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By *uby0000 OP   Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

anyone see this last night? ... parent abuse is on the increase...why?

ive had this problem myself when my daughter lost control ... what would you do if your children started hitting you?

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple
over a year ago

near cardiff

Hit the little fucker back..nice round house kick to head,or a sweet uppercut will soon remind em that the bully tactics ain't gonna work against someone 3/4 times heavier,and twice their height.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When most of us were kids, we probably got our ass slapped and we learned not to be cheeky.

You're not allowed to 'physically educate' your child anymore.

Plus this generation is 'the entitled generation'. They expect to get everything they want.

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By *uby0000 OP   Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire


"When most of us were kids, we probably got our ass slapped and we learned not to be cheeky.

You're not allowed to 'physically educate' your child anymore.

Plus this generation is 'the entitled generation'. They expect to get everything they want."

true but the programme was also about AHDD kids they said its frustration but is it?

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple
over a year ago

near cardiff

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"When most of us were kids, we probably got our ass slapped and we learned not to be cheeky.

You're not allowed to 'physically educate' your child anymore.

Plus this generation is 'the entitled generation'. They expect to get everything they want.

true but the programme was also about AHDD kids they said its frustration but is it?"

Then the parents should be educated about the disorder. That way they can deal with what happens.

Could also be bad diet.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Frustration... spoilt with no discipline...

Tomayto... tomahto...

A few kids genuinely have behavioural difficulties for various reasons but nowhere near as many as are being diagnosed, in my opinion (based on no specialist knowledge or statistics, just experience and observation).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"When most of us were kids, we probably got our ass slapped and we learned not to be cheeky.

You're not allowed to 'physically educate' your child anymore.

Plus this generation is 'the entitled generation'. They expect to get everything they want."

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By *abes in the woodWoman
over a year ago

wales

Yeah good programne my youngest got behaviour problem get support help with it so yes it can be hard work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I feel kids are pushed to do too much, too soon these days. They separate from parents at a young age (less stay at home mums) start school very young, are expected to be reading and writing ridiculously early.

They have extreme emotions they struggle to express verbally so it comes out physically when they are under extreme stress.

Add in that most kids TV shows violence as a way of solving problems. And I'm not surprised tbh.

Lastly kids get almost no exercise! They are forced to sit down for far too long at school then come home and sit down for TV or computers.

My kids are both proprioceptive seekers.

Proprioception is our 7th sense. Shut your eyes. Do you still know where your feet are? Can you touch your fingers on opposite hands together? That's our proprioceptive sense.

A lot of kids don't have a good proprioceptive sense. These are the kids who stamp everywhere. Who love to shove and crash into things. Who adore to push heavy furniture around. They are often afraid of the dark because when it's dark they can't sense where their body is in space.

Imagine that feeling.

Very scary.

Proprioception is tied into emotional regulation.

These kids need a good dose of proprioceptive input (crashing, jumping, banging, pushing and pulling activities) every day in order to remain I control of their emotions, and impulses.

When they are upset, their body seeks to regulate FAST.

So they hit and kick. Biting is another thing that give proprioception.

My kid often attacks me because they just need that input. And because my kid's verbal skills vanish when they are upset. And often when they have sensory overload (eg. I touched them) or their expectations weren't met (eg. I gave them the wrong amount of milk).

They had got to the point of attacking me around every 20 minutes.

Strangely, no one really knew how to help. These parents, we, are left to it.

Punishing increases anxiety and made them a billion times worse.

I bought them a punch bag thingy and within a day their violence towards me was non-existent.

I've also worked on teaching them to stamp their feet when they are angry. It's a HUGE work in progress.

My other kid is a serial biter. I redirect to chewy tubes a lot (a sensory toy).

And we are working on anger management for them.

They do have a lot of problems. But even kids without a diagnosis can have a milder form of the same issues.

It's well documented that the part of the brain that controls speech shuts down under a lot of stress. How else is a kid supposed to communicate their extreme frustration?

