FabSwingers.com forum: Need advice from a joiner

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Please inbox me

Annie

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

your inbox is blocked .... what you wanna know?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Shouldn't be . But anyways

I need a new front door , and don't know whether to get a reputable window fitting company out or a joiner from a local paper . Someone told me it was cheaper to go local ?

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I would go reputable

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple
over a year ago

near cardiff

I'd go local.vast majority of tradesmen take pride in their work and have far fewer overheads to factor into the price than any TV advertising company

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I thought if I asked a local person he would take more pride in his work as opposed to one of the big firms who may come along and charge me more and make a mess of it

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'd go local.vast majority of tradesmen take pride in their work and have far fewer overheads to factor into the price than any TV advertising company "

That's how I was thinking xx

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

ok .... when your fitting a new exterior door you have to comply with part m of the building regs. if you are fitting the door yourself or are getting a local joiner to do it then you will have to inform the building control department at your local council. they will come an inspect the job to make sure it complies with regs and sign the job off. they will charge you for this (cost differs between councils). if the joiner or company fitting the door is part of the FENSA accreditation scheme then you don't have to inform the BCO as the fitter is allowed to sign the job off. my advice is get quotes from several local independent firms who are FENSA registered then haggle with them for the cheapest price.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

just to add, if you use FENSA approved tradesmen then FENSA themselves offer an arbitration service incase the fitter does a shite job ..... and no i'm not part of the FENSA scheme in case you think i'm bias

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are you talking upvc or Wooden?

Frame as well?

Recommendation is Usually the best route.

Ask a friend or relative.

Problem with larger companies they will try and sell you the whole sheban, windows etc..

A decent wooden door is not going to be cheap, while the fitting is reasonably straight forward if frame is ok.

It's the staining of the door that adds time and effort.

Composite doors and frames are good.

Lot's of choices available.

Always ask to see references or work already done by whoever does it, no matter what the size of company.

Don't discount small independent guy's most survive Ppurely on reputation and can't afford to do a bad job.

Large companies tend to treat you like just another one.

They maybe slightly cheaper but the overall quality of work may be rubbish.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Oh my god ha ha ha I just want a bloody front door , how complicated is this now .

I didn't realise so much was involved

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ok .... when your fitting a new exterior door you have to comply with part m of the building regs. if you are fitting the door yourself or are getting a local joiner to do it then you will have to inform the building control department at your local council. they will come an inspect the job to make sure it complies with regs and sign the job off. they will charge you for this (cost differs between councils). if the joiner or company fitting the door is part of the FENSA accreditation scheme then you don't have to inform the BCO as the fitter is allowed to sign the job off. my advice is get quotes from several local independent firms who are FENSA registered then haggle with them for the cheapest price."

Sorry that is total rubbish.

I have been a carpenter 30 year's and building control never comes and inspects the job!

Maybe on a new build.

Part m regs are only applicable if you are letting the property out or its local authority and someone who may require low line threshold due to mobility issues.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh my god ha ha ha I just want a bloody front door , how complicated is this now .

I didn't realise so much was involved

Don't get concerne.

Shop around get a few quotes ask to see previous work.

Never pay cash upfront.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Thanks for all your advice guys , my head is now pickled .

Only kidding

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd go local.vast majority of tradesmen take pride in their work and have far fewer overheads to factor into the price than any TV advertising company

That's how I was thinking xx

Thanks"

go local as big companys sumtimes use a local sub contractor and its alway more expensive by the time they add there wack on!

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

Sorry that is total rubbish.

I have been a carpenter 30 year's and building control never comes and inspects the job!

Maybe on a new build.

Part m regs are only applicable if you are letting the property out or its local authority and someone who may require low line threshold due to mobility issues.

sorry typo .... meant part L .... anyway it's not total rubbish .... i've been in the trade the same amount of time. the reason why bco doesn't come and inspect your work is probably because you choose not to inform them ... naughty naughty

anyway this is a cut and paste from the government planning portal ...

"Building Regulations

Since 1 April 2002 building regulations have applied to all replacement glazing. The regulations apply to thermal performance and other areas such as safety, air supply, means of escape and ventilation.

An external window or door is a "controlled fitting" under the Building Regulations and as a result of this classification these Regulations set out certain standards to be met when such a window or door is replaced.

You could use an installer registered with the relevant competent person scheme. A registered installer will be approved to carry out the work to comply with building regulations without involving local authority building control. When work is complete you will receive a certificate showing the work was done by a registered installer. More information about Competent Person Schemes can be found on the Gov.uk website.

Alternatively, you could use an unregistered installer or DIY, in which case approval can be sought from the relevant Building Control Body – either at your Local Authority or an Approved Inspector. They will check the replacement window(s) or door(s) for compliance and, if satisfied, issue a certificate of compliance."

of course you can just fit a door and say nowt and nothing will come of it until you sell and the buyers mortgage provider ask some sticky questions or if you make some kind of insurance claim.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a builder I get alot of work from word of mouth. Maybe it's best to ask around like friends / family. There are some good quality tradesmen out there that are reasonable in price but don't advertise because they work weekends only. (Tax free)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Shouldn't be . But anyways

I need a new front door , and don't know whether to get a reputable window fitting company out or a joiner from a local paper . Someone told me it was cheaper to go local ?"

Are you certain that you need a new door ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Another bit of advice, if you can, pay at least some of it with a credit card. Even if it is only a tenner. It means the credit card company is liable for the full ammount should there be a problem with it, and they will act as mediator in the case of a dispute.

(think even if you pay £1 for it on the credit card, the company is liable for the full ammount)

Just gives peace of mind.

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"Another bit of advice, if you can, pay at least some of it with a credit card. Even if it is only a tenner. It means the credit card company is liable for the full ammount should there be a problem with it, and they will act as mediator in the case of a dispute.

(think even if you pay £1 for it on the credit card, the company is liable for the full ammount)

Just gives peace of mind."

Section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act.

You need to pay at least £100 via credit card and you're then covered up to £30k.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry that is total rubbish.

I have been a carpenter 30 year's and building control never comes and inspects the job!

Maybe on a new build.

Part m regs are only applicable if you are letting the property out or its local authority and someone who may require low line threshold due to mobility issues.

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