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By *obbytupper OP   Man
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

This is outrageous! Read the full article from the link below, t doesn't just stop there.

A FINANCIALLY troubled NHS hospital is paying an interim medical director nearly £1,500 a day after paying the previous full-time post-holder £200,000 for a year in which he was absent from work.

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/general-news/cash-strapped-rotherham-trust-paying-1-500-a-day-to-interim-director-1-7192702

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

£1500 isn't high as a daily rate

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

is that the going rate for a dr? would you rather they be understaffed?

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By *obbytupper OP   Man
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley


"£1500 isn't high as a daily rate

"

But why are they paying that on top of paying the other guy £200,000 who hasn't worked is the question. Read the article View, he has been working elsewhere and has just taken a post in Devon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"£1500 isn't high as a daily rate

But why are they paying that on top of paying the other guy £200,000 who hasn't worked is the question. Read the article View, he has been working elsewhere and has just taken a post in Devon."

Why was he absent..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's not for a doctor on the ground its for a manager. And yes it's outrageous

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By *eshzMan
over a year ago

0151

Medical directors to be honest are more important than a CEO of a hospital and while £1500 sounds alot, remember they might only be employed for 3 days a week for 12 weeks... and in order to attract really good medical directors... you have to pay as they are in pretty secure positions in their own roles and to consider something that is not permanent...well carries a lot of risk.

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By *obbytupper OP   Man
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley


"£1500 isn't high as a daily rate

But why are they paying that on top of paying the other guy £200,000 who hasn't worked is the question. Read the article View, he has been working elsewhere and has just taken a post in Devon.

Why was he absent..?"

Exactly! The trust refuse to say.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"£1500 isn't high as a daily rate

But why are they paying that on top of paying the other guy £200,000 who hasn't worked is the question. Read the article View, he has been working elsewhere and has just taken a post in Devon."

I assume the other person is ill, the role is a critical one and there is no deputy so they have had to go external for someone who may be able to hit the ground running.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"£1500 isn't high as a daily rate

But why are they paying that on top of paying the other guy £200,000 who hasn't worked is the question. Read the article View, he has been working elsewhere and has just taken a post in Devon.

Why was he absent..?

Exactly! The trust refuse to say."

if it is an employment issue they are not at liberty to say. would you like your employer telling the papers about your employment.

why do people think we have the right to know everything?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good for the GP, they go to uni and work hard to get a job that pays well, nothing stopped any one of us from doing the same, no point moaning about what others get paid just because we couldn't be arsed to work hard and aim as high as them

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By *obbytupper OP   Man
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

I'm not complaining about what they're paid for doing the job, rather what they have been paid for not doing it.

This is public money.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"I'm not complaining about what they're paid for doing the job, rather what they have been paid for not doing it.

This is public money."

six months full pay, six months half pay

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

or whatever their contract says........

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By *ertiVogtsMan
over a year ago

Exeter


"I'm not complaining about what they're paid for doing the job, rather what they have been paid for not doing it.

This is public money."

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"I'm not complaining about what they're paid for doing the job, rather what they have been paid for not doing it.

This is public money."

its also employment law. the NHS is governed by the same employment laws as any other organisation. we dont know why he was being paid without attending...be it sickness or disciplinary action etc but as i say....its not our business.

There are means to reclaim any fraudulently claimed monies and i hope that if this is the case they will be carried out.

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington


"I'm not complaining about what they're paid for doing the job, rather what they have been paid for not doing it.

This is public money.

its also employment law. the NHS is governed by the same employment laws as any other organisation. we dont know why he was being paid without attending...be it sickness or disciplinary action etc but as i say....its not our business.

There are means to reclaim any fraudulently claimed monies and i hope that if this is the case they will be carried out."

its my money its my f***ing business!!!!!!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"I'm not complaining about what they're paid for doing the job, rather what they have been paid for not doing it.

This is public money.

its also employment law. the NHS is governed by the same employment laws as any other organisation. we dont know why he was being paid without attending...be it sickness or disciplinary action etc but as i say....its not our business.

There are means to reclaim any fraudulently claimed monies and i hope that if this is the case they will be carried out.

its my money its my f***ing business!!!!!! "

its not and it isnt

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"I'm not complaining about what they're paid for doing the job, rather what they have been paid for not doing it.

