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By *icksfocus OP Man
over a year ago

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anyone watch this is england 86 last night did it go too far we were split 50:50 about it at work today

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

why what happened?? i will catch up with it on monday when i go to my friends house. have enjoyed the first 2 though

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By *icksfocus OP Man
over a year ago

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if you havent seen it yet dont want to spoil it for you but it was by far the best episode yet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only this is England I remember was the one about Skinheads back in the Day

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

Some of it made me laugh out loud,but it was also quite disturbing,I found myself holding my breath while watching some of it,it was really well acted though

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"The only this is England I remember was the one about Skinheads back in the Day

yeah that was the film, they have made a tv programme now with al the same actors in it (apart from the ones that died

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This is England '86 on channel 4 - i have to catch up at my mates cos i dont get channel 4

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

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By *icksfocus OP Man
over a year ago

Pontefract

its a 4 part series set 3 years later in 1986 same actors as before you can catch up on 4 od as we have already had 3 episodes

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By *icksfocus OP Man
over a year ago

Pontefract

you can catch up on the web www.chanel 4 OD

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

right I'm with you now, I'm sure I still have a copy of the original as well, thanks I'll have a look at the new series then

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By *icksfocus OP Man
over a year ago

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some people at work today said it was a bit over top for a tuesday but what does it matter what day it is

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

Ive seen worse things on the TV,and no the subject would have been the same whatever day it was shown

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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago

Livingston

I am loving it and although last night's episode was somewhat disturbing in parts, the story wouldn't have followed correctly without it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i was on edge wanting sum1 to walk in and catch him....but it was very well acted, she tell sin the next episode but i dont know wot happens to him ...i love the programme tho..

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By *icksfocus OP Man
over a year ago

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it must be the best thing so far this year hope they dont spoil it like they did shameless it just lost its edge

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

that smell is a bit weird lookin isnt she ...lol

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By *icksfocus OP Man
over a year ago

Pontefract

a bit weird looking thats an understatement but she likes a shag so put her down as a double bagger one bag over her head and one over mine in case hers comes off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"some people at work today said it was a bit over top for a tuesday but what does it matter what day it is"

I agree that it doesn't matter what day of the week it is. But the scene that we are all talking about was very disturbing!

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By *he BananamanMan
over a year ago

WORCESTERSHIRE

he was a dirty ol' undesisarable git though wasn't he?.

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By *ev and TrevCouple
over a year ago

cardiff

that scene had to be in to show that lol was not making it up and to show every one that he is just a nasty peace of work. awesome programme loved watching it cant wait for tuesday now to see what happens next. smell does look a bit werid tho hope its just the make up lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Been a bit of a disappointment so far , enjoyed the scrap between the ska lot and the casuals.

I enjoyed the film , but not as much as Rita ,Sue and Bob which was filmed around the same time This is England was set

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Y'know, maybe it's just me but i don't remember skins being multi-cultural etc back then. My experience of the skinheads was of them all being members of the NF & then the BNP.

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By *he BananamanMan
over a year ago

WORCESTERSHIRE

"Y'know, maybe it's just me but i don't remember skins being multi-cultural etc back then. My experience of the skinheads was of them all being members of the NF & then the BNP. "

contradictory we had black guys and girls in b'ham skinhead gangs so that confounded and confused quite a lot of critics!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought they were more Ska ,Two-tone than Skinheads , Woody looks to be more of a Mod.

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By *eclan_and_AimeeCouple
over a year ago

dunblane, stirling

"I thought they were more Ska ,Two-tone than Skinheads , Woody looks to be more of a Mod."

I think it was supposed to be more that they used to be skinheads... like when lol was talking about him turning into his dad and they had all changed.

I think the scene was a bit extreme, it could have been done differently, but I dont think only suggesting what was going to happen would have been strong enough.

I just hope they have a positive ending for the whole thing or it could do more harm than good - if that makes sense?

