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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

How many of you had family working at a coal mine?

I work at one of the last 3 coal mines in England which will all be closed by the end of the year!!

Can't believe the government has killed off 1 of the national heritages

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By *lshere77Man
over a year ago

Wigan

I went through the miners strike....told everyone what would happen back then....but no one believed it. Polish and South African coal being imported at record levels. .......Welcome to Conservatism.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All the men in my family worked down the pits... generations of them... one day they came up from their shifts to be told tally up that's it... pit closed... awful time.. the community was devastated ... dreadful time xx

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By *lshere77Man
over a year ago

Wigan

It was an awful time indeed, I moved away after they shut all the pits in my area, when I see the town now its depressing, it still hasnt recovered....Maggie had alot to answer for

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Gutted that ours is closing, government say it's not viable for the tax payers money... but sending billions abroad in aid is

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By *lshere77Man
over a year ago

Wigan

Disgusting, they don't give a toss about the damage they are doing

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"It was an awful time indeed, I moved away after they shut all the pits in my area, when I see the town now its depressing, it still hasnt recovered....Maggie had alot to answer for"

And the EU for meeting its green/low carbon emission targets, meanwhile China is building upto 2 new coal-fired power stations per week (what is the EU going to do about that?)

And yes i had many relatives who worked down the pits/mines but they all lost their jobs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many of you had family working at a coal mine?

I work at one of the last 3 coal mines in England which will all be closed by the end of the year!!

Can't believe the government has killed off 1 of the national heritages

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It strange as we get it now from over seas so there is a market .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many of you had family working at a coal mine?

I work at one of the last 3 coal mines in England which will all be closed by the end of the year!!

Can't believe the government has killed off 1 of the national heritages

It strange as we get it now from over seas so there is a market ."

Don't get me wrong as I supported the miners' strike but if it is more economical to import coal than to produce it ...

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By *lshere77Man
over a year ago

Wigan

That is the whole point. ...it never was. The country has spent billions on paying unemployment benfit and redevelopment for the affected areas.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My dad worked at clipstone, I believe it was the last to close if not one of the last, he carried on working there after budge bought it out, my grandad worked at crown farm and I had a couple of uncles work at warsop vale, where I grew up everyone's dad worked down the pit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I went through the miners strike....told everyone what would happen back then....but no one believed it. Polish and South African coal being imported at record levels. .......Welcome to Conservatism."

Harold Wilson closed more mines than Thatcher.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many of you had family working at a coal mine?

I work at one of the last 3 coal mines in England which will all be closed by the end of the year!!

Can't believe the government has killed off 1 of the national heritages

Just out of interest what pit are still open I though they had all closed over here now

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I worked at welbeck, but when that closed I moved to kellingley in Wakefield

Such a shame

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many of you had family working at a coal mine?

I work at one of the last 3 coal mines in England which will all be closed by the end of the year!!

Can't believe the government has killed off 1 of the national heritages

It strange as we get it now from over seas so there is a market .

Don't get me wrong as I supported the miners' strike but if it is more economical to import coal than to produce it ..."
Well they should have looked at ways to make it more economical .

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"How many of you had family working at a coal mine?

I work at one of the last 3 coal mines in England which will all be closed by the end of the year!!

Can't believe the government has killed off 1 of the national heritages

Just out of interest what pit are still open I though they had all closed over here now "

Rugeley Power station is still open.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"How many of you had family working at a coal mine?

I work at one of the last 3 coal mines in England which will all be closed by the end of the year!!

Can't believe the government has killed off 1 of the national heritages

Just out of interest what pit are still open I though they had all closed over here now

Rugeley Power station is still open. "

Not sure if the mine/pit is or if it runs on imported coal though?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"How many of you had family working at a coal mine?

I work at one of the last 3 coal mines in England which will all be closed by the end of the year!!

Can't believe the government has killed off 1 of the national heritages

It strange as we get it now from over seas so there is a market .

Don't get me wrong as I supported the miners' strike but if it is more economical to import coal than to produce it ...Well they should have looked at ways to make it more economical ."

They've just ploughed millions of pounds into a carbon capture power station not 2 miles from where I work yet shut the pit that supplies it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I worked at welbeck, but when that closed I moved to kellingley in Wakefield

Such a shame "

Was that the one in meden vale?

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By *untime biatchWoman
over a year ago

ova by ea wales

All my family worked in pit my brother was on if the last out of the mine in north wales

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I worked at welbeck, but when that closed I moved to kellingley in Wakefield

Such a shame

Was that the one in meden vale?"

It was indeed yep x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I worked at welbeck, but when that closed I moved to kellingley in Wakefield

Such a shame

Was that the one in meden vale?

It was indeed yep x"

See how good my memory is

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I worked at welbeck, but when that closed I moved to kellingley in Wakefield

Such a shame

Was that the one in meden vale?

It was indeed yep x

I can see Clipstone headstocks out of my windows x

See how good my memory is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many of you had family working at a coal mine?

I work at one of the last 3 coal mines in England which will all be closed by the end of the year!!

