FabSwingers.com forum: Jihadi John

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The naming of Jihadi John is, of course, all over the news. What is interesting to note is how there seems to be a lot of talk about how he became radicalised, amid talk that is quite sympathetic to him. That is bound to be controversial but to what extent is such radicalisation inevitable, given the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and the ousting of Gadaffi? And is there truth to the idea of Operation Hornet's Nest? Certainly the Security Services have been curiously sloppy in not stopping someone like him - not to mention the three teenage girls recently - from entering Syria. Any thoughts?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who gave him the name John?

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

He is a coward, to cut the throat of someone with their hands tied behind their back is lower than low.

He is the evil pawn of people higher up, he will reap what he sowed once they tire of him....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hopefully the Americans or the Kurds will get to him first.

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By *obbytupperMan
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

To be a coward by running from conflict is on a totally different level to the cowardly act of beheading someone who is captive. I hope his own death is painful and prolonged.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hopefully the Americans or the Kurds will get to him first."

God forbid he ever had the luxury to face the British justice system.

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By *carineMan
over a year ago

Armthorpe, Doncaster

I offer my hearty congratulations to Westminster Uni for producing another example of skilled young people who go on to make their name in the world.

Tis a pity his real name wasn`t revealed during London Fashion Week, as i`m sure those dumb bozo`s would`ve awarded him their top prize in sartorial elegance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Evil has a name

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Who gave him the name John?"

The media love alliteration.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know that there are a lot of very skilled people out there looking for him most of which will never make the news....but my kind of justice wouldn't need a court or a bullet as a lot of people's would mine would only need the mother of one of his victims and a bare room

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally i don't think they should have named him or shown his face, reasons being they are not 100% sure this is the right guy they only think it's him, they could be right but what if they are not, imagine being the family of that guy and what they will go through

now don't get me wrong I think the same about him as everyone else here but I just think before they print names and pictures they need to be 100% sure of who they are naming

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who gave him the name John?"

Some hostages that were freed ages ago spoke how him and some other british ISIS members jokingly referred to themselves as the beetles cos of their british backgrounds.

Stupid really and insulting to john Lennon!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally i don't think they should have named him or shown his face, reasons being they are not 100% sure this is the right guy they only think it's him, they could be right but what if they are not, imagine being the family of that guy and what they will go through

now don't get me wrong I think the same about him as everyone else here but I just think before they print names and pictures they need to be 100% sure of who they are naming "

I was actually thinking about what he has left his family to deal with.But you do have a point, and personally the more media coverage he gets the bigger his notoriety gets, which can only fuel his twisted warped mind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no method or prolonged painful torture prior to his death is really going to put right what he did.

revenge ..an eye for an eye is a very fleeting emotion that leaves a much longer empty feeling.

Instead of killing him maybe rip apart all his belief mechanisms / ideologies he holds so dear that led him to commit his savage and barbaric acts in order to feel u first have to accept responsibility for your own actions only then can you repent ..he doesn't he thinks hes a soildier with god on his side.

Then whens he is rehabilitated and truly repentant start by sticking his balls in an egg slicer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Was going to say a nicely placed bit of lead would do the job but that's too quick... Live by the sword therefore die by the sword

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

now don't get me wrong I think the same about him as everyone else here but I just think before they print names and pictures they need to be 100% sure of who they are naming

Could the media coverage and notoriety encourage others to do the same? I suspect it might well do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Vlad the impaler would certainly be able to provide a fitting end to this scum

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

I would not even call the man an animal, as it is an insult to animals. But....killing or torturing him would make you just as bad as he is, I do not subscribe to any form of capital punishment or torture to other human beings, no matter what they have done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

they had a good system in the dark ages... hung drawn and quartered then stick his head on a stick in the town square and make sure he family have a front row seat, just like our men and women's family's had the torture of seeing his actions

does that makes the west as bad as him ?

maybe but do we really care, no not a jot !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

After watching Vikings, I think he should be 'Blood Eagled'.

I wonder if they decided to put his execution on a PPV how many buys it would get?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"they had a good system in the dark ages... hung drawn and quartered then stick his head on a stick in the town square and make sure he family have a front row seat, just like our men and women's family's had the torture of seeing his actions

does that makes the west as bad as him ?

maybe but do we really care, no not a jot !!!"

You speaking for the whole of the west there? Please don't

Why make his family watch, what have they done?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"I would not even call the man an animal, as it is an insult to animals. But....killing or torturing him would make you just as bad as he is, I do not subscribe to any form of capital punishment or torture to other human beings, no matter what they have done. "
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We need to diminish our media attention upon him, where he should be treated like all other suspects. We are just fanning the flames of division. We should also not provoke terrorism with stupid wars.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In recent news, the Russians appear to have a prompt solution.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it the head of Medusa ( or something else similar)?

For every one cut off, two appear?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

does that makes the west as bad as him ?

maybe but do we really care, no not a jot !!!

You speaking for the whole of the west there? Please don't

Why make his family watch, what have they done? "

unlike the parents or our boys and girls they brought a scum murder into the world

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By *ratty_DamselWoman
over a year ago

London.

I agree wholeheartedly.

I do also wonder if he and his family came to the UK as refugees ?

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By *ratty_DamselWoman
over a year ago

London.

does that makes the west as bad as him ?

maybe but do we really care, no not a jot !!!

You speaking for the whole of the west there? Please don't

Why make his family watch, what have they done? "

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

Is it the head of Medusa ( or something else similar)?

For every one cut off, two appear?"

Excellent analogy. I wonder if isis live by that.

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

Interesting that the probably Guardian reading critics that complain about Internet snooping and surveillance generally are now complaining that he wasn't watched closely enough and allowed to go on his way?!

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple
over a year ago

near cardiff

does that makes the west as bad as him ?

maybe but do we really care, no not a jot !!!

You speaking for the whole of the west there? Please don't

Why make his family watch, what have they done?

unlike the parents or our boys and girls they brought a scum murder into the world "

Are you no different in your method and ideology to jihad john?

We are horrified by his actions..what you would do is also horrific,not that you'd ever get the chance to,and then I suspect you wouldn't have it in you to cut up another human being..unless you're happy to admit to violent psychopathic tendencies and fantasies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not to mention the Bangladeshi blogger who was, repotedly, hacked to death.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

I find myself asking what good has been done by outing him and his family? I expect that they and his friends now fear retribution for his actions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Worst. Name. Ever

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Interesting that the probably Guardian reading critics that complain about Internet snooping and surveillance generally are now complaining that he wasn't watched closely enough and allowed to go on his way?!"

According to the ideas Snowden has talked about in Operation Hornet's Nest, he may have been tacitly allowed to go to Syria, which is a very interesting part of the whole story to me - not to mention a very worrying and sinister part

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Is it the head of Medusa ( or something else similar)?

For every one cut off, two appear?"

Hydra. And yes, terrorism acts like that - every martyr begets another ten or a hundred radicals. Remember Bobby Sands and the IRA?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They have known his name for a over a year funny how they published it the same day the foodbank party Tories and spineless David cam moron annouced that immigration as not gone down one bit in fact.it's risen ten fold! Go back to 2010 he said if we aint lowered it vote us out!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That pic they released of the scumbag as been in the press before the one where it's in the red jumper. They released it's name to deter from the fact the food bank party have failed with not long to go before the election.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Why do people advocate such horrendous violence toward something they say they abhor ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it the head of Medusa ( or something else similar)?

For every one cut off, two appear?

Hydra. And yes, terrorism acts like that - every martyr begets another ten or a hundred radicals. Remember Bobby Sands and the IRA? "

Woe. Bobby sands died on hunger strike. The reason so many people got upset about it is because the government ye had at that time let him and others die. And another thing why is the terrorists only in the countries that your army are invading ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Is it the head of Medusa ( or something else similar)?

For every one cut off, two appear?

Hydra. And yes, terrorism acts like that - every martyr begets another ten or a hundred radicals. Remember Bobby Sands and the IRA?

All fair points. Yes, I know Sands died from a hunger strike. By doing so, he wittingly and deliberately martyred himself to the IRA cause, knowing the effect this would have. I am not being judgemental, just stating facts.

As for the term terrorists, the IRA and ISIS were and are terrorists: what else can they be called? Freedom fighters? Ultimately neither organisation was or is one politically elected and therefore has no legitimacy, surely? It is not a matter of using that term against opponents of the British government

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

Please, please, please don't let the British 'justice' system deal with him. Leave him for the Americans

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By *aneandpaulCouple
over a year ago

cleveleys

People in the area say what a nice young lad he was he as got praise from every one What can our police and security forces do if they had pulled him locked him up all hell would have been said about our racist state and security forces they have there hand,s tied,It,s the Government,s fault past and preasant for letting them come here in the first place whats going to happen when all these Romanians start there problems. Not religious but it says in the Bible we will rep what we have sown we are certainly going to do that.

You Walk down our street,s gang,s of foreigners talking there own Language they look at you yes i am sure they say what a nice White English man i am. At the end of the day it,s only people that speak English that are racists.

