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"Clarkson and Tymon both gave evidence yesterday. Wonder how long it will take the Beeb to now come up with a decision " Spose it depends on their lawyers and whether they can keep Danny Cohen out of the decision making. | |||
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"Too much internal politics involved for it to be impartial " Not least that Cohen has a hard-on for being the man that brought down Clarkson irrespective of what's best for the BBC and license payers. | |||
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"Just been reported that the Beeb had to cancel the three remaining shows when Hammond and May refused to record them while Clarkson was suspended. The Beeb wanted to transit the shows with the already prerecorded clips and Hammond and May in the studios. The Beeb was told all three presenters or nothing. " . good!!!! | |||
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"I cant see what the beeb can do, however popular someone is if they are on a final warning and then go and hit another member of staff surely that's it?? Bring on Alan Partridge!" Smell my cheese..... SMELL IT  | |||
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"I cant see what the beeb can do, however popular someone is if they are on a final warning and then go and hit another member of staff surely that's it??" You forgot the word 'allegedly'. | |||
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"Good on May and Hammond! Wonder if the production team have worked out that they are also all out of work too. "They probably are; that's how television works. So is that down to Hammond and May for refusing to honour their commitment to their contract for the remaining shows? The production and post-production crews, the office staff associated with the show all of whom expected to have work to the end of the month. I say again it was reasonable to suspend Clarkson and to investigate the allegation. Making it an all in it together, all or nothing cause celebres just shows how little regard the "talent" have for the lower paid, often freelance, colleagues. | |||
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"Bring on Alan Partridge" Well that'll certainly make sure that I'd never watch the show ever again. | |||
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"Good on May and Hammond! Wonder if the production team have worked out that they are also all out of work too.
They probably are; that's how television works.
So is that down to Hammond and May for refusing to honour their commitment to their contract for the remaining shows? The production and post-production crews, the office staff associated with the show all of whom expected to have work to the end of the month.
I say again it was reasonable to suspend Clarkson and to investigate the allegation. Making it an all in it together, all or nothing cause celebres just shows how little regard the "talent" have for the lower paid, often freelance, colleagues.
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"Good on May and Hammond! Wonder if the production team have worked out that they are also all out of work too.
They probably are; that's how television works.
So is that down to Hammond and May for refusing to honour their commitment to their contract for the remaining shows? The production and post-production crews, the office staff associated with the show all of whom expected to have work to the end of the month.
I say again it was reasonable to suspend Clarkson and to investigate the allegation. Making it an all in it together, all or nothing cause celebres just shows how little regard the "talent" have for the lower paid, often freelance, colleagues.
"alternate viewpoint is they are supporting a wronged colleague Don't let your bias affect your viewpoint | |||
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"I cant see what the beeb can do, however popular someone is if they are on a final warning and then go and hit another member of staff surely that's it?? Bring on Alan Partridge!" Modern life is the bane of men and real characters. Too much PC sensitivity and two faced cowardice. Love him or hate him, Clarkson is a character and character goes along way. The number if signatures has proved that. The others involved are grey and boring 'yes' men, non-descript, who've been made famous because of Clarkson. Clarkson is too big for the tin-pot BBC to handle. | |||
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"If this event was between John Smith and Fred Jones on a building site no one would have given a flying shit. Clarkson, whatever you think of him, is a clear target for the Hyper PC brigade. Personally I would have said to the assistant producer "How much?" and sorted it. He obviously was not hurt or anything. Worse things happen ever day in pubs and on the games field. In the past "Stars" of film and TV have had assistant producers and others sacked for far less. I am just tired of this now. Get Top Gear back so we don't have to pay £30 million more in licence fees because of lost profit. PS Good on May and Hammond for standing by Clarkson" | |||
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"And if Hammond and may refuse to work, they'll get the chop through contractual obligations too. the death of top gear!!! Hurrah " Why so happy, 5m+ people in the UK and hundreds of millions around the world enjoy the show, if you don't want to watch it, don't and it won't have any impact on your life whatsoever. I personally don't like Eastenders so don't watch it, but I would be sad to see it finish as it gives pleasure to the 10m+ people who do watch it. The great thing about TV is there is plenty of diversity, so focus on what you like. | |||
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 the sooner this is resolved the better so people can stop taking about him | |||
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"If this event was between John Smith and Fred Jones on a building site no one would have given a flying shit. Clarkson, whatever you think of him, is a clear target for the Hyper PC brigade. Personally I would have said to the assistant producer "How much?" and sorted it. He obviously was not hurt or anything. Worse things happen ever day in pubs and on the games field. In the past "Stars" of film and TV have had assistant producers and others sacked for far less. I am just tired of this now. Get Top Gear back so we don't have to pay £30 million more in licence fees because of lost profit. PS Good on May and Hammond for standing by Clarkson" jolly well said | |||
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"I hate Jeremy Clarkson, and I am NOT part if the so called PC Brigade either. That man, in my opinion, is a bell end. And if I had hit one of my colleagues I wud have been sacked and rightly so. I hope the BBC make an example of him and hoof him out on his ass. Girl, bye! " don't think he'd worry too much,he'd be snapped up in no time by ch5....ah 5th gear returns! | |||
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"Good on May and Hammond! Wonder if the production team have worked out that they are also all out of work too.