Oh and we have used flash cards, sign language and a scripted sentence to repeat to show their anger to me without being aggressive.

We've tried a lot of things.

It's mostly working.

The key thing, which I struggle with, is to only place them in situations that they are capable of handling emotionally. But unfortunately school is a legal requirement and it's a source of a lot of their stress.

So as a parent you become a punchbag that's constantly treading on eggshells. And also fighting non stop battles to get support for various agencies. And going on training courses to learn about all this stuff. Browsing blogs of parents for tips and ideas. It's a 24/7 occupation.

Hope this little insight helps.

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By *abes in the woodWoman
over a year ago

wales


"I feel kids are pushed to do too much, too soon these days. They separate from parents at a young age (less stay at home mums) start school very young, are expected to be reading and writing ridiculously early.

They have extreme emotions they struggle to express verbally so it comes out physically when they are under extreme stress. Really interesting see I can learn new parenting skills of another parent

Add in that most kids TV shows violence as a way of solving problems. And I'm not surprised tbh.

Lastly kids get almost no exercise! They are forced to sit down for far too long at school then come home and sit down for TV or computers.

My kids are both proprioceptive seekers.

Proprioception is our 7th sense. Shut your eyes. Do you still know where your feet are? Can you touch your fingers on opposite hands together? That's our proprioceptive sense.

A lot of kids don't have a good proprioceptive sense. These are the kids who stamp everywhere. Who love to shove and crash into things. Who adore to push heavy furniture around. They are often afraid of the dark because when it's dark they can't sense where their body is in space.

Imagine that feeling.

Very scary.

Proprioception is tied into emotional regulation.

These kids need a good dose of proprioceptive input (crashing, jumping, banging, pushing and pulling activities) every day in order to remain I control of their emotions, and impulses.

When they are upset, their body seeks to regulate FAST.

So they hit and kick. Biting is another thing that give proprioception.

My kid often attacks me because they just need that input. And because my kid's verbal skills vanish when they are upset. And often when they have sensory overload (eg. I touched them) or their expectations weren't met (eg. I gave them the wrong amount of milk).

They had got to the point of attacking me around every 20 minutes.

Strangely, no one really knew how to help. These parents, we, are left to it.

Punishing increases anxiety and made them a billion times worse.

I bought them a punch bag thingy and within a day their violence towards me was non-existent.

I've also worked on teaching them to stamp their feet when they are angry. It's a HUGE work in progress.

My other kid is a serial biter. I redirect to chewy tubes a lot (a sensory toy).

And we are working on anger management for them.

They do have a lot of problems. But even kids without a diagnosis can have a milder form of the same issues.

It's well documented that the part of the brain that controls speech shuts down under a lot of stress. How else is a kid supposed to communicate their extreme frustration?

Oh and we have used flash cards, sign language and a scripted sentence to repeat to show their anger to me without being aggressive.

We've tried a lot of things.

It's mostly working.

The key thing, which I struggle with, is to only place them in situations that they are capable of handling emotionally. But unfortunately school is a legal requirement and it's a source of a lot of their stress.

So as a parent you become a punchbag that's constantly treading on eggshells. And also fighting non stop battles to get support for various agencies. And going on training courses to learn about all this stuff. Browsing blogs of parents for tips and ideas. It's a 24/7 occupation.

Hope this little insight helps. "

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By *MOOTH AND ROUGHCouple
over a year ago

tamworth

We have a son who is on the autistic spectrum firstly we thought he had dyslexia but found out it was dyspraxia with this adhd is part of it we also did think he had traits of autism which we had confirmed late last year . We used to say look at that child they need a good smack but parents need educating as well I'm a very strict parent and used to punish my child a lot but you can't punish someone who can't really help it.some days are better than others and at times it is quiet challenging

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

The Bash Street Kids eh, The Beano's got a lot to answer for

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a teacher I see...

Kids who have behavioural issues that are related to their condition - I'm totally understandable!

But on the other hand..

