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"I don't think we need to bomb Argentina they are doing quite a good job of messing up their own military. The bottom quite literally fell out of one of their own destroyers last year and their submarines can't submerge. All the sabre rattling by them is designed to mask the problems they are having at home. " do you remember a few years ago the royal navy had a top notch submarine , astute i think it was called , they managed to crash it into the isle of sky that will teach johnny foreigner not to mess with us | |||
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"I don't think we need to bomb Argentina they are doing quite a good job of messing up their own military. The bottom quite literally fell out of one of their own destroyers last year and their submarines can't submerge. All the sabre rattling by them is designed to mask the problems they are having at home. " that and they had one of their warships repo'd 2 years ago... they don't have the money for a war... which is why you see a lot of talk and sabre rattling | |||
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"I think that you may have misconstrued the meaning of rum bum" i dont know there mate , thought all sailors were given their daily tot of rum and bum and baccy and a bit of sodomy and the lash on sundays | |||
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"Point well made bomb the bastards" carpet bomb their carpets and then refuse to sell them new ones , that will have the buggers on their knees begging for surrender , or something else | |||
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"With very sore knees due to a national carpet shortage" absolutly , this is the way to keep johhny foreigner in his place , soon have the empire back on his feet ruling the planet ,today argintina tommorrow world domination | |||
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"I can understand Argentinas point I don't think the UK government would be too happy if a country like Russia was claiming the isle of man to be theirs " The falkland Islands have been ours before Argentina even existed. The have never belonged to Argentina. Christina Kurchner has pretty much bankrupted her country and destroyed the agricultural industry to look after her powerbase in the cities. Not much point bombing the Frey bentos plants as she banned beef exports, depleting the price of beef which screwed over the farmers and keeps the city folk happy. If you want to hurt her, blow up the shoe factories as she owns more pairs than imelda Marcos | |||
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" The falkland Islands have been ours before Argentina even existed. The have never belonged to Argentina. " Not true. Argentinians were the first to settle on the Islands, albeit for a relatively short time ( 5-7 years maybe) then left them. Followed sometime after by the British settling. One reason why the UK won't go to International Arbitration on the matter. | |||
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" The falkland Islands have been ours before Argentina even existed. The have never belonged to Argentina. Not true. Argentinians were the first to settle on the Islands, albeit for a relatively short time ( 5-7 years maybe) then left them. Followed sometime after by the British settling. One reason why the UK won't go to International Arbitration on the matter. " Sorry but the British had a whaling station or something similar before the Argentinians settled the islands... The islands were then abandoned and re colonised by the British.... | |||
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"Carpet bombing is the answer" As long as it doesn't cause piles
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"Carpet bombing is the answer As long as it doesn't cause piles
"What about piles of shags. ooops shagpiles. Acceptable? | |||
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"You have to take into account they bricked our top gear presenters n crew lol bring back nuclear weapons lol" Still no excuse to take yer temper out on yer own producer though is it? | |||
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"I like the idea of sending the scum there, we could treat it like a new Australa by the time we had if full of scum living off the dole the Argies wouldn't want it back..., new policy for UKip if the want to run with it. Mind you we have to get a few burger and pizza places set up first to give them something to eat." So everybody unemployed is scum, im impressed 
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"I like the idea of sending the scum there, we could treat it like a new Australa by the time we had if full of scum living off the dole the Argies wouldn't want it back..., new policy for UKip if the want to run with it. Mind you we have to get a few burger and pizza places set up first to give them something to eat." I thought the idea was to send the scum to Argentina... | |||
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"I like the idea of sending the scum there, we could treat it like a new Australa by the time we had if full of scum living off the dole the Argies wouldn't want it back..., new policy for UKip if the want to run with it. Mind you we have to get a few burger and pizza places set up first to give them something to eat. I thought the idea was to send the scum to Argentina..." We did, but the locals threw bricks at them and the scum panicked and left with their tails between their legs.. | |||
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"The population of the Falklands is made up of mainly British descent and Chilean workers. Neither of which would be in the slightest happy with Argentinian rule " I gather the natives of the USA are not always too pleased either. | |||
