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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

would you want the base?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope"

Why not?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope

Why not?"

Because the sweaties need the jobs now the oils gone Tits up...And its bloody dangerous.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope

Why not?

Because the sweaties need the jobs now the oils gone Tits up...And its bloody dangerous.

Gimp

What if the Scots vote the United Kingdom's nuclear deterrent out of Scotland at some point in the next 10 or 20 years, which is what seems likely to happen, what then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope

Why not?

Because the sweaties need the jobs now the oils gone Tits up...And its bloody dangerous.

Gimp

What if the Scots vote the United Kingdom's nuclear deterrent out of Scotland at some point in the next 10 or 20 years, which is what seems likely to happen, what then? "

How and why would they do that, They arnt independant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"would you want the base?"

Yes. Plymouth has nuclear facilities and the town would welcome the work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any part of London will be fine by me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd have it by my house!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope

Why not?

Because the sweaties need the jobs now the oils gone Tits up...And its bloody dangerous.

Gimp

What if the Scots vote the United Kingdom's nuclear deterrent out of Scotland at some point in the next 10 or 20 years, which is what seems likely to happen, what then?

How and why would they do that, They arnt independant"

Did you not know the SNP want it out of there and that that one of the first things they were going to do if last years referendum had concluded with a "yes vote"?

And did you not know they're already planning another independence referendum to run within the next 5 years?

They want it out of there.. and if they get the independence they want it'll end up in England.. or Athena's house..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why cant there be a UK wide referendum to decide if we want Scotland in the UK?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Why cant there be a UK wide referendum to decide if we want Scotland in the UK?"

There can. There is just no interest in doing so.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Why cant there be a UK wide referendum to decide if we want Scotland in the UK?"
its westminster that wants us,we dont need or want the rest of the UK

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why cant there be a UK wide referendum to decide if we want Scotland in the UK?"

Why can't there be a referendum to decide if we want england in the uk? Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland can all be together as the UK, england can be independant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope

Why not?

Because the sweaties need the jobs now the oils gone Tits up...And its bloody dangerous.

Gimp

What if the Scots vote the United Kingdom's nuclear deterrent out of Scotland at some point in the next 10 or 20 years, which is what seems likely to happen, what then?

How and why would they do that, They arnt independant

Did you not know the SNP want it out of there and that that one of the first things they were going to do if last years referendum had concluded with a "yes vote"?

And did you not know they're already planning another independence referendum to run within the next 5 years?

They want it out of there.. and if they get the independence they want it'll end up in England.. or Athena's house.."

Belfast , Swansea and Cardiff can all have it. It doesn't have to be in England.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To the best of my knowledge LST time I looked into this.

There's no where in Britain except Scotland with capabilities for nuclear weapons.

I do believe the government had a back up plan years ago, to move it to France!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope

Why not?

Because the sweaties need the jobs now the oils gone Tits up...And its bloody dangerous.

Gimp

What if the Scots vote the United Kingdom's nuclear deterrent out of Scotland at some point in the next 10 or 20 years, which is what seems likely to happen, what then?

How and why would they do that, They arnt independant

Did you not know the SNP want it out of there and that that one of the first things they were going to do if last years referendum had concluded with a "yes vote"?

And did you not know they're already planning another independence referendum to run within the next 5 years?

They want it out of there.. and if they get the independence they want it'll end up in England.. or Athena's house.."

I was going to say, if those jocks kick off again, we will kick their arses.

But they have the nukes, bastards !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why cant there be a UK wide referendum to decide if we want Scotland in the UK?

Why can't there be a referendum to decide if we want england in the uk? Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland can all be together as the UK, england can be independant. "

But then where will the welshies play football. Swansea live being part of England.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why cant there be a UK wide referendum to decide if we want Scotland in the UK?

Why can't there be a referendum to decide if we want england in the uk? Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland can all be together as the UK, england can be independant. "

Sounds like a good idea to me. Although the idea of being attached to 3 x 3rd world countries doesnt appeal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why cant there be a UK wide referendum to decide if we want Scotland in the UK?

Why can't there be a referendum to decide if we want england in the uk? Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland can all be together as the UK, england can be independant.

But then where will the welshies play football. Swansea live being part of England. "

I don't get it?

Swansea has the liberty stadium and Cardiff has cardiff city stadium.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why cant there be a UK wide referendum to decide if we want Scotland in the UK?"

Because the number of british forces would be halved

I can understand why they want the independence. I was born and raised in Edinburgh but I didn't vote yes. We are stronger together.

Strategically its the best place for trident to be, its open to the atlantic, irish and north seas. allowing less travel time to each specific region where they may need to be deployed. If it was on the east coast we only really have quick access to the north and the Baltic sea.

I think it should stay where it is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope

Why not?

Because the sweaties need the jobs now the oils gone Tits up...And its bloody dangerous.

Gimp

What if the Scots vote the United Kingdom's nuclear deterrent out of Scotland at some point in the next 10 or 20 years, which is what seems likely to happen, what then?

How and why would they do that, They arnt independant

Did you not know the SNP want it out of there and that that one of the first things they were going to do if last years referendum had concluded with a "yes vote"?

And did you not know they're already planning another independence referendum to run within the next 5 years?

They want it out of there.. and if they get the independence they want it'll end up in England.. or Athena's house.."

But the Referendum didnt conclude with a yes vote so we are stuck with them for the Foreseeable future, As for five years time they wont have a hope in Hell, Firstly THEY dont get to decide if they have a Referendum and Secondly they are losing support with all their posturing about bringing down a Government after the Election.

Gimp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So heartening to see that in our modern, secular, enlightened age, we still maintain order in the world by pointing our weapons at each other.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why cant there be a UK wide referendum to decide if we want Scotland in the UK?

Why can't there be a referendum to decide if we want england in the uk? Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland can all be together as the UK, england can be independant.

But then where will the welshies play football. Swansea live being part of England.

I don't get it?

Swansea has the liberty stadium and Cardiff has cardiff city stadium."

