Join us FREE, we're FREE to use
Web's largest swingers site since 2006.
Already registered?
Login here
Join us FREE, we're FREE to use
Web's largest swingers site since 2006.
Already registered?
Login here
 | Back to forum list |
| Back to The Lounge |
| Jump to newest |  |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Strong suspicion that the powers that be will be trying to supress information - why delay till after the election otherwise? And yes, always doubted the whole business over David Kelly. Wasn't he supposed to have gone to the middle of a field, taken an overdose AND slashed his wrists, if memory serves me well? Odd, to say the least" good point I forgot about the elections looming in May yes his death is very odd up there with the suicide of Gary Webb who shot himself twice in the head for exposing the cia flooding its own citizens with crack cocaine to fund buying arms for the Nicaraguan contra rebels to overthrow the nic government in power at the time | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
 | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"so what was the question ?" do u think the eventual published report will be a cover up / whitewash | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"with the numerous times the public report into the chilcot enquiry gets delayed in relation to investigating the invasion of Iraq it does make me think that all were gonna get in the end is a complete white wash. I never expected anything different really its just a shame for the family of David Kelly (wmd inspector) who refused to be bullied by Tony Blair and Alistar Cambell into lying that there was wmds in Iraq when as proved later there wasn't. Personally I don't swallow the he committed suicide his death at the time was very convienient for the pro lets invade Iraq lobby. " Responsibility for the death of David Kelly lies with Tony Blair. That man was hung out to dry as a scapegoat. Politics aside, the way that Dr Kelly was treated and his subsequent death is a stain that will never really be washed away. I also think that the Chilcott enquiry will be a whitewash. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"with the numerous times the public report into the chilcot enquiry gets delayed in relation to investigating the invasion of Iraq it does make me think that all were gonna get in the end is a complete white wash. I never expected anything different really its just a shame for the family of David Kelly (wmd inspector) who refused to be bullied by Tony Blair and Alistar Cambell into lying that there was wmds in Iraq when as proved later there wasn't. Personally I don't swallow the he committed suicide his death at the time was very convienient for the pro lets invade Iraq lobby. Responsibility for the death of David Kelly lies with Tony Blair. That man was hung out to dry as a scapegoat. Politics aside, the way that Dr Kelly was treated and his subsequent death is a stain that will never really be washed away. I also think that the Chilcott enquiry will be a whitewash. " heard on the news that every time the panel try to get blair to attend hes always to busy to attend due to business commitments and err doing his peace envoy to the middle east bit...how he got that fuck knows bit like giving the nobel prize to pol pot for acts towards humanity | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"the truth is what the powers that control the truth wish it to be. what do you expect? there are files not to be seen since ww2. go back further and messages between the admiralty and the lusitania are still being kept secret." who are the Lusitania ?? I always though the real powers that choose and put governments in power were the bankers who in turn own the oil companies ..who in turn fuel the military | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"who are the Lusitania ?? I always though the real powers that choose and put governments in power were the bankers who in turn own the oil companies ..who in turn fuel the military " Brilliant post, my only criticism is that the banks own everything (they have used our deposits to buy them) not just the worlds governments and oil companies. As for the Lusitania, it was carrying ammunitions and was therefore a legitimate military target. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"who are the Lusitania ?? I always though the real powers that choose and put governments in power were the bankers who in turn own the oil companies ..who in turn fuel the military Brilliant post, my only criticism is that the banks own everything (they have used our deposits to buy them) not just the worlds governments and oil companies. As for the Lusitania, it was carrying ammunitions and was therefore a legitimate military target. " Yeah - but who sunk it? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"who are the Lusitania ?? I always though the real powers that choose and put governments in power were the bankers who in turn own the oil companies ..who in turn fuel the military Brilliant post, my only criticism is that the banks own everything (they have used our deposits to buy them) not just the worlds governments and oil companies. As for the Lusitania, it was carrying ammunitions and was therefore a legitimate military target. Yeah - but who sunk it? " the sinking still remains a mystery however its sinking certainly did galvanise public opinion in getting the majority of the populace to go and join up to fight the germans in the 1st world war. could it be that the allies sunk there own cruise liner to galvanise public opinion? In the 1980s the cia wanted to carry out a coup in Nicaragua but were refused arms funding to supply there contra rebels by there own government. So in order to carry out there own agenda they took to flooding there own country with crack cocaine and used the profits made from drug dealing to buy arms for the contra rebels in the hope they could put in puppet more usa friendly government. The political soundbite back then under the Reagan Regime was "The War on Drugs," 20 years later we now have "The war on terror." Taking into account the cia flooded its own country with crack cocaine is it such a crazy notion that the cia may well be responsible for the twin towers attack ? it certainly got them what they wanted ie the war on terror? why did it suddenly become ok for usa to send out special force death squads they cud easily have taken bin laden alive ....but imagine if theu did and put him on trial in front of the world and bin laden turned round and said he had nothing to do with it as he was at home at the time watching corrie with his family ?? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"who are the Lusitania ?? I always though the real powers that choose and put governments in power were the bankers who in turn own the oil companies ..who in turn fuel the military Brilliant post, my only criticism is that the banks own everything (they have used our deposits to buy them) not just the worlds governments and oil companies. As for the Lusitania, it was carrying ammunitions and was therefore a legitimate military target. Yeah - but who sunk it? the sinking still remains a mystery however its sinking certainly did galvanise public opinion in getting the majority of the populace to go and join up to fight the germans in the 1st world war. could it be that the allies sunk there own cruise liner to galvanise public opinion? In the 1980s the cia wanted to carry out a coup in Nicaragua but were refused arms funding to supply there contra rebels by there own government. So in order to carry out there own agenda they took to flooding there own country with crack cocaine and used the profits made from drug dealing to buy arms for the contra rebels in the hope they could put in puppet more usa friendly government. The political soundbite back then under the Reagan Regime was "The War on Drugs," 20 years later we now have "The war on terror." Taking into account the cia flooded its own country with crack cocaine is it such a crazy notion that the cia may well be responsible for the twin towers attack ? it certainly got them what they wanted ie the war on terror? why did it suddenly become ok for usa to send out special force death squads they cud easily have taken bin laden alive ....but imagine if theu did and put him on trial in front of the world and bin laden turned round and said he had nothing to do with it as he was at home at the time watching corrie with his family ?? " The American Cia pushed crack cocaine on there own citizens to fund buying arms? what utter rubbish. Yet another fantasist crack pot conspiracy theorist | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"who are the Lusitania ?? I always though the real powers that choose and put governments in power were the bankers who in turn own the oil companies ..who in turn fuel the military Brilliant post, my only criticism is that the banks own everything (they have used our deposits to buy them) not just the worlds governments and oil companies. As for the Lusitania, it was carrying ammunitions and was therefore a legitimate