FabSwingers.com forum: MOT Urban myth

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The amount of websites that pedal this urban myth

"Use the ones the councils use - there is a list on the internet - they have no incentive to invent or rip you off"

Really pissed me off - VOSA now DVSA who run the bloody thing found that in fact the opposite is true to a small percentage.

Also in effect what they are saying is DVSA cannot keep their own house in order by standardising testers.....

If you don't agree, get it tested elsewhere or use the appeal proceedure printed on your sheet.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Okkkkk then

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

MOT is a grade of stone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You saying councils are in cahoots with MOT test centres?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Specifically Council run / operated centers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Damn pass that joint

Gimp

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

The local one drove a brand spanker straight down the pit

think I'll pass meself

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The local one drove a brand spanker straight down the pit

think I'll pass meself

Haha, when we had a new ramp installed with plates that stop a car rolling off backwards i was checking it a bit but it hooked an old Ford KA under the front lower crossmember and got it about a metre high doing a wheelie before I realised. Amazingly no damage done

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

There's always a deal somewhere. I got mine for £9 but I was having a full service too.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

That reminds me. Mine is due next month.

Mustn't forget.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The amount of websites that pedal this urban myth

"Use the ones the councils use - there is a list on the internet - they have no incentive to invent or rip you off"

Really pissed me off - VOSA now DVSA who run the bloody thing found that in fact the opposite is true to a small percentage.

Also in effect what they are saying is DVSA cannot keep their own house in order by standardising testers.....

If you don't agree, get it tested elsewhere or use the appeal proceedure printed on your sheet.

Erm what? The rant got in the way of your point !

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Sorry some text went west so doesn't make complete sense.

Basically the myth is continuously pedaled around the web that a council run center is a 'fairer' MOT and Independents are more likely to rip you off and fail a car for no reason.

The reality is VOSA now DVSA looked into this and found council stations failed more cars (only slightly can't find the report to hand).

Being an honest business can be a disadvantage - people expect to be ripped off and seem disappointed when they are not. Nowt as strange as folk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I honestly would rather get failed if it keeps me the fuck alive.

Same with people who buy cheap tyres.

I don't get it...

Tyres are the ONLY thing between you and the road, and infact, KEEPING you glued to the road.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I honestly would rather get failed if it keeps me the fuck alive.

Same with people who buy cheap tyres.

I don't get it...

Tyres are the ONLY thing between you and the road, and infact, KEEPING you glued to the road.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I mean it's:

£50 quid tyres that and you might die.

£80 quid tyres and you might stay alive.

Is any of those 2 statements different?..think about it...

I'd rather a thorough MOT check.

My car just failed on the Front Seat Drivers seat belt or some shit..

I don't know I'm not a Mechanic, but I sure as fuck could have kissed him for that.

I don't fancy my head being splattered through a fucking windshield.

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By *r and mrs sanddancerCouple
over a year ago

BOLDON COLLIERY

as an ex mot tester we had to take a customers minibuss to a council site as we did not test class5 and had a fight every time with them as they were making up their own rules, i had the manager down with the mot manual asking him to show me what section they had failed it on. their understanding of the rules was just unbelievable.

It is not in the interest of a garage to falsify a fail as it could be a mot inspectors car,

if you fail for a non testable item or fail a part that should have passed you are at risk of loosing your licence, and if a mechanic loses his mot ticket he will most likely be out of a job.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I honestly would rather get failed if it keeps me the fuck alive.

Same with people who buy cheap tyres.

I don't get it...

Tyres are the ONLY thing between you and the road, and infact, KEEPING you glued to the road.

Promote this man!

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I honestly would rather get failed if it keeps me the fuck alive.

Same with people who buy cheap tyres.

I don't get it...

Tyres are the ONLY thing between you and the road, and infact, KEEPING you glued to the road.

I think gravity and a few other forces and coefficients might disagree with you.

I didn't have to tether my car the last time I took the wheels off

Yeah, I'm a pedant, I know.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I honestly would rather get failed if it keeps me the fuck alive.

Same with people who buy cheap tyres.

I don't get it...

Tyres are the ONLY thing between you and the road, and infact, KEEPING you glued to the road.

Promote this man!"

