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"Thanks OP for highlighting how big bosses want Tory government I guess the working men and women of Britain should vote Labour then - as when did big business ever give a damn about the working man?" The point is that these are the people who actually take risks with their own money to create new and/or expand their businesses and as a consequence create meaningful jobs. Like it or not, a country needs a big private sector workforce because quite simply we can't have everyone working for the State. You may not like business leaders, but why would you pour scorn on what these job creators say they need to create more jobs? | |||
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"The point is that these are the people who actually take risks with their own money to create new and/or expand their businesses and as a consequence create meaningful jobs. Like it or not, a country needs a big private sector workforce because quite simply we can't have everyone working for the State. You may not like business leaders, but why would you pour scorn on what these job creators say they need to create more jobs? " Please name some of these big business leaders that risk their own money that support the Tories... I think if you do a little checking you will find the vast majority of them are executive directors of public companies who owe their positions to the block voting of financial institutions that use our money to play roulette with the worlds economy and give their mates multi million pound a year jobs! | |||
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"100 big business leaders back the coalition economic plan and warn against any change of economic policy. Rachel Reeves stumbles and fumbles her way around the headline as many of the signatories are former Labour supporters. "100 business leaders. Labour threatens Britains economy."" . Your still thinking with flawed ideology. Business leaders only legal requirement is to do the best for their shareholders... That's their legal requirement, not the workers, not infrastructure, not the people, why an earth would anyone want to listen to to 100 people that legally only have the interests of shareholders at heart, that's madness. These dinosaur ideologies you hold dear are rapidly eroding, more people now care about people thankfully and the younger generation are definitely taking up the sustainability of the eco system more as a priority than money!. Your 20th century idea that anything is great providing its massively profitable has been seen through, time to step a side and let the next lot try to save you from yourself | |||
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"100 big business leaders back the coalition economic plan and warn against any change of economic policy. Rachel Reeves stumbles and fumbles her way around the headline as many of the signatories are former Labour supporters. "100 business leaders. Labour threatens Britains economy." What a load of pony !!! Fat cats trying to get fatter with the Eton boys club millionaires party aka The Tories !! Wake up Britain Cameron and his cronies dont give a flying toss about the general public "Who employs you? Presumably you work for someone? Does that person/company/entity thrive on making a loss just to keep you in a job? | |||
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"100 big business leaders back the coalition economic plan and warn against any change of economic policy. Rachel Reeves stumbles and fumbles her way around the headline as many of the signatories are former Labour supporters. "100 business leaders. Labour threatens Britains economy."" Some people are easily bought | |||
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Who employs you? Presumably you work for someone? Does that person/company/entity thrive on making a loss just to keep you in a job?
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"Thanks OP for highlighting how big bosses want Tory government I guess the working men and women of Britain should vote Labour then - as when did big business ever give a damn about the working man? The point is that these are the people who actually take risks with their own money to create new and/or expand their businesses and as a consequence create meaningful jobs. Like it or not, a country needs a big private sector workforce because quite simply we can't have everyone working for the State. You may not like business leaders, but why would you pour scorn on what these job creators say they need to create more jobs? " To true I work for a luxury boat building firm cheapest boat 500k dearest 20million + ,they are the second biggest employer next to the dockyard in our city and expanding. We need a strong private sector ,yes they get richer beyond our dreams but they 're risking millions in doing so. | |||
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"100 big business leaders back the coalition economic plan and warn against any change of economic policy. Rachel Reeves stumbles and fumbles her way around the headline as many of the signatories are former Labour supporters. "100 business leaders. Labour threatens Britains economy.". Your still thinking with flawed ideology. Business leaders only legal requirement is to do the best for their shareholders... That's their legal requirement, not the workers, not infrastructure, not the people, why an earth would anyone want to listen to to 100 people that legally only have the interests of shareholders at heart, that's madness. These dinosaur ideologies you hold dear are rapidly eroding, more people now care about people thankfully and the younger generation are definitely taking up the sustainability of the eco system more as a priority than money!. Your 20th century idea that anything is great providing its massively profitable has been seen through, time to step a side and let the next lot try to save you from yourself" I don't think, I do... As for your Green agenda - come on, get real. It is extremist poppycock and has the support of virtually no-one outside of internet forums. A green, caring, sharing world is a great fantasy that can never be realised because it flies against the very genetic make up of the human race. Get the world on board and it may have some credence but installing a green agenda in the UK alone will set us back 100 years and virtually all big business would exit. Who in their right mind can envisage a society where "meaningful work becomes less important."? Fantasy. "Completely open borders."? Fantasy. "Social housing for all."? Fantasy. As for more and more people jumping on to the bandwagon?..... Out of every 100 people - 95 would not vote Green (BBC poll). I would say that you have a minority view no matter how loud you shout on these forums and if I hold a "flawed" view presumably so do the other 95%? | |||
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"100 big business leaders back the coalition economic plan and warn against any change of economic policy. Rachel Reeves stumbles and fumbles her way around the headline as many of the signatories are former Labour supporters. "100 business leaders. Labour threatens Britains economy." What a load of pony !!! Fat cats trying to get fatter with the Eton boys club millionaires party aka The Tories !! Wake up Britain Cameron and his cronies dont give a flying toss about the general public
Who employs you? Presumably you work for someone? Does that person/company/entity thrive on making a loss just to keep you in a job?
No i work in public sector that Cameron is destroying privatising "Why should the taxpayer fund a bloated and inefficient public sector? Privatisation brings efficiences and reduces waste. | |||
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Who employs you? Presumably you work for someone? Does that person/company/entity thrive on making a loss just to keep you in a job?