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By *icksfocus OP Man
over a year ago

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anyway just had a look through tv guide and this is england is repeated monday night at10.55 on chanel 4 then last episode on tuesday at 10.00

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By *ev and TrevCouple
over a year ago

cardiff

thought the last one last nite was really good a fab ending and gutted it had to finish hope they do another 1 lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"thought the last one last nite was really good a fab ending and gutted it had to finish hope they do another 1 lol"

It was pretty good but a bit depressing with it. The 80's weren't that good or that's the impression that was put across.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Y'know, maybe it's just me but i don't remember skins being multi-cultural etc back then. My experience of the skinheads was of them all being members of the NF & then the BNP. "

skins came about from disillusioned working class kids of all colours. they mainly started listening to ska/soul type music but it was an identity for the disillusioned generation. it didnt matter what colour, size you were, everyone was accepted. Oi came to the forefront with the formation of what would now be classed as skinhead bands like the 4-skins, cockney rejects, cocksparrer and the last resort etc. Because of the aggressive nature of the music, skins soon became divided and the football terraces of the 80's was awash with skinheads in big boot and braces out on a saturday looking for a ruck to relaease their frustration and then following the skinhead bands of their area of town all over the country at night. Fights happened in birmingham as west ham following skins came to see their bands play and fought with the brummies. The split was occuring and from one direction, these early football skins can now be classed as the youth that sporned the casual and football firms of today. Many stayed true to their roots with black and white united but also the much more sinister skinheads following white power bands like Skrewdriver emerged with the whitehall riots of the 80's being sparked by skinhead bands playing in the "wrong" part of town. Ian stuart of Skrewdriver was regularly photo'd with kkk members and this is when the majoerity of the general public decided skinheads were/are evil - this is not the case in the majority, just the minority....

ian stuart died in a car crash 93 amidst many a thoery that his death was "arranged" to stop the spread of the movement he was involved with..

combat 18, BNP, NF etc none of which have any place in the hearts of the true and original skinheads...

This is England 86 follows the antics of the more traditional skinheads although this divide can be seen in the film when Combo arrives with his views..

great program and apparently TIE 90 is already in the pipeline...

i use to be a skinhead back in the day, but a good one!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"thought the last one last nite was really good a fab ending and gutted it had to finish hope they do another 1 lol"

I loved it.

But I think it was left in a great position to start a new series.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"thought the last one last nite was really good a fab ending and gutted it had to finish hope they do another 1 lol

It was pretty good but a bit depressing with it. The 80's weren't that good or that's the impression that was put across."

the 80's were far better than today!! for one i was only a teenager!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was a Rudy back in the 80s and our local 'skins' were a bunch of ruthless thugs who targetted 'Rudys' in particular - they saw the white Rudys as race traitors.

I think the rape scene in the programme was graphic in not so much the act itself, but the victims lack of power to prevent it. Her fear was the over-riding depiction in the scene.

Wish I'd watched the series from the beginning now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yea great programme, a friend of mine who was on set as an extra said to me that they are doing a 3rd Series based on the 90s.

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By *iceguydaveMan
over a year ago

Monmouth

"Wish I'd watched the series from the beginning now."

It's probably all on 4OD, and they did say the DVD was on sale already (as usual). It was a great piece of TV drama, very rare among homegrown UK stuff these days. I'm glad they kept it short, but would love to see another update in a couple of years time.. if they do a 1990 version, presumably the background will be Italia 90 - will the lads (men?) all be sorted for E's and whizz?

The sexual violence was central to the story, but I thought it was handled really well. Shane Meadows (writer/director) tends to make films (and now TV) that reflect his life/experiences, and he's very good at capturing the 'working class youth feel' of that time. He's also very prone to dropping in sudden and jarring moments of horrific violence (the original 'This is England' movie, 'A Room for Romeo Brass' and 'Dead Man's Shoes').

