do with me.

I would never leave a load of babies alone in a apartment by themselves, fucking over-selfish idiots they are.

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By *icked ladyCouple
over a year ago

heathrow

"they found bin laden but couldnt find maddie? too strange that case

They did have some idea where to look for bin laden, unfortunately no one knows if this poor little girl is alive or not, in Europe, Africa, Far East or even the Middle East!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have never seen all the case papers, the police reports and the evidence.

so, I never add to the conspiracy theories.

They were fucking stupid to leave the child, but I hope they do get the news one day they seek. The torment everyday must be unbearable.

as it is for all families missing a loved one.

Also the big thing about how a parent could leave children alone. Reading that and seeing the distsnce and the checks that were made also changed my mind.

As i said tho i would like to see the documentary what was it on?"

Leaving young children alone is not acceptable on any level in my opinion. Checks or no checks.. The fact they did this in an apartment in a foreign country astounds me?!

I just hope people have learned from this awful tragedy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont believe for 1 second the parents DID leave her.

I think something happened either deliberate or otherwise and the girl is dead.

They strike me as 2 people who have come up with a story and thought "right we've GOT to stick to it".

Everytime I see them in the media I smell such Bull shit.

They always seem too calm to me. A bit too compliant.

They both look like they know exactly what's happened.

But that's just my opinion.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I do hope we aren't going to see loads of posts from people using YouTube videos and media reports as evidence that they know more about what went on than the police. If it is a conspiracy just how many people would need to be involved in it and would that be possible without one of them wanting to make a fortune by selling their story to one of these many documentary makers?

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"I do hope we aren't going to see loads of posts from people using YouTube videos and media reports as evidence that they know more about what went on than the police. If it is a conspiracy just how many people would need to be involved in it and would that be possible without one of them wanting to make a fortune by selling their story to one of these many documentary makers?"

I've watched a few out of curiosity but I wouldn't make a judgement from a you tube video the same as all the 9/11 stuff.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I've watched a few out of curiosity but I wouldn't make a judgement from a you tube video the same as all the 9/11 stuff. "

Exactly! You're aware that YouTube isn't a reliable source.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I dont believe for 1 second the parents DID leave her.

I think something happened either deliberate or otherwise and the girl is dead.

They strike me as 2 people who have come up with a story and thought "right we've GOT to stick to it".

Everytime I see them in the media I smell such Bull shit.

They always seem too calm to me. A bit too compliant.

They both look like they know exactly what's happened.

But that's just my opinion.

Got to say that thought had crossed my mind.. They appear to be responsible parents - not the type to leave their children alone..Did some awful accident happen, they panicked and came up with a plan to cover it up as to not go to prison for their other children sake?

Who knows - either way, the poor girl has gone and they have to live with that loss and guilt for the rest of their lives..

They don't appear to be horrible people to me. Just people who made some horribly wrong choices. Choices they now got to live with..

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

Leaving young children alone is not acceptable on any level in my opinion. Checks or no checks.. The fact they did this in an apartment in a foreign country astounds me?!I just hope people have learned from this awful tragedy.

I know that the circumstances are different but it appears tbat people havnt learnt, dont know the full details but letting a 7year old ski down the Alps on his own didnt seem to be the wisest of decisions, well it has been proved now to be a fatal decision.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Leaving young children alone is not acceptable on any level in my opinion. Checks or no checks.. The fact they did this in an apartment in a foreign country astounds me?!I just hope people have learned from this awful tragedy.

That was awful wasn't it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuck it, i'm out. My ever thinking brain is trying to figure out what happened and i don't need to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Got to say that thought had crossed my mind.. They appear to be responsible parents - not the type to leave their children alone..

Although that's how they might appear to you, the facts are they did leave their kids alone."

Yeah exactly...! another sad case of appearances can often be deceiving..

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

They were not bad people. They are not neglectful parents. They are good parents.

IF they did leave her as they say they did, then they made ONE hell of a stupid mistake in not having the foresight to realise a pedophile would be watching.

It amazed me the amount of misdirected blame that victims often fall foul of which doesn't help solve a case at all. In fact it muddies waters.

Look for the killer or killers. It may be them who knows? but FFS can we stop with the moralising and oooooooooo ahhhhhhhhhh ing about who would and who wouldn't leave a child alone. It doesn't solve anything.

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By *lligator3Man
over a year ago

Dundee

"they found bin laden but couldnt find maddie? too strange that case

gud point ..."

It's not a good point...the resources used to find bin laden was not equal to the wee girl....please!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they had been a less articulate working class family and not doctors they would have been slaughtered by the press

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"If they had been a less articulate working class family and not doctors they would have been slaughtered by the press"

Bigoted opinion and unfounded.

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By *educedWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham

What if all the world's governments are behind conspiracy theories to throw us off the scent of the real conspiracy?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who made the documentaries and what we're their sources? What evidence did they give to substantiate whatever claims they made.

If our daughter went missing I would court as much publicity as possible until the day I died and I wouldn't give two hoots if anybody liked me or not. "

Very well put

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Got to say that thought had crossed my mind.. They appear to be responsible parents - not the type to leave their children alone..

Although that's how they might appear to you, the facts are they did leave their kids alone.

Yeah exactly...! another sad case of appearances can often be deceiving.."

We'll never know, that's why i said i'm out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they had been a less articulate working class family and not doctors they would have been slaughtered by the press"

Probably. That ginger haired woman got slaughtered, she had sold her kid to someone but nobody knew that when they first started slagging her off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they had been a less articulate working class family and not doctors they would have been slaughtered by the press"

I totally agree!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Doubt they got in trouble for child neglect or had their other kids taken away to protect them from neglect either.

I would never leave a load of babies alone in a apartment by themselves, fucking over-selfish idiots they are."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they had been a less articulate working class family and not doctors they would have been slaughtered by the press"

I didn't want to play this card in what I said above.

But it is a legitimate card that could be played....

ooooh I love a good conspiracy.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

they have been slaughtered by some of the press, they have been slaughtered all over social media........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I sometimes wonder if all the people in the world that willingly allow themselves to believe far-fetched conspiracy theories suddenly discovered internet porn, would the world wide web crash and render online gaming redundant....

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

"If they had been a less articulate working class family and not doctors they would have been slaughtered by the press

Bigoted opinion and unfounded."

I disagree i think that its a valid point, they are articulate and have managed to dodge taking any responsibility for the circumstances. At best they were careless and selfish, putting their own enjoyment for the night above the health and safety of all their young children.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"they have been slaughtered by some of the press, they have been slaughtered all over social media........"

They've been "slaughtered" by the press and public opinion far more in my opinion than they would have been were they salt of the earth working class types.