I dont mind being called a white English Bastard that,s What i am proud to be one call me all day long it will never up set me. Rant over folk,s enjoy the weekend. PS AND I AM NOT RACIST GOT A LOT OF Black friend,s

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

does that makes the west as bad as him ?

maybe but do we really care, no not a jot !!!

You speaking for the whole of the west there? Please don't

Why make his family watch, what have they done?

unlike the parents or our boys and girls they brought a scum murder into the world

Are you no different in your method and ideology to jihad john?

On a tangent, I have rather a horrible suspicion that I could do just that & therefore I keep a very strong check on my moral compass. Its a reminder how easily people can be swayed to commit appalling crimes by ideologies.

Jihadi John has become an embarrassment to the state, so I suspect his card is marked & he will end up dead before too long.

The wider question is how to combat radicalisation at home, by the time these people set off to join such groups they are beyond saving and rather than stopping them going we should concentrate on not letting them come back.

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple
over a year ago

near cardiff

does that makes the west as bad as him ?

maybe but do we really care, no not a jot !!!

You speaking for the whole of the west there? Please don't

Why make his family watch, what have they done?

unlike the parents or our boys and girls they brought a scum murder into the world

Are you no different in your method and ideology to jihad john?

Jihadi John has become an embarrassment to the state, so I suspect his card is marked & he will end up dead before too long.

Jihad john will die.the British and Americans will make sure of that..i don't think you can ever stop radicalization..it appeals to people,especially dreamers of utopia

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By *panker53Man
over a year ago

leeds

why do we give these sort of people the coverage they want

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple
over a year ago

near cardiff

"Please, please, please don't let the British 'justice' system deal with him. Leave him for the Americans"

Lol..i love these 'insights'.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

I knew all along his name wasnt John, I dont even work for the police never mind MI5

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By *tsallaroundMan
over a year ago

merthyr

Should never have named him publicly. A bullet would have sent him into obscurity once they found him

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Who gave him the name John?

Some hostages that were freed ages ago spoke how him and some other british ISIS members jokingly referred to themselves as the beetles cos of their british backgrounds.

Stupid really and insulting to john Lennon!"

Well, that really got to the heart of the issue!

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"People in the area say what a nice young lad he was he as got praise from every one What can our police and security forces do if they had pulled him locked him up all hell would have been said about our racist state and security forces they have there hand,s tied,It,s the Government,s fault past and preasant for letting them come here in the first place whats going to happen when all these Romanians start there problems. Not religious but it says in the Bible we will rep what we have sown we are certainly going to do that.

sPeAk yoUr brAnEs!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why do you feel the need to add the last sentence?

Is it because you feel that people may consider your earlier statements to be racist? If so, why?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just watched the CAGE press conference. It's quite sad to see the apologists for this male and the hard left sat to their left nodding their heads in agreement.

Proof indeed that elements of the left has sided with radical Islam.

This will now breed hate on both sides and keep the vicious circle spinning as proved by the comments above.

Nobody on any of the sides want understanding because they are happy with the status quo by the look of it.

Ignorance and intolerance is sad.

(A bullet to Jihadi Johns face would not go amiss though cowardly man)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it the head of Medusa ( or something else similar)?

For every one cut off, two appear?

Hydra. And yes, terrorism acts like that - every martyr begets another ten or a hundred radicals. Remember Bobby Sands and the IRA?

The IRA stopped being reffered to as terrorists when they began negotiations with Britain. Britain gave in and allowed the IRA'S political wing Sinn Fein Seats on the irish Assembly and therefore a political voice.

So in essence the IRA did achieve there objectives which was to bomb there way to the political negotiation table.

I rememner at the time all the news channel newsreaders suddenly stopped reffering to them as terrorists all of a sudden ...I also remember about then of thinking of politicians as two faced hypocritical cowards who gave in to terrorism.

Today we and the states still trot out the bullshit line we don't negotiate with terrorists. yet we been attempting to negotiate with the Taliban in relation to Afghanistan for a good few years now its just that the Taliban never wanted to negotiate with us.

My fear is that sometime in the future the muslim fanatical jihadists will achieve there goals just as the ira did.

Its not just Islamic state theres lots of jihadist groups dotted all over the world carrying out savage acts such as alshabab who carried out the Kenyan shopping centre massacre.

Its been reported that these groups are being secretly supported by countries such as Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Iran.

To me I don't understand why our powers that be don't just eradicate these savage groups. They simply do the odd air raid now and again to make it appear they do care and are doing somert about it but. it wouldn't take long to do ....but western forces are always put on hold cos our leaders feel that it would cause serious implications with muslim countries world wide.

Until the three main Muslim nations Such as Pakistan Iran and Saudi Arabia come forward and condemn these jihadist fanatical groups. then ime afraid that such groups as Islamic state are going to increase and continue to thrive and carry on carrying out acts of savagery whilst nato and the west send out the odd air raid now and again in the hope it wil appease us.

We dint mind invading irag with troops but then again Iraq and Saddam Hussein had lots of oil and were not friends of Iran Pakistan and Saudi Arabia

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why are we fighting ISIS?

Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia are all more than capable of dealing with this small faction.

ISIS is a direct threat to the sovereignty of some of those states, not ours.

The easiest way not to radicalise those susceptible in this country is not to fight wars that polarise opinion.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Why are we fighting ISIS?

Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia are all more than capable of dealing with this small faction.

ISIS is a direct threat to the sovereignty of some of those states, not ours.

The easiest way not to radicalise those susceptible in this country is not to fight wars that polarise opinion."

Your good sense is not welcome here, please leave.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Is it the head of Medusa ( or something else similar)?

For every one cut off, two appear?

Hydra. And yes, terrorism acts like that - every martyr begets another ten or a hundred radicals. Remember Bobby Sands and the IRA?

So in essence the IRA did achieve there objectives which was to bomb there way to the political negotiation table.

My fear is that sometime in the future the muslim fanatical jihadists will achieve there goals just as the ira did.

Its not just Islamic state theres lots of jihadist groups dotted all over the world carrying out savage acts such as alshabab who carried out the Kenyan shopping centre massacre.

Its been reported that these groups are being secretly supported by countries such as Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Iran.

We dint mind invading irag with troops but then again Iraq and Saddam Hussein had lots of oil and were not friends of Iran Pakistan and Saudi Arabia

William Hague is posting on Fab now?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"Why are we fighting ISIS?

Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia are all more than capable of dealing with this small faction.

ISIS is a direct threat to the sovereignty of some of those states, not ours.

The easiest way not to radicalise those susceptible in this country is not to fight wars that polarise opinion."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why are we fighting ISIS?

Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia are all more than capable of dealing with this small faction.

ISIS is a direct threat to the sovereignty of some of those states, not ours.

The easiest way not to radicalise those susceptible in this country is not to fight wars that polarise opinion.

Your good sense is not welcome here, please leave.

Very good point and well put.....Maybe these countries don't want to deal with isis, maybe in secret they sympathise with them ....just a thought ?

As far as ime aware to date the only muslim nation to join NATO in air strikes is Jordan. However after the Jordanian pilot being caught and burned to death and the pilots father condemming the Jordanian government for joining with nato rather than is who burnt his son to death than last news reports stated that public opinion now in Jordan is that they don't want anymore to do with nato and the west.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Please, please, please don't let the British 'justice' system deal with him. Leave him for the Americans"

Totally agree here, you could imagine his sentencing....

Jihadi John we sentence you to life in prison. Society rids itself of you, so instead....

we will lock you up in our walled Hilton, and provide you with a tv, a gaming console, radio and a comfy bed as well as three meals a day, a chance to socialise, learn and gain qualifications and also the opportunity of earning some money with a prison job!

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

Personally, unless they are 100% certain it's him, they shouldn't have named him. This just doesn't sit comfortably with me.

If it's him, I trust when caught he'll be treated the way he deserves...until then...I'll wait until it's a known fact.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

now don't get me wrong I think the same about him as everyone else here but I just think before they print names and pictures they need to be 100% sure of who they are naming "

My thoughts exactly!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He is a coward, to cut the throat of someone with their hands tied behind their back is lower than low.

He is the evil pawn of people higher up, he will reap what he sowed once they tire of him....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be a coward by running from conflict is on a totally different level to the cowardly act of beheading someone who is captive. I hope his own death is painful and prolonged.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Why do people advocate such horrendous violence toward something they say they abhor ?"

All hyperbole and playing to the gallery. I seriously doubt anyone on this thread could do to Jiadh John what he has done to others.

If they could...

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

I think it gets too much airtime, exactly what is wanted by him and others.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

...yeah, right!

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Why are we fighting ISIS?

Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia are all more than capable of dealing with this small faction.

ISIS is a direct threat to the sovereignty of some of those states, not ours.

The easiest way not to radicalise those susceptible in this country is not to fight wars that polarise opinion."

As always!

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple
over a year ago

near cardiff

"Please, please, please don't let the British 'justice' system deal with him. Leave him for the Americans

Totally agree here, you could imagine his sentencing....

Jihadi John we sentence you to life in prison. Society rids itself of you, so instead....

Prisons are hardly Hilton hotels!lol.over crowded,and cramped cells,seclusion,and isolation...but wow!he gets a bed,a tv and games console!