Just not into physics

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

As has been said I think there are lots of genuine testers that don't really know the rules.

I've seen a fail that said 'brake pedal anti slip missing (Clutch pedal)'

Now the first part is fine - you need a rubber pad on the brake pedal but the tester then manually added the clutch pedal antislip, which is not a fail.

Or a customer telling me an MOT test starts with the lights......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I honestly would rather get failed if it keeps me the fuck alive.

Same with people who buy cheap tyres.

I don't get it...

Tyres are the ONLY thing between you and the road, and infact, KEEPING you glued to the road.

I think gravity and a few other forces and coefficients might disagree with you.

Seriously if your Tyres fucking suck gravity doesn't matter...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Sometimes a rant is all you need.

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By *r and mrs sanddancerCouple
over a year ago

BOLDON COLLIERY

its only on wet roads that you need good tread on your tyres to get rid of water to stop you aquaplaning.

on dry tarmac a tyre with no tread has better grip and road handling,

but how often do we get that in this country

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I call them CDF's - Chinese Ditch Finders....

Cheap tyres - shop around by all means for a good deal - meaning budget crap are terrible under certain conditions.

I did a back to back test with a 5 Door Civic on some make I'd never heard of called Landsail in the wet. They had so little traction and braking it was genuinely an eye opener.

White line in tarmac at 40mph brake hard and I swear the thing just couldn't stop - ABS was pulsing like mad and the distance was huge in the wet.

Switch to my car with 4 brand new and quite expensive Conti Sport Contact 5's and I couldn't get the ABS to trigger under my full weight on the pedal.

I'll never have cheap shit on again. Just so dangerous.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I honestly would rather get failed if it keeps me the fuck alive.

Same with people who buy cheap tyres.

I don't get it...

Tyres are the ONLY thing between you and the road, and infact, KEEPING you glued to the road.

I think gravity and a few other forces and coefficients might disagree with you.

Seriously if your Tyres fucking suck gravity doesn't matter..."

Has your car ever floated away?

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over a year ago

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I call them CDF's - Chinese Ditch Finders....

Cheap tyres - shop around by all means for a good deal - meaning budget crap are terrible under certain conditions.

I did a back to back test with a 5 Door Civic on some make I'd never heard of called Landsail in the wet. They had so little traction and braking it was genuinely an eye opener.

White line in tarmac at 40mph brake hard and I swear the thing just couldn't stop - ABS was pulsing like mad and the distance was huge in the wet.

Switch to my car with 4 brand new and quite expensive Conti Sport Contact 5's and I couldn't get the ABS to trigger under my full weight on the pedal.

I'll never have cheap shit on again. Just so dangerous. "

Pirelli P-Zeros had a certain reputation on Scoobys. They were known as Hedge Hunters. Deservedly so.

I had Eagle F1 GSD3s on my Scoob and they were awesome. My then housemate hated them on his Audi S3.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"MOT is a grade of stone

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always get confuddled with type1 n 6f2

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Mu"

Useful for everything from keeping zips fastened to ice skating to getting your car along the road and around corners.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Some tyres have specific letters for certain makes now - the tyres are literally tailored to the car so a little research can help.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Don't get me started on the benefits of winter tyres

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I get my MOT posted to me, tyres too.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I get my MOT posted to me, tyres too."

Very naughty by the NT concerned if I read it right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I call them CDF's - Chinese Ditch Finders....

Cheap tyres - shop around by all means for a good deal - meaning budget crap are terrible under certain conditions.

I did a back to back test with a 5 Door Civic on some make I'd never heard of called Landsail in the wet. They had so little traction and braking it was genuinely an eye opener.

White line in tarmac at 40mph brake hard and I swear the thing just couldn't stop - ABS was pulsing like mad and the distance was huge in the wet.

Switch to my car with 4 brand new and quite expensive Conti Sport Contact 5's and I couldn't get the ABS to trigger under my full weight on the pedal.

I'll never have cheap shit on again. Just so dangerous.

Pirelli P-Zeros had a certain reputation on Scoobys. They were known as Hedge Hunters. Deservedly so.

I had Eagle F1 GSD3s on my Scoob and they were awesome. My then housemate hated them on his Audi S3."

