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"Did we do all this to Catholics during the IRA bombing campaign? Mind you, we never bombed Dublin either, so I've never understood why Israel always thinks that's an answer... Mr ddc" No your quite right we didn't do this to the ira that why they effectively bombed there way to the political negotiating table via there political wing sinn fein into the irish assemblies and on into westminister | |||
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"To be honest, I'm more concerned about Russia at the moment. No matter what we do there will always be religious conflicts of opinion. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think we should pressure other Muslim countries to sort it out between themselves and not get involved in religious fighting. bring our boys and girls home where they belong, and let them protect us and our multi culture society here instead of trying to do it hundreds of miles away." just a thought but do you ever think multi culturism could be partialy responsible for radicalisation ...the jihadist don't wanna negotiate they want to rule the world and enforce sharia law upon everybody. jihad after all does translate as ,,,holy war | |||
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yes yr quite right the democratic solution came after the ira had bombed there way to the political negotiating table ...btw ime of irish catholic descent meself ,,,me mothers side "How would you personally have felt if during the Irish troubles, given that you've done nothing wrong at all, your were stopped at the border and sent back? Or detained without charge or trial? By the way did you mean Ahmed, Ali or Amir instead of Tom dick or harry? | |||
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" just a thought but do you ever think multi culturism could be partialy responsible for radicalisation ...the jihadist don't wanna negotiate they want to rule the world and enforce sharia law upon everybody. jihad after all does translate as ,,,holy war " Nope. Never. The best answer to radicalisation is education and inclusion, never hatred and intolerance. | |||
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"stop telling them how they should live......" but then what right do muslims have to tell us how to live. | |||
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" just a thought but do you ever think multi culturism could be partialy responsible for radicalisation ...the jihadist don't wanna negotiate they want to rule the world and enforce sharia law upon everybody. jihad after all does translate as ,,,holy war Nope. Never. The best answer to radicalisation is education and inclusion, never hatred and intolerance. " I like the word inclusion its better than segregation only problem is they seem to prefer segregation ! | |||
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" 5/ ask America to adopt a more friendly foreign affair policy there current policy is just as effective in creating fanatics as the hate filled Islamic state schools. Whats your _iews on trying to stop the radicalisation of moderate muslims becoming fanatical ones ? " I think they should paint big smiley faces on the shells they drop on schools. If they're gonna aim at kids they should make a bit more of an effort I think  | |||
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How would you personally have felt if during the Irish troubles, given that you've done nothing wrong at all, your were stopped at the border and sent back? Or detained without charge or trial?
By the way did you mean Ahmed, Ali or Amir instead of Tom dick or harry?"Ide simply accept it as that's the way it is and head on back if I was not allowed border access or detained ide be happy in the knowledge that at last we had some sembelance of a border control protecting others from nutters like me | |||
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. " All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. | |||
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. " yawn same old drivel made without anything else to say fact you call me ignorant and a bigot in itself is ignorant and bigoted isn't it | |||
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"To be honest, I'm more concerned about Russia at the moment. No matter what we do there will always be religious conflicts of opinion. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think we should pressure other Muslim countries to sort it out between themselves and not get involved in religious fighting. bring our boys and girls home where they belong, and let them protect us and our multi culture society here instead of trying to do it hundreds of miles away. just a thought but do you ever think multi culturism could be partialy responsible for radicalisation ...the jihadist don't wanna negotiate they want to rule the world and enforce sharia law upon everybody. jihad after all does translate as ,,,holy war " Do you object to all multi-culturism? Why do you appear to associate multi-culturism with islam only | |||
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I'm pretty sure there was a democratic solution in Northern Ireland....
yes yr quite right the democratic solution came after the ira had bombed there way to the political negotiating table ...btw ime of irish catholic descent meself ,,,me mothers side
How would you personally have felt if during the Irish troubles, given that you've done nothing wrong at all, your were stopped at the border and sent back? Or detained without charge or trial?
By the way did you mean Ahmed, Ali or Amir instead of Tom dick or harry?
Ide simply accept it as that's the way it is and head on back if I was not allowed border access or detained ide be happy in the knowledge that at last we had some sembelance of a border control protecting others from nutters like me "Put like that there's something to be said for it  Of course, I think you're an innocent man, but since you are half irish and could be a potential terrorist, I think my strict border controls should detain you. Oh and because it'd be a risk to national security, I won't let anyone know that I've done it. Now I've got another one of you terrorists off the streets I need to look into your family and friends who were obviously responsible for radicalising you. Is that how it should work? | |||
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I'm pretty sure there was a democratic solution in Northern Ireland....
yes yr quite right the democratic solution came after the ira had bombed there way to the political negotiating table ...btw ime of irish catholic descent meself ,,,me mothers side
How would you personally have felt if during the Irish troubles, given that you've done nothing wrong at all, your were stopped at the border and sent back? Or detained without charge or trial?
By the way did you mean Ahmed, Ali or Amir instead of Tom dick or harry?
Ide simply accept it as that's the way it is and head on back if I was not allowed border access or detained ide be happy in the knowledge that at last we had some sembelance of a border control protecting others from nutters like me
Put like that there's something to be said for it Of course, I think you're an innocent man, but since you are half irish and could be a potential terrorist, I think my strict border controls should detain you. Oh and because it'd be a risk to national security, I won't let anyone know that I've done it. Now I've got another one of you terrorists off the streets I need to look into your family and friends who were obviously responsible for radicalising you. Is that how it should work?"well if its any consolation I got sent straight back from America but I dint whine about it just took it on the chin always wanted to visit Hawaii guess its cuba salsa and club havannas | |||
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"Why cant they just me normal and pray to their god and let others do there own thing without wishing to kill .?" I think you will find that the vast majority of muslims do fall in to that category. It's not just muslims that preach hate. No one thinks that the Westboro baptist Chruch or Anders Breivik represent Christians though | |||
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"Why cant they just be normal and pray to their god and let others do there own thing without wishing to kill .?" To be fair, they probably said the same about George W.....  | |||
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I'm pretty sure there was a democratic solution in Northern Ireland....
yes yr quite right the democratic solution came after the ira had bombed there way to the political negotiating table ...btw ime of irish catholic descent meself ,,,me mothers side
How would you personally have felt if during the Irish troubles, given that you've done nothing wrong at all, your were stopped at the border and sent back? Or detained without charge or trial?
By the way did you mean Ahmed, Ali or Amir instead of Tom dick or harry?
Ide simply accept it as that's the way it is and head on back if I was not allowed border access or detained ide be happy in the knowledge that at last we had some sembelance of a border control protecting others from nutters like me
Put like that there's something to be said for it Of course, I think you're an innocent man, but since you are half irish and could be a potential terrorist, I think my strict border controls should detain you. Oh and because it'd be a risk to national security, I won't let anyone know that I've done it. Now I've got another one of you terrorists off the streets I need to look into your family and friends who were obviously responsible for radicalising you. Is that how it should work?
well if its any consolation I got sent straight back from America but I dint whine about it just took it on the chin always wanted to visit Hawaii guess its cuba salsa and club havannas "Well with your terrorist background and their strict controls you're lucky that the bit of Cuba you got wasn't an orange jump suit in Guantanamo Bay. | |||
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. yawn same old drivel made without anything else to say fact you call me ignorant and a bigot in itself is ignorant and bigoted isn't it "Well no it isn't. The part of your posted is to paraphrase yourself 'drivel'. The muslim community regularly and vocally condemn atrocities and extremism but the media and the government prefer to focus on hate preachers. You are posting something that is factually incorrect with a healthy dose of bias and rhetoric. So tell me how is that not highlighting your own bigotry and intolerence? | |||
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"stop telling them how they should live...... but then what right do muslims have to tell us how to live."  | |||
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. yawn same old drivel made without anything else to say fact you call me ignorant and a bigot in itself is ignorant and bigoted isn't it
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The part of your posted is to paraphrase yourself 'drivel'. The muslim community regularly and vocally condemn atrocities and extremism but the media and the government prefer to focus on hate preachers. You are posting something that is factually incorrect with a healthy dose of bias and rhetoric. So tell me how is that not highlighting your own bigotry and intolerence?"so you have privelidged information from the media do you ? on the moderate muslims condemming there fanatics as you just said ..the media prefer to concentrate on just the hate preachers....if u ask me they could do with raising there voices a few octaves higher cos there fanatics seem to have difficulty hearing them. btw edging me bets is everybody who votes ukip a bigot and a racist to its you that's generalising not me and that in itself is ignorant and bigoted but ay ime a big boy call me what u want ...sticks and stones and all that | |||
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"stop telling them how they should live...... but then what right do muslims have to tell us how to live." I can honestly say that no Muslim has ever told me how to live. | |||
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"stop telling them how they should live...... but then what right do muslims have to tell us how to live. I can honestly say that no Muslim has ever told me how to live." Nor me. | |||
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"stop telling them how they should live...... but then what right do muslims have to tell us how to live. I can honestly say that no Muslim has ever told me how to live. Nor me. " I had one who told me to 'have a nice day' once. | |||
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"stop telling them how they should live...... but then what right do muslims have to tell us how to live. I can honestly say that no Muslim has ever told me how to live. Nor me. I had one who told me to 'have a nice day' once. " The utter horror! How dare they tell you what to do. | |||
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" The muslim community regularly and vocally condemn atrocities and extremism but the media and the government prefer to focus on hate preachers. You are posting something that is factually incorrect with a healthy dose of bias and rhetoric. So tell me how is that not highlighting your own bigotry and intolerence? so you have privelidged information from the media do you ? on the moderate muslims condemming there fanatics as you just said ..the media prefer to concentrate on just the hate preachers....if u ask me they could do with raising there voices a few octaves higher cos there fanatics seem to have difficulty hearing them. " Crystal is pretty much spot on.. Isaac its there on the mainstream media, go and have a look perhaps rather than making false and unsubstantiated claims.. | |||
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. yawn same old drivel made without anything else to say fact you call me ignorant and a bigot in itself is ignorant and bigoted isn't it
Well no it isn't.
The part of your posted is to paraphrase yourself 'drivel'. The muslim community regularly and vocally condemn atrocities and extremism but the media and the government prefer to focus on hate preachers. You are posting something that is factually incorrect with a healthy dose of bias and rhetoric. So tell me how is that not highlighting your own bigotry and intolerence?
so you have privelidged information from the media do you ? on the moderate muslims condemming there fanatics as you just said ..the media prefer to concentrate on just the hate preachers....if u ask me they could do with raising there voices a few octaves higher cos there fanatics seem to have difficulty hearing them.
btw edging me bets is everybody who votes ukip a bigot and a racist to its you that's generalising not me and that in itself is ignorant and bigoted but ay ime a big boy call me what u want ...sticks and stones and all that "So you didnt hear about the universal condemnation from Muslim leaders around the world of the Charlie Hebdo attacks? Or the universal condemnation of the killing of Alan Henning by British Muslims? Or that the Britsh Council of Muslims have accused extremists of hijacking Islam? Non of this is 'priveleged' information | |||
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yes yr quite right the democratic solution came after the ira had bombed there way to the political negotiating table ...btw ime of irish catholic descent meself ,,,me mothers side ". So am I(grandparents). What would we have been bombing Dublin for then, I hate to point this out to a fellow Irish immigrant but the ira were British from northern Ireland, they held British passports, they held mps positions in Westminster. The same goes for the UDF,UFF,UVF, it was a civil war in northern Ireland between two religious sides. The difference being that the Muslim problem is not a civil war, the three main Shi'a counties Iran, Syria and Lebanon are under attack from the majority sunni countries. Now sunni leaders may make the noises about the problems but in reality they disagree with how Isis are going about it, not the actual aim of Isis. Just like Ireland disagreed with the IRA's method not the aim (a united Ireland) | |||
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"stop telling them how they should live...... but then what right do muslims have to tell us how to live." they don't, outside of the voting process. | |||
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So am I(grandparents).
What would we have been bombing Dublin for then, I hate to point this out to a fellow Irish immigrant but the ira were British from northern Ireland, they held British passports, they held mps positions in Westminster.
The same goes for the UDF,UFF,UVF, it was a civil war in northern Ireland between two religious sides.
The difference being that the Muslim problem is not a civil war, the three main Shi'a counties Iran, Syria and Lebanon are under attack from the majority sunni countries.
Now sunni leaders may make the noises about the problems but in reality they disagree with how Isis are going about it, not the actual aim of Isis.
Just like Ireland disagreed with the IRA's method not the aim (a united Ireland)"yes ive fully versed in the troubles and "the cause" such as the bombings were part of trying to get Britain to hand back the 6 provinces (northern Ireland) back to eire. me great granddad was shot dead by black and tans ..u know the English crims given the choice of finishing there sentances or going over to Ireland to shoot dead a few catholic timmies such as my line. but this thread aint about the troubles now is it | |||
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yes yr quite right the democratic solution came after the ira had bombed there way to the political negotiating table ...btw ime of irish catholic descent meself ,,,me mothers side .
So am I(grandparents).
What would we have been bombing Dublin for then, I hate to point this out to a fellow Irish immigrant but the ira were British from northern Ireland, they held British passports, they held mps positions in Westminster.
The same goes for the UDF,UFF,UVF, it was a civil war in northern Ireland between two religious sides.
The difference being that the Muslim problem is not a civil war, the three main Shi'a counties Iran, Syria and Lebanon are under attack from the majority sunni countries.
Now sunni leaders may make the noises about the problems but in reality they disagree with how Isis are going about it, not the actual aim of Isis.
Just like Ireland disagreed with the IRA's method not the aim (a united Ireland)
yes ive fully versed in the troubles and "the cause" such as the bombings were part of trying to get Britain to hand back the 6 provinces (northern Ireland) back to eire. me great granddad was shot dead by black and tans ..u know the English crims given the choice of finishing there sentances or going over to Ireland to shoot dead a few catholic timmies such as my line.