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"Aren't the Argentines being supplied+ with Fighter Planes & Bombers by the Russians?,and i think our government are still sending them money so if we do fight them over falklands again our troops wil be fighting against a better equipped army this time because this Government are dead set on trimming our Services to the bare minimum and it will be Terrtorial Army reservists fighting troops supplied by our government!. " the Argentines had much better equipment and a lot more of it during he previous conflict when we took Stanley we found tons and tons of stores and equipment waiting to be used against us .trouble was they were largley a conscripted army who were very poorly lead with a poor officer corp who ruled by bullying and fear rather than example and respect which is why when they came up agianst well trained well lead and commited troops they quickley folded and ran . | |||
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"I can understand Argentinas point I don't think the UK government would be too happy if a country like Russia was claiming the isle of man to be theirs " So called Argentinians are not indigenous to Argentina... They invaded the country. At the turn of the last century there were in the low tens of thousands of the indigenous people left, by the end of WW2 there were 2 left. During the war of ten thousand indigenous people disappeared. So the 'Argentinians' have no real claim to anything and should be in court over genocide.... So your argument is not really valid... | |||
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"I can understand Argentinas point I don't think the UK government would be too happy if a country like Russia was claiming the isle of man to be theirs So called Argentinians are not indigenous to Argentina... They invaded the country. At the turn of the last century there were in the low tens of thousands of the indigenous people left, by the end of WW2 there were 2 left. During the war of ten thousand indigenous people disappeared. So the 'Argentinians' have no real claim to anything and should be in court over genocide.... So your argument is not really valid..." LOL. One could also use your argument that as all of manking emanated from Africa, then the UK and everywhere else actually belongs to um Africa. Or somewhere in there. | |||
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"Lot of Italians moved to Argentina after WW11 That's how Veron got to play for Chelscum and Utd" Is that why he was always able to pasta his forwards. | |||
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"Really you're Gona talk about countries should be in court of genocide.....you heard about slavery and the colonizing of the Caribbean and American more natives and slaves died there than in the whole of ww2....over 300 million slaves alone....it was lead by the British....and ask the idians what happened in india if you talk about genocide then they would both be in court" What you are say is true.. And you would hope that the human race would learn from its mistakes... Sadly I don't think it will... However I was talking about the organised end of a race of people in the last 100 years... | |||
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"Really you're Gona talk about countries should be in court of genocide.....you heard about slavery and the colonizing of the Caribbean and American more natives and slaves died there than in the whole of ww2....over 300 million slaves alone....it was lead by the British....and ask the idians what happened in india if you talk about genocide then they would both be in court" I agreed with your sentiment but question your facts... Slavery was led by the Portuguese followed by the British. The death toll is questionable. Various sources quote up to10 million deaths and about 15 million slaves taken. Up to 4 million slaves are believe to have died on the forced march from the interior of Africa to the coast... Many of these slaves were caught by their enimies in inter tribal wars and were then sold on to Europeans as a way of disposal... Also please remember that the inhabitants of England were enslaved by the Romans (twice) and also the Vikings... The figures make for grim reading and do not lessen the horror experienced by the victims regardless of race, colour or sex... However the difference between an estimated 25 million slaves/deaths and 300 million cannot be ignored... | |||
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" I agreed with your sentiment but question your facts... Slavery was led by the Portuguese followed by the British. The death toll is questionable. Various sources quote up to10 million deaths and about 15 million slaves taken. Up to 4 million slaves are believe to have died on the forced march from the interior of Africa to the coast... Many of these slaves were caught by their enimies in inter tribal wars and were then sold on to Europeans as a way of disposal... Also please remember that the inhabitants of England were enslaved by the Romans (twice) and also the Vikings... The figures make for grim reading and do not lessen the horror experienced by the victims regardless of race, colour or sex... However the difference between an estimated 25 million slaves/deaths and 300 million cannot be ignored..." What about the ancient Egyptians then? Some sources would have it that they could only have built the Pyramids using slaves. Not unreasonable given all the tribal warfare there has been and still is. Didn't they precede the Portuguese and Brits? | |||