No i work in public sector that Cameron is destroying privatising
Why should the taxpayer fund a bloated and inefficient public sector? Privatisation brings efficiences and reduces waste.
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"100 big business leaders back the coalition economic plan and warn against any change of economic policy. Rachel Reeves stumbles and fumbles her way around the headline as many of the signatories are former Labour supporters. "100 business leaders. Labour threatens Britains economy.". Your still thinking with flawed ideology. Business leaders only legal requirement is to do the best for their shareholders... That's their legal requirement, not the workers, not infrastructure, not the people, why an earth would anyone want to listen to to 100 people that legally only have the interests of shareholders at heart, that's madness. These dinosaur ideologies you hold dear are rapidly eroding, more people now care about people thankfully and the younger generation are definitely taking up the sustainability of the eco system more as a priority than money!. Your 20th century idea that anything is great providing its massively profitable has been seen through, time to step a side and let the next lot try to save you from yourself I don't think, I do... As for your Green agenda - come on, get real. It is extremist poppycock and has the support of virtually no-one outside of internet forums. A green, caring, sharing world is a great fantasy that can never be realised because it flies against the very genetic make up of the human race. Get the world on board and it may have some credence but installing a green agenda in the UK alone will set us back 100 years and virtually all big business would exit. Who in their right mind can envisage a society where "meaningful work becomes less important."? Fantasy. "Completely open borders."? Fantasy. "Social housing for all."? Fantasy. As for more and more people jumping on to the bandwagon?..... Out of every 100 people - 95 would not vote Green (BBC poll). I would say that you have a minority view no matter how loud you shout on these forums and if I hold a "flawed" view presumably so do the other 95%? " . A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.  | |||
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"100 big business leaders back the coalition economic plan and warn against any change of economic policy. Rachel Reeves stumbles and fumbles her way around the headline as many of the signatories are former Labour supporters. "100 business leaders. Labour threatens Britains economy." What a load of pony !!! Fat cats trying to get fatter with the Eton boys club millionaires party aka The Tories !! Wake up Britain Cameron and his cronies dont give a flying toss about the general public
Who employs you? Presumably you work for someone? Does that person/company/entity thrive on making a loss just to keep you in a job?
No i work in public sector that Cameron is destroying privatising
Why should the taxpayer fund a bloated and inefficient public sector? Privatisation brings efficiences and reduces waste.
Spoken like a true Tory x
Hope u dont need emergency care or ure house is burgled or catches fire soon "So the Police, A&E and Fire Brigade is being privatised? Wow. I must have missed that. | |||
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"Thanks OP for highlighting how big bosses want Tory government I guess the working men and women of Britain should vote Labour then - as when did big business ever give a damn about the working man?" I work for the 3rd biggest company in the sector, have been there 4 years now. Had about £400 a month wage increase. I put 6% into the pension scheme and end up with 21% after all the perks. Get sent away expenses paid for training - Holland this month And have just applied yesterday to take on a funded engineering apprenticeship. Depends on which company you work for. | |||
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Who employs you? Presumably you work for someone? Does that person/company/entity thrive on making a loss just to keep you in a job?
No i work in public sector that Cameron is destroying privatising
Why should the taxpayer fund a bloated and inefficient public sector? Privatisation brings efficiences and reduces waste.
Spoken like a true Tory x
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So the Police, A&E and Fire Brigade is being privatised? Wow. I must have missed that.
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"If a similar announcement was made by one union leader about Labour this thread would solely be about them being in the pockets of the union. Yes, it's a good news story for the Conservatives. Yes, we need a private sector. However, I also believe we need a public and voluntary sector. MPs work in the public sector after all. " Yes we do need a public sector but not one that is big and burdonsome. Trimmed, lean and healthy. | |||
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"If a similar announcement was made by one union leader about Labour this thread would solely be about them being in the pockets of the union. Yes, it's a good news story for the Conservatives. Yes, we need a private sector. However, I also believe we need a public and voluntary sector. MPs work in the public sector after all. Yes we do need a public sector but not one that is big and burdonsome. Trimmed, lean and healthy." . Your living in cloud cuckoo land! Were a consumer economy thanks to years of mostly Tory policies. Were a nation of coffee shops, hairdressers, nail salons, charity shops and supermarkets! If you take the public sector away most shops (the service sector employs 75% of people in Britain will close or struggle). Trimming public sector could have been done before 1985 maybe! Most of the big company's in Britain are here to hoover up the big money the government spend.... Why an earth do you think the Tories keep up the big spending! Growth doesn't pay for itself, it never has and never will, but it's necessary to grow population to grow the money supply, more means you stand a chance of paying back the interest on the principle that you originally set out with, it's also an addiction like heroin to 21st century capitalism. Money doesn't grow on trees, it's created through debt that's the system whether you like it or not. The system is fundamentally fucked but in your crazy logic you think you can have more money without more debt, your trapped between 19th century working principles (and there noble ones) and 21st century economics | |||
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"100 big business leaders back the coalition economic plan and warn against any change of economic policy. Rachel Reeves stumbles and fumbles her way around the headline as many of the signatories are former Labour supporters. "100 business leaders. Labour threatens Britains economy." What a load of pony !!! Fat cats trying to get fatter with the Eton boys club millionaires party aka The Tories !! Wake up Britain Cameron and his cronies dont give a flying toss about the general public
Who employs you? Presumably you work for someone? Does that person/company/entity thrive on making a loss just to keep you in a job?