Can't believe the government has killed off 1 of the national heritages

Not just England, they killed off Scotland's mines too

Miners are real hard working men

unlike the likes of Cameron and wimpy Miliband, Ed Balls, Danny Alexander and the likes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lmao can you, in that care your probably live in the same street I used to live, obviously won't mention its name, back of the pit the houses with the funny roofs

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Lmao can you, in that care your probably live in the same street I used to live, obviously won't mention its name, back of the pit the houses with the funny roofs

Lol no not them ones. Very close tho x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Lmao can you, in that care your probably live in the same street I used to live, obviously won't mention its name, back of the pit the houses with the funny roofs

Lol no not them ones. Very close tho x"

Phew my ex in-laws still live there I thought you could be neighbours

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many of you had family working at a coal mine?

I work at one of the last 3 coal mines in England which will all be closed by the end of the year!!

Can't believe the government has killed off 1 of the national heritages

It strange as we get it now from over seas so there is a market .

Don't get me wrong as I supported the miners' strike but if it is more economical to import coal than to produce it ...Well they should have looked at ways to make it more economical ."

I am sure that "they" did. The sad but inevitable capitalist truth is that if a business has failed then, unless there are compelling other reasons, it cannot be supported by the nation. There are many business owners and employees who would wish it otherwise.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Lmao can you, in that care your probably live in the same street I used to live, obviously won't mention its name, back of the pit the houses with the funny roofs

Lol no not them ones. Very close tho x

Phew my ex in-laws still live there I thought you could be neighbours

Lol gladly not xx

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By *arnayguyMan
over a year ago

Durham Tees

".......Welcome to Conservatism.

Harold Wilson closed more mines than Thatcher. "

Exactly!!! As sad as it is the angry comments and blame are always directed at Maggie, the conservatives, now the current government. The fact it was the arch leftie Tony Benn who closed the most pits is always conveniently ignored or blanked out by the people who are determined to blame the Tories for all of it.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Most of my family, most of the lads I went to school with - their dad's were pitmen. Thorsby is still working, but is earmarked for closure.

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By *lshere77Man
over a year ago

Wigan

Are you for real? Maggie closed all the pits in the 80's......its well documented that she was drawing up the plans for the miners strike years before it happened. ...sorry but I have to say this....you need to go to the toilet...look in the mirror and have a word with youself! This country has never recovered from the selfishness instilled into society that the evil bitch plied us with. Remember how she also sold off the gas, BT, water boards and the electricity generators so the consumer got a better deal? They are ALL foreign owned now and we are paying through the nose.......wake up mate.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Most of my family, most of the lads I went to school with - their dad's were pitmen. Thorsby is still working, but is earmarked for closure. "

July closure x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are you for real? Maggie closed all the pits in the 80's......its well documented that she was drawing up the plans for the miners strike years before it happened. ...sorry but I have to say this....you need to go to the toilet...look in the mirror and have a word with youself! This country has never recovered from the selfishness instilled into society that the evil bitch plied us with. Remember how she also sold off the gas, BT, water boards and the electricity generators so the consumer got a better deal? They are ALL foreign owned now and we are paying through the nose.......wake up mate."

The fact remains that more pits were closed under a labour government than a conservative one.

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By *lshere77Man
over a year ago

Wigan

The difference is....the tories shut the industry down! Pits always closed....but because they were mined out of coal not to smash a union. Pity you dont live in Goldthorpe or Thurnscoe so you could see the legacy of closing the pits, maybe you would have a different opinion if you did.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Plenty of my older family members worked in mines. Some also died there in industrial accidents or suffered some pretty horrible work related diseases afterwards....it wasn't all good.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The difference is....the tories shut the industry down! Pits always closed....but because they were mined out of coal not to smash a union. Pity you dont live in Goldthorpe or Thurnscoe so you could see the legacy of closing the pits, maybe you would have a different opinion if you did."

I haven't given you an opinion, only facts.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Plenty of my older family members worked in mines. Some also died there in industrial accidents or suffered some pretty horrible work related diseases afterwards....it wasn't all good."

Not at all, I have lost work mates to accidents. But the mining community pulled together made sure they could do as much as possible for their families.

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By *arnayguyMan
over a year ago

Durham Tees

My opinion is it was sad and I come from a mining family who lost too many in pit disasters. But I wasn't expressing my opinion. I was expressing facts and the fact is the most mines were closed by Labour. But there is a blind, total refusal to accept or voice this by many who are far happier heaping all their bile and hatred on Maggie. By all means have your hatred but before you voice it yet again, I dare you all to start with 'Labour closed the most mines'. Admit it, accept it, be willing to declare it and never forget it.

Say it out loud 'Labour closed the most mines! Tony Benn closed the most mines. Socialists closed the most mines!'