Both play in the English league though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sounds like a good idea to me. Although the idea of being attached to 3 x 3rd world countries doesnt appeal

actually youll find that Scotland would become one of the richest nations on earth in terms of GDP per person according to the OECD! but again, stronger together

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why cant there be a UK wide referendum to decide if we want Scotland in the UK?its westminster that wants us,we dont need or want the rest of the UK

I think its called Democracy when the Majority of Voters say stay

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To the best of my knowledge LST time I looked into this.

There's no where in Britain except Scotland with capabilities for nuclear weapons.

I do believe the government had a back up plan years ago, to move it to France!"

It's most likely the Americans would let us use thier facilities while we built new ones as they use the same system

Either way they can't start building new ones in England now or the Scottish will get angry knowing it's moving and they're losing jobs.

But if they don't build them now the Scottish will get angry and demand stuff in return. For keeping it.

Stick it where ever makes the most sense for the subs leaving tbh. If we're the target of a nuclear strike nearly all our cities will be up in smoke anyway so it's hardly a danger being near the thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sounds like a good idea to me. Although the idea of being attached to 3 x 3rd world countries doesnt appeal

actually youll find that Scotland would become one of the richest nations on earth in terms of GDP per person according to the OECD! but again, stronger together"

They would be ranked the 14th richest based on GDP per person, placing them above the UK and france....

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over a year ago

"So heartening to see that in our modern, secular, enlightened age, we still maintain order in the world by pointing our weapons at each other."

unfortunately no-one told the arabs, Russians or Chinese that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh i forgot about the Muslim Africans, them to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why cant there be a UK wide referendum to decide if we want Scotland in the UK?

Why can't there be a referendum to decide if we want england in the uk? Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland can all be together as the UK, england can be independant. "

England, having Westminster and the Royal family specifically, forms the nucleus of what is "the UK".

Without them there couldn't actually be a "United Kingdom" or even a "Kingdom" at all if Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland voted them and England out.. except for what would be the new 'Kingdom of England".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everybody hates us n we dont care

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over a year ago

"So heartening to see that in our modern, secular, enlightened age, we still maintain order in the world by pointing our weapons at each other.

unfortunately no-one told the arabs, Russians or Chinese that."
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In 2000 years of history we've been invaded by none of them!.

However we've invaded all three on several occasions.

Let's investigate one, the opium wars where the righteous British sought to Balance the deficit of goods between Britain and China by making all the Chinese into addicts and protecting the important trade of well basically heroin.

After we massacred a hundred thousand of these moraless Chinese and took Hong kong as victors spoils.... Oh yes those foreigners and their lack of ethics.

I suggest before anyone else says we need to worry about being invaded, they pick up a fucking history book and see just who is the bad guy in the world with no morals or ethics!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So heartening to see that in our modern, secular, enlightened age, we still maintain order in the world by pointing our weapons at each other.

unfortunately no-one told the arabs, Russians or Chinese that..

In 2000 years of history we've been invaded by none of them!.

However we've invaded all three on several occasions.

After we massacred a hundred thousand of these moraless Chinese and took Hong kong as victors spoils.... Oh yes those foreigners and their lack of ethics.

I suggest before anyone else says we need to worry about being invaded, they pick up a fucking history book and see just who is the bad guy in the world with no morals or ethics!!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sounds like a good idea to me. Although the idea of being attached to 3 x 3rd world countries doesnt appeal

actually youll find that Scotland would become one of the richest nations on earth in terms of GDP per person according to the OECD! but again, stronger together

They would be ranked the 14th richest based on GDP per person, placing them above the UK and france...."

But how much of that would be lost when most of the financial institutions would be forced to leave due to no lender of last resort?

And depending on how they chose to deal with the debt issue they may find them lives unable to borrow at reasonable rates which for a country running a deficit would no end well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So heartening to see that in our modern, secular, enlightened age, we still maintain order in the world by pointing our weapons at each other.

unfortunately no-one told the arabs, Russians or Chinese that..

In 2000 years of history we've been invaded by none of them!.

However we've invaded all three on several occasions.

After we massacred a hundred thousand of these moraless Chinese and took Hong kong as victors spoils.... Oh yes those foreigners and their lack of ethics.

I suggest before anyone else says we need to worry about being invaded, they pick up a fucking history book and see just who is the bad guy in the world with no morals or ethics!!"

The actions of men long since dead shouldn't be used to judge their descendants.

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By *londeCazWoman
over a year ago

Arse End of the Universe, Cumbria

The Vanguard class (Trident) subs were all built in Cumbria, not too far from Arse End, and I contributed to that build for a few years...personally, I wouldn't have a problem with having them based here in Britain

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So heartening to see that in our modern, secular, enlightened age, we still maintain order in the world by pointing our weapons at each other.

unfortunately no-one told the arabs, Russians or Chinese that..

In 2000 years of history we've been invaded by none of them!.

However we've invaded all three on several occasions.

After we massacred a hundred thousand of these moraless Chinese and took Hong kong as victors spoils.... Oh yes those foreigners and their lack of ethics.

I suggest before anyone else says we need to worry about being invaded, they pick up a fucking history book and see just who is the bad guy in the world with no morals or ethics!!"

What's any of that got to do with "our modern, secular, enlightened age"? Oh and ask the Cornish about the north Africans.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So heartening to see that in our modern, secular, enlightened age, we still maintain order in the world by pointing our weapons at each other.

unfortunately no-one told the arabs, Russians or Chinese that..

In 2000 years of history we've been invaded by none of them!.

However we've invaded all three on several occasions.

After we massacred a hundred thousand of these moraless Chinese and took Hong kong as victors spoils.... Oh yes those foreigners and their lack of ethics.

I suggest before anyone else says we need to worry about being invaded, they pick up a fucking history book and see just who is the bad guy in the world with no morals or ethics!!"

And a load of them have invaded the shit out of each other. And would have invaded us had we not defended ourself. Britain is no better nor worse than any of the major empires in history.

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By *alandriaTV/TS
over a year ago

Nottingham

Well we don't want the jocks. Bunch of scroungers

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By *alandriaTV/TS
over a year ago

Nottingham

"Why cant there be a UK wide referendum to decide if we want Scotland in the UK?