No i work in public sector that Cameron is destroying privatising
Why should the taxpayer fund a bloated and inefficient public sector? Privatisation brings efficiences and reduces waste.
Spoken like a true Tory x
Hope u dont need emergency care or ure house is burgled or catches fire soon
So the Police, A&E and Fire Brigade is being privatised? Wow. I must have missed that."Did you miss the bit where the Tories are destroying these? | |||
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"100 big business leaders back the coalition economic plan and warn against any change of economic policy. Rachel Reeves stumbles and fumbles her way around the headline as many of the signatories are former Labour supporters. "100 business leaders. Labour threatens Britains economy." What a load of pony !!! Fat cats trying to get fatter with the Eton boys club millionaires party aka The Tories !! Wake up Britain Cameron and his cronies dont give a flying toss about the general public
Who employs you? Presumably you work for someone? Does that person/company/entity thrive on making a loss just to keep you in a job?
No i work in public sector that Cameron is destroying privatising
Why should the taxpayer fund a bloated and inefficient public sector? Privatisation brings efficiences and reduces waste.
Spoken like a true Tory x
Hope u dont need emergency care or ure house is burgled or catches fire soon
So the Police, A&E and Fire Brigade is being privatised? Wow. I must have missed that.
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"Hi I'm putting my name in the hat to become a dictator Please vote for me I will give everyone a free crunchie on a Friday !! " Make it an aero mint uve got my vote  | |||
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"Everyone vote labour nd we see a change for the everyday worker. Not the rich get richer nd poorer get worse off. Heard enough ov tories false promises. The country is flooded with immigrants. Im not sayin stop it but at least control it rant over..........."  this | |||
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"Ok With negotiation skills like that would you like to be chancellor ? " Cant mess it up anymore than Osbourne ! | |||
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"Cool Who is violent on here need a minister of defence ??? Labour tried to balls it up with immigration and everything all politicians are w*****rs " I concur | |||
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"Everyone vote labour nd we see a change for the everyday worker. Not the rich get richer nd poorer get worse off. Heard enough ov tories false promises. The country is flooded with immigrants. Im not sayin stop it but at least control it rant over..........." But wasn't uncontrolled immigration a Labour policy ? I am in no way saying I object to immigration but you can't ask people to vote labour and then complain about immigration in the same sentence. Surely labour created the problem you're moaning about. | |||
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"Thanks OP for highlighting how big bosses want Tory government I guess the working men and women of Britain should vote Labour then - as when did big business ever give a damn about the working man? The point is that these are the people who actually take risks with their own money to create new and/or expand their businesses and as a consequence create meaningful jobs. Like it or not, a country needs a big private sector workforce because quite simply we can't have everyone working for the State. You may not like business leaders, but why would you pour scorn on what these job creators say they need to create more jobs? " Absolute bollocks. They are not job or wealth creators, they are wealth extractors. If the wages they pay are so low people need tax credits then who is the scrounger? What kinds of jobs are they creating? Crap ones with crap wages where you can be dismissed for anything in first few years. | |||
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"Thanks OP for highlighting how big bosses want Tory government I guess the working men and women of Britain should vote Labour then - as when did big business ever give a damn about the working man? The point is that these are the people who actually take risks with their own money to create new and/or expand their businesses and as a consequence create meaningful jobs. Like it or not, a country needs a big private sector workforce because quite simply we can't have everyone working for the State. You may not like business leaders, but why would you pour scorn on what these job creators say they need to create more jobs? Absolute bollocks. They are not job or wealth creators, they are wealth extractors. If the wages they pay are so low people need tax credits then who is the scrounger? What kinds of jobs are they creating? Crap ones with crap wages where you can be dismissed for anything in first few years." So you would rather we not have these 500,000 directly employed jobs and have these 100 business leaders and their companies fuck off and set up shop somewhere else? That would deliver a huge blow to the UK economy and send it massively into recession. Not clever. | |||
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"So you would rather we not have these 500,000 directly employed jobs and have these 100 business leaders and their companies fuck off and set up shop somewhere else? That would deliver a huge blow to the UK economy and send it massively into recession. Not clever." What jobs are they? Do they export a lot of our products or are they asda and poundland what imports lots of cheap crap and exploits job schemes where the tax payer pays employees wages? it would make a difference. | |||
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"Thanks OP for highlighting how big bosses want Tory government I guess the working men and women of Britain should vote Labour then - as when did big business ever give a damn about the working man? The point is that these are the people who actually take risks with their own money to create new and/or expand their businesses and as a consequence create meaningful jobs. Like it or not, a country needs a big private sector workforce because quite simply we can't have everyone working for the State. You may not like business leaders, but why would you pour scorn on what these job creators say they need to create more jobs? Absolute bollocks. They are not job or wealth creators, they are wealth extractors. If the wages they pay are so low people need tax credits then who is the scrounger? What kinds of jobs are they creating? Crap ones with crap wages where you can be dismissed for anything in first few years. So you would rather we not have these 500,000 directly employed jobs and have these 100 business leaders and their companies fuck off and set up shop somewhere else? That would deliver a huge blow to the UK economy and send it massively into recession. Not clever." Where are they going to fuck off to? They need a market in which to operate. | |||
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"Thanks OP for highlighting how big bosses want Tory government I guess the working men and women of Britain should vote Labour then - as when did big business ever give a damn about the working man? The point is that these are the people who actually take risks with their own money to create new and/or expand their businesses and as a consequence create meaningful jobs. Like it or not, a country needs a big private sector workforce because quite simply we can't have everyone working for the State. You may not like business leaders, but why would you pour scorn on what these job creators say they need to create more jobs? Absolute bollocks. They are not job or wealth creators, they are wealth extractors. If the wages they pay are so low people need tax credits then who is the scrounger? What kinds of jobs are they creating? Crap ones with crap wages where you can be dismissed for anything in first few years. So you would rather we not have these 500,000 directly employed jobs and have these 100 business leaders and their companies fuck off and set up shop somewhere else? That would deliver a huge blow to the UK economy and send it massively into recession. Not clever. Where are they going to fuck off to? They need a market in which to operate. " Precisely. They wouldn't and they won't. Just scaremongering | |||