I have met kids with severe behavioural issues because that's the way they are brought up. I have seen some parents swear, scream and push their children because they are late from school. Some parents only seem to have kids for the benefit and don't give a shit about them - all this leads to violent outbursts because their emotions are affected - I get annoyed with the parents here!

For me, kids get away with far too much these days. They have too much freedom and not enough structure. They lack manners and respect - I dread to think about some of them breeding!

It's a vicious circle, but ultimately if it's not a condition they are born with, it mostly lies with the parents and the environment they are brought up in.

I know some people may disagree with me on my views, I'm talking from working with kids all the time.

I have been asked numerous times by parents to diagnose their children with ADHD, Dyslexia etc so they can claim benefit or get free transport!

Also I have had many parents admit they don't have time for their children either.

I hate it when kids are violent, problem is kids know they have so many rights these days and are 'untouchable' -'this is where the problem lies.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"As a teacher I see...

Kids who have behavioural issues that are related to their condition - I'm totally understandable!

But on the other hand..

I have met kids with severe behavioural issues because that's the way they are brought up. I have seen some parents swear, scream and push their children because they are late from school. Some parents only seem to have kids for the benefit and don't give a shit about them - all this leads to violent outbursts because their emotions are affected - I get annoyed with the parents here!

For me, kids get away with far too much these days. They have too much freedom and not enough structure. They lack manners and respect - I dread to think about some of them breeding!

It's a vicious circle, but ultimately if it's not a condition they are born with, it mostly lies with the parents and the environment they are brought up in.

I know some people may disagree with me on my views, I'm talking from working with kids all the time.

I have been asked numerous times by parents to diagnose their children with ADHD, Dyslexia etc so they can claim benefit or get free transport!

Also I have had many parents admit they don't have time for their children either.

I hate it when kids are violent, problem is kids know they have so many rights these days and are 'untouchable' -'this is where the problem lies.

"

I agree that although there are children with genuine problems, such as autism, many behavioural issues are the product of poor parenting.

My step-son is a classic example. Strangely his ADHD and general behaviour improved massively when he moved in with us, got plenty of sleep and properly enforced boundaries. Not to mention doubling his reading age before he finished school.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And the parents no doubt act that way because that's the way they were brought up.

Don't forget the number of adults with undiagnosed ASD/ADHD and other disorders who never got support as a kid or adult and were never taught to manage their emotional outbursts.

Those adults are now having kids.

ASD is definitely genetic. And there's a real overlap between OCD, ADHD, ASD and other comorbid conditions.

I see it constantly - parents with (correctly) diagnosed kids and you can see the difficulties some of those parents are suffering from.

Looking back to my teaching days, there were some lovely kids who were obviously struggling behaviourally.

And then there were some kids who were just plain nasty and malicious for no obvious reason.

But I'm sure there is always a reason. Whether some hidden disorder, or they were never given enough love and attention. Who knows?

Kids are similar to adults in lots of ways but don't forget their brains are very immature. I've been reading up on executive functioning skills recently. They are a good predictor of how well a child will succeed as an adult. Some kids just have much better EF skills than others.

The ones with poor EF skills (impulse control, problem solving, motor planning, emotional regulation) can be taught to improve but it takes years.

Take motor planning. That's knowing the sequence of things to make something happen. Eg. To make tea, you need to plan in your head to - get cup, fill kettle, switch kettle on, put tea bag in cup, etc. All in the right order.

That's why you get some kids who can do advanced calculus but can't make their bed.

And both EF skills and sensory processing problems can come and go - the problems aren't static.

So one day he does make the bed. And the parent assumes he's just lazy. The kid gets punished repeatedly for refusing to make the bed. And his self esteem drops - "why can't I do something so simple?" and then he takes it out on someone else and the downward spiral begins. Parent resorts to being a shouty swearing parent because nothing is working and they feel like a failure so mismanage their kid out of fear and hurt themselves.

And there are thousands of kids and families in exactly this trap.

