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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I was just thinking about this mass killing with the plane crash last week ,

I noticed there is a lack of the word terrorist used in this devastating situation ....

It leaves me to ponder would there have been more use of the word "terrorist"if the man had been brown or muslim ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It would only have been appropriate if he had be a terrorist

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Is he not ?

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA

Nope - regardless of colour/religion/race it would seem to be a person with mental health issues and not terror related

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

As I understand it, he was unwell, not a terrorist.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

But are not all people who kill others sick , it was stated he said to his GF I will have my name remembered , therefore I'd say it was planned .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But are not all people who kill others sick , it was stated he said to his GF I will have my name remembered , therefore I'd say it was planned . "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There doesn't appear to have been any religious, political or ideological motivation involved. Therefore he's not a terrorist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But are not all people who kill others sick , it was stated he said to his GF I will have my name remembered , therefore I'd say it was planned . "

Are all the high school shootings (columbine etc) terrorism then? What about Harold Shipman?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But are not all people who kill others sick , it was stated he said to his GF I will have my name remembered , therefore I'd say it was planned . "

doesnt make him a terrorist - you might argue the point that all terrorists are sick if you state that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He was severely depressed, didn't they find loads of doctors papers ripped up at his home?

Illness or not he was a selfish prick, could have killed himself alone without having to take innocent people's lives with him.

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By *lackbirdtimestwoWoman
over a year ago

birmingham

I think that if he were brown skinned there would have been more speculation, the word count would have been much more terrorist related,, sadly that's how the media works

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"But are not all people who kill others sick , it was stated he said to his GF I will have my name remembered , therefore I'd say it was planned . "

No, terrorists set out to cause acts of terror for a cause, not because they are mentally ill.

Murdering someone is a planned act but it doesn't make it terrorism.

Just because something is pre-planned does not make it terrorism. It's the reason it is carried out that decides that. In this case it was mental illness.

You don't seem to understand what terrorism is.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"But are not all people who kill others sick , it was stated he said to his GF I will have my name remembered , therefore I'd say it was planned .

No, terrorists set out to cause acts of terror for a cause, not because they are mentally ill.

Murdering someone is a planned act but it doesn't make it terrorism.

Just because something is pre-planned does not make it terrorism. It's the reason it is carried out that decides that. In this case it was mental illness.

You don't seem to understand what terrorism is."

Oh I'm fully aware of the dictionary definition , I'm just not sure I totally agree with , I can see others points of view but feel it's a tad more subjective and not as straight laced as people would like it to be .

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think that if he were brown skinned there would have been more speculation, the word count would have been much more terrorist related,, sadly that's how the media works "

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"But are not all people who kill others sick , it was stated he said to his GF I will have my name remembered , therefore I'd say it was planned .

Are all the high school shootings (columbine etc) terrorism then? What about Harold Shipman? "

Very good point

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By *he Queen of TartsWoman
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over a year ago

My Own Little World

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda . "

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda . "

That doesn't make it terrorism!

As above, the example of the high school shootings. Those people would have been terrified too but it doesn't make it a terrorist attack.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"But are not all people who kill others sick , it was stated he said to his GF I will have my name remembered , therefore I'd say it was planned .

Are all the high school shootings (columbine etc) terrorism then? What about Harold Shipman?

Very good point "

And your answer?

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

He does not seen to have been attempting to bring about political change by violence and fear. He was not a terrorist.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"But are not all people who kill others sick , it was stated he said to his GF I will have my name remembered , therefore I'd say it was planned .

No, terrorists set out to cause acts of terror for a cause, not because they are mentally ill.

Murdering someone is a planned act but it doesn't make it terrorism.

Just because something is pre-planned does not make it terrorism. It's the reason it is carried out that decides that. In this case it was mental illness.

You don't seem to understand what terrorism is.

Well whether you agree with the meaning or not, it is what the word means.

Something doesn't become terrorism despite not fitting the description of terrorism simply because it caused terror, or because you think it should.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He was severely depressed, didn't they find loads of doctors papers ripped up at his home?

Illness or not he was a selfish prick, could have killed himself alone without having to take innocent people's lives with him. "

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"But are not all people who kill others sick , it was stated he said to his GF I will have my name remembered , therefore I'd say it was planned .

Are all the high school shootings (columbine etc) terrorism then? What about Harold Shipman?

Very good point

And your answer?"

I don't have one.....I'm interested in the opinions of others not actually here to win an argument , as I said I was "wondering" about the mass killing .

You just get so used to seeing this term used I wandered why this planned killing was any different and I appreciate the feed back .

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"But are not all people who kill others sick , it was stated he said to his GF I will have my name remembered , therefore I'd say it was planned .

No, terrorists set out to cause acts of terror for a cause, not because they are mentally ill.

Murdering someone is a planned act but it doesn't make it terrorism.

Just because something is pre-planned does not make it terrorism. It's the reason it is carried out that decides that. In this case it was mental illness.

You don't seem to understand what terrorism is.

Well whether you agree with the meaning or not, it is what the word means.

Something doesn't become terrorism despite not fitting the description of terrorism simply because it caused terror, or because you think it should."

You could argue that a lot of governments are terrorists too then because there mass killing dose fit the description to a tee. IMO

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But are not all people who kill others sick , it was stated he said to his GF I will have my name remembered , therefore I'd say it was planned .

No, terrorists set out to cause acts of terror for a cause, not because they are mentally ill.not

Murdering someone is a planned act but it doesn't make it terrorism.

Just because something is pre-planned does not make it terrorism. It's the reason it is carried out that decides that. In this case it was mental illness.

You don't seem to understand what terrorism is.

Well whether you agree with the meaning or not, it is what the word means.

Something doesn't become terrorism despite not fitting the description of terrorism simply because it caused terror, or because you think it should.

You could argue that a lot of governments are terrorists too then because there mass killing dose fit the description to a tee. IMO "

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"But are not all people who kill others sick , it was stated he said to his GF I will have my name remembered , therefore I'd say it was planned .

No, terrorists set out to cause acts of terror for a cause, not because they are mentally ill.

Murdering someone is a planned act but it doesn't make it terrorism.

Just because something is pre-planned does not make it terrorism. It's the reason it is carried out that decides that. In this case it was mental illness.

You don't seem to understand what terrorism is.

Well whether you agree with the meaning or not, it is what the word means.

Something doesn't become terrorism despite not fitting the description of terrorism simply because it caused terror, or because you think it should.

You could argue that a lot of governments are terrorists too then because there mass killing dose fit the description to a tee. IMO "

You could indeed. I'm not sure I'd even try to argue that one. Some regimes are established and held through terror.

That is actually a better example than the 'plane crash.