I had P-zeros on my civic and loved them, 60mph round a corner in 2nd gear...like being on rails.

Only got mid range tyres on at the moment and the difference is huge

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Don't get me started on the benefits of winter tyres

I prefer the benefits of hibernation and therefore not needing winter tyres

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I call them CDF's - Chinese Ditch Finders....

Cheap tyres - shop around by all means for a good deal - meaning budget crap are terrible under certain conditions.

I did a back to back test with a 5 Door Civic on some make I'd never heard of called Landsail in the wet. They had so little traction and braking it was genuinely an eye opener.

White line in tarmac at 40mph brake hard and I swear the thing just couldn't stop - ABS was pulsing like mad and the distance was huge in the wet.

Switch to my car with 4 brand new and quite expensive Conti Sport Contact 5's and I couldn't get the ABS to trigger under my full weight on the pedal.

I'll never have cheap shit on again. Just so dangerous.

Pirelli P-Zeros had a certain reputation on Scoobys. They were known as Hedge Hunters. Deservedly so.

I had Eagle F1 GSD3s on my Scoob and they were awesome. My then housemate hated them on his Audi S3.

I had P-zeros on my civic and loved them, 60mph round a corner in 2nd gear...like being on rails.

Only got mid range tyres on at the moment and the difference is huge"

I had T1s on my Civic and liked them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doesn't really matter what tyres are fitted it's what's between the drivers ears that will keep you out of a ditch.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

A520's, T1R's, Michelin Energy Savers (surprisingly good and lasted 30,000miles), T1S's, Conti Sport 5 now on Hankook Optimo 4 season and Goodyear Vector 4 All seasons at the back.

Never knew I had a rubber fetish

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Doesn't really matter what tyres are fitted it's what's between the drivers ears that will keep you out of a ditch."

Can agree to an extent but an emergency lane change under braking doesn't work on shit tyres.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Doesn't really matter what tyres are fitted it's what's between the drivers ears that will keep you out of a ditch."

So put the same driver in the same car and send them round a track

You sure the tyres won't make a difference

I'm all up for saving on motoring costs but tyres and brakes are not a place to save it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Put Colin McRae on £50 rubber and me on £120 Pilot Sports and I don't think bidenbum will make me superior.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Doesn't really matter what tyres are fitted it's what's between the drivers ears that will keep you out of a ditch.

Can agree to an extent but an emergency lane change under braking doesn't work on shit tyres. "

If you find yourself in a situation where you have to make an emergency lane change under breaking then you're lacking between the ears to start with.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Doesn't really matter what tyres are fitted it's what's between the drivers ears that will keep you out of a ditch.

So put the same driver in the same car and send them round a track

You sure the tyres won't make a difference

I'm all up for saving on motoring costs but tyres and brakes are not a place to save it "

Agreed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

my garage is well overdue it's inspection and qc from vosa haven't seen anyone for nearly 2 years for anything. I love being an mot tester think I'm fair tester although every guy I've ever met while being a tester is far more knowledgeable and expert in mot testing than me but I'm the only person that's qualified to do it lol

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"That reminds me. Mine is due next month.

Mustn't forget."

I will get your engine running again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Put Colin McRae on £50 rubber and me on £120 Pilot Sports and I don't think bidenbum will make me superior."

Put average joe bloggs on a budget set and perform an emergency stop or go full pelt round a corner, the do the same with a premium set and compare the difference.

Same driver, same car, different tyres.

Tyres will be the main contributor to increased performance

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I always coincide the service with the MOT, on the basis they've got work, they're more likely to be helpful.

Also my garage MOT's it straight away, if it fails on something minor they'll fix it, major they ring. But been going there for years, garages are a bit like doctors to me, if you're satisfied why change them.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"That reminds me. Mine is due next month.

Mustn't forget.

I will get your engine running again

The engine runs fine. I just need to be certified in April.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Put Colin McRae on £50 rubber and me on £120 Pilot Sports and I don't think bidenbum will make me superior.

Put average joe bloggs on a budget set and perform an emergency stop or go full pelt round a corner, the do the same with a premium set and compare the difference.

Same driver, same car, different tyres.