But no freedom,no movement,and a life time of grim monotony..sounds awesome

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Why do people advocate such horrendous violence toward something they say they abhor ?

All hyperbole and playing to the gallery. I seriously doubt anyone on this thread could do to Jiadh John what he has done to others.

If they could..."

Exactly. It's always the same on Fab though. Being thoughtful is not in the nature of a lot of people here.

'We should solve the problem of these monsters who don't value tolerance and the sanctity of human life like we do by murdering them all like dogs in the street!'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why are we fighting ISIS?

Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia are all more than capable of dealing with this small faction.

ISIS is a direct threat to the sovereignty of some of those states, not ours.

The easiest way not to radicalise those susceptible in this country is not to fight wars that polarise opinion.

The question is though even if the west didn't fight wars that polarise and breed radical fanatical muslim opinion would it make any difference.

Yes the usa foreign policy does help in breeding radical extreme muslim fanatics ...but you cant be radicalised brainwashed if you don't want to be the same as you cant be hypnotised if u don't believe in it...in order to be radicalised you must have a part of you that is open and susceptible to wanting to believe in the 1st place.

The biggest propaganda recruiting mechanism along side the americans foreign affairs policy could well be the Saudi version of the Koran there are 2 versions ..the Saudi version is the one currently being preached in western Islamic only state schools and in it there isn't much love or tolerance to any one that isn't muslim ...this was highlighted on ch4 dispatches and some Aljazeera documentary ...the faith hate preachers being positioned into these schools and the schools funded by pakstan iran and Saudi Arabia.

2 wrongs don't make a right the muslims have fanatics which seem to be growing into a bigger minority by the day as to do the Christians they go by the name of the American republican party.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"The naming of Jihadi John is, of course, all over the news. What is interesting to note is how there seems to be a lot of talk about how he became radicalised, amid talk that is quite sympathetic to him. That is bound to be controversial but to what extent is such radicalisation inevitable, given the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and the ousting of Gadaffi? And is there truth to the idea of Operation Hornet's Nest? Certainly the Security Services have been curiously sloppy in not stopping someone like him - not to mention the three teenage girls recently - from entering Syria. Any thoughts?"

I've been thinking about this since you posted it and the only answer I can come up with is I truly don't know. I suspect that radicalisation is inevitable but Operation Hornets Nest? We'll never know.

A really great thread though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally, unless they are 100% certain it's him, they shouldn't have named him. This just doesn't sit comfortably with me.

If it's him, I trust when caught he'll be treated the way he deserves...until then...I'll wait until it's a known fact."

His identity would have been for quite some time, his associates, family, friends would all have been scrutinised and watched by the intelligence service. Naming him now would have been done for a specific purpose.

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over a year ago

"Personally, unless they are 100% certain it's him, they shouldn't have named him. This just doesn't sit comfortably with me.

If it's him, I trust when caught he'll be treated the way he deserves...until then...I'll wait until it's a known fact.

So what your saying is the security services never get it wrong ? what about the shooting of brazillian student john mendez on the underground they got that wrong.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I think naming him makes him vulnerable within ISIS.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Personally, unless they are 100% certain it's him, they shouldn't have named him. This just doesn't sit comfortably with me.

If it's him, I trust when caught he'll be treated the way he deserves...until then...I'll wait until it's a known fact."

this..

after all the intelligence services have got it wrong before..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

does that makes the west as bad as him ?

maybe but do we really care, no not a jot !!!

You speaking for the whole of the west there? Please don't

Why make his family watch, what have they done?

unlike the parents or our boys and girls they brought a scum murder into the world "

your logic is baffling..

are you saying the parents of every murderer should be publicly outed as their offspring committed a crime in their lifetime..?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Why are we fighting ISIS?

Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia are all more than capable of dealing with this small faction.

ISIS is a direct threat to the sovereignty of some of those states, not ours.

The easiest way not to radicalise those susceptible in this country is not to fight wars that polarise opinion."

this..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why are we fighting ISIS?

Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia are all more than capable of dealing with this small faction.

ISIS is a direct threat to the sovereignty of some of those states, not ours.

The easiest way not to radicalise those susceptible in this country is not to fight wars that polarise opinion."

I'm afraid I can't agree with this. ISIS have been ethnically cleansing every area they encroach into , beheading ordinary members of the public that they have kidnapped from neighbouring countries , killing aid workers , throwing homosexuals from buildings bound and gagged for mobs to then throw rocks at them. I would feel very uncomfortable if our government just sat back and said "not our problem, on you go"

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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"Why are we fighting ISIS?

Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia are all more than capable of dealing with this small faction.

ISIS is a direct threat to the sovereignty of some of those states, not ours.

The easiest way not to radicalise those susceptible in this country is not to fight wars that polarise opinion.

we allow similar persecution in other countries with folks of differing religious beliefs or sexual leanings..

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over a year ago

"Why are we fighting ISIS?

Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia are all more than capable of dealing with this small faction.

ISIS is a direct threat to the sovereignty of some of those states, not ours.

The easiest way not to radicalise those susceptible in this country is not to fight wars that polarise opinion.

I wanna go live on that rose petal planet your on ..time to wake up and smell the coffee

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why are we fighting ISIS?

Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia are all more than capable of dealing with this small faction.

ISIS is a direct threat to the sovereignty of some of those states, not ours.

The easiest way not to radicalise those susceptible in this country is not to fight wars that polarise opinion.

we allow similar persecution in other countries with folks of differing religious beliefs or sexual leanings.."

It doesn't make that right either.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I think naming him makes him vulnerable within ISIS.

There's more than one way of skinning a cat........

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over a year ago

"After watching Vikings, I think he should be 'Blood Eagled'.

I wonder if they decided to put his execution on a PPV how many buys it would get?"

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over a year ago

"Why are we fighting ISIS?

Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia are all more than capable of dealing with this small faction.

ISIS is a direct threat to the sovereignty of some of those states, not ours.

The easiest way not to radicalise those susceptible in this country is not to fight wars that polarise opinion.

we allow similar persecution in other countries with folks of differing religious beliefs or sexual leanings..

It doesn't make that right either. "

We can't be frightened to act against atrocities for fear of radicalising people. Surely that would mean ISIS could do what the hell they liked. When do we take notice of what they are doing ?

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By *lackbirdtimestwoWoman
over a year ago

birmingham

I think the border controls need to be culturally aware, should have the power to stop British citizens from travelling abroad when they believe they are about to put themselves and others at risk.

I think the police should be open to sharing some of that information with the border agency. But look we've been getting it wrong for years,, we allow peadophiles to move freely to abuse in other countries and have done for many many years, I think we probably still do!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally, unless they are 100% certain it's him, they shouldn't have named him. This just doesn't sit comfortably with me.

If it's him, I trust when caught he'll be treated the way he deserves...until then...I'll wait until it's a known fact.

So what your saying is the security services never get it wrong ? what about the shooting of brazillian student john mendez on the underground they got that wrong.

Of course they get it wrong. But I do not for one second believe that his name would have been released unless they were 100% certain and that it was done for operational purposes.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Why are we fighting ISIS?

Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia are all more than capable of dealing with this small faction.

ISIS is a direct threat to the sovereignty of some of those states, not ours.

The easiest way not to radicalise those susceptible in this country is not to fight wars that polarise opinion.

we allow similar persecution in other countries with folks of differing religious beliefs or sexual leanings..

It doesn't make that right either. "

on that we are in total agreement..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why aren't we in Nigeria bombing Boko Haram? It is believed they killed over 2000 people in one day!

Why aren't we opposing Saudi Arabia for its regular beheadings?

What about the Saudis publically flogging that blogger?

The homosexuals persecuted and murdered in Uganda.

The issues in Sudan.

It is 'comforting' to believe that our war on ISIS is solely because of the human tragedy, but that is just propaganda.

We are at war with them because of the threat they pose to the supply of middle east oil.

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over a year ago

Why aren't we in Nigeria bombing Boko Haram? It is believed they killed over 2000 people in one day!

Why aren't we opposing Saudi Arabia for its regular beheadings?

What about the Saudis publically flogging that blogger?

The homosexuals persecuted and murdered in Uganda.

The issues in Sudan.

It is 'comforting' to believe that our war on ISIS is solely because of the human tragedy, but that is just propaganda.

We are at war with them because of the threat they pose to the supply of middle east oil."

I've no idea why we aren't opposing what you have mentioned , but I think we should be. Don't you ?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Why are we fighting ISIS?

Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia are all more than capable of dealing with this small faction.

ISIS is a direct threat to the sovereignty of some of those states, not ours.

The easiest way not to radicalise those susceptible in this country is not to fight wars that polarise opinion.

To hold that _iew, you have to ignore the fact that ISIS exists as a direct result of the geopolitics played in that part of the world by Western governments over the last hundred years.

It's nice to think that our governments are a force for good, but except for unusual cases, they make things worse. Can anyone remember Libya?

The only sensible thing to do with ISIS is to leave well alone. It will be horrible, as a result. But involvement by our Governments guarantees things will be much more horrible, and for a lot longer.

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over a year ago

does that makes the west as bad as him ?

maybe but do we really care, no not a jot !!!

