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"Trying to navigate my way through the minefield of spying software! Anyone had any luck with spying on their kids? Especially iMessage and whatsapp. He's got an iPhone if that helps xx" I'm in two minds about this.. I want to make sure my lad's safe but then again - at 13, he needs to develop his own safety/self aware skills as he enters adulthood. I'd have loathed the feeling of knowing my parents spied on me had they done so. It's all about trust and letting your kids know what's appropriate and what isn't. Spying on them will only make them secretive S x | |||
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"How old is he ? " 27 | |||
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"Depending on his age why don't you just randomly ask him to hand it over so you can look. When my son was younger that was the condition for his facebook, BBM accounts etc that I had the password & could look when I wanted to. And you do know there's software that counteracts the spyware stuff,not quite sure how it works but saw it on a blog." This There has to be mutual trust with a caveat that you can take a look at what he is doing at any time or the phone is no more. Kids are very tech savvy these days so whatever you do they will find a way around it. The only true way of keeping your son safe online is to move across the pond and join the Amish Community! (tongue firmly in cheek btw) It was very hard to let our son and daughter have the independence and technology at such a young age but eventually it all comes down to trust. If he finds any good porn sites can you post them on here please? (tongue wedged in cheek still) | |||
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"Depending on his age why don't you just randomly ask him to hand it over so you can look. When my son was younger that was the condition for his facebook, BBM accounts etc that I had the password & could look when I wanted to. And you do know there's software that counteracts the spyware stuff,not quite sure how it works but saw it on a blog. This There has to be mutual trust with a caveat that you can take a look at what he is doing at any time or the phone is no more. Kids are very tech savvy these days so whatever you do they will find a way around it. The only true way of keeping your son safe online is to move across the pond and join the Amish Community! (tongue firmly in cheek btw) It was very hard to let our son and daughter have the independence and technology at such a young age but eventually it all comes down to trust. If he finds any good porn sites can you post them on here please? (tongue wedged in cheek still) " When the ex wife and I split 13 years ago I bought our eldest a phone so the kids could contact me anytime they wished and vice versa. I used to randomly take his phone off him to check the contents with the comment that I pay for it to override any of his objections. On one occasion when he was about 14 he was really reluctant to let me have it, this was due to him having lesbian porn video clips. I just smiled and Bluetoothed them to my phone. I didn't spy on my children, that's underhand, but I did ask to have access to whatever they had. Yes, trust your children, to an extent. But also remember the kid of stuff you got up to that your parents weren't aware of. | |||
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"How old is he ? 27" Is he Ronnie Corbett in Sorry! | |||
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"Depending on his age why don't you just randomly ask him to hand it over so you can look. When my son was younger that was the condition for his facebook, BBM accounts etc that I had the password & could look when I wanted to. And you do know there's software that counteracts the spyware stuff,not quite sure how it works but saw it on a blog. This There has to be mutual trust with a caveat that you can take a look at what he is doing at any time or the phone is no more. Kids are very tech savvy these days so whatever you do they will find a way around it. The only true way of keeping your son safe online is to move across the pond and join the Amish Community! (tongue firmly in cheek btw) It was very hard to let our son and daughter have the independence and technology at such a young age but eventually it all comes down to trust. If he finds any good porn sites can you post them on here please? (tongue wedged in cheek still) When the ex wife and I split 13 years ago I bought our eldest a phone so the kids could contact me anytime they wished and vice versa. I used to randomly take his phone off him to check the contents with the comment that I pay for it to override any of his objections. On one occasion when he was about 14 he was really reluctant to let me have it, this was due to him having lesbian porn video clips. I just smiled and Bluetoothed them to my phone. I didn't spy on my children, that's underhand, but I did ask to have access to whatever they had. Yes, trust your children, to an extent. But also remember the kid of stuff you got up to that your parents weren't aware of." Lol @ lesbian porn haha! Bless em, they are entitled to some privacy and you handled it perfectly S x | |||
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"Trying to navigate my way through the minefield of spying software! Anyone had any luck with spying on their kids? Especially iMessage and whatsapp. He's got an iPhone if that helps xx" If you cannot trust them to use the phone why let them have the phone in the first place? | |||
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"Thanks for all your messages but, getting back to the question.....has anyone actually used this spyware software and what worked for you? Thanks" No I haven't. Sorry | |||