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By *oxesMan
over a year ago

Southend, Essex

"I was just thinking about this mass killing with the plane crash last week ,

I noticed there is a lack of the word terrorist used in this devastating situation ....

It leaves me to ponder would there have been more use of the word "terrorist"if the man had been brown or muslim ? "

Terrorism is often referred to a crime caused for political orcreligiouse reasons.

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By *ouvakMan
over a year ago

clacton on sea

"I was just thinking about this mass killing with the plane crash last week ,

I noticed there is a lack of the word terrorist used in this devastating situation ....

It leaves me to ponder would there have been more use of the word "terrorist"if the man had been brown or muslim ? "

so the man or woman that jumps from a building/bridge/or in front of a train is not mentally ill but a terrorist ?

the act defines the way in which it is given a label, not the colour or the religion of the person or their political view's.

Yes it was an act of pure selfishness to take so many innocent lives along with his own, and I feel for everyone of those who died along with the pilot.

the only label I see that fit's this situation is that of corporate manslaughter seeing how his employers were aware of his mental state before he boarded the plane.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

You can have revenge or a crime of passion , I just can't help but think about the fear they must have all felt on that decent , for me the only fitting word is terrified thus leaves me to conclude the person terrifying them is a terrorist ??

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

No. Terror alone is not the basis for something being terrorism.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple
over a year ago

near cardiff

"But are not all people who kill others sick , it was stated he said to his GF I will have my name remembered , therefore I'd say it was planned .

No, terrorists set out to cause acts of terror for a cause, not because they are mentally ill.

Murdering someone is a planned act but it doesn't make it terrorism.

Just because something is pre-planned does not make it terrorism. It's the reason it is carried out that decides that. In this case it was mental illness.

You don't seem to understand what terrorism is.

Well whether you agree with the meaning or not, it is what the word means.

Something doesn't become terrorism despite not fitting the description of terrorism simply because it caused terror, or because you think it should.

You could argue that a lot of governments are terrorists too then because there mass killing dose fit the description to a tee. IMO "

One mans terrorist is the next mans freedom fighter..plenty of people around the planet will argue convincingly that our government acts like terrorists..i suppose it depends on what side of the fence you are sitting on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One mans terrorist is the next mans freedom fighter..plenty of people around the planet will argue convincingly that our government acts like terrorists..i suppose it depends on what side of the fence you are sitting on."

This is so true.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"But are not all people who kill others sick , it was stated he said to his GF I will have my name remembered , therefore I'd say it was planned .

No, terrorists set out to cause acts of terror for a cause, not because they are mentally ill.

Murdering someone is a planned act but it doesn't make it terrorism.

Just because something is pre-planned does not make it terrorism. It's the reason it is carried out that decides that. In this case it was mental illness.

You don't seem to understand what terrorism is.

Well whether you agree with the meaning or not, it is what the word means.

Something doesn't become terrorism despite not fitting the description of terrorism simply because it caused terror, or because you think it should.

You could argue that a lot of governments are terrorists too then because there mass killing dose fit the description to a tee. IMO

Your point is on point

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By *ouvakMan
over a year ago

clacton on sea

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

I think anyone facing death at the hands someone else will feel pretty terrified at the time they are under threat of death, fear is an emotion displayed when someone is unable to control the events unfolding infront of them that will inevitably lead to their death.

Ergo it is not right to label this guy's action as an act of terrorism but only as a case of mass murder or manslaughter

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But are not all people who kill others sick , it was stated he said to his GF I will have my name remembered , therefore I'd say it was planned .

No, terrorists set out to cause acts of terror for a cause, not because they are mentally ill.

Murdering someone is a planned act but it doesn't make it terrorism.

Just because something is pre-planned does not make it terrorism. It's the reason it is carried out that decides that. In this case it was mental illness.

You don't seem to understand what terrorism is.

Well whether you agree with the meaning or not, it is what the word means.

Something doesn't become terrorism despite not fitting the description of terrorism simply because it caused terror, or because you think it should.

You could argue that a lot of governments are terrorists too then because there mass killing dose fit the description to a tee. IMO

I don't disagree with that statement - but that still doesn't make this terrorism.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism. "

Sure they do , let's look at the word "fundamental " this is a positive word used to describe people for-filling a primary rule I.e doing something the right way , you would want your doctor to be a fundamentalist In his trade , the same with your Plummer , yet the term is given a somewhat different meaning when used to describe a muslim , the term is automatically a negative .

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple
over a year ago

near cardiff

"But are not all people who kill others sick , it was stated he said to his GF I will have my name remembered , therefore I'd say it was planned .

No, terrorists set out to cause acts of terror for a cause, not because they are mentally ill.

Murdering someone is a planned act but it doesn't make it terrorism.

Just because something is pre-planned does not make it terrorism. It's the reason it is carried out that decides that. In this case it was mental illness.

You don't seem to understand what terrorism is.

Well whether you agree with the meaning or not, it is what the word means.

Something doesn't become terrorism despite not fitting the description of terrorism simply because it caused terror, or because you think it should.

You could argue that a lot of governments are terrorists too then because there mass killing dose fit the description to a tee. IMO

I don't disagree with that statement - but that still doesn't make this terrorism."

the point is about governments not what the pilot did..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But are not all people who kill others sick , it was stated he said to his GF I will have my name remembered , therefore I'd say it was planned .

No, terrorists set out to cause acts of terror for a cause, not because they are mentally ill.

Murdering someone is a planned act but it doesn't make it terrorism.

Just because something is pre-planned does not make it terrorism. It's the reason it is carried out that decides that. In this case it was mental illness.

You don't seem to understand what terrorism is.

Well whether you agree with the meaning or not, it is what the word means.

Something doesn't become terrorism despite not fitting the description of terrorism simply because it caused terror, or because you think it should.

You could argue that a lot of governments are terrorists too then because there mass killing dose fit the description to a tee. IMO

I don't disagree with that statement - but that still doesn't make this terrorism.

the point is about governments not what the pilot did.."

But this point is about what the pilot did, so I don't see how the comparison is relevant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

Not strictly correct, fundamentalism was defined as a strict adherence to a theological doctrine, and arguably started in a Christian movement in the 18th and 19th century therefore it is arguably specific to a religious cause, rather than applicable to others.

I know I'm just being difficult.

For something to be classified as terrorism it must be done with a view, to political, theological, idealogical, or religious gain, therefore the pilot was not a terrorist, he committed murder.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I am at a loss to see why some are finding it so hard to understand that terrorism isn't simply about causing terror.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

I know I'm just being difficult.

For something to be classified as terrorism it must be done with a view, to political, theological, idealogical, or religious gain, therefore the pilot was not a terrorist, he committed murder."