Great telly - glad C4 can still produce something other than Big bloody Brother

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By *ollie_JCouple
over a year ago

London

"The only this is England I remember was the one about Skinheads back in the Day

I think you might be referring to Made in Britain

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The only this is England I remember was the one about Skinheads back in the Day

I think you might be referring to Made in Britain"

another fine film with tim roth as trevor!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The only this is England I remember was the one about Skinheads back in the Day

I think you might be referring to Made in Britain

another fine film with tim roth as trevor!!"

claim to fame: I went to school with tim roth. he was in the year above

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By *ollie_JCouple
over a year ago

London

Checks ages against Tim Roth imdb profile..

Yep a couple who doesn't lie about their age.. Now that is a fab rarity

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Checks ages against Tim Roth imdb profile..

Yep a couple who doesn't lie about their age.. Now that is a fab rarity"

lol..so cynical. i'll mail you the form photos if you want

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it was "MADE IN ENGLAND" , the one where a bit of a social misfit becomes a skinhead and his brother kept calling him a muppet and Kermit , might see if its on youtube

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it was "MADE IN ENGLAND" , the one where a bit of a social misfit becomes a skinhead and his brother kept calling him a muppet and Kermit , might see if its on youtube "

It's Made in Britain and doesn't sound like what you are describing above. See trailer for it below

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7kIMZ2Yup0

brilliant soundtrack by The Exploited btw...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Was a skinhead in 1974 lol

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By *ollie_JCouple
over a year ago

London

Confusion abounds..

Tim Roth as a skinhead with what might judge as a slight authority problem in Made in Britain early 80s

This is England .. Shane meadows film a couple of years back , young boy gets befriended by a skinhead family

This is England 86 .. 4 part c4 shane meadows series extending the film on this week

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By *ara_and_MJCouple
over a year ago

rochdale

"Y'know, maybe it's just me but i don't remember skins being multi-cultural etc back then. My experience of the skinheads was of them all being members of the NF & then the BNP.

ian stuart died in a car crash 93 amidst many a thoery that his death was "arranged" to stop the spread of the movement he was involved with..

combat 18, BNP, NF etc none of which have any place in the hearts of the true and original skinheads...

This is England 86 follows the antics of the more traditional skinheads although this divide can be seen in the film when Combo arrives with his views..

great program and apparently TIE 90 is already in the pipeline...

i use to be a skinhead back in the day, but a good one!!! "

Oh i know the story behind the original skinhead scene, just that my personal experience of them was purely with the NF & then later the BNP/C18 clowns. Even back at school in the late 70's the political extremism of outfits like the British Movement/National Socialist Action Party/ NF was prevalent amongst the kids with the shaved heads.

I was involved with the movements against Fascism in my local area, so much that C18 once put up a wanted poster with about a dozen photos on it - one of them was mine. (Might have had something to do with a BNP meeting & a little incident with a de-activated grenade).

In this town i certainly don't recall the skinhead movement as being anything other than out & out fascists unfortunately. The Rochdale fascists were even implicated in gun-running for Nick Griffin's old mentor & forerunner John Tyndall.

Wishy's "Race Traitor" comment is spot on from the insults that were hurled my way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Y'know, maybe it's just me but i don't remember skins being multi-cultural etc back then. My experience of the skinheads was of them all being members of the NF & then the BNP.

ian stuart died in a car crash 93 amidst many a thoery that his death was "arranged" to stop the spread of the movement he was involved with..

combat 18, BNP, NF etc none of which have any place in the hearts of the true and original skinheads...

This is England 86 follows the antics of the more traditional skinheads although this divide can be seen in the film when Combo arrives with his views..

great program and apparently TIE 90 is already in the pipeline...

i use to be a skinhead back in the day, but a good one!!!

Wishy's "Race Traitor" comment is spot on from the insults that were hurled my way.

i beleive the north west "mining towns" were and still are targeted by the far right, as we all know, trying to spread fear and hatred amongst who they see as their easiest target audience.

its a shame you only ever had dealings with the "wrong" type of skins as the lads i knew and hung around with were all such a good laugh and had no mallice whatsoever in their bones, although they did look a bit scary lol...

its funny how certain trends seem to get hyjacked and turned the wrong way...

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