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"Also to add. You can buy inks from anywhere. But like anything you buy, albeit online or not, there are risks of counterfeiting and fakes. That's buy you buy from licensed and supported sources. " This | |||
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"I'd like to see a proper peer reviewed research paper on these claims and not just "hear-say" claims from a friend. Tattoo's have been around for decades, and are incredibly regulated these days. There is so much health and safety involved its unreal. And what about the men that have tattoos? Is it only woman that aren't "Safe" The trouble is any one can buy a tattoo gun from ebay and self-tattoo and claim to be something they're not. If you're going to these types of unlicensed people, then there are risks, especially if they have no experience or idea of sterilisation. " It's just archaic evidence. It was true about 20-30 years ago, but the industry has acknowledged and adapted since (for example, certain metal based inks mean tattooed people can't have MRIs). I hope so anyway, otherwise I'll be looking at a sex change as I'm one of the susceptible females. | |||
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"I'd like to see a proper peer reviewed research paper on these claims and not just "hear-say" claims from a friend. Tattoo's have been around for decades, and are incredibly regulated these days. There is so much health and safety involved its unreal. And what about the men that have tattoos? Is it only woman that aren't "Safe" The trouble is any one can buy a tattoo gun from ebay and self-tattoo and claim to be something they're not. If you're going to these types of unlicensed people, then there are risks, especially if they have no experience or idea of sterilisation. It's just archaic evidence. It was true about 20-30 years ago, but the industry has acknowledged and adapted since (for example, certain metal based inks mean tattooed people can't have MRIs). I hope so anyway, otherwise I'll be looking at a sex change as I'm one of the susceptible females. " Then industry has not adapted. Sorry your wrong there. Is no regulation to be had and ink manufacturing don't ever tell what's in their products so is no competition. Science proves many cases and reports that ink is not safe even the old natural inks...like carbon black. Carbon in body causes cancer. Did you read post...it apply to men too. I just like tattoos on women like said in post | |||
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"I'd like to see a proper peer reviewed research paper on these claims and not just "hear-say" claims from a friend. Tattoo's have been around for decades, and are incredibly regulated these days. There is so much health and safety involved its unreal. And what about the men that have tattoos? Is it only woman that aren't "Safe" The trouble is any one can buy a tattoo gun from ebay and self-tattoo and claim to be something they're not. If you're going to these types of unlicensed people, then there are risks, especially if they have no experience or idea of sterilisation. It's just archaic evidence. It was true about 20-30 years ago, but the industry has acknowledged and adapted since (for example, certain metal based inks mean tattooed people can't have MRIs). I hope so anyway, otherwise I'll be looking at a sex change as I'm one of the susceptible females. Then industry has not adapted. Sorry your wrong there. Is no regulation to be had and ink manufacturing don't ever tell what's in their products so is no competition. Science proves many cases and reports that ink is not safe even the old natural inks...like carbon black. Carbon in body causes cancer. Did you read post...it apply to men too. I just like tattoos on women like said in post" The industry has adapted, you're being ignorant and biased. | |||
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"I'd like to see a proper peer reviewed research paper on these claims and not just "hear-say" claims from a friend. Tattoo's have been around for decades, and are incredibly regulated these days. There is so much health and safety involved its unreal. And what about the men that have tattoos? Is it only woman that aren't "Safe" The trouble is any one can buy a tattoo gun from ebay and self-tattoo and claim to be something they're not. If you're going to these types of unlicensed people, then there are risks, especially if they have no experience or idea of sterilisation. " You might be right about regulations and health and safety to do with the art its self. However you are incorrect is no regulation anywhere in world to do with the inks or carriers and especially not in UK. | |||
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"I'd like to see a proper peer reviewed research paper on these claims and not just "hear-say" claims from a friend. Tattoo's have been around for decades, and are incredibly regulated these days. There is so much health and safety involved its unreal. And what about the men that have tattoos? Is it only woman that aren't "Safe" The trouble is any one can buy a tattoo gun from ebay and self-tattoo and claim to be something they're not. If you're going to these types of unlicensed people, then there are risks, especially if they have no experience or idea of sterilisation. It's just archaic evidence. It was true about 20-30 years ago, but the industry has acknowledged and adapted since (for example, certain metal based inks mean tattooed people can't have MRIs). I hope so anyway, otherwise I'll be looking at a sex change as I'm one of the susceptible females. Then industry has not adapted. Sorry your wrong there. Is no regulation to be had and ink manufacturing don't ever tell what's in their products so is no competition. Science proves many cases and reports that ink is not safe even the old natural inks...like carbon black. Carbon in body causes cancer. Did you read post...it apply to men too. I just like tattoos on women like said in post The industry has adapted, you're being ignorant and biased. " . Sorry I'm not and your wrongly informed. Have facts in front of me by way of two PhDs and whole stack of scientific articles. You live in a dream world if think industry has adapted | |||