Your not being difficult , you learn something new everyday thanks for sharing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope - regardless of colour/religion/race it would seem to be a person with mental health issues and not terror related "

I thought that was pretty obvious.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For something to be classified as terrorism it must be done with a view, to political, theological, idealogical, or religious gain, therefore the pilot was not a terrorist, he cmurder."

This.

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple
over a year ago

near cardiff

"But are not all people who kill others sick , it was stated he said to his GF I will have my name remembered , therefore I'd say it was planned .

No, terrorists set out to cause acts of terror for a cause, not because they are mentally ill.

Murdering someone is a planned act but it doesn't make it terrorism.

Just because something is pre-planned does not make it terrorism. It's the reason it is carried out that decides that. In this case it was mental illness.

You don't seem to understand what terrorism is.

Well whether you agree with the meaning or not, it is what the word means.

Something doesn't become terrorism despite not fitting the description of terrorism simply because it caused terror, or because you think it should.

You could argue that a lot of governments are terrorists too then because there mass killing dose fit the description to a tee. IMO

I don't disagree with that statement - but that still doesn't make this terrorism.

the point is about governments not what the pilot did..

But this point is about what the pilot did, so I don't see how the comparison is relevant. "

Simple...I'm responding to this..(although I agree the pilot is no terrorist)

"You could argue that a lot of governments are terrorists too then because there mass killing dose fit the description to a tee. IMO"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

Your definition is not what fundamentalist means either. I don't want my doctor to be a fundamentalist, the word has no meaning in the way you have used it there. Also, fundamentalist is not a description used exclusively in relation to Muslims, you will see and hear plenty of criticism of fundamentalist Christians.

I think I get the basic gist of your original point, which is that if he'd been Muslim we would have jumped initially to the conclusion that he was a terrorist. But that still doesn't work as an argument, because when it was subsequently revealed that there was no religious or political motivation then he is not a terrorist, while white terrorists e.g. Timothy McVeigh, Anders Breivik, ARE terrorists because they WERE politically motivated.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"But are not all people who kill others sick , it was stated he said to his GF I will have my name remembered , therefore I'd say it was planned .

No, terrorists set out to cause acts of terror for a cause, not because they are mentally ill.

Murdering someone is a planned act but it doesn't make it terrorism.

Just because something is pre-planned does not make it terrorism. It's the reason it is carried out that decides that. In this case it was mental illness.

You don't seem to understand what terrorism is.

Well whether you agree with the meaning or not, it is what the word means.

Something doesn't become terrorism despite not fitting the description of terrorism simply because it caused terror, or because you think it should.

You could argue that a lot of governments are terrorists too then because there mass killing dose fit the description to a tee. IMO

I don't disagree with that statement - but that still doesn't make this terrorism.

the point is about governments not what the pilot did..

But this point is about what the pilot did, so I don't see how the comparison is relevant.

Simple...I'm responding to this..(although I agree the pilot is no terrorist)

"You could argue that a lot of governments are terrorists too then because there mass killing dose fit the description to a tee. IMO"

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

True but due to them being white there was still in my opinion a lack of the label of them being terrorist .

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

I want my doctor to follow the fundamentals of medicine when treating me ....

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By *ouvakMan
over a year ago

clacton on sea

If you take the word TERROR and apply it to things that are done to scare you then it makes the builders of fairground rides terrorists.

making words fit your requirements isn't how we use the language, each word in our language is given a set definition bot adjective and non or pro non, these definitions define the pretext for which a particular word can be prefixed to a situation or set of events.

By your own definition your a word terrorist because you are using words to bring terror to those who read what you say, you see there I have used your definition to remove the word from it's intended usage to make a point, and therefore moved the presumed understanding of the word.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

I want my doctor to follow the fundamentals of medicine when treating me ...."

Fundamentals yes, but that does not make him a fundamentalist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But are not all people who kill others sick , it was stated he said to his GF I will have my name remembered , therefore I'd say it was planned . "

He was a wicked man on a mission

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The desire to make people afraid is, to my mind, the definition of terrorist intent.

When some shitty person or some equally as shitty organisation expresses the idea people should be afraid of them well, this clearly DOES mean you want those people to be afraid.

And making people afraid of you is [TERROR]ism. I mean, it's right there in the word.

And it's a horrible word and an equally horrible thought full stop.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

True but due to them being white there was still in my opinion a lack of the label of them being terrorist ."

I have just googled both of their names. The first thing that comes up is the description of both of them as terrorists. I thought of them as terrorists when I was thinking of an example. How are they not labelled as terrorists?

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over a year ago

"The desire to make people afraid is, to my mind, the definition of terrorist intent.

When some shitty person or some equally as shitty organisation expresses the idea people should be afraid of them well, this clearly DOES mean you want those people to be afraid.

And making people afraid of you is [TERROR]ism. I mean, it's right there in the word.

And it's a horrible word and an equally horrible thought full stop."

That's not the definition of terrorism though. Otherwise every sadistic murderer would be a terrorist. But they're not, they're a sadistic murderer.

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over a year ago

"The desire to make people afraid is, to my mind, the definition of terrorist intent.

When some shitty person or some equally as shitty organisation expresses the idea people should be afraid of them well, this clearly DOES mean you want those people to be afraid.

And making people afraid of you is [TERROR]ism. I mean, it's right there in the word.

And it's a horrible word and an equally horrible thought full stop."

No word is horrible, its the intention with which that word is used, or how others interpret the word. Language is neutral until those that use it give it meaning.

Making people afraid of you is not terrorism. The playground bully makes others fear him, that does not make him a terrorist. There must be the other criteria to make it terrorism, otherwise it is just fear.

Fear does not mean terrorism, but terrorism can mean fear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just don't understand the subject well enough to be honest.

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over a year ago

It is worth pointing out, OP, that the moment the story broke (about the co-pilot doing what he did and before the depression angle had surfaced), the press asked pointedly about the terrorist possibility. This was quickly quashed by the investigating authorities. It is not a colour thing: the IRA and Basque separatists are viewed as terrorists yet clearly white!