You speaking for the whole of the west there? Please don't

Why make his family watch, what have they done?

unlike the parents or our boys and girls they brought a scum murder into the world "

So giving birth is a crime now, so the parents of all murders should be held accountable for their kids actions?

Our children get to an age where we no longer run their lives, he's an adult and only he is accountable for his actions

How do you know his parents are not as horrified by his actions as we are?

And our boys and girls?? What the hell does that mean? Are there no murders in the UK then

I think you may may need a reality check

Yes he's a coward murder I hate what he does as much as the next person but to blame is family is wrong, he makes his choices nobody else

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Personally, unless they are 100% certain it's him, they shouldn't have named him. This just doesn't sit comfortably with me.

If it's him, I trust when caught he'll be treated the way he deserves...until then...I'll wait until it's a known fact.

So what your saying is the security services never get it wrong ? what about the shooting of brazillian student john mendez on the underground they got that wrong.

Of course they get it wrong. But I do not for one second believe that his name would have been released unless they were 100% certain and that it was done for operational purposes."

You are very credulous, then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I see no reason to stop anyone from joining IS or any other group, in fact, I positively encourage it, let them die over there. If they are banned from going, all they will do is plan attacks here. What should be rigorously enforced is banning them from ever returning.

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over a year ago

"Why are we fighting ISIS?

Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia are all more than capable of dealing with this small faction.

ISIS is a direct threat to the sovereignty of some of those states, not ours.

The easiest way not to radicalise those susceptible in this country is not to fight wars that polarise opinion.

To hold that _iew, you have to ignore the fact that ISIS exists as a direct result of the geopolitics played in that part of the world by Western governments over the last hundred years.

It's nice to think that our governments are a force for good, but except for unusual cases, they make things worse. Can anyone remember Libya?

Why do you think western government forces are a force for good ?? taking into account the numerous times the CIA have tried to mount coups against countries who dint have American foreign policies at the forefront of there agendas.

In terms of solving isis and other muslim fanatical groups yes we should leave well alone and let the moderate muslims cleanse there own house ...only thing is such muslim powerhouses like iran Pakistan and Saudi Arabia choose to do fuck all about there own increasing minority of fanatical jihadist muslims.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"Interesting ... about Internet snooping and surveillance generally are now complaining that he wasn't watched closely enough and allowed to go on his way?!"

I think as he'd been known to the security services for some years, I'd assume they'd be all over him, rather than trawling through millions of UK and international internet headers - without email content - as well as having him under physical surveillance.

Someone who's educated as a post-graduate is also going to know ways to bypass monitoring of who they communicate with. Bit like our kids who usually know their way around internet restrictions better than parents, if they want to do stuff they shouldn't.

There has to be a better way to have suspects under control that blanket surveillance of all citizens, which web sites they visit etc. There have been a few discussions on here about letting residents leave the country but lose some of their rights. I don't know what the full answer is - obviously us not implementing some military interventions overseas is one, as this provokes.

I think highly sophisticated monitoring of suspect individuals is necessary. Restraining our media is another, to reduce fanning the flames of hatred amongst people who need little provocation before they embark on their own campaigns of revolting behaviour is another.

I'm assuming we've spent £billions on internet monitoring - some of which is obviously useful and well spent but potentially the majority of which is spent stockpiling every citizen's web browsing history and messaging to/from details, is unlikely to be effective targeting of resources. I think something akin to wire-tapping of likely suspects is almost certainly called for, where all data is collected, as well as using bugs etc.

It's a tough call - this 'war' won't be won, partly because it's somewhat based on opinion vs. a country, ie. someone interprets their religious beliefs and our country's role/behaviour and decides that they want to fight against us. It would be easier if it wasn't just based on beliefs and individuals' forming their own conclusions, who can then implement solitary murders etc, with little more than a gun/knife, in some instances.

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over a year ago

"Why are we fighting ISIS?

Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia are all more than capable of dealing with this small faction.

ISIS is a direct threat to the sovereignty of some of those states, not ours.

The easiest way not to radicalise those susceptible in this country is not to fight wars that polarise opinion.

To hold that _iew, you have to ignore the fact that ISIS exists as a direct result of the geopolitics played in that part of the world by Western governments over the last hundred years.

It's nice to think that our governments are a force for good, but except for unusual cases, they make things worse. Can anyone remember Libya?

Ok , let's just ignore it and hope it goes away. I've got my bucket of sand and I'm just about to bend over and bury my head in it. I just hope no one fucks me up the arse while its in there.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

So, if the choice is ignore it and hope it goes away, or interfere and guarantee it makes thing worse, you favour making it worse?

You must be very cruel.

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over a year ago

"So, if the choice is ignore it and hope it goes away, or interfere and guarantee it makes thing worse, you favour making it worse?

You must be very cruel."

Why does that make anyone cruel ? Some might say ignoring it and allowing ethnic cleansing is cruel.

And how does interfering guarantee it'll make it worse. I'm a lot more comfortable trying to help minorities than cowardly sitting by and doing nothing.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

History tells you this. So if you don't know the history of these areas, you are better off not commenting on them.

There is nothing brave about dropping bombs in the hope of solving the problem. That is the cowardly thing, as it is motivated entirely be the desire to be seen to be doing something, anything, for the benefit of the ignorant at home who go by the headlines.

The brave thing to do is to recognise limitations, and to prevent increased bloodshed by refusing to repeat the mistakes of the past.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"History tells you this. So if you don't know the history of these areas, you are better off not commenting on them.

The brave thing to do is to recognise limitations, and to prevent increased bloodshed by refusing to repeat the mistakes of the past."

Ok I'll shut up then and not comment on an open forum.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Not telling you to shut up by any means, merely inviting you to consider that there is more to the issue than you'll find in the headlines of the Daily Mail.

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over a year ago

The days of a countries people bringing a tyrannical government down are over.

With modern weaponry any government with an army onside have little to worry about, other than outside interference.

Peoples of the world have simply missed their chance. Ask the French, today they wouldn't stand a chance.

Even todays American civilians with all their guns would be brushed aside by their army backing a ruthless goverment.

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over a year ago

Serious question to the apologists on here and others :

What's the difference between ISIS, ISIL whatever and the Nazi Third Reich?

Anything more than numbers and time?

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple
over a year ago

near cardiff

Why aren't we in Nigeria bombing Boko Haram? It is believed they killed over 2000 people in one day!

Why aren't we opposing Saudi Arabia for its regular beheadings?

What about the Saudis publically flogging that blogger?

The homosexuals persecuted and murdered in Uganda.

The issues in Sudan.

It is 'comforting' to believe that our war on ISIS is solely because of the human tragedy, but that is just propaganda.

We are at war with them because of the threat they pose to the supply of middle east oil."

A very valid point..if there was no oil in the middle east all we would hear about that neck of woods is Israel kicking the shit out of some mickey mouse jihadists every now and again..and that would be after Israel let em behead the shit out of each other..there are plenty of horrific conflicts going on that the British state does not care about,and they are just as brutal,and a hell of a lot longer fraught that the recent rise of IS...but we need our oil.we cant get enough of that black stuff

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

We don't live in a perfect world and we as humans are to blame for the ills of the planet and for that which we do to our fellow man..

i think its laudable that many would wish it were different and that is to be applauded not denigrated..

however for every person beheaded by a terrorist or every family attending a wedding killed by a drone from thousands of miles away there are thousands dying weekly because of a lack of clean drinking water and preventable diseases..

thats just how it is..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Serious question to the apologists on here and others :

What's the difference between ISIS, ISIL whatever and the Nazi Third Reich?

Anything more than numbers and time?"

serious question to you Canis..

where has anyone 'apologised' for the actions of IS..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not telling you to shut up by any means, merely inviting you to consider that there is more to the issue than you'll find in the headlines of the Daily Mail."

Why would you assume I read the Daily Mail ? This is a tired and lazy insult, you have no idea where I got my news from or which media outlet I use.

I am well aware that the Middle East is a complex and complicated issue. Just because I favour trying to tackle ISIS and put a stop to them it doesn't make me an ignorant right wing Mail reader. I would just feel a lot more comfortable if we try to help the people they are trying to persecute than by just ignoring it. We have the means to help these people, I think it would be a crime if we just left them to their fate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Interesting how many people mention our need for Oil and the undoubtable effect that has on policy.

Yet contrast that with out need for Gas and our differing policies towards Russia and the mayhem and death the West are causing in Ukraine.

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over a year ago

Serious question to the apologists on here and others :

What's the difference between ISIS, ISIL whatever and the Nazi Third Reich?

Anything more than numbers and time?

serious question to you Canis..

where has anyone 'apologised' for the actions of IS..?"

Serious answer, i mention "apologists" only. You determine which and where the cap fits. It's like dangling a fly in a stream of trout lol.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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Serious question to the apologists on here and others :

What's the difference between ISIS, ISIL whatever and the Nazi Third Reich?

Anything more than numbers and time?

serious question to you Canis..

where has anyone 'apologised' for the actions of IS..?