I truly believe no kid wants to be an utter twat. But that they behave according to their situation. And I think it's easy to judge on the surface. Kids and parents.

As a teacher (back when I had no kids) I judged all the time. I think this is probably karma. I want to go back and give them all a hug.

I have been judged and judged for years, by strangers and those closest to me. It's fun when you are not only fighting through each day by the skin of your teeth but then you're forced to justify your actions to everyone. Believe me, if typical parenting worked on my kids, I'd do it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As a teacher I see...

Kids who have behavioural issues that are related to their condition - I'm totally understandable!

But on the other hand..

I have met kids with severe behavioural issues because that's the way they are brought up. I have seen some parents swear, scream and push their children because they are late from school. Some parents only seem to have kids for the benefit and don't give a shit about them - all this leads to violent outbursts because their emotions are affected - I get annoyed with the parents here!

For me, kids get away with far too much these days. They have too much freedom and not enough structure. They lack manners and respect - I dread to think about some of them breeding!

It's a vicious circle, but ultimately if it's not a condition they are born with, it mostly lies with the parents and the environment they are brought up in.

I know some people may disagree with me on my views, I'm talking from working with kids all the time.

I have been asked numerous times by parents to diagnose their children with ADHD, Dyslexia etc so they can claim benefit or get free transport!

Also I have had many parents admit they don't have time for their children either.

I hate it when kids are violent, problem is kids know they have so many rights these days and are 'untouchable' -'this is where the problem lies.

I agree that although there are children with genuine problems, such as autism, many behavioural issues are the product of poor parenting.

My step-son is a classic example. Strangely his ADHD and general behaviour improved massively when he moved in with us, got plenty of sleep and properly enforced boundaries. Not to mention doubling his reading age before he finished school. "

I obviously don't know the kid involved but I'd like to point out that any kid with ADHD or ASD is going to improve massively with extra sleep, proper structure, etc. Doesn't mean he doesn't have that issue.

Well done for helping him, sounds like you did good.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ppl think bad only comes in adults

That's why both parents need to be present to give a balanced understanding of how bodies work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think there is a time and place for punishment, this includes smacking a child.

I got smacked when I was a little shot, I deserved it as well.

Look what has happened to kids that know they can get away with murder and just get told don't do that it's naughty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Will add that I do not condone beating a child.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As a teacher I see...

Kids who have behavioural issues that are related to their condition - I'm totally understandable!

But on the other hand..

I have met kids with severe behavioural issues because that's the way they are brought up. I have seen some parents swear, scream and push their children because they are late from school. Some parents only seem to have kids for the benefit and don't give a shit about them - all this leads to violent outbursts because their emotions are affected - I get annoyed with the parents here!

For me, kids get away with far too much these days. They have too much freedom and not enough structure. They lack manners and respect - I dread to think about some of them breeding!

It's a vicious circle, but ultimately if it's not a condition they are born with, it mostly lies with the parents and the environment they are brought up in.

I know some people may disagree with me on my views, I'm talking from working with kids all the time.

I have been asked numerous times by parents to diagnose their children with ADHD, Dyslexia etc so they can claim benefit or get free transport!

Also I have had many parents admit they don't have time for their children either.

I hate it when kids are violent, problem is kids know they have so many rights these days and are 'untouchable' -'this is where the problem lies.

"

As much as i agree with this i fear that we are in the second generation of i know my rights you cant touch me, Not only in School but parenting as well, As far as i know we are the only Animal on this earth that doesn't physically Chastise our offspring but hey every other Mammal must be doing it wrong because we are the superior species

Gimp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As a teacher I see...

Kids who have behavioural issues that are related to their condition - I'm totally understandable!

But on the other hand..

I have met kids with severe behavioural issues because that's the way they are brought up. I have seen some parents swear, scream and push their children because they are late from school. Some parents only seem to have kids for the benefit and don't give a shit about them - all this leads to violent outbursts because their emotions are affected - I get annoyed with the parents here!

