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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Got to say this and I know I m gonna get some stick but hey ho its life lol i and my hubby hold old fashioned values of hard work and pay your way so why when the immigrants of this country work hard is the forthcoming election seemingly becoming a debate on limiting immigration .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Labour clutching at straw's maybe. They seem to change their policies week upon week.

The Torys always seem to bang on about immigration but labour now see it as a potential vote winner and are jumping on the immigration bandwagon. Which is a complete U turn to their policies when they were last in power.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To win votes by pampering to the freeloaders who don't! Do a hard days work and expect a living from our great country!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"To win votes by pampering to the freeloaders who don't! Do a hard days work and expect a living from our great country! "

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Labour clutching at straw's maybe. They seem to change their policies week upon week.

The Torys always seem to bang on about immigration but labour now see it as a potential vote winner and are jumping on the immigration bandwagon. Which is a complete U turn to their policies when they were last in power. "

It really seems like they and that vile man garage seem to be positioning themselves for a debate on immigration when there are so many more important issues ie the economy the countries infrastructure and the Nhs

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Sorry farage lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Got to say this and I know I m gonna get some stick but hey ho its life lol i and my hubby hold old fashioned values of hard work and pay your way so why when the immigrants of this country work hard is the forthcoming election seemingly becoming a debate on limiting immigration ."
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Your assuming they work hard and others don't!.

I believe that's as biased as somebody going "bloody illegal immigrants cumin here eating swans".

The trouble with the entire debate is on one side you obviously attract the racist element who latch on to any talk about foreigners and on the other side you attract the liberal fluffy kitten brigade or the everything's fine as long as your working type!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Got to say this and I know I m gonna get some stick but hey ho its life lol i and my hubby hold old fashioned values of hard work and pay your way so why when the immigrants of this country work hard is the forthcoming election seemingly becoming a debate on limiting immigration ."

I don't have that problem;

I live in Scotland, no point of a debate its going to be an off the Scale win for SNP

anyone care to bet the differ.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Labour clutching at straw's maybe. They seem to change their policies week upon week.

The Torys always seem to bang on about immigration but labour now see it as a potential vote winner and are jumping on the immigration bandwagon. Which is a complete U turn to their policies when they were last in power.

It really seems like they and that vile man garage seem to be positioning themselves for a debate on immigration when there are so many more important issues ie the economy the countries infrastructure and the Nhs "

Does ukip have any other policies other than immigration ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To win votes by pampering to the freeloaders who don't! Do a hard days work and expect a living from our great country! "

Postmen ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Got to say this and I know I m gonna get some stick but hey ho its life lol i and my hubby hold old fashioned values of hard work and pay your way so why when the immigrants of this country work hard is the forthcoming election seemingly becoming a debate on limiting immigration ..

Your assuming they work hard and others don't!.

I believe that's as biased as somebody going "bloody illegal immigrants cumin here eating swans".

The trouble with the entire debate is on one side you obviously attract the racist element who latch on to any talk about foreigners and on the other side you attract the liberal fluffy kitten brigade or the everything's fine as long as your working type!

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I can only speak from personal experience but by us the immigrants open shops hand car washes or work in the nhs or industry its daily lifE we re all human beings why promote division ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Got to say this and I know I m gonna get some stick but hey ho its life lol i and my hubby hold old fashioned values of hard work and pay your way so why when the immigrants of this country work hard is the forthcoming election seemingly becoming a debate on limiting immigration ..

Your assuming they work hard and others don't!.

I believe that's as biased as somebody going "bloody illegal immigrants cumin here eating swans".

The trouble with the entire debate is on one side you obviously attract the racist element who latch on to any talk about foreigners and on the other side you attract the liberal fluffy kitten brigade or the everything's fine as long as your working type!

I can only speak from personal experience but by us the immigrants open shops hand car washes or work in the nhs or industry its daily lifE we re all human beings why promote division ?"
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You promoted the division by saying one side works harder than the other.

I don't buy the argument about the NHS I find it rather insulting of a first works country who can't manage their own health care system, ie organising training, schooling your indigenous children to the skills you require and paying a wage for a job that you can live on!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Got to say this and I know I m gonna get some stick but hey ho its life lol i and my hubby hold old fashioned values of hard work and pay your way so why when the immigrants of this country work hard is the forthcoming election seemingly becoming a debate on limiting immigration ..

Your assuming they work hard and others don't!.

I believe that's as biased as somebody going "bloody illegal immigrants cumin here eating swans".

The trouble with the entire debate is on one side you obviously attract the racist element who latch on to any talk about foreigners and on the other side you attract the liberal fluffy kitten brigade or the everything's fine as long as your working type!

I can only speak from personal experience but by us the immigrants open shops hand car washes or work in the nhs or industry its daily lifE we re all human beings why promote division ?.

You promoted the division by saying one side works harder than the other.