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By *ouvakMan
over a year ago

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Terrorism is commonly defined as violent acts (or the threat of violent acts) intended to create fear (terror), perpetrated for a religious, political, or ideological goal, and which deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (e.g., neutral military personnel or civilians). Another common definition sees terrorism as political, ideological or religious violence by non-state actors. Some definitions now include acts of unlawful violence and war. The use of similar tactics by criminal organizations for protection rackets or to enforce a code of silence is usually not labeled terrorism, though these same actions may be labeled terrorism when done by a politically motivated group. Usage of the term has also been criticized for its frequent undue equating with Islamism or jihadism, while ignoring non-Islamic organizations or individuals.[1][2] In the international community, terrorism has no legally binding, criminal-law definition.[3][4]

The word "terrorism" is politically loaded and emotionally charged,[5] and this greatly compounds the difficulty of providing a precise definition. A study on political terrorism examining over 100 definitions of "terrorism" found 22 separate definitional elements (e.g. Violence, force, fear, threat, victim-target differentiation).[6][7] In some cases, the same group may be described as "freedom fighters" by its supporters and considered to be terrorists by its opponents.[8] The concept of terrorism may be controversial as it is often used by state authorities (and individuals with access to state support) to delegitimize political or other opponents,[9] and potentially legitimize the state's own use of armed force against opponents (such use of force may be described as "terror" by opponents of the state).[9][10] At the same time, the reverse may also take place when states perpetrate or are accused of perpetrating state terrorism.[11] The usage of the term has a controversial history, with individuals such as ANC leader Nelson Mandela at one point also branded a terrorist.[12]

A broad array of political organizations has practiced terrorism to further their objectives. It has been practiced by both right-wing and left-wing political parties, nationalistic groups, religious groups, revolutionaries, and ruling governments.[13] The symbolism of terrorism can exploit human fear to help achieve these goals.[14]

the wiki definition of the word

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

True but due to them being white there was still in my opinion a lack of the label of them being terrorist .

Because it doesn't fit the OPs agenda on racism and discrimination against certain religions?

That's what this is really about after all.

We haven't all labelled a white man (who wasn't a terrorist) as a terrorist so we're all racist.

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over a year ago

^ When I want facts Wikipedia is the LAST place I go.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"^ When I want facts Wikipedia is the LAST place I go.

On some subjects it's an awesome resource, on others it's less than stellar. It can be useful, when used in conjunction with other sources of research.

No one source of information should be taken as gospel without verification from other sources.

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By *ouvakMan
over a year ago

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"^ When I want facts Wikipedia is the LAST place I go.

Ok the Oxford dictionary definition then is ====

The unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims:

the fight against terrorism

international terrorism

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple
over a year ago

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Terrorism is simple to define!

You can google it if you have no dictionary..

For those that are struggling to understand the term once you do look it up the cloud of confusion dissipates..

Unless the investigation uncovers his political manifesto then this tragic incident is a fucked up mass murder and suicide.

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By *ouvakMan
over a year ago

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TERRORISM the Origin

Late 18th century: from French terroriste, from Latin terror (see terror). The word was originally applied to supporters of the Jacobins in the French Revolution, who advocated repression and violence in pursuit of the principles of democracy and equality.

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over a year ago

"The desire to make people afraid is, to my mind, the definition of terrorist intent.

When some shitty person or some equally as shitty organisation expresses the idea people should be afraid of them well, this clearly DOES mean you want those people to be afraid.

And making people afraid of you is [TERROR]ism. I mean, it's right there in the word.

And it's a horrible word and an equally horrible thought full stop."

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over a year ago

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

True but due to them being white there was still in my opinion a lack of the label of them being terrorist .

Because it doesn't fit the OPs agenda on racism and discrimination against certain religions?

That's what this is really about after all.

We haven't all labelled a white man (who wasn't a terrorist) as a terrorist so we're all racist."

How rude I have no agenda , just opinions and I'm more then willing to learn from others , I totally resent this statement, I'm not labelling anyone and never would , your reply here certainly leaves me to question your motive .

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over a year ago

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

True but due to them being white there was still in my opinion a lack of the label of them being terrorist .

Because it doesn't fit the OPs agenda on racism and discrimination against certain religions?

That's what this is really about after all.

We haven't all labelled a white man (who wasn't a terrorist) as a terrorist so we're all racist.

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over a year ago

I get your point OP, i understand how the media twists things to suit political agendas.

Terrorism is often premeditated and for a reason, whereas mental health crimes are usually spontaneous (although there can be warning signs) and not premeditated and usually the perpetrator isn't held responsible for their actions.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

True but due to them being white there was still in my opinion a lack of the label of them being terrorist .

Because it doesn't fit the OPs agenda on racism and discrimination against certain religions?

That's what this is really about after all.

We haven't all labelled a white man (who wasn't a terrorist) as a terrorist so we're all racist.

Whereas your motive is clear.

You clearly think that not calling this man, who wasn't a terrorist, a terrorist is double standards because he's white. That's what you've written.

You aren't after opinions or willing to learn because you continue to deny the definition of terrorism. It's a clear cut definition.

The pilot was not a terrorist. An act causing terror not necessarily terrorism.

The actions of the pilot were initially considered as potential terrorism but it was ruled out when the facts were established.

Those are the facts.

Continuing to argue this was terrorism speaks of a further agenda; that highlighted in your thread title.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

Just looked up the definition of terrorism and it seems that the United Nations doesn't even have a definition on terrorism that can be agreed on.

(Article on www.humanrightsvoices.org)

So who fancies a job at the UN to sort this easy definition?

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

True but due to them being white there was still in my opinion a lack of the label of them being terrorist .

Because it doesn't fit the OPs agenda on racism and discrimination against certain religions?

That's what this is really about after all.

We haven't all labelled a white man (who wasn't a terrorist) as a terrorist so we're all racist.

Ha..that's fab for you.

It's full 'opinions'.

Truth and reality don't mean shit on here..you talk about terrorism as a white man!you must be a racist...even though you are talking about a white pilot and wondering if he could be classed as a terrorist...

Don't expect an apology though...

That's not what he's saying.

His claim is that we all have double standards because we aren't branding the white man a terrorist whereas we (allegedly) would have called a brown man in the same situation a terrorist.

So no, I won't be apologising.

You may be happy with the allegation you have double standards and are racist but I'm not.

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over a year ago

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

True but due to them being white there was still in my opinion a lack of the label of them being terrorist .

Because it doesn't fit the OPs agenda on racism and discrimination against certain religions?

That's what this is really about after all.

We haven't all labelled a white man (who wasn't a terrorist) as a terrorist so we're all racist.

Whereas your motive is clear.

You clearly think that not calling this man, who wasn't a terrorist, a terrorist is double standards because he's white. That's what you've written.

You aren't after opinions or willing to learn because you continue to deny the definition of terrorism. It's a clear cut definition.

The pilot was not a terrorist. An act causing terror not necessarily terrorism.

The actions of the pilot were initially considered as potential terrorism but it was ruled out when the facts were established.

Those are the facts.

Continuing to argue this was terrorism speaks of a further agenda; that highlighted in your thread title."

Hold up , I haven't argued anything , I started with an opinion and have taken on board what everyone else has said I called no one racist , and my thread was pointed more towards the media and not general public , sorry to disappoint you but you have no need to personally attack people in an open discussion .