For me, kids get away with far too much these days. They have too much freedom and not enough structure. They lack manners and respect - I dread to think about some of them breeding!

It's a vicious circle, but ultimately if it's not a condition they are born with, it mostly lies with the parents and the environment they are brought up in.

I know some people may disagree with me on my views, I'm talking from working with kids all the time.

I have been asked numerous times by parents to diagnose their children with ADHD, Dyslexia etc so they can claim benefit or get free transport!

Also I have had many parents admit they don't have time for their children either.

I hate it when kids are violent, problem is kids know they have so many rights these days and are 'untouchable' -'this is where the problem lies.

As much as i agree with this i fear that we are in the second generation of i know my rights you cant touch me, Not only in School but parenting as well, As far as i know we are the only Animal on this earth that doesn't physically Chastise our offspring but hey every other Mammal must be doing it wrong because we are the superior species

Gimp"

There has been some instances where I wish they would bring back the cane!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've smacked my kids a few times when they were younger and also now there older, I didn't have a problem doing, I think it serves a point at the right time!.

Mostly we've all grown to realise when you can push and when you can't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I ever hit my parents I seriously would be for the high jump.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

thats the difference between kids of the older generations and kids nowadays sadly, i certainly hope my one stays mannerable and not a little besteward like most his age

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As a teacher I see...

Kids who have behavioural issues that are related to their condition - I'm totally understandable!

But on the other hand..

I have met kids with severe behavioural issues because that's the way they are brought up. I have seen some parents swear, scream and push their children because they are late from school. Some parents only seem to have kids for the benefit and don't give a shit about them - all this leads to violent outbursts because their emotions are affected - I get annoyed with the parents here!

For me, kids get away with far too much these days. They have too much freedom and not enough structure. They lack manners and respect - I dread to think about some of them breeding!

It's a vicious circle, but ultimately if it's not a condition they are born with, it mostly lies with the parents and the environment they are brought up in.

I know some people may disagree with me on my views, I'm talking from working with kids all the time.

I have been asked numerous times by parents to diagnose their children with ADHD, Dyslexia etc so they can claim benefit or get free transport!

Also I have had many parents admit they don't have time for their children either.

I hate it when kids are violent, problem is kids know they have so many rights these days and are 'untouchable' -'this is where the problem lies.

As much as i agree with this i fear that we are in the second generation of i know my rights you cant touch me, Not only in School but parenting as well, As far as i know we are the only Animal on this earth that doesn't physically Chastise our offspring but hey every other Mammal must be doing it wrong because we are the superior species

Gimp

There has been some instances where I wish they would bring back the cane!"

Damn! i agree again..Please post something Controversial

Gimp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would never have dreamed of hitting my parents, and if I ever answered back - I knew not to do it again.

one of the things I hate is when I've been punched by a child and I get asked what I DID to MAKE him do it!

In the real world, it's ASSAULT and he should be expelled - never happens these days. Always the teachers fault.

"Little Johnny was hurling abuse around he classroom and throwing pencils, I told him to stop it and to leave the room - he came over and hit me"

I know of one teacher who got into trouble cause a girl went to punch her and she moved out of the way. The kids fist hit the wall and she bruised her knuckles. The teacher got into trouble for moving and not softening the blow!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would never have dreamed of hitting my parents, and if I ever answered back - I knew not to do it again.

one of the things I hate is when I've been punched by a child and I get asked what I DID to MAKE him do it!

In the real world, it's ASSAULT and he should be expelled - never happens these days. Always the teachers fault.

"Little Johnny was hurling abuse around he classroom and throwing pencils, I told him to stop it and to leave the room - he came over and hit me"

I know of one teacher who got into trouble cause a girl went to punch her and she moved out of the way. The kids fist hit the wall and she bruised her knuckles. The teacher got into trouble for moving and not softening the blow!"

Do you work in mainstream or SEN.

If you work in SEN, then where should these kids be expelled to? Some of these kids are terrified of school because the environment is wrong. My kids would LOVE it if they got expelled.