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By *lshere77Man
over a year ago

Wigan

You didn't read my response obviously. ....there's a massive difference between why Labour and that evil bitch closed pits, I never disputed Labour closed pits

obviously a middle class tory nob sack comfortable in life who couldn't give a flying fuck about others so long as 'I'm alright Jack'

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"You didn't read my response obviously. ....there's a massive difference between why Labour and that evil bitch closed pits, I never disputed Labour closed pits

obviously a middle class tory nob sack comfortable in life who couldn't give a flying fuck about others so long as 'I'm alright Jack'"

Labour don't give a flying fuck either, they have not represented the working class for a long time now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You didn't read my response obviously. ....there's a massive difference between why Labour and that evil bitch closed pits, I never disputed Labour closed pits

obviously a middle class tory nob sack comfortable in life who couldn't give a flying fuck about others so long as 'I'm alright Jack'"

Sweeping judgement, much? I'd rather be a middle class Tory nob sack than be that closed-minded, judgemental and aggressive when presented with a fact.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *arnayguyMan
over a year ago

Durham Tees

I read your responses and replied with facts. You know zero about me or my circumstances so save your insults and inacurate assumptions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no but i think my grandma worked in a cotton mill -

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A shameful period in our history when Thatcher used the police as a private army against its own people as for the scabs that went to work while others stayed the course they should be ashamed of themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You didn't read my response obviously. ....there's a massive difference between why Labour and that evil bitch closed pits, I never disputed Labour closed pits

obviously a middle class tory nob sack comfortable in life who couldn't give a flying fuck about others so long as 'I'm alright Jack'"

Blimey

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A shameful period in our history when Thatcher used the police as a private army against its own people as for the scabs that went to work while others stayed the course they should be ashamed of themselves."

I was bullied at school cause my dad was a scab

Not everyone could afford to stay off work

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

More pits closed under the Labour government of Harold Wilson (290) than under the Conservitive government of Margaret Thatcher (160)

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

I haven't given you an opinion, only facts. "

Here is another fact.

Under the labour governments pit closures, which predominately was due to be mined out and over a long period of time, 40% of miners lost their jobs.

Under thatcher, in a callous and premeditated attack on the industry, 80% of miners lost their jobs in next to no time. The communities were left without support and destroyed.

It does not matter how people try to rewrite history, thatcher (along with a lot of turkey's voting for Christmas!) achieved what she set out to do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I haven't given you an opinion, only facts.

Here is another fact.

Under the labour governments pit closures, which predominately was due to be mined out and over a long period of time, 40% of miners lost their jobs.

Under thatcher, in a callous and premeditated attack on the industry, 80% of miners lost their jobs in next to no time. The communities were left without support and destroyed.

It does not matter how people try to rewrite history, thatcher (along with a lot of turkey's voting for Christmas!) achieved what she set out to do.

Do you claim that Harold Wilson was accepting economic realities while Margaret Thatcher was motivated by sheer spite?

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By *lshere77Man
over a year ago

Wigan

How many of you spent 12 months on strike then lost thier jobs after Maggie lied saying they didn't have a pit closure programme? Easy to have an opinion when it doesn't affect you.

And while we are at it, Eurostar dividend to the country is currently £54 million per year......being sold off.......we own that....do we get a share? No. I wonder who is on the board of directors of the other share holders.......look it up.....you may be suprised.....two ex tory government ministers.

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By *lshere77Man
over a year ago

Wigan

Yep. She swore to get the miners for the strikes that damaged Ted Heath

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many of you spent 12 months on strike then lost thier jobs "

Unless you've lied about your age not you.

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

I haven't given you an opinion, only facts.

Here is another fact.

Under the labour governments pit closures, which predominately was due to be mined out and over a long period of time, 40% of miners lost their jobs.

Under thatcher, in a callous and premeditated attack on the industry, 80% of miners lost their jobs in next to no time. The communities were left without support and destroyed.

It does not matter how people try to rewrite history, thatcher (along with a lot of turkey's voting for Christmas!) achieved what she set out to do.

Do you claim that Harold Wilson was accepting economic realities while Margaret Thatcher was motivated by sheer spite?

Yes. She engineered the whole episode.clever but evil woman.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is an emotive subject. I helped raise money for a Welsh mining community during the strike. The whole village came to visit us for an evening and their choir was beautiful. But if I owned a failing business, would you subsidise me?

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By *igandanneCouple
over a year ago

Cheltenham

Shame we havent got maggie now and god help us it millibean gets to be PM

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Don't talk stupid the country is the disgrace it is now because of that batch! Good riddance

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

"It is an emotive subject. I helped raise money for a Welsh mining community during the strike. The whole village came to visit us for an evening and their choir was beautiful. But if I owned a failing business, would you subsidise me?"

Like failing banks for example?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like failing banks for example?"

If they hadn't been rescued the entire country would have been fucked. Unless of course you only barter for goods.

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

Like failing banks for example?

If they hadn't been rescued the entire country would have been fucked. Unless of course you only barter for goods."

There is more than one way to crack an egg. We only chose one way though.

The banks are a side issue and I won't be running down that cul de sac, it was just to highlight a point.

Some people could argue that the country's energy policies have been fucked since that point and many large communities were fucked after that point. A lot still are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like failing banks for example?"

That might fall under the compelling reasons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It was an awful time indeed, I moved away after they shut all the pits in my area, when I see the town now its depressing, it still hasnt recovered....Maggie had alot to answer for

And the EU for meeting its green/low carbon emission targets, meanwhile China is building upto 2 new coal-fired power stations per week (what is the EU going to do about that?)

And yes i had many relatives who worked down the pits/mines but they all lost their jobs. "
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I'm sympathieser, but please don't get hung up on the Chinese building coal power stations, they actually also spend 60 billion a year on green initiatives and energy... That's twice as much as America! And remember most of China is third world.

The coal mines would have gone eventually, but I disagreed whole heatedly about how they went about it.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

A few yrs ago I got a weekends work filming for Ch4's documentary about the Battle of Orgreave.