Serious answer, i mention "apologists" only. You determine which and where the cap fits. It's like dangling a fly in a stream of trout lol."

then where according to you are the apologists..

unless as usual your just chucking out some twaddle without anything to support it..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just to clarify a little, when i said "on here" in an earlier post, that's the Fab site, not this particular thread. Cast away.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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"[Removed by poster at 28/02/15 16:02:12]"

bit harsh..

i may disagree with his posts but respect his right to say what he thinks..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Serious question to the apologists on here and others :

What's the difference between ISIS, ISIL whatever and the Nazi Third Reich?

Anything more than numbers and time?

serious question to you Canis..

where has anyone 'apologised' for the actions of IS..?

Serious answer, i mention "apologists" only. You determine which and where the cap fits. It's like dangling a fly in a stream of trout lol.

then where according to you are the apologists..

unless as usual your just chucking out some twaddle without anything to support it..?"

Twaddle? The Third Reich killed large numbers of people purely for their religious beliefs, ISIS or more accurately a branch of ISLAM do precisely the same. Different methods maybe.

Maybe twaddle in your eyes but there you go.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The days of a countries people bringing a tyrannical government down are over.

With modern weaponry any government with an army onside have little to worry about, other than outside interference.

Peoples of the world have simply missed their chance. Ask the French, today they wouldn't stand a chance.

Even todays American civilians with all their guns would be brushed aside by their army backing a ruthless goverment.

on that subject when Bush was president America had a deficit of 250 trillion pounds which congress couldn't account for ..bush sent rumsfield to answer to congress ...congress asked him where is the unaccountable 250 trillion pounds to which rumsfield replied "sorry could you repeat the question."

The long held _iew is that the missing 250 trillion was spent on black op military agendas u know like the stealth bomber etc.

At the time of governments making its people scrimp and scrape coming out with osterity cuts how do u think the people would feel if they knew all along there government blew 250 trillion dollars on its own military dunno bout u but ide be a tad pissed of.

the banks run the world they own the oil companies who in turn fuel the military and in order to fuel and fund the military they need a foreign policy that forever requires a steady stream of continuing warfare war on drugs war on terror call em what u want. The American cia only agenda is simply to act on safe guarding its own foreign policy and if any democratically elected countries government should get in the way of that well fuck em they create civil war or try raise a coup to overthrow them

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Serious question to the apologists on here and others :

What's the difference between ISIS, ISIL whatever and the Nazi Third Reich?

Anything more than numbers and time?

serious question to you Canis..

where has anyone 'apologised' for the actions of IS..?

Serious answer, i mention "apologists" only. You determine which and where the cap fits. It's like dangling a fly in a stream of trout lol.

then where according to you are the apologists..

unless as usual your just chucking out some twaddle without anything to support it..?

Twaddle? The Third Reich killed large numbers of people purely for their religious beliefs, ISIS or more accurately a branch of ISLAM do precisely the same. Different methods maybe.

Maybe twaddle in your eyes but there you go. "

The Saudi state tortures and beheads more people on a monthly basis than ISIS has so far managed.

Should we be tackling them too? At least we know exactly where they are.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Serious question to the apologists on here and others :

What's the difference between ISIS, ISIL whatever and the Nazi Third Reich?

Anything more than numbers and time?

serious question to you Canis..

where has anyone 'apologised' for the actions of IS..?

Serious answer, i mention "apologists" only. You determine which and where the cap fits. It's like dangling a fly in a stream of trout lol.

then where according to you are the apologists..

unless as usual your just chucking out some twaddle without anything to support it..?

Twaddle? The Third Reich killed large numbers of people purely for their religious beliefs, ISIS or more accurately a branch of ISLAM do precisely the same. Different methods maybe.

Maybe twaddle in your eyes but there you go. "

to twaddle add hyperbole and childish flim flammery to avoid the question..

as per..

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over a year ago

Serious question to the apologists on here and others :

What's the difference between ISIS, ISIL whatever and the Nazi Third Reich?

Anything more than numbers and time?

serious question to you Canis..

where has anyone 'apologised' for the actions of IS..?

Serious answer, i mention "apologists" only. You determine which and where the cap fits. It's like dangling a fly in a stream of trout lol.

then where according to you are the apologists..

unless as usual your just chucking out some twaddle without anything to support it..?

Twaddle? The Third Reich killed large numbers of people purely for their religious beliefs, ISIS or more accurately a branch of ISLAM do precisely the same. Different methods maybe.

Maybe twaddle in your eyes but there you go.

The Saudi state tortures and beheads more people on a monthly basis than ISIS has so far managed.

Should we be tackling them too? At least we know exactly where they are."

Yes we should.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Okay, so now you think that we should go to war with Saudi Arabia?

That is more urgent than ISIS, in your _iew? They should be bombed first?

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over a year ago

Serious question to the apologists on here and others :

What's the difference between ISIS, ISIL whatever and the Nazi Third Reich?

Anything more than numbers and time?

serious question to you Canis..

where has anyone 'apologised' for the actions of IS..?

Serious answer, i mention "apologists" only. You determine which and where the cap fits. It's like dangling a fly in a stream of trout lol.

then where according to you are the apologists..

unless as usual your just chucking out some twaddle without anything to support it..?

Twaddle? The Third Reich killed large numbers of people purely for their religious beliefs, ISIS or more accurately a branch of ISLAM do precisely the same. Different methods maybe.

Maybe twaddle in your eyes but there you go.

to twaddle add hyperbole and childish flim flammery to avoid the question..

as per.."

Indeed, you're avoiding the question actually asked, so, what's the difference between the Third Reich and ISIS? As per.

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over a year ago

"Okay, so now you think that we should go to war with Saudi Arabia?

That is more urgent than ISIS, in your _iew? They should be bombed first?"

Who said war and bombing ? You asked should we tackle Saudi Arabia about their torturing and beheading , I answered yes we should.

Or do you think the answer to everything is bombs and war ? You're sounding more like a Mail reader than I.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Okay, so now you think that we should go to war with Saudi Arabia?

That is more urgent than ISIS, in your _iew? They should be bombed first?

Who said war and bombing ? You asked should we tackle Saudi Arabia about their torturing and beheading , I answered yes we should.

Or do you think the answer to everything is bombs and war ? You're sounding more like a Mail reader than I.

Well, then we need to be clear about exactly what you do mean, then. Because you keep talking about why our government should 'act' against ISIS (and now Saudi Arabia), that they shouldn't have their 'heads in the sand', that they shouldn't be 'cowardly'...and yet you are not advocating war?

By what method do you propose to be 'brave', then? Because to most governments, what you've written above implies the use of force.

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over a year ago

"Personally, unless they are 100% certain it's him, they shouldn't have named him. This just doesn't sit comfortably with me.

If it's him, I trust when caught he'll be treated the way he deserves...until then...I'll wait until it's a known fact.

So what your saying is the security services never get it wrong ? what about the shooting of brazillian student john mendez on the underground they got that wrong.

Of course they get it wrong. But I do not for one second believe that his name would have been released unless they were 100% certain and that it was done for operational purposes.

You are very credulous, then."

Maybe, but can you imagine how much shit would hit the fan if his name was released and turned out not to be true? Can you imagine the embarrassment to govt, the security services and Britain in general? His name has been released for a reason.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Think you over estimate quite severely how much they care about the embarrassment their actions may cause.

Naming him incorrectly would be nothing in comparison to the many scandals, tragedies, atrocities and mistakes our security services and country are responsible for or have been involved in. Britain seems to carry on just fine anyway.

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over a year ago

"Okay, so now you think that we should go to war with Saudi Arabia?

That is more urgent than ISIS, in your _iew? They should be bombed first?

Who said war and bombing ? You asked should we tackle Saudi Arabia about their torturing and beheading , I answered yes we should.

Or do you think the answer to everything is bombs and war ? You're sounding more like a Mail reader than I.

By what method do you propose to be 'brave', then? Because to most governments, what you've written above implies the use of force."

I believe we can take both problems independently.

I think we should use force against ISIS, not necessarily just go In and bomb the shit out of them but use guerrilla tactics and intelligence to take out strategic targets and people. Maybe a task force to protect the people they are persecuting.

The Saudi problem is a very difficult one which cannot be dealt with by war. I have no answer to this , but I'm not in the minority there.

How would you deal with ISIS . Write them a stern letter or try and insult them by mocking their choice of media outlet ?

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over a year ago

"Think you over estimate quite severely how much they care about the embarrassment their actions may cause.

So why do you think he has been named? Has MI5 picked out a random name by chance and said "that's our man?". That would be incredulous

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Okay, so now you think that we should go to war with Saudi Arabia?

That is more urgent than ISIS, in your _iew? They should be bombed first?

Who said war and bombing ? You asked should we tackle Saudi Arabia about their torturing and beheading , I answered yes we should.

Or do you think the answer to everything is bombs and war ? You're sounding more like a Mail reader than I.

By what method do you propose to be 'brave', then? Because to most governments, what you've written above implies the use of force.

I believe we can take both problems independently.

The Saudi problem is a very difficult one which cannot be dealt with by war. I have no answer to this , but I'm not in the minority there.

How would you deal with ISIS . Write them a stern letter or try and insult them by mocking their choice of media outlet ? "

I'be already stated what my solution would be. You can read it above.

Regarding your 'solution', it's in the realm of fantasy. Like it or not, we don't have magic teams of super soldiers who can teleport around the Middle East protecting and eliminating at will.