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"I'd like to see a proper peer reviewed research paper on these claims and not just "hear-say" claims from a friend. Tattoo's have been around for decades, and are incredibly regulated these days. There is so much health and safety involved its unreal. And what about the men that have tattoos? Is it only woman that aren't "Safe" The trouble is any one can buy a tattoo gun from ebay and self-tattoo and claim to be something they're not. If you're going to these types of unlicensed people, then there are risks, especially if they have no experience or idea of sterilisation. It's just archaic evidence. It was true about 20-30 years ago, but the industry has acknowledged and adapted since (for example, certain metal based inks mean tattooed people can't have MRIs). I hope so anyway, otherwise I'll be looking at a sex change as I'm one of the susceptible females. Then industry has not adapted. Sorry your wrong there. Is no regulation to be had and ink manufacturing don't ever tell what's in their products so is no competition. Science proves many cases and reports that ink is not safe even the old natural inks...like carbon black. Carbon in body causes cancer. Did you read post...it apply to men too. I just like tattoos on women like said in post The industry has adapted, you're being ignorant and biased. . Sorry I'm not and your wrongly informed. Have facts in front of me by way of two PhDs and whole stack of scientific articles. You live in a dream world if think industry has adapted" Disprove me adequately then. The inks have changed massively over the years due to biocompatibility issues as well as improving the aesthetic result. Just because there may be little regulation, it doesn't mean that you are going to get cancer. | |||
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"I think if you go to a proper place you will be less likely to come a cropper. " What's a proper place? Given that non of the ink manufacturing tells the artists what exactly is in their inks. So if the artist dont know...how does it mean its safe. Most manufactured inks claim to be safe but when tested in lab nearly all are not safe. Even some of the so called vegan inks still have nasty carriers | |||
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"Always liked tattoos on women, but has to be good art and have often ended up in in relationships with women partly covered or the likes of a sleeve or a leg. Do like tattoos but dont have any myself as my mates an artist for tats. During my youth when he was learning he told me "never get a tattoo mate, they not safe" I never did. He got cancer now and its been put down to all then lead and heavy metal in his body......his kidneys are full of black ink. Tattoos, though extremely popular, have not historically been heavily regulated. As a result, some tattoo inks have contained harmful and even toxic ingredients, ranging from metallic salts and lead to plastics, formaldehyde and a range of other chemicals. Today, many tattoo artists recognize the importance of using nontoxic inks in their work but the carrier solutions contain harmful substances such as denatured alcohols, methanol, rubbing alcohol, antifreeze, detergents, or formaldehyde and other highly toxic aldehydes. Then is the inks... The oldest pigments came from using ground up minerals and carbon (known cause of cancer) black. Science has proved a wide range of dyes and pigments are now used in tattoos "from inorganic materials like titanium dioxide and iron oxides to carbon black, azo dyes, and acridine, quinoline, phthalocyanine and naphthol derivates, dyes made from ash, and other mixtures." Currently popular is Acrylonitrile butadiene styrene (ABS plastic), used in Intenze, Millenium and other ABS pigmented brands.Auto mobile paint and industrial floor paints are often used in the bright colours. Often see women on here with loads of tattoos. People must think they safe or don't care if are or not? " This is basically very generalised scaremongering, unless you have any reputable scientific evidence to back it up, (which I doubt). Statements such as carbon is a known cause of cancer is ridiculous. *Some* types of carbon via *some* methods of exposure are thought to be carcinogenic to varying degrees, but the human body is roughly 1/5 carbon so let's not be silly, eh? Diamonds are carbon. Carbon is present in every living (or previously living) organism. It's one of the most abundant elements in the universe. | |||
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"I'd like to see a proper peer reviewed research paper on these claims and not just "hear-say" claims from a friend. Tattoo's have been around for decades, and are incredibly regulated these days. There is so much health and safety involved its unreal. And what about the men that have tattoos? Is it only woman that aren't "Safe" The trouble is any one can buy a tattoo gun from ebay and self-tattoo and claim to be something they're not. If you're going to these types of unlicensed people, then there are risks, especially if they have no experience or idea of sterilisation. It's just archaic evidence. It was true about 20-30 years ago, but the industry has acknowledged and adapted since (for example, certain metal based inks mean tattooed people can't have MRIs). I hope so anyway, otherwise I'll be looking at a sex change as I'm one of the susceptible females. Then industry has not adapted. Sorry your wrong there. Is no regulation to be had and ink manufacturing don't ever tell what's in their products so is no competition. Science proves many cases and reports that ink is not safe even the old natural inks...like carbon black. Carbon in body causes cancer. Did you read post...it apply to men too. I just like tattoos on women like said in post The industry has adapted, you're being ignorant and biased. . Sorry I'm not and your wrongly informed. Have facts in front of me by way of two PhDs and whole stack of scientific articles. You live in a dream world if think industry has adapted Disprove me adequately then. The inks have changed massively over the years due to biocompatibility issues as well as improving the aesthetic result. Just because there may be little regulation, it doesn't mean that you are going to get cancer. " Why should I disprove. How about you prove your claim. I have after all piles of scientific papers and PhDs here proving otherwise. Not sure where your brain washed ideas come from | |||
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"Science proves many cases and reports that ink is not safe even the old natural inks...like carbon black. Carbon in body causes cancer." Your body consists naturally of approximately 18.5% carbon! Where are all the papers on these cases science proves? You clearly have no idea at all what you're on about and are making yourself look ill-informed and rather silly. | |||