People who suggest they should have had their other children taken off them and the reason that they haven't is because they're middle class should probably find out more about the circumstances in which social services actually remove children from their families.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

rich planet tv the true story of maddie mcann ..on youtube watch it make ur mind up for urself ..the amount of info u never heard about it is so wrong .to many bent rich buisness men got involved .so much money was made out of it ..im not claimin this documentray is correct nor am i claimin i kno wat happened ...all i am sayin is that the case is bent and all is not wat it seems .....my opinion is gerry n kate no more thanthey let on ....m.n.m

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

plz watch the four part docu ive mentioned its agreat eye opener .m.n.m.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

" .....my opinion is gerry n kate no more than they let on ....m.n.m"

what facts do you base your opinion on ?

what do you actually believe they know ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"they have been slaughtered by some of the press, they have been slaughtered all over social media........"
in my opinion so they shud ..money as kept them inoccent m.n.m

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"they have been slaughtered by some of the press, they have been slaughtered all over social media........

They've been "slaughtered" by the press and public opinion far more in my opinion than they would have been were they salt of the earth working class types.

They take them when there's a danger to the child. This can be because of neglect or abuse. They try to keep them within the family, rather than adopt them out. Might have been arranged privately for other family members to be with the kids at all times, without the need for court. Seen that happen to a lot of people, they stay with their kids but also another adult is responsible for the kids welfare.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"they have been slaughtered by some of the press, they have been slaughtered all over social media........ in my opinion so they shud ..money as kept them inoccent m.n.m"

what utter shte

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

i believe they know wat happened ..all evidence presented suggest that ..the only sole reason they not accountable is they have sone very powerful ppl workin for them wich is funded by the british tax payer ...like i say at very start ..why does this girl get so much coverege wen kids go missing daily...n please if uve only the info of wat the papers av told u plz go n do sum proper reasearch .....ps i kno my spellin n dictation are terribble .sorry about that .m.n.m

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By *gNeMan
over a year ago

Harrogate

"If they had been a less articulate working class family and not doctors they would have been slaughtered by the press

Bigoted opinion and unfounded."

May be unfounded, but it's only an opinion.. How do you know it's a bigoted one..?

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By *gNeMan
over a year ago

Harrogate

"I sometimes wonder if all the people in the world that willingly allow themselves to believe far-fetched conspiracy theories suddenly discovered internet porn, would the world wide web crash and render online gaming redundant....

Who hasn't discovered internet porn lol?

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By *gNeMan
over a year ago

Harrogate

Who made the documentaries and what we're their sources? What evidence did they give to substantiate whatever claims they made.

If our daughter went missing I would court as much publicity as possible until the day I died and I wouldn't give two hoots if anybody liked me or not. "

Would you use the money donated to searching for her on your mortgage though..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who made the documentaries and what we're their sources? What evidence did they give to substantiate whatever claims they made.

If our daughter went missing I would court as much publicity as possible until the day I died and I wouldn't give two hoots if anybody liked me or not.

Would you use the money donated to searching for her on your mortgage though..?"

If I hadn't been able to work as much due to her going missing and I had two other children to look after then yes I would.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"they have been slaughtered by some of the press, they have been slaughtered all over social media........ in my opinion so they shud ..money as kept them inoccent m.n.m

what utter shte"
wat a great debate u put forward there .see u can close ur eyes n believe wat u like i never asked u to comment nor did i ask or force u to believe my opinions .all ive told u is wats out there and u come bk wiv that ...so ur perception is that theyve been hammered by the press unlawfully ..well i say its justified as theres to much evidence against them ...class etc as nothing to do wiv it ..if this family was rich or poor it dont matter they were funded by a bogus trust fund paid for by british tax money etc ..si class as nowt to do wiv it ...they made money surrounded them selfs wiv very rich ppl wiv lots of power and basicaly took the country for idiots ....but hey thats jus my opinion m.n.m

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think Maddie is dead, but I've no real idea if the parents were more involved than they portray. I stand by innocent until proven guilty though.

There are many other child disappearance/murder cases that have many mysteries surrounding them. Two off the top of my head - Azaria Chamberlain in Australia in 1980. At one stage her mother was put on trial , but in the end they concluded a dingo did kill her.

Ben Needham - disappeared in 1991 from Kos . Still not found. To me very similar to Maddie - yet his family don't seem to get ripped to pieces like the McCann's do.

I just hope , Maddie didn't or isn't suffering, wherever she is.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"What if all the world's governments are behind conspiracy theories to throw us off the scent of the real conspiracy? "

Oh my god!!!! I didn't think of that

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"they have been slaughtered by some of the press, they have been slaughtered all over social media........ in my opinion so they shud ..money as kept them inoccent m.n.m

what utter shte wat a great debate u put forward there .see u can close ur eyes n believe wat u like i never asked u to comment nor did i ask or force u to believe my opinions .all I've told u is wats out there and u come bk wiv that ...so ur perception is that theyve been hammered by the press unlawfully ..well i say its justified as theres to much evidence against them ...class etc as nothing to do wiv it ..if this family was rich or poor it dont matter they were funded by a bogus trust fund paid for by british tax money etc ..si class as nowt to do wiv it ...they made money surrounded them selfs wiv very rich ppl wiv lots of power and basicaly took the country for idiots ....but hey thats jus my opinion m.n.m "

I said in my first post that I don't speculate as I haven't read the details of the case papers, the evidence or the testaments of people actually involved

now, you have clearly researched it...

what are the key facts that have led you to your conclusion that they know more then the say.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"they have been slaughtered by some of the press, they have been slaughtered all over social media........ in my opinion so they shud ..money as kept them inoccent m.n.m

what utter shte wat a great debate u put forward there .see u can close ur eyes n believe wat u like i never asked u to comment nor did i ask or force u to believe my opinions .all ive told u is wats out there and u come bk wiv that ...so ur perception is that theyve been hammered by the press unlawfully ..well i say its justified as theres to much evidence against them ...class etc as nothing to do wiv it ..if this family was rich or poor it dont matter they were funded by a bogus trust fund paid for by british tax money etc ..si class as nowt to do wiv it ...they made money surrounded them selfs wiv very rich ppl wiv lots of power and basicaly took the country for idiots ....but hey thats jus my opinion m.n.m "

You say there's too much evidence against them, could you point us in the direction of it?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Who made the documentaries and what we're their sources? What evidence did they give to substantiate whatever claims they made.

If our daughter went missing I would court as much publicity as possible until the day I died and I wouldn't give two hoots if anybody liked me or not.

Would you use the money donated to searching for her on your mortgage though..?"

Yes. My other child would need security and a home and I think that would help in the search.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"i believe they know wat happened ..all evidence presented suggest that ..the only sole reason they not accountable is they have sone very powerful ppl workin for them wich is funded by the british tax payer ...like i say at very start ..why does this girl get so much coverege wen kids go missing daily...n please if uve only the info of wat the papers av told u plz go n do sum proper reasearch .....ps i kno my spellin n dictation are terribble .sorry about that .m.n.m"

You appear to have done the research maybe you can tell us where this evidence is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Would you use the money donated to searching for her on your mortgage though..?"