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"Anybody else think their should be two separate ways of defining the economy? One what the government controls and makes profit from, along with their buddies. And then another word to describe the majority of everybody elses finances? " There are two separate words for defining those people" Bourgeoisie and proletariat. | |||
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"Peter Jukes is going through the list of these 100 business leaders who support the Tories. Guess what? Five out of the first ten have cut deals with HMRC over tax avoidance. Don't forget though, we're all in it together! "Thanks for that... Just peeked at his twitter feed. It's a shame he stopped at the first 10..! https://twitter.com/peterjukes | |||
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"More than thirty of them have also donated money to the Tory party. Just fancy that!" Quel surprise! | |||
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"More than thirty of them have also donated money to the Tory party. Just fancy that!" But surely that's what you do if you think that's the party that is best for you. It would be bizarre if they put their money anywhere else. Obviously they would invest in something that would do them good. If they thought labour was good for their business I'm sure they would donate to them. | |||
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"More than thirty of them have also donated money to the Tory party. Just fancy that! But surely that's what you do if you think that's the party that is best for you. It would be bizarre if they put their money anywhere else. Obviously they would invest in something that would do them good. If they thought labour was good for their business I'm sure they would donate to them. " Of course. However, they are presenting themselves as impartial observers with the good of the country behind their pronouncement, rather than themselves. Which makes them duplicitous and deceitful. | |||
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"More than thirty of them have also donated money to the Tory party. Just fancy that! But surely that's what you do if you think that's the party that is best for you. It would be bizarre if they put their money anywhere else. Obviously they would invest in something that would do them good. If they thought labour was good for their business I'm sure they would donate to them. Of course. However, they are presenting themselves as impartial observers with the good of the country behind their pronouncement, rather than themselves. Which makes them duplicitous and deceitful." It's not deceitful if everyone knows what your doing and political donations are there for everyone to see. | |||
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"The point is that these are the people who actually take risks with their own money to create new and/or expand their businesses and as a consequence create meaningful jobs. Like it or not, a country needs a big private sector workforce because quite simply we can't have everyone working for the State. You may not like business leaders, but why would you pour scorn on what these job creators say they need to create more jobs? Please name some of these big business leaders that risk their own money that support the Tories... I think if you do a little checking you will find the vast majority of them are executive directors of public companies who owe their positions to the block voting of financial institutions that use our money to play roulette with the worlds economy and give their mates multi million pound a year jobs!" OP, I am still waiting for an answer... You have managed to post 7 times since I asked you to name some of these big business people that risk their own money to provide jobs for others and you seem to be ignoring my post... Why? Is it because you cant name any? | |||
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"More than thirty of them have also donated money to the Tory party. Just fancy that! But surely that's what you do if you think that's the party that is best for you. It would be bizarre if they put their money anywhere else. Obviously they would invest in something that would do them good. If they thought labour was good for their business I'm sure they would donate to them. Of course. However, they are presenting themselves as impartial observers with the good of the country behind their pronouncement, rather than themselves. Which makes them duplicitous and deceitful. It's not deceitful if everyone knows what your doing and political donations are there for everyone to see. " Yes indeed! Which is why I suppose they didn't make it clear at all, and instead it was down to people who aren't blinded by the headlines to dig up the truth about their deception and expose it. By the sounds of things, you completely approve of deception in the name of political propaganda and misleading the eloctorate. What a curious thing to support! | |||
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"More than thirty of them have also donated money to the Tory party. Just fancy that! But surely that's what you do if you think that's the party that is best for you. It would be bizarre if they put their money anywhere else. Obviously they would invest in something that would do them good. If they thought labour was good for their business I'm sure they would donate to them. Of course. However, they are presenting themselves as impartial observers with the good of the country behind their pronouncement, rather than themselves. Which makes them duplicitous and deceitful. It's not deceitful if everyone knows what your doing and political donations are there for everyone to see. Yes indeed! Which is why I suppose they didn't make it clear at all, and instead it was down to people who aren't blinded by the headlines to dig up the truth about their deception and expose it. By the sounds of things, you completely approve of deception in the name of political propaganda and misleading the eloctorate. What a curious thing to support! "What a curious thin to presume. | |||
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"More than thirty of them have also donated money to the Tory party. Just fancy that! But surely that's what you do if you think that's the party that is best for you. It would be bizarre if they put their money anywhere else. Obviously they would invest in something that would do them good. If they thought labour was good for their business I'm sure they would donate to them. Of course. However, they are presenting themselves as impartial observers with the good of the country behind their pronouncement, rather than themselves. Which makes them duplicitous and deceitful. It's not deceitful if everyone knows what your doing and political donations are there for everyone to see. Yes indeed! Which is why I suppose they didn't make it clear at all, and instead it was down to people who aren't blinded by the headlines to dig up the truth about their deception and expose it. By the sounds of things, you completely approve of deception in the name of political propaganda and misleading the eloctorate. What a curious thing to support!