They probably are; that's how television works.
So is that down to Hammond and May for refusing to honour their commitment to their contract for the remaining shows? The production and post-production crews, the office staff associated with the show all of whom expected to have work to the end of the month.
I say again it was reasonable to suspend Clarkson and to investigate the allegation. Making it an all in it together, all or nothing cause celebres just shows how little regard the "talent" have for the lower paid, often freelance, colleagues.
alternate viewpoint is they are supporting a wronged colleague
Don't let your bias affect your viewpoint "Right back at you. My bias is towards not ever using verbal or physical violence. My bias is towards an allegation being investigated without the pressure of mob rule or colleagues putting pressure on management to make it go away. Supporting a wronged colleague by downing tools is fine but when it stops all the other colleagues from earning their living and they have no say in it... Smacks of two legs bad four legs good to me and there they are on their hind legs. | |||
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"one thought on the whole episode why weren't the police called in when it first happened then it would have been out of the bbc's hands, and why did the assistant not report it, "I have wondered this too but I also know lots of things don't get reported to the police. | |||
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"Good on May and Hammond! Wonder if the production team have worked out that they are also all out of work too.
They probably are; that's how television works.
So is that down to Hammond and May for refusing to honour their commitment to their contract for the remaining shows? The production and post-production crews, the office staff associated with the show all of whom expected to have work to the end of the month.
I say again it was reasonable to suspend Clarkson and to investigate the allegation. Making it an all in it together, all or nothing cause celebres just shows how little regard the "talent" have for the lower paid, often freelance, colleagues.
alternate viewpoint is they are supporting a wronged colleague
Don't let your bias affect your viewpoint
Right back at you. My bias is towards not ever using verbal or physical violence. My bias is towards an allegation being investigated without the pressure of mob rule or colleagues putting pressure on management to make it go away.
Supporting a wronged colleague by downing tools is fine but when it stops all the other colleagues from earning their living and they have no say in it... Smacks of two legs bad four legs good to me and there they are on their hind legs.
"Not too dissimilar from RMT action everytime a member is sanctioned for wrong doing (like driving a tube while under the influence of alcohol)! | |||
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"Good on May and Hammond! Wonder if the production team have worked out that they are also all out of work too.
They probably are; that's how television works.
So is that down to Hammond and May for refusing to honour their commitment to their contract for the remaining shows? The production and post-production crews, the office staff associated with the show all of whom expected to have work to the end of the month.
I say again it was reasonable to suspend Clarkson and to investigate the allegation. Making it an all in it together, all or nothing cause celebres just shows how little regard the "talent" have for the lower paid, often freelance, colleagues.
alternate viewpoint is they are supporting a wronged colleague
Don't let your bias affect your viewpoint
Right back at you. My bias is towards not ever using verbal or physical violence. My bias is towards an allegation being investigated without the pressure of mob rule or colleagues putting pressure on management to make it go away.