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"Major risk with any spy software You are allowing the makers to have access to your phone or laptop depending where you load the software... This Means the makers can have remote access to your device allowing them to get to personal details please be careful these softwares are to cope you out as well. Hackers are cunning in what they do " Bang on | |||
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"Again, please all stop assuming i have access to the child or the phone! We share an icloud account if that helps." People responded based on the information given. If more information were given then perhaps responses would be different. For instance, more information is needed regarding you do not have access to the child, cos that reads as decidedly dodgy. | |||
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"Again, please all stop assuming i have access to the child or the phone! We share an icloud account if that helps. People responded based on the information given. If more information were given then perhaps responses would be different. For instance, more information is needed regarding you do not have access to the child, cos that reads as decidedly dodgy. " Could be attempts to spy on a partner, not a child. | |||
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"How old is he ? 27 Is he Ronnie Corbett in Sorry! " Timothy Her | |||
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"Again, please all stop assuming i have access to the child or the phone! We share an icloud account if that helps." In that case shouldn't you have access to the devices that use it or at least the passwords etc.? I'm only going on limited experience but I can see what's held on icloud on my devices. | |||
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"All else aside sometimes it is necessary to find out what your kids are up to or planning to do. It would be lovely if we could all have a relationships with our teenage children in which communication took place on an adult level, compromise could be reached and boundaries set and observed but that doesn't always happen. I don't agree with checking up on your kids from the off but there can be circumstances where it can save bad things from happening." True, but you have to look at the morality of an action in isolation. There can be circumstances where murder can stop bad things from happening.. | |||
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"homelife as a child wasnt the best - i kept a huge foolscap diary and wrote all my emotions in it - moved it about - reading the beginning of the first page you would know it was private - my mum found it - read it - got my dad home from work - caused a huge drama all about her - they were just my feelings i had no outlet for and just banged more nails in the coffin of our relationship - there was nothing going on that would have given them cause to be worried about me like a drugs problem and needed to see for themselves if that sortof stuff was going on - i promised myself that i would never ever do the same to my kids and i havent - all kids do and say stuff parents disapprove of to a point anyway " This is how I feel about snooping in general because once something has been discovered there's no going back. | |||
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"As the parent of a 15 year old run away my opinion might be biased. Neither of us would ever dream of intruding on our children's emotional privacy but sometimes you need to know they are mixing with and where. " Yes I can understand that side too, same age as mine. trying to do the best for your children is like trying to navigate through a minefield at times!! | |||
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"I take control of my 15 year old daughters internet access condemn me or not. she had a facebook account ( deleted now) i found a grown man posing as a child, so yes what may of happened if i did not intervene, god forbid, maybe a meet over a park or something and no daughter now, who knows. So yes i check her internet access at any random moment and explained why. My thinking is i would rather her think " oh thanks at lot mum"or words to that effect, than not not know what the hell is going on. The internet can be a dangerous place like the outside world. Parents want to know where the kids are going and what they are up to. To me this is no different. Her" If she wants "unrestricted" access to the internet, which most 15 year olds do she will find a way. | |||
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"I take control of my 15 year old daughters internet access condemn me or not. she had a facebook account ( deleted now) i found a grown man posing as a child, so yes what may of happened if i did not intervene, god forbid, maybe a meet over a park or something and no daughter now, who knows. So yes i check her internet access at any random moment and explained why. My thinking is i would rather her think " oh thanks at lot mum"or words to that effect, than not not know what the hell is going on. The internet can be a dangerous place like the outside world. Parents want to know where the kids are going and what they are up to. To me this is no different. Her If she wants "unrestricted" access to the internet, which most 15 year olds do she will find a way. " True, but at least Luvesmuffin is making an effort to take his/her parental responsibilities seriously. | |||