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"What a cop out. If your political convictions are such that you find yourself supporting liars and crooks, you may as well be honest about it. To yourself, if no-one else. I hope your amusement offers you some small measure of comfort, at least. "You have no idea who I support. | |||
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"Let's face it who ever gets elected in will be a cunt all politicians are lying deceiving corrupt high society wankers. " | |||
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"Let's face it who ever gets elected in will be a cunt all politicians are lying deceiving corrupt high society wankers. " | |||
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"I bet you are a Uskipper! "Couldn't be more wrong. I like guessing games though. I told you you amuse me. | |||
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"I might have been more impressed if the 100 business leaders in question had actually signed a letter that was of there own making.........
however the letter in question actually came from conservative party campaign HQ....... "Again, not a surprise. The title of the thread is a good news story for the Conservatives and, largely, it is. Most people won't look beyond the headline and will hear that 100 businesses support the Conservative handling of the economy. As the R4 news headline put it though, 100 businesses support the Coalition handling of the economy. | |||
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"Thanks OP for highlighting how big bosses want Tory government I guess the working men and women of Britain should vote Labour then - as when did big business ever give a damn about the working man? The point is that these are the people who actually take risks with their own money to create new and/or expand their businesses and as a consequence create meaningful jobs. Like it or not, a country needs a big private sector workforce because quite simply we can't have everyone working for the State. You may not like business leaders, but why would you pour scorn on what these job creators say they need to create more jobs? " Creating so many jobs at my company has knocked about 2 grand off my real income for this year. They're over hiring to be classed as "job creators" | |||
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"I might have been more impressed if the 100 business leaders in question had actually signed a letter that was of there own making.........
however the letter in question actually came from conservative party campaign HQ.......
Again, not a surprise. The title of the thread is a good news story for the Conservatives and, largely, it is. Most people won't look beyond the headline and will hear that 100 businesses support the Conservative handling of the economy. As the R4 news headline put it though, 100 businesses support the Coalition handling of the economy.
"Indeed. Or putting it another way, 4,899,900 business leaders DON'T support the Tory party. | |||
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"of the 103 names on the list... 32 of them have contributed money to the conservative party.... totaling about 9million pounds in donations..... and thats not including a few who are tory peers in the house of lords.. and their business backers....." But that isn't surprising is it ? Tory supporters support the Torys. Not a massive shock is it ? | |||
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"of the 103 names on the list... 32 of them have contributed money to the conservative party.... totaling about 9million pounds in donations..... and thats not including a few who are tory peers in the house of lords.. and their business backers....." But that isn't surprising is it ? Tory supporters support the Torys. Not a massive shock is it ? | |||
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"100 big business leaders back the coalition economic plan and warn against any change of economic policy. Rachel Reeves stumbles and fumbles her way around the headline as many of the signatories are former Labour supporters. "100 business leaders. Labour threatens Britains economy."" oh shit, it's a swinging site. so whilst every neuron in my heart and head is saying 'fuck off and die Tory scum' my dick is saying, hmmmmm, sexy arse. you don't get that problem at the SWP meets. too covered in fair trade angora non gender specific wraps. ho hum.... | |||
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"More than thirty of them have also donated money to the Tory party. Just fancy that! But surely that's what you do if you think that's the party that is best for you. It would be bizarre if they put their money anywhere else. Obviously they would invest in something that would do them good. If they thought labour was good for their business I'm sure they would donate to them. " Depends on how you look at it. The donations can be seen as encouragement for a party to pursue a particular path. Businesses have the clout to do that - ordinary people sadly don't. I'm sure there are plenty of businesses that donate to Labour too. Same sides of a dodgy coin. | |||
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"More than thirty of them have also donated money to the Tory party. Just fancy that! But surely that's what you do if you think that's the party that is best for you. It would be bizarre if they put their money anywhere else. Obviously they would invest in something that would do them good. If they thought labour was good for their business I'm sure they would donate to them. Depends on how you look at it. The donations can be seen as encouragement for a party to pursue a particular path. Businesses have the clout to do that - ordinary people sadly don't. I'm sure there are plenty of businesses that donate to Labour too. Same sides of a dodgy coin." Businesses support Tories by and large as they want lower taxes and the like. It is Unions, not businesses, who are in bed with Labour as they have a better chance of getting better working conditions and livable wages for their members under a Labour government. It is not since 1979 that we in Britain had a truly socialist government. Time for one again? | |||
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"100 big business leaders back the coalition economic plan and warn against any change of economic policy. Rachel Reeves stumbles and fumbles her way around the headline as many of the signatories are former Labour supporters. "100 business leaders. Labour threatens Britains economy." oh shit, it's a swinging site. so whilst every neuron in my heart and head is saying 'fuck off and die Tory scum' my dick is saying, hmmmmm, sexy arse. you don't get that problem at the SWP meets. too covered in fair trade angora non gender specific wraps. ho hum.... " You're a swappie? | |||