military target. Yeah - but who sunk it? the sinking still remains a mystery however its sinking certainly did galvanise public opinion in getting the majority of the populace to go and join up to fight the germans in the 1st world war. could it be that the allies sunk there own cruise liner to galvanise public opinion? In the 1980s the cia wanted to carry out a coup in Nicaragua but were refused arms funding to supply there contra rebels by there own government. So in order to carry out there own agenda they took to flooding there own country with crack cocaine and used the profits made from drug dealing to buy arms for the contra rebels in the hope they could put in puppet more usa friendly government. The political soundbite back then under the Reagan Regime was "The War on Drugs," 20 years later we now have "The war on terror." Taking into account the cia flooded its own country with crack cocaine is it such a crazy notion that the cia may well be responsible for the twin towers attack ? it certainly got them what they wanted ie the war on terror? why did it suddenly become ok for usa to send out special force death squads they cud easily have taken bin laden alive ....but imagine if theu did and put him on trial in front of the world and bin laden turned round and said he had nothing to do with it as he was at home at the time watching corrie with his family ?? The American Cia pushed crack cocaine on there own citizens to fund buying arms? what utter rubbish. Yet another fantasist crack pot conspiracy theorist " Not so much a conspiracy as more a fact reported on at the time by a journalist called Gary Webb. There is a film about it out called Shoot The Messanger starring Jeremy Renner as Gary Webb. After the cia director retired and some time after webs suicide from shooting himself twice in the head..the retired cia director came out the closet to confirm webs journalist report that indeed the cia were involved in the flooding of crack cocaine into its own country. whose the crackpot again exactly  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" In the 1980s the cia wanted to carry out a coup in Nicaragua but were refused arms funding to supply there contra rebels by there own government. So in order to carry out there own agenda they took to flooding there own country with crack cocaine and used the profits made from drug dealing to buy arms for the contra rebels in the hope they could put in puppet more usa friendly government. The political soundbite back then under the Reagan Regime was "The War on Drugs," 20 years later we now have "The war on terror." Taking into account the cia flooded its own country with crack cocaine is it such a crazy notion that the cia may well be responsible for the twin towers attack ? it certainly got them what they wanted ie the war on terror? why did it suddenly become ok for usa to send out special force death squads they cud easily have taken bin laden alive ....but imagine if theu did and put him on trial in front of the world and bin laden turned round and said he had nothing to do with it as he was at home at the time watching corrie with his family ?? The American Cia pushed crack cocaine on there own citizens to fund buying arms? what utter rubbish. Yet another fantasist crack pot conspiracy theorist " I think it was called the Contra scandal and occurred during Reagan's administration. I'm not an expert on it though.... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" In the 1980s the cia wanted to carry out a coup in Nicaragua but were refused arms funding to supply there contra rebels by there own government. So in order to carry out there own agenda they took to flooding there own country with crack cocaine and used the profits made from drug dealing to buy arms for the contra rebels in the hope they could put in puppet more usa friendly government. The political soundbite back then under the Reagan Regime was "The War on Drugs," 20 years later we now have "The war on terror." Taking into account the cia flooded its own country with crack cocaine is it such a crazy notion that the cia may well be responsible for the twin towers attack ? it certainly got them what they wanted ie the war on terror? why did it suddenly become ok for usa to send out special force death squads they cud easily have taken bin laden alive ....but imagine if theu did and put him on trial in front of the world and bin laden turned round and said he had nothing to do with it as he was at home at the time watching corrie with his family ?? The American Cia pushed crack cocaine on there own citizens to fund buying arms? what utter rubbish. Yet another fantasist crack pot conspiracy theorist I think it was called the Contra scandal and occurred during Reagan's administration. I'm not an expert on it though.... " correct Reagans title for it was the war on drugs turned out he wasn't aware that his own intelligence secret service agency were the biggest drug pushers in American history ,,instead of titling it the war on drugs he should have retitles it war on our own intelligence agency. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Not so much a conspiracy as more a fact reported on at the time by a journalist called Gary Webb. There is a film about it out called Shoot The Messanger starring Jeremy Renner as Gary Webb. After the cia director retired and some time after webs suicide from shooting himself twice in the head..the retired cia director came out the closet to confirm webs journalist report that indeed the cia were involved in the flooding of crack cocaine into its own country. " Webb's assertions were not deemed to be facts by many including his own paper who moved him after several investigations into his claims showed to be not proven.. who was the cia director you refer to and have you a link to his input..? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Not so much a conspiracy as more a fact reported on at the time by a journalist called Gary Webb. There is a film about it out called Shoot The Messanger starring Jeremy Renner as Gary Webb. After the cia director retired and some time after webs suicide from shooting himself twice in the head..the retired cia director came out the closet to confirm webs journalist report that indeed the cia were involved in the flooding of crack cocaine into its own country. Webb's assertions were not deemed to be facts by many including his own paper who moved him after several investigations into his claims showed to be not proven.. who was the cia director you refer to and have you a link to his input..?" webb wasn't moved by his then employer he resigned theres a big difference ime sure yr aware. Also the cia used there contacts in the much bigger newspapers such as los angelese times and mainstay tv news channels to discredit him and his story. The name of the cia director who admitted the story is clearly named at the end of the film ..kill the messanger. 20 years later after the event 7 people have since come forward to collaborate Webbs story ..at the time they were to afaid for fear of having there careers ruined like Gary webs was for daring to print the story that the cia were flooding its own citizens with crack to fund buying arms for the Nicaraguan contras. Do you go along with the cia report into webs suicide that he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head ...twice ? May I recommend watching the film Shoot the messanger ...it certainly gives food for thought. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Not so much a conspiracy as more a fact reported on at the time by a journalist called Gary Webb. There is a film about it out called Shoot The Messanger starring Jeremy Renner as Gary Webb. After the cia director retired and some time after webs suicide from shooting himself twice in the head..the retired cia director came out the closet to confirm webs journalist report that indeed the cia were involved in the flooding of crack cocaine into its own country. Webb's assertions were not deemed to be facts by many including his own paper who moved him after several investigations into his claims showed to be not proven.. if as you say Webbs story was not deemed to be factual by his own paper ...Why then did his own paper print his story in the 1st place ??????? who was the cia director you refer to and have you a link to his input..?" | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Not so much a conspiracy as more a fact reported on at the time by a journalist called Gary Webb. There is a film about it out called Shoot The Messanger starring Jeremy Renner as Gary Webb. After the cia director retired and some time after webs suicide from shooting himself twice in the head..the retired cia director came out the closet to confirm webs journalist report that indeed the cia were involved in the flooding of crack cocaine into its own country. Webb's assertions were not deemed to be facts by many including his own paper who moved him after several investigations into his claims showed to be not proven.. who was the cia director you refer to and have you a link to his input..? webb wasn't moved by his then employer he resigned theres a big difference ime sure yr aware. Also the cia used there contacts in the much bigger newspapers such as los angelese times and mainstay tv news channels to discredit him and his story. The name of the cia director who admitted the story is clearly named at the end of the film ..kill the messanger. 