I spent the weekend in the company of several ex-miners who had been there on the day. I was humbled by their stories of the strike & struck by both the sense of defiance & pride the local community had, & by the enduring hatred of the police.

When we wrapped up the shooting we marched behind a brass band & the Union banners, & it was inspiring how the local community all came out onto the road to applaud as the banners passed by.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My dad's side of the family are Welsh and come from a small mining village. My grandad worked down the mines and said it was hell. He would not wish that work on any of his family. He had bronchial problems all his life due to his time down the pit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many of you had family working at a coal mine?

I work at one of the last 3 coal mines in England which will all be closed by the end of the year!!

Can't believe the government has killed off 1 of the national heritages

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Notts miners helped kill it when breaking the picket lines in the great miners strike......up here your all seen as scabs and no one up here cares that your out of a job

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"A few yrs ago I got a weekends work filming for Ch4's documentary about the Battle of Orgreave.

When we wrapped up the shooting we marched behind a brass band & the Union banners, & it was inspiring how the local community all came out onto the road to applaud as the banners passed by.

all miners are still the same. I wasn't born when the strike happened but I still feel proud that my friends and colleagues stuck together

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"My dad's side of the family are Welsh and come from a small mining village. My grandad worked down the mines and said it was hell. He would not wish that work on any of his family. He had bronchial problems all his life due to his time down the pit. "

I went to the National Mining Museum nr Barnsley a while back. The chap showing us round took us into the display showing the more modern machinery, he told us that the bloke operating one such bit of kit could earn £1000 per week with 12hr shifts & bonuses - but pointed out that "no one wants to be the richest corpse in the churchyard".

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"A few yrs ago I got a weekends work filming for Ch4's documentary about the Battle of Orgreave.

When we wrapped up the shooting we marched behind a brass band & the Union banners, & it was inspiring how the local community all came out onto the road to applaud as the banners passed by.

all miners are still the same. I wasn't born when the strike happened but I still feel proud that my friends and colleagues stuck together "

I was only 17 that year but I do remember watching it all unfold on the telly.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

People I work with are on double that a week. Probably the fall of the pit unfortunately x

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

People I work with are on double that a week. Probably the fall of the pit unfortunately x"

£1000 per week in the late 90's would have been an impressive pay packet back then though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People I work with are on double that a week. Probably the fall of the pit unfortunately x

£1000 per week in the late 90's would have been an impressive pay packet back then though."

Its not too shabby now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Arthur scargill and his cronies with there refusal to compromise or adopt new working weeks and productivity closed the mines

No one else

And yes i am old enough to remember

Do not blame maggie

The NUM with their demands took the piss

Maggie just said fuck off we will see who wins

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

"Arthur scargill and his cronies with there refusal to compromise or adopt new working weeks and productivity closed the mines

No one else

And yes i am old enough to remember

Do not blame maggie

The NUM with their demands took the piss

Maggie just said fuck off we will see who wins

I'm sorry but you are misinformed.

There were no NUM demands apart from no programme of mass pit closures. It was obvious what the plan was as soon as ian mcgregor was made chairman of the NCB.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

The miners strike was a long time ago,and you youngsters have better lives because of it.It would have happened Maggie or no Maggie it was economics and people like Scargill who got rich out of miners suffering helped it happen.

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

But it wasn`t just the miners with Maggie. Anyone remember her publically humiliating her "trusted man" Nicholas Ridley getting a public bollocking from her when steps he introduced to make councils send their services out to private tender got circumnavigated by council officials who were clearly more clever than Ridley?

Sorry, but Maggie was anti all public and government owned services full stop!

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

"The miners strike was a long time ago,and you youngsters have better lives because of it.It would have happened Maggie or no Maggie it was economics and people like Scargill who got rich out of miners suffering helped it happen."

Which youngsters?

And do the better lives apply to the residents of places like Warsop Vale and masses of other pit villages that have still not recovered?

How did it improve my life?

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over a year ago

Which youngsters?

And do the better lives apply to the residents of places like Warsop Vale and masses of other pit villages that have still not recovered?

How did it improve my life?"

Man that place was a shit hole

Sorry couldn't resist

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over a year ago

"How many of you had family working at a coal mine?

I work at one of the last 3 coal mines in England which will all be closed by the end of the year!!

Can't believe the government has killed off 1 of the national heritages

It strange as we get it now from over seas so there is a market .

Don't get me wrong as I supported the miners' strike but if it is more economical to import coal than to produce it ...Well they should have looked at ways to make it more economical .

what a short-sighted comment - when the mines were operational they created a whole economy of their own i.e. the wages paid supported local businesses etc etc - you don't just look at the mines themselves. The workers paid income tax etc - now unemployment benefit will be paid instead for generations to come. Technology has improved no end so coal could be viable now - in fact one survey said we could be self-sufficient on energy from clean, coal-fired power stations for at least 100 years from the coal beneath our islands - only Thatcher ensured that they are all flooded now so we will never benefit. Utterly hate the Tories and always will.

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

Which youngsters?

And do the better lives apply to the residents of places like Warsop Vale and masses of other pit villages that have still not recovered?

How did it improve my life?

Man that place was a shit hole

Sorry couldn't resist

It was, did you see what it became?