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"More than thirty of them have also donated money to the Tory party. Just fancy that! But surely that's what you do if you think that's the party that is best for you. It would be bizarre if they put their money anywhere else. Obviously they would invest in something that would do them good. If they thought labour was good for their business I'm sure they would donate to them. Depends on how you look at it. The donations can be seen as encouragement for a party to pursue a particular path. Businesses have the clout to do that - ordinary people sadly don't. I'm sure there are plenty of businesses that donate to Labour too. Same sides of a dodgy coin. Businesses support Tories by and large as they want lower taxes and the like. It is Unions, not businesses, who are in bed with Labour as they have a better chance of getting better working conditions and livable wages for their members under a Labour government. It is not since 1979 that we in Britain had a truly socialist government. Time for one again? " You would not say that if you lived through that particular government. Power cuts, strikes, three day week.... we were known as the sick man of Europe. | |||
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"More than thirty of them have also donated money to the Tory party. Just fancy that! But surely that's what you do if you think that's the party that is best for you. It would be bizarre if they put their money anywhere else. Obviously they would invest in something that would do them good. If they thought labour was good for their business I'm sure they would donate to them. Depends on how you look at it. The donations can be seen as encouragement for a party to pursue a particular path. Businesses have the clout to do that - ordinary people sadly don't. I'm sure there are plenty of businesses that donate to Labour too. Same sides of a dodgy coin. Businesses support Tories by and large as they want lower taxes and the like. It is Unions, not businesses, who are in bed with Labour as they have a better chance of getting better working conditions and livable wages for their members under a Labour government. It is not since 1979 that we in Britain had a truly socialist government. Time for one again? You would not say that if you lived through that particular government. Power cuts, strikes, three day week.... we were known as the sick man of Europe." I remember the power cuts. It was quite romantic with all that candlelight. | |||
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"More than thirty of them have also donated money to the Tory party. Just fancy that! But surely that's what you do if you think that's the party that is best for you. It would be bizarre if they put their money anywhere else. Obviously they would invest in something that would do them good. If they thought labour was good for their business I'm sure they would donate to them. Depends on how you look at it. The donations can be seen as encouragement for a party to pursue a particular path. Businesses have the clout to do that - ordinary people sadly don't. I'm sure there are plenty of businesses that donate to Labour too. Same sides of a dodgy coin. Businesses support Tories by and large as they want lower taxes and the like. It is Unions, not businesses, who are in bed with Labour as they have a better chance of getting better working conditions and livable wages for their members under a Labour government. It is not since 1979 that we in Britain had a truly socialist government. Time for one again? You would not say that if you lived through that particular government. Power cuts, strikes, three day week.... we were known as the sick man of Europe." I did live through it. Unions had too much power then and abused it. Just as employers abuse workers now. A happy medium is better You conveniently forget our most effective PM was a socialist - Attlee. His government saw the introduction of the NHS and Welfare State inter alia. Where would we be without those things? | |||
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"More than thirty of them have also donated money to the Tory party. Just fancy that! But surely that's what you do if you think that's the party that is best for you. It would be bizarre if they put their money anywhere else. Obviously they would invest in something that would do them good. If they thought labour was good for their business I'm sure they would donate to them. Depends on how you look at it. The donations can be seen as encouragement for a party to pursue a particular path. Businesses have the clout to do that - ordinary people sadly don't. I'm sure there are plenty of businesses that donate to Labour too. Same sides of a dodgy coin. Businesses support Tories by and large as they want lower taxes and the like. It is Unions, not businesses, who are in bed with Labour as they have a better chance of getting better working conditions and livable wages for their members under a Labour government. It is not since 1979 that we in Britain had a truly socialist government. Time for one again? You would not say that if you lived through that particular government. Power cuts, strikes, three day week.... we were known as the sick man of Europe. I did live through it. Unions had too much power then and abused it. Just as employers abuse workers now. A happy medium is better You conveniently forget our most effective PM was a socialist - Attlee. His government saw the introduction of the NHS and Welfare State inter alia. Where would we be without those things? " Atlee and the Labour Party at the time didn't consider themselves socialists. A Conservative post-war government under Churchill was fully signed up to introducing the NHS. A Liberal post-war government under Sinclair was fully signed up to introducing the NHS. The NHS was not Labour’s great achievement it was an inescapable conclusion that was very unpopular and controversial amongst labour members. In fact Atlee's and labours vision of the NHS was only of it being an advisory body for healthier nutrition and medical research. It was only under pressure from the liberals and the conservatives that the NHS became what it is. So it is one of the great myths that labour spout that the NHS was one of their great achievements | |||
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" In fact Atlee's and labours vision of the NHS was only of it being an advisory body for healthier nutrition and medical research. It was only under pressure from the liberals and the conservatives that the NHS became what it is. " Interesting that the conservatives pushed for an NHS...it appears to be a cornerstone of a socialist society... All's well that ends well - ish | |||
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" In fact Atlee's and labours vision of the NHS was only of it being an advisory body for healthier nutrition and medical research. It was only under pressure from the liberals and the conservatives that the NHS became what it is. Interesting that the conservatives pushed for an NHS...it appears to be a cornerstone of a socialist society... All's well that ends well - ish " It's just a nonsense that's spouted by some labour supporters that Tory equals bad for the NHS , when in fact the NHS as we see it today is more of the Tory vision than labours. It was labour who started part privatisation of the NHS and labour that wanted a blanket £10 charge to visit your GP. | |||