but this thread aint about the troubles now is it "As someone of Irish Catholic descent do you believe that the means justified the end? | |||
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"Why cant they just be normal and pray to their god and let others do there own thing without wishing to kill .? To be fair, they probably said the same about George W..... " prob with George w was he was probably created in a laboratory by the cia they forgot to programme in how to breathe and eat pretzels at the same time and chose john wayne as a main character profile | |||
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"At the end of the day if u done that 200 years ago it was counted as a treason against the crown which was the death penalty if caught which should be established again britains gone soft now days." Actually the punishment for Treason was death until 1998 and the last person hanged for Treason was in 1948. By no stretch of the imagination anywhere near 200 years ago. | |||
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"It's always funny how the people the furthers away from something know the most about it. Also never trust anyone who's angle is full left or right or purely formed from bullshyt media "that's a very general post any context to fill in the blank spaces gis a clue | |||
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"To be honest, I'm more concerned about Russia at the moment. No matter what we do there will always be religious conflicts of opinion. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think we should pressure other Muslim countries to sort it out between themselves and not get involved in religious fighting. bring our boys and girls home where they belong, and let them protect us and our multi culture society here instead of trying to do it hundreds of miles away. just a thought but do you ever think multi culturism could be partialy responsible for radicalisation ...the jihadist don't wanna negotiate they want to rule the world and enforce sharia law upon everybody. jihad after all does translate as ,,,holy war " Jihad as exactly the same meaning as crusade. It can mean holy war, it can mean fighting non believers, it can mean an inner personal struggle or it can mean fighting for right. | |||
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"To be honest, I'm more concerned about Russia at the moment. No matter what we do there will always be religious conflicts of opinion. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think we should pressure other Muslim countries to sort it out between themselves and not get involved in religious fighting. bring our boys and girls home where they belong, and let them protect us and our multi culture society here instead of trying to do it hundreds of miles away. just a thought but do you ever think multi culturism could be partialy responsible for radicalisation ...the jihadist don't wanna negotiate they want to rule the world and enforce sharia law upon everybody. jihad after all does translate as ,,,holy war Jihad as exactly the same meaning as crusade. It can mean holy war, it can mean fighting non believers, it can mean an inner personal struggle or it can mean fighting for right." why cut yourself short and not go the whole hog and state islam translates to submit / give in | |||
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" just a thought but do you ever think multi culturism could be partialy responsible for radicalisation ...the jihadist don't wanna negotiate they want to rule the world and enforce sharia law upon everybody. jihad after all does translate as ,,,holy war Nope. Never. The best answer to radicalisation is education and inclusion, never hatred and intolerance. " On the other hand we do have to ask ourselves how much intolerance should a liberal, tolerant society accept in the name of multiculturalism. Whilst being broadly in favour of the multicultural argument I do sometimes wonder if we have not tolerated too much intolerance under the guise of cultural tolerance. | |||
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" just a thought but do you ever think multi culturism could be partialy responsible for radicalisation ...the jihadist don't wanna negotiate they want to rule the world and enforce sharia law upon everybody. jihad after all does translate as ,,,holy war Nope. Never. The best answer to radicalisation is education and inclusion, never hatred and intolerance. On the other hand we do have to ask ourselves how much intolerance should a liberal, tolerant society accept in the name of multiculturalism. Whilst being broadly in favour of the multicultural argument I do sometimes wonder if we have not tolerated too much intolerance under the guise of cultural tolerance." this cant be right I find meself agreeing with you | |||
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"stop telling them how they should live...... but then what right do muslims have to tell us how to live." They have no right to tell us how to live. However they do have the right to tell us, as any other religious organisation or any one else does, the right, under freedom of speech, to tell us what they believe and why, in their opinion, it's a better way to live. | |||
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"To be honest, I'm more concerned about Russia at the moment. No matter what we do there will always be religious conflicts of opinion. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think we should pressure other Muslim countries to sort it out between themselves and not get involved in religious fighting. bring our boys and girls home where they belong, and let them protect us and our multi culture society here instead of trying to do it hundreds of miles away." Very sensible post. While people are obsessed with what's happening in the Middle East, which is of no real consequence, the West is pushing Russia closer and closer to a genuine threat of Third World War. Of course, there's no Islamic element to that story, so people don't really care.  | |||
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"No, as if you had read what I said, you would understand that 99% of the Muslim and other ethnic people living in the uk are NOT fanatics and just want to get on with their lives. That's why we should bring our troops home and stamp out the 1% that do want to cause religious hatred. secure our borders and we will be a better country." I'm not so sure that waiting until ISIS is camped up in Calais ready to invade Britain is really the best way to defeat either ISIS or extremist here at home. | |||
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" The muslim community regularly and vocally condemn atrocities and extremism but the media and the government prefer to focus on hate preachers. You are posting something that is factually incorrect with a healthy dose of bias and rhetoric. So tell me how is that not highlighting your own bigotry and intolerence? so you have privelidged information from the media do you ? on the moderate muslims condemming there fanatics as you just said ..the media prefer to concentrate on just the hate preachers....if u ask me they could do with raising there voices a few octaves higher cos there fanatics seem to have difficulty hearing them. Crystal is pretty much spot on.. Isaac its there on the mainstream media, go and have a look perhaps rather than making false and unsubstantiated claims.. " pots and kettles could say the same about you on nothing more than your own belief not to believe that the cia flooded there own citizens with crack cocaine in order to use profits from drug deals to fund buying arms for the Nicaraguan contra rebels in order to overthrow the Nicaraguan democratically elected government in power at the time | |||
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"No, as if you had read what I said, you would understand that 99% of the Muslim and other ethnic people living in the uk are NOT fanatics and just want to get on with their lives. That's why we should bring our troops home and stamp out the 1% that do want to cause religious hatred. secure our borders and we will be a better country. I'm not so sure that waiting until ISIS is camped up in Calais ready to invade Britain is really the best way to defeat either ISIS or extremist here at home." ISIS will never be 'camped up in Calais', even if they were left alone for a thousand years. Honestly, do you pay attention to any form of reality other than the one that exists inside your own head? | |||
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"Why cant they just me normal and pray to their god and let others do there own thing without wishing to kill .? I think you will find that the vast majority of muslims do fall in to that category. It's not just muslims that preach hate. No one thinks that the Westboro baptist Chruch or Anders Breivik represent Christians though" | |||
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"No, as if you had read what I said, you would understand that 99% of the Muslim and other ethnic people living in the uk are NOT fanatics and just want to get on with their lives. That's why we should bring our troops home and stamp out the 1% that do want to cause religious hatred. secure our borders and we will be a better country. I'm not so sure that waiting until ISIS is camped up in Calais ready to invade Britain is really the best way to defeat either ISIS or extremist here at home. ISIS will never be 'camped up in Calais', even if they were left alone for a thousand years. Honestly, do you pay attention to any form of reality other than the one that exists inside your own head?" do you | |||
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"stop telling them how they should live...... but then what right do muslims have to tell us how to live. They have no right to tell us how to live. However they do have the right to tell us, as any other religious organisation or any one else does, the right, under freedom of speech, to tell us what they believe and why, in their opinion, it's a better way to live." yeah urm the freedom of speech thingy well rest assured should they ever win that freedom of speech entitlement is gonna be beheaded and taken away at the 1st instance | |||
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"The average Joe, be he western or Arabic is extremely influenced by media, but in reality has very little power. Now western and Arabic governments are in my opinion colluding on this whole Isis thing, there monetary backing is coming from Saudi Arabia, there recruitment is coming from western driven media. The Saudis are being given free reign on this subject by the west, you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. My concern is whether the Saudis will be able to keep control of the monster they create or like Frankenstein the monster will turn on it in the end." | |||
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. yawn same old drivel made without anything else to say fact you call me ignorant and a bigot in itself is ignorant and bigoted isn't it
Well no it isn't.
The part of your posted is to paraphrase yourself 'drivel'. The muslim community regularly and vocally condemn atrocities and extremism but the media and the government prefer to focus on hate preachers. You are posting something that is factually incorrect with a healthy dose of bias and rhetoric. So tell me how is that not highlighting your own bigotry and intolerence?"Whilst agreeing with your main points I don't think calling people bigots and intolerant just because they don't see it the same way as you actually moves the discussion forward. In fact this rush to condemn anyone who criticises any aspect of multiculturalism as racist or bigoted, even when true, has totally stifled any proper debate on the subject for far too long. The points you make about many moderate Muslim leaders condemning violence in the name of Islam are good and true and more than enough to counter Isaac's argument with out the added bit about intolerance and bigotry. Leave that to others to figure for themselves, which they will if it's true. | |||
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"OP I suggest you read the Huffington Posts article from today. It opened up a can of worms where MI5 and journalists knew of his existence long before the troubles erupted in the Middle East! I'll try and find a link and send it to you!" . That doesn't surprise me in the least, how do you think they knew Saddam had this weapon or that aircraft.... as the great man once said, they knew exactly what weapons he had, they just checked on the receipt | |||
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"To be honest, I'm more concerned about Russia at the moment. No matter what we do there will always be religious conflicts of opinion. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think we should pressure other Muslim countries to sort it out between themselves and not get involved in religious fighting. bring our boys and girls home where they belong, and let them protect us and our multi culture society here instead of trying to do it hundreds of miles away. Very sensible post. While people are obsessed with what's happening in the Middle East, which is of no real consequence, the West is pushing Russia closer and closer to a genuine threat of Third World War. Of course, there's no Islamic element to that story, so people don't really care. ". I'm not concerned about Russia at all, it's just typical tit for tat political manoeuvring!. The powers that be, only have power if you let them or go along with their fear mongering | |||
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" just a thought but do you ever think multi culturism could be partialy responsible for radicalisation ...the jihadist don't wanna negotiate they want to rule the world and enforce sharia law upon everybody. jihad after all does translate as ,,,holy war Nope. Never. The best answer to radicalisation is education and inclusion, never hatred and intolerance. On the other hand we do have to ask ourselves how much intolerance should a liberal, tolerant society accept in the name of multiculturalism. Whilst being broadly in favour of the multicultural argument I do sometimes wonder if we have not tolerated too much intolerance under the guise of cultural tolerance. this cant be right I find meself agreeing with you "Don't worry, it won't last long.  | |||
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"To be honest, I'm more concerned about Russia at the moment. No matter what we do there will always be religious conflicts of opinion. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think we should pressure other Muslim countries to sort it out between themselves and not get involved in religious fighting. bring our boys and girls home where they belong, and let them protect us and our multi culture society here instead of trying to do it hundreds of miles away. Very sensible post. While people are obsessed with what's happening in the Middle East, which is of no real consequence, the West is pushing Russia closer and closer to a genuine threat of Third World War. Of course, there's no Islamic element to that story, so people don't really care. "I think they do and know I do but it's not what this thread is about. | |||
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" just a thought but do you ever think multi culturism could be partialy responsible for radicalisation ...the jihadist don't wanna negotiate they want to rule the world and enforce sharia law upon everybody. jihad after all does translate as ,,,holy war Nope. Never. The best answer to radicalisation is education and inclusion, never hatred and intolerance. On the other hand we do have to ask ourselves how much intolerance should a liberal, tolerant society accept in the name of multiculturalism. Whilst being broadly in favour of the multicultural argument I do sometimes wonder if we have not tolerated too much intolerance under the guise of cultural tolerance." . I agree with you completely, if you look at the reality of the situation, it's the generations caught in the middle that get radicalised, they neither feel British nor Muslim. For far too long we've let people who emigrate to this country, sit in little pockets, continue in their own culture and with their own values. Which was fine for first generation immigrants but the problem is their children's children now feel totally disconnected from any culture and easily reprogrammed to fit into a dark sinister one | |||
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. yawn same old drivel made without anything else to say fact you call me ignorant and a bigot in itself is ignorant and bigoted isn't it
Well no it isn't.
The part of your posted is to paraphrase yourself 'drivel'. The muslim community regularly and vocally condemn atrocities and extremism but the media and the government prefer to focus on hate preachers. You are posting something that is factually incorrect with a healthy dose of bias and rhetoric. So tell me how is that not highlighting your own bigotry and intolerence?
Whilst agreeing with your main points I don't think calling people bigots and intolerant just because they don't see it the same way as you actually moves the discussion forward. In fact this rush to condemn anyone who criticises any aspect of multiculturalism as racist or bigoted, even when true, has totally stifled any proper debate on the subject for far too long.
The points you make about many moderate Muslim leaders condemning violence in the name of Islam are good and true and more than enough to counter Isaac's argument with out the added bit about intolerance and bigotry. Leave that to others to figure for themselves, which they will if it's true."In relation to my post can you please pont out to me how my post equates to me being a racist or a bigot ....is it because I dared to state maybe tighter border controls? If you care to actually read my post you will see that I am simply asking a question on how people thoughts on how to stop moderate muslms becoming fanatical ones. I simply gave my _iews and thoughts my opinions in the hope of hearing other peoples opinions we still at present live in a country that to a degree allows free speech courtesy of my granddad and others granddads as well as other countries granddads who fought and died on the beeches of Normandy and the jungles of Burma so that not also us but those who live amongst but also wish to commit acts of atrocities against us may express ourselves freely. I remember the news some muslim fanatics in Luton openly being allowed to call returning soildiers from Iraq war criminals and baby butcherers. and 1 old 2nd world war veteran facing them alone and saying to them it was people like me and my comrades that allow you to stand here and shout your insults at our brave boys by sacrificing ourselves so that freedom of speech may continue. tell me how does it feel as its an alien feeling to me having the opinion that your opinion is never wrong and you are always right and your opinions are always far superior to anybody elses as to me I am incapable of coming with pretence. | |||
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"No, as if you had read what I said, you would understand that 99% of the Muslim and other ethnic people living in the uk are NOT fanatics and just want to get on with their lives. That's why we should bring our troops home and stamp out the 1% that do want to cause religious hatred. secure our borders and we will be a better country. I'm not so sure that waiting until ISIS is camped up in Calais ready to invade Britain is really the best way to defeat either ISIS or extremist here at home. ISIS will never be 'camped up in Calais', even if they were left alone for a thousand years. Honestly, do you pay attention to any form of reality other than the one that exists inside your own head?" So, at what point would it be right for Britain to intervene, when ISIS invade Turkey (a member state of NATO and bordering on Syria) or maybe Greece (which borders Turkey and is part of the EU), or Serbia, or Austria, or Germany, or (like I said originally) France. It's already far too bam close, waiting till it gets closer is just Burning your head in the sand to try and avoid doing what will have to be done sooner or later because you don't like the sound of it. And, yes I'm totally in touch with reality and probably know a lot more about these issues than most and possibly even you. | |||
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"stop telling them how they should live...... but then what right do muslims have to tell us how to live. They have no right to tell us how to live. However they do have the right to tell us, as any other religious organisation or any one else does, the right, under freedom of speech, to tell us what they believe and why, in their opinion, it's a better way to live. yeah urm the freedom of speech thingy well rest assured should they ever win that freedom of speech entitlement is gonna be beheaded and taken away at the 1st instance "Then we make pretty sure that we don't let them win either militarily or politically but I don't think we'll achieve that by refusing them the same basic, British rights as every other British Citizen is entitled to; unless they break the law of course. | |||
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"No, as if you had read what I said, you would understand that 99% of the Muslim and other ethnic people living in the uk are NOT fanatics and just want to get on with their lives. That's why we should bring our troops home and stamp out the 1% that do want to cause religious hatred. secure our borders and we will be a better country. I'm not so sure that waiting until ISIS is camped up in Calais ready to invade Britain is really the best way to defeat either ISIS or extremist here at home. ISIS will never be 'camped up in Calais', even if they were left alone for a thousand years. Honestly, do you pay attention to any form of reality other than the one that exists inside your own head? So, at what point would it be right for Britain to intervene, when ISIS invade Turkey (a member state of NATO and bordering on Syria) or maybe Greece (which borders Turkey and is part of the EU), or Serbia, or Austria, or Germany, or (like I said originally) France. It's already far too bam close, waiting till it gets closer is just Burning your head in the sand to try and avoid doing what will have to be done sooner or later because you don't like the sound of it. And, yes I'm totally in touch with reality and probably know a lot more about these issues than most and possibly even you." yep you sure do know a lot more about issues than anybody else ...in yr own lil world | |||
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. yawn same old drivel made without anything else to say fact you call me ignorant and a bigot in itself is ignorant and bigoted isn't it "No, calling you a bigot doesn't mean the person who called you that is also a bigot. I love it when people who don't understand fairly basic words thing they have world solutions. And you don't, by the way. Every religion has fanatics who murder - but you singling out Muslims for extra special treatment is where the 'bigot' light is flashing. All religion is shit and vile, but your focus on one over all others is exactly why we have a segregation problem and why people become extremists - you demand things from 'moderate Muslims' without actually being very moderate yourself. | |||
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. yawn same old drivel made without anything else to say fact you call me ignorant and a bigot in itself is ignorant and bigoted isn't it
Well no it isn't.
The part of your posted is to paraphrase yourself 'drivel'. The muslim community regularly and vocally condemn atrocities and extremism but the media and the government prefer to focus on hate preachers. You are posting something that is factually incorrect with a healthy dose of bias and rhetoric. So tell me how is that not highlighting your own bigotry and intolerence?
Whilst agreeing with your main points I don't think calling people bigots and intolerant just because they don't see it the same way as you actually moves the discussion forward. In fact this rush to condemn anyone who criticises any aspect of multiculturalism as racist or bigoted, even when true, has totally stifled any proper debate on the subject for far too long.
The points you make about many moderate Muslim leaders condemning violence in the name of Islam are good and true and more than enough to counter Isaac's argument with out the added bit about intolerance and bigotry. Leave that to others to figure for themselves, which they will if it's true.
In relation to my post can you please pont out to me how my post equates to me being a racist or a bigot ....is it because I dared to state maybe tighter border controls?
If you care to actually read my post you will see that I am simply asking a question on how people thoughts on how to stop moderate muslms becoming fanatical ones. I simply gave my _iews and thoughts my opinions in the hope of hearing other peoples opinions
we still at present live in a country that to a degree allows free speech courtesy of my granddad and others granddads as well as other countries granddads who fought and died on the beeches of Normandy and the jungles of Burma so that not also us but those who live amongst but also wish to commit acts of atrocities against us may express ourselves freely.