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"I take control of my 15 year old daughters internet access condemn me or not. she had a facebook account ( deleted now) i found a grown man posing as a child, so yes what may of happened if i did not intervene, god forbid, maybe a meet over a park or something and no daughter now, who knows. So yes i check her internet access at any random moment and explained why. My thinking is i would rather her think " oh thanks at lot mum"or words to that effect, than not not know what the hell is going on. The internet can be a dangerous place like the outside world. Parents want to know where the kids are going and what they are up to. To me this is no different. Her If she wants "unrestricted" access to the internet, which most 15 year olds do she will find a way. " I agree!but i just was so thankful i see that what i did at the time, if i had turned a blind eye to what is going..who knows..you cant watch everything, intervention is better than cure. Her | |||
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"I take control of my 15 year old daughters internet access condemn me or not. she had a facebook account ( deleted now) i found a grown man posing as a child, so yes what may of happened if i did not intervene, god forbid, maybe a meet over a park or something and no daughter now, who knows. So yes i check her internet access at any random moment and explained why. My thinking is i would rather her think " oh thanks at lot mum"or words to that effect, than not not know what the hell is going on. The internet can be a dangerous place like the outside world. Parents want to know where the kids are going and what they are up to. To me this is no different. Her If she wants "unrestricted" access to the internet, which most 15 year olds do she will find a way. True, but at least Luvesmuffin is making an effort to take his/her parental responsibilities seriously." Thankyou. Her | |||
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"I think there is a big difference between random "spot checks" and installing spyware. To me its about open and honest dialogue. When my son is old enough, I will be doing spot checks on internet and phone. If I pay for it, I can check it whenever I wish. If he isn't happy with those rules, then he won't get access." Yep this is what I do. Thankfully my son and I have a pretty open relationship and he knows he can come to me about absolutely anything, but doesn't mean he always will. So eavesdropping is essential at times I guess. S x | |||
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"I take control of my 15 year old daughters internet access condemn me or not. she had a facebook account ( deleted now) i found a grown man posing as a child, so yes what may of happened if i did not intervene, god forbid, maybe a meet over a park or something and no daughter now, who knows. So yes i check her internet access at any random moment and explained why. My thinking is i would rather her think " oh thanks at lot mum"or words to that effect, than not not know what the hell is going on. The internet can be a dangerous place like the outside world. Parents want to know where the kids are going and what they are up to. To me this is no different. Her If she wants "unrestricted" access to the internet, which most 15 year olds do she will find a way. " That's no reason to do nothing where you can. | |||
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"I think there is a big difference between random "spot checks" and installing spyware. To me its about open and honest dialogue. When my son is old enough, I will be doing spot checks on internet and phone. If I pay for it, I can check it whenever I wish. If he isn't happy with those rules, then he won't get access." I agree there's a huge difference. Dialogue implies that both people are engaging that isn't always the case with teenagers. I would have loved that text book ideal of open, honest parents who the teen feels they can tell everything and its discussed in a non judgemental way. Unfortunately for us the reality was somewhat different. We are proud parents of well rounded, twenty somethings now who we have great relationships with but I never want to go through the teenage years again it was difficult, lonely and a lot of heartache for all concerned. | |||
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"I take control of my 15 year old daughters internet access condemn me or not. she had a facebook account ( deleted now) i found a grown man posing as a child, so yes what may of happened if i did not intervene, god forbid, maybe a meet over a park or something and no daughter now, who knows. So yes i check her internet access at any random moment and explained why. My thinking is i would rather her think " oh thanks at lot mum"or words to that effect, than not not know what the hell is going on. The internet can be a dangerous place like the outside world. Parents want to know where the kids are going and what they are up to. To me this is no different. Her If she wants "unrestricted" access to the internet, which most 15 year olds do she will find a way. That's no reason to do nothing where you can." Yes but it will come back and bite you on the ass when the arguments about trust inevitably occur. Teenagers these days are far too tech savvi to be worried about the attempts we as parents try doing to restrict access to anything. Open and honest dialogue with a clear understanding that whatever they are accessing can be looked at any time is what worked for us. Obviously we were concerned about the scum trawling the net for unsuspecting kids but we made ours aware of everything and gave them information to help them avoid falling into these traps. It must be very hard for parents who are not so up to date on technology though. Lets Be Careful Out There | |||