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"I'd like to see a proper peer reviewed research paper on these claims and not just "hear-say" claims from a friend. Tattoo's have been around for decades, and are incredibly regulated these days. There is so much health and safety involved its unreal. And what about the men that have tattoos? Is it only woman that aren't "Safe" The trouble is any one can buy a tattoo gun from ebay and self-tattoo and claim to be something they're not. If you're going to these types of unlicensed people, then there are risks, especially if they have no experience or idea of sterilisation. It's just archaic evidence. It was true about 20-30 years ago, but the industry has acknowledged and adapted since (for example, certain metal based inks mean tattooed people can't have MRIs). I hope so anyway, otherwise I'll be looking at a sex change as I'm one of the susceptible females. Then industry has not adapted. Sorry your wrong there. Is no regulation to be had and ink manufacturing don't ever tell what's in their products so is no competition. Science proves many cases and reports that ink is not safe even the old natural inks...like carbon black. Carbon in body causes cancer. Did you read post...it apply to men too. I just like tattoos on women like said in post The industry has adapted, you're being ignorant and biased. . Sorry I'm not and your wrongly informed. Have facts in front of me by way of two PhDs and whole stack of scientific articles. You live in a dream world if think industry has adapted Disprove me adequately then. The inks have changed massively over the years due to biocompatibility issues as well as improving the aesthetic result. Just because there may be little regulation, it doesn't mean that you are going to get cancer. Why should I disprove. How about you prove your claim. I have after all piles of scientific papers and PhDs here proving otherwise. Not sure where your brain washed ideas come from" Because you're making broad statements. The Council of Europe regulate tattoo ink. Although the UK doesn't, the manufacturers adhere to these laws as it makes financial sense to sell one product throughout Europe. I do not believe that the Council of Europe allows carcinogens to be used and I think that you are either mistaken or stupid. | |||
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"Always liked tattoos on women, but has to be good art and have often ended up in in relationships with women partly covered or the likes of a sleeve or a leg. Do like tattoos but dont have any myself as my mates an artist for tats. During my youth when he was learning he told me "never get a tattoo mate, they not safe" I never did. He got cancer now and its been put down to all then lead and heavy metal in his body......his kidneys are full of black ink. Tattoos, though extremely popular, have not historically been heavily regulated. As a result, some tattoo inks have contained harmful and even toxic ingredients, ranging from metallic salts and lead to plastics, formaldehyde and a range of other chemicals. Today, many tattoo artists recognize the importance of using nontoxic inks in their work but the carrier solutions contain harmful substances such as denatured alcohols, methanol, rubbing alcohol, antifreeze, detergents, or formaldehyde and other highly toxic aldehydes. Then is the inks... The oldest pigments came from using ground up minerals and carbon (known cause of cancer) black. Science has proved a wide range of dyes and pigments are now used in tattoos "from inorganic materials like titanium dioxide and iron oxides to carbon black, azo dyes, and acridine, quinoline, phthalocyanine and naphthol derivates, dyes made from ash, and other mixtures." Currently popular is Acrylonitrile butadiene styrene (ABS plastic), used in Intenze, Millenium and other ABS pigmented brands.Auto mobile paint and industrial floor paints are often used in the bright colours. Often see women on here with loads of tattoos. People must think they safe or don't care if are or not? This is basically very generalised scaremongering, unless you have any reputable scientific evidence to back it up, (which I doubt). Statements such as carbon is a known cause of cancer is ridiculous. *Some* types of carbon via *some* methods of exposure are thought to be carcinogenic to varying degrees, but the human body is roughly 1/5 carbon so let's not be silly, eh? Diamonds are carbon. Carbon is present in every living (or previously living) organism. It's one of the most abundant elements in the universe." I never claimed that. Its in the independent and also several scientific reports. Slightly different but they said don't eat burnt toast a while back haha why...cancer The carbon black was one thing I personally thought safe. Its the other stuff that's bad and the carrier solution | |||
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"I'd like to see a proper peer reviewed research paper on these claims and not just "hear-say" claims from a friend. Tattoo's have been around for decades, and are incredibly regulated these days. There is so much health and safety involved its unreal. And what about the men that have tattoos? Is it only woman that aren't "Safe" The trouble is any one can buy a tattoo gun from ebay and self-tattoo and claim to be something they're not. If you're going to these types of unlicensed people, then there are risks, especially if they have no experience or idea of sterilisation. It's just archaic evidence. It was true about 20-30 years ago, but the industry has acknowledged and adapted since (for example, certain metal based inks mean tattooed people can't have MRIs). I hope so anyway, otherwise I'll be looking at a sex change as I'm one of the susceptible females. Then industry has not adapted. Sorry your wrong there. Is no regulation to be had and ink manufacturing don't ever tell what's in their products so is no competition. Science proves many cases and reports that ink is not safe even the old natural inks...like carbon black. Carbon in body causes cancer. Did you read post...it apply to men too. I just like tattoos on women like said in post The industry has adapted, you're being ignorant and biased. . Sorry I'm not and your wrongly informed. Have facts in front of me by way of two PhDs and whole stack of scientific articles. You live in a dream world if think industry has adapted Disprove me adequately then. The inks have changed massively over the years due to biocompatibility issues as well as improving the aesthetic result. Just because there may be little regulation, it doesn't mean that you are going to get cancer. Why should I disprove. How about you prove your claim. I have after all piles of scientific papers and PhDs here proving otherwise. Not sure where your brain washed ideas come from" You're the one who posted a ridiculous claim so yeah, you're the one who should be able to back it up when challenged. Your claims about carbon alone suggest you don't have much scientific knowledge, if any. As for PhDs, yeah, ok | |||
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"The oldest pigments came from using ground up minerals and carbon (known cause of cancer) black. This is basically very generalised scaremongering, unless you have any reputable scientific evidence to back it up, (which I doubt). Statements such as carbon is a known cause of cancer is ridiculous. *Some* types of carbon via *some* methods of exposure are thought to be carcinogenic to varying degrees, but the human body is roughly 1/5 carbon so let's not be silly, eh? Diamonds are carbon. Carbon is present in every living (or previously living) organism. It's one of the most abundant elements in the universe. I never claimed that. Its in the independent and also several scientific reports." Go back and read what you wrote! "The oldest pigments came from using ground up minerals and carbon (known cause of cancer) black." "carbon in body causes cancer" Where are these "scientific reports"? | |||