Why can't there be a referendum to decide if we want england in the uk? Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland can all be together as the UK, england can be independant.

England, having Westminster and the Royal family specifically, forms the nucleus of what is "the UK".

Bring it on!!

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By *londeCazWoman
over a year ago

Arse End of the Universe, Cumbria

"So heartening to see that in our modern, secular, enlightened age, we still maintain order in the world by pointing our weapons at each other.

unfortunately no-one told the arabs, Russians or Chinese that..

In 2000 years of history we've been invaded by none of them!.

However we've invaded all three on several occasions.

After we massacred a hundred thousand of these moraless Chinese and took Hong kong as victors spoils.... Oh yes those foreigners and their lack of ethics.

I suggest before anyone else says we need to worry about being invaded, they pick up a fucking history book and see just who is the bad guy in the world with no morals or ethics!!

What's any of that got to do with "our modern, secular, enlightened age"? Oh and ask the Cornish about the north Africans."

And them fucking Romans invading us...and the wanker Vikings...and the first Homo Erectus what came out of Africa - I've never really seen the logic in using the fact that in years gone by we used to invade, keep slaves, go on crusades against the infidel Arabs and some folk put milk into the cup before pouring the tea in...that happened in the past with many people. I prefer to make my arguments without recourse to something that happened many years ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So heartening to see that in our modern, secular, enlightened age, we still maintain order in the world by pointing our weapons at each other.

unfortunately no-one told the arabs, Russians or Chinese that..

In 2000 years of history we've been invaded by none of them!.

However we've invaded all three on several occasions.

After we massacred a hundred thousand of these moraless Chinese and took Hong kong as victors spoils.... Oh yes those foreigners and their lack of ethics.

I suggest before anyone else says we need to worry about being invaded, they pick up a fucking history book and see just who is the bad guy in the world with no morals or ethics!!

The actions of men long since dead shouldn't be used to judge their descendants."
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OK look at Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya.

Then look where we don't take direct action but action through secretive work!.

Like how we deposed time man of the year 1951 mohammad Mosaddegh of Iran, a democratically elected progressive leader who wanted the Iranian oil for.... Well Iranians.

I think it was Winston Churchill who funded the million dollar cia operation to remove him and install our own man and put Iran on the path of chaos!.

Or look at what te Laurence was really upto in the middle East!

I'm afraid to say the British could learn a lot about morals and ethics from foreigners

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So heartening to see that in our modern, secular, enlightened age, we still maintain order in the world by pointing our weapons at each other.

unfortunately no-one told the arabs, Russians or Chinese that..

In 2000 years of history we've been invaded by none of them!.

However we've invaded all three on several occasions.

After we massacred a hundred thousand of these moraless Chinese and took Hong kong as victors spoils.... Oh yes those foreigners and their lack of ethics.

I suggest before anyone else says we need to worry about being invaded, they pick up a fucking history book and see just who is the bad guy in the world with no morals or ethics!!

The actions of men long since dead shouldn't be used to judge their descendants."

They weren't talking about that, they were making a point about what has happened in the past now means there are now many disgruntled nations that would welcome an opportunity to put the UK at a disadvantage of some sort, some even want a fair crack at the UK, Argentina being one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You mean that Argentina want to invade the UK?

Gimp

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over a year ago

"So heartening to see that in our modern, secular, enlightened age, we still maintain order in the world by pointing our weapons at each other.

unfortunately no-one told the arabs, Russians or Chinese that..

In 2000 years of history we've been invaded by none of them!.

However we've invaded all three on several occasions.

After we massacred a hundred thousand of these moraless Chinese and took Hong kong as victors spoils.... Oh yes those foreigners and their lack of ethics.

I suggest before anyone else says we need to worry about being invaded, they pick up a fucking history book and see just who is the bad guy in the world with no morals or ethics!!

The actions of men long since dead shouldn't be used to judge their descendants..

OK look at Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya.

Then look where we don't take direct action but action through secretive work!.

Like how we deposed time man of the year 1951 mohammad Mosaddegh of Iran, a democratically elected progressive leader who wanted the Iranian oil for.... Well Iranians.

I think it was Winston Churchill who funded the million dollar cia operation to remove him and install our own man and put Iran on the path of chaos!.

Or look at what te Laurence was really upto in the middle East!

I'm afraid to say the British could learn a lot about morals and ethics from foreigners"

Which foreigners? Show me a country which, if in a position of power and influence in the work, hasn't done similar things. None of the major powers hold themselves up as beacons of morality in the world. Those that aren't focused on foreign policy are often engaged in committing human rights violations against their own citizens (actual human rights violations, not taking the vote away from prisoners or similar as in this country).

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over a year ago

"So heartening to see that in our modern, secular, enlightened age, we still maintain order in the world by pointing our weapons at each other.

unfortunately no-one told the arabs, Russians or Chinese that..

In 2000 years of history we've been invaded by none of them!.

However we've invaded all three on several occasions.

After we massacred a hundred thousand of these moraless Chinese and took Hong kong as victors spoils.... Oh yes those foreigners and their lack of ethics.

I suggest before anyone else says we need to worry about being invaded, they pick up a fucking history book and see just who is the bad guy in the world with no morals or ethics!!

And a load of them have invaded the shit out of each other. And would have invaded us had we not defended ourself. Britain is no better nor worse than any of the major empires in history. "
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What!!.

Slave trade ring a bell.

Concentration camps in the boer wars.

We've massacred more people in history than everyone else combined.

If you want to keep nuclear weapons because you want to maintain the status quo of us bullying everyone else to rob them of any wealth, I'm fine with that.

But don't sit there and bullshit me that the British hold some moral high ground over foreigners

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over a year ago

"So heartening to see that in our modern, secular, enlightened age, we still maintain order in the world by pointing our weapons at each other.

unfortunately no-one told the arabs, Russians or Chinese that..

In 2000 years of history we've been invaded by none of them!.

However we've invaded all three on several occasions.

After we massacred a hundred thousand of these moraless Chinese and took Hong kong as victors spoils.... Oh yes those foreigners and their lack of ethics.