Tyres will be the main contributor to increased performance

Get him to try the premium set first. He may not be around to try them after he tests the budget ones

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"my garage is well overdue it's inspection and qc from vosa haven't seen anyone for nearly 2 years for anything. I love being an mot tester think I'm fair tester although every guy I've ever met while being a tester is far more knowledgeable and expert in mot testing than me but I'm the only person that's qualified to do it lol"

Agreed- I point out literally it's my name on the ticket

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Doesn't really matter what tyres are fitted it's what's between the drivers ears that will keep you out of a ditch.

Can agree to an extent but an emergency lane change under braking doesn't work on shit tyres.

If you find yourself in a situation where you have to make an emergency lane change under breaking then you're lacking between the ears to start with."

Can't plan for everything

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Put Colin McRae on £50 rubber and me on £120 Pilot Sports and I don't think bidenbum will make me superior.

Put average joe bloggs on a budget set and perform an emergency stop or go full pelt round a corner, the do the same with a premium set and compare the difference.

Same driver, same car, different tyres.

Tyres will be the main contributor to increased performance

The biggest cause of rtc's in the UK is driver error, budget tyres/pads/discs will still perform to an adequate and safe standard.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Doesn't really matter what tyres are fitted it's what's between the drivers ears that will keep you out of a ditch.

Can agree to an extent but an emergency lane change under braking doesn't work on shit tyres.

If you find yourself in a situation where you have to make an emergency lane change under breaking then you're lacking between the ears to start with.

Can't plan for everything "

Yes you can.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Put Colin McRae on £50 rubber and me on £120 Pilot Sports and I don't think bidenbum will make me superior.

Put average joe bloggs on a budget set and perform an emergency stop or go full pelt round a corner, the do the same with a premium set and compare the difference.

Same driver, same car, different tyres.

Tyres will be the main contributor to increased performance

The biggest cause of rtc's in the UK is driver error, budget tyres/pads/discs will still perform to an adequate and safe standard."

Quite right but premium tyres/pads/discs will perform to a higher standard

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tyres are the single most important ingredient whether it be a push bike or formula 1 car.

If the car is not gripped to the road, don't matter what's above.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It's not possible to plan for everything. The human is not a machine and is fallible.

I accept you can be a conscientious driver and be well rested, stick to speed limits, but the real world contains too many variables.

How can you plan at any one second for a diesel spill you don't know is there?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Put Colin McRae on £50 rubber and me on £120 Pilot Sports and I don't think bidenbum will make me superior.

Put average joe bloggs on a budget set and perform an emergency stop or go full pelt round a corner, the do the same with a premium set and compare the difference.

Same driver, same car, different tyres.

Tyres will be the main contributor to increased performance

The biggest cause of rtc's in the UK is driver error, budget tyres/pads/discs will still perform to an adequate and safe standard.

Quite right but premium tyres/pads/discs will perform to a higher standard

I can go around the breakers and there's all sorts of wrecks with all sorts if tyres fitted, auto trader is full of 2yr old catD's with Michelin Bridgestones contis yokos goodies fitted and they didn't keep them out of a ditch, if you're a shit driver you're a shit driver regardless.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And I anything I'd argue that a shit driver thinking I'm okay I've got contis/greenstuff fitted they'll keep me out of trouble' is more of a danger.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not possible to plan for everything. The human is not a machine and is fallible.

I accept you can be a conscientious driver and be well rested, stick to speed limits, but the real world contains too many variables.

How can you plan at any one second for a diesel spill you don't know is there? "

Okay I accept my previous comment may have been a little sweeping but the fact remains driver ability (or lack of it) is the one most important factor in not being a etc statistic.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Amen to that. Education can be a powerful tool. Nature takes care of shit drivers

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Amen to that. Education can be a powerful tool. Nature takes care of shit drivers"

Unfortunately shit drivers take other people with them.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"That reminds me. Mine is due next month.

Mustn't forget."
snap you notuce you get a reminder for your tax but not your MOT wonder why that is ?

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"The amount of websites that pedal this urban myth

"Use the ones the councils use - there is a list on the internet - they have no incentive to invent or rip you off"

Really pissed me off - VOSA now DVSA who run the bloody thing found that in fact the opposite is true to a small percentage.

