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" Something i'd have to look at. ![]() Well the department of health would agree with you. ![]() | |||
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"Is any piercing considered mutilation? I don't think my ears are mutilated, but I have 3 piercings in one and four in the other. I'm not sure I am comfortable comparing something a woman chooses to do with something that is done to them, usually against their will. Spot on. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Or the fact they are too young to give consent. | |||
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"http://m.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/31938409 Not sure if this has already been posted but would you class vaginal piercing as FGM?" no. piercing is not a permanent, brutal and often non consensual mutilation of the labia and/or clitoris. If you dont like a piercing you can just take it our...you cannot grow back a clitoris that has been cut off without numbing or any surgical know how (most times with scissors), or labia that have been mutilated or sewn together leaving just one hole whereby all functions need to be performed....urinating, menstruating, sex, and giving birth. to suggest piercings are the same is ridiculous. | |||
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"Is any piercing considered mutilation? I don't think my ears are mutilated, but I have 3 piercings in one and four in the other. I'm not sure I am comfortable comparing something a woman chooses to do with something that is done to them, usually against their will. Spot on. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I have seen babies with pierced ears. I guess this is one of those subjective things, where some people will think a quick hole in the ear that quickly heals is comparable to a full blown operation done to prevent women from getting clitoral stimulation and causing them pain for the rest of their lives. | |||
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"Is any piercing considered mutilation? I don't think my ears are mutilated, but I have 3 piercings in one and four in the other. I'm not sure I am comfortable comparing something a woman chooses to do with something that is done to them, usually against their will. Spot on. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Some compare and say circumcision is male genital mutilation. Why do we feel the need to compare - FGM is horrific. Rightly the report states any genital piercing under the age of 18 is/should be illegal. | |||
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" Alternatively, there is an argument that says that if you seek a multicultural society, then don't complain when that is what you actually get. " "when in Rome..." People want to live here have to abide by our Laws! | |||
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" Alternatively, there is an argument that says that if you seek a multicultural society, then don't complain when that is what you actually get. " so we have to adapt but no one else does? | |||
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"Is any piercing considered mutilation? I don't think my ears are mutilated, but I have 3 piercings in one and four in the other. I'm not sure I am comfortable comparing something a woman chooses to do with something that is done to them, usually against their will. Spot on. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() we dont have to compare but there is a point. Male babies have no say in the removal of their foreskin. ok, as far as i am aware the ongoing health issues are much less for males than it is women but both are done without consent. | |||
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"Is any piercing considered mutilation? I don't think my ears are mutilated, but I have 3 piercings in one and four in the other. I'm not sure I am comfortable comparing something a woman chooses to do with something that is done to them, usually against their will. Spot on. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Many boys and men have to have it done, I don't know of any cases where girls do. | |||
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"Is any piercing considered mutilation? I don't think my ears are mutilated, but I have 3 piercings in one and four in the other. I'm not sure I am comfortable comparing something a woman chooses to do with something that is done to them, usually against their will. Spot on. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() true, but that is a consensual medical reason. religious circumcision is not either. | |||
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"http://m.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/31938409 Not sure if this has already been posted but would you class vaginal piercing as FGM?" How the fuck can it possibly be classed as that if it's with consent. My Ex was VERY alt. Try telling her that..she'd punch you in the face. For real. ![]() | |||
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"Is any piercing considered mutilation? I don't think my ears are mutilated, but I have 3 piercings in one and four in the other. I'm not sure I am comfortable comparing something a woman chooses to do with something that is done to them, usually against their will. Spot on. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Although non consensual, the circumcision of male babies is not outlawed, unlike for females. | |||
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"Is any piercing considered mutilation? I don't think my ears are mutilated, but I have 3 piercings in one and four in the other. I'm not sure I am comfortable comparing something a woman chooses to do with something that is done to them, usually against their will. Spot on. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() but why isnt it? dont get me wrong, as my first post on here shows, i know the trauma that FGM causes and i understand the result is far more devestating for females than for males but at its base there is the same question....have they said yes. | |||