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"I'd like to see a proper peer reviewed research paper on these claims and not just "hear-say" claims from a friend. Tattoo's have been around for decades, and are incredibly regulated these days. There is so much health and safety involved its unreal. And what about the men that have tattoos? Is it only woman that aren't "Safe" The trouble is any one can buy a tattoo gun from ebay and self-tattoo and claim to be something they're not. If you're going to these types of unlicensed people, then there are risks, especially if they have no experience or idea of sterilisation. It's just archaic evidence. It was true about 20-30 years ago, but the industry has acknowledged and adapted since (for example, certain metal based inks mean tattooed people can't have MRIs). I hope so anyway, otherwise I'll be looking at a sex change as I'm one of the susceptible females. Then industry has not adapted. Sorry your wrong there. Is no regulation to be had and ink manufacturing don't ever tell what's in their products so is no competition. Science proves many cases and reports that ink is not safe even the old natural inks...like carbon black. Carbon in body causes cancer. Did you read post...it apply to men too. I just like tattoos on women like said in post The industry has adapted, you're being ignorant and biased. . Sorry I'm not and your wrongly informed. Have facts in front of me by way of two PhDs and whole stack of scientific articles. You live in a dream world if think industry has adapted Disprove me adequately then. The inks have changed massively over the years due to biocompatibility issues as well as improving the aesthetic result. Just because there may be little regulation, it doesn't mean that you are going to get cancer. Why should I disprove. How about you prove your claim. I have after all piles of scientific papers and PhDs here proving otherwise. Not sure where your brain washed ideas come from Because you're making broad statements. The Council of Europe regulate tattoo ink. Although the UK doesn't, the manufacturers adhere to these laws as it makes financial sense to sell one product throughout Europe. I do not believe that the Council of Europe allows carcinogens to be used and I think that you are either mistaken or stupid. " Clearly one those believe all that told by EU haha. Sorry but your one those brain washed people | |||
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"The oldest pigments came from using ground up minerals and carbon (known cause of cancer) black. This is basically very generalised scaremongering, unless you have any reputable scientific evidence to back it up, (which I doubt). Statements such as carbon is a known cause of cancer is ridiculous. *Some* types of carbon via *some* methods of exposure are thought to be carcinogenic to varying degrees, but the human body is roughly 1/5 carbon so let's not be silly, eh? Diamonds are carbon. Carbon is present in every living (or previously living) organism. It's one of the most abundant elements in the universe. I never claimed that. Its in the independent and also several scientific reports. Go back and read what you wrote! "The oldest pigments came from using ground up minerals and carbon (known cause of cancer) black." "carbon in body causes cancer" Where are these "scientific reports"?" Here and the net is full of them. Ain't the room to quote all here and I'm too busy to bother. You don't agree with what I wrote no problem, but you have proved nothing to me other than your own misinformed information | |||
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"Clearly one those believe all that told by EU haha. Sorry but your one those brain washed people " You're ridiculous. | |||
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"Oh well eh, so I have tattoos and one day I'll die, shit happens, and even though some no-mark who claims to have a PhD and a pile of scientific papers says it's harmful it won't stop me having more. There's little point trying to start an argument or debate if you're not prepared to back up your facts, it's not for anyone else to disprove, it's for you to prove you're right, most people who have tattoos (for the right reasons) couldn't really care less." Good one No no.mark Live in real world | |||
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"Sorry but your one those brain washed people " No, you are thoroughly ill-informed and have no clue what you're on about. You're one of those who believes everything they read on the internet and in the media and parrot it out again to all and sundry. It's funny that someone so gullible and lacking in any scientific knowledge, and totally unable to substantiate any of their wild claims, should accuse anyone else of being brainwashed. | |||
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"If you don't have any , why are you so concerned ?? Let us that have or decide to get them make our own conclusions about how safe they are My grandad was a navy man and was covered in tattoos which I suspect he didn't get in this country and most likely under the influence of alcohol so wouldn't have asked what ink was being used on him and he died at a good age and not a sign of cancer .. I love my tattoo and plan to get more A x " Good for you. I like tats on women like I said in post. Yeah your grandad likely safe as back in day most inks came from natural substances not chemilacls and non natural stuff. Its the inks of today not safe in opinion of science | |||
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"The oldest pigments came from using ground up minerals and carbon (known cause of cancer) black. This is basically very generalised scaremongering, unless you have any reputable scientific evidence to back it up, (which I doubt). Statements such as carbon is a known cause of cancer is ridiculous. *Some* types of carbon via *some* methods of exposure are thought to be carcinogenic to varying degrees, but the human body is roughly 1/5 carbon so let's not be silly, eh? Diamonds are carbon. Carbon is present in every living (or previously living) organism. It's one of the most abundant elements in the universe. I never claimed that. Its in the independent and also several scientific reports. Go back and read what you wrote! "The oldest pigments came from using ground up minerals and carbon (known cause of cancer) black." "carbon in body causes cancer" Where are these "scientific reports"? Here and the net is full of them. Ain't the room to quote all here and I'm too busy to bother. You don't agree with what I wrote no problem, but you have proved nothing to me other than your own misinformed information" If you had any scientific knowledge at all, you'd already know the human body is roughly 1/5 carbon and it's one of the most abundant elements in the universe! You won't provide evidence, not because you can't be bothered or are too busy (not too busy to start the thread though ), but because you can't. The only papers you have are The Sun and the sort you wipe your arse on! | |||