If the money had been donated for that then yes i would.

If i'd asked for it for another reason then no i wouldn't, as that's fraud. Obviously i'd do what normal people do and ive within my means, even if that meant moving or renting.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think Maddie is dead, but I've no real idea if the parents were more involved than they portray. I stand by innocent until proven guilty though.

Ben Needham - disappeared in 1991 from Kos . Still not found. To me very similar to Maddie - yet his family don't seem to get ripped to pieces like the McCann's do.

I just hope , Maddie didn't or isn't suffering, wherever she is. "
i remenber the needham case ..i think thedifference in that is that the storys of parents n offer evidence pointed to a kiddknappin ..in the maddie case to much eviddence against parents ..so if needham parents innocent coz of evidence is in favour of kiddknappin why is it the evidence against the mcanns is not enuf ..like i say its who u kno i suppose m.n.m

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By *gNeMan
over a year ago

Harrogate

Who made the documentaries and what we're their sources? What evidence did they give to substantiate whatever claims they made.

If our daughter went missing I would court as much publicity as possible until the day I died and I wouldn't give two hoots if anybody liked me or not.

Would you use the money donated to searching for her on your mortgage though..?

If I hadn't been able to work as much due to her going missing and I had two other children to look after then yes I would. "

What were they doing that precluded working to fund their other responsibilities? Most families don't have the luxury of a charitable fund to take advantage of during crisis.

That money was given in good faith by thousands of people to help find the little girl. Yet instead was spent in maintaining the quality of life the parents were used to while they chose not to go back to work.

To top it all off they were suspects themselves for a very long time..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

You appear to have done the research maybe you can tell us where this evidence is."
plz go and watch and read and look into yourself im not goin to sit here and giv u a full case file am i ...all ive done is tickle ur brain wiv a theory wats out there ...if u to lazy to go n reasearch it or maybe u just not that assed or maybe u jus happy belivin wat the media tells u ...either way im easy ..all i kno as a fact is that something was bogus about it all m.n.m

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By *gNeMan
over a year ago

Harrogate

If the money had been donated for that then yes i would.

If i'd asked for it for another reason then no i wouldn't, as that's fraud. Obviously i'd do what normal people do and ive within my means, even if that meant moving or renting."

It wasn't donated for that reason, and as such there was justified outrage at the time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've watched some of the 9/11 and moon landing hoax videos and read the articles.

When it's clear they aren't following the laws of physics and making it up I laugh and turn the bullshit off.

Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

rich planet tv the true story of maddie mcann ....find it on youtube .this is best one ive watched ..giv it a watch n then comment on this post again ..we can iron this out like grown ups lol....;)

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By *educedWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham

"What if all the world's governments are behind conspiracy theories to throw us off the scent of the real conspiracy?

Oh my god!!!! I didn't think of that

It's all the Illuminati's fault

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By *gNeMan
over a year ago

Harrogate

Would you use the money donated to searching for her on your mortgage though..?

Yes. My other child would need security and a home and I think that would help in the search. "

They should have used there own savings though.. Mr Ccann was on a 70 odd thousand pound a year consultancy job!! Downgrade to a house with a smaller mortgage etc. Probably could have sold up and bought something smaller outright..

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By *gNeMan
over a year ago

Harrogate

"I've watched some of the 9/11 and moon landing hoax videos and read the articles.

When it's clear they aren't following the laws of physics and making it up I laugh and turn the bullshit off.

Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction "

With 9/11 its the actual government released information which didn't adhere to the laws of physics though

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

Which part if I could ask?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who made the documentaries and what we're their sources? What evidence did they give to substantiate whatever claims they made.

If our daughter went missing I would court as much publicity as possible until the day I died and I wouldn't give two hoots if anybody liked me or not.

Would you use the money donated to searching for her on your mortgage though..?

If I hadn't been able to work as much due to her going missing and I had two other children to look after then yes I would.

What were they doing that precluded working to fund their other responsibilities? Most families don't have the luxury of a charitable fund to take advantage of during crisis.

To top it all off they were suspects themselves for a very long time.."

I'm not sure how much 'chose' there is about it - given the amount of damnation of them as people that there had been in the press, and some of the _iews expressed on this thread even, could they really go back to the day job?

They were suspects yes, and people knew this and chose to donate anyway so I don't really see how that's relevant. No one is or was forced to donate. I didn't, because I think it's a job for the police.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

You appear to have done the research maybe you can tell us where this evidence is. plz go and watch and read and look into yourself im not goin to sit here and giv u a full case file am i ...all ive done is tickle ur brain wiv a theory wats out there ...if u to lazy to go n reasearch it or maybe u just not that assed or maybe u jus happy belivin wat the media tells u ...either way im easy ..all i kno as a fact is that something was bogus about it all m.n.m"

It's because I'm not happy believing what the media tell me that I won't watch it.

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By *ikki ShooterTV/TS
over a year ago

Epsom

Personally I think she dead or sold. She had all the traits of what human traffickers look for and they did go for anything else. Alternative is robbery gone wrong. knew one of the people that got shot in Antigua on their honeymoon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would you use the money donated to searching for her on your mortgage though..?

Yes. My other child would need security and a home and I think that would help in the search.

Perhaps they wanted their other children to have the stability of staying in their family home?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Would you use the money donated to searching for her on your mortgage though..?

Yes. My other child would need security and a home and I think that would help in the search.

Yes they could have done all those things while searching for a missing child but it wouldn't have been easy. I find it difficult to find it ing heart to condemn them for remaining in their own home. I don't condemn that disabled chap who was mugged for using donated money to live in a better house either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the money had been donated for that then yes i would.

If i'd asked for it for another reason then no i wouldn't, as that's fraud. Obviously i'd do what normal people do and ive within my means, even if that meant moving or renting.

It wasn't donated for that reason, and as such there was justified outrage at the time."

Did they have to pay it back? Don't see why they're above the law.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"they have been slaughtered by some of the press, they have been slaughtered all over social media........ in my opinion so they shud ..money as kept them inoccent m.n.m

I said in my first post that I don't speculate as I haven't read the details of the case papers, the evidence or the testaments of people actually involved

now, you have clearly researched it...

what are the key facts that have led you to your conclusion that they know more then the say."
key facts ....change statement on several occasions over years ..wutness statements clashed ..forensic evidence from search dogs ..the ammount of very high profile fraudsters used in the case ..and the main thing bein that the orignal police team on the case frpm portugal new and accused kate n gerry of murder but miracluasly a new team from over a here was put on case and orrignal police chief was sacked ..strangge ?? jus to mention a few ...plz look into it ..ull be surprised wats gon on that joe public dosnt kno m.n.m

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over a year ago

I think it's hard to accept or understand for most Of us from the UK that child trafficking is a business in parts of Europe and as horrific as it is this happens all the time.