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"I don't think we need to bomb Argentina they are doing quite a good job of messing up their own military. The bottom quite literally fell out of one of their own destroyers last year and their submarines can't submerge. All the sabre rattling by them is designed to mask the problems they are having at home. do you remember a few years ago the royal navy had a top notch submarine , astute i think it was called , they managed to crash it into the isle of sky that will teach johnny foreigner not to mess with us "The reason Astute crashed during her trials was due to the out of date mapping of the area that had been put into her systems. Then there was the further damage caused by the lifeboat. | |||
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"It cant attack or engage everything south America or cuz the distance is too huge the only missles with that kind of range are nukes and it would take weeks for the ship itself to cover that distance all wars come down to money and it this case the UK would have to spend a lot more than Argentina just because of the location of the war " 
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"I can understand Argentinas point I don't think the UK government would be too happy if a country like Russia was claiming the isle of man to be theirs " You can understand Argentina's point of view? There they been that they have the right to a island which Britain has since before Argentina existed? | |||
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"The long range bombers the Russians are supplying are 40yr old technology, in military terms they are not so much obsolete as archaic. The Royal Navy has a type 45 destroyer stationed out there, it can track 1000+ Airborne threats & engage 300+ at 3 different layers of distance. For context, that means it could engage all the currently active military aircraft in South America including Cuba. The Royal Air Force has a flight of Typhoons on the islands that can engage hostile air threats within a 100 miles of the islands & none of the current Argentine aircraft are in anyway a match for them. Even the Swedish SAAB's they are trying to buy via Brazil are slower, have a lower operational ceiling and turn rate than the Typhoons. The Army has the Star Streak missile system that can engage and destroy modern aircraft,lumbering Cold War-era bombers would be like shooting ducks in a barrel. As for surface vessels, there is almost certain a hunter killer attack sub stooging around down there." You forgot to mention that they could send me 
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"I don't think we need to bomb Argentina they are doing quite a good job of messing up their own military. The bottom quite literally fell out of one of their own destroyers last year and their submarines can't submerge. All the sabre rattling by them is designed to mask the problems they are having at home. do you remember a few years ago the royal navy had a top notch submarine , astute i think it was called , they managed to crash it into the isle of sky that will teach johnny foreigner not to mess with us
The reason Astute crashed during her trials was due to the out of date mapping of the area that had been put into her systems. Then there was the further damage caused by the lifeboat. "out of date maps ? has the isle of sky moved to a different place sine the new maps were issued ? i still think it is a cunning plan to lul johnny foriegner into a false sence of security by crashing our boats into parts of the uk and claiming it must have been old maps , this will induce argintina to go to war with us on the premise that should we launch our massive fleet to give them a dashed good spanking most of it will have crashed before it gets past falmouth , therefore we will take them by surprise - which is always a good thing | |||
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" What about the ancient Egyptians then? Some sources would have it that they could only have built the Pyramids using slaves. Not unreasonable given all the tribal warfare there has been and still is. Didn't they precede the Portuguese and Brits? " It's now believed that the work involved in building the pyramids was too technical for slaves and that they were built by skilled labourers...  | |||
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" out of date maps ? has the isle of sky moved to a different place sine the new maps were issued ? i still think it is a cunning plan to lul johnny foriegner into a false sence of security by crashing our boats into parts of the uk and claiming it must have been old maps , this will induce argintina to go to war with us on the premise that should we launch our massive fleet to give them a dashed good spanking most of it will have crashed before it gets past falmouth , therefore we will take them by surprise - which is always a good thing "Early maps on GPS systems were transferred from paper maps. Some of the paper maps had not been updated in over a hundred years and could be a 100m out... That 100 meters can be the difference between safe passage and running a ground... | |||
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"out of date maps ? has the isle of sky moved to a different place sine the new maps were issued ? " Astute did not hit Skye it ran aground on a sandbar that was not on the maps - sandbars shift all the time and can appear and disappear over a matter of days especially in the storm seasons. Russian and US subs line up outside the Clyde to track subs exiting - especially a first of class. It is a game all navies play to hone their skills. It may be that she had her depth sonar off to remain stealthy to avoid the tail... only the full enquiry knows and that is not published. | |||
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" So called Argentinians are not indigenous to Argentina... They invaded the country. At the turn of the last century there were in the low tens of thousands of the indigenous people left, by the end of WW2 there were 2 left. During the war of ten thousand indigenous people disappeared. So the 'Argentinians' have no real claim to anything and should be in court over genocide.... So your argument is not really valid..." Sovereignty in general is a pretty ridiculous notion. You're saying that because the indigenous tribes of England were subject to genocide further back in history, our government somehow has more legitimacy? | |||