Also in effect what they are saying is DVSA cannot keep their own house in order by standardising testers.....

If you don't agree, get it tested elsewhere or use the appeal proceedure printed on your sheet.

The council did mine last year, passed with minors rather than failed with minors with a quote to repair.

Id use the council one for the rest of my life, makes sence

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"That reminds me. Mine is due next month.

Mustn't forget.snap you notuce you get a reminder for your tax but not your MOT wonder why that is ? "

I get reminders from the car dealer and other garages I've been to as well...I shop around lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I'll try and post that link, unfortunately for some cars it's the only time they see the inside of a garage.

Find 'matters of testing' and look at the horror stories.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"That reminds me. Mine is due next month.

Mustn't forget.snap you notuce you get a reminder for your tax but not your MOT wonder why that is ? "

Because you can put an mot on a car every day if you wanted to pay, and insurance companies require on after an accident repair usually so unlike tax it's not predictable when a car needs one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know of a guy who works at a council test centre that will pass any vehicle for £50!

I've reported him and I know of several other people who've reported him but he's still there and passing dangerous cars.

I'm anal about my cars, I'd rather it be put under a microscope and know it's 100% safe, it's my main form of transport, my kids are daily passengers in it, for the sake of a few quid it's not worth playing Russian roulette.

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

I have a lovely man who takes my car and does it's MOT

I hate garages and test centres

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What's the fine for not having an mot ... Anyone know out of curiosity

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

Remember an mot is the uks MINIMUM standard and cars in very poor condition can pass

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By *ushandkittyCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"Remember an mot is the uks MINIMUM standard and cars in very poor condition can pass"

and it only has to be at the minimum standard 'at time of test'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's the fine for not having an mot ... Anyone know out of curiosity

no idea but ive gone 6 months without one before and not got pulled or anything

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Remember an mot is the uks MINIMUM standard and cars in very poor condition can pass"

Plenty of places will also "pass" a car with DPF deletes, de-cats etc or cars that fail on emissions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's the fine for not having an mot ... Anyone know out of curiosity

no idea but ive gone 6 months without one before and not got pulled or anything

That's your insurance invalid then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's the fine for not having an mot ... Anyone know out of curiosity

no idea but ive gone 6 months without one before and not got pulled or anything

Hmmm..I'm not going to get on sanctimonious fucking soapbox here, but what if..just what if..you know, you hit someone or you have passengers in your car and the brakes fail.

Just think about that for a second....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's the fine for not having an mot ... Anyone know out of curiosity

£60 fixed penalty and no points, can go up to £1k if you bury your head in the sand, plus it invalidates your insurance, plus the chance of being hit for defective items...which will carry points.

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over a year ago

"What's the fine for not having an mot ... Anyone know out of curiosity

£60 fixed penalty and no points, can go up to £1k if you bury your head in the sand, plus it invalidates your insurance, plus the chance of being hit for defective items...which will carry points."
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Lol thanks was only asking as after reading this thread, I'm thinking mine might have run out

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over a year ago

"Doesn't really matter what tyres are fitted it's what's between the drivers ears that will keep you out of a ditch.

So put the same driver in the same car and send them round a track

You sure the tyres won't make a difference

I'm all up for saving on motoring costs but tyres and brakes are not a place to save it "
ahhh you see I listen to radio 2 and drive like an old man in my 20 year old van.... I don't think tyres will do anything for me

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It depends how much you take the P, i do so many cars I forgot mine for 3 months ?? but in fact had about 5 training tests on it with myself and other testers so got mixed up that i'd forgotten the real thing.

As for bent tickets it is getting tighter and DVSA have started making public knowledge with garages and companies that are suspended.

It also carries the risk of a criminal record as you are committing fraud on behalf of the government.

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over a year ago

"I honestly would rather get failed if it keeps me the fuck alive.

Same with people who buy cheap tyres.

I don't get it...

Tyres are the ONLY thing between you and the road, and infact, KEEPING you glued to the road.

I think gravity and a few other forces and coefficients might disagree with you.

I didn't have to tether my car the last time I took the wheels off

Yeah, I'm a pedant, I know.

And gravity is a law!!!