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"If you don't have any , why are you so concerned ?? Let us that have or decide to get them make our own conclusions about how safe they are My grandad was a navy man and was covered in tattoos which I suspect he didn't get in this country and most likely under the influence of alcohol so wouldn't have asked what ink was being used on him and he died at a good age and not a sign of cancer .. I love my tattoo and plan to get more A x Good for you. I like tats on women like I said in post. Yeah your grandad likely safe as back in day most inks came from natural substances not chemilacls and non natural stuff. Its the inks of today not safe in opinion of science" Yes, natural except for the heavy metals used. You don't know what you're talking about, you shouldn't be advising anyone. | |||
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"If you don't have any , why are you so concerned ?? Let us that have or decide to get them make our own conclusions about how safe they are My grandad was a navy man and was covered in tattoos which I suspect he didn't get in this country and most likely under the influence of alcohol so wouldn't have asked what ink was being used on him and he died at a good age and not a sign of cancer .. I love my tattoo and plan to get more A x Good for you. I like tats on women like I said in post. Yeah your grandad likely safe as back in day most inks came from natural substances not chemilacls and non natural stuff. Its the inks of today not safe in opinion of science" Not safe in the opinion of *you*. Who knows nothing of science, clearly. | |||
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"Sorry but your one those brain washed people No, you are thoroughly ill-informed and have no clue what you're on about. You're one of those who believes everything they read on the internet and in the media and parrot it out again to all and sundry. It's funny that someone so gullible and lacking in any scientific knowledge, and totally unable to substantiate any of their wild claims, should accuse anyone else of being brainwashed. " I've read your daft posts before...you drive a Scooby as you call it and talk about tyres etc with about as many facts as me here yet prove nothing. Yeah your posts and answers are along lines of a dafty so I care little of your thoughts | |||
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"If you don't have any , why are you so concerned ?? Let us that have or decide to get them make our own conclusions about how safe they are My grandad was a navy man and was covered in tattoos which I suspect he didn't get in this country and most likely under the influence of alcohol so wouldn't have asked what ink was being used on him and he died at a good age and not a sign of cancer .. I love my tattoo and plan to get more A x Good for you. I like tats on women like I said in post. Yeah your grandad likely safe as back in day most inks came from natural substances not chemilacls and non natural stuff. Its the inks of today not safe in opinion of science Yes, natural except for the heavy metals used. You don't know what you're talking about, you shouldn't be advising anyone. " And the carbon which causes cancer when it gets into the body, which is roughly 18.5% carbon I wonder if anyone has cited their engagement ring as causing cancer. Stop the press! Science says diamonds cause cancer! | |||
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"If you don't have any , why are you so concerned ?? Let us that have or decide to get them make our own conclusions about how safe they are My grandad was a navy man and was covered in tattoos which I suspect he didn't get in this country and most likely under the influence of alcohol so wouldn't have asked what ink was being used on him and he died at a good age and not a sign of cancer .. I love my tattoo and plan to get more A x Good for you. I like tats on women like I said in post. Yeah your grandad likely safe as back in day most inks came from natural substances not chemilacls and non natural stuff. Its the inks of today not safe in opinion of science Not safe in the opinion of *you*. Who knows nothing of science, clearly. " Well you know nothing about tyres or rubber moulding and design processes yet you discussed them at great length like some kind of expert haha | |||
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"Weird! I just did a quick google and found that there have been no scientific studies (the FDA in America started one in 2013 - still awaiting the results!) re the safety of tattoo ink. So I'm curious as to your 'piles of scientific data' ! As someone with many tattoos - am I worried? Not in the slightest. A" Just because its not on Larry's search engine. Don't mean shit. Do you not know Google only searches 0.3% of the internet dear | |||
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"Ahh...read that in the DailyFail once...must be true " Been in independent, herald, Scotsman, observer and that shite rag u talk of don't make it not true it being in that paper | |||
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"Sorry but your one those brain washed people No, you are thoroughly ill-informed and have no clue what you're on about. You're one of those who believes everything they read on the internet and in the media and parrot it out again to all and sundry. It's funny that someone so gullible and lacking in any scientific knowledge, and totally unable to substantiate any of their wild claims, should accuse anyone else of being brainwashed. I've read your daft posts before...you drive a Scooby as you call it and talk about tyres etc with about as many facts as me here yet prove nothing. Yeah your posts and answers are along lines of a dafty so I care little of your thoughts " The difference is I never made any claims about what "science" says about my Scoob or its tyres. Those posts were my opinions, with no claims of papers, PhDs or scientific "fact". You're really making yourself look very silly as well as gullible and poorly educated. You can't back up your claims and we all know it. My claims, such as those about carbon, are very well known. Why do you think humans are called carbon-based life forms? Oh no! We all have carbon in our bodies. We must all have cancer. Call the National Guard! | |||
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"Weird! I just did a quick google and found that there have been no scientific studies (the FDA in America started one in 2013 - still awaiting the results!) re the safety of tattoo ink. So I'm curious as to your 'piles of scientific data' ! As someone with many tattoos - am I worried? Not in the slightest. A Just because its not on Larry's search engine. Don't mean shit. Do you not know Google only searches 0.3% of the internet dear" So 'dear' - would you care to name a single source to back up your claims? Just one? Pretty please? A | |||