I suggest before anyone else says we need to worry about being invaded, they pick up a fucking history book and see just who is the bad guy in the world with no morals or ethics!!

And a load of them have invaded the shit out of each other. And would have invaded us had we not defended ourself. Britain is no better nor worse than any of the major empires in history. .

What!!.

Slave trade ring a bell.

Concentration camps in the boer wars.

We've massacred more people in history than everyone else combined.

If you want to keep nuclear weapons because you want to maintain the status quo of us bullying everyone else to rob them of any wealth, I'm fine with that.

But don't sit there and bullshit me that the British hold some moral high ground over foreigners"

I didn't say that we did.

But I fail to be convinced that other powers would not have taken the same actions as Britain did in those situations.

We do not hold a moral high ground over foreigners; my point is they do not hold a moral high ground over us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You mean that Argentina want to invade the UK?

Gimp"

No, I don't.

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over a year ago

"So heartening to see that in our modern, secular, enlightened age, we still maintain order in the world by pointing our weapons at each other.

unfortunately no-one told the arabs, Russians or Chinese that..

In 2000 years of history we've been invaded by none of them!.

However we've invaded all three on several occasions.

After we massacred a hundred thousand of these moraless Chinese and took Hong kong as victors spoils.... Oh yes those foreigners and their lack of ethics.

I suggest before anyone else says we need to worry about being invaded, they pick up a fucking history book and see just who is the bad guy in the world with no morals or ethics!!

And a load of them have invaded the shit out of each other. And would have invaded us had we not defended ourself. Britain is no better nor worse than any of the major empires in history. .

What!!.

Slave trade ring a bell.

Concentration camps in the boer wars.

We've massacred more people in history than everyone else combined.

If you want to keep nuclear weapons because you want to maintain the status quo of us bullying everyone else to rob them of any wealth, I'm fine with that.

But don't sit there and bullshit me that the British hold some moral high ground over foreigners

I didn't say that we did.

But I fail to be convinced that other powers would not have taken the same actions as Britain did in those situations.

We do not hold a moral high ground over foreigners; my point is they do not hold a moral high ground over us."
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Your judging others by our own evil standards!.

That's the equivalent of murders justifying their actions by saying these black slaves are savages so they deserve to be enslaved and massacred

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Why cant there be a UK wide referendum to decide if we want Scotland in the UK?its westminster that wants us,we dont need or want the rest of the UK

Are you speaking for yourself or for all of Scotland?

If it's the latter, you perhaps need to remind yourself of the outcome of the referendum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So heartening to see that in our modern, secular, enlightened age, we still maintain order in the world by pointing our weapons at each other.

unfortunately no-one told the arabs, Russians or Chinese that..

In 2000 years of history we've been invaded by none of them!.

However we've invaded all three on several occasions.

After we massacred a hundred thousand of these moraless Chinese and took Hong kong as victors spoils.... Oh yes those foreigners and their lack of ethics.

I suggest before anyone else says we need to worry about being invaded, they pick up a fucking history book and see just who is the bad guy in the world with no morals or ethics!!

And a load of them have invaded the shit out of each other. And would have invaded us had we not defended ourself. Britain is no better nor worse than any of the major empires in history. .

What!!.

Slave trade ring a bell.

Concentration camps in the boer wars.

We've massacred more people in history than everyone else combined.

If you want to keep nuclear weapons because you want to maintain the status quo of us bullying everyone else to rob them of any wealth, I'm fine with that.

But don't sit there and bullshit me that the British hold some moral high ground over foreigners

I didn't say that we did.

But I fail to be convinced that other powers would not have taken the same actions as Britain did in those situations.

We do not hold a moral high ground over foreigners; my point is they do not hold a moral high ground over us..

Your judging others by our own evil standards!.

That's the equivalent of murders justifying their actions by saying these black slaves are savages so they deserve to be enslaved and massacred"

It isn't. You haven't told me yet which countries' example we should be following.

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over a year ago

"So heartening to see that in our modern, secular, enlightened age, we still maintain order in the world by pointing our weapons at each other.

unfortunately no-one told the arabs, Russians or Chinese that..

In 2000 years of history we've been invaded by none of them!.

However we've invaded all three on several occasions.

After we massacred a hundred thousand of these moraless Chinese and took Hong kong as victors spoils.... Oh yes those foreigners and their lack of ethics.

I suggest before anyone else says we need to worry about being invaded, they pick up a fucking history book and see just who is the bad guy in the world with no morals or ethics!!

And a load of them have invaded the shit out of each other. And would have invaded us had we not defended ourself. Britain is no better nor worse than any of the major empires in history. .

What!!.

Slave trade ring a bell.

Concentration camps in the boer wars.

We've massacred more people in history than everyone else combined.

If you want to keep nuclear weapons because you want to maintain the status quo of us bullying everyone else to rob them of any wealth, I'm fine with that.

But don't sit there and bullshit me that the British hold some moral high ground over foreigners

I didn't say that we did.

But I fail to be convinced that other powers would not have taken the same actions as Britain did in those situations.

We do not hold a moral high ground over foreigners; my point is they do not hold a moral high ground over us..

Your judging others by our own evil standards!.

That's the equivalent of murders justifying their actions by saying these black slaves are savages so they deserve to be enslaved and massacred

It isn't. You haven't told me yet which countries' example we should be following. "
.

Which countries example of what?.

I said our actions have been worse than anybody else's in history!.

What your saying is that everybody would be that bad given the opportunities we had!.

By that logic no murderer should be arrested as really they've just had an opportunity the non murderer didn't!.

What your attempting to do, is justify your actions, it's a well known action that any police officer will tell you all bad people use!

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over a year ago

Would be happier to have it at home. To be honest they could build an ICBM silo under our paddocks as long as we keep hold of our nuclear deterrent.

(For the armchair keyboard warriors I'm aware our deterrent is based on Submarines so no need to get butthurt over silos)

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over a year ago

"So heartening to see that in our modern, secular, enlightened age, we still maintain order in the world by pointing our weapons at each other.

unfortunately no-one told the arabs, Russians or Chinese that..