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By *oe bloggs69Man
over a year ago

fife

"Don't get me started on the benefits of winter tyres

I prefer the benefits of hibernation and therefore not needing winter tyres

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By *r and mrs sanddancerCouple
over a year ago

BOLDON COLLIERY

"What's the fine for not having an mot ... Anyone know out of curiosity

no idea but ive gone 6 months without one before and not got pulled or anything

now the mot is computerised the police can see if the car is insured, taxed and mot'd just on a radio check with out stoping you so when they do stop you its too late

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts

"Put Colin McRae on £50 rubber and me on £120 Pilot Sports and I don't think bidenbum will make me superior."

put colin mcrae on any tire you like and you will beat him ..... he died in 2007

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's the fine for not having an mot ... Anyone know out of curiosity

no idea but ive gone 6 months without one before and not got pulled or anything

Hmmm..I'm not going to get on sanctimonious fucking soapbox here, but what if..just what if..you know, you hit someone or you have passengers in your car and the brakes fail.

Just think about that for a second...."

was a van and was maintained by an mot tester so it was probably alot safer than something that had a mot 8/9 months ago, when realised it was over due took it for a test and passed with no advisories not bad for a 15 year old works vehicle

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

Been using the same garage for MOT and work I don't have facilities for myself, for the last 20 years.

I never take them a vehicle that I know is unsafe - I pre check it and do most routine maintenance and servicing.

They only charge me £25 m(loyalty discount) and I've only had one failure, when I hadn't spotted some welding being required underneath.

Best garage I know of and I reccommend them to all my friends.

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By *icked weaselCouple
over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

"Put Colin McRae on £50 rubber and me on £120 Pilot Sports and I don't think bidenbum will make me superior.

put colin mcrae on any tire you like and you will beat him ..... he died in 2007

No Need for the Smiley !!

Colin McRae would buy most of his tyres from the local Scrapyards in his very early days..

He was lucky enough to have both a race car and a street legal car..

Most of the income went on his racing car - so much so - He was even known to use Remoulds on his street legal car.. yes Re-moulds..

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

On the tyres issue, I agree that better tyres have better performance, but that any approved tyres should be at least adequate, and that by driving appropriately, most people will never have to rely on the enhanced performance of premium tyres.

I find the most cost effective way is to by premium brand part worns - £25 - £30 a time, including fitting, new valve, rim wire brushed and balanced. As opposed to £150 a time for the same tyres brand new.

Of course, they only last 6 months or so, as opposed to 18 months, but it's still half price. I get a puncture about every 2 or 3 years - if you've just paid £150 for a tyre and you get a rapid deflation on the motorway (as has happened to me me a number of times), then the tyre is scrap. If it's a £25 part worn, you don't care.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry some text went west so doesn't make complete sense.

Basically the myth is continuously pedaled around the web that a council run center is a 'fairer' MOT and Independents are more likely to rip you off and fail a car for no reason.

The reality is VOSA now DVSA looked into this and found council stations failed more cars (only slightly can't find the report to hand).

Being an honest business can be a disadvantage - people expect to be ripped off and seem disappointed when they are not. Nowt as strange as folk."

So what if they failed more cars...your logic is flawed

It's blindingly obvious that if they don't repair cars they have absolutely no vested interest in failing your car to get extra work.

Probably what happened is it was a small sample taken and the VOSA or whatever they are called are inherently more thorough/by the book and so fail more....good.

I want my car failed if it has stuff that genuinely fails the MOT as it's, mainly, safety related.... What I don't want is my car failing by a garage trying to extort extra cash giving me BS by someone who calls themselves an 'Engineer' and clearly isn't...

And, no, I don't work for garages etc but am an Engineer by profession.... I.e a real one that can and has designed car parts, do stress calcs etc... Not the guy who bolts the bits on who is NOT an Engineer and in most other countries wouldn't be allowed to use the term Engineer without at least a degree and professional qualifications...

And breath lol

Carry on x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What's an MOT?

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"What's the fine for not having an mot ... Anyone know out of curiosity

no idea but ive gone 6 months without one before and not got pulled or anything

Hmmm..I'm not going to get on sanctimonious fucking soapbox here, but what if..just what if..you know, you hit someone or you have passengers in your car and the brakes fail.