Supporting a wronged colleague by downing tools is fine but when it stops all the other colleagues from earning their living and they have no say in it... Smacks of two legs bad four legs good to me and there they are on their hind legs.
Not too dissimilar from RMT action everytime a member is sanctioned for wrong doing (like driving a tube while under the influence of alcohol)!"And I don't condone that either. This debate has come down to only doing what others do. That's not good enough or a justification. | |||
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"Good on May and Hammond! Wonder if the production team have worked out that they are also all out of work too.
They probably are; that's how television works.
So is that down to Hammond and May for refusing to honour their commitment to their contract for the remaining shows? The production and post-production crews, the office staff associated with the show all of whom expected to have work to the end of the month.
I say again it was reasonable to suspend Clarkson and to investigate the allegation. Making it an all in it together, all or nothing cause celebres just shows how little regard the "talent" have for the lower paid, often freelance, colleagues.
alternate viewpoint is they are supporting a wronged colleague
Don't let your bias affect your viewpoint
Right back at you. My bias is towards not ever using verbal or physical violence. My bias is towards an allegation being investigated without the pressure of mob rule or colleagues putting pressure on management to make it go away.
Supporting a wronged colleague by downing tools is fine but when it stops all the other colleagues from earning their living and they have no say in it... Smacks of two legs bad four legs good to me and there they are on their hind legs.
Not too dissimilar from RMT action everytime a member is sanctioned for wrong doing (like driving a tube while under the influence of alcohol)!
And I don't condone that either.
This debate has come down to only doing what others do. That's not good enough or a justification.
"Maybe it is naïve, but if this was a serious incident it should have been dealt with by the police, and if it was a minor incident it should have been dealt with behind closed doors. | |||
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" Supporting a wronged colleague by downing tools is fine but when it stops all the other colleagues from earning their living and they have no say in it... Smacks of two legs bad four legs good to me and there they are on their hind legs. Not too dissimilar from RMT action everytime a member is sanctioned for wrong doing (like driving a tube while under the influence of alcohol)! And I don't condone that either. This debate has come down to only doing what others do. That's not good enough or a justification. Maybe it is naïve, but if this was a serious incident it should have been dealt with by the police, and if it was a minor incident it should have been dealt with behind closed doors." I have had to deal with a similar incident in a workplace. As the most senior member of staff I had to deal with it according to the procedures. Neither party wanted to press criminal assault charges so no police involvement. Dealing with it behind closed doors is never an option if there are witnesses as these things come back to bite you later. Following the stated procedures is the only sensible thing to do. That is all that I have been advocating on these threads. I keep saying it because I am surprise and appalled that so many people on these threads are making comments that suggest they believe that is wrong. He's been suspended, there is an investigation, there will be some sort of outcome. A mob demanding his reinstatement, his colleagues downing tools in support to force a decision in his favour should not sway following the procedures. The likely outcome will probably some sort of compromise agreement and pay off in all sorts of directions, which isn't ideal after all the furore but it probably makes business sense. | |||
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" Supporting a wronged colleague by downing tools is fine but when it stops all the other colleagues from earning their living and they have no say in it... Smacks of two legs bad four legs good to me and there they are on their hind legs. Not too dissimilar from RMT action everytime a member is sanctioned for wrong doing (like driving a tube while under the influence of alcohol)! And I don't condone that either. This debate has come down to only doing what others do. That's not good enough or a justification. Maybe it is naïve, but if this was a serious incident it should have been dealt with by the police, and if it was a minor incident it should have been dealt with behind closed doors. I have had to deal with a similar incident in a workplace. As the most senior member of staff I had to deal with it according to the procedures. Neither party wanted to press criminal assault charges so no police involvement. Dealing with it behind closed doors is never an option if there are witnesses as these things come back to bite you later. Following the stated procedures is the only sensible thing to do. That is all that I have been advocating on these threads. I keep saying it because I am surprise and appalled that so many people on these threads are making comments that suggest they believe that is wrong. He's been suspended, there is an investigation, there will be some sort of outcome. A mob demanding his reinstatement, his colleagues downing tools in support to force a decision in his favour should not sway following the procedures. The likely outcome will probably some sort of compromise agreement and pay off in all sorts of directions, which isn't ideal after all the furore but it probably makes business sense. " You are as always right. I suppose when the impact of a suspension is the cancelling of one of the most popular shows in the world, it will attract a huge amount of media attention. I too had to deal with a not dissimilar incident, also in a high profile media context, but in that case managed to keep the matter within the company. What I didn't do was suspend the individual concerned, I did a full investigation without having to do that. Perhaps the Beeb might have been well advised to think through their options before creating a situation which has now got way out of hand. | |||