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over a year ago

If the money had been donated for that then yes i would.

If i'd asked for it for another reason then no i wouldn't, as that's fraud. Obviously i'd do what normal people do and ive within my means, even if that meant moving or renting.

It wasn't donated for that reason, and as such there was justified outrage at the time.

Did they have to pay it back? Don't see why they're above the law."
nope the fund was never named or intended to help find maddie the fund was set up to fight legal cases against the mcanns ..all out there for u to reasearch m.n.m

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"If they had been a less articulate working class family and not doctors they would have been slaughtered by the press

Bigoted opinion and unfounded.

May be unfounded, but it's only an opinion.. How do you know it's a bigoted one..? "

It blames them purely on their perceived socio economic status.

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By *gNeMan
over a year ago

Harrogate

Well that's just speculation, and incorrect at that. He was a consultant working for the NHS, and went back to work in around 2008 I think. After spending over a million pounds on their living expenses.

If you are of the opinion that a charity can do with any donated money whatever they please, then we are simply of a different opinion on the matter.

I don't think they were involved by the way, other than minor neglect which unfortunately resulted in a major tragedy. Just commenting on the media shitstorm surrounding the whole thing.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"they have been slaughtered by some of the press, they have been slaughtered all over social media........ in my opinion so they shud ..money as kept them inoccent m.n.m

I said in my first post that I don't speculate as I haven't read the details of the case papers, the evidence or the testaments of people actually involved

now, you have clearly researched it...

what are the key facts that have led you to your conclusion that they know more then the say.key facts ....change statement on several occasions over years ..wutness statements clashed ..forensic evidence from search dogs ..the ammount of very high profile fraudsters used in the case ..and the main thing bein that the orignal police team on the case frpm portugal new and accused kate n gerry of murder but miracluasly a new team from over a here was put on case and orrignal police chief was sacked ..strangge ?? jus to mention a few ...plz look into it ..ull be surprised wats gon on that joe public doesn't kno m.n.m"

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over a year ago

"I think it's hard to accept or understand for most Of us from the UK that child trafficking is a business in parts of Europe and as horrific as it is this happens all the time."

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over a year ago

"they have been slaughtered by some of the press, they have been slaughtered all over social media........ in my opinion so they shud ..money as kept them inoccent m.n.m

I said in my first post that I don't speculate as I haven't read the details of the case papers, the evidence or the testaments of people actually involved

now, you have clearly researched it...

thanks...oh well, the Portuguese police believe they did it but couldn't actually come up with the evidence or find a body of a child that allowed a prosecution to take place. but they believe it.. I'm in now"
not sure if need for sarcasm ..but obviously u kno all u need to kno off this thread so job done

m.n.m

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I blame the guy on the grassy knoll

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you are of the opinion that a charity can do with any donated money whatever they please, then we are simply of a different opinion on the matter.

I don't think they were involved by the way, other than minor neglect which unfortunately resulted in a major tragedy. Just commenting on the media shitstorm surrounding the whole thing. "

If the money was donated specifically to fund private investigators etc then no it shouldn't have been spent on a mortgage. It wasn't though, it was for the McCann's cause as a whole, which in my _iew includes funding them to keep doing what they were doing which was focusing on raising awareness/publicity and fighting legal cases, rather than working full time. But as I said, I chose not to donate.

Incorrect speculation? Yes, guilty as charged. As are you and everyone else on this thread because we do not know anything for sure.

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By *gNeMan
over a year ago

Harrogate

"If they had been a less articulate working class family and not doctors they would have been slaughtered by the press

Bigoted opinion and unfounded.

May be unfounded, but it's only an opinion.. How do you know it's a bigoted one..?

It blames them purely on their perceived socio economic status. "

Bigoted actually just means being intolerant of another's set of _iews or beliefs. I don't see any evidence of that.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"they have been slaughtered by some of the press, they have been slaughtered all over social media........ in my opinion so they shud ..money as kept them inoccent m.n.m

I said in my first post that I don't speculate as I haven't read the details of the case papers, the evidence or the testaments of people actually involved

now, you have clearly researched it...

thanks...oh well, the Portuguese police believe they did it but couldn't actually come up with the evidence or find a body of a child that allowed a prosecution to take place. but they believe it.. I'm in now not sure if need for sarcasm ..but obviously u kno all u need to kno off this thread so job done

m.n.m"

yup, I was pointed to You Tube

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

If the money had been donated for that then yes i would.

If i'd asked for it for another reason then no i wouldn't, as that's fraud. Obviously i'd do what normal people do and ive within my means, even if that meant moving or renting.

It wasn't donated for that reason, and as such there was justified outrage at the time.

Did they have to pay it back? Don't see why they're above the law. nope the fund was never named or intended to help find maddie the fund was set up to fight legal cases against the mcanns ..all out there for u to reasearch m.n.m"

One of the funds aims is to provide support and financial assistance to the family. Which fund are you referring to?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I dont believe for 1 second the parents DID leave her.

I think something happened either deliberate or otherwise and the girl is dead.

They strike me as 2 people who have come up with a story and thought "right we've GOT to stick to it".

Everytime I see them in the media I smell such Bull shit.

They always seem too calm to me. A bit too compliant.

They both look like they know exactly what's happened.

But that's just my opinion.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"they have been slaughtered by some of the press, they have been slaughtered all over social media........ in my opinion so they shud ..money as kept them inoccent m.n.m

I think the reply ' what utter shite' was a very succinct and accurate analysis on a lot of what is being said rather than a contribution to the discussion.

I stand by the person who said it.

You are making wild claims that have no basis in ...........well ...... anything.

I quote you....... ' They made money and surrounded themselves with very rich people with lots of power and took the country for idiots'

Please answer me these simple questions.....

1. Who were the very rich people?

2. What power did they have?

3. Why did they want to use it to cover up the disappearance of a little girl?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"What if all the world's governments are behind conspiracy theories to throw us off the scent of the real conspiracy?

Oh my god!!!! I didn't think of that

It's all the Illuminati's fault

They can read you know !

You'll be next

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

right im not goin to say anymore ..ill leav u to debate it ...plz watch n read all u can n then make ur own mind up all im sayin is something different happened to wat we was told ....if u carnt be assd lookin into it dont see how u av a right to comment ..ive spent at least 250 hours on this n come up wiv my "own " opinion ...n that is kate n gerry mcann kno something we dont ..m.n.m much love happy swinging

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No question if they had been poor they would have been vilified, and rightly because what they did was despicable.

What does it for me is not that they went to that bar, they had the means and the opportunity to have them supervised and they didn't.

But that throws another twist, why? Is that the plan to be vilified as selfish parents, instead of being in prison.

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By *gNeMan
over a year ago

Harrogate

Incorrect speculation? Yes, guilty as charged. As are you and everyone else on this thread because we do not know anything for sure. "

Your ignoring the salient points of my argument though. They have used publicly donated money to purchase real estate off of the back of their missing daughter, rather than using their own private savings..