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

"How many of you had family working at a coal mine?

I work at one of the last 3 coal mines in England which will all be closed by the end of the year!!

Can't believe the government has killed off 1 of the national heritages

It strange as we get it now from over seas so there is a market .

Don't get me wrong as I supported the miners' strike but if it is more economical to import coal than to produce it ...Well they should have looked at ways to make it more economical .

There was the famous statistic used at the time which was....if the coal industry had the same subsidies at that time as the nuclear power stations, the NCB could fire all Britians power stations, heat all the homes and give everyone £500 a year for taking it off them.

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By *ntimatediscretionMan
over a year ago

eaglescliffe

"How many of you had family working at a coal mine?

I work at one of the last 3 coal mines in England which will all be closed by the end of the year!!

Can't believe the government has killed off 1 of the national heritages

It strange as we get it now from over seas so there is a market .

Don't get me wrong as I supported the miners' strike but if it is more economical to import coal than to produce it ...Well they should have looked at ways to make it more economical .

excuse my ignorance of the whole national economy debate , but maybe a different view point would be....

was it not the fact that the entire country depended on the coal industry productivity, mines would work to rule to prevent stock piles of coal, and the unions held the country to ransom? how many black outs and strikes were there... the miners themselves were there throughout the 70's?

hard working miners and genuine communities depended on the pits and the entire local economy , shops and regions.... but was it not the union heads who led the lives of footballers on stupid salaries and jetting around the world who ruined it???

nowadays it is more cost effective to ship in from china .... and the trade exchange allows the export of other goods??

similar to the ship yards and oil module yards,,,, unfortunately the cheap labour from overseas kills off traditional industry....

Incidentally, I am not conservative... just a different point of view?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

Which youngsters?

And do the better lives apply to the residents of places like Warsop Vale and masses of other pit villages that have still not recovered?

How did it improve my life?"
Your a youngster no offence meant

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

yep a different point of view - and come the day when we don't actually produce ANYTHING of our own - we are fucked - that's the trouble with capitalism and the 'cheapest option' all the time - cheapest is not necessarily the best - some of us have a longer term view for the good of the nation e.g. I always buy stuff 'made in Britain' when I can - even if it costs more.

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over a year ago

Which youngsters?

And do the better lives apply to the residents of places like Warsop Vale and masses of other pit villages that have still not recovered?

How did it improve my life?

Man that place was a shit hole

Sorry couldn't resist

It was, did you see what it became?"

Yes I lived in church warsop I remember when the pit shut and all the private land lords bough the houses, it was a grim place

I haven't been home in a while I believe all the houseshave gone and its been re built on now??

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over a year ago

Terraced houses *

Third time lucky

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

Which youngsters?

And do the better lives apply to the residents of places like Warsop Vale and masses of other pit villages that have still not recovered?

How did it improve my life?Your a youngster no offence meant"

I'm 49 but thanks anyway. What age does a person need to be to hold an opinion?

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over a year ago

"How many of you had family working at a coal mine?

I work at one of the last 3 coal mines in England which will all be closed by the end of the year!!

Can't believe the government has killed off 1 of the national heritages

It strange as we get it now from over seas so there is a market .

Don't get me wrong as I supported the miners' strike but if it is more economical to import coal than to produce it ...Well they should have looked at ways to make it more economical .

excuse my ignorance of the whole national economy debate , but maybe a different view point would be....

nowadays it is more cost effective to ship in from china .... and the trade exchange allows the export of other goods??

similar to the ship yards and oil module yards,,,, unfortunately the cheap labour from overseas kills off traditional industry....

Incidentally, I am not conservative... just a different point of view?"
.China only has about 10% of the world coal reserves they struggle to meet there own demands, let alone others.

It was Germany and the USA that undercut us at the time. The USA has always subsided there coal industry and still do, the Germans were just more efficient.

Energy production comes under the heading of critical unperturbed

Importance, which means nearly every country subsidies there natural fields.

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By *ntimatediscretionMan
over a year ago

eaglescliffe

"yep a different point of view - and come the day when we don't actually produce ANYTHING of our own - we are fucked - that's the trouble with capitalism and the 'cheapest option' all the time - cheapest is not necessarily the best - some of us have a longer term view for the good of the nation e.g. I always buy stuff 'made in Britain' when I can - even if it costs more."

I agree entirely,,, you have to support your economy,,,, and I for one do buy british products too.... I sympathise entirely with the miners... a fair wage for a fair days work all day long...

but when the entire countries economy...productivity and livelihood depended on power that couldn't be guaranteed because the unions adopted a work to rule and were entirely political focused rather that workers rights... what choice did the government have than to look elsewhere to sustain other productivity?

please discuss....

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

Like failing banks for example?"

Now lets see, whose watch was the financial crisis spawned on? Hmmmm Who was in power in 2008? Who raided my and many others pensions with a retrospective tax? Who sold of gold reserves for next to nothing? Who bribed the electorate before each election with promises of more and more money if they won? And who never reversed the policies that they despised so much, once they came to power?

Answers on a postcard please...

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over a year ago

I agree entirely,,, you have to support your economy,,,, and I for one do buy british products too.... I sympathise entirely with the miners... a fair wage for a fair days work all day long...

please discuss....