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"If you don't have any , why are you so concerned ?? Let us that have or decide to get them make our own conclusions about how safe they are My grandad was a navy man and was covered in tattoos which I suspect he didn't get in this country and most likely under the influence of alcohol so wouldn't have asked what ink was being used on him and he died at a good age and not a sign of cancer .. I love my tattoo and plan to get more A x Good for you. I like tats on women like I said in post. Yeah your grandad likely safe as back in day most inks came from natural substances not chemilacls and non natural stuff. Its the inks of today not safe in opinion of science Not safe in the opinion of *you*. Who knows nothing of science, clearly. Well you know nothing about tyres or rubber moulding and design processes yet you discussed them at great length like some kind of expert haha " And made no scientific claims I couldn't back up at all. Unlike you. | |||
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"Sorry but your one those brain washed people No, you are thoroughly ill-informed and have no clue what you're on about. You're one of those who believes everything they read on the internet and in the media and parrot it out again to all and sundry. It's funny that someone so gullible and lacking in any scientific knowledge, and totally unable to substantiate any of their wild claims, should accuse anyone else of being brainwashed. I've read your daft posts before...you drive a Scooby as you call it and talk about tyres etc with about as many facts as me here yet prove nothing. Yeah your posts and answers are along lines of a dafty so I care little of your thoughts The difference is I never made any claims about what "science" says about my Scoob or its tyres. Those posts were my opinions, with no claims of papers, PhDs or scientific "fact". You're really making yourself look very silly as well as gullible and poorly educated. You can't back up your claims and we all know it. My claims, such as those about carbon, are very well known. Why do you think humans are called carbon-based life forms? Oh no! We all have carbon in our bodies. We must all have cancer. Call the National Guard! " Having read few of your posts before. Clearly your a bit thick but obviously more intelligent than me eh haha | |||
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"Sorry but your one those brain washed people No, you are thoroughly ill-informed and have no clue what you're on about. You're one of those who believes everything they read on the internet and in the media and parrot it out again to all and sundry. It's funny that someone so gullible and lacking in any scientific knowledge, and totally unable to substantiate any of their wild claims, should accuse anyone else of being brainwashed. I've read your daft posts before...you drive a Scooby as you call it and talk about tyres etc with about as many facts as me here yet prove nothing. Yeah your posts and answers are along lines of a dafty so I care little of your thoughts The difference is I never made any claims about what "science" says about my Scoob or its tyres. Those posts were my opinions, with no claims of papers, PhDs or scientific "fact". You're really making yourself look very silly as well as gullible and poorly educated. You can't back up your claims and we all know it. My claims, such as those about carbon, are very well known. Why do you think humans are called carbon-based life forms? Oh no! We all have carbon in our bodies. We must all have cancer. Call the National Guard! Having read few of your posts before. Clearly your a bit thick but obviously more intelligent than me eh haha " Yeah, a lot more intelligent than you. | |||
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"Sorry but your one those brain washed people No, you are thoroughly ill-informed and have no clue what you're on about. You're one of those who believes everything they read on the internet and in the media and parrot it out again to all and sundry. It's funny that someone so gullible and lacking in any scientific knowledge, and totally unable to substantiate any of their wild claims, should accuse anyone else of being brainwashed. I've read your daft posts before...you drive a Scooby as you call it and talk about tyres etc with about as many facts as me here yet prove nothing. Yeah your posts and answers are along lines of a dafty so I care little of your thoughts The difference is I never made any claims about what "science" says about my Scoob or its tyres. Those posts were my opinions, with no claims of papers, PhDs or scientific "fact". You're really making yourself look very silly as well as gullible and poorly educated. You can't back up your claims and we all know it. My claims, such as those about carbon, are very well known. Why do you think humans are called carbon-based life forms? Oh no! We all have carbon in our bodies. We must all have cancer. Call the National Guard! Having read few of your posts before. Clearly your a bit thick but obviously more intelligent than me eh haha Yeah, a lot more intelligent than you. " ^^ and since he clearly doesn't know the difference between your and you're im definitely agreeing with you | |||
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"I'd like to see a proper peer reviewed research paper on these claims and not just "hear-say" claims from a friend. Tattoo's have been around for decades, and are incredibly regulated these days. There is so much health and safety involved its unreal. And what about the men that have tattoos? Is it only woman that aren't "Safe" The trouble is any one can buy a tattoo gun from ebay and self-tattoo and claim to be something they're not. If you're going to these types of unlicensed people, then there are risks, especially if they have no experience or idea of sterilisation. " What he said. I feel completely safe. | |||
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"Sorry but your one those brain washed people No, you are thoroughly ill-informed and have no clue what you're on about. You're one of those who believes everything they read on the internet and in the media and parrot it out again to all and sundry. It's funny that someone so gullible and lacking in any scientific knowledge, and totally unable to substantiate any of their wild claims, should accuse anyone else of being brainwashed. I've read your daft posts before...you drive a Scooby as you call it and talk about tyres etc with about as many facts as me here yet prove nothing. Yeah your posts and answers are along lines of a dafty so I care little of your thoughts The difference is I never made any claims about what "science" says about my Scoob or its tyres. Those posts were my opinions, with no claims of papers, PhDs or scientific "fact". You're really making yourself look very silly as well as gullible and poorly educated. You can't back up your claims and we all know it. My claims, such as those about carbon, are very well known. Why do you think humans are called carbon-based life forms? Oh no! We all have carbon in our bodies. We must all have cancer. Call the National Guard! Having read few of your posts before. Clearly your a bit thick but obviously more intelligent than me eh haha Yeah, a lot more intelligent than you. ^^ and since he clearly doesn't know the difference between your and you're im definitely agreeing with you " My honours degree in Chemistry from a Russell group university, 2 years postgraduate work in biological organic chemistry and the Masters degree I am currently doing would suggest you are correct in your decision | |||