A lot are yes. I personally haven't actually speculated about anything though. Just recited some facts, and said i don't agree with it, and a lot of others hold the same _iew.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"No question if they had been poor they would have been vilified, and rightly because what they did was despicable.

they were crucified.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I dont believe for 1 second the parents DID leave her.

I think something happened either deliberate or otherwise and the girl is dead.

They strike me as 2 people who have come up with a story and thought "right we've GOT to stick to it".

Everytime I see them in the media I smell such Bull shit.

They always seem too calm to me. A bit too compliant.

They both look like they know exactly what's happened.

But that's just my opinion.

Fucking hell I hope you never get summoned for jury duty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the money had been donated for that then yes i would.

If i'd asked for it for another reason then no i wouldn't, as that's fraud. Obviously i'd do what normal people do and ive within my means, even if that meant moving or renting.

It wasn't donated for that reason, and as such there was justified outrage at the time.

Not surprised they became suspects after doing that. Looks like they were benefitting financially from her going missing/possibly being dead.

Surprised they even got to keep their other kids, they're prety fucked up morally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good God ,,will you listen to yourselves!! We leave children every night !..Unless the child sleeps with you .Who has kept an eye on their child 24/7?...Get off the Mc cans backs ..every day must be a torture !

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By *obbytupperMan
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

"Good God ,,will you listen to yourselves!! We leave children every night !..Unless the child sleeps with you .Who has kept an eye on their child 24/7?...Get off the Mc cans backs ..every day must be a torture !"

I agree with the above whole heartedly, we still don't know what happened to Claudia Lawrence after all this time either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Incorrect speculation? Yes, guilty as charged. As are you and everyone else on this thread because we do not know anything for sure.

A lot are yes. I personally haven't actually speculated about anything though. Just recited some facts, and said i don't agree with it, and a lot of others hold the same _iew. "

How do you know they didn't use their private savings to fund some of the search? So this money was used in equivalence of that? How do you know they even had private savings?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I was going to make the ( to me ) very obvious point before..... that all parents who .....

Go to bed before their kids

Send a kid to the shops

Let them walk to school on their own

Nip next door

Go for a bath

Leave them with babysitters or neighbours or even a bloody playgroup worker......

are all guilty if the Mccanns are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On the topic of conspiracy theories in general, I find the people who are happier in life are those who don't go around looking for the conspiracy, the ulterior motive, the evidence that the government/the police/the Man/the CIA/Starbucks/the Illuminati (delete as appropriate) are trying to fuck them over at all times.

So that's how I choose to live.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"On the topic of conspiracy theories in general, I find the people who are happier in life are those who don't go around looking for the conspiracy, the ulterior motive, the evidence that the government/the police/the Man/the CIA/Starbucks/the Illuminati (delete as appropriate) are trying to fuck them over at all times.

So that's how I choose to live. "

Correct. A great mind once said , many many years ago, that ' It is not events that injure us but our opinions about those events' ...... I paraphrase but it was a long time ago

Our own perception and behaviour in light of that perception is what makes us feel good or bad about something or ourselves

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By *gNeMan
over a year ago

Harrogate

Incorrect speculation? Yes, guilty as charged. As are you and everyone else on this thread because we do not know anything for sure.

A lot are yes. I personally haven't actually speculated about anything though. Just recited some facts, and said i don't agree with it, and a lot of others hold the same _iew.

How do you know they didn't use their private savings to fund some of the search? So this money was used in equivalence of that? How do you know they even had private savings? "

Your an intelligent woman, I just don't see eye to eye with you on a few things. I can't answer those questions, you either agree with the sentiment or you don't.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

That's where everyone's beliefs become stagnant. No truth in anything anyone says just unsubstantiated belief.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was going to make the ( to me ) very obvious point before..... that all parents who .....

Go to bed before their kids

Send a kid to the shops

Let them walk to school on their own

Nip next door

Go for a bath

Leave them with babysitters or neighbours or even a bloody playgroup worker......

are all guilty if the Mccanns are."

If these kids are under the age of three then yes i agree with you, apart from the babysitter comment because you're getting someone else to be responsible for them for you.

People need to have some common sense really, kids can do certain things at appropriate maturity. Babies need looking after, not to the point of helicopter parent but also not to the point of being dumped in an apartment by themselves where no-one responsible can hear them.

I'd never steal from my kid to fund my lifestyle and i'd never leave any baby on it's own like they did, so no we're not all like the mcanns. I'm selfish now i can be and that's good enough for me, they should have been selfish when they could be not just because they wanted to be.

They paid a price for it, unfortunately so did an innocent child.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Incorrect speculation? Yes, guilty as charged. As are you and everyone else on this thread because we do not know anything for sure.

A lot are yes. I personally haven't actually speculated about anything though. Just recited some facts, and said i don't agree with it, and a lot of others hold the same _iew.

How do you know they didn't use their private savings to fund some of the search? So this money was used in equivalence of that? How do you know they even had private savings?

Your an intelligent woman, I just don't see eye to eye with you on a few things. I can't answer those questions, you either agree with the sentiment or you don't.

Just pointing out that you were, in fact, speculating on a couple of matters.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

THREAD CLOSED Due to Lack of Evidence.

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By *gNeMan
over a year ago

Harrogate

Just pointing out that you were, in fact, speculating on a couple of matters. "

I was quoting things reported in the media at the time. I don't recall any lawsuits being filed for slander, so I have to believe that information to be factual.

Otherwise absolutely everything has to be considered as speculation and opinion.

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By *omethingSoGoodAboutSofiaWoman
over a year ago

Blackburn/Preston

"they found bin laden but couldnt find maddie? too strange that case

Did they really find Bin Laden though?!?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Not seen these documentaries but the state is responsible for the creation of many conspiracy theories as it deflects attention or helps create ridicule, around what's important that they don't want us to understand.

There's probably nothing like this for the poor girl, but important to bear in mind when being eager to discredit others' points of _iew.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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over a year ago

"they found bin laden but couldnt find maddie? too strange that case

Did they really find Bin Laden though?!?"

Do you seriously believe that if Bin Laden had not been killed as reported that he wouldn't have taken an opportunity by making an appearance which would totally destroy all US credibility,,

Oh c'mon....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actually ignore that last comment i made, it changes nothing really. They still committed fraud, even if they had used their own money for the search previously or afterwards.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

I wonder if the media would of treated a single mother from a council estate nipping next door to the pub leaving 3 under 3 year olds the same

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By *orethancurvesWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

"They were not bad people. They are not neglectful parents. They are good parents.

IF they did leave her as they say they did, then they made ONE hell of a stupid mistake in not having the foresight to realise a pedophile would be watching.

It amazed me the amount of misdirected blame that victims often fall foul of which doesn't help solve a case at all. In fact it muddies waters.