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"I think there is a big difference between random "spot checks" and installing spyware. To me its about open and honest dialogue. When my son is old enough, I will be doing spot checks on internet and phone. If I pay for it, I can check it whenever I wish. If he isn't happy with those rules, then he won't get access. I agree there's a huge difference. Dialogue implies that both people are engaging that isn't always the case with teenagers. I would have loved that text book ideal of open, honest parents who the teen feels they can tell everything and its discussed in a non judgemental way. Unfortunately for us the reality was somewhat different. We are proud parents of well rounded, twenty somethings now who we have great relationships with but I never want to go through the teenage years again it was difficult, lonely and a lot of heartache for all concerned. " Oh, I completely understand difficult relationships with parents. My elder sister put my parents through hell as a teenager. I can clearly remember the pain that we all went through because of it all. | |||
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"It could well do bite me on the arse, I would rather that than something happen to her where i was not keeping close watch. I would never forgive myself, kids are found in the hands of allsorts, even commit suicide because of online bullying. So yes i will take the flack than any of the above. Her" Sorry I wasn't giving you flack as you put it. Just sharing our opinion and experience. Of course you must do whatever you feel necessary to keep your kids safe. | |||
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"It could well do bite me on the arse, I would rather that than something happen to her where i was not keeping close watch. I would never forgive myself, kids are found in the hands of allsorts, even commit suicide because of online bullying. So yes i will take the flack than any of the above. Her Sorry I wasn't giving you flack as you put it. Just sharing our opinion and experience. Of course you must do whatever you feel necessary to keep your kids safe." Oh i know, i meant flack from my daughter,she may have gritted teeth when i do this, but after the facebook incident she understands why i do it. Her | |||
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"I take control of my 15 year old daughters internet access condemn me or not. she had a facebook account ( deleted now) i found a grown man posing as a child, so yes what may of happened if i did not intervene, god forbid, maybe a meet over a park or something and no daughter now, who knows. So yes i check her internet access at any random moment and explained why. My thinking is i would rather her think " oh thanks at lot mum"or words to that effect, than not not know what the hell is going on. The internet can be a dangerous place like the outside world. Parents want to know where the kids are going and what they are up to. To me this is no different. Her If she wants "unrestricted" access to the internet, which most 15 year olds do she will find a way. That's no reason to do nothing where you can. Yes but it will come back and bite you on the ass when the arguments about trust inevitably occur. Teenagers these days are far too tech savvi to be worried about the attempts we as parents try doing to restrict access to anything. Open and honest dialogue with a clear understanding that whatever they are accessing can be looked at any time is what worked for us. Obviously we were concerned about the scum trawling the net for unsuspecting kids but we made ours aware of everything and gave them information to help them avoid falling into these traps. It must be very hard for parents who are not so up to date on technology though. Lets Be Careful Out There " We were and still are more than adequately tech savvy and gave both our kids the information they needed constantly reminding them that they could tell us anything, we had heard it all before,nothing could shock us blah blah blah. It didn't work for us but thank god we were aware enough of what was going on to avoid a potentially grim situation. There is no right way only the way that works for you. | |||
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"Just out of interest, would you support the schools of your children having a compulsory online learning tool to be taken say twice a year outlining what is and isn't appropriate with regard to use of technology and social media? To cover legalities, bullying, age appropriate content etc?" I would support that if the time and the funding allowed it but I would also urge parents to become far more aware of what their children are capable of and being exposed to, I don't think that many are and I also think that lots of parents think their kids wouldn't do such things. | |||
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"We would top up our kids phones with a tenner at Christmas, send them to school every day wearing boxing gloves and at the end of the year they didn't get in trouble and we still had a tenner credit. Winner winner!" | |||
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"I'm still mystified that the op doesn't have access to the child or the phone.....or did I miss that bit? If there is no formal contact or indeed a court ordered denial of contact then really it isn't any of the OPs business knowing what the child uses their phone for. " Because this wasn't really about a child, this is purely about spying on someone and making it look like it's an inmocent action when really it's more about how to catch some bloke out... Although, some good info exchanged on the technology/possibilities etc | |||
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"I'm still mystified that the op doesn't have access to the child or the phone.....or did I miss that bit? If there is no formal contact or indeed a court ordered denial of contact then really it isn't any of the OPs business knowing what the child uses their phone for. Because this wasn't really about a child, this is purely about spying on someone and making it look like it's an inmocent action when really it's more about how to catch some bloke out... Although, some good info exchanged on the technology/possibilities etc " I'm far too innocent for this place | |||
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