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" Sovereignty in general is a pretty ridiculous notion. " ...and then you have Gibraltar. Where Spain argues that it is wrong for a country to have a territory in another country.... and neatly ignores their claimed territories of Cueta, Mellila in Morocco, the plazas de soberanía islands off Morocco and Olivenza in Portugal. It's all a big kids game of arguing over marbles except people get killed. | |||
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"I don't think we need to bomb Argentina they are doing quite a good job of messing up their own military. The bottom quite literally fell out of one of their own destroyers last year and their submarines can't submerge. All the sabre rattling by them is designed to mask the problems they are having at home. do you remember a few years ago the royal navy had a top notch submarine , astute i think it was called , they managed to crash it into the isle of sky that will teach johnny foreigner not to mess with us "To be fair, it was a woman driver | |||
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"I can understand Argentinas point I don't think the UK government would be too happy if a country like Russia was claiming the isle of man to be theirs The falkland Islands have been ours before Argentina even existed. The have never belonged to Argentina. Christina Kurchner has pretty much bankrupted her country and destroyed the agricultural industry to look after her powerbase in the cities. Not much point bombing the Frey bentos plants as she banned beef exports, depleting the price of beef which screwed over the farmers and keeps the city folk happy. If you want to hurt her, blow up the shoe factories as she owns more pairs than imelda Marcos " No beef? Let them eat shoes. I like all eclairs especially those made with shoe pastry | |||
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"out of date maps ? has the isle of sky moved to a different place sine the new maps were issued ? Astute did not hit Skye it ran aground on a sandbar that was not on the maps - sandbars shift all the time and can appear and disappear over a matter of days especially in the storm seasons. Russian and US subs line up outside the Clyde to track subs exiting - especially a first of class. It is a game all navies play to hone their skills. It may be that she had her depth sonar off to remain stealthy to avoid the tail... only the full enquiry knows and that is not published." its all part of the uk's cunning plan to keep johhny foreigner on his toes , i remember a few years ago the navy crashed a ship into australia ,every so often its something that is done to keep the bosh guessing as to what we will do next | |||
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"I don't think we need to bomb Argentina they are doing quite a good job of messing up their own military. The bottom quite literally fell out of one of their own destroyers last year and their submarines can't submerge. All the sabre rattling by them is designed to mask the problems they are having at home. do you remember a few years ago the royal navy had a top notch submarine , astute i think it was called , they managed to crash it into the isle of sky that will teach johnny foreigner not to mess with us
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" So called Argentinians are not indigenous to Argentina... They invaded the country. At the turn of the last century there were in the low tens of thousands of the indigenous people left, by the end of WW2 there were 2 left. During the war of ten thousand indigenous people disappeared. So the 'Argentinians' have no real claim to anything and should be in court over genocide.... So your argument is not really valid... Sovereignty in general is a pretty ridiculous notion. You're saying that because the indigenous tribes of England were subject to genocide further back in history, our government somehow has more legitimacy?" I did not say that at all. What I said was that the population of this country has suffered at the hands of slavery, as have most countries at some point in time. Things happened in the past that we know are barbaric and horrific, however at the time were considered acceptable in a so called civilised society. The acts changed the face of the world for ever... So now you have British people living on islands thousands of miles from Britain. These people consider themselves British and wish to remain under British sovereignty. The Falklands are outside Argentinian waters, so they have no right to invade. Lets face it the only reason that the Argentinians are interested, is that they want the oil and it's an attempt by a failing government to hide it's economic collapse under a nationalist uprising... | |||
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" out of date maps ? has the isle of sky moved to a different place sine the new maps were issued ? i still think it is a cunning plan to lul johnny foriegner into a false sence of security by crashing our boats into parts of the uk and claiming it must have been old maps , this will induce argintina to go to war with us on the premise that should we launch our massive fleet to give them a dashed good spanking most of it will have crashed before it gets past falmouth , therefore we will take them by surprise - which is always a good thing
Early maps on GPS systems were transferred from paper maps. Some of the paper maps had not been updated in over a hundred years and could be a 100m out... That 100 meters can be the difference between safe passage and running a ground..."This. | |||