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

I agree entirely,,, you have to support your economy,,,, and I for one do buy british products too.... I sympathise entirely with the miners... a fair wage for a fair days work all day long...

please discuss....

The reason the country went a year with no power shortages and next to no coal production was because of the huge stockpiles produced by the miners! One of scargills tactical cock ups!

What guarantees do we have now from Russia about gas supplies? What control do we have over production in Poland or the USA?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

I agree entirely,,, you have to support your economy,,,, and I for one do buy british products too.... I sympathise entirely with the miners... a fair wage for a fair days work all day long...

please discuss....

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Scargill had no interest in the miners only his own gains and political ideals.I believe he wanted Thatcher to take the action she did believing he could take over the country,he failed but became a very whealthy man who lived in the lap of luxery,did not give a damn about the miners,they where lambs to the slaughter

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

Like failing banks for example?

Answers on a postcard please..."

What has that got to with the miners strike?

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over a year ago

I agree entirely,,, you have to support your economy,,,, and I for one do buy british products too.... I sympathise entirely with the miners... a fair wage for a fair days work all day long...

please discuss....

and despite your claim to the contrary - you don't half sound like a Tory

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

And when you want some consumer goods, you go out and don't care about the price because you just want to give someone a good living? Bolox!

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over a year ago

And when you want some consumer goods, you go out and don't care about the price because you just want to give someone a good living? Bolox!"

Bollox to you too - yes I have often paid more for 'British made' - I'm not a selfish, money oriented individual like a lot are

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

Like failing banks for example?

Answers on a postcard please...

What has that got to with the miners strike?"

Errr... If you read the quote, I was answering a question! Any objections? Or is it just that you don't like Labour to be exposed?

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

Bollox to you too - yes I have often paid more for 'British made' - I'm not a selfish, money oriented individual like a lot are"

Then you are either better off than most or as depicted by your politics a bit daft!

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over a year ago

Opting out of this one now because I simply cannot stand selfish, greedy, money-grabbing tories - and they are starting to pop up with their arrogance and smugness as ever - bye for now

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over a year ago

Bollox to you too - yes I have often paid more for 'British made' - I'm not a selfish, money oriented individual like a lot are

Then you are either better off than most or as depicted by your politics a bit daft!"

and one last thing - I am definitely not daft - I`ve probably forgotten more than you will ever learn - and one thing I have learned is that there is a lot more to life than money - try it one day - you may be pleasantly surprised

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over a year ago

I agree entirely,,, you have to support your economy,,,, and I for one do buy british products too.... I sympathise entirely with the miners... a fair wage for a fair days work all day long...

please discuss....

Couldn't have said it better myself.

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over a year ago

Like failing banks for example?

Answers on a postcard please..."
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Your just showing how ignorant you are and how easily bullshitted you can be.

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By *ntimatediscretionMan
over a year ago

eaglescliffe

I agree entirely,,, you have to support your economy,,,, and I for one do buy british products too.... I sympathise entirely with the miners... a fair wage for a fair days work all day long...

please discuss....

and despite your claim to the contrary - you don't half sound like a Tory

getting very personal now....

served my time as a welder, was in the boilermakers union and then chose to go back to tech college and did HNC and HND in process engineering, whilst working ... all under free education.... always looked at what party served best for me and my family... labour introduced university fees, I now pay a fortune in fees for my kids....Tuition fees were first introduced across the entire United Kingdom in September 1998 under the Labour Government...

always voted labour, however I have my own mind and my own opinion....

I wouldn't class myself as one of those sheep who follow union leaders shouting freedom for tooting and haven't got the sense to see that times and economies change,,, and wouldn't come on here expressing an opinion about other people, their politics or believes, sexual orientation or colour of their front room carpet,,, its a discussion........ you sound like a bigot lol

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over a year ago

I agree entirely,,, you have to support your economy,,,, and I for one do buy british products too.... I sympathise entirely with the miners... a fair wage for a fair days work all day long...

please discuss....

and despite your claim to the contrary - you don't half sound like a Tory

getting very personal now....

always voted labour, however I have my own mind and my own opinion....

nah - just hate it when people can be so flippant and dismissive about something that affected the livelihoods of tens of thousands of working class men - you should hang your head in shame with your background

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over a year ago

I agree entirely,,, you have to support your economy,,,, and I for one do buy british products too.... I sympathise entirely with the miners... a fair wage for a fair days work all day long...

please discuss....

and despite your claim to the contrary - you don't half sound like a Tory

getting very personal now....

always voted labour, however I have my own mind and my own opinion....

What do you want somebody to say...

Times change you said it yourself, as long as you feel you did the right thing, who is anyone else to tell you different.

Looking back and examining history, it's easy to find fault with one side or another depending on your beliefs.

There very rarely true though!

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By *ntimatediscretionMan
over a year ago

eaglescliffe

I agree entirely,,, you have to support your economy,,,, and I for one do buy british products too.... I sympathise entirely with the miners... a fair wage for a fair days work all day long...

please discuss....

and despite your claim to the contrary - you don't half sound like a Tory

getting very personal now....

always voted labour, however I have my own mind and my own opinion....

what a load of shite.... read it all back... I sympathise with workers and believe in workers rights entirely.... I pay my taxes and expect that some industries have to be subsidised to benefit the society in general...