In 2000 years of history we've been invaded by none of them!.

However we've invaded all three on several occasions.

After we massacred a hundred thousand of these moraless Chinese and took Hong kong as victors spoils.... Oh yes those foreigners and their lack of ethics.

I suggest before anyone else says we need to worry about being invaded, they pick up a fucking history book and see just who is the bad guy in the world with no morals or ethics!!

And a load of them have invaded the shit out of each other. And would have invaded us had we not defended ourself. Britain is no better nor worse than any of the major empires in history. .

What!!.

Slave trade ring a bell.

Concentration camps in the boer wars.

We've massacred more people in history than everyone else combined.

If you want to keep nuclear weapons because you want to maintain the status quo of us bullying everyone else to rob them of any wealth, I'm fine with that.

But don't sit there and bullshit me that the British hold some moral high ground over foreigners

I didn't say that we did.

But I fail to be convinced that other powers would not have taken the same actions as Britain did in those situations.

We do not hold a moral high ground over foreigners; my point is they do not hold a moral high ground over us..

Your judging others by our own evil standards!.

That's the equivalent of murders justifying their actions by saying these black slaves are savages so they deserve to be enslaved and massacred

It isn't. You haven't told me yet which countries' example we should be following. .

Which countries example of what?.

I said our actions have been worse than anybody else's in history!.

What your saying is that everybody would be that bad given the opportunities we had!.

By that logic no murderer should be arrested as really they've just had an opportunity the non murderer didn't!.

What your attempting to do, is justify your actions, it's a well known action that any police officer will tell you all bad people use!"

A few posts up you said "I'm afraid to say the British could learn a lot about morals and ethics from foreigners". I'm not seeking to justify anything, my point is that history has shown that powerful countries have always fought each other and invaded weaker ones. Sadly it's human nature and part of man's inhumanity to man. If Britain has been worst in numbers terms, it's because unfortunately we were pretty good at it. Nowhere have I said that is something to be celebrated, but I do not believe that there is anything in the British psyche or society which makes us any worse than US, Japan, France, Germany, China, Russia, Italy, India, Pakistan or any other country in the world.

But this is a pointless debate because you're not going to convince me of the validity of your hyperbolic handwringing version of history and it's not even what the thread was supposed to be about.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Nope

Why not?

Because the sweaties need the jobs now the oils gone Tits up...And its bloody dangerous.

Gimp

What if the Scots vote the United Kingdom's nuclear deterrent out of Scotland at some point in the next 10 or 20 years, which is what seems likely to happen, what then? "

Back to crossbows for you guys then

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over a year ago

"Everybody hates us n we dont care

Royal Gim"

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Nope

Why not?

Because the sweaties need the jobs now the oils gone Tits up...And its bloody dangerous.

Gimp

What if the Scots vote the United Kingdom's nuclear deterrent out of Scotland at some point in the next 10 or 20 years, which is what seems likely to happen, what then?

How and why would they do that, They arnt independant

Did you not know the SNP want it out of there and that that one of the first things they were going to do if last years referendum had concluded with a "yes vote"?

And did you not know they're already planning another independence referendum to run within the next 5 years?

They want it out of there.. and if they get the independence they want it'll end up in England.. or Athena's house.."

Where have you heard this about another independence referendum? there is no plans on another referendum.

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over a year ago

"So heartening to see that in our modern, secular, enlightened age, we still maintain order in the world by pointing our weapons at each other.

unfortunately no-one told the arabs, Russians or Chinese that..

In 2000 years of history we've been invaded by none of them!.

However we've invaded all three on several occasions.

After we massacred a hundred thousand of these moraless Chinese and took Hong kong as victors spoils.... Oh yes those foreigners and their lack of ethics.

I suggest before anyone else says we need to worry about being invaded, they pick up a fucking history book and see just who is the bad guy in the world with no morals or ethics!!

What's any of that got to do with "our modern, secular, enlightened age"? Oh and ask the Cornish about the north Africans.

I doubt that the first Homo Erectus out of Africa would have needed to invade, they'd have been welcomed with open arms and legs.

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over a year ago

"So heartening to see that in our modern, secular, enlightened age, we still maintain order in the world by pointing our weapons at each other.

unfortunately no-one told the arabs, Russians or Chinese that..

In 2000 years of history we've been invaded by none of them!.

However we've invaded all three on several occasions.

After we massacred a hundred thousand of these moraless Chinese and took Hong kong as victors spoils.... Oh yes those foreigners and their lack of ethics.

I suggest before anyone else says we need to worry about being invaded, they pick up a fucking history book and see just who is the bad guy in the world with no morals or ethics!!

And a load of them have invaded the shit out of each other. And would have invaded us had we not defended ourself. Britain is no better nor worse than any of the major empires in history. .

What!!.

Slave trade ring a bell.

Concentration camps in the boer wars.

We've massacred more people in history than everyone else combined.

If you want to keep nuclear weapons because you want to maintain the status quo of us bullying everyone else to rob them of any wealth, I'm fine with that.

But don't sit there and bullshit me that the British hold some moral high ground over foreigners

I didn't say that we did.

But I fail to be convinced that other powers would not have taken the same actions as Britain did in those situations.

We do not hold a moral high ground over foreigners; my point is they do not hold a moral high ground over us..

Your judging others by our own evil standards!.

That's the equivalent of murders justifying their actions by saying these black slaves are savages so they deserve to be enslaved and massacred

It isn't. You haven't told me yet which countries' example we should be following. .

Which countries example of what?.

I said our actions have been worse than anybody else's in history!.

What your saying is that everybody would be that bad given the opportunities we had!.

By that logic no murderer should be arrested as really they've just had an opportunity the non murderer didn't!.

What your attempting to do, is justify your actions, it's a well known action that any police officer will tell you all bad people use!

But this is a pointless debate because you're not going to convince me of the validity of your hyperbolic handwringing version of history and it's not even what the thread was supposed to be about."
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Ah the personal attack, I wondered when you'd get round to it.

I wasn't trying to convince you of anything, you started arguing with me remember!