Has any parent on here ever left ur kids upstairs in bed while asleep and gone down the bottom of the garden to enjoy the last bit of sun for that day? Sat with a glass of wine talking to ur partner or a friend on the phone?

I have been to plenty of parties in a friends very large garden. Kids will be asleep upstairs while we all sit out talking and have never once thought the kids were unsafe. But i now know the distance of us being in the garden and the mcanns and other families who did the same was much further.

I think people are too quick to judge them as neglectful parents when in reality alot do the same but can somehow defend the way they do it to the way the mcanns did.

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By *omethingSoGoodAboutSofiaWoman
over a year ago

Blackburn/Preston

"they found bin laden but couldnt find maddie? too strange that case

Did they really find Bin Laden though?!?

Do you seriously believe that if Bin Laden had not been killed as reported that he wouldn't have taken an opportunity by making an appearance which would totally destroy all US credibility,,

Oh c'mon....

I simply asked a question, not my opinion or belief on it...therefore no need to c'mon!

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

I was going to make the ( to me ) very obvious point before..... that all parents who .....

Go to bed before their kids

Send a kid to the shops

Let them walk to school on their own

Nip next door

Go for a bath

Leave them with babysitters or neighbours or even a bloody playgroup worker......

are all guilty if the Mccanns are."

I have to say that anyone who allows a child of maddies age to go to the shops alone, parentts who go to bed before them, take a bath leaving them unattended, let them go to school on there own are in my opinion as guilty of neglect asthe Mccanns, i am amazex that anyone could think it acceptable parenting

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By *gNeMan
over a year ago

Harrogate

Do you seriously believe that if Bin Laden had not been killed as reported that he wouldn't have taken an opportunity by making an appearance which would totally destroy all US credibility,,

Oh c'mon....

Don't you remember the first time they said they'd got him? There was a video released after that, which we were told was a hoax..

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By *omethingSoGoodAboutSofiaWoman
over a year ago

Blackburn/Preston

"They were not bad people. They are not neglectful parents. They are good parents.

IF they did leave her as they say they did, then they made ONE hell of a stupid mistake in not having the foresight to realise a pedophile would be watching.

It amazed me the amount of misdirected blame that victims often fall foul of which doesn't help solve a case at all. In fact it muddies waters.

I think people are too quick to judge them as neglectful parents when in reality alot do the same but can somehow defend the way they do it to the way the mcanns did."

Absofuckinglutely!

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

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changed my mind

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

what i wanna know is; when they landed on the moon, who put the footprint UNDER the space capsule? if they were the first how can there be a photo of a footprint? and wind on the flag? there is no wind on the moon!

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"What if all the world's governments are behind conspiracy theories to throw us off the scent of the real conspiracy?

Oh my god!!!! I didn't think of that

It's all the Illuminati's fault

They can read you know !

You'll be next "

I won't because I am one of them

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"what i wanna know is; when they landed on the moon, who put the footprint UNDER the space capsule? if they were the first how can there be a photo of a footprint? and wind on the flag? there is no wind on the moon!

Lord Lucan was galloping past on Shergar....

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

It's a conspiracy that single men can't get meets on here

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

If the money had been donated for that then yes i would.

If i'd asked for it for another reason then no i wouldn't, as that's fraud. Obviously i'd do what normal people do and ive within my means, even if that meant moving or renting.

It wasn't donated for that reason, and as such there was justified outrage at the time.

Not surprised they became suspects after doing that. Looks like they were benefitting financially from her going missing/possibly being dead.

Surprised they even got to keep their other kids, they're prety fucked up morally."

as far as I know they paid two mortgage payments from the fund and as soon as the Portuguese named them as suspects took no more for that reason, this was decided by directors of the fund. One of the objectives of the fund (which I'm guessing was available for anyone donating to see) was to provide financial support for the family. Gerry McCann returned to work 6 months after she went missing, if my daughter went missing six months would barely be time for me to be able to function as a human being let alone as a surgeon.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Lord Lucan was galloping past on Shergar...."

Did Princess Diana tell you that when you took tea with her Elvis and Michael Jackson?

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

Lord Lucan was galloping past on Shergar....

Did Princess Diana tell you that when you took tea with her Elvis and Michael Jackson?"

were you there? ffs, those spy satellites, I have no privacy

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By *omethingSoGoodAboutSofiaWoman
over a year ago

Blackburn/Preston

Apparently no one has ever landed on the moon and it's all bullshit...not my opinion, just a conspiracy theory!

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over a year ago

Lord Lucan was galloping past on Shergar....

Did Princess Diana tell you that when you took tea with her Elvis and Michael Jackson?"
they live on the dark side of the moon with hitler and jesus! i talked to em yesterday

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By *omethingSoGoodAboutSofiaWoman
over a year ago

Blackburn/Preston

"changed my mind

You made a very valid point with your post...why change your mind?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The whole "idea" of donations to the Mcanns cause bothered me from the start.

For various reasons. So I didnt donate.

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

Sat laughing at you all and your conspiracy theories.!!!!!

Watchin isis on telly smash up "ancient" relics. Big fat militant isn't half strugglin getting through that rebar in the stone statues though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"changed my mind

You made a very valid point with your post...why change your mind?"
book him danno! cuff him if he resists

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I was going to make the ( to me ) very obvious point before..... that all parents who .....

Go to bed before their kids

Send a kid to the shops

Let them walk to school on their own

Nip next door

Go for a bath

Leave them with babysitters or neighbours or even a bloody playgroup worker......

are all guilty if the Mccanns are.

I said CHILD or CHILDREN. I didn't say of Maddie's age.

Children of all ages are abducted, get murdered or injured not just the under fives.

The age group most likely to get into grief when left alone are the 12's up. The little ones mostly sleep.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Introduce volantary chipping! No more missing people/planes etc if you've nothing to hide you wouldn't mind...

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I was going to make the ( to me ) very obvious point before..... that all parents who .....

Go to bed before their kids

Send a kid to the shops

Let them walk to school on their own

Nip next door

Go for a bath

Leave them with babysitters or neighbours or even a bloody playgroup worker......

are all guilty if the Mccanns are."

You missed out the one of , leave three small children in an apartment abroad while go eat and drink every night.

I know which one I think is unacceptable. Sadly a little girl was lost for the parents being irresponsible, but it is ok as other people let children go to bed while they are downstairs.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Lord Lucan was galloping past on Shergar....

Did Princess Diana tell you that when you took tea with her Elvis and Michael Jackson? they live on the dark side of the moon with hitler and jesus! i talked to em yesterday

You and thousands of others it would seem

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Ok can people please be civil if you are going to join in on the thread.