What we do have is bombers, and traditional ground forces. Use of either guarantees inflaming the region, boosting recruitment for ISIS, radicalising many more people, and making the situation worse.

Of course, this is exactly what ISIS wants. They need an external enemy. Every beheading is just an invitation for the media to use people like you to encourage governments like ours to continue to make the same mistakes they always have.

So you are really a supporter of ISIS. How does that feel?

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over a year ago

Anyone mentionned Yemen yet?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Think you over estimate quite severely how much they care about the embarrassment their actions may cause.

So why do you think he has been named? Has MI5 picked out a random name by chance and said "that's our man?". That would be incredulous

They may have the right man. They may think they have the right man and be mistaken. They may name someone they know is not the right man, for reasons that they deem to be beneficial.

Who knows? The 100% certainty was from you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Serious question to the apologists on here and others :

What's the difference between ISIS, ISIL whatever and the Nazi Third Reich?

Anything more than numbers and time?

serious question to you Canis..

where has anyone 'apologised' for the actions of IS..?

Serious answer, i mention "apologists" only. You determine which and where the cap fits. It's like dangling a fly in a stream of trout lol.

then where according to you are the apologists..

unless as usual your just chucking out some twaddle without anything to support it..?

Twaddle? The Third Reich killed large numbers of people purely for their religious beliefs, ISIS or more accurately a branch of ISLAM do precisely the same. Different methods maybe.

Maybe twaddle in your eyes but there you go.

The Saudi state tortures and beheads more people on a monthly basis than ISIS has so far managed.

Should we be tackling them too? At least we know exactly where they are."

absolutely not after all its us the west that sells em there swords and bombs etc etc..in return we get some oil

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over a year ago

"Think you over estimate quite severely how much they care about the embarrassment their actions may cause.

So why do you think he has been named? Has MI5 picked out a random name by chance and said "that's our man?". That would be incredulous

They may have the right man. They may think they have the right man and be mistaken. They may name someone they know is not the right man, for reasons that they deem to be beneficial.

Who knows? The 100% certainty was from you."

Time will tell.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Hopefully the Americans or the Kurds will get to him first."

Sooner jihadi John is no longer walking the face of the earth the better.

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over a year ago

"Okay, so now you think that we should go to war with Saudi Arabia?

That is more urgent than ISIS, in your _iew? They should be bombed first?

Who said war and bombing ? You asked should we tackle Saudi Arabia about their torturing and beheading , I answered yes we should.

Or do you think the answer to everything is bombs and war ? You're sounding more like a Mail reader than I.

By what method do you propose to be 'brave', then? Because to most governments, what you've written above implies the use of force.

I believe we can take both problems independently.

The Saudi problem is a very difficult one which cannot be dealt with by war. I have no answer to this , but I'm not in the minority there.

How would you deal with ISIS . Write them a stern letter or try and insult them by mocking their choice of media outlet ?

I'be already stated what my solution would be. You can read it above.

Regarding your 'solution', it's in the realm of fantasy. Like it or not, we don't have magic teams of super soldiers who can teleport around the Middle East protecting and eliminating at will.

What we do have is bombers, and traditional ground forces. Use of either guarantees inflaming the region, boosting recruitment for ISIS, radicalising many more people, and making the situation worse.

So you are really a supporter of ISIS. How does that feel?"

I believe it is you who is the fantasist. Let's ignore it and we'll all be ok.

But I can't fathom out why you have chosen to try and belittle me for having an opposing _iew to yours. The Middle East is a centuries old problem that will not be settled in our lifetime. I have expressed the _iew that I would rather tackle ISIS head on , you disagree that's fair. But let's not lower it to insults.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Okay, so now you think that we should go to war with Saudi Arabia?

That is more urgent than ISIS, in your _iew? They should be bombed first?

Who said war and bombing ? You asked should we tackle Saudi Arabia about their torturing and beheading , I answered yes we should.

Or do you think the answer to everything is bombs and war ? You're sounding more like a Mail reader than I.

By what method do you propose to be 'brave', then? Because to most governments, what you've written above implies the use of force.

I believe we can take both problems independently.

The Saudi problem is a very difficult one which cannot be dealt with by war. I have no answer to this , but I'm not in the minority there.

How would you deal with ISIS . Write them a stern letter or try and insult them by mocking their choice of media outlet ?

I'be already stated what my solution would be. You can read it above.

Regarding your 'solution', it's in the realm of fantasy. Like it or not, we don't have magic teams of super soldiers who can teleport around the Middle East protecting and eliminating at will.

What we do have is bombers, and traditional ground forces. Use of either guarantees inflaming the region, boosting recruitment for ISIS, radicalising many more people, and making the situation worse.

So you are really a supporter of ISIS. How does that feel?

I believe it is you who is the fantasist. Let's ignore it and we'll all be ok.

Sorry, really don't think you've been insulted anywhere.

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over a year ago

I personally think we should leave them all to it, and pull all our troops out of everywhere and bring them back as border security. Let them slaughter as many of each other as possible - less shit in the world will make it smell a whole lot nicer. Then bomb the fuck out of the winners, just in case they're a future threat to the UK in any way, shape or form.

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over a year ago

"Okay, so now you think that we should go to war with Saudi Arabia?

That is more urgent than ISIS, in your _iew? They should be bombed first?

Who said war and bombing ? You asked should we tackle Saudi Arabia about their torturing and beheading , I answered yes we should.

Or do you think the answer to everything is bombs and war ? You're sounding more like a Mail reader than I.

By what method do you propose to be 'brave', then? Because to most governments, what you've written above implies the use of force.

I believe we can take both problems independently.

The Saudi problem is a very difficult one which cannot be dealt with by war. I have no answer to this , but I'm not in the minority there.

How would you deal with ISIS . Write them a stern letter or try and insult them by mocking their choice of media outlet ?

I'be already stated what my solution would be. You can read it above.

Regarding your 'solution', it's in the realm of fantasy. Like it or not, we don't have magic teams of super soldiers who can teleport around the Middle East protecting and eliminating at will.

What we do have is bombers, and traditional ground forces. Use of either guarantees inflaming the region, boosting recruitment for ISIS, radicalising many more people, and making the situation worse.

So you are really a supporter of ISIS. How does that feel?

I believe it is you who is the fantasist. Let's ignore it and we'll all be ok.

Sorry, really don't think you've been insulted anywhere."

Throwing out the tired insult of daily mail reader.

Living in the realms of fantasy

The media uses people like me

I'm a supporter of ISIS

How does that feel. Quite insulting really.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Okay, so now you think that we should go to war with Saudi Arabia?

That is more urgent than ISIS, in your _iew? They should be bombed first?

Who said war and bombing ? You asked should we tackle Saudi Arabia about their torturing and beheading , I answered yes we should.

Or do you think the answer to everything is bombs and war ? You're sounding more like a Mail reader than I.

By what method do you propose to be 'brave', then? Because to most governments, what you've written above implies the use of force.

I believe we can take both problems independently.

The Saudi problem is a very difficult one which cannot be dealt with by war. I have no answer to this , but I'm not in the minority there.

How would you deal with ISIS . Write them a stern letter or try and insult them by mocking their choice of media outlet ?

I'be already stated what my solution would be. You can read it above.

Regarding your 'solution', it's in the realm of fantasy. Like it or not, we don't have magic teams of super soldiers who can teleport around the Middle East protecting and eliminating at will.

What we do have is bombers, and traditional ground forces. Use of either guarantees inflaming the region, boosting recruitment for ISIS, radicalising many more people, and making the situation worse.

So you are really a supporter of ISIS. How does that feel?

I believe it is you who is the fantasist. Let's ignore it and we'll all be ok.

Sorry, really don't think you've been insulted anywhere.

Throwing out the tired insult of daily mail reader.

Living in the realms of fantasy

The media uses people like me

I'm a supporter of ISIS

How does that feel. Quite insulting really. "

Apologies if that has offended you, it wasn't the intention at all. Hopefully it has given you some pause for thought, though.

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over a year ago

"Okay, so now you think that we should go to war with Saudi Arabia?

That is more urgent than ISIS, in your _iew? They should be bombed first?

Who said war and bombing ? You asked should we tackle Saudi Arabia about their torturing and beheading , I answered yes we should.

Or do you think the answer to everything is bombs and war ? You're sounding more like a Mail reader than I.

By what method do you propose to be 'brave', then? Because to most governments, what you've written above implies the use of force.

I believe we can take both problems independently.

The Saudi problem is a very difficult one which cannot be dealt with by war. I have no answer to this , but I'm not in the minority there.

How would you deal with ISIS . Write them a stern letter or try and insult them by mocking their choice of media outlet ?

I'be already stated what my solution would be. You can read it above.

Regarding your 'solution', it's in the realm of fantasy. Like it or not, we don't have magic teams of super soldiers who can teleport around the Middle East protecting and eliminating at will.

What we do have is bombers, and traditional ground forces. Use of either guarantees inflaming the region, boosting recruitment for ISIS, radicalising many more people, and making the situation worse.

So you are really a supporter of ISIS. How does that feel?