I am terrified they are going to connect the dots between hitting teachers and me picking them up for the rest of the day.

Teachers need far more training on SEN. When I trained I wasn't taught anything about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I feel kids are pushed to do too much, too soon these days. They separate from parents at a young age (less stay at home mums) start school very young, are expected to be reading and writing ridiculously early.

They have extreme emotions they struggle to express verbally so it comes out physically when they are under extreme stress.

Add in that most kids TV shows violence as a way of solving problems. And I'm not surprised tbh.

Lastly kids get almost no exercise! They are forced to sit down for far too long at school then come home and sit down for TV or computers.

My kids are both proprioceptive seekers.

Proprioception is our 7th sense. Shut your eyes. Do you still know where your feet are? Can you touch your fingers on opposite hands together? That's our proprioceptive sense.

A lot of kids don't have a good proprioceptive sense. These are the kids who stamp everywhere. Who love to shove and crash into things. Who adore to push heavy furniture around. They are often afraid of the dark because when it's dark they can't sense where their body is in space.

Imagine that feeling.

Very scary.

Proprioception is tied into emotional regulation.

These kids need a good dose of proprioceptive input (crashing, jumping, banging, pushing and pulling activities) every day in order to remain I control of their emotions, and impulses.

When they are upset, their body seeks to regulate FAST.

So they hit and kick. Biting is another thing that give proprioception.

My kid often attacks me because they just need that input. And because my kid's verbal skills vanish when they are upset. And often when they have sensory overload (eg. I touched them) or their expectations weren't met (eg. I gave them the wrong amount of milk).

They had got to the point of attacking me around every 20 minutes.

Strangely, no one really knew how to help. These parents, we, are left to it.

Punishing increases anxiety and made them a billion times worse.

I bought them a punch bag thingy and within a day their violence towards me was non-existent.

I've also worked on teaching them to stamp their feet when they are angry. It's a HUGE work in progress.

My other kid is a serial biter. I redirect to chewy tubes a lot (a sensory toy).

And we are working on anger management for them.

They do have a lot of problems. But even kids without a diagnosis can have a milder form of the same issues.

It's well documented that the part of the brain that controls speech shuts down under a lot of stress. How else is a kid supposed to communicate their extreme frustration?

Oh and we have used flash cards, sign language and a scripted sentence to repeat to show their anger to me without being aggressive.

We've tried a lot of things.

It's mostly working.

The key thing, which I struggle with, is to only place them in situations that they are capable of handling emotionally. But unfortunately school is a legal requirement and it's a source of a lot of their stress.

So as a parent you become a punchbag that's constantly treading on eggshells. And also fighting non stop battles to get support for various agencies. And going on training courses to learn about all this stuff. Browsing blogs of parents for tips and ideas. It's a 24/7 occupation.

Hope this little insight helps. "

exactly this

then throw into the mix a physical disability x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My little brother was always a bit of a little shit. Proper mouthy. I remember he always played the tough kid then one day when we was 18 he was a little too mouthy and got knocked for 6 by some kid. He came running to his older brother (me) to help me fight his fight. I said no and that let it be a lesson to you. Now he's surprisingly chilled out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"When most of us were kids, we probably got our ass slapped and we learned not to be cheeky.

You're not allowed to 'physically educate' your child anymore.

Plus this generation is 'the entitled generation'. They expect to get everything they want.

true but the programme was also about AHDD kids they said its frustration but is it?"

ADHD my middle brother had it, 6 of us and hes the only 1, we all got slapped arses if naughty so wasn't just lack of discipline/control or shit parenting like in a lot of cases, nor diet as we removed all E numbers and artificial colours and sweeteners and it made bob all difference, he was different and difficult from day 1, his temper was frightening, as was his lack of fear, he was also incredibably bright, just easily distracted, very short ettention span, and got frustrated as a result. now a normal 22 yr old lad, but its a miracle he made it the lil sod!

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