This is public money.

its also employment law. the NHS is governed by the same employment laws as any other organisation. we dont know why he was being paid without attending...be it sickness or disciplinary action etc but as i say....its not our business.

There are means to reclaim any fraudulently claimed monies and i hope that if this is the case they will be carried out.

its my money its my f***ing business!!!!!! "

so anyone in the NHS who is possibly off ill should have their medical records made public because it is public money......

or just the senior ones

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington


"I'm not complaining about what they're paid for doing the job, rather what they have been paid for not doing it.

This is public money.

its also employment law. the NHS is governed by the same employment laws as any other organisation. we dont know why he was being paid without attending...be it sickness or disciplinary action etc but as i say....its not our business.

There are means to reclaim any fraudulently claimed monies and i hope that if this is the case they will be carried out.

its my money its my f***ing business!!!!!!

so anyone in the NHS who is possibly off ill should have their medical records made public because it is public money......

or just the senior ones"

what are you talking about? The op said he was working somewhere else, so he's not sick is he?

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington


"I'm not complaining about what they're paid for doing the job, rather what they have been paid for not doing it.

This is public money.

its also employment law. the NHS is governed by the same employment laws as any other organisation. we dont know why he was being paid without attending...be it sickness or disciplinary action etc but as i say....its not our business.

There are means to reclaim any fraudulently claimed monies and i hope that if this is the case they will be carried out.

its my money its my f***ing business!!!!!!

its not and it isnt"

is it not my taxes? Its literally my money.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"I'm not complaining about what they're paid for doing the job, rather what they have been paid for not doing it.

This is public money.

its also employment law. the NHS is governed by the same employment laws as any other organisation. we dont know why he was being paid without attending...be it sickness or disciplinary action etc but as i say....its not our business.

There are means to reclaim any fraudulently claimed monies and i hope that if this is the case they will be carried out.

its my money its my f***ing business!!!!!!

so anyone in the NHS who is possibly off ill should have their medical records made public because it is public money......

or just the senior ones

what are you talking about? The op said he was working somewhere else, so he's not sick is he? "

I am sorry, I thought it said they had a replacement costing £1500 a day because the person in the role is absent from work........

sorry

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"I'm not complaining about what they're paid for doing the job, rather what they have been paid for not doing it.

This is public money.

its also employment law. the NHS is governed by the same employment laws as any other organisation. we dont know why he was being paid without attending...be it sickness or disciplinary action etc but as i say....its not our business.

There are means to reclaim any fraudulently claimed monies and i hope that if this is the case they will be carried out.

its my money its my f***ing business!!!!!!

its not and it isnt

is it not my taxes? Its literally my money. "

it stops being your money once it is taken from your wages. i think you will find the guy in question pays a fair wedge more than you in taxes also (unless you are also on £200kpa).

and it still doesn't make someones private employment details your property. you can strop like a toddler all you like but those are the facts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not just the nhs most local councils pay out very similar figures to their chief execs.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

so, after actually reading the article it states that the previous medical director was on sick pay up to November 2nd before starting a new role somewhere else on November 3rd.

it does state that he continued his work on the governing body of Erewash Clinical Commissioning Group in Derbyshire although it doesnt state if this was paid work and exactly how much work was involved other than attending meetings. It also says continued his role which means that his employers were aware of it as he would have been doing it whilst attending his work at the trust.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"so, after actually reading the article it states that the previous medical director was on sick pay up to November 2nd before starting a new role somewhere else on November 3rd.

it does state that he continued his work on the governing body of Erewash Clinical Commissioning Group in Derbyshire although it doesnt state if this was paid work and exactly how much work was involved other than attending meetings. It also says continued his role which means that his employers were aware of it as he would have been doing it whilst attending his work at the trust."

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"so, after actually reading the article it states that the previous medical director was on sick pay up to November 2nd before starting a new role somewhere else on November 3rd.

it does state that he continued his work on the governing body of Erewash Clinical Commissioning Group in Derbyshire although it doesnt state if this was paid work and exactly how much work was involved other than attending meetings. It also says continued his role which means that his employers were aware of it as he would have been doing it whilst attending his work at the trust.