I believe it is you who is the fantasist. Let's ignore it and we'll all be ok.

Sorry, really don't think you've been insulted anywhere.

Throwing out the tired insult of daily mail reader.

Living in the realms of fantasy

The media uses people like me

I'm a supporter of ISIS

How does that feel. Quite insulting really.

Apologies if that has offended you, it wasn't the intention at all. Hopefully it has given you some pause for thought, though."

I've thought , re read the thread , paused , and still have the same _iew.

I just don't think ISIS is a problem we can ignore. Do I have a solution ? No. But I really do think if we don't try and tackle it they will escalate and get more dangerous.

And I can see the comparison another poster made between the Nazis and ISIS, we managed to stop one I'm hoping we can stop the other.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Please, please, please don't let the British 'justice' system deal with him. Leave him for the Americans

Lol..i love these 'insights'.

So do I; especially from the super-intelligent

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over a year ago

"Hopefully the Americans or the Kurds will get to him first.

Sooner jihadi John is no longer walking the face of the earth the better. "

problem is theres thousands of future potential jihadi johns in a town near us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would cutting off his cock and balls and feeding them to a pig in front of him upset his plans for his future in paradise with the virgins?

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over a year ago

"Would cutting off his cock and balls and feeding them to a pig in front of him upset his plans for his future in paradise with the virgins?"

How did you become so radicalised? Where did you learn such radical _iews?

How do we stop others adopting your ideas?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Okay, so now you think that we should go to war with Saudi Arabia?

That is more urgent than ISIS, in your _iew? They should be bombed first?

Who said war and bombing ? You asked should we tackle Saudi Arabia about their torturing and beheading , I answered yes we should.

Or do you think the answer to everything is bombs and war ? You're sounding more like a Mail reader than I.

By what method do you propose to be 'brave', then? Because to most governments, what you've written above implies the use of force.

I believe we can take both problems independently.

The Saudi problem is a very difficult one which cannot be dealt with by war. I have no answer to this , but I'm not in the minority there.

How would you deal with ISIS . Write them a stern letter or try and insult them by mocking their choice of media outlet ?

I'be already stated what my solution would be. You can read it above.

Regarding your 'solution', it's in the realm of fantasy. Like it or not, we don't have magic teams of super soldiers who can teleport around the Middle East protecting and eliminating at will.

What we do have is bombers, and traditional ground forces. Use of either guarantees inflaming the region, boosting recruitment for ISIS, radicalising many more people, and making the situation worse.

So you are really a supporter of ISIS. How does that feel?

I believe it is you who is the fantasist. Let's ignore it and we'll all be ok.

Sorry, really don't think you've been insulted anywhere.

Throwing out the tired insult of daily mail reader.

Living in the realms of fantasy

The media uses people like me

I'm a supporter of ISIS

How does that feel. Quite insulting really.

Apologies if that has offended you, it wasn't the intention at all. Hopefully it has given you some pause for thought, though.

I've thought , re read the thread , paused , and still have the same _iew.

I just don't think ISIS is a problem we can ignore. Do I have a solution ? No. But I really do think if we don't try and tackle it they will escalate and get more dangerous.

And I can see the comparison another poster made between the Nazis and ISIS, we managed to stop one I'm hoping we can stop the other. "

There is n comparison between ISIS and the Third Reich. It's a completely facile attempt at analogy.

And of course if we do nothing about ISIS things will get escalate and they will become more dangerous. It is going to become a nightmare over there, beyond what we have already seen, for decades to come.

However, if we do get involved, if we do 'try to tackle it', it will be far, far worse, for far, far longer. The lessons are there in history, they are plain for all to see. And it's practically guaranteed that those lessons will be completely ignored, yet again.

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over a year ago

I've thought , re read the thread , paused , and still have the same _iew.

I just don't think ISIS is a problem we can ignore. Do I have a solution ? No. But I really do think if we don't try and tackle it they will escalate and get more dangerous.

And I can see the comparison another poster made between the Nazis and ISIS, we managed to stop one I'm hoping we can stop the other. "

I respect your opinion and the way you've argued it. I do though disagree that we the West should be spearheading this conflict with ISIS.

Christianity had its internal conflict between protestants and catholics for centuries. There is currently an internal conflict between the different factions of Islam. Shi'a, Sunni, Wasabi etc are battling for the direction of Islam and the Christian West are complicating matters further by being there.

We provide them with a common enemy. Sadly a long term solution can only be determined by allowing them to have their internal struggle.

Christianity had its struggle, Islam will have theirs. In an ideal world we could help them avoid it, but the world is not ideal.

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over a year ago

"Would cutting off his cock and balls and feeding them to a pig in front of him upset his plans for his future in paradise with the virgins?

How did you become so radicalised? Where did you learn such radical _iews?

How do we stop others adopting your ideas?"
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Now that made me chuckle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why worry, the Peshmerga will deal with all of them...they have a great axe to grind then us... and they are tougher then all of us together..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

May I add.

If we get off this reliance on oil supertanker that's uncontrollable, it might help in lots of ways you never expected?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh yes.... Vote green

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over a year ago

"Think you over estimate quite severely how much they care about the embarrassment their actions may cause.

So why do you think he has been named? Has MI5 picked out a random name by chance and said "that's our man?". That would be incredulous

nothing is beyond the realms of incredulous I remember the Olympics held here and the government considering putting surface to air missiles on public buildings just in case alqeida wanted to crash land an airliner into the stadium ..how shooting down th plane over densely populated areas was gonna work I dunno lol. You never know but no body or group can get everything right all the time

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over a year ago

"Think you over estimate quite severely how much they care about the embarrassment their actions may cause.

So why do you think he has been named? Has MI5 picked out a random name by chance and said "that's our man?". That would be incredulous

Yeah ...I mean it's not like there'd just shoot some Brazilian electrician running for a train with some earth sleeving hanging out of his pants... I mean that's so obviously a terrorist

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over a year ago

"Think you over estimate quite severely how much they care about the embarrassment their actions may cause.

So why do you think he has been named? Has MI5 picked out a random name by chance and said "that's our man?". That would be incredulous

Yeah ...I mean it's not like there'd just shoot some Brazilian electrician running for a train with some earth sleeving hanging out of his pants... I mean that's so obviously a terrorist

u never know secret service ops could have there own lotto raffle ...it could be you

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over a year ago

"Think you over estimate quite severely how much they care about the embarrassment their actions may cause.

So why do you think he has been named? Has MI5 picked out a random name by chance and said "that's our man?". That would be incredulous

Yeah ...I mean it's not like there'd just shoot some Brazilian electrician running for a train with some earth sleeving hanging out of his pants... I mean that's so obviously a terrorist

not sure if your being funny but jean mendez was the innocent Brazilian student shot dead on the underground by anti terror police ...he was wrongly identified on wrong intelligence as for as you say earth sleeving hanging out of his pants that's simply and completly untrue but u believe what you want and ile believe what I want

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The question is do we keep being a tolerant nation , turning the other cheek ?

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over a year ago

"Think you over estimate quite severely how much they care about the embarrassment their actions may cause.

So why do you think he has been named? Has MI5 picked out a random name by chance and said "that's our man?". That would be incredulous

Yeah ...I mean it's not like there'd just shoot some Brazilian electrician running for a train with some earth sleeving hanging out of his pants... I mean that's so obviously a terrorist

"
yeah I know!!.

It wasn't a bleeding guess that they might pick on Brazilian electricians

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over a year ago

"Think you over estimate quite severely how much they care about the embarrassment their actions may cause.

So why do you think he has been named? Has MI5 picked out a random name by chance and said "that's our man?". That would be incredulous

Yeah ...I mean it's not like there'd just shoot some Brazilian electrician running for a train with some earth sleeving hanging out of his pants... I mean that's so obviously a terrorist

yeah I know!!.

It wasn't a bleeding guess that they might pick on Brazilian electricians

arrr I get ya I think I must get that hamster powering me brain to run faster.

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over a year ago

I was meaning the intelligence people don't always get it right!.

The wires hanging out of his pocket was the excuse they used at the time of shooting him!

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over a year ago

"I was meaning the intelligence people don't always get it right!.

The wires hanging out of his pocket was the excuse they used at the time of shooting him!"

yeah I agree the intelligence services got it woefully wrong leading to them summarily executing an innocent man but then again the police are the largest organised crime family law unto themselves. they have a habit of shooting dead unarmed people even got there own independent complaints procedure to get away with it although how they can call there own complaints procedure independent when there investigating themselves does baffle me bit like a criminal carrying out his own trial isn't it

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over a year ago

"I was meaning the intelligence people don't always get it right!.

The wires hanging out of his pocket was the excuse they used at the time of shooting him!"

I thought the reason was that they followed the wrong guy out of the wrong house??

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over a year ago

"I was meaning the intelligence people don't always get it right!.

The wires hanging out of his pocket was the excuse they used at the time of shooting him!

I thought the reason was that they followed the wrong guy out of the wrong house??"
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Well yeah it was multiple failure at all levels wrong house, information not passed from one team to another.

The wire was one that the news picked up on shortly afterwards and broadcast.... Like suicide bombers are a bit disheveled and in a rush forgot to tuck them out of the way!.