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over a year ago

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

True but due to them being white there was still in my opinion a lack of the label of them being terrorist .

Because it doesn't fit the OPs agenda on racism and discrimination against certain religions?

That's what this is really about after all.

We haven't all labelled a white man (who wasn't a terrorist) as a terrorist so we're all racist.

Whereas your motive is clear.

You clearly think that not calling this man, who wasn't a terrorist, a terrorist is double standards because he's white. That's what you've written.

You aren't after opinions or willing to learn because you continue to deny the definition of terrorism. It's a clear cut definition.

The pilot was not a terrorist. An act causing terror not necessarily terrorism.

The actions of the pilot were initially considered as potential terrorism but it was ruled out when the facts were established.

Those are the facts.

Continuing to argue this was terrorism speaks of a further agenda; that highlighted in your thread title.

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over a year ago

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

True but due to them being white there was still in my opinion a lack of the label of them being terrorist .

Because it doesn't fit the OPs agenda on racism and discrimination against certain religions?

That's what this is really about after all.

We haven't all labelled a white man (who wasn't a terrorist) as a terrorist so we're all racist.

Ha..that's fab for you.

It's full 'opinions'.

Don't expect an apology though...

That's not what he's saying.

His claim is that we all have double standards because we aren't branding the white man a terrorist whereas we (allegedly) would have called a brown man in the same situation a terrorist.

So no, I won't be apologising.

You may be happy with the allegation you have double standards and are racist but I'm not."

Do you need a hug or something??

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

True but due to them being white there was still in my opinion a lack of the label of them being terrorist .

Because it doesn't fit the OPs agenda on racism and discrimination against certain religions?

That's what this is really about after all.

We haven't all labelled a white man (who wasn't a terrorist) as a terrorist so we're all racist.

Ha..that's fab for you.

It's full 'opinions'.

Don't expect an apology though...

That's not what he's saying.

His claim is that we all have double standards because we aren't branding the white man a terrorist whereas we (allegedly) would have called a brown man in the same situation a terrorist.

So no, I won't be apologising.

You may be happy with the allegation you have double standards and are racist but I'm not.

Do you need a hug or something?? "

I'm fine. You're the one with the agenda. I find your suggestion of double standards insulting. And boring. It's been clearly explained, numerous times, why the pilot wasn't a terrorist so no double standards.

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple
over a year ago

near cardiff

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

True but due to them being white there was still in my opinion a lack of the label of them being terrorist .

Because it doesn't fit the OPs agenda on racism and discrimination against certain religions?

That's what this is really about after all.

We haven't all labelled a white man (who wasn't a terrorist) as a terrorist so we're all racist.

Whereas your motive is clear.

You clearly think that not calling this man, who wasn't a terrorist, a terrorist is double standards because he's white. That's what you've written.

You aren't after opinions or willing to learn because you continue to deny the definition of terrorism. It's a clear cut definition.

The pilot was not a terrorist. An act causing terror not necessarily terrorism.

The actions of the pilot were initially considered as potential terrorism but it was ruled out when the facts were established.

Those are the facts.

Continuing to argue this was terrorism speaks of a further agenda; that highlighted in your thread title.

Lol...

Virago is clearly correct with her accusation..you have a problem with certain religions

"Because it doesn't fit the OPs agenda on racism and discrimination against certain religions?

Did you read that as her accusing you of being a bigot and a racist?I hope not...at best its a badly worded statement,at worst she's making a blatant accusation.

Lets await the witty retort shall we!

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

True but due to them being white there was still in my opinion a lack of the label of them being terrorist .

Because it doesn't fit the OPs agenda on racism and discrimination against certain religions?

That's what this is really about after all.

We haven't all labelled a white man (who wasn't a terrorist) as a terrorist so we're all racist.

Whereas your motive is clear.

You clearly think that not calling this man, who wasn't a terrorist, a terrorist is double standards because he's white. That's what you've written.

You aren't after opinions or willing to learn because you continue to deny the definition of terrorism. It's a clear cut definition.

The pilot was not a terrorist. An act causing terror not necessarily terrorism.

The actions of the pilot were initially considered as potential terrorism but it was ruled out when the facts were established.

Those are the facts.

Continuing to argue this was terrorism speaks of a further agenda; that highlighted in your thread title.

Sorry to disappoint you but your post didn't mention the media at all.

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple
over a year ago

near cardiff

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

True but due to them being white there was still in my opinion a lack of the label of them being terrorist .

Because it doesn't fit the OPs agenda on racism and discrimination against certain religions?

That's what this is really about after all.

We haven't all labelled a white man (who wasn't a terrorist) as a terrorist so we're all racist.

Ha..that's fab for you.

It's full 'opinions'.

Don't expect an apology though...

That's not what he's saying.

His claim is that we all have double standards because we aren't branding the white man a terrorist whereas we (allegedly) would have called a brown man in the same situation a terrorist.

So no, I won't be apologising.

You may be happy with the allegation you have double standards and are racist but I'm not.

Do you need a hug or something??

I love it..I'm bored so I'll give you shit...sound justification there..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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"He was severely depressed, didn't they find loads of doctors papers ripped up at his home?

Illness or not he was a selfish prick, could have killed himself alone without having to take innocent people's lives with him. "

maybe he was a 'selfish prick' and his course of action only happened because he was ill..

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

True but due to them being white there was still in my opinion a lack of the label of them being terrorist .

Because it doesn't fit the OPs agenda on racism and discrimination against certain religions?

That's what this is really about after all.

We haven't all labelled a white man (who wasn't a terrorist) as a terrorist so we're all racist.

Whereas your motive is clear.

You clearly think that not calling this man, who wasn't a terrorist, a terrorist is double standards because he's white. That's what you've written.

You aren't after opinions or willing to learn because you continue to deny the definition of terrorism. It's a clear cut definition.

The pilot was not a terrorist. An act causing terror not necessarily terrorism.

The actions of the pilot were initially considered as potential terrorism but it was ruled out when the facts were established.

Those are the facts.

Continuing to argue this was terrorism speaks of a further agenda; that highlighted in your thread title.

Lol...

Virago is clearly correct with her accusation..you have a problem with certain religions

"Because it doesn't fit the OPs agenda on racism and discrimination against certain religions?

Did you read that as her accusing you of being a bigot and a racist?I hope not...at best its a badly worded statement,at worst she's making a blatant accusation.

Lets await the witty retort shall we!

If he did he read it as incorrectly as you did.

He's accusing us of being racists. Nobody has accused him of being racist.