I remember the news some muslim fanatics in Luton openly being allowed to call returning soildiers from Iraq war criminals and baby butcherers. and 1 old 2nd world war veteran facing them alone and saying to them it was people like me and my comrades that allow you to stand here and shout your insults at our brave boys by sacrificing ourselves so that freedom of speech may continue.
tell me how does it feel as its an alien feeling to me having the opinion that your opinion is never wrong and you are always right and your opinions are always far superior to anybody elses as to me I am incapable of coming with pretence. "Just to be absolutely clear, I am not calling you either a racist, bigot or intolerant and never will. That was someone else that said that. | |||
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"No, as if you had read what I said, you would understand that 99% of the Muslim and other ethnic people living in the uk are NOT fanatics and just want to get on with their lives. That's why we should bring our troops home and stamp out the 1% that do want to cause religious hatred. secure our borders and we will be a better country. I'm not so sure that waiting until ISIS is camped up in Calais ready to invade Britain is really the best way to defeat either ISIS or extremist here at home. ISIS will never be 'camped up in Calais', even if they were left alone for a thousand years. Honestly, do you pay attention to any form of reality other than the one that exists inside your own head? So, at what point would it be right for Britain to intervene, when ISIS invade Turkey (a member state of NATO and bordering on Syria) or maybe Greece (which borders Turkey and is part of the EU), or Serbia, or Austria, or Germany, or (like I said originally) France. It's already far too bam close, waiting till it gets closer is just Burning your head in the sand to try and avoid doing what will have to be done sooner or later because you don't like the sound of it. And, yes I'm totally in touch with reality and probably know a lot more about these issues than most and possibly even you. yep you sure do know a lot more about issues than anybody else ...in yr own lil world "Well others can decide that for themselves based on the contents of my posts. | |||
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"stop telling them how they should live...... but then what right do muslims have to tell us how to live. I can honestly say that no Muslim has ever told me how to live. Nor me. I had one who told me to 'have a nice day' once. " And then he moderately beheaded you, right? | |||
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. yawn same old drivel made without anything else to say fact you call me ignorant and a bigot in itself is ignorant and bigoted isn't it
No, calling you a bigot doesn't mean the person who called you that is also a bigot. I love it when people who don't understand fairly basic words thing they have world solutions. And you don't, by the way. Every religion has fanatics who murder - but you singling out Muslims for extra special treatment is where the 'bigot' light is flashing. All religion is shit and vile, but your focus on one over all others is exactly why we have a segregation problem and why people become extremists - you demand things from 'moderate Muslims' without actually being very moderate yourself."'All religion is vile and shit'. Some might think that statement a little bigoted, don't you think? | |||
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No, calling you a bigot doesn't mean the person who called you that is also a bigot. I love it when people who don't understand fairly basic words thing they have world solutions. And you don't, by the way. Every religion has fanatics who murder - but you singling out Muslims for extra special treatment is where the 'bigot' light is flashing. All religion is shit and vile, but your focus on one over all others is exactly why we have a segregation problem and why people become extremists - you demand things from 'moderate Muslims' without actually being very moderate yourself.". Stop taking nonsense for Christ's sake. Yes all religions have problems and fanatics. But where's the catholic standing army that's beheading people in the name of gaining other peoples counties, it's not bigoted to point out that at the moment Islam has a big problem with radicals and if it is... Well let's never hear another word said against crazed right wing American Christians... Oh yes, I bet you like taking the piss out of the white crazed idiots but not the coloured ones. Your by definition a racist! | |||
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. yawn same old drivel made without anything else to say fact you call me ignorant and a bigot in itself is ignorant and bigoted isn't it
Well no it isn't.
The part of your posted is to paraphrase yourself 'drivel'. The muslim community regularly and vocally condemn atrocities and extremism but the media and the government prefer to focus on hate preachers. You are posting something that is factually incorrect with a healthy dose of bias and rhetoric. So tell me how is that not highlighting your own bigotry and intolerence?
Whilst agreeing with your main points I don't think calling people bigots and intolerant just because they don't see it the same way as you actually moves the discussion forward. In fact this rush to condemn anyone who criticises any aspect of multiculturalism as racist or bigoted, even when true, has totally stifled any proper debate on the subject for far too long.
The points you make about many moderate Muslim leaders condemning violence in the name of Islam are good and true and more than enough to counter Isaac's argument with out the added bit about intolerance and bigotry. Leave that to others to figure for themselves, which they will if it's true.
In relation to my post can you please pont out to me how my post equates to me being a racist or a bigot ....is it because I dared to state maybe tighter border controls?
If you care to actually read my post you will see that I am simply asking a question on how people thoughts on how to stop moderate muslms becoming fanatical ones. I simply gave my _iews and thoughts my opinions in the hope of hearing other peoples opinions
we still at present live in a country that to a degree allows free speech courtesy of my granddad and others granddads as well as other countries granddads who fought and died on the beeches of Normandy and the jungles of Burma so that not also us but those who live amongst but also wish to commit acts of atrocities against us may express ourselves freely.
I remember the news some muslim fanatics in Luton openly being allowed to call returning soildiers from Iraq war criminals and baby butcherers. and 1 old 2nd world war veteran facing them alone and saying to them it was people like me and my comrades that allow you to stand here and shout your insults at our brave boys by sacrificing ourselves so that freedom of speech may continue.
tell me how does it feel as its an alien feeling to me having the opinion that your opinion is never wrong and you are always right and your opinions are always far superior to anybody elses as to me I am incapable of coming with pretence. "Funnily enough, the wars were never about freedom of speech. It wasn't under threat, so that isn't why any bodies freedom of speech is sacred. For women like me, I owe my freedom of speech to movements like the Suffragettes. No-ones granddaddy died for my right to vote or speak my mind, but a few great-grannies went through hell. So your current affairs and history are dramatically influenced by propaganda and whimsy. Great. | |||
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. yawn same old drivel made without anything else to say fact you call me ignorant and a bigot in itself is ignorant and bigoted isn't it
No, calling you a bigot doesn't mean the person who called you that is also a bigot. I love it when people who don't understand fairly basic words thing they have world solutions. And you don't, by the way. Every religion has fanatics who murder - but you singling out Muslims for extra special treatment is where the 'bigot' light is flashing. All religion is shit and vile, but your focus on one over all others is exactly why we have a segregation problem and why people become extremists - you demand things from 'moderate Muslims' without actually being very moderate yourself..
Stop taking nonsense for Christ's sake. Yes all religions have problems and fanatics.
But where's the catholic standing army that's beheading people in the name of gaining other peoples counties, it's not bigoted to point out that at the moment Islam has a big problem with radicals and if it is... Well let's never hear another word said against crazed right wing American Christians... Oh yes, I bet you like taking the piss out of the white crazed idiots but not the coloured ones.
Your by definition a racist!"Pathetic. I'm racist by definition if I look down on other races. I don't. Glad to clear that up for you, you seem so easily confused by absolutely everything ever. | |||
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. yawn same old drivel made without anything else to say fact you call me ignorant and a bigot in itself is ignorant and bigoted isn't it
Well no it isn't.
The part of your posted is to paraphrase yourself 'drivel'. The muslim community regularly and vocally condemn atrocities and extremism but the media and the government prefer to focus on hate preachers. You are posting something that is factually incorrect with a healthy dose of bias and rhetoric. So tell me how is that not highlighting your own bigotry and intolerence?
Whilst agreeing with your main points I don't think calling people bigots and intolerant just because they don't see it the same way as you actually moves the discussion forward. In fact this rush to condemn anyone who criticises any aspect of multiculturalism as racist or bigoted, even when true, has totally stifled any proper debate on the subject for far too long.
The points you make about many moderate Muslim leaders condemning violence in the name of Islam are good and true and more than enough to counter Isaac's argument with out the added bit about intolerance and bigotry. Leave that to others to figure for themselves, which they will if it's true.
In relation to my post can you please pont out to me how my post equates to me being a racist or a bigot ....is it because I dared to state maybe tighter border controls?
If you care to actually read my post you will see that I am simply asking a question on how people thoughts on how to stop moderate muslms becoming fanatical ones. I simply gave my _iews and thoughts my opinions in the hope of hearing other peoples opinions
we still at present live in a country that to a degree allows free speech courtesy of my granddad and others granddads as well as other countries granddads who fought and died on the beeches of Normandy and the jungles of Burma so that not also us but those who live amongst but also wish to commit acts of atrocities against us may express ourselves freely.
I remember the news some muslim fanatics in Luton openly being allowed to call returning soildiers from Iraq war criminals and baby butcherers. and 1 old 2nd world war veteran facing them alone and saying to them it was people like me and my comrades that allow you to stand here and shout your insults at our brave boys by sacrificing ourselves so that freedom of speech may continue.
tell me how does it feel as its an alien feeling to me having the opinion that your opinion is never wrong and you are always right and your opinions are always far superior to anybody elses as to me I am incapable of coming with pretence.
Funnily enough, the wars were never about freedom of speech. It wasn't under threat, so that isn't why any bodies freedom of speech is sacred. For women like me, I owe my freedom of speech to movements like the Suffragettes. No-ones granddaddy died for my right to vote or speak my mind, but a few great-grannies went through hell. So your current affairs and history are dramatically influenced by propaganda and whimsy. Great.". That was your right to vote not to freedom of speech. That was granted in the overthrow of king James which gave you the bill of rights in 16 hundred and odd. And at the same time as giving you freedom of speech it took the right for Catholics to become king or serve in the military or hold positions in parliament.... Yeah white religious folk got picked on also! | |||
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No, calling you a bigot doesn't mean the person who called you that is also a bigot. I love it when people who don't understand fairly basic words thing they have world solutions. And you don't, by the way. Every religion has fanatics who murder - but you singling out Muslims for extra special treatment is where the 'bigot' light is flashing. All religion is shit and vile, but your focus on one over all others is exactly why we have a segregation problem and why people become extremists - you demand things from 'moderate Muslims' without actually being very moderate yourself..
Stop taking nonsense for Christ's sake. Yes all religions have problems and fanatics.
But where's the catholic standing army that's beheading people in the name of gaining other peoples counties, it's not bigoted to point out that at the moment Islam has a big problem with radicals and if it is... Well let's never hear another word said against crazed right wing American Christians... Oh yes, I bet you like taking the piss out of the white crazed idiots but not the coloured ones.
Your by definition a racist!"tar if that person had actually bothered to read my post then he would have seen that one of the things I also advocate is a friendlier American foreign policy as to me there current foreign policy is only aiding as a recruitment drive for isis alshabab and alqeida | |||
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No, calling you a bigot doesn't mean the person who called you that is also a bigot. I love it when people who don't understand fairly basic words thing they have world solutions. And you don't, by the way. Every religion has fanatics who murder - but you singling out Muslims for extra special treatment is where the 'bigot' light is flashing. All religion is shit and vile, but your focus on one over all others is exactly why we have a segregation problem and why people become extremists - you demand things from 'moderate Muslims' without actually being very moderate yourself.
'All religion is vile and shit'. Some might think that statement a little bigoted, don't you think?"No. I'm in no way unreasonable about my dislike of religion. There's the crux. | |||
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. yawn same old drivel made without anything else to say fact you call me ignorant and a bigot in itself is ignorant and bigoted isn't it
Well no it isn't.
The part of your posted is to paraphrase yourself 'drivel'. The muslim community regularly and vocally condemn atrocities and extremism but the media and the government prefer to focus on hate preachers. You are posting something that is factually incorrect with a healthy dose of bias and rhetoric. So tell me how is that not highlighting your own bigotry and intolerence?
Whilst agreeing with your main points I don't think calling people bigots and intolerant just because they don't see it the same way as you actually moves the discussion forward. In fact this rush to condemn anyone who criticises any aspect of multiculturalism as racist or bigoted, even when true, has totally stifled any proper debate on the subject for far too long.
The points you make about many moderate Muslim leaders condemning violence in the name of Islam are good and true and more than enough to counter Isaac's argument with out the added bit about intolerance and bigotry. Leave that to others to figure for themselves, which they will if it's true.
In relation to my post can you please pont out to me how my post equates to me being a racist or a bigot ....is it because I dared to state maybe tighter border controls?
If you care to actually read my post you will see that I am simply asking a question on how people thoughts on how to stop moderate muslms becoming fanatical ones. I simply gave my _iews and thoughts my opinions in the hope of hearing other peoples opinions
we still at present live in a country that to a degree allows free speech courtesy of my granddad and others granddads as well as other countries granddads who fought and died on the beeches of Normandy and the jungles of Burma so that not also us but those who live amongst but also wish to commit acts of atrocities against us may express ourselves freely.
I remember the news some muslim fanatics in Luton openly being allowed to call returning soildiers from Iraq war criminals and baby butcherers. and 1 old 2nd world war veteran facing them alone and saying to them it was people like me and my comrades that allow you to stand here and shout your insults at our brave boys by sacrificing ourselves so that freedom of speech may continue.
tell me how does it feel as its an alien feeling to me having the opinion that your opinion is never wrong and you are always right and your opinions are always far superior to anybody elses as to me I am incapable of coming with pretence.
Funnily enough, the wars were never about freedom of speech. It wasn't under threat, so that isn't why any bodies freedom of speech is sacred. For women like me, I owe my freedom of speech to movements like the Suffragettes. No-ones granddaddy died for my right to vote or speak my mind, but a few great-grannies went through hell. So your current affairs and history are dramatically influenced by propaganda and whimsy. Great..
That was your right to vote not to freedom of speech.
That was granted in the overthrow of king James which gave you the bill of rights in 16 hundred and odd. And at the same time as giving you freedom of speech it took the right for Catholics to become king or serve in the military or hold positions in parliament.... Yeah white religious folk got picked on also!"No war has been fought over freedom of speech, but plenty of civil right movements, and the suffragettes were not limited to the vote - which is also a freedom of speech issue. No vote - no voice. Pretty simple. | |||
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. yawn same old drivel made without anything else to say fact you call me ignorant and a bigot in itself is ignorant and bigoted isn't it
No, calling you a bigot doesn't mean the person who called you that is also a bigot. I love it when people who don't understand fairly basic words thing they have world solutions. And you don't, by the way. Every religion has fanatics who murder - but you singling out Muslims for extra special treatment is where the 'bigot' light is flashing. All religion is shit and vile, but your focus on one over all others is exactly why we have a segregation problem and why people become extremists - you demand things from 'moderate Muslims' without actually being very moderate yourself.
'All religion is vile and shit'. Some might think that statement a little bigoted, don't you think?
No. I'm in no way unreasonable about my dislike of religion. There's the crux.". Your more dangerous than a racist, your a denier!. You deny there's any problems anywhere that might offend people, especially offending anyone that might make you look like a bad person. Your the type of person who wouldn't have called Adolf evil in case it offended moustache wearer's. | |||
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. yawn same old drivel made without anything else to say fact you call me ignorant and a bigot in itself is ignorant and bigoted isn't it
Well no it isn't.
The part of your posted is to paraphrase yourself 'drivel'. The muslim community regularly and vocally condemn atrocities and extremism but the media and the government prefer to focus on hate preachers. You are posting something that is factually incorrect with a healthy dose of bias and rhetoric. So tell me how is that not highlighting your own bigotry and intolerence?
Whilst agreeing with your main points I don't think calling people bigots and intolerant just because they don't see it the same way as you actually moves the discussion forward. In fact this rush to condemn anyone who criticises any aspect of multiculturalism as racist or bigoted, even when true, has totally stifled any proper debate on the subject for far too long.
The points you make about many moderate Muslim leaders condemning violence in the name of Islam are good and true and more than enough to counter Isaac's argument with out the added bit about intolerance and bigotry. Leave that to others to figure for themselves, which they will if it's true.
In relation to my post can you please pont out to me how my post equates to me being a racist or a bigot ....is it because I dared to state maybe tighter border controls?
If you care to actually read my post you will see that I am simply asking a question on how people thoughts on how to stop moderate muslms becoming fanatical ones. I simply gave my _iews and thoughts my opinions in the hope of hearing other peoples opinions
we still at present live in a country that to a degree allows free speech courtesy of my granddad and others granddads as well as other countries granddads who fought and died on the beeches of Normandy and the jungles of Burma so that not also us but those who live amongst but also wish to commit acts of atrocities against us may express ourselves freely.