I don't buy the argument about the NHS I find it rather insulting of a first works country who can't manage their own health care system, ie organising training, schooling your indigenous children to the skills you require and paying a wage for a job that you can live on!"

Not sure where I said that at all perhaps you can direct me to that ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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I can only speak from personal experience but by us the immigrants open shops hand car washes or work in the nhs or industry its daily lifE we re all human beings why promote division ?"

Unfortunately in our 'blame culture' some will always look for others to blame or a bogeyman to focus on. Immigrants and benefit claimants are just two minority groups that are seen as fair game because they're easy targets.

I've always held the opinion that if someone is motivated to get off their bum, uproot their family and travel around the world looking for the opportunity of a better life that it's highly likely they're ambitious with a work ethic.

I've seen little that has dispelled that belief.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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You promoted the division by saying one side works harder than the other.

I don't buy the argument about the NHS I find it rather insulting of a first works country who can't manage their own health care system, ie organising training, schooling your indigenous children to the skills you require and paying a wage for a job that you can live on!

Not sure where I said that at all perhaps you can direct me to that ?"

Sexy-bum - why do you feel the need to misquote people? You do it a lot.

You don't need to because you're more than capable of providing a valid argument without resorting to that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Got to say this and I know I m gonna get some stick but hey ho its life lol i and my hubby hold old fashioned values of hard work and pay your way so why when the immigrants of this country work hard is the forthcoming election seemingly becoming a debate on limiting immigration ..

Your assuming they work hard and others don't!.

I believe that's as biased as somebody going "bloody illegal immigrants cumin here eating swans".

The trouble with the entire debate is on one side you obviously attract the racist element who latch on to any talk about foreigners and on the other side you attract the liberal fluffy kitten brigade or the everything's fine as long as your working type!

I can only speak from personal experience but by us the immigrants open shops hand car washes or work in the nhs or industry its daily lifE we re all human beings why promote division ?.

You promoted the division by saying one side works harder than the other.

I don't buy the argument about the NHS I find it rather insulting of a first works country who can't manage their own health care system, ie organising training, schooling your indigenous children to the skills you require and paying a wage for a job that you can live on!

Not sure where I said that at all perhaps you can direct me to that ?"
.Not directly but it's the application of the words about" hard working immigrants".

And "old fashioned values". But as you say it's not that, and it's me who's misinterpreted it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Got to say this and I know I m gonna get some stick but hey ho its life lol i and my hubby hold old fashioned values of hard work and pay your way so why when the immigrants of this country work hard is the forthcoming election seemingly becoming a debate on limiting immigration ..

Your assuming they work hard and others don't!.

I believe that's as biased as somebody going "bloody illegal immigrants cumin here eating swans".

The trouble with the entire debate is on one side you obviously attract the racist element who latch on to any talk about foreigners and on the other side you attract the liberal fluffy kitten brigade or the everything's fine as long as your working type!

I can only speak from personal experience but by us the immigrants open shops hand car washes or work in the nhs or industry its daily lifE we re all human beings why promote division ?.

You promoted the division by saying one side works harder than the other.

I don't buy the argument about the NHS I find it rather insulting of a first works country who can't manage their own health care system, ie organising training, schooling your indigenous children to the skills you require and paying a wage for a job that you can live on!

Not sure where I said that at all perhaps you can direct me to that ?.Not directly but it's the application of the words about" hard working immigrants".

And "old fashioned values". But as you say it's not that, and it's me who's misinterpreted it. "

It's meant as the politicians are using the immigrants are a drain on us argument to distract from what I consider the real issues ie where does the nhs go from here and I don't subscribe to the throw more money at it ideology

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Immigration why do we need it

Exportation of goods!

To improve this you firstly need to reduce your labour costs! And then debase your currency!.

Unlimited immigration is great because you get the initial benefit of extra services from extra population, and you also get a depressing effect on labour costs keeping it lower than inflation.

You then print money like it's going out of fashion and reduce your interest rates to practically 0% debasing your currency which has a two fold effect of

1 ruining peoples savings and forcing them to spend it, which increases your initial goods/ services.

2 cheapens your currency making it easy to export and harder to import, also giving you more inflation which helps with the spend not save culture.

I would add that cutting your infrastructure budget by 45% at this time of increasing population would obviously be stupid but the Tories did it anyhow, as it made the deficit look better than it was.

Georgie boys original prognosis for getting out of the banking mess the politicians created was export export export.

Unfortunately it hasn't happened, personally I think this is because the only people available for us to export to is Europe and the US and there both up the creek without a paddle, a future that appears we'll be in ourselves very soon.

What we're seeing in recent years is the symptoms of an exponential based economic system that's reached its limits of growth and therefore you have to create growth through importing people into the system and delaying the inevitable for a few more years!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry to go off on a tangent but I think it would be very wise to read political parties policies before debating this.

Ukip in my personal opinion have only won seats and votes due to people becoming prejudice against immigrants.