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"You stick with the lies hype and hysterical witch hunts. You obviously know all the facts about the suspended underground driver too. The alcohol levels for train drivers are far lower than for car drivers. Like the fact that the driver is diabetic. The test was administered incorrectly and not according to to TFL guidelines. The test was partially administered by a non qualified TFL employee who wasn't supervised or authorised to take the test. All of the above can affect the outcome of the test and cause false readings. After the test, TFL did not follow the correct procedures in disciplining the employee. The case has been to a binding tribunal which has found in favour of the employee and states the he should be reinstated. TFL have failed to do this. TFL have also sacked another staff member that has a mild but stable heart condition contrary to medical advice. TFL have also sacked another staff member suffering from controllable epilepsy. Again this is contrary to independent medical advice. Mall these cases spit in the face of current employment law. But don't let the trivia of facts get in the way of the media witch hunt. As to Clarkson, it is stated there was a fracas. Now I have looked long and hard but I can't find a single case of one person on their own causing a fracas. During the fracas between Clarkson and Tymon nowhere is it certain that Clarkson threw the first punch but it seems reasonable that he threw the last. And as for the crap about punching someone, it is perfectly legal to launch a pre-emptive strike. It seems some within the Beeb are happy satisfied with the way the enquiry has gone " My point was that people will stand up for colleagues if they believe they are in the right, when others may have limited information and believe the opposite. | |||
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" And as for the crap about punching someone, it is perfectly legal to launch a pre-emptive strike. " one would expect and is common with good management that if that were the case in this issue then they could have been moved to other parts of the organisation whilst the issue was investigated.. that only one has been suspended does indicate there is strong evidence to suggest this wasn't something done to prevent physical injury upon oneself which we all have the right to do.. its totally crap and naive to think people only punch others to prevent attack.. | |||
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"And if Hammond and may refuse to work, they'll get the chop through contractual obligations too. the death of top gear!!! Hurrah " It dies years ago...Just contrived crap now. Middle aged men in pleather trying to look cool in penis extensions. | |||
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" And as for the crap about punching someone, it is perfectly legal to launch a pre-emptive strike. one would expect and is common with good management that if that were the case in this issue then they could have been moved to other parts of the organisation whilst the issue was investigated.. that only one has been suspended does indicate there is strong evidence to suggest this wasn't something done to prevent physical injury upon oneself which we all have the right to do.. its totally crap and naive to think people only punch others to prevent attack.." where did anyone say it was? Many are saying a punch should mean instant dismissal without considering any mitigating circumstances that there may be | |||
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" And as for the crap about punching someone, it is perfectly legal to launch a pre-emptive strike. one would expect and is common with good management that if that were the case in this issue then they could have been moved to other parts of the organisation whilst the issue was investigated.. that only one has been suspended does indicate there is strong evidence to suggest this wasn't something done to prevent physical injury upon oneself which we all have the right to do.. its totally crap and naive to think people only punch others to prevent attack..where did anyone say it was? Many are saying a punch should mean instant dismissal without considering any mitigating circumstances that there may be" those who say that he should be dismissed instantly are equally as wrong as those who sign a petition seeking the continuity of the programme despite the allegation and that it hasn't been properly investigated.. would suggest that none of the above would be happy to have them or their own treated similarly or that they would expect to have someone on a final written warning not suspended for allegedly punching them or their own.. folk are fickle.. | |||
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"Lots of people on this thread very well informed about a show they wouldn't want to watch... " this and Fifty Shades lol | |||
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