20 years later after the event 7 people have since come forward to collaborate Webbs story ..at the time they were to afaid for fear of having there careers ruined like Gary webs was for daring to print the story that the cia were flooding its own citizens with crack to fund buying arms for the Nicaraguan contras. Do you go along with the cia report into webs suicide that he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head ...twice ? May I recommend watching the film Shoot the messanger ...it certainly gives food for thought. " Listen your the one quoting a retired CIA director so furnish the name and the actual link to what they have actually said on the record, if i want to watch a film i shall do so but not in order to give your claim credibility.. Webb was moved to another part of the same paper and then he resigned, he was effectively downgraded.. where is the link to the CIA doing some discredit with the story Webb told..? 3 major publications, Washington Post, New York Times and the Los Angeles times all carried out their own investigations and none came to the same conclusion as Webb did. The LA times had 17 reporters on the issue.. the report on his death was done by the local coroner, his own wife was of the opinion he had killed himself too.. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Not so much a conspiracy as more a fact reported on at the time by a journalist called Gary Webb. There is a film about it out called Shoot The Messanger starring Jeremy Renner as Gary Webb. After the cia director retired and some time after webs suicide from shooting himself twice in the head..the retired cia director came out the closet to confirm webs journalist report that indeed the cia were involved in the flooding of crack cocaine into its own country. Webb's assertions were not deemed to be facts by many including his own paper who moved him after several investigations into his claims showed to be not proven.. who was the cia director you refer to and have you a link to his input..? webb wasn't moved by his then employer he resigned theres a big difference ime sure yr aware. Also the cia used there contacts in the much bigger newspapers such as los angelese times and mainstay tv news channels to discredit him and his story. The name of the cia director who admitted the story is clearly named at the end of the film ..kill the messanger. 20 years later after the event 7 people have since come forward to collaborate Webbs story ..at the time they were to afaid for fear of having there careers ruined like Gary webs was for daring to print the story that the cia were flooding its own citizens with crack to fund buying arms for the Nicaraguan contras. Do you go along with the cia report into webs suicide that he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head ...twice ? May I recommend watching the film Shoot the messanger ...it certainly gives food for thought. Listen your the one quoting a retired CIA director so furnish the name and the actual link to what they have actually said on the record, if i want to watch a film i shall do so but not in order to give your claim credibility.. Webb was moved to another part of the same paper and then he resigned, he was effectively downgraded.. where is the link to the CIA doing some discredit with the story Webb told..? 3 major publications, Washington Post, New York Times and the Los Angeles times all carried out their own investigations and none came to the same conclusion as Webb did. The LA times had 17 reporters on the issue.. the report on his death was done by the local coroner, his own wife was of the opinion he had killed himself too.." you don't work for the cia by any chance do you?  you seem over keen to want to discredit him to as I said the name of the ex cia director is on the end of the film or you can use google...its not that difficult to find. Why should I do your research for you?? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Not so much a conspiracy as more a fact reported on at the time by a journalist called Gary Webb. There is a film about it out called Shoot The Messanger starring Jeremy Renner as Gary Webb. After the cia director retired and some time after webs suicide from shooting himself twice in the head..the retired cia director came out the closet to confirm webs journalist report that indeed the cia were involved in the flooding of crack cocaine into its own country. Webb's assertions were not deemed to be facts by many including his own paper who moved him after several investigations into his claims showed to be not proven.. who was the cia director you refer to and have you a link to his input..? webb wasn't moved by his then employer he resigned theres a big difference ime sure yr aware. Also the cia used there contacts in the much bigger newspapers such as los angelese times and mainstay tv news channels to discredit him and his story. The name of the cia director who admitted the story is clearly named at the end of the film ..kill the messanger. 20 years later after the event 7 people have since come forward to collaborate Webbs story ..at the time they were to afaid for fear of having there careers ruined like Gary webs was for daring to print the story that the cia were flooding its own citizens with crack to fund buying arms for the Nicaraguan contras. Do you go along with the cia report into webs suicide that he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head ...twice ? May I recommend watching the film Shoot the messanger ...it certainly gives food for thought. Listen your the one quoting a retired CIA director so furnish the name and the actual link to what they have actually said on the record, if i want to watch a film i shall do so but not in order to give your claim credibility.. Webb was moved to another part of the same paper and then he resigned, he was effectively downgraded.. where is the link to the CIA doing some discredit with the story Webb told..? 3 major publications, Washington Post, New York Times and the Los Angeles times all carried out their own investigations and none came to the same conclusion as Webb did. The LA times had 17 reporters on the issue.. the report on his death was done by the local coroner, his own wife was of the opinion he had killed himself too.. you don't work for the cia by any chance do you? you seem over keen to want to discredit him to as I said the name of the ex cia director is on the end of the film or you can use google...its not that difficult to find. Why should I do your research for you?? "if i did i would have to decline to tell.. i have no interest in doing down a guy i don't know, just that you gave a one sided opinion which funnily enough with a little bit of browsing showed not to be as factual as you implied.. strange that your ducking the question about the director, almost like you know again you've said something not true or embellished it.. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Not so much a conspiracy as more a fact reported on at the time by a journalist called Gary Webb. There is a film about it out called Shoot The Messanger starring Jeremy Renner as Gary Webb. After the cia director retired and some time after webs suicide from shooting himself twice in the head..the retired cia director came out the closet to confirm webs journalist report that indeed the cia were involved in the flooding of crack cocaine into its own country. Webb's assertions were not deemed to be facts by many including his own paper who moved him after several investigations into his claims showed to be not proven.. who was the cia director you refer to and have you a link to his input..? webb wasn't moved by his then employer he resigned theres a big difference ime sure yr aware. Also the cia used there contacts in the much bigger newspapers such as los angelese times and mainstay tv news channels to discredit him and his story. The name of the cia director who admitted the story is clearly named at the end of the film ..kill the messanger. 