Through my business and political experiences I have seen that the percentage of people and the work ethic of the general public has gone down hill greatly, too high a percentage of people do not want to work anymore a lot seemed forced to work then do a bog standard job which has a domino effect on businesses. In the long run this does effect the economy.

Anyhow back to my original from what I have seen a smaller percentage of immigrants are not working compared to born and bred local people, so therefore benefit our economy and therefore each of is better in day to day life.

As Ukip have found it is a lot easier to promote negative news than to promote and people to remember positive figures.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just speaking from personal experience every dentist near me has either an Asian sounding name or heavy Irish accent...isn't Poland a great exporter of dentists?, I don't know these foreigners coming over here taking our jobs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I found it quite strange on the how far do you live from where you were born thread.

Nobody had gone anywhere!, I think this is reflected in my own beliefs, that most people want to stay where they call home.

So if there is hundreds of thousands of foreign immigrants, they ain't coming here through choice but necessity.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Bloody foreigner.. coming over here.... wanting to know what love is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bloody foreigner.. coming over here.... wanting to know what love is "
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I might be wrong but I think foreigner were British

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I found it quite strange on the how far do you live from where you were born thread.

Nobody had gone anywhere!, I think this is reflected in my own beliefs, that most people want to stay where they call home.

So if there is hundreds of thousands of foreign immigrants, they ain't coming here through choice but necessity."

For most it's ambition not necessity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because they have nothing else to offer you. They focus on pointless shit because they are shit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I found it quite strange on the how far do you live from where you were born thread.

Nobody had gone anywhere!, I think this is reflected in my own beliefs, that most people want to stay where they call home.

So if there is hundreds of thousands of foreign immigrants, they ain't coming here through choice but necessity.

For most it's ambition not necessity. "
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Yeah well I suppose if your ambition is having a job then yes! But most immigrant labour is low paid unskilled, in fact there's a huge number who aren't even paid the minimum wage, and this goes on at anywhere from farms to London hotels.

The fact of the matter is if you installed the living wage instead of the minimum wage, you'd have less immigration but also a higher cost of living, less immigration may sit better with the working classes but a higher cost of living is unthinkable to the upper classes.

Immigration in history has always been a tool of the upper classes, no different than interest rates!.

If you think about it for three centuries they got rid off the undesirables through emigration, I've no doubt the native Indians and the Aboriginals moaned like fuck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pretty much all the soft fruit in Kent is picked by immigrant labour, if not it would rot on the plants.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Labour clutching at straw's maybe. They seem to change their policies week upon week.

The Torys always seem to bang on about immigration but labour now see it as a potential vote winner and are jumping on the immigration bandwagon. Which is a complete U turn to their policies when they were last in power.

It really seems like they and that vile man garage seem to be positioning themselves for a debate on immigration when there are so many more important issues ie the economy the countries infrastructure and the Nhs "

Immigration is a concern on all 3 of them points im afraid.

Labour and the Tories know but cant do jack shit about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Pretty much all the soft fruit in Kent is picked by immigrant labour, if not it would rot on the plants."

Just out of interest, how did it get picked before the cheap labour arrived?

Did it rot then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Pretty much all the soft fruit in Kent is picked by immigrant labour, if not it would rot on the plants."
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What about the walnuts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

immigrant and proud , became a Brit in 2015 , work hard , own home , never been on the dole - im the immigrant they don't tell you about , the ones that work and lead a quiet life ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"immigrant and proud , became a Brit in 2015 , work hard , own home , never been on the dole - im the immigrant they don't tell you about , the ones that work and lead a quiet life ..."
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I might be wrong but I think there's more than one of you!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"immigrant and proud , became a Brit in 2015 , work hard , own home , never been on the dole - im the immigrant they don't tell you about , the ones that work and lead a quiet life ..."
serious question, where did you emigrate from and what brought you to the UK

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


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I've always held the opinion that if someone is motivated to get off their bum, uproot their family and travel around the world looking for the opportunity of a better life that it's highly likely they're ambitious with a work ethic.

I've seen little that has dispelled that belief. "

and having worked abroad, I was always welcomed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Pretty much all the soft fruit in Kent is picked by immigrant labour, if not it would rot on the plants.

Just out of interest, how did it get picked before the cheap labour arrived?

Did it rot then?"

20yrs ago people like my nan & mum would have been breaking their backs picking it, two major changes since have been the rise of bullying supermarkets making more and more demands on the farms and a reluctance of young mums (as it has always been a predominantly female labour force) to work the fields. Nowadays to keep yields up rather than hands and knees picking in the rows they are strapped face down to a rig and towed through.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Pretty much all the soft fruit in Kent is picked by immigrant labour, if not it would rot on the plants..

What about the walnuts"

They are harvested mechanically.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Pretty much all the soft fruit in Kent is picked by immigrant labour, if not it would rot on the plants..

What about the walnuts

They are harvested mechanically."
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Thank fuck for that...a walnut whip without a walnut is just well... a whip.

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