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"No, the Isle of Skye hasn't moved but what is on the sea bed has. It continually changes and is continually re-mapped. I don't know if it has been been privatised but the MOD used to have a hydrographics section responsible for this work. | |||
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" The point - that you missed - is that the vessel can engage the number of currently active military aircraft in South America, in other words far far more aircraft than the Argentines can put into the air. That Type 45 can easily engage the whole Argentine Air Force AT ONCE . " Just like we could engage Exocets in 82 !!! And we all know how reliable that was ! At least the last scrap we had with them paid off my mortgage | |||
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"Was Galtieri when we were there in 82, he got fucked good and proper ! "i always liked the name of their chappie who was in charge of their airforce basilio lami dozo the sort of name a villian in a sharpe novel should have | |||
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"Oh yeah fair enough Romans etc first.." What have the Romans done for us? | |||
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"It cant attack or engage everything south America or cuz the distance is too huge the only missles with that kind of range are nukes and it would take weeks for the ship itself to cover that distance all wars come down to money and it this case the UK would have to spend a lot more than Argentina just because of the location of the war
The point - that you missed - is that the vessel can engage the number of currently active military aircraft in South America, in other words far far more aircraft than the Argentines can put into the air. That Type 45 can easily engage the whole Argentine Air Force AT ONCE .
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"I don't think we need to bomb Argentina they are doing quite a good job of messing up their own military. The bottom quite literally fell out of one of their own destroyers last year and their submarines can't submerge. All the sabre rattling by them is designed to mask the problems they are having at home. " Which is exactly why the current situation is dangerous for the Falklands. The last time the Argies were trying to mask internal problems they invaded. I could see Kerchner trying again. | |||
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"The long range bombers the Russians are supplying are 40yr old technology, in military terms they are not so much obsolete as archaic. The Royal Navy has a type 45 destroyer stationed out there, it can track 1000+ Airborne threats & engage 300+ at 3 different layers of distance. For context, that means it could engage all the currently active military aircraft in South America including Cuba. The Royal Air Force has a flight of Typhoons on the islands that can engage hostile air threats within a 100 miles of the islands & none of the current Argentine aircraft are in anyway a match for them. Even the Swedish SAAB's they are trying to buy via Brazil are slower, have a lower operational ceiling and turn rate than the Typhoons. The Army has the Star Streak missile system that can engage and destroy modern aircraft,lumbering Cold War-era bombers would be like shooting ducks in a barrel. As for surface vessels, there is almost certain a hunter killer attack sub stooging around down there." Now that's what you call informative TV... | |||
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"I can understand Argentinas point I don't think the UK government would be too happy if a country like Russia was claiming the isle of man to be theirs " You will find that the islands were inhabited by British settlers long before the country that is Argentina ever actually existed. And as Argentina was also settled by an empire whose colonialists dis-enfranchised the native Indians, the claims of Argentina might be considered as hypocrisy. | |||
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" The point - that you missed - is that the vessel can engage the number of currently active military aircraft in South America, in other words far far more aircraft than the Argentines can put into the air. That Type 45 can easily engage the whole Argentine Air Force AT ONCE Just like we could engage Exocets in 82 !!! And we all know how reliable that was ! At least the last scrap we had with them paid off my mortgage "You will find that in1982, the only missile system we had that was capable of destroying Exocets was the sea-wolf. Sea-Wolf was only carried by the two type 22s, Broadsword and Brilliant. Time has moved on in a rapid way when it comes to military technology and despite what media and politicians say, our military is well equipped, albeit smaller. Argentina on the other hand has a military that hasn't progressed since 1982. As someone above points out and rightly so, we're so far ahead of the Argentinians that it would be utter madness to even try anything. In 1982, Britain was caught off-guard. Not the case now. | |||
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" The point - that you missed - is that the vessel can engage the number of currently active military aircraft in South America, in other words far far more aircraft than the Argentines can put into the air. That Type 45 can easily engage the whole Argentine Air Force AT ONCE Just like we could engage Exocets in 82 !!! And we all know how reliable that was ! At least the last scrap we had with them paid off my mortgage
You will find that in1982, the only missile system we had that was capable of destroying Exocets was the sea-wolf. Sea-Wolf was only carried by the two type 22s, Broadsword and Brilliant.