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"Is any piercing considered mutilation? I don't think my ears are mutilated, but I have 3 piercings in one and four in the other. I'm not sure I am comfortable comparing something a woman chooses to do with something that is done to them, usually against their will. Spot on. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() We cannot just go down the giving of consent route, after-all a two year old boy who needs a circumcision doesn't give consent, his parents do. | |||
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"Is any piercing considered mutilation? I don't think my ears are mutilated, but I have 3 piercings in one and four in the other. I'm not sure I am comfortable comparing something a woman chooses to do with something that is done to them, usually against their will. Spot on. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Again....for medical reasons it is perfectly acceptable for parents to give consent for children. for religious reasons perhaps it should be questioned. What purpose does a non medical circumcision hold other than to conform to the preaching of a book? Going back to the op, it is interesting that male genital piercings are not seen as a harmful procedure, I wonder why that is. | |||
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"I walked into the piercing studio, took off my clothing, and laid there for the piercer to do my labia and clit hood piercings. Definitely not the product of abuse..." My Ex had this done. It was her choice. She was fully consenting as an adult woman. That Article posted by the OP makes ZERO sense to me. ![]() | |||
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"Is any piercing considered mutilation? I don't think my ears are mutilated, but I have 3 piercings in one and four in the other. I'm not sure I am comfortable comparing something a woman chooses to do with something that is done to them, usually against their will. Spot on. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Circumcision is not just done on religious grounds, look at America. I have read that it's on the decline though. | |||
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"I walked into the piercing studio, took off my clothing, and laid there for the piercer to do my labia and clit hood piercings. Definitely not the product of abuse... My Ex had this done. It was her choice. She was fully consenting as an adult woman. That Article posted by the OP makes ZERO sense to me. ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Is any piercing considered mutilation? I don't think my ears are mutilated, but I have 3 piercings in one and four in the other. I'm not sure I am comfortable comparing something a woman chooses to do with something that is done to them, usually against their will. Spot on. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Ok, I guess cosmetic as well but again that is with consent. My argument is purely based on non consensual circumcision which parallels with fgm. What other non consensual reasons are there for circumcision? | |||
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"Is any piercing considered mutilation? I don't think my ears are mutilated, but I have 3 piercings in one and four in the other. I'm not sure I am comfortable comparing something a woman chooses to do with something that is done to them, usually against their will. Spot on. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Oh no I still meant infantile. | |||
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"Is any piercing considered mutilation? I don't think my ears are mutilated, but I have 3 piercings in one and four in the other. I'm not sure I am comfortable comparing something a woman chooses to do with something that is done to them, usually against their will. Spot on. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() What other reasons are there for infantile circumcision? | |||
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"Is any piercing considered mutilation? I don't think my ears are mutilated, but I have 3 piercings in one and four in the other. I'm not sure I am comfortable comparing something a woman chooses to do with something that is done to them, usually against their will. Spot on. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Apparently America is the only country that has infantile circumcision for non religious reasons. I guess it is cultural | |||
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"Apparently America is the only country that has infantile circumcision for non religious reasons. I guess it is cultural" No, we do too. | |||
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"Not only humiliating for women who are being told their beautifying jewellery is 'mutilation', but now incredibly dangerous for professional pierces. And all in all sexist shit that denies women body autonomy under the pretence that it gives it." Some feminist womens ignorance of feminist issues is astounding! As I understand things FGM (cliterus cutting) is used to remove female sexual desire in certain cultures. To get round the FGM laws some people from those cultures use cliterol peircings to sever the nerves to the cliterus to achive the same results. It is these piercings that doctors are being required to record and report. Maybe you should find out why doctors are being advised to record and report some piercings before opening you mouth and complaining that you and your 'sisters' are being subject to a sexist attack. ![]() | |||
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"Maybe you should find out why doctors are being advised to record and report some piercings before opening you mouth and complaining that you and your 'sisters' are being subject to a sexist attack. ![]() Mansplaining at its finest. *claps* | |||
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"Apparently America is the only country that has infantile circumcision for non religious reasons. I guess it is cultural No, we do too." Historically we used to. Which is possibly why America did/do. What makes you say we do? (Not including minority cultures within the larger British culture). | |||
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"http://m.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/31938409 Not sure if this has already been posted but would you class vaginal piercing as FGM? How the fuck can it possibly be classed as that if it's with consent. My Ex was VERY alt. Try telling her that..she'd punch you in the face. For real. ![]() . You dated Jeremy clarkson ![]() | |||