I remember the news some muslim fanatics in Luton openly being allowed to call returning soildiers from Iraq war criminals and baby butcherers. and 1 old 2nd world war veteran facing them alone and saying to them it was people like me and my comrades that allow you to stand here and shout your insults at our brave boys by sacrificing ourselves so that freedom of speech may continue.
tell me how does it feel as its an alien feeling to me having the opinion that your opinion is never wrong and you are always right and your opinions are always far superior to anybody elses as to me I am incapable of coming with pretence.
Funnily enough, the wars were never about freedom of speech. It wasn't under threat, so that isn't why any bodies freedom of speech is sacred. For women like me, I owe my freedom of speech to movements like the Suffragettes. No-ones granddaddy died for my right to vote or speak my mind, but a few great-grannies went through hell. So your current affairs and history are dramatically influenced by propaganda and whimsy. Great..
That was your right to vote not to freedom of speech.
That was granted in the overthrow of king James which gave you the bill of rights in 16 hundred and odd. And at the same time as giving you freedom of speech it took the right for Catholics to become king or serve in the military or hold positions in parliament.... Yeah white religious folk got picked on also!
No war has been fought over freedom of speech, but plenty of civil right movements, and the suffragettes were not limited to the vote - which is also a freedom of speech issue. No vote - no voice. Pretty simple. ". If there'd had no freedom of speech they wouldn't have been able to protest for a vote, stop being pedantic. Right now Islam has a major problem with radicalising youngsters into hacking peoples heads off with penknifes and burning people alive in cages while filming it all for recruitment purposes..... Now last time I checked that's slightly worse than the odd crazed Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist but it's not saying that other religions don't have problems, just that at this minute it's the Islamic one that needs the most attention. | |||
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. yawn same old drivel made without anything else to say fact you call me ignorant and a bigot in itself is ignorant and bigoted isn't it
No, calling you a bigot doesn't mean the person who called you that is also a bigot. I love it when people who don't understand fairly basic words thing they have world solutions. And you don't, by the way. Every religion has fanatics who murder - but you singling out Muslims for extra special treatment is where the 'bigot' light is flashing. All religion is shit and vile, but your focus on one over all others is exactly why we have a segregation problem and why people become extremists - you demand things from 'moderate Muslims' without actually being very moderate yourself.
'All religion is vile and shit'. Some might think that statement a little bigoted, don't you think?
No. I'm in no way unreasonable about my dislike of religion. There's the crux..
Your more dangerous than a racist, your a denier!.
You deny there's any problems anywhere that might offend people, especially offending anyone that might make you look like a bad person.
Your the type of person who wouldn't have called Adolf evil in case it offended moustache wearer's."It wasn't Adolf's fault, he was groomed by Bismarck and his cronies. | |||
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. yawn same old drivel made without anything else to say fact you call me ignorant and a bigot in itself is ignorant and bigoted isn't it
No, calling you a bigot doesn't mean the person who called you that is also a bigot. I love it when people who don't understand fairly basic words thing they have world solutions. And you don't, by the way. Every religion has fanatics who murder - but you singling out Muslims for extra special treatment is where the 'bigot' light is flashing. All religion is shit and vile, but your focus on one over all others is exactly why we have a segregation problem and why people become extremists - you demand things from 'moderate Muslims' without actually being very moderate yourself.
'All religion is vile and shit'. Some might think that statement a little bigoted, don't you think?
No. I'm in no way unreasonable about my dislike of religion. There's the crux..
Your more dangerous than a racist, your a denier!.
You deny there's any problems anywhere that might offend people, especially offending anyone that might make you look like a bad person.
Your the type of person who wouldn't have called Adolf evil in case it offended moustache wearer's."Short answer - you're just an idiot. To address your 'points' what exactly am I denying? Specifically? I don't deny problems, I'm not here saying things are great. There is a huge problem with Muslims - but it doesn't eclipse the problems from abortion-bombing Christians, or genital-mutilating Jews, or disability-denying Buddhism. The problem is people like you overlook white Christianity and it's horrific pedophilia record because hating brown Muslims is easier. It gives you the excuse to be racist you want - there's even a 'solution' on here to tighten up immigration! What, so white home grown terrorists don't exist? Or they're ok? I'm happy to offend you or anyone, especially if you're really, really thick and racist. And I see nothing that disputes that. And fantastic bringing up hitler, that's a normal and reasonable point to make. I'm against all religion, and that means I like hitler? Put your crack pipe down you daft skank. | |||
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. yawn same old drivel made without anything else to say fact you call me ignorant and a bigot in itself is ignorant and bigoted isn't it
Well no it isn't.
The part of your posted is to paraphrase yourself 'drivel'. The muslim community regularly and vocally condemn atrocities and extremism but the media and the government prefer to focus on hate preachers. You are posting something that is factually incorrect with a healthy dose of bias and rhetoric. So tell me how is that not highlighting your own bigotry and intolerence?
Whilst agreeing with your main points I don't think calling people bigots and intolerant just because they don't see it the same way as you actually moves the discussion forward. In fact this rush to condemn anyone who criticises any aspect of multiculturalism as racist or bigoted, even when true, has totally stifled any proper debate on the subject for far too long.
The points you make about many moderate Muslim leaders condemning violence in the name of Islam are good and true and more than enough to counter Isaac's argument with out the added bit about intolerance and bigotry. Leave that to others to figure for themselves, which they will if it's true.
In relation to my post can you please pont out to me how my post equates to me being a racist or a bigot ....is it because I dared to state maybe tighter border controls?
If you care to actually read my post you will see that I am simply asking a question on how people thoughts on how to stop moderate muslms becoming fanatical ones. I simply gave my _iews and thoughts my opinions in the hope of hearing other peoples opinions
we still at present live in a country that to a degree allows free speech courtesy of my granddad and others granddads as well as other countries granddads who fought and died on the beeches of Normandy and the jungles of Burma so that not also us but those who live amongst but also wish to commit acts of atrocities against us may express ourselves freely.
I remember the news some muslim fanatics in Luton openly being allowed to call returning soildiers from Iraq war criminals and baby butcherers. and 1 old 2nd world war veteran facing them alone and saying to them it was people like me and my comrades that allow you to stand here and shout your insults at our brave boys by sacrificing ourselves so that freedom of speech may continue.
tell me how does it feel as its an alien feeling to me having the opinion that your opinion is never wrong and you are always right and your opinions are always far superior to anybody elses as to me I am incapable of coming with pretence.
Funnily enough, the wars were never about freedom of speech. It wasn't under threat, so that isn't why any bodies freedom of speech is sacred. For women like me, I owe my freedom of speech to movements like the Suffragettes. No-ones granddaddy died for my right to vote or speak my mind, but a few great-grannies went through hell. So your current affairs and history are dramatically influenced by propaganda and whimsy. Great..
That was your right to vote not to freedom of speech.
That was granted in the overthrow of king James which gave you the bill of rights in 16 hundred and odd. And at the same time as giving you freedom of speech it took the right for Catholics to become king or serve in the military or hold positions in parliament.... Yeah white religious folk got picked on also!
No war has been fought over freedom of speech, but plenty of civil right movements, and the suffragettes were not limited to the vote - which is also a freedom of speech issue. No vote - no voice. Pretty simple. .
If there'd had no freedom of speech they wouldn't have been able to protest for a vote, stop being pedantic.
Right now Islam has a major problem with radicalising youngsters into hacking peoples heads off with penknifes and burning people alive in cages while filming it all for recruitment purposes..... Now last time I checked that's slightly worse than the odd crazed Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist but it's not saying that other religions don't have problems, just that at this minute it's the Islamic one that needs the most attention."If they had freedom of speech why were they arrested for exercising it? Do you even history bro? Facts aren't pedantic, especially as someone actually tried to state that grandfathers dying in Normandy is why I can type here. As to your stance on Muslims vs other religions, you think the pedophilia in the church is ok do you? Thousands of cases. How about Catholics stealing babies from unwed mothers in Spain and Ireland? You haven't been through any of that, so who are you to decide which is better or worse? They all deserve attention, but it's just Muslims at the moment because of oil. | |||
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. yawn same old drivel made without anything else to say fact you call me ignorant and a bigot in itself is ignorant and bigoted isn't it
No, calling you a bigot doesn't mean the person who called you that is also a bigot. I love it when people who don't understand fairly basic words thing they have world solutions. And you don't, by the way. Every religion has fanatics who murder - but you singling out Muslims for extra special treatment is where the 'bigot' light is flashing. All religion is shit and vile, but your focus on one over all others is exactly why we have a segregation problem and why people become extremists - you demand things from 'moderate Muslims' without actually being very moderate yourself.
'All religion is vile and shit'. Some might think that statement a little bigoted, don't you think?
No. I'm in no way unreasonable about my dislike of religion. There's the crux..
Your more dangerous than a racist, your a denier!.
You deny there's any problems anywhere that might offend people, especially offending anyone that might make you look like a bad person.
Your the type of person who wouldn't have called Adolf evil in case it offended moustache wearer's.
Short answer - you're just an idiot. To address your 'points' what exactly am I denying? Specifically? I don't deny problems, I'm not here saying things are great. There is a huge problem with Muslims - but it doesn't eclipse the problems from abortion-bombing Christians, or genital-mutilating Jews, or disability-denying Buddhism. The problem is people like you overlook white Christianity and it's horrific pedophilia record because hating brown Muslims is easier. It gives you the excuse to be racist you want - there's even a 'solution' on here to tighten up immigration! What, so white home grown terrorists don't exist? Or they're ok? I'm happy to offend you or anyone, especially if you're really, really thick and racist. And I see nothing that disputes that. And fantastic bringing up hitler, that's a normal and reasonable point to make. I'm against all religion, and that means I like hitler? Put your crack pipe down you daft skank."err where exactly did I put in my post about excluding people of Asian Arabic appearance at border control ??? I think you will find I didn't As for you saying abortion bombing Christians and genitalia nutilating jews where is your proof to your statement it seems to me there is nothing to your words other than fantasy with a touch of anti semitsm in relation to your genitalia nutilating jews nonsense. you rant on about every other faith other than islam and its current problem with fundamental fanatics ...your not one of them by any chance are you cos you sure do come across that way. | |||
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. yawn same old drivel made without anything else to say fact you call me ignorant and a bigot in itself is ignorant and bigoted isn't it
Well no it isn't.
The part of your posted is to paraphrase yourself 'drivel'. The muslim community regularly and vocally condemn atrocities and extremism but the media and the government prefer to focus on hate preachers. You are posting something that is factually incorrect with a healthy dose of bias and rhetoric. So tell me how is that not highlighting your own bigotry and intolerence?
Whilst agreeing with your main points I don't think calling people bigots and intolerant just because they don't see it the same way as you actually moves the discussion forward. In fact this rush to condemn anyone who criticises any aspect of multiculturalism as racist or bigoted, even when true, has totally stifled any proper debate on the subject for far too long.
The points you make about many moderate Muslim leaders condemning violence in the name of Islam are good and true and more than enough to counter Isaac's argument with out the added bit about intolerance and bigotry. Leave that to others to figure for themselves, which they will if it's true.
In relation to my post can you please pont out to me how my post equates to me being a racist or a bigot ....is it because I dared to state maybe tighter border controls?
If you care to actually read my post you will see that I am simply asking a question on how people thoughts on how to stop moderate muslms becoming fanatical ones. I simply gave my _iews and thoughts my opinions in the hope of hearing other peoples opinions
we still at present live in a country that to a degree allows free speech courtesy of my granddad and others granddads as well as other countries granddads who fought and died on the beeches of Normandy and the jungles of Burma so that not also us but those who live amongst but also wish to commit acts of atrocities against us may express ourselves freely.
I remember the news some muslim fanatics in Luton openly being allowed to call returning soildiers from Iraq war criminals and baby butcherers. and 1 old 2nd world war veteran facing them alone and saying to them it was people like me and my comrades that allow you to stand here and shout your insults at our brave boys by sacrificing ourselves so that freedom of speech may continue.
tell me how does it feel as its an alien feeling to me having the opinion that your opinion is never wrong and you are always right and your opinions are always far superior to anybody elses as to me I am incapable of coming with pretence.
Funnily enough, the wars were never about freedom of speech. It wasn't under threat, so that isn't why any bodies freedom of speech is sacred. For women like me, I owe my freedom of speech to movements like the Suffragettes. No-ones granddaddy died for my right to vote or speak my mind, but a few great-grannies went through hell. So your current affairs and history are dramatically influenced by propaganda and whimsy. Great..
That was your right to vote not to freedom of speech.
That was granted in the overthrow of king James which gave you the bill of rights in 16 hundred and odd. And at the same time as giving you freedom of speech it took the right for Catholics to become king or serve in the military or hold positions in parliament.... Yeah white religious folk got picked on also!
No war has been fought over freedom of speech, but plenty of civil right movements, and the suffragettes were not limited to the vote - which is also a freedom of speech issue. No vote - no voice. Pretty simple. .
If there'd had no freedom of speech they wouldn't have been able to protest for a vote, stop being pedantic.
Right now Islam has a major problem with radicalising youngsters into hacking peoples heads off with penknifes and burning people alive in cages while filming it all for recruitment purposes..... Now last time I checked that's slightly worse than the odd crazed Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist but it's not saying that other religions don't have problems, just that at this minute it's the Islamic one that needs the most attention.
If they had freedom of speech why were they arrested for exercising it? Do you even history bro? Facts aren't pedantic, especially as someone actually tried to state that grandfathers dying in Normandy is why I can type here.
As to your stance on Muslims vs other religions, you think the pedophilia in the church is ok do you? Thousands of cases. How about Catholics stealing babies from unwed mothers in Spain and Ireland? You haven't been through any of that, so who are you to decide which is better or worse? They all deserve attention, but it's just Muslims at the moment because of oil. ". Of course it's fucking oil, it would be utterly stupid to think it's not influencing decisions. The fact is your entire life revolves around oil, you eat oil you drink oil, you drive oil, you wear oil, you communicate on oil... It's all encompassing and why anyone that knows anything has been saying for years why we need to get off it... Were like oil crack heads desperate for the next fix!. But that's not what makes young 15 year old girls run off to be jihadi brides or young Muslim men hack off duty soldiers heads of with meat cleavers or run into journalist meetings and execute them over cartoons!. If you can't recognise that Islam has more of a problem with radicals than other religions I suggest opening your eyes! | |||
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. yawn same old drivel made without anything else to say fact you call me ignorant and a bigot in itself is ignorant and bigoted isn't it
No, calling you a bigot doesn't mean the person who called you that is also a bigot. I love it when people who don't understand fairly basic words thing they have world solutions. And you don't, by the way. Every religion has fanatics who murder - but you singling out Muslims for extra special treatment is where the 'bigot' light is flashing. All religion is shit and vile, but your focus on one over all others is exactly why we have a segregation problem and why people become extremists - you demand things from 'moderate Muslims' without actually being very moderate yourself.
'All religion is vile and shit'. Some might think that statement a little bigoted, don't you think?
No. I'm in no way unreasonable about my dislike of religion. There's the crux..
Your more dangerous than a racist, your a denier!.
You deny there's any problems anywhere that might offend people, especially offending anyone that might make you look like a bad person.
Your the type of person who wouldn't have called Adolf evil in case it offended moustache wearer's.