Again, it's double standards, apparently that we're not calling this guy a terrorist because he's white. He's accusing us of being racist, not the other way round.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

True but due to them being white there was still in my opinion a lack of the label of them being terrorist .

Because it doesn't fit the OPs agenda on racism and discrimination against certain religions?

That's what this is really about after all.

We haven't all labelled a white man (who wasn't a terrorist) as a terrorist so we're all racist.

Ha..that's fab for you.

It's full 'opinions'.

Don't expect an apology though...

That's not what he's saying.

His claim is that we all have double standards because we aren't branding the white man a terrorist whereas we (allegedly) would have called a brown man in the same situation a terrorist.

So no, I won't be apologising.

You may be happy with the allegation you have double standards and are racist but I'm not.

Do you need a hug or something??

I love it..I'm bored so I'll give you shit...sound justification there.."

No, it's being suggested I'm racist and discriminate against certain religions which is what I'm arguing with.

We're supposed to condemn someone who wasn't a terrorist as being a terrorist to prove we don't have double standards? We're supposed to change the meaning of the word terrorist to what the OP thinks it means? I don't think so.

The OPs claims of double standards are out of order and insulting.

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over a year ago

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

True but due to them being white there was still in my opinion a lack of the label of them being terrorist .

Because it doesn't fit the OPs agenda on racism and discrimination against certain religions?

That's what this is really about after all.

We haven't all labelled a white man (who wasn't a terrorist) as a terrorist so we're all racist.

Ha..that's fab for you.

It's full 'opinions'.

Don't expect an apology though...

That's not what he's saying.

His claim is that we all have double standards because we aren't branding the white man a terrorist whereas we (allegedly) would have called a brown man in the same situation a terrorist.

So no, I won't be apologising.

You may be happy with the allegation you have double standards and are racist but I'm not.

Do you need a hug or something??

Please take friendly advice and don't take part it discussions you find boring,

My initial opinion may have been some what ignorant but I have enjoyed the discussion and learnt a lot from others on here , I honestly have no agenda just my first reaction was that of a double standard , and you dont have any right to say what someone else is thinking or interpret what they have said .

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By *ouvakMan
over a year ago

clacton on sea

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

True but due to them being white there was still in my opinion a lack of the label of them being terrorist .

Because it doesn't fit the OPs agenda on racism and discrimination against certain religions?

That's what this is really about after all.

We haven't all labelled a white man (who wasn't a terrorist) as a terrorist so we're all racist.

Ha..that's fab for you.

It's full 'opinions'.

Don't expect an apology though...

That's not what he's saying.

His claim is that we all have double standards because we aren't branding the white man a terrorist whereas we (allegedly) would have called a brown man in the same situation a terrorist.

So no, I won't be apologising.

You may be happy with the allegation you have double standards and are racist but I'm not.

Do you need a hug or something??

I love it..I'm bored so I'll give you shit...sound justification there..

No, it's being suggested I'm racist and discriminate against certain religions which is what I'm arguing with.

The OPs claims of double standards are out of order and insulting."

In my honest opinion I feel the OP is displaying double standards himself in that HE wants to see this pilot able a terrorist just because HE feels his act fit's his definition and not the accepted definition of the word TERRORIST, the pilot was a very ill person whom carried out an act of selfishness in causing others to suffer the same fate as himself with no reason

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over a year ago

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

True but due to them being white there was still in my opinion a lack of the label of them being terrorist .

Because it doesn't fit the OPs agenda on racism and discrimination against certain religions?

That's what this is really about after all.

We haven't all labelled a white man (who wasn't a terrorist) as a terrorist so we're all racist.

Whereas your motive is clear.

You clearly think that not calling this man, who wasn't a terrorist, a terrorist is double standards because he's white. That's what you've written.

You aren't after opinions or willing to learn because you continue to deny the definition of terrorism. It's a clear cut definition.

The pilot was not a terrorist. An act causing terror not necessarily terrorism.

The actions of the pilot were initially considered as potential terrorism but it was ruled out when the facts were established.

Those are the facts.

Continuing to argue this was terrorism speaks of a further agenda; that highlighted in your thread title.

Sorry to disappoint you but your post didn't mention the media at all."

Sorry for that assumed it was obvious as I don't have crystal balls and I'm not aware of other people's opinions .

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over a year ago

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

True but due to them being white there was still in my opinion a lack of the label of them being terrorist .

Because it doesn't fit the OPs agenda on racism and discrimination against certain religions?

That's what this is really about after all.

We haven't all labelled a white man (who wasn't a terrorist) as a terrorist so we're all racist.

Ha..that's fab for you.

It's full 'opinions'.

Don't expect an apology though...

That's not what he's saying.

His claim is that we all have double standards because we aren't branding the white man a terrorist whereas we (allegedly) would have called a brown man in the same situation a terrorist.

So no, I won't be apologising.

You may be happy with the allegation you have double standards and are racist but I'm not.

Do you need a hug or something??

I love it..I'm bored so I'll give you shit...sound justification there..

No, it's being suggested I'm racist and discriminate against certain religions which is what I'm arguing with.

The OPs claims of double standards are out of order and insulting.

It's not a double standard if that's how this event has made me feel then yes , to me rightly or wrongly the term was fitting .

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over a year ago

Sorry late to the debate but as so many have stated he wasn't a terrorist by the very definition!

the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

"the fight against terrorism"

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

True but due to them being white there was still in my opinion a lack of the label of them being terrorist .

Because it doesn't fit the OPs agenda on racism and discrimination against certain religions?

That's what this is really about after all.

We haven't all labelled a white man (who wasn't a terrorist) as a terrorist so we're all racist.

Ha..that's fab for you.

It's full 'opinions'.

Don't expect an apology though...

That's not what he's saying.

His claim is that we all have double standards because we aren't branding the white man a terrorist whereas we (allegedly) would have called a brown man in the same situation a terrorist.

So no, I won't be apologising.

You may be happy with the allegation you have double standards and are racist but I'm not.

Do you need a hug or something??

Please take friendly advice and don't take part it discussions you find boring,

The discrimination accusation is what's boring, not the thread.

I'm commenting on what you've written, not what you're thinking. I've never claimed to know what you're thinking, only what you've said.

In fact, you've suggested we should know what you're thinking because you say you were talking about the media rather than individuals, yet you didn't write that. But we're supposed to know?

Are we supposed to take your words as written and not interpret them, or are we supposed to know what you mean when you haven't said it? Make up your mind.

The allegation of double standards is insulting.

And with that I'm out before I say something I regret.

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By *onyneMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

"There doesn't appear to have been any religious, political or ideological motivation involved. Therefore he's not a terrorist. "

Yup...This is how I view this...there is nothing 'terror' related to it at all. The word is overused now and is designed [at least in part] to have us quaking in our boots every time we leave the house.