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" Alternatively, there is an argument that says that if you seek a multicultural society, then don't complain when that is what you actually get. " . Yeah think themselves lucky there not going for apostasy!! | |||
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"Maybe you should find out why doctors are being advised to record and report some piercings before opening you mouth and complaining that you and your 'sisters' are being subject to a sexist attack. ![]() Why cut this part of my post?: "As I understand things FGM (cliterus cutting) is used to remove female sexual desire in certain cultures. To get round the FGM laws some people from those cultures use cliterol peircings to sever the nerves to the cliterus to achive the same results. It is these piercings that doctors are being required to record and report." I thought it was quite a good explanation of why the guidance was issued, but by your reply obviously not. | |||
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"Maybe you should find out why doctors are being advised to record and report some piercings before opening you mouth and complaining that you and your 'sisters' are being subject to a sexist attack. ![]() Maybe, just maybe the poster wanted to comment only on the paragraph quoted. | |||
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"Not only humiliating for women who are being told their beautifying jewellery is 'mutilation', but now incredibly dangerous for professional pierces. And all in all sexist shit that denies women body autonomy under the pretence that it gives it. Some feminist womens ignorance of feminist issues is astounding! As I understand things FGM (cliterus cutting) is used to remove female sexual desire in certain cultures. To get round the FGM laws some people from those cultures use cliterol peircings to sever the nerves to the cliterus to achive the same results. It is these piercings that doctors are being required to record and report. Maybe you should find out why doctors are being advised to record and report some piercings before opening you mouth and complaining that you and your 'sisters' are being subject to a sexist attack. ![]() Oh, as you understand it. Very limited understanding in your patronising post that misses the point completely. Thanks for your adorable (and minute) mansplination of FGM, where would us poor silly tarts be without big clever men like you helping us understand issues about out fooffies. I know what FGM is. I also know what a piercing is, and no, piercing the clitoris itself does not 'sever' the nerves, is used as a stimulant by many women. You dare to lecture me on my feminism when your knowledge of both piercings and the clitoris is so pathetically sparse? Even on a fuck site you need that basic sex ed? ![]() | |||
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"I have come across, and had to work with women that have undergone FGM times and every time it's heartbreaking for everyone involved. It's a barbaric and evil custom that deserves to be wiped from the face of the planet and deserves all the recent attention it's been getting. However, in my opinion, a consenting adult can undergo whatever body modification they wish! They can have their vaginal lips augmented and I see personal piercings as no different. As long as your making an informed choice then go knock yourself out." I love the body modification community, and some of the things I have seen adult, consenting individuals do to their genetalia is incredible, fascinating, and fantastic because they love it. Now they face persecution? They already face absurd stigma from society. It's a bullshit law within a body mod epicentre. | |||
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"Not only humiliating for women who are being told their beautifying jewellery is 'mutilation', but now incredibly dangerous for professional pierces. And all in all sexist shit that denies women body autonomy under the pretence that it gives it. Some feminist womens ignorance of feminist issues is astounding! As I understand things FGM (cliterus cutting) is used to remove female sexual desire in certain cultures. To get round the FGM laws some people from those cultures use cliterol peircings to sever the nerves to the cliterus to achive the same results. It is these piercings that doctors are being required to record and report. Maybe you should find out why doctors are being advised to record and report some piercings before opening you mouth and complaining that you and your 'sisters' are being subject to a sexist attack. ![]() ![]() I think he's suggesting piercing is being used as an fgm alternative. Perhaps he could link where he discovered tho info? | |||
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"Not only humiliating for women who are being told their beautifying jewellery is 'mutilation', but now incredibly dangerous for professional pierces. And all in all sexist shit that denies women body autonomy under the pretence that it gives it. Some feminist womens ignorance of feminist issues is astounding! As I understand things FGM (cliterus cutting) is used to remove female sexual desire in certain cultures. To get round the FGM laws some people from those cultures use cliterol peircings to sever the nerves to the cliterus to achive the same results. It is these piercings that doctors are being required to record and report. Maybe you should find out why doctors are being advised to record and report some piercings before opening you mouth and complaining that you and your 'sisters' are being subject to a sexist attack. ![]() ![]() I don't really care what he is suggesting,at the end of the day he patrpatronised me on a subject he seems completely unaware of, while at the same time suggesting I read up on it- when I already had. This law directly affects women who have not had FGM. It isn't limited to piercing, and includes labiaplasty. The law is about any form of genital modification, and it classes consenting modifications done by adults for sexual enhancement as FGM when the purpose is the exact opposite. So perhaps he should practice what he preaches and read into it before opening his mouth. | |||
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