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over a year ago

"So heartening to see that in our modern, secular, enlightened age, we still maintain order in the world by pointing our weapons at each other.

unfortunately no-one told the arabs, Russians or Chinese that..

In 2000 years of history we've been invaded by none of them!.

However we've invaded all three on several occasions.

After we massacred a hundred thousand of these moraless Chinese and took Hong kong as victors spoils.... Oh yes those foreigners and their lack of ethics.

I suggest before anyone else says we need to worry about being invaded, they pick up a fucking history book and see just who is the bad guy in the world with no morals or ethics!!

And a load of them have invaded the shit out of each other. And would have invaded us had we not defended ourself. Britain is no better nor worse than any of the major empires in history. .

What!!.

Slave trade ring a bell.

Concentration camps in the boer wars.

We've massacred more people in history than everyone else combined.

If you want to keep nuclear weapons because you want to maintain the status quo of us bullying everyone else to rob them of any wealth, I'm fine with that.

But don't sit there and bullshit me that the British hold some moral high ground over foreigners

I didn't say that we did.

But I fail to be convinced that other powers would not have taken the same actions as Britain did in those situations.

We do not hold a moral high ground over foreigners; my point is they do not hold a moral high ground over us..

Your judging others by our own evil standards!.

That's the equivalent of murders justifying their actions by saying these black slaves are savages so they deserve to be enslaved and massacred

It isn't. You haven't told me yet which countries' example we should be following. .

Which countries example of what?.

I said our actions have been worse than anybody else's in history!.

What your saying is that everybody would be that bad given the opportunities we had!.

By that logic no murderer should be arrested as really they've just had an opportunity the non murderer didn't!.

What your attempting to do, is justify your actions, it's a well known action that any police officer will tell you all bad people use!

But this is a pointless debate because you're not going to convince me of the validity of your hyperbolic handwringing version of history and it's not even what the thread was supposed to be about..

Ah the personal attack, I wondered when you'd get round to it.

I wasn't trying to convince you of anything, you started arguing with me remember!"

Not intended to be a personal attack and you know it isn't. You know you hold forthright views and I'm sure you're well used to how people respond to them. I was waiting for an answer to the question about which foreigners we should be learning from, but it seems you'd rather dodge that question so never mind.

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over a year ago

As a engineer is that industry, NO problem is transferring the bases down south, not a problem having more skilled workers either from up north of the border.

Nuclear material is dangerous, but think of this, would you rather have it in a functioning power station, even if it only breaks even, in a monetary sense. Or even worse weapons grade, that you only need to put enough of it in the same place, BOOM!!!! Or rather it was guarded by men with guns with permission to shoot anyone to stop them getting to it.

Or are you in the camp that says, you can uninvent something by banning it, stick it in a old coal mine and forget about it and it'll all be like it was before, a peaceful world, no wars. Or was it?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"would you want the base?"

there is only one place that would be fully "trident" ready down south and that would be plymouth... although portsmouth would be equipped enough to do any repairs ...

has anyone asked nicola how she would replace the 10,000 jobs that come with trident?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Nope

Why not?

Because the sweaties need the jobs now the oils gone Tits up...And its bloody dangerous.

Gimp

What if the Scots vote the United Kingdom's nuclear deterrent out of Scotland at some point in the next 10 or 20 years, which is what seems likely to happen, what then?

How and why would they do that, They arnt independant

Did you not know the SNP want it out of there and that that one of the first things they were going to do if last years referendum had concluded with a "yes vote"?

And did you not know they're already planning another independence referendum to run within the next 5 years?

They want it out of there.. and if they get the independence they want it'll end up in England.. or Athena's house..

Where have you heard this about another independence referendum? there is no plans on another referendum."

Another referendum is never far from Nicola's mind.

The prospect of a Scottish referendum following an EU in/ out referendum in 2016 (as she said last night) is just another reason she wants the Tories to win.

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over a year ago

"So heartening to see that in our modern, secular, enlightened age, we still maintain order in the world by pointing our weapons at each other.

unfortunately no-one told the arabs, Russians or Chinese that..

In 2000 years of history we've been invaded by none of them!.

However we've invaded all three on several occasions.

After we massacred a hundred thousand of these moraless Chinese and took Hong kong as victors spoils.... Oh yes those foreigners and their lack of ethics.

I suggest before anyone else says we need to worry about being invaded, they pick up a fucking history book and see just who is the bad guy in the world with no morals or ethics!!

And a load of them have invaded the shit out of each other. And would have invaded us had we not defended ourself. Britain is no better nor worse than any of the major empires in history. .

What!!.

Slave trade ring a bell.

Concentration camps in the boer wars.

We've massacred more people in history than everyone else combined.

If you want to keep nuclear weapons because you want to maintain the status quo of us bullying everyone else to rob them of any wealth, I'm fine with that.

But don't sit there and bullshit me that the British hold some moral high ground over foreigners

I didn't say that we did.

But I fail to be convinced that other powers would not have taken the same actions as Britain did in those situations.

We do not hold a moral high ground over foreigners; my point is they do not hold a moral high ground over us..

Your judging others by our own evil standards!.

That's the equivalent of murders justifying their actions by saying these black slaves are savages so they deserve to be enslaved and massacred

It isn't. You haven't told me yet which countries' example we should be following. .

Which countries example of what?.

I said our actions have been worse than anybody else's in history!.

What your saying is that everybody would be that bad given the opportunities we had!.

By that logic no murderer should be arrested as really they've just had an opportunity the non murderer didn't!.

What your attempting to do, is justify your actions, it's a well known action that any police officer will tell you all bad people use!

But this is a pointless debate because you're not going to convince me of the validity of your hyperbolic handwringing version of history and it's not even what the thread was supposed to be about..

Ah the personal attack, I wondered when you'd get round to it.

I wasn't trying to convince you of anything, you started arguing with me remember!

I've re read what I wrote, that was specific to the two points I had pointed out, ie te Lawrence and Mohammad Mosaddegh.

On both occasions neither of those foreign nations or their leaders wished us in any way harm or invasion but instead the British fucked them over royaly with a complete lack of ethics or morals!