20 years later after the event 7 people have since come forward to collaborate Webbs story ..at the time they were to afaid for fear of having there careers ruined like Gary webs was for daring to print the story that the cia were flooding its own citizens with crack to fund buying arms for the Nicaraguan contras. Do you go along with the cia report into webs suicide that he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head ...twice ? May I recommend watching the film Shoot the messanger ...it certainly gives food for thought. Listen your the one quoting a retired CIA director so furnish the name and the actual link to what they have actually said on the record, if i want to watch a film i shall do so but not in order to give your claim credibility.. Webb was moved to another part of the same paper and then he resigned, he was effectively downgraded.. where is the link to the CIA doing some discredit with the story Webb told..? 3 major publications, Washington Post, New York Times and the Los Angeles times all carried out their own investigations and none came to the same conclusion as Webb did. The LA times had 17 reporters on the issue.. the report on his death was done by the local coroner, his own wife was of the opinion he had killed himself too.." will this suffice ? by Mikael Thalen | Infowars.com | September 26, 20 New documents released by the CIA show how the agency worked with some of the country’s largest newspapers to destroy San Jose Mercury News’ Gary Webb, a journalist who famously exposed the CIA’s connection to the cocaine trade in the “Dark Alliance” investigation. Tactics used to destroy Webb, who was found dead in his apartment in 2004 with two .38-caliber bullets in the head, included a massive smear campaign by journalists working with newspapers such as the L.A. Times. A report by The Intercept’s Ryan Devereaux reveals the paper used as many as 17 journalists to discredit Webb and his exposé. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Not so much a conspiracy as more a fact reported on at the time by a journalist called Gary Webb. There is a film about it out called Shoot The Messanger starring Jeremy Renner as Gary Webb. After the cia director retired and some time after webs suicide from shooting himself twice in the head..the retired cia director came out the closet to confirm webs journalist report that indeed the cia were involved in the flooding of crack cocaine into its own country. Webb's assertions were not deemed to be facts by many including his own paper who moved him after several investigations into his claims showed to be not proven.. who was the cia director you refer to and have you a link to his input..? webb wasn't moved by his then employer he resigned theres a big difference ime sure yr aware. Also the cia used there contacts in the much bigger newspapers such as los angelese times and mainstay tv news channels to discredit him and his story. The name of the cia director who admitted the story is clearly named at the end of the film ..kill the messanger. 20 years later after the event 7 people have since come forward to collaborate Webbs story ..at the time they were to afaid for fear of having there careers ruined like Gary webs was for daring to print the story that the cia were flooding its own citizens with crack to fund buying arms for the Nicaraguan contras. Do you go along with the cia report into webs suicide that he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head ...twice ? May I recommend watching the film Shoot the messanger ...it certainly gives food for thought. Listen your the one quoting a retired CIA director so furnish the name and the actual link to what they have actually said on the record, if i want to watch a film i shall do so but not in order to give your claim credibility.. Webb was moved to another part of the same paper and then he resigned, he was effectively downgraded.. where is the link to the CIA doing some discredit with the story Webb told..? 3 major publications, Washington Post, New York Times and the Los Angeles times all carried out their own investigations and none came to the same conclusion as Webb did. The LA times had 17 reporters on the issue.. the report on his death was done by the local coroner, his own wife was of the opinion he had killed himself too.. will this suffice ? by Mikael Thalen | Infowars.com | September 26, 20 New documents released by the CIA show how the agency worked with some of the country’s largest newspapers to destroy San Jose Mercury News’ Gary Webb, a journalist who famously exposed the CIA’s connection to the cocaine trade in the “Dark Alliance” investigation. Tactics used to destroy Webb, who was found dead in his apartment in 2004 with two .38-caliber bullets in the head, included a massive smear campaign by journalists working with newspapers such as the L.A. Times. A report by The Intercept’s Ryan Devereaux reveals the paper used as many as 17 journalists to discredit Webb and his exposé. " internet..? must be true then.. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Not so much a conspiracy as more a fact reported on at the time by a journalist called Gary Webb. There is a film about it out called Shoot The Messanger starring Jeremy Renner as Gary Webb. After the cia director retired and some time after webs suicide from shooting himself twice in the head..the retired cia director came out the closet to confirm webs journalist report that indeed the cia were involved in the flooding of crack cocaine into its own country. Webb's assertions were not deemed to be facts by many including his own paper who moved him after several investigations into his claims showed to be not proven.. who was the cia director you refer to and have you a link to his input..? webb wasn't moved by his then employer he resigned theres a big difference ime sure yr aware. Also the cia used there contacts in the much bigger newspapers such as los angelese times and mainstay tv news channels to discredit him and his story. The name of the cia director who admitted the story is clearly named at the end of the film ..kill the messanger. 20 years later after the event 7 people have since come forward to collaborate Webbs story ..at the time they were to afaid for fear of having there careers ruined like Gary webs was for daring to print the story that the cia were flooding its own citizens with crack to fund buying arms for the Nicaraguan contras. Do you go along with the cia report into webs suicide that he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head ...twice ? May I recommend watching the film Shoot the messanger ...it certainly gives food for thought. Listen your the one quoting a retired CIA director so furnish the name and the actual link to what they have actually said on the record, if i want to watch a film i shall do so but not in order to give your claim credibility.. Webb was moved to another part of the same paper and then he resigned, he was effectively downgraded.. where is the link to the CIA doing some discredit with the story Webb told..? 3 major publications, Washington Post, New York Times and the Los Angeles times all carried out their own investigations and none came to the same conclusion as Webb did. The LA times had 17 reporters on the issue.. the report on his death was done by the local coroner, his own wife was of the opinion he had killed himself too.. will this suffice ? by Mikael Thalen | Infowars.com | September 26, 20 New documents released by the CIA show how the agency worked with some of the country’s largest newspapers to destroy San Jose Mercury News’ Gary Webb, a journalist who famously exposed the CIA’s connection to the cocaine trade in the “Dark Alliance” investigation. Tactics used to destroy Webb, who was found dead in his apartment in 2004 with two .38-caliber bullets in the head, included a massive smear campaign by journalists working with newspapers such as the L.A. Times. A report by The Intercept’s Ryan Devereaux reveals the paper used as many as 17 journalists to discredit Webb and his exposé. internet..? must be true then.." well if you say its untrue it simply must be untrue then all the info collaborating the story Is there should u choose to be bothered to actually look for it | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Not so much a conspiracy as more a fact reported on at the time by a journalist called Gary Webb. There is a film about it out called Shoot The Messanger starring Jeremy Renner as Gary Webb. After the cia director retired and some time after webs suicide from shooting himself twice in the head..the retired cia director came out the closet to confirm webs journalist report that indeed the cia were involved in the flooding of crack cocaine into its own country. Webb's assertions were not deemed to be facts by many including his own paper who moved him after several investigations into his claims showed to be not proven.. who was the cia director you refer to and have you a link to his input..? webb wasn't moved by his then employer he resigned theres a big difference ime sure yr aware. Also the cia used there contacts in the much bigger newspapers such as los angelese times and mainstay tv news channels to discredit him and his story. The name of the cia director who admitted the story is clearly named at the end of the film ..kill the messanger. 