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"Sorry but your one those brain washed people No, you are thoroughly ill-informed and have no clue what you're on about. You're one of those who believes everything they read on the internet and in the media and parrot it out again to all and sundry. It's funny that someone so gullible and lacking in any scientific knowledge, and totally unable to substantiate any of their wild claims, should accuse anyone else of being brainwashed. I've read your daft posts before...you drive a Scooby as you call it and talk about tyres etc with about as many facts as me here yet prove nothing. Yeah your posts and answers are along lines of a dafty so I care little of your thoughts The difference is I never made any claims about what "science" says about my Scoob or its tyres. Those posts were my opinions, with no claims of papers, PhDs or scientific "fact". You're really making yourself look very silly as well as gullible and poorly educated. You can't back up your claims and we all know it. My claims, such as those about carbon, are very well known. Why do you think humans are called carbon-based life forms? Oh no! We all have carbon in our bodies. We must all have cancer. Call the National Guard! Having read few of your posts before. Clearly your a bit thick but obviously more intelligent than me eh haha Yeah, a lot more intelligent than you. ^^ and since he clearly doesn't know the difference between your and you're im definitely agreeing with you My honours degree in Chemistry from a Russell group university, 2 years postgraduate work in biological organic chemistry and the Masters degree I am currently doing would suggest you are correct in your decision " Show off! I just googled and used common sense! A | |||
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"Always liked tattoos on women, but has to be good art and have often ended up in in relationships with women partly covered or the likes of a sleeve or a leg. Do like tattoos but dont have any myself as my mates an artist for tats. During my youth when he was learning he told me "never get a tattoo mate, they not safe" I never did. He got cancer now and its been put down to all then lead and heavy metal in his body......his kidneys are full of black ink. Tattoos, though extremely popular, have not historically been heavily regulated. As a result, some tattoo inks have contained harmful and even toxic ingredients, ranging from metallic salts and lead to plastics, formaldehyde and a range of other chemicals. Today, many tattoo artists recognize the importance of using nontoxic inks in their work but the carrier solutions contain harmful substances such as denatured alcohols, methanol, rubbing alcohol, antifreeze, detergents, or formaldehyde and other highly toxic aldehydes. Then is the inks... The oldest pigments came from using ground up minerals and carbon (known cause of cancer) black. Science has proved a wide range of dyes and pigments are now used in tattoos "from inorganic materials like titanium dioxide and iron oxides to carbon black, azo dyes, and acridine, quinoline, phthalocyanine and naphthol derivates, dyes made from ash, and other mixtures." Currently popular is Acrylonitrile butadiene styrene (ABS plastic), used in Intenze, Millenium and other ABS pigmented brands.Auto mobile paint and industrial floor paints are often used in the bright colours. Often see women on here with loads of tattoos. People must think they safe or don't care if are or not? " | |||
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"Sorry but your one those brain washed people No, you are thoroughly ill-informed and have no clue what you're on about. You're one of those who believes everything they read on the internet and in the media and parrot it out again to all and sundry. It's funny that someone so gullible and lacking in any scientific knowledge, and totally unable to substantiate any of their wild claims, should accuse anyone else of being brainwashed. I've read your daft posts before...you drive a Scooby as you call it and talk about tyres etc with about as many facts as me here yet prove nothing. Yeah your posts and answers are along lines of a dafty so I care little of your thoughts The difference is I never made any claims about what "science" says about my Scoob or its tyres. Those posts were my opinions, with no claims of papers, PhDs or scientific "fact". You're really making yourself look very silly as well as gullible and poorly educated. You can't back up your claims and we all know it. My claims, such as those about carbon, are very well known. Why do you think humans are called carbon-based life forms? Oh no! We all have carbon in our bodies. We must all have cancer. Call the National Guard! Having read few of your posts before. Clearly your a bit thick but obviously more intelligent than me eh haha Yeah, a lot more intelligent than you. ^^ and since he clearly doesn't know the difference between your and you're im definitely agreeing with you My honours degree in Chemistry from a Russell group university, 2 years postgraduate work in biological organic chemistry and the Masters degree I am currently doing would suggest you are correct in your decision Show off! I just googled and used common sense! A" Show off? What do I have to show off about? I'm a "bit thick". The OP said so and there are probably scientific reports that prove it. I'm just doing a quick literature search. Back in a min! | |||
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"Ahh...read that in the DailyFail once...must be true Been in independent, herald, Scotsman, observer and that shite rag u talk of don't make it not true it being in that paper" Ive just done a google search...I can find articles in The Sun, Dailyfail, and Huffington Post...nothing in any of the papers you mention (happy to be proved wrong if you'd like to provide links though). I did discover the site 'tattooscurecancer' though. Their mission is to raise awareness with cancer ribbon tattoos...now that would be some irony hey | |||
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"Ahh...read that in the DailyFail once...must be true Been in independent, herald, Scotsman, observer and that shite rag u talk of don't make it not true it being in that paper Ive just done a google search...I can find articles in The Sun, Dailyfail, and Huffington Post...nothing in any of the papers you mention (happy to be proved wrong if you'd like to provide links though). I did discover the site 'tattooscurecancer' though. Their mission is to raise awareness with cancer ribbon tattoos...now that would be some irony hey " I found it mentioned in the Sunday Times but you need to pay to subscribe in order to read it. It's not quite as the OP describes the situation, unsurprisingly. The hoohah seems largely based on some research at Bradford University in 2013, showing tattoos modify collagen and nanoparticles can make it into the body. There is a lot of supposition based on "potentially" this and "might" that but no facts beyond the nanoparticles bit. The research does not appear to have been published. There are also some articles on a few eco and natural living sites that are bordering on hysteria and have wording suspiciously similar to that used by the OP in the opening post. All in, the OP is a load of hysterical nonsense with a few bits that have their foundations in the truth (but are a long way off). I've found some interesting stuff though. | |||