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"More than thirty of them have also donated money to the Tory party. Just fancy that! But surely that's what you do if you think that's the party that is best for you. It would be bizarre if they put their money anywhere else. Obviously they would invest in something that would do them good. If they thought labour was good for their business I'm sure they would donate to them. Depends on how you look at it. The donations can be seen as encouragement for a party to pursue a particular path. Businesses have the clout to do that - ordinary people sadly don't. I'm sure there are plenty of businesses that donate to Labour too. Same sides of a dodgy coin. Businesses support Tories by and large as they want lower taxes and the like. It is Unions, not businesses, who are in bed with Labour as they have a better chance of getting better working conditions and livable wages for their members under a Labour government. It is not since 1979 that we in Britain had a truly socialist government. Time for one again? You would not say that if you lived through that particular government. Power cuts, strikes, three day week.... we were known as the sick man of Europe. I did live through it. Unions had too much power then and abused it. Just as employers abuse workers now. A happy medium is better You conveniently forget our most effective PM was a socialist - Attlee. His government saw the introduction of the NHS and Welfare State inter alia. Where would we be without those things? " Interesting that you should mention welfare and the NHS. Introduced at a time when it was mainly only men that worked and the welfare system was costed on an assumption based on (the then) current lifespan and medical abilities. At that time there were 90% people working supporting the 10% who were not. Today there are more than 50% not working and as lifespans increase and medical know how improves (and becomes more expensive) we are asking an ever dwindling percentage of working people to support an ever increasing percentage of ageing and infirm. If the NHS and welfare state were proposed today - it would never see the light of day because it would be deemed unaffordable and unsustainable in the future. | |||
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"The point is that these are the people who actually take risks with their own money to create new and/or expand their businesses and as a consequence create meaningful jobs. Like it or not, a country needs a big private sector workforce because quite simply we can't have everyone working for the State. You may not like business leaders, but why would you pour scorn on what these job creators say they need to create more jobs? Please name some of these big business leaders that risk their own money that support the Tories... I think if you do a little checking you will find the vast majority of them are executive directors of public companies who owe their positions to the block voting of financial institutions that use our money to play roulette with the worlds economy and give their mates multi million pound a year jobs! OP, I am still waiting for an answer... You have managed to post 7 times since I asked you to name some of these big business people that risk their own money to provide jobs for others and you seem to be ignoring my post... Why? Is it because you cant name any?" OP posts now up to 9 since I asked my simple question and still no answer... I know it's bit of a bastard but considering my question is about your first post I think I deserve an answer if you as a Tory supporter want to retain any credibility. | |||
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"Dont you just love the way people juggle figures to justify their own personal agenda. Ask the same 100, would they vote for the loony party that wants to scrap corporation tax completely and ban the minimum wage. Am pretty sure every single one of them would be jumping up and down,telling us how good it would be for the country. "OK - I will respond to this. Firstly, what is the point of a minimum wage if people get tax credits anyway? Personally, I think that tax credits should be abolished and the minimum wage increased. Secondly, why do you think that aboloshing Corporation Tax is a bad idea? In essence CT punishes a company for being successful. A government could offer to reduce CT to zero for a Company that employs more people or re-invests in the company by expanding or purchasing new infrastructure equipment. A far better option and one that cannot be fiddled is to abolish CT altogether and introduce a "transaction tax." This would be a tax levied on every transaction made by one or both entities that is resident within the territorial borders of the United Kingdom. So for example - the likes of Facebook, Amazon, Starbucks and Google would pay a 5% tax on every transaction that was made to a UK resident. Every shop, every bank, every online retailer - every company or entity would pay a transaction tax instead of Corporation tax. Personally, I think it is a no brainer and the system to collect is already there with VAT. | |||
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"The point is that these are the people who actually take risks with their own money to create new and/or expand their businesses and as a consequence create meaningful jobs. Like it or not, a country needs a big private sector workforce because quite simply we can't have everyone working for the State. You may not like business leaders, but why would you pour scorn on what these job creators say they need to create more jobs? Please name some of these big business leaders that risk their own money that support the Tories... I think if you do a little checking you will find the vast majority of them are executive directors of public companies who owe their positions to the block voting of financial institutions that use our money to play roulette with the worlds economy and give their mates multi million pound a year jobs! OP, I am still waiting for an answer... You have managed to post 7 times since I asked you to name some of these big business people that risk their own money to provide jobs for others and you seem to be ignoring my post... Why? Is it because you cant name any? OP posts now up to 9 since I asked my simple question and still no answer... I know it's bit of a bastard but considering my question is about your first post I think I deserve an answer if you as a Tory supporter want to retain any credibility." I reiterated a newspaper headline as a post??? What do you want me to do? Tear a new arse out of the Daily Telegraph for publishing something that you don't like? I apologise for not responding sooner but I have to sell shit between popping on here otherwise the boat and/or Range Rover might get repossessed.
You are asking me to name risk takers I think? People who risk their own money and who are on that list? How can I do that? I don't have the time or inclination to dig into the companies that these guys control and why should I - it has got nothing to do with the original post. One thing that I can be pretty sure of without knowing very much about each one of them. At some stage - a number of them will have had to take a risk - betting all they had to get where they are now. That is how it works.