Thanks

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"changed my mind

You made a very valid point with your post...why change your mind?"

sometimes, it's just easier

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"so watched a couple of documentrys on the "abduction" of maddie mcann ..the amount of info the press left out was unbelievable .i thought it was a straight cut case but the more i looked into it the more bogus it looked ....why did this little girl get so much publicity wen kids go missin daily all round the world ??? ......anyone else seen anything on this n wud like to throw there opinions in ...m.n.m. x "
. This is a very sad case and it is surprising that people are prepared to speculate as to what happened . Both parents were educated and intelligent and I am sure that they were very good parents . Whilst the children were left unattended during the course of the meal , they were in a holiday complex and regular checks were made. This hardly amounts to neglect . On a simplistic basis the child appears to have gone missing by abducted and it is rather offensive to even speculate that the parents were involved .

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over a year ago

If the money had been donated for that then yes i would.

If i'd asked for it for another reason then no i wouldn't, as that's fraud. Obviously i'd do what normal people do and ive within my means, even if that meant moving or renting.

It wasn't donated for that reason, and as such there was justified outrage at the time.

Not surprised they became suspects after doing that. Looks like they were benefitting financially from her going missing/possibly being dead.

Surprised they even got to keep their other kids, they're prety fucked up morally.

Yeah they had to make it public, it was a non-profitting business they set up and donations had to be accounted for, maybe they could claim the house as an expense if they were working from it?

Not sure why doing something suspicious, then stopping doing it when caught makes you look less suspicious.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I was going to make the ( to me ) very obvious point before..... that all parents who .....

Go to bed before their kids

Send a kid to the shops

Let them walk to school on their own

Nip next door

Go for a bath

Leave them with babysitters or neighbours or even a bloody playgroup worker......

are all guilty if the Mccanns are.

You missed out the one of , leave three small children in an apartment abroad while go eat and drink every night.

I know which one I think is unacceptable. Sadly a little girl was lost for the parents being irresponsible, but it is ok as other people let children go to bed while they are downstairs.

I didn't miss it out. I was comparing other forms of children being on their own.

I don't accept that what they did was right. I don't accept it was responsible parenting.

I don't think blaming them for it helps the case any.

It's like blaming the people who are burgled for sleeping with their door unlocked. Blaming the car owners because they left their keys in an insecure place. Blaming and old woman for having a handbag on her arm. Blaming a woman for wearing a skirt and making the rapists job easy.

No one knows what happened and focussing on their 'neglect' doesn't solve anything. I said it earlier.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

If the money had been donated for that then yes i would.

If i'd asked for it for another reason then no i wouldn't, as that's fraud. Obviously i'd do what normal people do and ive within my means, even if that meant moving or renting.

It wasn't donated for that reason, and as such there was justified outrage at the time.

Not surprised they became suspects after doing that. Looks like they were benefitting financially from her going missing/possibly being dead.

Surprised they even got to keep their other kids, they're prety fucked up morally.

Yeah they had to make it public, it was a non-profitting business they set up and donations had to be accounted for, maybe they could claim the house as an expense if they were working from it?

Not sure why doing something suspicious, then stopping doing it when caught makes you look less suspicious.

I don't think the McCann's administered the fund I think it was/is a team of directors. They didn't stop because they were caught they stopped because they were named suspects in the disappearance of their daughter.

There is another fund that people like Richard Branson have donated to.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I was going to make the ( to me ) very obvious point before..... that all parents who .....

Go to bed before their kids

Send a kid to the shops

Let them walk to school on their own

Nip next door

Go for a bath

Leave them with babysitters or neighbours or even a bloody playgroup worker......

are all guilty if the Mccanns are.

You missed out the one of , leave three small children in an apartment abroad while go eat and drink every night.

I know which one I think is unacceptable. Sadly a little girl was lost for the parents being irresponsible, but it is ok as other people let children go to bed while they are downstairs.

PS, at Maddies age, a few of what you say is not acceptable either. I am surprised responsible parents would think so.

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By *omethingSoGoodAboutSofiaWoman
over a year ago

Blackburn/Preston

"changed my mind

You made a very valid point with your post...why change your mind?

sometimes, it's just easier"

I thought that was the case...easier not having any self righteous folk comment because it's what they do on a regular if not daily basis but it's fine because it's them and nothing has happened yet...you should've left it on, got the popcorn out and laughed at how ridiculously right 'open minded' people 'think' they are! You spoilt the thread for me, shame on you!!!!

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

To the OP, I have not see the programme so don't know what you mean by conspiracy, but if I get round to watching it I will come back to it.

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By *omethingSoGoodAboutSofiaWoman
over a year ago

Blackburn/Preston

I was going to make the ( to me ) very obvious point before..... that all parents who .....

Go to bed before their kids

Send a kid to the shops

Let them walk to school on their own

Nip next door

Go for a bath

Leave them with babysitters or neighbours or even a bloody playgroup worker......

are all guilty if the Mccanns are.

You missed out the one of , leave three small children in an apartment abroad while go eat and drink every night.

I know which one I think is unacceptable. Sadly a little girl was lost for the parents being irresponsible, but it is ok as other people let children go to bed while they are downstairs.

I didn't miss it out. I was comparing other forms of children being on their own.

I don't accept that what they did was right. I don't accept it was responsible parenting.

I don't think blaming them for it helps the case any.

No one knows what happened and focussing on their 'neglect' doesn't solve anything. I said it earlier."

'No one knows what happened and focussing on their 'neglect' doesn't solve anything.' Exactly!

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I said CHILD or CHILDREN. I didn't say of Maddie's age.

Children of all ages are abducted, get murdered or injured not just the under fives.

The age group most likely to get into grief when left alone are the 12's up. The little ones mostly sleep."

Then I suppose it isn't really a great comparison.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I was going to make the ( to me ) very obvious point before..... that all parents who .....

Go to bed before their kids

Send a kid to the shops

Let them walk to school on their own

Nip next door

Go for a bath

Leave them with babysitters or neighbours or even a bloody playgroup worker......

are all guilty if the Mccanns are.

You missed out the one of , leave three small children in an apartment abroad while go eat and drink every night.

I know which one I think is unacceptable. Sadly a little girl was lost for the parents being irresponsible, but it is ok as other people let children go to bed while they are downstairs.

PS, at Maddies age, a few of what you say is not acceptable either. I am surprised responsible parents would think so."

As I pointed out above to someone else..... I didn't say of Maddie's age.

Other ages are still children and still subject to abuse, neglect and mishap.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

who took all the holes out of polos? and what did they do with em? hmmm....

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I said CHILD or CHILDREN. I didn't say of Maddie's age.

Children of all ages are abducted, get murdered or injured not just the under fives.

The age group most likely to get into grief when left alone are the 12's up. The little ones mostly sleep.

Then I suppose it isn't really a great comparison.

It's an excellent comparison.

People are determined to blacken the McCanns for leaving their children. I'd say leaving them was wrong. The point im making is that everyone does it in some form every day.