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"I'd like to see a proper peer reviewed research paper on these claims and not just "hear-say" claims from a friend. Tattoo's have been around for decades, and are incredibly regulated these days. There is so much health and safety involved its unreal. And what about the men that have tattoos? Is it only woman that aren't "Safe" The trouble is any one can buy a tattoo gun from ebay and self-tattoo and claim to be something they're not. If you're going to these types of unlicensed people, then there are risks, especially if they have no experience or idea of sterilisation. It's just archaic evidence. It was true about 20-30 years ago, but the industry has acknowledged and adapted since (for example, certain metal based inks mean tattooed people can't have MRIs). I hope so anyway, otherwise I'll be looking at a sex change as I'm one of the susceptible females. Then industry has not adapted. Sorry your wrong there. Is no regulation to be had and ink manufacturing don't ever tell what's in their products so is no competition. Science proves many cases and reports that ink is not safe even the old natural inks...like carbon black. Carbon in body causes cancer. Did you read post...it apply to men too. I just like tattoos on women like said in post The industry has adapted, you're being ignorant and biased. . Sorry I'm not and your wrongly informed. Have facts in front of me by way of two PhDs and whole stack of scientific articles. You live in a dream world if think industry has adapted Disprove me adequately then. The inks have changed massively over the years due to biocompatibility issues as well as improving the aesthetic result. Just because there may be little regulation, it doesn't mean that you are going to get cancer. Why should I disprove. How about you prove your claim. I have after all piles of scientific papers and PhDs here proving otherwise. Not sure where your brain washed ideas come from" You make a claim, so the onus is on you to provide proof, but you refuse to back it up. What are your sources. I'm likely to say bullshit, just because you can't type a coherent sentence and you Iinsult people who ask for evidence. On top of that a list of toxic 'sounding' ingredients aren't necessarily toxici in small doses, and to go even further most tattooists are more educated on what they put in their clients bodies than the average, non-tattooed person, it is after all their livelihood. So, doubting what you say until you provide something other than annecdotes. Solid evidence. | |||
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"Ooh is this a challenge to see who can Google the best? My money is on the scientist who knows where to research, over the non scientist who hits "I'm feeling lucky" Ok Google..." i dont use larrys search engine to search unlike clearly every other daft on here | |||
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"Judging by what the op has written and the way he has listed things it looks very much like he has got many of his facts from Wikipedia (which we all know to be the most reputable and factually correct fountain of knowledge ) . Yes your right in saying that ink manufactures dont have to list their ingredients, but many do particularly thoughs sold in the EU " nothing came from your assumption i used wiki. i bet your one of the many fools who uses larry's search engine. which dont search the real internet...about 0.3% of it, well your wrong about eu. have you even read the eu paper from 2008 nope | |||
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"larrys search engine only searches 0.3% of the internet and is a load of crap. you want to search the real internet What's the real Internet? the rest that larry's engine dont show, its all the popular stuff that gets loads of hits, so you never see complete picture with google. FACT " So how do you search this real internet? | |||
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"larrys search engine only searches 0.3% of the internet and is a load of crap. you want to search the real internet What's the real Internet? the rest that larry's engine dont show, its all the popular stuff that gets loads of hits, so you never see complete picture with google. FACT So how do you search this real internet? " He's saying he's using a Tor browser to access the deep web. It's very quick and simple to install, I use one. Bigger all credible comes up on a deep web search either. | |||
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"larrys search engine only searches 0.3% of the internet and is a load of crap. you want to search the real internet What's the real Internet? the rest that larry's engine dont show, its all the popular stuff that gets loads of hits, so you never see complete picture with google. FACT So how do you search this real internet? He's saying he's using a Tor browser to access the deep web. It's very quick and simple to install, I use one. Bigger all credible comes up on a deep web search either." Do I need sub aqua gear to go into the deep Web?! | |||
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"I know about tyres. I know about cars. I know the difference between you're & your (and also their, there and they're). I know about tattoos. I know the OP is a Muppet who possible ly wear a tinfoil hat...." I do hope you're not suggesting I'm not capable of judging which tyres worked well on my Scooby and on my Civic? *raises eyebrow* | |||
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"Why is this aimed at just ladies? IM DOOOOOOMED! Personally I think cigarettes and alcohol are far more dangerous A fifth (approximately) of your body is carbon, which causes cancer. You're fucked. Don't forget the potassium and sodium. When that shit hits water (which we're 70% of, ish) its BOOM!" Well it's been a pleasure talking to you all, I'm off to combust, farewell x | |||
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"Why is this aimed at just ladies? IM DOOOOOOMED! Personally I think cigarettes and alcohol are far more dangerous A fifth (approximately) of your body is carbon, which causes cancer. You're fucked. Don't forget the potassium and sodium. When that shit hits water (which we're 70% of, ish) its BOOM! Well it's been a pleasure talking to you all, I'm off to combust, farewell x" Drink and smoke more, you may not have much time left!!! | |||
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