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over a year ago

"Who gave him the name John?

Some hostages that were freed ages ago spoke how him and some other british ISIS members jokingly referred to themselves as the beetles cos of their british backgrounds.

Stupid really and insulting to john Lennon!

Well, that really got to the heart of the issue!

What the fuck you on about!? Someone asked where the nickname John came from so I answered.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Language, Timothy!

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over a year ago

"I was meaning the intelligence people don't always get it right!.

The wires hanging out of his pocket was the excuse they used at the time of shooting him!

I thought the reason was that they followed the wrong guy out of the wrong house??"

Plus the fact it was 2 weeks after the 7/7 terrorist attack on the tubes and buses so security forces were ummm, what's the right word? Paranoid maybe!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was meaning the intelligence people don't always get it right!.

The wires hanging out of his pocket was the excuse they used at the time of shooting him!

I thought the reason was that they followed the wrong guy out of the wrong house??

Plus the fact it was 2 weeks after the 7/7 terrorist attack on the tubes and buses so security forces were ummm, what's the right word? Paranoid maybe!"
.Paranoid maybe but...

It can't of come as a big shock to them on 7/7 though!.

I seem to remember they were practising for that exact scenario on the morning of 7/7

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was meaning the intelligence people don't always get it right!.

The wires hanging out of his pocket was the excuse they used at the time of shooting him!

I thought the reason was that they followed the wrong guy out of the wrong house??

Plus the fact it was 2 weeks after the 7/7 terrorist attack on the tubes and buses so security forces were ummm, what's the right word? Paranoid maybe!"

or maybe the word your looking for are clueless incompetent negligent in having the correct intelligence leading to them commiting a public execution on an innocent man ...if anybodies paranoid the last thing they should be in possession of is a firearm ,,especially including armed response ide also take taser guns of them ..hell they cant even distinguish the difference between a blind man with a white guide stick without mistaking him for carrying a samuri sword

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"Okay, so now you think that we should go to war with Saudi Arabia?

That is more urgent than ISIS, in your _iew? They should be bombed first?

Who said war and bombing ? You asked should we tackle Saudi Arabia about their torturing and beheading , I answered yes we should.

Or do you think the answer to everything is bombs and war ? You're sounding more like a Mail reader than I.

By what method do you propose to be 'brave', then? Because to most governments, what you've written above implies the use of force.

I believe we can take both problems independently.

The Saudi problem is a very difficult one which cannot be dealt with by war. I have no answer to this , but I'm not in the minority there.

How would you deal with ISIS . Write them a stern letter or try and insult them by mocking their choice of media outlet ?

I'be already stated what my solution would be. You can read it above.

Regarding your 'solution', it's in the realm of fantasy. Like it or not, we don't have magic teams of super soldiers who can teleport around the Middle East protecting and eliminating at will.

What we do have is bombers, and traditional ground forces. Use of either guarantees inflaming the region, boosting recruitment for ISIS, radicalising many more people, and making the situation worse.

So you are really a supporter of ISIS. How does that feel?

I believe it is you who is the fantasist. Let's ignore it and we'll all be ok.

Sorry, really don't think you've been insulted anywhere.

Throwing out the tired insult of daily mail reader.

Living in the realms of fantasy

The media uses people like me

I'm a supporter of ISIS

How does that feel. Quite insulting really.

Apologies if that has offended you, it wasn't the intention at all. Hopefully it has given you some pause for thought, though.

I've thought , re read the thread , paused , and still have the same _iew.

I just don't think ISIS is a problem we can ignore. Do I have a solution ? No. But I really do think if we don't try and tackle it they will escalate and get more dangerous.

And I can see the comparison another poster made between the Nazis and ISIS, we managed to stop one I'm hoping we can stop the other.

There is n comparison between ISIS and the Third Reich. It's a completely facile attempt at analogy.

The third reich were much better dressed...lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Okay, so now you think that we should go to war with Saudi Arabia?

That is more urgent than ISIS, in your _iew? They should be bombed first?

Who said war and bombing ? You asked should we tackle Saudi Arabia about their torturing and beheading , I answered yes we should.

Or do you think the answer to everything is bombs and war ? You're sounding more like a Mail reader than I.

By what method do you propose to be 'brave', then? Because to most governments, what you've written above implies the use of force.

I believe we can take both problems independently.

The Saudi problem is a very difficult one which cannot be dealt with by war. I have no answer to this , but I'm not in the minority there.

How would you deal with ISIS . Write them a stern letter or try and insult them by mocking their choice of media outlet ?

I'be already stated what my solution would be. You can read it above.

Regarding your 'solution', it's in the realm of fantasy. Like it or not, we don't have magic teams of super soldiers who can teleport around the Middle East protecting and eliminating at will.

What we do have is bombers, and traditional ground forces. Use of either guarantees inflaming the region, boosting recruitment for ISIS, radicalising many more people, and making the situation worse.

So you are really a supporter of ISIS. How does that feel?

I believe it is you who is the fantasist. Let's ignore it and we'll all be ok.

Sorry, really don't think you've been insulted anywhere.

Throwing out the tired insult of daily mail reader.

Living in the realms of fantasy

The media uses people like me

I'm a supporter of ISIS

How does that feel. Quite insulting really.

Apologies if that has offended you, it wasn't the intention at all. Hopefully it has given you some pause for thought, though.

I've thought , re read the thread , paused , and still have the same _iew.

I just don't think ISIS is a problem we can ignore. Do I have a solution ? No. But I really do think if we don't try and tackle it they will escalate and get more dangerous.

And I can see the comparison another poster made between the Nazis and ISIS, we managed to stop one I'm hoping we can stop the other.

There is n comparison between ISIS and the Third Reich. It's a completely facile attempt at analogy.

The third reich were much better dressed...lol"

what were the history lessons ive forgotten

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"no method or prolonged painful torture prior to his death is really going to put right what he did.

revenge ..an eye for an eye is a very fleeting emotion that leaves a much longer empty feeling.

Then whens he is rehabilitated and truly repentant start by sticking his balls in an egg slicer

I'd sew the traitorous wretch into a pig skin and continually batter him with a ham shank.

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over a year ago

I'd sew the traitorous wretch into a pig skin and continually batter him with a ham shank."

How did you become so radicalised? How can we guard against others thinking like you?

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I'd sew the traitorous wretch into a pig skin and continually batter him with a ham shank.

How did you become so radicalised? How can we guard against others thinking like you?"

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

I'd sew the traitorous wretch into a pig skin and continually batter him with a ham shank.

How did you become so radicalised? How can we guard against others thinking like you?"

I find it funny how many people continue to believe that the way to deal with those who use violence to impose their will on others is to turn the other cheek or use the minimum amount of force needed to protect ones self, when all the evidence throughout history is that the only way to successfully combat forces of evil is to eradicate them and make those who would follow the same path so frightened of what will happen to them that they choose not to follow a violent path.

Maybe ISIS and Putin are right and we have become so decadent no longer have the will to do what is required to stay free and deserve to be enslaved by them...

I notice that ISIS are not attacking the Russians or Chinese. Could this be because they know that Russia and China would wipe them out?

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

when all the evidence throughout history is that the only way to successfully combat forces of evil is to eradicate them and make those who would follow the same path so frightened of what will happen to them that they choose not to follow a violent path.

So if we are to 'eradicate' people who we believe to be a threat, does that make us extremists, too?

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

So if we are to 'eradicate' people who we believe to be a threat, does that make us extremists, too? "

No, that is called self-defence. They started this first; up to us to end it

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

So if we are to 'eradicate' people who we believe to be a threat, does that make us extremists, too? "

Is enlightened self interest extreme? At times maybe. However remember that those I would eradicate would have no hesitation in killing every user of this site, and your (and my) method of execution would be to be thrown from a high place or burned to death. While for those classed as adulterers the women get stoned to death and the men just get beheaded!

As I say I find it funny how many here feel that we need to turn the other cheek and not eradicate ISIS and all they stand for.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

So if we are to 'eradicate' people who we believe to be a threat, does that make us extremists, too? "

some would believe that those thinking differently to 'us', whomever that is are also a threat..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd sew the traitorous wretch into a pig skin and continually batter him with a ham shank.

How did you become so radicalised? How can we guard against others thinking like you?

Maybe ISIS and Putin are right and we have become so decadent no longer have the will to do what is required to stay free and deserve to be enslaved by them...

I notice that ISIS are not attacking the Russians or Chinese. Could this be because they know that Russia and China would wipe them out?"

"...eradicate them and make those who would follow the same path so frightened of what will happen to them"

Do you realise just how extreme you sound in your post? I can imagine someone like 'Jihadi John' using the same words whilst carrying out beheadings.

In the context you use the word, you appear to want to combat evil by becoming evil.

Russia and China are not bombing ISIS. I'm not sure that either have ever been overtly involved militarily in the middle east. They certainly haven't been involved in the oil grab! That's why ISIS haven't attacked them. Are you beginning to see why ISIS sees us as an enemy?

Gandhi, Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela in his later years may have had an idea of how to deal with 'evil', but they're pages seem to have been torn out of your history books.

I sincerely hope your extremist _iews do not prevail.

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