Just think about that for a second....

You'd still have been uninsured if you'd been involved in an accident. That could kind of suck for the other party/parties if it was your fault.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

What's an MOT?

Mouldy Old Trout

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Put Colin McRae on £50 rubber and me on £120 Pilot Sports and I don't think bidenbum will make me superior.

put colin mcrae on any tire you like and you will beat him ..... he died in 2007

Such was his genius put his cadaver on wooden cartwheels and he'd still beat me.

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over a year ago

"On the tyres issue, I agree that better tyres have better performance, but that any approved tyres should be at least adequate, and that by driving appropriately, most people will never have to rely on the enhanced performance of premium tyres.

The previous owner took them off their car for a reason...

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

The previous owner took them off their car for a reason..."

Yes, they usually have a puncture, but the sidewall is ok - the place they went to says, you might as well have a new tyre, and they sell the punctured one to the part worn people who repair them. Proper repairs to small punctures in an otherwise perfectly serviceable tyre are perfectly fine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But you're putting uneven tyre wear across the axle.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

"But you're putting uneven tyre wear across the axle."

yes that's true, but I pick ones with similar wear and tread patterns, swapping the wheels around to get the best match - and whilst I get a move on if the motorway is clear, I don't drive like a twat.

Around 300,000 miles done on part worns to date, with no tyr related issues

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"I honestly would rather get failed if it keeps me the fuck alive.

Same with people who buy cheap tyres.

I don't get it...

Tyres are the ONLY thing between you and the road, and infact, KEEPING you glued to the road.

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. Good point though if your car is regularly serviced it should not fail. Only a fool takes risks with tyres .

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over a year ago

and it's the suspension that keeps the tyres (budget mid range or premium) on the road, you'll run out of talent long before you run out of grip.

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple
over a year ago

near cardiff

"Doesn't really matter what tyres are fitted it's what's between the drivers ears that will keep you out of a ditch.

Can agree to an extent but an emergency lane change under braking doesn't work on shit tyres.

If you find yourself in a situation where you have to make an emergency lane change under breaking then you're lacking between the ears to start with.

Can't plan for everything

Yes you can."

No you can't...lost all electrics doing sixty on a sweeping bend on the a470,power steering went.within a second I was in the crash barrier..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

my car passed its mot this week - huge sigh of relief - its a mate who owns the business and he always lets me know if somthing needs keeping an eye on - he wouldnt dream of passing a car that wasnt up to standard - its his livelihood

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and would £150 tyres have saved your arse?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ehhhhh im lost ???

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

This makes me chuckle as I got an MOT for the motorcycle, the place I went to gave me a caution on the head bearings.

I took it somewhere else to get the rear tyre done, the guy there told me he would have failed it.

I would like there to be a standard level of tester, ok my bike might fail more things but then it would ultimately be safer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The local one drove a brand spanker straight down the pit

think I'll pass meself

And people ask me why I have never had work done at a garage, except for the odd MOT work. Even then it was a rip off, on occasions. Was once charged more than £20 to replace the wiper rubbers ! Yes, I mean the rubber only. Why would you bother? A bit like replacing a broom head. Its simply miserly.

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over a year ago

Don't MOT test stations need to show a certain level of advisories or failures these days to avoid being investigated for passing everything regardless. Is this why they like to MOT your car BEFORE servicing, assuming they are a repair garage of course, it so they can advise or fail, then do the work and pass it? Even if you tell them you know, for example, a bulb has failed and to replace it before the MOT. Yes, I know, who drives or turns up with a failed bulb, its just an example.

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over a year ago

"The local one drove a brand spanker straight down the pit

think I'll pass meself

i do things like this myself - wouldnt pay 20 for a 2 minute job

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

My broom has had 17 new heads and 12 new stales over the years. "Look after your broom Dave"

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over a year ago

" Was once charged more than £20 to replace the wiper rubbers ! Yes, I mean the rubber only. Why would you bother? A bit like replacing a broom head. Its simply miserly."

That's not as silly as it first sounds, typical £60hr+ labour and the invoice won't break down lower than 15 minute increments so add the part & vat and it sounds about right.