I don't however think that the world owes me a living....

and do think it was the unions who fucked up this country by not representing workers rights, but were too involved with politics and feathering their own nests....my opinion and am entitled to it... as are you to yours...

google bigot... it seems quite fitting.... and if the cap fits.... I wouldn't give an opinion on another person nor recommend them to hang their head, incidentally... im loving life..

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over a year ago

I agree entirely,,, you have to support your economy,,,, and I for one do buy british products too.... I sympathise entirely with the miners... a fair wage for a fair days work all day long...

please discuss....

and despite your claim to the contrary - you don't half sound like a Tory

getting very personal now....

always voted labour, however I have my own mind and my own opinion....

I don't however think that the world owes me a living....

google bigot... it seems quite fitting.... and if the cap fits.... I wouldn't give an opinion on another person nor recommend them to hang their head, incidentally... im loving life.."

ok - so you change your politics to suit your own personal circs at the time - wow - I`d love you as my Union rep or MP - not lol !

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By *r and mrs sanddancerCouple
over a year ago

BOLDON COLLIERY

Harold Wilson closed more mines than Thatcher. "

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over a year ago

Harold Wilson closed more mines than Thatcher.

wrong I`m afraid - the mines closed under Wilson had mostly run out of coal! Thatcher closed pits with years of coal left - over 150 of them - please get your facts right

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By *ntimatediscretionMan
over a year ago

eaglescliffe

why don't you be the union rep yourself or m.p.... or a sheep ... baahhh bahhh

freedom for tooting and all that... come the glorious day citizen...blah blah blah...lol

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over a year ago

Harold Wilson closed more mines than Thatcher.

wrong I`m afraid - the mines closed under Wilson had mostly run out of coal! Thatcher closed pits with years of coal left - over 150 of them - please get your facts right

The facts are plain and simple and there for everyone to examine. Wilson closed more mines than Thatcher.

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over a year ago

ok - so you change your politics to suit your own personal circs at the time - wow - I`d love you as my Union rep or MP - not lol !"

I believe that's called democracy.

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over a year ago

I'm from a family that came from a mining background, on my mum's side, and there's no denying that many areas were left devastated by pit closures. That was, in the main, 30 years ago. Most of the family have stopped banging on about Thatcher and acting like victims, and through education (because everyone gets to go to school, so starts out with the same opportunity) got themselves qualified to do other things and other trades. Being bitter and hate fuelled forever more doesn't help anyone.

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By *thyorksCouple
over a year ago

ROTHERHAM

I was 20 when the strike started & stayed out the full 52 weeks.

I was at Orgreve & many other places picketing.

I know why I came out on strike & have never regretted doing so..

We had the Met police (white shirts) we called them, came on the scene that's when it all turned bad.

They used to wave money & pay slips when on the picket line, shouting to us stay out as long as we can as they are on overtime..

Saw some bad things happen on the line..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I was 20 when the strike started & stayed out the full 52 weeks.

I was at Orgreve & many other places picketing.

I know why I came out on strike & have never regretted doing so..

We had the Met police (white shirts) we called them, came on the scene that's when it all turned bad.

They used to wave money & pay slips when on the picket line, shouting to us stay out as long as we can as they are on overtime..

Saw some bad things happen on the line..

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Harold Wilson closed more mines than Thatcher. "

Not a lot of people (want to) know that.

I wonder who closed all the pits in Germany at around the same time.

Our area had as many, if not more, mines than Yorkshire now all closed. Did Mrs T close those as well?

Our small town had 3 mines including the deepest in Europe, all closed by the Tory's no doubt.

The mining industry needed modernisation and reorganisation in the 80's and yes some pits had to close, but if it wasn't for Scargill's "not one pit" intransigence a damn site more of it could have been saved.

Another little fact that many don't (want to) know is that McGregor agreed with over 90% of Scargill's demands, but spurred on by Hoeniker and his other mates in the old East Germany Scargill wouldn't budge an inch.

But lets not let history get in the way of a good old anti Tory rant Eh

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over a year ago

The writing was on the wall for British mining following the 1972 strike for better wages and conditions.

Mining, steel making, car making, the railways in fact most of our industry was killed by greedy cost cutting management and inept unions frightened of modernisation or locked in pointless power battles with management and calling strikes over anything to show that they had the power.

Look at Germany where workers and management work together; safety is paramount, working conditions are good and communities based around industrial hot spots are strong

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over a year ago

It never ceases to amaze me that there is so much bile against Thatcher, and so little against Scargill.

For such a commie/socialist, he carried on ripping off the NUM till recently by having a union pay his £34k pa rent. Also tried to buy his house under the Right To Buy scheme.

If you can find it, download Andrew Marr's History of Modern Britain. He presents what was happening with union strangulation of the UK very well.

Its a shame that these greedy, deluded bastards ruined it for future generations in all types of industries.

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By *errynjuneCouple
over a year ago

Barnsley

Harold Wilson closed more mines than Thatcher.

wrong I`m afraid - the mines closed under Wilson had mostly run out of coal! Thatcher closed pits with years of coal left - over 150 of them - please get your facts right

The facts are plain and simple and there for everyone to examine. Wilson closed more mines than Thatcher. "

Stayed out of this one, been there done that and got the T shirt Tec. But please stop being a one trick pony, we all agree Harold Wilson closed the most mines. So you can now stop posting this fact. Google something else and post another amazing fact.