20 years later after the event 7 people have since come forward to collaborate Webbs story ..at the time they were to afaid for fear of having there careers ruined like Gary webs was for daring to print the story that the cia were flooding its own citizens with crack to fund buying arms for the Nicaraguan contras. Do you go along with the cia report into webs suicide that he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head ...twice ? May I recommend watching the film Shoot the messanger ...it certainly gives food for thought. Listen your the one quoting a retired CIA director so furnish the name and the actual link to what they have actually said on the record, if i want to watch a film i shall do so but not in order to give your claim credibility.. Webb was moved to another part of the same paper and then he resigned, he was effectively downgraded.. where is the link to the CIA doing some discredit with the story Webb told..? 3 major publications, Washington Post, New York Times and the Los Angeles times all carried out their own investigations and none came to the same conclusion as Webb did. The LA times had 17 reporters on the issue.. the report on his death was done by the local coroner, his own wife was of the opinion he had killed himself too.. will this suffice ? by Mikael Thalen | Infowars.com | September 26, 20 New documents released by the CIA show how the agency worked with some of the country’s largest newspapers to destroy San Jose Mercury News’ Gary Webb, a journalist who famously exposed the CIA’s connection to the cocaine trade in the “Dark Alliance” investigation. Tactics used to destroy Webb, who was found dead in his apartment in 2004 with two .38-caliber bullets in the head, included a massive smear campaign by journalists working with newspapers such as the L.A. Times. A report by The Intercept’s Ryan Devereaux reveals the paper used as many as 17 journalists to discredit Webb and his exposé. internet..? must be true then.." the information you couldn't be bothered to find yourself! source..The film makers of Kill The Messenger Film The name of the cia director who later collaborate Gary Webb was John Deutch. "In 1998 the cia released a 400 page report that acknowledged the agency associated with members of the contra movement who associated with drug trafficking." Consumed with the Clinton / Monica Lewinsky scandal at the time the American national media largely ignored the report," Also at the end of the film current secretary of state John Kerry on video being interviewed also accepting and collaborating Gary Webbs story ....that The cia were indeed responsible in flloding there own citizens with crack cocaine in order to buy arms for the contras with the profits made from drug trafficking. As I said its all there in the film maybe as a point its a good idea to actually look for the truth rather than attempt to dismiss discredit someone based on nothing more than your own self belief that your always right and never wrong | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Not so much a conspiracy as more a fact reported on at the time by a journalist called Gary Webb. There is a film about it out called Shoot The Messanger starring Jeremy Renner as Gary Webb. After the cia director retired and some time after webs suicide from shooting himself twice in the head..the retired cia director came out the closet to confirm webs journalist report that indeed the cia were involved in the flooding of crack cocaine into its own country. Webb's assertions were not deemed to be facts by many including his own paper who moved him after several investigations into his claims showed to be not proven.. who was the cia director you refer to and have you a link to his input..? webb wasn't moved by his then employer he resigned theres a big difference ime sure yr aware. Also the cia used there contacts in the much bigger newspapers such as los angelese times and mainstay tv news channels to discredit him and his story. The name of the cia director who admitted the story is clearly named at the end of the film ..kill the messanger. 20 years later after the event 7 people have since come forward to collaborate Webbs story ..at the time they were to afaid for fear of having there careers ruined like Gary webs was for daring to print the story that the cia were flooding its own citizens with crack to fund buying arms for the Nicaraguan contras. Do you go along with the cia report into webs suicide that he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head ...twice ? May I recommend watching the film Shoot the messanger ...it certainly gives food for thought. Listen your the one quoting a retired CIA director so furnish the name and the actual link to what they have actually said on the record, if i want to watch a film i shall do so but not in order to give your claim credibility.. Webb was moved to another part of the same paper and then he resigned, he was effectively downgraded.. where is the link to the CIA doing some discredit with the story Webb told..? 3 major publications, Washington Post, New York Times and the Los Angeles times all carried out their own investigations and none came to the same conclusion as Webb did. The LA times had 17 reporters on the issue.. the report on his death was done by the local coroner, his own wife was of the opinion he had killed himself too.. will this suffice ? by Mikael Thalen | Infowars.com | September 26, 20 New documents released by the CIA show how the agency worked with some of the country’s largest newspapers to destroy San Jose Mercury News’ Gary Webb, a journalist who famously exposed the CIA’s connection to the cocaine trade in the “Dark Alliance” investigation. Tactics used to destroy Webb, who was found dead in his apartment in 2004 with two .38-caliber bullets in the head, included a massive smear campaign by journalists working with newspapers such as the L.A. Times. A report by The Intercept’s Ryan Devereaux reveals the paper used as many as 17 journalists to discredit Webb and his exposé. internet..? must be true then.. well if you say its untrue it simply must be untrue then all the info collaborating the story Is there should u choose to be bothered to actually look for it "it is but it doesn't corroborate your version, well not the main stream media anyway.. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Not so much a conspiracy as more a fact reported on at the time by a journalist called Gary Webb. There is a film about it out called Shoot The Messanger starring Jeremy Renner as Gary Webb. After the cia director retired and some time after webs suicide from shooting himself twice in the head..the retired cia director came out the closet to confirm webs journalist report that indeed the cia were involved in the flooding of crack cocaine into its own country. Webb's assertions were not deemed to be facts by many including his own paper who moved him after several investigations into his claims showed to be not proven.. who was the cia director you refer to and have you a link to his input..? webb wasn't moved by his then employer he resigned theres a big difference ime sure yr aware. Also the cia used there contacts in the much bigger newspapers such as los angelese times and mainstay tv news channels to discredit him and his story. The name of the cia director who admitted the story is clearly named at the end of the film ..kill the messanger. 20 years later after the event 7 people have since come forward to collaborate Webbs story ..at the time they were to afaid for fear of having there careers ruined like Gary webs was for daring to print the story that the cia were flooding its own citizens with crack to fund buying arms for the Nicaraguan contras. Do you go along with the cia report into webs suicide that he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head ...twice ? May I recommend watching the film Shoot the messanger ...it certainly gives food for thought. Listen your the one quoting a retired CIA director so furnish the name and the actual link to what they have actually said on the record, if i want to watch a film i shall do so but not in order to give your claim credibility.. Webb was moved to another part of the same paper and then he resigned, he was effectively downgraded.. where is the link to the CIA doing some discredit with the story Webb told..? 3 major publications, Washington Post, New York Times and the Los Angeles times all carried out their own investigations and none came to the same conclusion as Webb did. The LA times had 17 reporters on the issue.. the report on his death was done by the local coroner, his own wife was of the opinion he had killed himself too.. will this suffice ? by Mikael Thalen | Infowars.com | September 26, 20 New documents released by the CIA show how the agency worked with some of the country’s largest newspapers to destroy San Jose Mercury News’ Gary Webb, a journalist who famously exposed the CIA’s connection to the cocaine trade in the “Dark Alliance” investigation. Tactics used to destroy Webb, who was found dead in his apartment in 2004 with two .38-caliber bullets in the head, included a massive smear campaign by journalists working with newspapers such as the L.A. Times. A report by The Intercept’s Ryan Devereaux reveals the paper used as many as 17 journalists to discredit Webb and his exposé. internet..? must be true then.. well if you say its untrue it simply must be untrue then all the info collaborating the story Is there should u choose to be bothered to actually look for it
it is but it doesn't corroborate your version, well not the main stream media anyway..