Short answer - you're just an idiot. To address your 'points' what exactly am I denying? Specifically? I don't deny problems, I'm not here saying things are great. There is a huge problem with Muslims - but it doesn't eclipse the problems from abortion-bombing Christians, or genital-mutilating Jews, or disability-denying Buddhism. The problem is people like you overlook white Christianity and it's horrific pedophilia record because hating brown Muslims is easier. It gives you the excuse to be racist you want - there's even a 'solution' on here to tighten up immigration! What, so white home grown terrorists don't exist? Or they're ok? I'm happy to offend you or anyone, especially if you're really, really thick and racist. And I see nothing that disputes that. And fantastic bringing up hitler, that's a normal and reasonable point to make. I'm against all religion, and that means I like hitler? Put your crack pipe down you daft skank.
err where exactly did I put in my post about excluding people of Asian Arabic appearance at border control ??? I think you will find I didn't
As for you saying abortion bombing Christians and genitalia nutilating jews where is your proof to your statement it seems to me there is nothing to your words other than fantasy with a touch of anti semitsm in relation to your genitalia nutilating jews nonsense. you rant on about every other faith other than islam and its current problem with fundamental fanatics ...your not one of them by any chance are you cos you sure do come across that way. "I don't say anything anti-Semitic in a race way because I'm not racist. If you're criticising me for being anti-Semitic in a religious sense I find that ever so slightly hypocritical considering you created an anti-Muslim thread. Again, bigot. You get to criticise Muslims and hold them all accountable for the actions of a minority, but only you get to do it, and it can only be directed against Muslims. Do you even proof-read what you're saying? Where do I specifically mention Asian or Arabic people, at all? I don't, stop starting shit arguments to digress. I come a cross as a militant atheist because that's what I am. Clearly you're Christian, which explains your focus on Muslims, your ignorance on other religions and your silence on atrocities committed by white religion. I'm not pro-Muslim, I'm anti-religion, 100%, but I can't stand people who focus on one religion because the daily mail told them to. Especially the fundamentalist ukip fanatics. | |||
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"Did we do all this to Catholics during the IRA bombing campaign? Mind you, we never bombed Dublin either, so I've never understood why Israel always thinks that's an answer... Mr ddc" No you didn't bomb Dublin,thankfully but you did however surrender and hand over our country to the very men who planted the bombs that killed our families and loved ones,your politians metaphorically kicked everyone who died defending this nation for them square in the teeth while your queen shakes hands with the man who personally killed her own cousin..you want to know what radicalises peoples the world over,try looking at our own corrupt polices first before we start blaming others out there.. | |||
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. yawn same old drivel made without anything else to say fact you call me ignorant and a bigot in itself is ignorant and bigoted isn't it
No, calling you a bigot doesn't mean the person who called you that is also a bigot. I love it when people who don't understand fairly basic words thing they have world solutions. And you don't, by the way. Every religion has fanatics who murder - but you singling out Muslims for extra special treatment is where the 'bigot' light is flashing. All religion is shit and vile, but your focus on one over all others is exactly why we have a segregation problem and why people become extremists - you demand things from 'moderate Muslims' without actually being very moderate yourself.
'All religion is vile and shit'. Some might think that statement a little bigoted, don't you think?
No. I'm in no way unreasonable about my dislike of religion. There's the crux..
Your more dangerous than a racist, your a denier!.
You deny there's any problems anywhere that might offend people, especially offending anyone that might make you look like a bad person.
Your the type of person who wouldn't have called Adolf evil in case it offended moustache wearer's.
Short answer - you're just an idiot. To address your 'points' what exactly am I denying? Specifically? I don't deny problems, I'm not here saying things are great. There is a huge problem with Muslims - but it doesn't eclipse the problems from abortion-bombing Christians, or genital-mutilating Jews, or disability-denying Buddhism. The problem is people like you overlook white Christianity and it's horrific pedophilia record because hating brown Muslims is easier. It gives you the excuse to be racist you want - there's even a 'solution' on here to tighten up immigration! What, so white home grown terrorists don't exist? Or they're ok? I'm happy to offend you or anyone, especially if you're really, really thick and racist. And I see nothing that disputes that. And fantastic bringing up hitler, that's a normal and reasonable point to make. I'm against all religion, and that means I like hitler? Put your crack pipe down you daft skank."when you start personally attacking other users with vile names as you have done all your doing is showing a complete lack of understanding to others being allowed to express right to there own opinions. Now that really is a true definition of the words bigoted and ignorant ...don't ya think "BRO" | |||
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. yawn same old drivel made without anything else to say fact you call me ignorant and a bigot in itself is ignorant and bigoted isn't it
Well no it isn't.
The part of your posted is to paraphrase yourself 'drivel'. The muslim community regularly and vocally condemn atrocities and extremism but the media and the government prefer to focus on hate preachers. You are posting something that is factually incorrect with a healthy dose of bias and rhetoric. So tell me how is that not highlighting your own bigotry and intolerence?
Whilst agreeing with your main points I don't think calling people bigots and intolerant just because they don't see it the same way as you actually moves the discussion forward. In fact this rush to condemn anyone who criticises any aspect of multiculturalism as racist or bigoted, even when true, has totally stifled any proper debate on the subject for far too long.
The points you make about many moderate Muslim leaders condemning violence in the name of Islam are good and true and more than enough to counter Isaac's argument with out the added bit about intolerance and bigotry. Leave that to others to figure for themselves, which they will if it's true.
In relation to my post can you please pont out to me how my post equates to me being a racist or a bigot ....is it because I dared to state maybe tighter border controls?
If you care to actually read my post you will see that I am simply asking a question on how people thoughts on how to stop moderate muslms becoming fanatical ones. I simply gave my _iews and thoughts my opinions in the hope of hearing other peoples opinions
we still at present live in a country that to a degree allows free speech courtesy of my granddad and others granddads as well as other countries granddads who fought and died on the beeches of Normandy and the jungles of Burma so that not also us but those who live amongst but also wish to commit acts of atrocities against us may express ourselves freely.
I remember the news some muslim fanatics in Luton openly being allowed to call returning soildiers from Iraq war criminals and baby butcherers. and 1 old 2nd world war veteran facing them alone and saying to them it was people like me and my comrades that allow you to stand here and shout your insults at our brave boys by sacrificing ourselves so that freedom of speech may continue.
tell me how does it feel as its an alien feeling to me having the opinion that your opinion is never wrong and you are always right and your opinions are always far superior to anybody elses as to me I am incapable of coming with pretence.
Funnily enough, the wars were never about freedom of speech. It wasn't under threat, so that isn't why any bodies freedom of speech is sacred. For women like me, I owe my freedom of speech to movements like the Suffragettes. No-ones granddaddy died for my right to vote or speak my mind, but a few great-grannies went through hell. So your current affairs and history are dramatically influenced by propaganda and whimsy. Great..
That was your right to vote not to freedom of speech.
That was granted in the overthrow of king James which gave you the bill of rights in 16 hundred and odd. And at the same time as giving you freedom of speech it took the right for Catholics to become king or serve in the military or hold positions in parliament.... Yeah white religious folk got picked on also!
No war has been fought over freedom of speech, but plenty of civil right movements, and the suffragettes were not limited to the vote - which is also a freedom of speech issue. No vote - no voice. Pretty simple. .
If there'd had no freedom of speech they wouldn't have been able to protest for a vote, stop being pedantic.
Right now Islam has a major problem with radicalising youngsters into hacking peoples heads off with penknifes and burning people alive in cages while filming it all for recruitment purposes..... Now last time I checked that's slightly worse than the odd crazed Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist but it's not saying that other religions don't have problems, just that at this minute it's the Islamic one that needs the most attention.
If they had freedom of speech why were they arrested for exercising it? Do you even history bro? Facts aren't pedantic, especially as someone actually tried to state that grandfathers dying in Normandy is why I can type here.
As to your stance on Muslims vs other religions, you think the pedophilia in the church is ok do you? Thousands of cases. How about Catholics stealing babies from unwed mothers in Spain and Ireland? You haven't been through any of that, so who are you to decide which is better or worse? They all deserve attention, but it's just Muslims at the moment because of oil. .
Of course it's fucking oil, it would be utterly stupid to think it's not influencing decisions.
The fact is your entire life revolves around oil, you eat oil you drink oil, you drive oil, you wear oil, you communicate on oil... It's all encompassing and why anyone that knows anything has been saying for years why we need to get off it... Were like oil crack heads desperate for the next fix!.
But that's not what makes young 15 year old girls run off to be jihadi brides or young Muslim men hack off duty soldiers heads of with meat cleavers or run into journalist meetings and execute them over cartoons!.
If you can't recognise that Islam has more of a problem with radicals than other religions I suggest opening your eyes!"I don't recognise that Muslims have more of a problem with radicals because I don't wallow in propaganda. You agree with the oil sentiment but fail to follow it through to it's logical conclusion - that in order to get public support to invade a country for it's natural resources you have to characature the people in that country as evil and subhuman. You focus on promoting that message and unsurprisingly the moderates resent that. You want to stop the radicalisation of moderate Muslims? Stop focusing on their religion as the One True Source of all evil, because it's no different from the others. They all have their disgusting sides, they all have their moderates, they are all producing and condemning extremists. | |||
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Your memory must be different to mine.
I'm pretty sure there was a democratic solution in Northern Ireland....
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. yawn same old drivel made without anything else to say fact you call me ignorant and a bigot in itself is ignorant and bigoted isn't it
No, calling you a bigot doesn't mean the person who called you that is also a bigot. I love it when people who don't understand fairly basic words thing they have world solutions. And you don't, by the way. Every religion has fanatics who murder - but you singling out Muslims for extra special treatment is where the 'bigot' light is flashing. All religion is shit and vile, but your focus on one over all others is exactly why we have a segregation problem and why people become extremists - you demand things from 'moderate Muslims' without actually being very moderate yourself.
'All religion is vile and shit'. Some might think that statement a little bigoted, don't you think?
No. I'm in no way unreasonable about my dislike of religion. There's the crux..
Your more dangerous than a racist, your a denier!.
You deny there's any problems anywhere that might offend people, especially offending anyone that might make you look like a bad person.
Your the type of person who wouldn't have called Adolf evil in case it offended moustache wearer's.
Short answer - you're just an idiot. To address your 'points' what exactly am I denying? Specifically? I don't deny problems, I'm not here saying things are great. There is a huge problem with Muslims - but it doesn't eclipse the problems from abortion-bombing Christians, or genital-mutilating Jews, or disability-denying Buddhism. The problem is people like you overlook white Christianity and it's horrific pedophilia record because hating brown Muslims is easier. It gives you the excuse to be racist you want - there's even a 'solution' on here to tighten up immigration! What, so white home grown terrorists don't exist? Or they're ok? I'm happy to offend you or anyone, especially if you're really, really thick and racist. And I see nothing that disputes that. And fantastic bringing up hitler, that's a normal and reasonable point to make. I'm against all religion, and that means I like hitler? Put your crack pipe down you daft skank.
when you start personally attacking other users with vile names as you have done all your doing is showing a complete lack of understanding to others being allowed to express right to there own opinions. Now that really is a true definition of the words bigoted and ignorant ...don't ya think "BRO""Cool story bro, needs more dragons n shit. No, I'm just exercising my right to freedom of speech. If it can be used to start a thread on why Muslims are the only dangerous religion, then I can use it to call people skanky idiots when they imply I'm pro-hitler. Jeeeeeesus, it's not that hard. If you can type essays of bullshit, you can't have a go at other people for typing stuff you don't like. | |||
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"ar fuck it what was I thinking that maybe there could be a sensible debate about this subject seems the majority only wanna hijack it for there own bullshit misguided ignorant bigoted agendas....c if I can find a mod to get it closed down My apologies for staring the thread I dint expect it to be hijacked by a bunch of fucking knuckle heads " You wanted a sensible debate -but you thought the solution to extremist Muslims was border control :') seriously, go back to the OP, it's just vile. Worst thing on the forum I've ever read. | |||
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Your memory must be different to mine.
I'm pretty sure there was a democratic solution in Northern Ireland....
You want to try living here and burying your family and friends round you while those personally responsible sip tea with your queen,you might have a different opinion but by your standards I'm assuming you'd be happy to have this so called jihadi john as your deputy PM if they promise to behave.."I get where your coming from I blame tony blair for allowing the murderers free get oot of jail cards in the good Friday agreement for his own vain personal agenda at the time that by bringing peace to Ireland he might get himself the nobel peace prize ....he has a lot to answer for does that cunt | |||
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Your memory must be different to mine.
I'm pretty sure there was a democratic solution in Northern Ireland....
yes yr quite right the democratic solution came after the ira had bombed there way to the political negotiating table ...btw ime of irish catholic descent meself ,,,me mothers side
How would you personally have felt if during the Irish troubles, given that you've done nothing wrong at all, your were stopped at the border and sent back? Or detained without charge or trial?
By the way did you mean Ahmed, Ali or Amir instead of Tom dick or harry?"Actually you did lock folks up here in internment camps without charge or trial between 1971 and 1975 | |||
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. yawn same old drivel made without anything else to say fact you call me ignorant and a bigot in itself is ignorant and bigoted isn't it
Well no it isn't.
The part of your posted is to paraphrase yourself 'drivel'. The muslim community regularly and vocally condemn atrocities and extremism but the media and the government prefer to focus on hate preachers. You are posting something that is factually incorrect with a healthy dose of bias and rhetoric. So tell me how is that not highlighting your own bigotry and intolerence?
Whilst agreeing with your main points I don't think calling people bigots and intolerant just because they don't see it the same way as you actually moves the discussion forward. In fact this rush to condemn anyone who criticises any aspect of multiculturalism as racist or bigoted, even when true, has totally stifled any proper debate on the subject for far too long.
The points you make about many moderate Muslim leaders condemning violence in the name of Islam are good and true and more than enough to counter Isaac's argument with out the added bit about intolerance and bigotry. Leave that to others to figure for themselves, which they will if it's true.
In relation to my post can you please pont out to me how my post equates to me being a racist or a bigot ....is it because I dared to state maybe tighter border controls?
If you care to actually read my post you will see that I am simply asking a question on how people thoughts on how to stop moderate muslms becoming fanatical ones. I simply gave my _iews and thoughts my opinions in the hope of hearing other peoples opinions
we still at present live in a country that to a degree allows free speech courtesy of my granddad and others granddads as well as other countries granddads who fought and died on the beeches of Normandy and the jungles of Burma so that not also us but those who live amongst but also wish to commit acts of atrocities against us may express ourselves freely.
I remember the news some muslim fanatics in Luton openly being allowed to call returning soildiers from Iraq war criminals and baby butcherers. and 1 old 2nd world war veteran facing them alone and saying to them it was people like me and my comrades that allow you to stand here and shout your insults at our brave boys by sacrificing ourselves so that freedom of speech may continue.
tell me how does it feel as its an alien feeling to me having the opinion that your opinion is never wrong and you are always right and your opinions are always far superior to anybody elses as to me I am incapable of coming with pretence.
Funnily enough, the wars were never about freedom of speech. It wasn't under threat, so that isn't why any bodies freedom of speech is sacred. For women like me, I owe my freedom of speech to movements like the Suffragettes. No-ones granddaddy died for my right to vote or speak my mind, but a few great-grannies went through hell. So your current affairs and history are dramatically influenced by propaganda and whimsy. Great..
That was your right to vote not to freedom of speech.
That was granted in the overthrow of king James which gave you the bill of rights in 16 hundred and odd. And at the same time as giving you freedom of speech it took the right for Catholics to become king or serve in the military or hold positions in parliament.... Yeah white religious folk got picked on also!
No war has been fought over freedom of speech, but plenty of civil right movements, and the suffragettes were not limited to the vote - which is also a freedom of speech issue. No vote - no voice. Pretty simple. .
If there'd had no freedom of speech they wouldn't have been able to protest for a vote, stop being pedantic.
Right now Islam has a major problem with radicalising youngsters into hacking peoples heads off with penknifes and burning people alive in cages while filming it all for recruitment purposes..... Now last time I checked that's slightly worse than the odd crazed Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist but it's not saying that other religions don't have problems, just that at this minute it's the Islamic one that needs the most attention.
If they had freedom of speech why were they arrested for exercising it? Do you even history bro? Facts aren't pedantic, especially as someone actually tried to state that grandfathers dying in Normandy is why I can type here.
As to your stance on Muslims vs other religions, you think the pedophilia in the church is ok do you? Thousands of cases. How about Catholics stealing babies from unwed mothers in Spain and Ireland? You haven't been through any of that, so who are you to decide which is better or worse? They all deserve attention, but it's just Muslims at the moment because of oil. .
Of course it's fucking oil, it would be utterly stupid to think it's not influencing decisions.
The fact is your entire life revolves around oil, you eat oil you drink oil, you drive oil, you wear oil, you communicate on oil... It's all encompassing and why anyone that knows anything has been saying for years why we need to get off it... Were like oil crack heads desperate for the next fix!.
But that's not what makes young 15 year old girls run off to be jihadi brides or young Muslim men hack off duty soldiers heads of with meat cleavers or run into journalist meetings and execute them over cartoons!.
If you can't recognise that Islam has more of a problem with radicals than other religions I suggest opening your eyes!