Over thirty years ago. I went to Butlins with my family. I left my twin daughters asleep 'happy' in the knowledge that the baby sitting service would alert me if they heard crying.

With hindsight - I dread to think what could have happened to my girls.

If the , then unvetted, baby patrollers had been , d*unk, having sex, pedophiles, too lazy to walk around. Or even if my daughters had just got up and fallen or electrocuted themselves .... ??? it beggars belief in the light of the McCann case. It's what EVERYONE did then and many allow their children out of their sight at many times during the day.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I didn't miss it out. I was comparing other forms of children being on their own.

I don't accept that what they did was right. I don't accept it was responsible parenting.

I don't think blaming them for it helps the case any.

No one knows what happened and focussing on their 'neglect' doesn't solve anything. I said it earlier."

But your comparison isn't the same as your following posts have said ie age of the child.

Your other comparisons are not the same either.

The only comparison is if when your child were small and you left them on their own while going to the pub for your tea.

I am guessing they beat themselves up every day about doing the same thing but it doesn't change facts, some parents are irresponsible and they were

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"who took all the holes out of polos? and what did they do with em? hmmm...."

You can buy polo holes. I love em

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ALIENS theres a good one better than neglected or dead kids ffs lighten up guys!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"who took all the holes out of polos? and what did they do with em? hmmm....

You can buy polo holes. I love em"

Oh leave off!

......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"who took all the holes out of polos? and what did they do with em? hmmm....

You can buy polo holes. I love em"
you jest my dear! where?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the money had been donated for that then yes i would.

If i'd asked for it for another reason then no i wouldn't, as that's fraud. Obviously i'd do what normal people do and ive within my means, even if that meant moving or renting.

It wasn't donated for that reason, and as such there was justified outrage at the time.

Not surprised they became suspects after doing that. Looks like they were benefitting financially from her going missing/possibly being dead.

Surprised they even got to keep their other kids, they're prety fucked up morally.

Yeah they had to make it public, it was a non-profitting business they set up and donations had to be accounted for, maybe they could claim the house as an expense if they were working from it?

Not sure why doing something suspicious, then stopping doing it when caught makes you look less suspicious.

There is another fund that people like Richard Branson have donated to."

Yeah i saw there was two funds, tbh a lot came up around the fraud and half of it was daily mail links, i refuse to click on them. Hardly saw anything i could count on as a reliable source.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"who took all the holes out of polos? and what did they do with em? hmmm....

You can buy polo holes. I love em

Oh leave off!

......

you can !

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"who took all the holes out of polos? and what did they do with em? hmmm....

You can buy polo holes. I love emyou jest my dear! where?

In sweetie shops

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I said CHILD or CHILDREN. I didn't say of Maddie's age.

Children of all ages are abducted, get murdered or injured not just the under fives.

The age group most likely to get into grief when left alone are the 12's up. The little ones mostly sleep.

Then I suppose it isn't really a great comparison.

It's an excellent comparison.

People are determined to blacken the McCanns for leaving their children. I'd say leaving them was wrong. The point im making is that everyone does it in some form every day.

Over thirty years ago. I went to Butlins with my family. I left my twin daughters asleep 'happy' in the knowledge that the baby sitting service would alert me if they heard crying.

With hindsight - I dread to think what could have happened to my girls.

I think thats the crux of it, some people didn't leave their children and what they did will be alien to them ( ie us as being the not leaving the kids ) and some parents ( like you) think it is ok to do.

Hence the difference in how one half of us think it is not the right thing to do and the other half defending what they did.

They obviously thought it was acceptable too

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

To the money thing....Anytime something tragic happens people normally donate.....didn't people give the money for the family to use? IE donate it for them?

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over a year ago

"To the money thing....Anytime something tragic happens people normally donate.....didn't people give the money for the family to use? IE donate it for them? "

Yes.

But I had an issue with that from the start for various reasons so I didn't donate.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

There local to me so are often on the local news, he was also the doctor on the ward my dad was in. They are such emotionaless looking people

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"To the money thing....Anytime something tragic happens people normally donate.....didn't people give the money for the family to use? IE donate it for them? "

Yep!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"There local to me so are often on the local news, he was also the doctor on the ward my dad was in. They are such emotionaless looking people"

Does that mean not happy ?

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"changed my mind

You made a very valid point with your post...why change your mind?

sometimes, it's just easier

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"There local to me so are often on the local news, he was also the doctor on the ward my dad was in. They are such emotionaless looking people

Does that mean not happy ?"
did I say that?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"To the money thing....Anytime something tragic happens people normally donate.....didn't people give the money for the family to use? IE donate it for them?

Yep! "

I don't know what people have said is true or even how anyone would find out, but if the money was donated to them then if people wanted them to only use it for certain things I don't know how that would be controlled.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"There local to me so are often on the local news, he was also the doctor on the ward my dad was in. They are such emotionaless looking people"

To be fair, a lot of Doctors seem like that, especially surgeons.

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over a year ago

"There local to me so are often on the local news, he was also the doctor on the ward my dad was in. They are such emotionaless looking people"

See that's the bit that bugs me most about the vilification of the McCanns. When I saw them on TV where other people saw cold or smug or "too calm" or whatever, I saw grief etched all over their faces. Just because they weren't wriging their hands wailing and screaming somehow that makes their pain less genuine? I have never, ever seen my mother cry. Or my dad. I don't cry at much at all. I've been told I'm a cold fish. I'm not, I just don't express myself that way so I don't cry at weddings and funerals. It doesn't mean that I, or they, don't love or feel pain.

People express pain, sorrow and grief in completely different ways, and it's absolutely disgusting that the McCanns have been condemned by so many for not behaving the way most people say 'they' would if something so horrific happened to them.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"To the money thing....Anytime something tragic happens people normally donate.....didn't people give the money for the family to use? IE donate it for them?

Yes.

But I had an issue with that from the start for various reasons so I didn't donate. "

Was it because you didn't know where it would go or something else?

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I don't know. There's obviously more to the story than we know. I think some things seem suspicious but that's based on only a fraction of the information, much of which came from media sources so will have been reported for controversy rather than accuracy.

I don't watch documentaries on it, (because, again, they're all skewed for some aim or other), and I pay little attention to what's reported about it.

I'll leave it at I don't know and go back to not thinking much about it.

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over a year ago

"There local to me so are often on the local news, he was also the doctor on the ward my dad was in. They are such emotionaless looking people

To be fair, a lot of Doctors seem like that, especially surgeons.

I'd rather my surgeon came across calm and controlled, if that means emotionless then so be it. Wouldn't want a weeping, wailing hysterical one

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"There local to me so are often on the local news, he was also the doctor on the ward my dad was in. They are such emotionaless looking people

To be fair, a lot of Doctors seem like that, especially surgeons.

I'd rather my surgeon came across calm and controlled, if that means emotionless then so be it. Wouldn't want a weeping, wailing hysterical one

My post wasn't meant seriously

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