You appear to be another embittered soul. You want high paying work and resent anyone who is better off than you. You hate big business and don't want them to succeed and you simply cannot accept that work comes from profitable business. Just exactly who do you want to create all the well paid jobs? The state? | |||
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"WOW what a great idea, can we also scrap income tax, as that would make people work more. Also get rid of fuel duty,then people will use lots more and create even more petrol stations and so more tax free jobs. While we are at it,lets just scrap all tax`s and let the entire country sort them selves out. No Police,no health service,no prisons and no MPs. Just let everyone help themselves to anything they fancy at any price. "Have you read what I wrote? Why is a transaction tax not better than Corporation Tax? What do you know about Corporation Tax? Not very much by the sound of it. A transaction tax would raise far more money and it is unavoidable, fair and transparent - unlike CT. You shopuld not let blind prejudice mislead you. | |||
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"HMRC can barely function as it is. Why do you think increasing the workload would be more efficient ? Who is going to police this transaction tax,certainly not the private companies. They are already guilty of hiding as much money from HMRC as they can. Giving them even more opportunities to hide money does seem a little naive dont you thing. Afte all Starbucks are not going to keep records of every single cup of coffee or cake that they sell are they." They do already. It's called a till or cash register. | |||
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"How to buy a meeting with a minister http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/episode-guide I wonder how many of these top 100 attended these events." Not all of them,some were playing tennis or shopping,with members of an elite group. | |||
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"Perfect solution then,just let Amazon and the rest of the internet companies, know they need to get hold of some cheap tills. "So you are expecting a workforce of minimum wagers to be compliment in evading tax for the company that only pays then the minimum ? | |||
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"HMRC can barely function as it is. Why do you think increasing the workload would be more efficient ? Who is going to police this transaction tax,certainly not the private companies. They are already guilty of hiding as much money from HMRC as they can. Giving them even more opportunities to hide money does seem a little naive dont you thing. Afte all Starbucks are not going to keep records of every single cup of coffee or cake that they sell are they." The system is already in place. Corporation Tax needs a separate system, whereas a transaction tax can piggy back VAT returns. VAT returns follow the flow of cash and reconcile with bank statements. Google, Starbucks etc already publish their accounts but pay little CT here because of the way they play the Corporate HQ game. Whatever Starbucks turned over from UK operations they would have paid 20% VAT (which they do already) plus another 5% transaction tax on turnover instead of 20% CT on profits which always seem to magically dissappear anyway. Low taxes encourage business and one of the biggest problems with CT at the moment is that you have a so called combined EU but each member state sets its own CT rate thereby encouraging (or disuading) investment. Labour wants to put up CT and that is crazy as it would just encourage more people to HQ in Ireland instead of the UK and thereby we lose more CT instead of gaining it. | |||
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"HMRC can barely function as it is. Why do you think increasing the workload would be more efficient ? Who is going to police this transaction tax,certainly not the private companies. They are already guilty of hiding as much money from HMRC as they can. Giving them even more opportunities to hide money does seem a little naive dont you thing. Afte all Starbucks are not going to keep records of every single cup of coffee or cake that they sell are they. The system is already in place. Corporation Tax needs a separate system, whereas a transaction tax can piggy back VAT returns. VAT returns follow the flow of cash and reconcile with bank statements. Google, Starbucks etc already publish their accounts but pay little CT here because of the way they play the Corporate HQ game. Whatever Starbucks turned over from UK operations they would have paid 20% VAT (which they do already) plus another 5% transaction tax on turnover instead of 20% CT on profits which always seem to magically dissappear anyway. Low taxes encourage business and one of the biggest problems with CT at the moment is that you have a so called combined EU but each member state sets its own CT rate thereby encouraging (or disuading) investment. Labour wants to put up CT and that is crazy as it would just encourage more people to HQ in Ireland instead of the UK and thereby we lose more CT instead of gaining it. " . But we the customer pay the vat not Starbucks!... They can claim all their vat back.... We can't!. It's a tax on we the people. The whole point of corporation tax is to punish massive profit and force the company to invest in capital infrastructure or hiring people which would mean that money didn't get taxed..... Without corporation tax the companies would be allowed cart blanche on unlimited profits  | |||
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"But we the customer pay the vat not Starbucks!... They can claim all their vat back.... We can't!. It's a tax on we the people. The whole point of corporation tax is to punish massive profit and force the company to invest in capital infrastructure or hiring people which would mean that money didn't get taxed..... Without corporation tax the companies would be allowed cart blanche on unlimited profits "You are not getting it. I am only saying that the VAT collection system is already in place. I am not saying that VAT should be increased by 5%. Forget about the brand Corporation Tax and think about it as a sum of money that the Treasury collects. At the moment, globalisation is making a mockery of Corporation Tax and nobody is getting their rightful share. So, think outside the box - how else can this money be raised and not be fiddled? My opinion is that a company should be taxed on every transaction that they make in the UK. This not a reclaimable tax like VAT and it can be paid either quarterly with the VAT return or as part of the annual return. The amount of profit that a Company makes is to be honest irrelevant these days because of tax loopholes and domiciliation rules they will never pay the correct amount of CT. So, forget the CT and tax them on every transaction - the end result will be the same AND no one can get away with not paying it. | |||
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"But we the customer pay the vat not Starbucks!... They can claim all their vat back.... We can't!. It's a tax on we the people. The whole point of corporation tax is to punish massive profit and force the company to invest in capital infrastructure or hiring people which would mean that money didn't get taxed..... Without corporation tax the companies would be allowed cart blanche on unlimited profits
You are not getting it. I am only saying that the VAT collection system is already in place. I am not saying that VAT should be increased by 5%.
Forget about the brand Corporation Tax and think about it as a sum of money that the Treasury collects. At the moment, globalisation is making a mockery of Corporation Tax and nobody is getting their rightful share. So, think outside the box - how else can this money be raised and not be fiddled?
My opinion is that a company should be taxed on every transaction that they make in the UK. This not a reclaimable tax like VAT and it can be paid either quarterly with the VAT return or as part of the annual return.
The amount of profit that a Company makes is to be honest irrelevant these days because of tax loopholes and domiciliation rules they will never pay the correct amount of CT. So, forget the CT and tax them on every transaction - the end result will be the same AND no one can get away with not paying it.". Aha. Funnily enough I like it, it seems a fairer way to get rid of the leverage big firms have over small ones,I wouldn't hold out any hope of anybody in government implementing it though as the trouble with politics today is, those big firms who like the current system have the ear of the major leaders! | |||
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