"

facts are marvelous things

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"so, after actually reading the article it states that the previous medical director was on sick pay up to November 2nd before starting a new role somewhere else on November 3rd.

it does state that he continued his work on the governing body of Erewash Clinical Commissioning Group in Derbyshire although it doesnt state if this was paid work and exactly how much work was involved other than attending meetings. It also says continued his role which means that his employers were aware of it as he would have been doing it whilst attending his work at the trust.

facts are marvelous things "

and he was off sick and they paid a replacement £1500 a day.

and won't give the nature of his absence

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

He magical got better and found a new job in a day? Think that needs a coat of looking at.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"He magical got better and found a new job in a day? Think that needs a coat of looking at. "

no, he ended his employment one day and started another job the next. you never done that? you continue to accrue annual leave while on sick leave so it is feasible that he took that before the end of his employment too.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

until his final day, they won't have been allowed to backfill the role. An interim was found and a daily rate paid.

There could have been a compromise agreement in place for a variety of reasons.

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington


"He magical got better and found a new job in a day? Think that needs a coat of looking at.

no, he ended his employment one day and started another job the next. you never done that? you continue to accrue annual leave while on sick leave so it is feasible that he took that before the end of his employment too."

you just said he was on the sick on yhe second and started a new role the next day. He was still working while on sick pay. That needs looking at clearly.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"He magical got better and found a new job in a day? Think that needs a coat of looking at.

no, he ended his employment one day and started another job the next. you never done that? you continue to accrue annual leave while on sick leave so it is feasible that he took that before the end of his employment too.

you just said he was on the sick on yhe second and started a new role the next day. He was still working while on sick pay. That needs looking at clearly. "

thats what the article said, not me....i am surmising hence the term feasible. It is also feasible that he was on sick leave until the day his contract ended and got paid a wedge of annual leave in his final salary payment. Some people can be dismissed for medical inefficiency one day and start another job the next although if he was employed in a similar role elsewhere then i'd wager that is slightly less feasible.

even if it is investigated it's still not for public knowledge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He magical got better and found a new job in a day? Think that needs a coat of looking at.

no, he ended his employment one day and started another job the next. you never done that? you continue to accrue annual leave while on sick leave so it is feasible that he took that before the end of his employment too.

you just said he was on the sick on yhe second and started a new role the next day. He was still working while on sick pay. That needs looking at clearly.

thats what the article said, not me....i am surmising hence the term feasible. It is also feasible that he was on sick leave until the day his contract ended and got paid a wedge of annual leave in his final salary payment. Some people can be dismissed for medical inefficiency one day and start another job the next although if he was employed in a similar role elsewhere then i'd wager that is slightly less feasible.

even if it is investigated it's still not for public knowledge."

He could always try reading the article for himself and avoid jumping to sensationalist conclusions

crystal

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington


"He magical got better and found a new job in a day? Think that needs a coat of looking at.

no, he ended his employment one day and started another job the next. you never done that? you continue to accrue annual leave while on sick leave so it is feasible that he took that before the end of his employment too.

you just said he was on the sick on yhe second and started a new role the next day. He was still working while on sick pay. That needs looking at clearly.

thats what the article said, not me....i am surmising hence the term feasible. It is also feasible that he was on sick leave until the day his contract ended and got paid a wedge of annual leave in his final salary payment. Some people can be dismissed for medical inefficiency one day and start another job the next although if he was employed in a similar role elsewhere then i'd wager that is slightly less feasible.

even if it is investigated it's still not for public knowledge."

you dont think some one working else where when on the sick in the nhs shouldnt be public knowledge?

He's either sick or not.

I dont know why this happened in this case but I do knowfor forty years dodgy cops, judges, civil servants and d.j's where put on the sick. If he's been suspended why not say so?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Supply and demand? Would you rather not be treated?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"He magical got better and found a new job in a day? Think that needs a coat of looking at.

no, he ended his employment one day and started another job the next. you never done that? you continue to accrue annual leave while on sick leave so it is feasible that he took that before the end of his employment too.

you just said he was on the sick on yhe second and started a new role the next day. He was still working while on sick pay. That needs looking at clearly.

thats what the article said, not me....i am surmising hence the term feasible. It is also feasible that he was on sick leave until the day his contract ended and got paid a wedge of annual leave in his final salary payment. Some people can be dismissed for medical inefficiency one day and start another job the next although if he was employed in a similar role elsewhere then i'd wager that is slightly less feasible.

even if it is investigated it's still not for public knowledge.

you dont think some one working else where when on the sick in the nhs shouldnt be public knowledge?

