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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

For David Miliband that is.

I don't usually have much interests in politics.

However, when Gordon Brown resigned/was booted out, I thought it was only a matter of formality before David Miliband would be elected as the party leader etc...

Hence I was surprised to hear he has lost the leadership contest to his younger, and less luminous brother.

Perhaps his brother came across as less arogant and more down to earth, which helped the wider public to warm to him?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I went to three hustings with all five candidates and two more with each of the Milibands. Andy Burnham's Glasgow husting was announced by SMS at 2 hours notice. If Diane came to Scotland on her own it was well kept secret.

Any of the fours guys could have done a good job as Labour leader and either of the Milibands could have made a great Prime Minister.

Ed's success was down to the vagaries of the electoral college.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester


"For David Miliband that is.

I don't usually have much interests in politics.

However, when Gordon Brown resigned/was booted out, I thought it was only a matter of formality before David Miliband would be elected as the party leader etc...

Hence I was surprised to hear he has lost the leadership contest to his younger, and less luminous brother.

Perhaps his brother came across as less arogant and more down to earth, which helped the wider public to warm to him?

"

The Trade Unions voted him in.... his own party didn't.. they voted for his brother (at least more did).

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By *histler21Man
over a year ago

Ipswich

Ed who? At least I have a grudging respect for David. I think he has the gravitas to do the business. Ed is (was) a non-entity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For David Miliband that is.

I don't usually have much interests in politics.

However, when Gordon Brown resigned/was booted out, I thought it was only a matter of formality before David Miliband would be elected as the party leader etc...

Hence I was surprised to hear he has lost the leadership contest to his younger, and less luminous brother.

Perhaps his brother came across as less arogant and more down to earth, which helped the wider public to warm to him?

The Trade Unions voted him in.... his own party didn't.. they voted for his brother (at least more did)."

Trade Union members voted him in. No block votes any more. All secret ballot. Individual members voted him in.

I didn't. I voted for David but Ed will have my 100% support as we continue to expose the Con-Dem lies.

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By *etillanteWoman
over a year ago

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I thought it was Wallace from Wallace and Grommit

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

Trade Unions and he was almost everybody's second choice vote, he kind of got in through the back door.

Good luck to him, the only way is up from here so at least he has that in his favour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I didn't. I voted for David but Ed will have my 100% support as we continue to expose the Con-Dem lies."

blah blah blah... I notice the unions were ever so quiet while Brown was busy bankrupting the country.

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By *ig badMan
over a year ago

Up North :-)

Its the Yorkshire connection!

2 party leaders based here so far! Just need Willy Hague (born in Rotherham)in for the Tory top job and we can start our blackpuding and flatcap domination

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Brown didn't bankrupt the country. Thew international financial crisis nearly busted the country and the banks. Brown's actions saved both.

Had Brown not acted as he did there'd have been a Monday morning a couple of years back when the cash machines wouldn't have had any money in them and the queues outside branches would have been thousands strong - trying to withdraw OTC cash which simply wasn't there.

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else


"Brown didn't bankrupt the country. "

Who sold the gold?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Brown didn't bankrupt the country.

Who sold the gold?"

Selling the gold was part of a diversifing strategy which has since been proven to be the correct move.

Could it have been sold later for more money? Probably yes but you could apply the same argument to people selling their homes.

If they wait a few years will they get more money for it? Probably yes but if you need a bigger house or a house in a different town NOW, then now is when you have to sell.

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

How is having no gold "diversifying"?

That's less streams of investment, not more.

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else


"Probably yes but if you need a bigger house or a house in a different town NOW, then now is when you have to sell."

Where are we moving to?

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By *andcCouple
over a year ago

London and Cheshire

Ed's the best news I've heard in ages, hope he goes to the left, then he'll have no chance of getting in! What ever the left think, center politics is here to stay!

If you want left wing try North Korea, or Cuba, lovely paces if you like FUCK ALL!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Probably yes but if you need a bigger house or a house in a different town NOW, then now is when you have to sell.

Where are we moving to? "

I think I spot the flaw in his daft analogy. hehehe..

Why are Labour supporters in denial over the mess the last govt left this coutnry in? The overwhelming evidence is staring us in the face in the shape of the looming cuts about to come. Even the Labour party itself are now admitting it would have had to make cuts sooner rather than next year as Brown declared in his election pledges. The Milibands were arguing about the level of cuts that are needed NOW in THEIR very recent leadership election campaigns. To continue to deny that the previous administration left this country almost bankrupt shows you up as a delusionist. It also shows your arguments to be completely flawed and thus negates most of what you have to say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

13 years of New Liebour ruination has left this country in the biggest mess ever. With every election pledge broken, our tax burden is now 150% higher than when Blair grinned his way into No.10 back in May '97, when you consider average incomes have only risen by 60% in the same timescale even the most adamant of Labourites would surely have to concede that the British taxpayer has got very poor value for money under the Blair/Brown administration.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"13 years of New Liebour ruination has left this country in the biggest mess ever. With every election pledge broken, our tax burden is now 150% higher than when Blair grinned his way into No.10 back in May '97, when you consider average incomes have only risen by 60% in the same timescale even the most adamant of Labourites would surely have to concede that the British taxpayer has got very poor value for money under the Blair/Brown administration."

Sorry, but did you say "Labour supporters" and "concede Labour mistakes" ... in the same sentence???

It'll snow in Hell before that happens.

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By *ollie_JCouple
over a year ago

London

This was getting an exciting debate.. Any chance, and maybe not for me to say, that we can tone down the language, so i for one can hear all the arguments

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tony Blair is a very intelligent fellow. He would never acknowledge a mistake, in case he would be forced to actually do something about it. Instead, we would get a carefully worded, evasive statement...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How is having no gold "diversifying"?

That's less streams of investment, not more.

"

It wasn't about having 'no' gold. Gordon only sold about half. The proceeds were reinvested - quite a bit into Euros.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How is having no gold "diversifying"?

That's less streams of investment, not more.

It wasn't about having 'no' gold. Gordon only sold about half. The proceeds were reinvested - quite a bit into Euros."

Gordon Brown hell bent on going out with a financial bang announces a fire sale of British assets to the tune of £16 billion in exchange for a short pause (1 month?) to the size of the growing debt mountain rather than seek to cut public spending in an election year. Gordon Brown an expert at selling British assets at the worst possible price as evidenced by the sale of 50% of Britain's gold reserves virtually at the Gold bear market bottom price of $252, which has subsequently more than quadrupled to $1050.

Google 'browns gold firesale' and click on the Market Oracle link.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gordon Brown selling half our gold reserves for mainly Euros is no more than exchanging 24 carat gold for paper

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else


"Gordon Brown selling half our gold reserves for mainly Euros is no more than exchanging 24 carat gold for paper"

This metaphor is too complicated for my small brain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ah, it's all ok now. Ed the Red has junked Labour's past and declared yet another New Labour dawn.

Well, that's alrighty then eh comrade, let's just forget everything your party did only just recently cos there's a new kid on the block now and you're in no way responsible for any of it.

God help us if the electorate buy into this spin and vore for the prat in 5 years time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh right. So New Liebour is dead. Please let us all embrace New, New Liebour....!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

oh yes deiling, lets

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