Time has moved on in a rapid way when it comes to military technology and despite what media and politicians say, our military is well equipped, albeit smaller. Argentina on the other hand has a military that hasn't progressed since 1982.
As someone above points out and rightly so, we're so far ahead of the Argentinians that it would be utter madness to even try anything. In 1982, Britain was caught off-guard. Not the case now.
"Britain was incompetently led in '82 the Argies had rattling the sabres two year prior and Callaghan sent the Navy down there to patrol. Thatcher government restricted citizenship rights for Falklanders and withdrew the only patrol ship, sending a clear message at least to the Argies that we couldn't give a toss. The only member of that government with any honour was Lord Carrington the foreign secretary who resigned. The victory was a combination of luck, good soldiers, bad Argentinian tactics and US help. The person who got the credit Thatcher should have resigned as PM it was all her fault. | |||
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" So called Argentinians are not indigenous to Argentina... They invaded the country. At the turn of the last century there were in the low tens of thousands of the indigenous people left, by the end of WW2 there were 2 left. During the war of ten thousand indigenous people disappeared. So the 'Argentinians' have no real claim to anything and should be in court over genocide.... So your argument is not really valid... Sovereignty in general is a pretty ridiculous notion. You're saying that because the indigenous tribes of England were subject to genocide further back in history, our government somehow has more legitimacy? I did not say that at all. What I said was that the population of this country has suffered at the hands of slavery, as have most countries at some point in time. Things happened in the past that we know are barbaric and horrific, however at the time were considered acceptable in a so called civilised society. The acts changed the face of the world for ever... So now you have British people living on islands thousands of miles from Britain. These people consider themselves British and wish to remain under British sovereignty. The Falklands are outside Argentinian waters, so they have no right to invade. Lets face it the only reason that the Argentinians are interested, is that they want the oil and it's an attempt by a failing government to hide it's economic collapse under a nationalist uprising..." Actually that's totally different to what you said. However I agree with you now. | |||
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" The point - that you missed - is that the vessel can engage the number of currently active military aircraft in South America, in other words far far more aircraft than the Argentines can put into the air. That Type 45 can easily engage the whole Argentine Air Force AT ONCE Just like we could engage Exocets in 82 !!! And we all know how reliable that was ! At least the last scrap we had with them paid off my mortgage
You will find that in1982, the only missile system we had that was capable of destroying Exocets was the sea-wolf. Sea-Wolf was only carried by the two type 22s, Broadsword and Brilliant.
Time has moved on in a rapid way when it comes to military technology and despite what media and politicians say, our military is well equipped, albeit smaller. Argentina on the other hand has a military that hasn't progressed since 1982.
As someone above points out and rightly so, we're so far ahead of the Argentinians that it would be utter madness to even try anything. In 1982, Britain was caught off-guard. Not the case now.
Britain was incompetently led in '82 the Argies had rattling the sabres two year prior and Callaghan sent the Navy down there to patrol.
Thatcher government restricted citizenship rights for Falklanders and withdrew the only patrol ship, sending a clear message at least to the Argies that we couldn't give a toss.
The only member of that government with any honour was Lord Carrington the foreign secretary who resigned. The victory was a combination of luck, good soldiers, bad Argentinian tactics and US help.