He's either sick or not.

I dont know why this happened in this case but I do knowfor forty years dodgy cops, judges, civil servants and d.j's where put on the sick. If he's been suspended why not say so?

"

it is public knowledge. The article states that he continued his work at the governing body of Erewash Clinical Commissioning Group in Derbyshire, it just doesn't say what that work entails other than attending meetings.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

because if both parties agreed that he leave with a compromise agreement in place, neither parties can give the details

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Telling people its none of there business when somebody on £200,000 a year on tax payers money while working somewhere else

is appalling. You should be ashamed of your self. "

But they're right, it's none of your business.

If you wish it to be YOUR business then get a job in the medical profession, work your way up the rungs of the ladder and get a job where it's ACTUALLY your business. Go on, go after the good job. Why not? Bet it's a decent salary and worth it.

Because it's not your money and it's not your business.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"so, after actually reading the article it states that the previous medical director was on sick pay up to November 2nd before starting a new role somewhere else on November 3rd.

it does state that he continued his work on the governing body of Erewash Clinical Commissioning Group in Derbyshire although it doesnt state if this was paid work and exactly how much work was involved other than attending meetings. It also says continued his role which means that his employers were aware of it as he would have been doing it whilst attending his work at the trust.

facts are marvelous things

and he was off sick and they paid a replacement £1500 a day.

and won't give the nature of his absence"

If they have the nature of his absence they would then be paying a huge amount more to him as he sued the living shit out of them.

Would you be happy if your employer told everyone why you were off sick?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He magical got better and found a new job in a day? Think that needs a coat of looking at.

no, he ended his employment one day and started another job the next. you never done that? you continue to accrue annual leave while on sick leave so it is feasible that he took that before the end of his employment too.

you just said he was on the sick on yhe second and started a new role the next day. He was still working while on sick pay. That needs looking at clearly.

thats what the article said, not me....i am surmising hence the term feasible. It is also feasible that he was on sick leave until the day his contract ended and got paid a wedge of annual leave in his final salary payment. Some people can be dismissed for medical inefficiency one day and start another job the next although if he was employed in a similar role elsewhere then i'd wager that is slightly less feasible.

even if it is investigated it's still not for public knowledge.

you dont think some one working else where when on the sick in the nhs shouldnt be public knowledge?

He's either sick or not.

I dont know why this happened in this case but I do knowfor forty years dodgy cops, judges, civil servants and d.j's where put on the sick. If he's been suspended why not say so?

"

What if he's sick but capable of restricted duties?

Ie broken arm can't work on patients but can attend meetings?

Or maybe a HIV scare after a needle prick from a HIV positive patient?

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"so, after actually reading the article it states that the previous medical director was on sick pay up to November 2nd before starting a new role somewhere else on November 3rd.

it does state that he continued his work on the governing body of Erewash Clinical Commissioning Group in Derbyshire although it doesnt state if this was paid work and exactly how much work was involved other than attending meetings. It also says continued his role which means that his employers were aware of it as he would have been doing it whilst attending his work at the trust.

facts are marvelous things

and he was off sick and they paid a replacement £1500 a day.

and won't give the nature of his absence

If they have the nature of his absence they would then be paying a huge amount more to him as he sued the living shit out of them.

Would you be happy if your employer told everyone why you were off sick?

"

No... I never suggested that they should.

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By *mnipotent_BehemothMan
over a year ago

near Merry Hill shopping centre

With Directors at that kind of salary they are outside the rules of agenda for change that governs lower mortals, so it's less cut and dried and more subject to the agreements made in the contract.

It is a little gaulling as a lower mortal that now we are stopped money for being sick even when work has been done, and every act over pay is to screw a bit more out of the plebs at the coal face.

let's hope that the system works and when audited the Trust has acted in line with it's financial governance guidelines, there are a great deal of checks and balances over the system, today's headlines are tomorrows chip papers and the press/politicians love to bash the NHS as a soft target with little knowledge how it works, and knowing that a Trust won't bite back.

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