Some mass murderer types like to think they will achieve notoriety and will even invent their own nickname, which of course the press will leap on... There are serious issues these days with how these things are reported that do not help anyone except the press.

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By *ouvakMan
over a year ago

clacton on sea

""Please take friendly advice and don't take part it discussions you find boring,

You the OP opened this vast can of worms then have the cheek to accuse someone of interpreting your word's in their own way, you yourself OP are guilty of interpreting word's to suit your own purpose as in using the word terrorist to link it to the terror those poor people surely felt in their final moment's, it's cruel and unkind to the memory of the innocent to debate their terror as you have and relate it to act's of terrorism

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

True but due to them being white there was still in my opinion a lack of the label of them being terrorist .

Because it doesn't fit the OPs agenda on racism and discrimination against certain religions?

That's what this is really about after all.

We haven't all labelled a white man (who wasn't a terrorist) as a terrorist so we're all racist.

Ha..that's fab for you.

It's full 'opinions'.

Don't expect an apology though...

That's not what he's saying.

His claim is that we all have double standards because we aren't branding the white man a terrorist whereas we (allegedly) would have called a brown man in the same situation a terrorist.

So no, I won't be apologising.

You may be happy with the allegation you have double standards and are racist but I'm not.

Do you need a hug or something??

Please take friendly advice and don't take part it discussions you find boring,

The discrimination accusation is what's boring, not the thread.

I'm commenting on what you've written, not what you're thinking. I've never claimed to know what you're thinking, only what you've said.

In fact, you've suggested we should know what you're thinking because you say you were talking about the media rather than individuals, yet you didn't write that. But we're supposed to know?

Are we supposed to take your words as written and not interpret them, or are we supposed to know what you mean when you haven't said it? Make up your mind.

The allegation of double standards is insulting.

And with that I'm out before I say something I regret."

Please feel free to say what you want , we are all adults here, the thread had no intention of insulting anyone and I'm sorry if it did , I expressed more anger and emotion to the situation then i had of true understanding , this thread was useful in helping me understand the yet " terrorist " some people have been great others

clearly would prefer an argument .

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over a year ago

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

True but due to them being white there was still in my opinion a lack of the label of them being terrorist .

Because it doesn't fit the OPs agenda on racism and discrimination against certain religions?

That's what this is really about after all.

We haven't all labelled a white man (who wasn't a terrorist) as a terrorist so we're all racist.

Ha..that's fab for you.

It's full 'opinions'.

Don't expect an apology though...

That's not what he's saying.

His claim is that we all have double standards because we aren't branding the white man a terrorist whereas we (allegedly) would have called a brown man in the same situation a terrorist.

So no, I won't be apologising.

You may be happy with the allegation you have double standards and are racist but I'm not.

Do you need a hug or something??

Please take friendly advice and don't take part it discussions you find boring,

The discrimination accusation is what's boring, not the thread.

I'm commenting on what you've written, not what you're thinking. I've never claimed to know what you're thinking, only what you've said.

In fact, you've suggested we should know what you're thinking because you say you were talking about the media rather than individuals, yet you didn't write that. But we're supposed to know?

Are we supposed to take your words as written and not interpret them, or are we supposed to know what you mean when you haven't said it? Make up your mind.

The allegation of double standards is insulting.

And with that I'm out before I say something I regret.

clearly would prefer an argument . "

You've handled your point through this thread impeccably

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

SO people who are about to be murdered are not terrified then, meaning the murderer isn't terrifying them thus not a terrorist ... jeeeeeeezz

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple
over a year ago

near cardiff

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

True but due to them being white there was still in my opinion a lack of the label of them being terrorist .

Because it doesn't fit the OPs agenda on racism and discrimination against certain religions?

That's what this is really about after all.

We haven't all labelled a white man (who wasn't a terrorist) as a terrorist so we're all racist.

Whereas your motive is clear.

You clearly think that not calling this man, who wasn't a terrorist, a terrorist is double standards because he's white. That's what you've written.

You aren't after opinions or willing to learn because you continue to deny the definition of terrorism. It's a clear cut definition.

The pilot was not a terrorist. An act causing terror not necessarily terrorism.

The actions of the pilot were initially considered as potential terrorism but it was ruled out when the facts were established.

Those are the facts.

Continuing to argue this was terrorism speaks of a further agenda; that highlighted in your thread title.

Lol...

Virago is clearly correct with her accusation..you have a problem with certain religions

"Because it doesn't fit the OPs agenda on racism and discrimination against certain religions?

Did you read that as her accusing you of being a bigot and a racist?I hope not...at best its a badly worded statement,at worst she's making a blatant accusation.

Lets await the witty retort shall we!

If he did he read it as incorrectly as you did.

He's accusing us of being racists. Nobody has accused him of being racist.

Again, it's double standards, apparently that we're not calling this guy a terrorist because he's white. He's accusing us of being racist, not the other way round."

If you are thinking to yourself how wrong can _ath_neil_bifun be as they saying some stupid,and dull stuff I feel obliged to point out,as we are a couple, its me saying it,and being it,and not Cath..

Cath has the brains in this operation

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'm sure all the people felt pretty terrified before they died , regardless of political or religious agenda .

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

Words don't work that way. That isn't what terrorism means. It is in no way reducing the horror of the act by saying it is what it is, which is not terrorism.

So those people experienced horror, that doesn't make the perpetrator a "horrorist". It was a tragic event, that doesn't mean he was a "tragedist".

True but due to them being white there was still in my opinion a lack of the label of them being terrorist .

Because it doesn't fit the OPs agenda on racism and discrimination against certain religions?

That's what this is really about after all.

We haven't all labelled a white man (who wasn't a terrorist) as a terrorist so we're all racist.

Ha..that's fab for you.

It's full 'opinions'.

Don't expect an apology though...

That's not what he's saying.

His claim is that we all have double standards because we aren't branding the white man a terrorist whereas we (allegedly) would have called a brown man in the same situation a terrorist.

So no, I won't be apologising.

You may be happy with the allegation you have double standards and are racist but I'm not.

Do you need a hug or something??

Please take friendly advice and don't take part it discussions you find boring,

The discrimination accusation is what's boring, not the thread.

I'm commenting on what you've written, not what you're thinking. I've never claimed to know what you're thinking, only what you've said.

In fact, you've suggested we should know what you're thinking because you say you were talking about the media rather than individuals, yet you didn't write that. But we're supposed to know?

Are we supposed to take your words as written and not interpret them, or are we supposed to know what you mean when you haven't said it? Make up your mind.

The allegation of double standards is insulting.

And with that I'm out before I say something I regret.

clearly would prefer an argument .