I don't recognise that Muslims have more of a problem with radicals because I don't wallow in propaganda. You agree with the oil sentiment but fail to follow it through to it's logical conclusion - that in order to get public support to invade a country for it's natural resources you have to characature the people in that country as evil and subhuman. You focus on promoting that message and unsurprisingly the moderates resent that. You want to stop the radicalisation of moderate Muslims? Stop focusing on their religion as the One True Source of all evil, because it's no different from the others. They all have their disgusting sides, they all have their moderates, they are all producing and condemning extremists. ". No their fucking not.... There's no radical church of England fundamentalists out there hacking Muslims heads off... Your just wrong. The west don't need to radicalise Muslims,Muslims are radicalising Muslims!. Any and all strict religions have problems with radicalism, it's the nature of the beast and why you don't find radical CofE groups because they only turn up at xmas to sing a few fucking hymns... It's hard to radicalise someone with those religious beliefs. | |||
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Did they?
Your memory must be different to mine.
I'm pretty sure there was a democratic solution in Northern Ireland....
You want to try living here and burying your family and friends round you while those personally responsible sip tea with your queen,you might have a different opinion but by your standards I'm assuming you'd be happy to have this so called jihadi john as your deputy PM if they promise to behave..
I get where your coming from I blame tony blair for allowing the murderers free get oot of jail cards in the good Friday agreement for his own vain personal agenda at the time that by bringing peace to Ireland he might get himself the nobel peace prize ....he has a lot to answer for does that cunt "You blame tony Blair... But if you look at the OP, you're holding all moderate Muslims responsible. So why aren't you asking moderate Christianity to condemn and stop the violence in Ireland? Why aren't you suggesting a border control that treats all the Irish as terrorists and keep them all out? Not a policy I agree with, before you try to twist it. | |||
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. yawn same old drivel made without anything else to say fact you call me ignorant and a bigot in itself is ignorant and bigoted isn't it
Well no it isn't.
The part of your posted is to paraphrase yourself 'drivel'. The muslim community regularly and vocally condemn atrocities and extremism but the media and the government prefer to focus on hate preachers. You are posting something that is factually incorrect with a healthy dose of bias and rhetoric. So tell me how is that not highlighting your own bigotry and intolerence?
Whilst agreeing with your main points I don't think calling people bigots and intolerant just because they don't see it the same way as you actually moves the discussion forward. In fact this rush to condemn anyone who criticises any aspect of multiculturalism as racist or bigoted, even when true, has totally stifled any proper debate on the subject for far too long.
The points you make about many moderate Muslim leaders condemning violence in the name of Islam are good and true and more than enough to counter Isaac's argument with out the added bit about intolerance and bigotry. Leave that to others to figure for themselves, which they will if it's true."I'm sorry but I think any post that uses false information, argued as fact to condemn a religion of tends of millions because of the actions of 1000s is both bigoted and ignorant.How else would you describe it? | |||
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how have I insulted anybody on the contrary its you that goes about branding people bigots and ignorant simply because there opinion isn't the same as yrs why don't ys go cross the Syrian border ime sure yd feel right at home "Are you really suggesting that my _iews make me pro IS? | |||
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"1/ Demand more from our moderate Muslim leaders in the west. It would be nice if the moderate muslims could sort out there own fanatics but so far they do nothing ok a few muslim leaders in the west might publically throw out a few condemnations but well there operating in non muslim countries so they have to be seen to be making the odd chirps. All this does is highlight your own ignorance and bigotted _iews. yawn same old drivel made without anything else to say fact you call me ignorant and a bigot in itself is ignorant and bigoted isn't it
Well no it isn't.
The part of your posted is to paraphrase yourself 'drivel'. The muslim community regularly and vocally condemn atrocities and extremism but the media and the government prefer to focus on hate preachers. You are posting something that is factually incorrect with a healthy dose of bias and rhetoric. So tell me how is that not highlighting your own bigotry and intolerence?
Whilst agreeing with your main points I don't think calling people bigots and intolerant just because they don't see it the same way as you actually moves the discussion forward. In fact this rush to condemn anyone who criticises any aspect of multiculturalism as racist or bigoted, even when true, has totally stifled any proper debate on the subject for far too long.
The points you make about many moderate Muslim leaders condemning violence in the name of Islam are good and true and more than enough to counter Isaac's argument with out the added bit about intolerance and bigotry. Leave that to others to figure for themselves, which they will if it's true.
In relation to my post can you please pont out to me how my post equates to me being a racist or a bigot ....is it because I dared to state maybe tighter border controls?
If you care to actually read my post you will see that I am simply asking a question on how people thoughts on how to stop moderate muslms becoming fanatical ones. I simply gave my _iews and thoughts my opinions in the hope of hearing other peoples opinions
we still at present live in a country that to a degree allows free speech courtesy of my granddad and others granddads as well as other countries granddads who fought and died on the beeches of Normandy and the jungles of Burma so that not also us but those who live amongst but also wish to commit acts of atrocities against us may express ourselves freely.
I remember the news some muslim fanatics in Luton openly being allowed to call returning soildiers from Iraq war criminals and baby butcherers. and 1 old 2nd world war veteran facing them alone and saying to them it was people like me and my comrades that allow you to stand here and shout your insults at our brave boys by sacrificing ourselves so that freedom of speech may continue.
tell me how does it feel as its an alien feeling to me having the opinion that your opinion is never wrong and you are always right and your opinions are always far superior to anybody elses as to me I am incapable of coming with pretence.
Funnily enough, the wars were never about freedom of speech. It wasn't under threat, so that isn't why any bodies freedom of speech is sacred. For women like me, I owe my freedom of speech to movements like the Suffragettes. No-ones granddaddy died for my right to vote or speak my mind, but a few great-grannies went through hell. So your current affairs and history are dramatically influenced by propaganda and whimsy. Great..
That was your right to vote not to freedom of speech.
That was granted in the overthrow of king James which gave you the bill of rights in 16 hundred and odd. And at the same time as giving you freedom of speech it took the right for Catholics to become king or serve in the military or hold positions in parliament.... Yeah white religious folk got picked on also!
No war has been fought over freedom of speech, but plenty of civil right movements, and the suffragettes were not limited to the vote - which is also a freedom of speech issue. No vote - no voice. Pretty simple. .
If there'd had no freedom of speech they wouldn't have been able to protest for a vote, stop being pedantic.
Right now Islam has a major problem with radicalising youngsters into hacking peoples heads off with penknifes and burning people alive in cages while filming it all for recruitment purposes..... Now last time I checked that's slightly worse than the odd crazed Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist but it's not saying that other religions don't have problems, just that at this minute it's the Islamic one that needs the most attention.
If they had freedom of speech why were they arrested for exercising it? Do you even history bro? Facts aren't pedantic, especially as someone actually tried to state that grandfathers dying in Normandy is why I can type here.
As to your stance on Muslims vs other religions, you think the pedophilia in the church is ok do you? Thousands of cases. How about Catholics stealing babies from unwed mothers in Spain and Ireland? You haven't been through any of that, so who are you to decide which is better or worse? They all deserve attention, but it's just Muslims at the moment because of oil. .
Of course it's fucking oil, it would be utterly stupid to think it's not influencing decisions.
The fact is your entire life revolves around oil, you eat oil you drink oil, you drive oil, you wear oil, you communicate on oil... It's all encompassing and why anyone that knows anything has been saying for years why we need to get off it... Were like oil crack heads desperate for the next fix!.
But that's not what makes young 15 year old girls run off to be jihadi brides or young Muslim men hack off duty soldiers heads of with meat cleavers or run into journalist meetings and execute them over cartoons!.
If you can't recognise that Islam has more of a problem with radicals than other religions I suggest opening your eyes!
I don't recognise that Muslims have more of a problem with radicals because I don't wallow in propaganda. You agree with the oil sentiment but fail to follow it through to it's logical conclusion - that in order to get public support to invade a country for it's natural resources you have to characature the people in that country as evil and subhuman. You focus on promoting that message and unsurprisingly the moderates resent that. You want to stop the radicalisation of moderate Muslims? Stop focusing on their religion as the One True Source of all evil, because it's no different from the others. They all have their disgusting sides, they all have their moderates, they are all producing and condemning extremists. .
No their fucking not.... There's no radical church of England fundamentalists out there hacking Muslims heads off... Your just wrong.
The west don't need to radicalise Muslims,Muslims are radicalising Muslims!.
Any and all strict religions have problems with radicalism, it's the nature of the beast and why you don't find radical CofE groups because they only turn up at xmas to sing a few fucking hymns... It's hard to radicalise someone with those religious beliefs."You're completely blinkered, aren't you? You have been told of the crimes committed by religions like Christianity, but if you choose to not read about protected pedophile priests or baby snatching in multiple countries then there's no point talking to you at all, other than to say your anti-Islamic stance is built from racism rather than morality. | |||
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Your memory must be different to mine.
I'm pretty sure there was a democratic solution in Northern Ireland....
You want to try living here and burying your family and friends round you while those personally responsible sip tea with your queen,you might have a different opinion but by your standards I'm assuming you'd be happy to have this so called jihadi john as your deputy PM if they promise to behave..
I get where your coming from I blame tony blair for allowing the murderers free get oot of jail cards in the good Friday agreement for his own vain personal agenda at the time that by bringing peace to Ireland he might get himself the nobel peace prize ....he has a lot to answer for does that cunt
You blame tony Blair... But if you look at the OP, you're holding all moderate Muslims responsible. So why aren't you asking moderate Christianity to condemn and stop the violence in Ireland? Why aren't you suggesting a border control that treats all the Irish as terrorists and keep them all out? Not a policy I agree with, before you try to twist it."cos my post is about _iews on stopping moderate muslims becoming fanatical ones and not on the troubles and conflicts of northern Ireland its a bit rich calling me a racist for simply mentioning tighter border controls ..many other countries have much stricter border controls than the uk ...such as Germany Australia new Zealand ...so are all those nations racist to simply cos they have tougher border controls?? As for you hijacking the thread for your own agenda ie the troubles and conflicts within Ireland but just a thought ...why not go make your own post on the subject! | |||
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Did they?
Your memory must be different to mine.
I'm pretty sure there was a democratic solution in Northern Ireland....
You want to try living here and burying your family and friends round you while those personally responsible sip tea with your queen,you might have a different opinion but by your standards I'm assuming you'd be happy to have this so called jihadi john as your deputy PM if they promise to behave..
I get where your coming from I blame tony blair for allowing the murderers free get oot of jail cards in the good Friday agreement for his own vain personal agenda at the time that by bringing peace to Ireland he might get himself the nobel peace prize ....he has a lot to answer for does that cunt
You blame tony Blair... But if you look at the OP, you're holding all moderate Muslims responsible. So why aren't you asking moderate Christianity to condemn and stop the violence in Ireland? Why aren't you suggesting a border control that treats all the Irish as terrorists and keep them all out? Not a policy I agree with, before you try to twist it.
cos my post is about _iews on stopping moderate muslims becoming fanatical ones and not on the troubles and conflicts of northern Ireland its a bit rich calling me a racist for simply mentioning tighter border controls ..many other countries have much stricter border controls than the uk ...such as Germany Australia new Zealand ...so are all those nations racist to simply cos they have tougher border controls??
As for you hijacking the thread for your own agenda ie the troubles and conflicts within Ireland but just a thought ...why not go make your own post on the subject!"Okay lets discuss your opening post: 1. Already happening, you just chose not to acknowledge it 2. Why only Islamic schools? Personally I think all schools should be secular - is this not better than banning one religion? 3. How will tighter border controls change anything? How are our border controls 'non-existent' Our borders are most definitely not 'open' Are you suggesting that they should be closed? If so to who? Eveeryone? 4. What right do we have to tell any country how to educate their children? 5. What right do we have to influence American Government' policies? Would 2 and 4 not be wholy counter-productive and only fuel extremism? | |||
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Did they?
Your memory must be different to mine.
I'm pretty sure there was a democratic solution in Northern Ireland....
You want to try living here and burying your family and friends round you while those personally responsible sip tea with your queen,you might have a different opinion but by your standards I'm assuming you'd be happy to have this so called jihadi john as your deputy PM if they promise to behave..
I get where your coming from I blame tony blair for allowing the murderers free get oot of jail cards in the good Friday agreement for his own vain personal agenda at the time that by bringing peace to Ireland he might get himself the nobel peace prize ....he has a lot to answer for does that cunt
You blame tony Blair... But if you look at the OP, you're holding all moderate Muslims responsible. So why aren't you asking moderate Christianity to condemn and stop the violence in Ireland? Why aren't you suggesting a border control that treats all the Irish as terrorists and keep them all out? Not a policy I agree with, before you try to twist it.
cos my post is about _iews on stopping moderate muslims becoming fanatical ones and not on the troubles and conflicts of northern Ireland its a bit rich calling me a racist for simply mentioning tighter border controls ..many other countries have much stricter border controls than the uk ...such as Germany Australia new Zealand ...so are all those nations racist to simply cos they have tougher border controls??
As for you hijacking the thread for your own agenda ie the troubles and conflicts within Ireland but just a thought ...why not go make your own post on the subject!"But your great great granddaddy died in Normandy for me to have my freedom of speech - here you are telling me I'm not entitled to disagree with you! Am I not allowed to disagree with you? You're racist because you want stricter border controls to stop Muslims - but Islam is a religion, not a race. Border controls just stop foreigners - it does nothing to prevent home-grown, white terrorists who convert to extremism, which has already happened. (Which is why multiple people are bringing up the IRA, who sure have killed more British than muslms over here) The assumption that terrorist are foreign, not white and disillusioned. As to other countries border policies - that's completely irrelevant. | |||
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Did they?
Your memory must be different to mine.
I'm pretty sure there was a democratic solution in Northern Ireland....
You want to try living here and burying your family and friends round you while those personally responsible sip tea with your queen,you might have a different opinion but by your standards I'm assuming you'd be happy to have this so called jihadi john as your deputy PM if they promise to behave..
I get where your coming from I blame tony blair for allowing the murderers free get oot of jail cards in the good Friday agreement for his own vain personal agenda at the time that by bringing peace to Ireland he might get himself the nobel peace prize ....he has a lot to answer for does that cunt
You blame tony Blair... But if you look at the OP, you're holding all moderate Muslims responsible. So why aren't you asking moderate Christianity to condemn and stop the violence in Ireland? Why aren't you suggesting a border control that treats all the Irish as terrorists and keep them all out? Not a policy I agree with, before you try to twist it.
cos my post is about _iews on stopping moderate muslims becoming fanatical ones and not on the troubles and conflicts of northern Ireland its a bit rich calling me a racist for simply mentioning tighter border controls ..many other countries have much stricter border controls than the uk ...such as Germany Australia new Zealand ...so are all those nations racist to simply cos they have tougher border controls??
As for you hijacking the thread for your own agenda ie the troubles and conflicts within Ireland but just a thought ...why not go make your own post on the subject!
Okay lets discuss your opening post:
1. Already happening, you just chose not to acknowledge it
2. Why only Islamic schools? Personally I think all schools should be secular - is this not better than banning one religion?
3. How will tighter border controls change anything? How are our border controls 'non-existent' Our borders are most definitely not 'open' Are you suggesting that they should be closed? If so to who? Eveeryone?
4. What right do we have to tell any country how to educate their children?
5. What right do we have to influence American Government' policies?
Would 2 and 4 not be wholy counter-productive and only fuel extremism?"yeah I agree all schools should be secular I never said they shouldn't did I. borfer control ime an ex professional time setved armed robber got an arseole the width of the Mersey tunnel every time I flashed me passport but I aint bitching bout the indignity of possible stricter border control think its reasonable to say if anybody got a gripe bout more stringent border controls I have | |||
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Did they?
Your memory must be different to mine.
I'm pretty sure there was a democratic solution in Northern Ireland....
You want to try living here and burying your family and friends round you while those personally responsible sip tea with your queen,you might have a different opinion but by your standards I'm assuming you'd be happy to have this so called jihadi john as your deputy PM if they promise to behave..