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over a year ago

"It never ceases to amaze me that there is so much bile against Thatcher, and so little against Scargill.

For such a commie/socialist, he carried on ripping off the NUM till recently by having a union pay his £34k pa rent. Also tried to buy his house under the Right To Buy scheme.

If you can find it, download Andrew Marr's History of Modern Britain. He presents what was happening with union strangulation of the UK very well.

Its a shame that these greedy, deluded bastards ruined it for future generations in all types of industries. "

It's because they were both raving fanatics who caused a mass of damage, but Thatcher won.

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over a year ago

"It never ceases to amaze me that there is so much bile against Thatcher, and so little against Scargill.

For such a commie/socialist, he carried on ripping off the NUM till recently by having a union pay his £34k pa rent. Also tried to buy his house under the Right To Buy scheme.

If you can find it, download Andrew Marr's History of Modern Britain. He presents what was happening with union strangulation of the UK very well.

Its a shame that these greedy, deluded bastards ruined it for future generations in all types of industries. "
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Could it be that people recognise genuineness? They love people who are genuine in it for the right reasons even when there wrong.

Whereas most people saw Thatcher for what she was, a self serving grab what you can evil bitch with not a shred of sincerity.... Even though she may have been right.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

Harold Wilson closed more mines than Thatcher.

wrong I`m afraid - the mines closed under Wilson had mostly run out of coal! Thatcher closed pits with years of coal left - over 150 of them - please get your facts right

The facts are plain and simple and there for everyone to examine. Wilson closed more mines than Thatcher.

Did you know Harold Wilson closed more mines than Margaret Thatcher.

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over a year ago

Thatcher won - that says it all really, - the ego came before the duty.

The greed that ruined British industry can hardly be blamed solely on the unions, - the lack of investment in renewing industry infrastructure was the most damaging imo.

There were too many hooray Henry's taking all of the cream whilst patting each other on the back & telling how great we are............. & then the world caught up & left us for dead!!

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over a year ago

"It never ceases to amaze me that there is so much bile against Thatcher, and so little against Scargill.

For such a commie/socialist, he carried on ripping off the NUM till recently by having a union pay his £34k pa rent. Also tried to buy his house under the Right To Buy scheme.

If you can find it, download Andrew Marr's History of Modern Britain. He presents what was happening with union strangulation of the UK very well.

Its a shame that these greedy, deluded bastards ruined it for future generations in all types of industries. .

Could it be that people recognise genuineness? They love people who are genuine in it for the right reasons even when there wrong.

Whereas most people saw Thatcher for what she was, a self serving grab what you can evil bitch with not a shred of sincerity.... Even though she may have been right."

I totally disagree with this - even if your political view is the polar opposite to Thatcher's, surely you can see she had a very clear and sincere belief in the way she thought the country should be and she made it happen. She was far more wedded to her personal political beliefs than she probably should have been.

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over a year ago

"Thatcher won - that says it all really, - the ego came before the duty.

The greed that ruined British industry can hardly be blamed solely on the unions, - the lack of investment in renewing industry infrastructure was the most damaging imo.

There were too many hooray Henry's taking all of the cream whilst patting each other on the back & telling how great we are............. & then the world caught up & left us for dead!!"

To be fair, I dont think anyone won. The unions needed to be crushed, but there was too much collateral damage.

As someone else posted earlier, its a shame we never followed the German model.

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over a year ago

"Thatcher won - that says it all really, - the ego came before the duty.

The greed that ruined British industry can hardly be blamed solely on the unions, - the lack of investment in renewing industry infrastructure was the most damaging imo.

There were too many hooray Henry's taking all of the cream whilst patting each other on the back & telling how great we are............. & then the world caught up & left us for dead!!

To be fair, I dont think anyone won. The unions needed to be crushed, but there was too much collateral damage.

As someone else posted earlier, its a shame we never followed the German model."

Our industry was becoming antiquated - & that was long before the miners strikes, - you name the industry, we were lagging behind in it.

For example: Compare a 70's British family car to it's Japanese equivalent!

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over a year ago

"It never ceases to amaze me that there is so much bile against Thatcher, and so little against Scargill.

For such a commie/socialist, he carried on ripping off the NUM till recently by having a union pay his £34k pa rent. Also tried to buy his house under the Right To Buy scheme.

If you can find it, download Andrew Marr's History of Modern Britain. He presents what was happening with union strangulation of the UK very well.

Its a shame that these greedy, deluded bastards ruined it for future generations in all types of industries. .

Could it be that people recognise genuineness? They love people who are genuine in it for the right reasons even when there wrong.

Whereas most people saw Thatcher for what she was, a self serving grab what you can evil bitch with not a shred of sincerity.... Even though she may have been right.

Being wedded to ones political beliefs and being sincere in doing what's right for the majority are two different things unless your political beliefs were like Thatcher's-- individualistic!.

She was and remains the most despised prime minster in modern history and although Blair is up there, he is seen as Thatchers legacy, I think the passing of time will see her remain that way!.

You obviously are among the other side of her supporters which herald her as the second coming and her God like status, if nothing else she certainly polarised society in her support and in general.