"er but the main stream media at the time were used by the cia to discredit him in what was later proved a massive smear campaign ..notably the la times who one reporter later went on to state they had 17 of us on the job day and night going over his story to find anything to discredit him with, his view was the smear campaign was overkill and well over the top. In relation to your comment regarding webs suspicious suicide where he shot himself twice in the head you stated his wife accepted he committed suicide ...I cant find anything collaborating your comment ? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"its a well known fact with conspiracy theorists that the old soviet union are behind a well known fast food chain and soft drinks manufacturers in order to render some US citizens unfit to fight through obesity for when they invade.. honest.. " Love it. You've put a smile on my this this Sunday morning | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" In the 1980s the cia wanted to carry out a coup in Nicaragua but were refused arms funding to supply there contra rebels by there own government. So in order to carry out there own agenda they took to flooding there own country with crack cocaine and used the profits made from drug dealing to buy arms for the contra rebels in the hope they could put in puppet more usa friendly government. The political soundbite back then under the Reagan Regime was "The War on Drugs," 20 years later we now have "The war on terror." Taking into account the cia flooded its own country with crack cocaine is it such a crazy notion that the cia may well be responsible for the twin towers attack ? it certainly got them what they wanted ie the war on terror? why did it suddenly become ok for usa to send out special force death squads they cud easily have taken bin laden alive ....but imagine if theu did and put him on trial in front of the world and bin laden turned round and said he had nothing to do with it as he was at home at the time watching corrie with his family ?? The American Cia pushed crack cocaine on there own citizens to fund buying arms? what utter rubbish. Yet another fantasist crack pot conspiracy theorist I think it was called the Contra scandal and occurred during Reagan's administration. I'm not an expert on it though.... " Actually I think the Contra scandal was about illegally selling arms to Iran in order to raise money for the Contra rebels. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Not so much a conspiracy as more a fact reported on at the time by a journalist called Gary Webb. There is a film about it out called Shoot The Messanger starring Jeremy Renner as Gary Webb. After the cia director retired and some time after webs suicide from shooting himself twice in the head..the retired cia director came out the closet to confirm webs journalist report that indeed the cia were involved in the flooding of crack cocaine into its own country. Webb's assertions were not deemed to be facts by many including his own paper who moved him after several investigations into his claims showed to be not proven.. who was the cia director you refer to and have you a link to his input..? webb wasn't moved by his then employer he resigned theres a big difference ime sure yr aware. Also the cia used there contacts in the much bigger newspapers such as los angelese times and mainstay tv news channels to discredit him and his story. The name of the cia director who admitted the story is clearly named at the end of the film ..kill the messanger. 20 years later after the event 7 people have since come forward to collaborate Webbs story ..at the time they were to afaid for fear of having there careers ruined like Gary webs was for daring to print the story that the cia were flooding its own citizens with crack to fund buying arms for the Nicaraguan contras. Do you go along with the cia report into webs suicide that he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head ...twice ? May I recommend watching the film Shoot the messanger ...it certainly gives food for thought. Listen your the one quoting a retired CIA director so furnish the name and the actual link to what they have actually said on the record, if i want to watch a film i shall do so but not in order to give your claim credibility.. Webb was moved to another part of the same paper and then he resigned, he was effectively downgraded.. where is the link to the CIA doing some discredit with the story Webb told..? 3 major publications, Washington Post, New York Times and the Los Angeles times all carried out their own investigations and none came to the same conclusion as Webb did. The LA times had 17 reporters on the issue.. the report on his death was done by the local coroner, his own wife was of the opinion he had killed himself too.. you don't work for the cia by any chance do you? you seem over keen to want to discredit him to as I said the name of the ex cia director is on the end of the film or you can use google...its not that difficult to find. Why should I do your research for you?? "Because you're the one making the allegations therefore the burden is on you to supply the proof. Of course you don't have to provide either the name of this CIA director or any link to substantiate your allegations but then don't be surprised if people treat them as what they are, unsubstantiated allegations. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Not so much a conspiracy as more a fact reported on at the time by a journalist called Gary Webb. There is a film about it out called Shoot The Messanger starring Jeremy Renner as Gary Webb. After the cia director retired and some time after webs suicide from shooting himself twice in the head..the retired cia director came out the closet to confirm webs journalist report that indeed the cia were involved in the flooding of crack cocaine into its own country. Webb's assertions were not deemed to be facts by many including his own paper who moved him after several investigations into his claims showed to be not proven.. who was the cia director you refer to and have you a link to his input..? webb wasn't moved by his then employer he resigned theres a big difference ime sure yr aware. Also the cia used there contacts in the much bigger newspapers such as los angelese times and mainstay tv news channels to discredit him and his story. The name of the cia director who admitted the story is clearly named at the end of the film ..kill the messanger. 20 years later after the event 7 people have since come forward to collaborate Webbs story ..at the time they were to afaid for fear of having there careers ruined like Gary webs was for daring to print the story that the cia were flooding its own citizens with crack to fund buying arms for the Nicaraguan contras. Do you go along with the cia report into webs suicide that he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head ...twice ? May I recommend watching the film Shoot the messanger ...it certainly gives food for thought. Listen your the one quoting a retired CIA director so furnish the name and the actual link to what they have actually said on the record, if i want to watch a film i shall do so but not in order to give your claim credibility.. Webb was moved to another part of the same paper and then he resigned, he was effectively downgraded.. where is the link to the CIA doing some discredit with the story Webb told..? 3 major publications, Washington Post, New York Times and the Los Angeles times all carried out their own investigations and none came to the same conclusion as Webb did. The LA times had 17 reporters on the issue.. the report on his death was done by the local coroner, his own wife was of the opinion he had killed himself too.. will this suffice ? by Mikael Thalen | Infowars.com | September 26, 20 New documents released by the CIA show how the agency worked with some of the country’s largest newspapers to destroy San Jose Mercury News’ Gary Webb, a journalist who famously exposed the CIA’s connection to the cocaine trade in the “Dark Alliance” investigation. Tactics used to destroy Webb, who was found dead in his apartment in 2004 with two .38-caliber bullets in the head, included a massive smear campaign by journalists working with newspapers such as the L.A. Times. A report by The Intercept’s Ryan Devereaux reveals the paper used as many as 17 journalists to discredit Webb and his exposé. " Maybe he was discredited because his story, when investigated, was not creditable, after all, that is what discrediting a story actually means? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Not so much a conspiracy as more a fact reported on at the time by a journalist called Gary Webb. There is a film about it out called Shoot The Messanger starring Jeremy Renner as Gary Webb. After the cia director retired and some time after webs suicide from shooting himself twice in the head..the retired cia director came out the closet to confirm webs journalist report that indeed the cia were involved in the flooding of crack cocaine into its own country. Webb's assertions were not deemed to be facts by many including his own paper who moved him after several investigations into his claims showed to be not proven.. who was the cia director you refer to and have you a link to his input..? webb wasn't moved by his then employer he resigned theres a big difference ime sure yr aware. Also the cia used there contacts in the much bigger newspapers such as los angelese times and mainstay tv news channels to discredit him and his story. The name of the cia director who admitted the story is clearly named at the end of the film ..kill the messanger. 20 years later after the event 7 people have since come forward to collaborate Webbs story ..at the time they were to afaid for fear of having there careers ruined like Gary webs was for daring to print the story that the cia were flooding its own citizens with crack to fund buying arms for the Nicaraguan contras. Do you go along with the cia report into webs suicide that he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head ...twice ? May I recommend watching the film Shoot the messanger ...it certainly gives food for thought. Listen your the one quoting a retired CIA director so furnish the name and the actual link to what they have actually said on the record, if i want to watch a film i shall do so but not in order to give your claim credibility.. Webb was moved to another part of the same paper and then he resigned, he was effectively downgraded.. where is the link to the CIA doing some discredit with the story Webb told..? 3 major publications, Washington Post, New York Times and the Los Angeles times all carried out their own investigations and none came to the same conclusion as Webb did. The LA times had 17 reporters on the issue.. the report on his death was done by the local coroner, his own wife was of the opinion he had killed himself too.. will this suffice ? by Mikael Thalen | Infowars.com | September 26, 20 New documents released by the CIA show how the agency worked with some of the country’s largest newspapers to destroy San Jose Mercury News’ Gary Webb, a journalist who famously exposed the CIA’s connection to the cocaine trade in the “Dark Alliance” investigation. Tactics used to destroy Webb, who was found dead in his apartment in 2004 with two .38-caliber bullets in the head, included a massive smear campaign by journalists working with newspapers such as the L.A. Times. A report by The Intercept’s Ryan Devereaux reveals the paper used as many as 17 journalists to discredit Webb and his exposé. internet..? must be true then.. well if you say its untrue it simply must be untrue then all the info collaborating the story Is there should u choose to be bothered to actually look for it
it is but it doesn't corroborate your version, well not the main stream media anyway..
er but the main stream media at the time were used by the cia to discredit him in what was later proved a massive smear campaign ..notably the la times who one reporter later went on to state they had 17 of us on the job day and night going over his story to find anything to discredit him with, his view was the smear campaign was overkill and well over the top.
In relation to your comment regarding webs suspicious suicide where he shot himself twice in the head you stated his wife accepted he committed suicide ...I cant find anything collaborating your comment ? "your basing a lot of your claims on a hollywood movie.. one can look on the web and find a story to fit one's conspiracy theories about pretty much anything.. look on wiki its there, Webb had just sold his house due to not being able to gain employment with a major newspaper (strange that he couldn't unless of course the Cia managed that with all of the mainstream papers in the US too) and his wife was of the opinion it was suicide.. why would an agency like the Cia wait 8 years after his claims were made public to off him..? and why off him anyway, as far as the media and their readers were concerned he was not news.. and why would they use a method potentially so easy to be scrutinised by those who look for conspiracies..? they have a track record of offing people far more efficiently than a suspicious to some suicide.. btw it was the coroner who deemed it was possible and not unknown for suicides to fire 2 rounds, albeit unusual.. and John Deutch and webb, where is the link to what you say ..? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Not so much a conspiracy as more a fact reported on at the time by a journalist called Gary Webb. There is a film about it out called Shoot The Messanger starring Jeremy Renner as Gary Webb. After the cia director retired and some time after webs suicide from shooting himself twice in the head..the retired cia director came out the closet to confirm webs journalist report that indeed the cia were involved in the flooding of crack cocaine into its own country. Webb's assertions were not deemed to be facts by many including his own paper who moved him after several investigations into his claims showed to be not proven.. who was the cia director you refer to and have you a link to his input..? webb wasn't moved by his then employer he resigned theres a big difference ime sure yr aware. Also the cia used there contacts in the much bigger newspapers such as los angelese times and mainstay tv news channels to discredit him and his story. The name of the cia director who admitted the story is clearly named at the end of the film ..kill the messanger. 20 years later after the event 7 people have since come forward to collaborate Webbs story ..at the time they were to afaid for fear of having there careers ruined like Gary webs was for daring to print the story that the cia were flooding its own citizens with crack to fund buying arms for the Nicaraguan contras. Do you go along with the cia report into webs suicide that he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head ...twice ? May I recommend watching the film Shoot the messanger ...it certainly gives food for thought. Listen your the one quoting a retired CIA director so furnish the name and the actual link to what they have actually said on the record, if i want to watch a film i shall do so but not in order to give your claim credibility.. Webb was moved to another part of the same paper and then he resigned, he was effectively downgraded.. where is the link to the CIA doing some discredit with the story Webb told..? 3 major publications, Washington Post, New York Times and the Los Angeles times all carried out their own investigations and none came to the same conclusion as Webb did. The LA times had 17 reporters on the issue.. the report on his death was done by the local coroner, his own wife was of the opinion he had killed himself too.. you don't work for the cia by any chance do you? you seem over keen to want to discredit him to as I said the name of the ex cia director is on the end of the film or you can use google...its not that difficult to find. Why should I do your research for you??