The person who got the credit Thatcher should have resigned as PM it was all her fault."The Argies may well have been rattling their sabres but if Britain had sent forces and nothing had happened then people would still have complained. Of course pre emptive action may have made a pointed reminder to the dictatorship or it may have antagonised them. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but we will never know either way. The help the US gave was not huge, in fact Chile may have given more(UKSF operating and destroying aircraft on the ground in Argentina) good luck was not present when all the follow up supplies, ammo, etc, inc 3 of 4 chinooks went to the bottom of the South Atlantic on-board Atlantic Conveyor. Aggressive military tactics, big decisions made at the right time(General Belgrano caused the Argies to keep their entire fleet within sight of their coastline this saving more lives, theirs and ours) & professional, dedicated soldiering freed the islanders from oppressive subjection to a corrupt dictatorship. | |||
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" The point - that you missed - is that the vessel can engage the number of currently active military aircraft in South America, in other words far far more aircraft than the Argentines can put into the air. That Type 45 can easily engage the whole Argentine Air Force AT ONCE Just like we could engage Exocets in 82 !!! And we all know how reliable that was ! At least the last scrap we had with them paid off my mortgage
You will find that in1982, the only missile system we had that was capable of destroying Exocets was the sea-wolf. Sea-Wolf was only carried by the two type 22s, Broadsword and Brilliant.
Time has moved on in a rapid way when it comes to military technology and despite what media and politicians say, our military is well equipped, albeit smaller. Argentina on the other hand has a military that hasn't progressed since 1982.
As someone above points out and rightly so, we're so far ahead of the Argentinians that it would be utter madness to even try anything. In 1982, Britain was caught off-guard. Not the case now.
Britain was incompetently led in '82 the Argies had rattling the sabres two year prior and Callaghan sent the Navy down there to patrol.
Thatcher government restricted citizenship rights for Falklanders and withdrew the only patrol ship, sending a clear message at least to the Argies that we couldn't give a toss.
The only member of that government with any honour was Lord Carrington the foreign secretary who resigned. The victory was a combination of luck, good soldiers, bad Argentinian tactics and US help.
The person who got the credit Thatcher should have resigned as PM it was all her fault.
The Argies may well have been rattling their sabres but if Britain had sent forces and nothing had happened then people would still have complained. Of course pre emptive action may have made a pointed reminder to the dictatorship or it may have antagonised them. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but we will never know either way.
The help the US gave was not huge, in fact Chile may have given more(UKSF operating and destroying aircraft on the ground in Argentina) good luck was not present when all the follow up supplies, ammo, etc, inc 3 of 4 chinooks went to the bottom of the South Atlantic on-board Atlantic Conveyor.
Aggressive military tactics, big decisions made at the right time(General Belgrano caused the Argies to keep their entire fleet within sight of their coastline this saving more lives, theirs and ours) & professional, dedicated soldiering freed the islanders from oppressive subjection to a corrupt dictatorship. "Not hindsight fact, prime minister Callaghan sent nuclear submarines down there, Thatcher more or less invited them in by her actions. USA supplied essential items to allow our Harriers and helicopters to land on the rugged terrain. Under treaty they were not obliged to help us at all. No SAS raid took place on Argentinian soil, that was a plan that was abandoned. | |||
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"The help the US gave was not huge, in fact Chile may have given more(UKSF operating and destroying aircraft on the ground in Argentina) good luck was not present when all the follow up supplies, ammo, etc, inc 3 of 4 chinooks went to the bottom of the South Atlantic on-board Atlantic Conveyor my brother was very lucky to get off the Atlantic conveyor the who;e thing was an enormas cock up with the exocet decoyed onto her he wouldnt talk about it for years and was very traumatised.did eventual open up at his triplets 21st birthday when he sat and told us all about his experiances well what he could remeber before comming around on HMS Uganda after being pulled from the north atlantic after some time thankfully he was wearing a full survival suite " You've been reading too many comics no Argentinian planes were destroyed on the ground, that plan never left the drawing board. | |||
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