I get where your coming from I blame tony blair for allowing the murderers free get oot of jail cards in the good Friday agreement for his own vain personal agenda at the time that by bringing peace to Ireland he might get himself the nobel peace prize ....he has a lot to answer for does that cunt
You blame tony Blair... But if you look at the OP, you're holding all moderate Muslims responsible. So why aren't you asking moderate Christianity to condemn and stop the violence in Ireland? Why aren't you suggesting a border control that treats all the Irish as terrorists and keep them all out? Not a policy I agree with, before you try to twist it.
cos my post is about _iews on stopping moderate muslims becoming fanatical ones and not on the troubles and conflicts of northern Ireland its a bit rich calling me a racist for simply mentioning tighter border controls ..many other countries have much stricter border controls than the uk ...such as Germany Australia new Zealand ...so are all those nations racist to simply cos they have tougher border controls??
As for you hijacking the thread for your own agenda ie the troubles and conflicts within Ireland but just a thought ...why not go make your own post on the subject!
Okay lets discuss your opening post:
1. Already happening, you just chose not to acknowledge it
2. Why only Islamic schools? Personally I think all schools should be secular - is this not better than banning one religion?
3. How will tighter border controls change anything? How are our border controls 'non-existent' Our borders are most definitely not 'open' Are you suggesting that they should be closed? If so to who? Eveeryone?
4. What right do we have to tell any country how to educate their children?
5. What right do we have to influence American Government' policies?
Would 2 and 4 not be wholy counter-productive and only fuel extremism?
yeah I agree all schools should be secular I never said they shouldn't did I.
borfer control ime an ex professional time setved armed robber got an arseole the width of the Mersey tunnel every time I flashed me passport but I aint bitching bout the indignity of possible stricter border control think its reasonable to say if anybody got a gripe bout more stringent border controls I have "Pardon? | |||
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Did they?
Your memory must be different to mine.
I'm pretty sure there was a democratic solution in Northern Ireland....
You want to try living here and burying your family and friends round you while those personally responsible sip tea with your queen,you might have a different opinion but by your standards I'm assuming you'd be happy to have this so called jihadi john as your deputy PM if they promise to behave..
I get where your coming from I blame tony blair for allowing the murderers free get oot of jail cards in the good Friday agreement for his own vain personal agenda at the time that by bringing peace to Ireland he might get himself the nobel peace prize ....he has a lot to answer for does that cunt
You blame tony Blair... But if you look at the OP, you're holding all moderate Muslims responsible. So why aren't you asking moderate Christianity to condemn and stop the violence in Ireland? Why aren't you suggesting a border control that treats all the Irish as terrorists and keep them all out? Not a policy I agree with, before you try to twist it.
cos my post is about _iews on stopping moderate muslims becoming fanatical ones and not on the troubles and conflicts of northern Ireland its a bit rich calling me a racist for simply mentioning tighter border controls ..many other countries have much stricter border controls than the uk ...such as Germany Australia new Zealand ...so are all those nations racist to simply cos they have tougher border controls??
As for you hijacking the thread for your own agenda ie the troubles and conflicts within Ireland but just a thought ...why not go make your own post on the subject!
Okay lets discuss your opening post:
1. Already happening, you just chose not to acknowledge it
2. Why only Islamic schools? Personally I think all schools should be secular - is this not better than banning one religion?
3. How will tighter border controls change anything? How are our border controls 'non-existent' Our borders are most definitely not 'open' Are you suggesting that they should be closed? If so to who? Eveeryone?
4. What right do we have to tell any country how to educate their children?
5. What right do we have to influence American Government' policies?
Would 2 and 4 not be wholy counter-productive and only fuel extremism?
yeah I agree all schools should be secular I never said they shouldn't did I.
borfer control ime an ex professional time setved armed robber got an arseole the width of the Mersey tunnel every time I flashed me passport but I aint bitching bout the indignity of possible stricter border control think its reasonable to say if anybody got a gripe bout more stringent border controls I have "But you don't make the point that schools should be secular, you just make the point of eradicating Muslim schools. You either made the exact point you wanted to make, or your communication skills are terrible. An armed robber. What a delightful person, I'm so glad you aren't actually in a position to make policies. Loving the idea that an armed robber is morally superior to every Muslim ever. | |||
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Did they?
Your memory must be different to mine.
I'm pretty sure there was a democratic solution in Northern Ireland....
You want to try living here and burying your family and friends round you while those personally responsible sip tea with your queen,you might have a different opinion but by your standards I'm assuming you'd be happy to have this so called jihadi john as your deputy PM if they promise to behave..
I get where your coming from I blame tony blair for allowing the murderers free get oot of jail cards in the good Friday agreement for his own vain personal agenda at the time that by bringing peace to Ireland he might get himself the nobel peace prize ....he has a lot to answer for does that cunt
You blame tony Blair... But if you look at the OP, you're holding all moderate Muslims responsible. So why aren't you asking moderate Christianity to condemn and stop the violence in Ireland? Why aren't you suggesting a border control that treats all the Irish as terrorists and keep them all out? Not a policy I agree with, before you try to twist it.
cos my post is about _iews on stopping moderate muslims becoming fanatical ones and not on the troubles and conflicts of northern Ireland its a bit rich calling me a racist for simply mentioning tighter border controls ..many other countries have much stricter border controls than the uk ...such as Germany Australia new Zealand ...so are all those nations racist to simply cos they have tougher border controls??
As for you hijacking the thread for your own agenda ie the troubles and conflicts within Ireland but just a thought ...why not go make your own post on the subject!
Okay lets discuss your opening post:
1. Already happening, you just chose not to acknowledge it
2. Why only Islamic schools? Personally I think all schools should be secular - is this not better than banning one religion?
3. How will tighter border controls change anything? How are our border controls 'non-existent' Our borders are most definitely not 'open' Are you suggesting that they should be closed? If so to who? Eveeryone?
4. What right do we have to tell any country how to educate their children?
5. What right do we have to influence American Government' policies?
Would 2 and 4 not be wholy counter-productive and only fuel extremism?
yeah I agree all schools should be secular I never said they shouldn't did I.
borfer control ime an ex professional time setved armed robber got an arseole the width of the Mersey tunnel every time I flashed me passport but I aint bitching bout the indignity of possible stricter border control think its reasonable to say if anybody got a gripe bout more stringent border controls I have
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" borfer control ime an ex professional time setved armed robber got an arseole the width of the Mersey tunnel every time I flashed me passport but I aint bitching bout the indignity of possible stricter border control think its reasonable to say if anybody got a gripe bout more stringent border controls I have
Firstly is that supposed to impress people? That you are a violent criminal?
And border controls should be stricter for people like you. YOU have been convicted of violent crimes. They should not be stricter to persecute a race or religion"just joking to make a point which is some are just so easy to believe anything there spoon fed. without bothering to find any facts or evidence ,,,,,, think I might go traet me self to a derrrr dime bar | |||
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"We fucking interned them without trial and closed the borders down and stopped them traveling. In fact we treated them much worse than British Muslims even though the only difference being they were radicalised catholic British citizens not radicalised Muslim British citizens." Actually that is not only a fair point but also a brilliant reason not to go down the same road with Predominantly Muslim countries because it was shit. But I don't think we treat Muslims better - British Muslims have everything thrown at them, while foreign Muslims are subjected to bombs while we level their countries and steal their natural resources, while simultaneously being the reason extremism grows. | |||
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" borfer control ime an ex professional time setved armed robber got an arseole the width of the Mersey tunnel every time I flashed me passport but I aint bitching bout the indignity of possible stricter border control think its reasonable to say if anybody got a gripe bout more stringent border controls I have
Firstly is that supposed to impress people? That you are a violent criminal?
And border controls should be stricter for people like you. YOU have been convicted of violent crimes. They should not be stricter to persecute a race or religion
just joking to make a point which is some are just so easy to believe anything there spoon fed. without bothering to find any facts or evidence ,,,,,, think I might go traet me self to a derrrr dime bar "You're the one stating you are an armed robber as fact, not us. Backfired, did it? | |||
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Firstly is that supposed to impress people? That you are a violent criminal?
And border controls should be stricter for people like you. YOU have been convicted of violent crimes. They should not be stricter to persecute a race or religion
just joking to make a point which is some are just so easy to believe anything there spoon fed. without bothering to find any facts or evidence ,,,,,, think I might go traet me self to a derrrr dime bar "You said earlier to the thread that you got turned away from America. That fits with your claim? Or are you admitting that you deliberately post inflammattory and provocative claims to provoke a response? | |||
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" borfer control ime an ex professional time setved armed robber got an arseole the width of the Mersey tunnel every time I flashed me passport but I aint bitching bout the indignity of possible stricter border control think its reasonable to say if anybody got a gripe bout more stringent border controls I have
Firstly is that supposed to impress people? That you are a violent criminal?
And border controls should be stricter for people like you. YOU have been convicted of violent crimes. They should not be stricter to persecute a race or religion
just joking to make a point which is some are just so easy to believe anything there spoon fed. without bothering to find any facts or evidence ,,,,,, think I might go traet me self to a derrrr dime bar
You're the one stating you are an armed robber as fact, not us. Backfired, did it?"nope don't think it did I do find it difficult to take seriously though grown man making devil horn and chatting complete utter shite so ive just given up ,,as the saying goes when in ROME an all that ile leave ys to it ....feel free to discuss | |||
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" borfer control ime an ex professional time setved armed robber got an arseole the width of the Mersey tunnel every time I flashed me passport but I aint bitching bout the indignity of possible stricter border control think its reasonable to say if anybody got a gripe bout more stringent border controls I have
Firstly is that supposed to impress people? That you are a violent criminal?
And border controls should be stricter for people like you. YOU have been convicted of violent crimes. They should not be stricter to persecute a race or religion
just joking to make a point which is some are just so easy to believe anything there spoon fed. without bothering to find any facts or evidence ,,,,,, think I might go traet me self to a derrrr dime bar
You're the one stating you are an armed robber as fact, not us. Backfired, did it?
nope don't think it did I do find it difficult to take seriously though grown man making devil horn and chatting complete utter shite so ive just given up ,,as the saying goes when in ROME an all that ile leave ys to it ....feel free to discuss "Again I refer to the irony of this claim. Plenty of serious posts challenging your _iewpoint that you are ignoring | |||
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Firstly is that supposed to impress people? That you are a violent criminal?
And border controls should be stricter for people like you. YOU have been convicted of violent crimes. They should not be stricter to persecute a race or religion
just joking to make a point which is some are just so easy to believe anything there spoon fed. without bothering to find any facts or evidence ,,,,,, think I might go traet me self to a derrrr dime bar
You're the one stating you are an armed robber as fact, not us. Backfired, did it?
nope don't think it did I do find it difficult to take seriously though grown man making devil horn and chatting complete utter shite so ive just given up ,,as the saying goes when in ROME an all that ile leave ys to it ....feel free to discuss "Actually you're talking to the pierced female. Feel free to like the pics you're wanking over and funnily enough nothing about you made me curious enough to look at your profile. Awwwww! More backfiring! Fab is for sex, not for racists, you'll get more action if you don't portray yourself as an under educated gun-toting racist. | |||
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Firstly is that supposed to impress people? That you are a violent criminal?
And border controls should be stricter for people like you. YOU have been convicted of violent crimes. They should not be stricter to persecute a race or religion
just joking to make a point which is some are just so easy to believe anything there spoon fed. without bothering to find any facts or evidence ,,,,,, think I might go traet me self to a derrrr dime bar
You're the one stating you are an armed robber as fact, not us. Backfired, did it?
nope don't think it did I do find it difficult to take seriously though grown man making devil horn and chatting complete utter shite so ive just given up ,,as the saying goes when in ROME an all that ile leave ys to it ....feel free to discuss
Again I refer to the irony of this claim. Plenty of serious posts challenging your _iewpoint that you are ignoring"serious posts well I don't see any from you other than you branduing me a bigot and a racist and simply a personal desire to attack me rather than the post for simply daring to suggest stricter border controls think I noticed earlier you branding anybody contemplating voting for ukip as a bigot and a racist too ...so enough said really...don't you think | |||
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Firstly is that supposed to impress people? That you are a violent criminal?
And border controls should be stricter for people like you. YOU have been convicted of violent crimes. They should not be stricter to persecute a race or religion
just joking to make a point which is some are just so easy to believe anything there spoon fed. without bothering to find any facts or evidence ,,,,,, think I might go traet me self to a derrrr dime bar
You're the one stating you are an armed robber as fact, not us. Backfired, did it?
nope don't think it did I do find it difficult to take seriously though grown man making devil horn and chatting complete utter shite so ive just given up ,,as the saying goes when in ROME an all that ile leave ys to it ....feel free to discuss
Again I refer to the irony of this claim. Plenty of serious posts challenging your _iewpoint that you are ignoring
serious posts well I don't see any from you other than you branduing me a bigot and a racist and simply a personal desire to attack me rather than the post for simply daring to suggest stricter border controls think I noticed earlier you branding anybody contemplating voting for ukip as a bigot and a racist too ...so enough said really...don't you think "Maybe you should read my posts again? I've answered all 5 points in your opening post and wil happily discuss them? It's also slightly hypocritical to argue pro freedom of speech and then bemoan that you don't like what overs say... | |||
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" borfer control ime an ex professional time setved armed robber got an arseole the width of the Mersey tunnel every time I flashed me passport but I aint bitching bout the indignity of possible stricter border control think its reasonable to say if anybody got a gripe bout more stringent border controls I have
Firstly is that supposed to impress people? That you are a violent criminal?
And border controls should be stricter for people like you. YOU have been convicted of violent crimes. They should not be stricter to persecute a race or religion
just joking to make a point which is some are just so easy to believe anything there spoon fed. without bothering to find any facts or evidence ,,,,,, think I might go traet me self to a derrrr dime bar
You're the one stating you are an armed robber as fact, not us. Backfired, did it?
nope don't think it did I do find it difficult to take seriously though grown man making devil horn and chatting complete utter shite so ive just given up ,,as the saying goes when in ROME an all that ile leave ys to it ....feel free to discuss
Again I refer to the irony of this claim. Plenty of serious posts challenging your _iewpoint that you are ignoring
serious posts well I don't see any from you other than you branduing me a bigot and a racist and simply a personal desire to attack me rather than the post for simply daring to suggest stricter border controls think I noticed earlier you branding anybody contemplating voting for ukip as a bigot and a racist too ...so enough said really...don't you think
Maybe you should read my posts again? I've answered all 5 points in your opening post and wil happily discuss them?
It's also slightly hypocritical to argue pro freedom of speech and then bemoan that you don't like what overs say..."bit hypocritical of u considering ive never once attacked anybody elses opinion except someone who called a fellow user a skank er which was you wasn't it ? so why are you now twisting things ? on the contrary try looking in a mirror anybody that makes such sweeping statements branding everybody else who might consider voting ukip as an ignorant bigot as u did well as I said enough said ...you seem to know a hell of a lot on the subject of bigotary and ignorance as the saying goes if the cap fits. | |||
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" borfer control ime an ex professional time setved armed robber got an arseole the width of the Mersey tunnel every time I flashed me passport but I aint bitching bout the indignity of possible stricter border control think its reasonable to say if anybody got a gripe bout more stringent border controls I have
Firstly is that supposed to impress people? That you are a violent criminal?
And border controls should be stricter for people like you. YOU have been convicted of violent crimes. They should not be stricter to persecute a race or religion
just joking to make a point which is some are just so easy to believe anything there spoon fed. without bothering to find any facts or evidence ,,,,,, think I might go traet me self to a derrrr dime bar
You're the one stating you are an armed robber as fact, not us. Backfired, did it?
nope don't think it did I do find it difficult to take seriously though grown man making devil horn and chatting complete utter shite so ive just given up ,,as the saying goes when in ROME an all that ile leave ys to it ....feel free to discuss
Again I refer to the irony of this claim. Plenty of serious posts challenging your _iewpoint that you are ignoring
serious posts well I don't see any from you other than you branduing me a bigot and a racist and simply a personal desire to attack me rather than the post for simply daring to suggest stricter border controls think I noticed earlier you branding anybody contemplating voting for ukip as a bigot and a racist too ...so enough said really...don't you think
Maybe you should read my posts again? I've answered all 5 points in your opening post and wil happily discuss them?