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"So heartening to see that in our modern, secular, enlightened age, we still maintain order in the world by pointing our weapons at each other.

unfortunately no-one told the arabs, Russians or Chinese that..

In 2000 years of history we've been invaded by none of them!.

However we've invaded all three on several occasions.

After we massacred a hundred thousand of these moraless Chinese and took Hong kong as victors spoils.... Oh yes those foreigners and their lack of ethics.

I suggest before anyone else says we need to worry about being invaded, they pick up a fucking history book and see just who is the bad guy in the world with no morals or ethics!!

What's any of that got to do with "our modern, secular, enlightened age"? Oh and ask the Cornish about the north Africans."

how do you say it? .... oh yeah .... desperate

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"would you want the base?

there is only one place that would be fully "trident" ready down south and that would be plymouth... although portsmouth would be equipped enough to do any repairs ...

has anyone asked nicola how she would replace the 10,000 jobs that come with trident? "

11,000 jobs in total depend on the base. 6,700 [from Scotland’s Future, The Scottish Government, p. 483] people are directly employed by the Ministry of Defence and its contractors; with a further 4,500 [from EKOS report on economic contribution of the Royal Navy] provided through the supply chain.

However the SNP’s White Paper states that only 2,000 people would be employed by an independent Scotland’s Navy at Faslane [from Scotland’s Future, The Scottish Government, p. 239].

As for Nicola and the lost jobs? She neither knows not cares.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Sounds like a good idea to me. Although the idea of being attached to 3 x 3rd world countries doesnt appeal

actually youll find that Scotland would become one of the richest nations on earth in terms of GDP per person according to the OECD! but again, stronger together

They would be ranked the 14th richest based on GDP per person, placing them above the UK and france...."

actually i think you'll find thats is before the price of a barrel of oil dived.... from 120 per barrel to 60 dollars a barrel...

now.... if they had full fiscal autonomy they would about anywhere up to about 8.5 billion pound in a hole.... (that about half the figure spend on the scottish nhs)

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over a year ago

"would you want the base?

Yes. Plymouth has nuclear facilities and the town would welcome the work."

We already refit the trident boats and would welcome having them based here. Thousands of jobs would be secured and despite the hype its incredibly safe.

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Nope

Why not?

Because the sweaties need the jobs now the oils gone Tits up...And its bloody dangerous.

Gimp

What if the Scots vote the United Kingdom's nuclear deterrent out of Scotland at some point in the next 10 or 20 years, which is what seems likely to happen, what then?

How and why would they do that, They arnt independant

Did you not know the SNP want it out of there and that that one of the first things they were going to do if last years referendum had concluded with a "yes vote"?

And did you not know they're already planning another independence referendum to run within the next 5 years?

They want it out of there.. and if they get the independence they want it'll end up in England.. or Athena's house..

Where have you heard this about another independence referendum? there is no plans on another referendum.

Another referendum is never far from Nicola's mind.

The prospect of a Scottish referendum following an EU in/ out referendum in 2016 (as she said last night) is just another reason she wants the Tories to win."

Thats if the people want it there will be another referendum.

She wants the Tories to win ? how many times will she has to say it if labour agree to a deal by deal they can lock out David Cameron but Labour cant answer it

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Nope

Why not?

Because the sweaties need the jobs now the oils gone Tits up...And its bloody dangerous.

Gimp

What if the Scots vote the United Kingdom's nuclear deterrent out of Scotland at some point in the next 10 or 20 years, which is what seems likely to happen, what then?

How and why would they do that, They arnt independant

Did you not know the SNP want it out of there and that that one of the first things they were going to do if last years referendum had concluded with a "yes vote"?

And did you not know they're already planning another independence referendum to run within the next 5 years?

They want it out of there.. and if they get the independence they want it'll end up in England.. or Athena's house..

Where have you heard this about another independence referendum? there is no plans on another referendum.

Another referendum is never far from Nicola's mind.

The prospect of a Scottish referendum following an EU in/ out referendum in 2016 (as she said last night) is just another reason she wants the Tories to win.

Thats if the people want it there will be another referendum.

She wants the Tories to win ? how many times will she has to say it if labour agree to a deal by deal they can lock out David Cameron but Labour cant answer it"

She knows we won't agree to a deal.

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By *ood at oralMan
over a year ago

kirkcaldy

Snp supposedly want what's best for the Scottish people yet would quite happily discard 8000 jobs by ditching trident a joke party that are living in dream land

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over a year ago

"would you want the base?

there is only one place that would be fully "trident" ready down south and that would be plymouth... although portsmouth would be equipped enough to do any repairs ...

has anyone asked nicola how she would replace the 10,000 jobs that come with trident? "
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It's not the subs or repairs.

It's the storage of nuclear weapons.

Under current government regulations the transfer and storage has to be in a non populous area. That's why they panicked over Scottish independence.

There is no where in Britain than can fit the criteria, that's why they had a back up plan to go to France!.

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over a year ago

"Nope

Why not?

Because the sweaties need the jobs now the oils gone Tits up...And its bloody dangerous.

Gimp

What if the Scots vote the United Kingdom's nuclear deterrent out of Scotland at some point in the next 10 or 20 years, which is what seems likely to happen, what then?

How and why would they do that, They arnt independant

Did you not know the SNP want it out of there and that that one of the first things they were going to do if last years referendum had concluded with a "yes vote"?

And did you not know they're already planning another independence referendum to run within the next 5 years?

They want it out of there.. and if they get the independence they want it'll end up in England.. or Athena's house..

Where have you heard this about another independence referendum? there is no plans on another referendum."

Alex Salmond told me about it.. oh wait.. then he said keep hushed? Ah bollocks...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"would you want the base?

there is only one place that would be fully "trident" ready down south and that would be plymouth... although portsmouth would be equipped enough to do any repairs ...

has anyone asked nicola how she would replace the 10,000 jobs that come with trident? .

It's not the subs or repairs.

It's the storage of nuclear weapons.

Under current government regulations the transfer and storage has to be in a non populous area. That's why they panicked over Scottish independence.

There is no where in Britain than can fit the criteria, that's why they had a back up plan to go to France!."