You've handled your point through this thread impeccably

That's really kind , I can defiantly see room for improvement but I really appreciate you saying so . X

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"I was just thinking about this mass killing with the plane crash last week ,

I noticed there is a lack of the word terrorist used in this devastating situation ....

It leaves me to ponder would there have been more use of the word "terrorist"if the man had been brown or muslim ? "

I was thinking along similar lines. A white person commits a heinous act and excuses are made. It was depression, they had issues, can't believe it, something must have gone wrong!

If your skin tone is darker than "American tan" then words like terrorist, gangster, radicalised, monster etc follow.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Nope - regardless of colour/religion/race it would seem to be a person with mental health issues and not terror related "

See what I mean..."mental health issues".

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"I think that if he were brown skinned there would have been more speculation, the word count would have been much more terrorist related,, sadly that's how the media works "

Indeed!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The purpose of a terrorist is in the name. To cause terror and fear, that does not always involve killing.

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over a year ago

"I was just thinking about this mass killing with the plane crash last week ,

I noticed there is a lack of the word terrorist used in this devastating situation ....

It leaves me to ponder would there have been more use of the word "terrorist"if the man had been brown or muslim ? "

Due to the current sensitivities I have no doubt that the media reaction would have been a much stronger assumption of terrorism had the pilot been muslim and therefore there would have been more use of the word 'terrorism' by the media prior to finding out that the incident was most likely the act of a man with a severe mental illness.

Some media outlets did ask the question but not as many as I believe would have done had a muslim been in the cockpit.

Now that we have a better idea of the motive it is unlikely that the 'terrorist' label would have been used whatever the pilots religion much after the initial reaction.

The definition of terrorism has little to do with the initial assumption of terrorism. It's only when the facts come out that a decision can be made as to whether it was a terrorist act or not.

By then lots of newspapers have already been sold on the assumption.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If in doubt Google it.

If your still in doubt ask a friend.

Making fairly strongly worded comments on the forums is just inviting disaster especially when your so far off the mark.

I do like this thread but please stop quoting every comment in your reply as it makes it really hard to follow.

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By *dventuroususCouple
over a year ago

sunderland

By your definition then all murders are carried out by terrorists ??

No because some are not planned or cause "terror" as such .

SO people who are about to be murdered are not terrified then, meaning the murderer isn't terrifying them thus not a terrorist ... jeeeeeeezz

The word terrorist does not mean to terrify someone.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"I was just thinking about this mass killing with the plane crash last week ,

I noticed there is a lack of the word terrorist used in this devastating situation ....

It leaves me to ponder would there have been more use of the word "terrorist"if the man had been brown or muslim ?

I was thinking along similar lines. A white person commits a heinous act and excuses are made. It was depression, they had issues, can't believe it, something must have gone wrong!

If your skin tone is darker than "American tan" then words like terrorist, gangster, radicalised, monster etc follow. "

I am not saying it is right, but is that because of the world we live in at the moment? The first thing people think of when a tragedy occurs is I wonder if it is connected with ISIS etc,

Now of course the man could have been a terrorist whatever the colour of his skin, but up to now it sounds like he wasn't.

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over a year ago

"I was just thinking about this mass killing with the plane crash last week ,

I noticed there is a lack of the word terrorist used in this devastating situation ....

It leaves me to ponder would there have been more use of the word "terrorist"if the man had been brown or muslim ?

I was thinking along similar lines. A white person commits a heinous act and excuses are made. It was depression, they had issues, can't believe it, something must have gone wrong!

If your skin tone is darker than "American tan" then words like terrorist, gangster, radicalised, monster etc follow.

I am not saying it is right, but is that because of the world we live in at the moment? The first thing people think of when a tragedy occurs is I wonder if it is connected with ISIS etc,

Now of course the man could have been a terrorist whatever the colour of his skin, but up to now it sounds like he wasn't."

This is true , but there are plenty of terrorist attcks going on all round the world by loads of diffrent groups but the media chooses not to prit story's on them , for some reason they seem compelled to keep islamaphobia in the hearts of the masses .

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

I am not saying it is right, but is that because of the world we live in at the moment? The first thing people think of when a tragedy occurs is I wonder if it is connected with ISIS etc,

Now of course the man could have been a terrorist whatever the colour of his skin, but up to now it sounds like he wasn't."

This! I will admit that my first thought was along those lines (ISIS) and I agree it is likely to be a reflection of our experience over the past... decade or so. Perhaps really ever since 9/11?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Could you give us some recent examples?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Have you got some examples?

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O o O oo

I am not saying it is right, but is that because of the world we live in at the moment? The first thing people think of when a tragedy occurs is I wonder if it is connected with ISIS etc,

Now of course the man could have been a terrorist whatever the colour of his skin, but up to now it sounds like he wasn't.

This! I will admit that my first thought was along those lines (ISIS) and I agree it is likely to be a reflection of our experience over the past... decade or so. Perhaps really ever since 9/11? "

Yes

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"I was just thinking about this mass killing with the plane crash last week ,

I noticed there is a lack of the word terrorist used in this devastating situation ....

It leaves me to ponder would there have been more use of the word "terrorist"if the man had been brown or muslim ?

I was thinking along similar lines. A white person commits a heinous act and excuses are made. It was depression, they had issues, can't believe it, something must have gone wrong!

If your skin tone is darker than "American tan" then words like terrorist, gangster, radicalised, monster etc follow.

I am not saying it is right, but is that because of the world we live in at the moment? The first thing people think of when a tragedy occurs is I wonder if it is connected with ISIS etc,

Now of course the man could have been a terrorist whatever the colour of his skin, but up to now it sounds like he wasn't."

There is no denying the world has changed since 9/11. Any disaster nowadays you do think terrorist attack. My point was there appears to me, people bending over backwards to excuse this man, it was depression etc, thereby damming those that suffer depression as potential mass murderers.

A black person would have been labeled monster, savage, evil etc.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I was just thinking about this mass killing with the plane crash last week ,

I noticed there is a lack of the word terrorist used in this devastating situation ....

It leaves me to ponder would there have been more use of the word "terrorist"if the man had been brown or muslim ?

I was thinking along similar lines. A white person commits a heinous act and excuses are made. It was depression, they had issues, can't believe it, something must have gone wrong!

If your skin tone is darker than "American tan" then words like terrorist, gangster, radicalised, monster etc follow.

I am not saying it is right, but is that because of the world we live in at the moment? The first thing people think of when a tragedy occurs is I wonder if it is connected with ISIS etc,

Now of course the man could have been a terrorist whatever the colour of his skin, but up to now it sounds like he wasn't.

A black person would have been labeled monster, savage, evil etc."