It's also slightly hypocritical to argue pro freedom of speech and then bemoan that you don't like what overs say...
bit hypocritical of u considering ive never once attacked anybody elses opinion except someone who called a fellow user a skank er which was you wasn't it ? so why are you now twisting things ?
on the contrary try looking in a mirror anybody that makes such sweeping statements branding everybody else who might consider voting ukip as an ignorant bigot as u did well as I said enough said ...you seem to know a hell of a lot on the subject of bigotary and ignorance as the saying goes if the cap fits."I have never called anyone a skank. Do you want to retract that? | |||
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"You know why we got away with treating them worse.... Because they were fucking white... That's my point We didn't treat them worse. They are protected around the world. We treat Muslims in general worse because in general they aren't white, although it's often assumed no white person can be Muslim. . Try telling a catholic person from northern Ireland that. I hate disagree but I personally know people that had to leave the provinces because they married a protestant and were likely to be shot for it. The Irish troubles were/are no different than the current Muslim ones, it stems from a strict religious upbringing and a disassociation from society in general. The good book tells you something and the good book cannot be wrong under any circumstances to the folks pushing the good book!. Any strict catholic in northern Ireland believed in the IRAS philosophy they just disagreed in his they were going about it... And sure as hell the Muslim problem is no different. Then why the hell have you been arguing with me then? I've been saying from the beginning? You argued against the point you just made!! Oh my god, face to the palm!" . I wasn't arguing with your prognosis, i was arguing the point that you must point out problems in any faith when you see them regardless whether it's a politically correct stance or not. You can't go through life blinkered, the Muslim faith has a huge problem at the minute with radicalising some parts of their youth it's not massive I agree but it certainly isn't small either, turning a blind eye to it will only accentuate the problem. The original question was how do we help with the problem of young Muslims feeling disillusioned to which I stated that in my own opinion multi culturalism has failed. Secular schools and a secular state are in my mind a priority. Sending children to faith schools will always cause divisions as it perpetuates the non integration of children. | |||
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Your memory must be different to mine.
I'm pretty sure there was a democratic solution in Northern Ireland....
You want to try living here and burying your family and friends round you while those personally responsible sip tea with your queen,you might have a different opinion but by your standards I'm assuming you'd be happy to have this so called jihadi john as your deputy PM if they promise to behave..
I get where your coming from I blame tony blair for allowing the murderers free get oot of jail cards in the good Friday agreement for his own vain personal agenda at the time that by bringing peace to Ireland he might get himself the nobel peace prize ....he has a lot to answer for does that cunt
You blame tony Blair... But if you look at the OP, you're holding all moderate Muslims responsible. So why aren't you asking moderate Christianity to condemn and stop the violence in Ireland? Why aren't you suggesting a border control that treats all the Irish as terrorists and keep them all out? Not a policy I agree with, before you try to twist it.
cos my post is about _iews on stopping moderate muslims becoming fanatical ones and not on the troubles and conflicts of northern Ireland its a bit rich calling me a racist for simply mentioning tighter border controls ..many other countries have much stricter border controls than the uk ...such as Germany Australia new Zealand ...so are all those nations racist to simply cos they have tougher border controls??
As for you hijacking the thread for your own agenda ie the troubles and conflicts within Ireland but just a thought ...why not go make your own post on the subject!
But your great great granddaddy died in Normandy for me to have my freedom of speech - here you are telling me I'm not entitled to disagree with you! Am I not allowed to disagree with you?
You're racist because you want stricter border controls to stop Muslims - but Islam is a religion, not a race. Border controls just stop foreigners - it does nothing to prevent home-grown, white terrorists who convert to extremism, which has already happened. (Which is why multiple people are bringing up the IRA, who sure have killed more British than muslms over here) The assumption that terrorist are foreign, not white and disillusioned. As to other countries border policies - that's completely irrelevant. "just a suggestion but perhaps your so deserate to be right on and desperate to be politically correct that its getting in the way of you actually offering any answers to the questions of the posts for fear of being branded a racist yourself, I note you label me a racist for simply highlighting possibly stricter border controls such as Australia new Zealand Germany so in your politically correct lil buble I guess by your definition these nations must be racist to for having strict border controls. must be lovely to live in the clouds and throw racist accusations from safe perches I note u state u dint look at my profile ??? I don't recall asking you to? what a very shallow and vain thing to say I do just fine thanks and besides ime not into folks that cover themselves in metal shit but that's just me preference that I believe ime entitled to | |||
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Did they?
Your memory must be different to mine.
I'm pretty sure there was a democratic solution in Northern Ireland....
You want to try living here and burying your family and friends round you while those personally responsible sip tea with your queen,you might have a different opinion but by your standards I'm assuming you'd be happy to have this so called jihadi john as your deputy PM if they promise to behave..
I get where your coming from I blame tony blair for allowing the murderers free get oot of jail cards in the good Friday agreement for his own vain personal agenda at the time that by bringing peace to Ireland he might get himself the nobel peace prize ....he has a lot to answer for does that cunt
You blame tony Blair... But if you look at the OP, you're holding all moderate Muslims responsible. So why aren't you asking moderate Christianity to condemn and stop the violence in Ireland? Why aren't you suggesting a border control that treats all the Irish as terrorists and keep them all out? Not a policy I agree with, before you try to twist it.
cos my post is about _iews on stopping moderate muslims becoming fanatical ones and not on the troubles and conflicts of northern Ireland its a bit rich calling me a racist for simply mentioning tighter border controls ..many other countries have much stricter border controls than the uk ...such as Germany Australia new Zealand ...so are all those nations racist to simply cos they have tougher border controls??
As for you hijacking the thread for your own agenda ie the troubles and conflicts within Ireland but just a thought ...why not go make your own post on the subject!
But your great great granddaddy died in Normandy for me to have my freedom of speech - here you are telling me I'm not entitled to disagree with you! Am I not allowed to disagree with you?
You're racist because you want stricter border controls to stop Muslims - but Islam is a religion, not a race. Border controls just stop foreigners - it does nothing to prevent home-grown, white terrorists who convert to extremism, which has already happened. (Which is why multiple people are bringing up the IRA, who sure have killed more British than muslms over here) The assumption that terrorist are foreign, not white and disillusioned. As to other countries border policies - that's completely irrelevant.
just a suggestion but perhaps your so deserate to be right on and desperate to be politically correct that its getting in the way of you actually offering any answers to the questions of the posts for fear of being branded a racist yourself, I note you label me a racist for simply highlighting possibly stricter border controls such as Australia new Zealand Germany so in your politically correct lil buble I guess by your definition these nations must be racist to for having strict border controls.
must be lovely to live in the clouds and throw racist accusations from safe perches
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yes yr quite right the democratic solution came after the ira had bombed there way to the political negotiating table ...btw ime of irish catholic descent meself ,,,me mothers side
How would you personally have felt if during the Irish troubles, given that you've done nothing wrong at all, your were stopped at the border and sent back? Or detained without charge or trial?
By the way did you mean Ahmed, Ali or Amir instead of Tom dick or harry?
Actually you did lock folks up here in internment camps without charge or trial between 1971 and 1975"And a fat lot of good ir did to. | |||
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I'm pretty sure there was a democratic solution in Northern Ireland....
yes yr quite right the democratic solution came after the ira had bombed there way to the political negotiating table ...btw ime of irish catholic descent meself ,,,me mothers side
How would you personally have felt if during the Irish troubles, given that you've done nothing wrong at all, your were stopped at the border and sent back? Or detained without charge or trial?
By the way did you mean Ahmed, Ali or Amir instead of Tom dick or harry?
Actually you did lock folks up here in internment camps without charge or trial between 1971 and 1975
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I'm pretty sure there was a democratic solution in Northern Ireland....
yes yr quite right the democratic solution came after the ira had bombed there way to the political negotiating table ...btw ime of irish catholic descent meself ,,,me mothers side
How would you personally have felt if during the Irish troubles, given that you've done nothing wrong at all, your were stopped at the border and sent back? Or detained without charge or trial?
By the way did you mean Ahmed, Ali or Amir instead of Tom dick or harry?
Actually you did lock folks up here in internment camps without charge or trial between 1971 and 1975
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"Did we do all this to Catholics during the IRA bombing campaign? Mind you, we never bombed Dublin either, so I've never understood why Israel always thinks that's an answer... Mr ddc" Dublin monaghan bombings 1974....single biggest atrocity during troubled times....state collusion by the British government | |||
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Did they?
Your memory must be different to mine.
I'm pretty sure there was a democratic solution in Northern Ireland....
You want to try living here and burying your family and friends round you while those personally responsible sip tea with your queen,you might have a different opinion but by your standards I'm assuming you'd be happy to have this so called jihadi john as your deputy PM if they promise to behave..
I get where your coming from I blame tony blair for allowing the murderers free get oot of jail cards in the good Friday agreement for his own vain personal agenda at the time that by bringing peace to Ireland he might get himself the nobel peace prize ....he has a lot to answer for does that cunt
You blame tony Blair... But if you look at the OP, you're holding all moderate Muslims responsible. So why aren't you asking moderate Christianity to condemn and stop the violence in Ireland? Why aren't you suggesting a border control that treats all the Irish as terrorists and keep them all out? Not a policy I agree with, before you try to twist it.
cos my post is about _iews on stopping moderate muslims becoming fanatical ones and not on the troubles and conflicts of northern Ireland its a bit rich calling me a racist for simply mentioning tighter border controls ..many other countries have much stricter border controls than the uk ...such as Germany Australia new Zealand ...so are all those nations racist to simply cos they have tougher border controls??
As for you hijacking the thread for your own agenda ie the troubles and conflicts within Ireland but just a thought ...why not go make your own post on the subject!
But your great great granddaddy died in Normandy for me to have my freedom of speech - here you are telling me I'm not entitled to disagree with you! Am I not allowed to disagree with you?
You're racist because you want stricter border controls to stop Muslims - but Islam is a religion, not a race. Border controls just stop foreigners - it does nothing to prevent home-grown, white terrorists who convert to extremism, which has already happened. (Which is why multiple people are bringing up the IRA, who sure have killed more British than muslms over here) The assumption that terrorist are foreign, not white and disillusioned. As to other countries border policies - that's completely irrelevant.
just a suggestion but perhaps your so deserate to be right on and desperate to be politically correct that its getting in the way of you actually offering any answers to the questions of the posts for fear of being branded a racist yourself, I note you label me a racist for simply highlighting possibly stricter border controls such as Australia new Zealand Germany so in your politically correct lil buble I guess by your definition these nations must be racist to for having strict border controls.
must be lovely to live in the clouds and throw racist accusations from safe perches
I note u state u dint look at my profile ??? I don't recall asking you to? what a very shallow and vain thing to say I do just fine thanks and besides ime not into folks that cover themselves in metal shit but that's just me preference that I believe ime entitled to
In what way should our border controls be stricter? What changes do you think should be made and how would they make muslims around the world less likely to be radicalised?"well some form of border control instead of the open border policy we have at the moment would be a start then take that border control to the same level of say Australia or America ..that wud be a start......waits for the ime a racist rants ...zzzzzzzzzzzzz | |||
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"The question from the OP was how do we stop Muslims from becoming radicalised. I haven't read too many suggestions to that difficult question among all the mudslinging! Personally I see it as potentially an unanswerable question: it is certainly ridiculous to my mind to suggest that there isn't much of a problem with Islamic extremism. Events like 9/11, 7/7, the murder of Lee Rigby, Jihadi John's beheadings, bombings in Spain, murders in France etc etc are obviously of great concern. These are not the actions of all Muslims - but they are the actions of some. So how do Muslims feel? A poll the other day showed a quarter of Muslims had sympathy for the reasons behind the Paris killings. I find that alarming. After the naming of Jihadi John, I saw Muslims effectively apologising for him, trying to show him in a sympathetic light. That, too, is alarming. It is a problem that Western leaders have caused, however. Wars undertaken without UN backing, deposing and killing dictators and numerous bombings have, of course, stirred passions within many Muslims across the world. It is also preposterous that we can seemingly bomb and kill innocents in the Middle East without worrying yet authorities here are scared to take action against Muslim sex traffickers in Rotherham for fear of being seen as being racist. An incredible double standard. Yet both actions cause resentment. So, what is needed? Education has been mentioned. Fair comment. Trouble is, from whom? Parents? Schools? Religious leaders? All can - and should - educate not only young Muslims but all youngsters. But what? That the Iraqi war was just, that deposing Saddam Hussein was good? That Muslims feel badly done by, that Western governments have been guilty of murders of innocents and illegal invasions? It is all a matter of perspective as to what the truth is and how you should feel about that. Perhaps it is incumbent on all of us, whatever our beliefs, to educate one another, to explain our feelings in an adult and responsible manner, not through anger and vitriol or violence. I remember talking to a young man in Tunisia a couple of years after the Iraqi war, explaining how most in Britain did not support the war and that a million people in London had marched in protest against the war, how Blair's actions weren't representative of how most people felt. He, in turn, explained how many Muslims felt about the war, how Saddam Hussein had been revered by many Muslims. I think we should be engaging in discussion with Muslims and vice versa. Currently it feels as if we are too polar opposite to engage in a beneficial discussion with one another. It is beyond my comprehension how many Muslims can feel any degree of sympathy for the actions of the Paris killers, yet many do. Why? I assume that their reverence of The Prophet is much greater than anything I can relate to. Surely discussion, integration and understanding from all sides is the only way to tackle this problem within Britain? Currently youngsters are just being further alienated and radicalised. I will throw something into the mix that I mentioned on a previous thread, though: can we be sure that the British and American governments actually want things to change? According to the ideas claimed to be behind Operation Hornets Nest, they probably don't. If so, no solution to the problem of radicalisation will be found - because our governments don't want to. " thank you for a very thought provoking great thread. yours sincerely kill the messanger | |||
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Did they?
Your memory must be different to mine.
I'm pretty sure there was a democratic solution in Northern Ireland....
You want to try living here and burying your family and friends round you while those personally responsible sip tea with your queen,you might have a different opinion but by your standards I'm assuming you'd be happy to have this so called jihadi john as your deputy PM if they promise to behave..
I get where your coming from I blame tony blair for allowing the murderers free get oot of jail cards in the good Friday agreement for his own vain personal agenda at the time that by bringing peace to Ireland he might get himself the nobel peace prize ....he has a lot to answer for does that cunt
You blame tony Blair... But if you look at the OP, you're holding all moderate Muslims responsible. So why aren't you asking moderate Christianity to condemn and stop the violence in Ireland? Why aren't you suggesting a border control that treats all the Irish as terrorists and keep them all out? Not a policy I agree with, before you try to twist it.
cos my post is about _iews on stopping moderate muslims becoming fanatical ones and not on the troubles and conflicts of northern Ireland its a bit rich calling me a racist for simply mentioning tighter border controls ..many other countries have much stricter border controls than the uk ...such as Germany Australia new Zealand ...so are all those nations racist to simply cos they have tougher border controls??
As for you hijacking the thread for your own agenda ie the troubles and conflicts within Ireland but just a thought ...why not go make your own post on the subject!
But your great great granddaddy died in Normandy for me to have my freedom of speech - here you are telling me I'm not entitled to disagree with you! Am I not allowed to disagree with you?
You're racist because you want stricter border controls to stop Muslims - but Islam is a religion, not a race. Border controls just stop foreigners - it does nothing to prevent home-grown, white terrorists who convert to extremism, which has already happened. (Which is why multiple people are bringing up the IRA, who sure have killed more British than muslms over here) The assumption that terrorist are foreign, not white and disillusioned. As to other countries border policies - that's completely irrelevant.
just a suggestion but perhaps your so deserate to be right on and desperate to be politically correct that its getting in the way of you actually offering any answers to the questions of the posts for fear of being branded a racist yourself, I note you label me a racist for simply highlighting possibly stricter border controls such as Australia new Zealand Germany so in your politically correct lil buble I guess by your definition these nations must be racist to for having strict border controls.
must be lovely to live in the clouds and throw racist accusations from safe perches
I note u state u dint look at my profile ??? I don't recall asking you to? what a very shallow and vain thing to say I do just fine thanks and besides ime not into folks that cover themselves in metal shit but that's just me preference that I believe ime entitled to
In what way should our border controls be stricter? What changes do you think should be made and how would they make muslims around the world less likely to be radicalised?
well some form of border control instead of the open border policy we have at the moment would be a start then take that border control to the same level of say Australia or America ..that wud be a start......waits for the ime a racist rants ...zzzzzzzzzzzzz "But we don't have an open border? | |||
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