As for differing standards it's not about trying to screw work out of gullible/innocent customers and all down to the vague nature of the test, the emissions is a simple pass fail because the machine says pass or fail, same with the lights brakes or tyre depth it's all measurable and standardised but how do you measure excessive play in a ball joint? one mans pass is another mans advisory.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wait

I can put a broom on as my wipers ??

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

" Was once charged more than £20 to replace the wiper rubbers ! Yes, I mean the rubber only. Why would you bother? A bit like replacing a broom head. Its simply miserly.

As another poster said, it's not an unreasonable charge due to the labour. I carry spare wiper arms (I do change the rubbers - the carriers last about 3 or 4 sets of rubbers before they're a bit tired), bulbs, fuses, alternator belt and other bits and bobs, but always check everything before an MOT.

Had a bulb fail at the MOT station once and changed it whilst they were doing other parts of the test (the place I go, trust me not to get in the way and be a twat).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have mine serviced at a Honda dealership, they're awesome really impressed with them.

Had it serviced last week and they pointed out that the exhaust will now fail an MOT (apparently straight pipes are frowned upon now)

Spent quite a while talking to one of the guys down there about the mods ive got, then got the offer to bring it in for a wash and vac when I'm about in town...result !!

Made me laugh that they'd been running the sound system whilst it was in, they forgot to turn it off when I got back in

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"Don't MOT test stations need to show a certain level of advisories or failures these days to avoid being investigated for passing everything regardless. Is this why they like to MOT your car BEFORE servicing, assuming they are a repair garage of course, it so they can advise or fail, then do the work and pass it? Even if you tell them you know, for example, a bulb has failed and to replace it before the MOT. Yes, I know, who drives or turns up with a failed bulb, its just an example."
. Interesting point . I always ask for a full service and MOT. I often wondered why they did the MOT first . I also. prefer to pay the full price for an MOT as I assume that the cheap offers are only a ploy to bring additional. work into a garage ..

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By *ushandkittyCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"Don't MOT test stations need to show a certain level of advisories or failures these days to avoid being investigated for passing everything regardless. Is this why they like to MOT your car BEFORE servicing, assuming they are a repair garage of course, it so they can advise or fail, then do the work and pass it? Even if you tell them you know, for example, a bulb has failed and to replace it before the MOT. Yes, I know, who drives or turns up with a failed bulb, its just an example.. Interesting point . I always ask for a full service and MOT. I often wondered why they did the MOT first . I also. prefer to pay the full price for an MOT as I assume that the cheap offers are only a ploy to bring additional. work into a garage .."

The mot is done first to save time on the service, for example the mechanic servicing the vehicle needn't check the lights as they have already been checked (except reverse and front fog lamps).

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over a year ago

I try to mot first. An MOT and a service are not the same thing.

Also garages are businesses and have to charge for everything they do unless the odd freebie is given. Even at trade prices giving wipers away and fitting for free cost money that adds up.

Most people have no concept of do it yourself anymore so I charge. I have to to survive.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

Out of interest how meny people stay and watch it be done? You jave the right to and lots are surprised by how much you actually do.

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over a year ago

Hertford

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over a year ago

Hertford

"I try to mot first. An MOT and a service are not the same thing.

Also garages are businesses and have to charge for everything they do unless the odd freebie is given. Even at trade prices giving wipers away and fitting for free cost money that adds up.

Most people have no concept of do it yourself anymore so I charge. I have to to survive."
. I thought that the twenty pounds for changing a wiper was very reasonable . If your car is regularly serviced you can probably avoid having to go to a garage for these one offs as they will have identified it during the service.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im a tester i get the privilege of testing my own car for free

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over a year ago

My broom has had 17 new heads and 12 new stales over the years. "Look after your broom Dave""

Ha ha ! I was thinking about this when I wrote it.

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over a year ago

I'd only ever use an independent test centre and not a garage.

Luckily for me I know lots of mot testers but I often hear horror stories. I'd never use the big dealership for service either. When I was working in a not station the amount of cars that came straight from dealers and Had faults... Shocking really.

I had always checked my car over well before it went for testing. Luckily currently don't need to worry as cars a lease car

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