Actually they were looking at Falmouth in Cornwall as an option should the subs be moved to Plymouth

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over a year ago

"would you want the base?

there is only one place that would be fully "trident" ready down south and that would be plymouth... although portsmouth would be equipped enough to do any repairs ...

has anyone asked nicola how she would replace the 10,000 jobs that come with trident? .

It's not the subs or repairs.

It's the storage of nuclear weapons.

Under current government regulations the transfer and storage has to be in a non populous area. That's why they panicked over Scottish independence.

There is no where in Britain than can fit the criteria, that's why they had a back up plan to go to France!.

Actually they were looking at Falmouth in Cornwall as an option should the subs be moved to Plymouth "
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Well if they go to Falmouth they'll break their own safety regulations.

Way to populated

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well we don't want the jocks. Bunch of scroungers"

hey nigel quite a lot of us jocks would love to be free of british rule and leave you wee nigellanders

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Well we don't want the jocks. Bunch of scroungers

hey nigel quite a lot of us jocks would love to be free of british rule and leave you wee nigellanders

But no quite enough

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"would you want the base?

there is only one place that would be fully "trident" ready down south and that would be plymouth... although portsmouth would be equipped enough to do any repairs ...

has anyone asked nicola how she would replace the 10,000 jobs that come with trident? .

It's not the subs or repairs.

It's the storage of nuclear weapons.

Under current government regulations the transfer and storage has to be in a non populous area. That's why they panicked over Scottish independence.

There is no where in Britain than can fit the criteria, that's why they had a back up plan to go to France!.

Actually they were looking at Falmouth in Cornwall as an option should the subs be moved to Plymouth .

Well if they go to Falmouth they'll break their own safety regulations.

Way to populated"

They would simply rewrite the regs.

The deterrent is too nessecary a thing to be lost mearly though red tape.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

I've no issue if they want to sail them up The Trent to us, they're safe as houses these submarines, they're like "Unsinkable" ships.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've no issue if they want to sail them up The Trent to us, they're safe as houses these submarines, they're like "Unsinkable" ships."

The Titanic you mean

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"would you want the base?

there is only one place that would be fully "trident" ready down south and that would be plymouth... although portsmouth would be equipped enough to do any repairs ...

has anyone asked nicola how she would replace the 10,000 jobs that come with trident? .

It's not the subs or repairs.

It's the storage of nuclear weapons.

Under current government regulations the transfer and storage has to be in a non populous area. That's why they panicked over Scottish independence.

There is no where in Britain than can fit the criteria, that's why they had a back up plan to go to France!.

Actually they were looking at Falmouth in Cornwall as an option should the subs be moved to Plymouth .

Well if they go to Falmouth they'll break their own safety regulations.

Way to populated

They would simply rewrite the regs.

The deterrent is too nessecary a thing to be lost mearly though red tape."
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They might do but I'd doubt it, the nuclear regulatory follow international rules not just our own.

There's been an increasing amount of accidents at the place they are now in the last 20 years, I think they had about 6 alone last year, although only small accidents there exactly we have the rules, because accidents happen, so to scrap rules like nobody with ten miles and no major populous within 30 would be madness!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why cant there be a UK wide referendum to decide if we want Scotland in the UK?

Because the number of british forces would be halved

I can understand why they want the independence. I was born and raised in Edinburgh but I didn't vote yes. We are stronger together.

I think it should stay where it is

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over a year ago

"would you want the base?

there is only one place that would be fully "trident" ready down south and that would be plymouth... although portsmouth would be equipped enough to do any repairs ...

has anyone asked nicola how she would replace the 10,000 jobs that come with trident? "
Nothing wrong with moving with your job,happens every day of the week

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

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"would you want the base?

there is only one place that would be fully "trident" ready down south and that would be plymouth... although portsmouth would be equipped enough to do any repairs ...

has anyone asked nicola how she would replace the 10,000 jobs that come with trident? Nothing wrong with moving with your job,happens every day of the week

Is that to form part of the SNP manifesto. 'Get on yer bike and find a new job'?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"would you want the base?

there is only one place that would be fully "trident" ready down south and that would be plymouth... although portsmouth would be equipped enough to do any repairs ...

has anyone asked nicola how she would replace the 10,000 jobs that come with trident? Nothing wrong with moving with your job,happens every day of the week

Is that to form part of the SNP manifesto. 'Get on yer bike and find a new job'?"
you might find that the majority working at the base are from England

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over a year ago

No-one would want it beside them. But it was convenient to stick it in Scotland, just as it was convenient to try out the Poll Tax there too.

Scotland are wanted in the union when something's bring foisted on us or when oil is found, but treated like second-class 'sweaties' and 'jocks' when we start to get uppity and have the temerity to voice an opinion.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"would you want the base?

there is only one place that would be fully "trident" ready down south and that would be plymouth... although portsmouth would be equipped enough to do any repairs ...

has anyone asked nicola how she would replace the 10,000 jobs that come with trident? Nothing wrong with moving with your job,happens every day of the week

Is that to form part of the SNP manifesto. 'Get on yer bike and find a new job'?you might find that the majority working at the base are from England

Only in the perverted minds of Nationalists, the BNP and UKIP does it matter a jot where a working man or woman comes from.

These are skilled jobs which Scotland cannot afford to lose.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"you might find that the majority working at the base are from England

if you are suggesting in your answer that the people will follow the jobs to englnad is going to have an affect in 2 ways...

in "nicola's" world of full fiscal autonomy... that 10,000 taxpayers not paying money into the scottish budget coffers... and bearing in mind there is already a big hole in here spending budget plans using independent numbers.. its money she can least afford to use....

and... you would crush the local ecomony in that part of town... the 10,000 people are still spending money in shops, which employ people.... who spend their money in shops, that employ people.....

but hey... its not your job that would be under threat.. if you don't care and it doesn't worry you.... right???

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Full fiscal autonomy is more like fool fiscal austerity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your arguing over something that unless the unlikely event of the green party being elected will never ever happen.

Even if they have to shoot sturgeon and every other snp member those nukes will never leave Scotland

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