Because you're the one making the allegations therefore the burden is on you to supply the proof. Of course you don't have to provide either the name of this CIA director or any link to substantiate your allegations but then don't be surprised if people treat them as what they are, unsubstantiated allegations."er no it wasn't me that made the allegation it journalist Gary webb who made the allegation and printed the story with the backing of his bosses at the newspaper he worked for. cmon m8 wake up ..and get with the programme jeeeez lol | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" you don't work for the cia by any chance do you? you seem over keen to want to discredit him to "this sort of comment is where your credibility shows its flaws.. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Not so much a conspiracy as more a fact reported on at the time by a journalist called Gary Webb. There is a film about it out called Shoot The Messanger starring Jeremy Renner as Gary Webb. After the cia director retired and some time after webs suicide from shooting himself twice in the head..the retired cia director came out the closet to confirm webs journalist report that indeed the cia were involved in the flooding of crack cocaine into its own country. Webb's assertions were not deemed to be facts by many including his own paper who moved him after several investigations into his claims showed to be not proven.. who was the cia director you refer to and have you a link to his input..? webb wasn't moved by his then employer he resigned theres a big difference ime sure yr aware. Also the cia used there contacts in the much bigger newspapers such as los angelese times and mainstay tv news channels to discredit him and his story. The name of the cia director who admitted the story is clearly named at the end of the film ..kill the messanger. 20 years later after the event 7 people have since come forward to collaborate Webbs story ..at the time they were to afaid for fear of having there careers ruined like Gary webs was for daring to print the story that the cia were flooding its own citizens with crack to fund buying arms for the Nicaraguan contras. Do you go along with the cia report into webs suicide that he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head ...twice ? May I recommend watching the film Shoot the messanger ...it certainly gives food for thought. Listen your the one quoting a retired CIA director so furnish the name and the actual link to what they have actually said on the record, if i want to watch a film i shall do so but not in order to give your claim credibility.. Webb was moved to another part of the same paper and then he resigned, he was effectively downgraded.. where is the link to the CIA doing some discredit with the story Webb told..? 3 major publications, Washington Post, New York Times and the Los Angeles times all carried out their own investigations and none came to the same conclusion as Webb did. The LA times had 17 reporters on the issue.. the report on his death was done by the local coroner, his own wife was of the opinion he had killed himself too.. will this suffice ? by Mikael Thalen | Infowars.com | September 26, 20 New documents released by the CIA show how the agency worked with some of the country’s largest newspapers to destroy San Jose Mercury News’ Gary Webb, a journalist who famously exposed the CIA’s connection to the cocaine trade in the “Dark Alliance” investigation. Tactics used to destroy Webb, who was found dead in his apartment in 2004 with two .38-caliber bullets in the head, included a massive smear campaign by journalists working with newspapers such as the L.A. Times. A report by The Intercept’s Ryan Devereaux reveals the paper used as many as 17 journalists to discredit Webb and his exposé. internet..? must be true then.. the information you couldn't be bothered to find yourself! source..The film makers of Kill The Messenger Film The name of the cia director who later collaborate Gary Webb was John Deutch. "In 1998 the cia released a 400 page report that acknowledged the agency associated with members of the contra movement who associated with drug trafficking." Consumed with the Clinton / Monica Lewinsky scandal at the time the American national media largely ignored the report," Also at the end of the film current secretary of state John Kerry on video being interviewed also accepting and collaborating Gary Webbs story ....that The cia were indeed responsible in flloding there own citizens with crack cocaine in order to buy arms for the contras with the profits made from drug trafficking. As I said its all there in the film maybe as a point its a good idea to actually look for the truth rather than attempt to dismiss discredit someone based on nothing more than your own self belief that your always right and never wrong "And you're basing your beliefs on a film! The difference between a film and a documentary is that a film does not have to true, even if it says it's based on true events it is always considered a work of fiction and, as such, can not be easily legally challenged. What is required to substantiate these claims is clear links to the source documents and evidence. Until you can provide that this is just unsubstantiated allegations, another unproven conspiracy not really worth the effort of listening to. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"What is required to substantiate these claims is clear links to the source documents and evidence. Until you can provide that this is just unsubstantiated allegations, another unproven conspiracy not really worth the effort of listening to." i'm not advocating any side of this discussion but here's my previous post .... read it then decide for yourself "the document you're looking for is on the cia website foia cia dot gov .... the document is entitled "managing a nightmare: cia public affairs and the drug conspiracy story" it's a document that was released on 18th of september 2014 after a freedom of information request i got this information when i read an article in the washington post ... i think that the post is a reliable enough mainstream media source and has a proven record of exposing american government wrong doings." | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Not so much a conspiracy as more a fact reported on at the time by a journalist called Gary Webb. There is a film about it out called Shoot The Messanger starring Jeremy Renner as Gary Webb. After the cia director retired and some time after webs suicide from shooting himself twice in the head..the retired cia director came out the closet to confirm webs journalist report that indeed the cia were involved in the flooding of crack cocaine into its own country. Webb's assertions were not deemed to be facts by many including his own paper who moved him after several investigations into his claims showed to be not proven.. who was the cia director you refer to and have you a link to his input..? webb wasn't moved by his then employer he resigned theres a big difference ime sure yr aware. Also the cia used there contacts in the much bigger newspapers such as los angelese times and mainstay tv news channels to discredit him and his story. The name of the cia director who admitted the story is clearly named at the end of the film ..kill the messanger. 20 years later after the event 7 people have since come forward to collaborate Webbs story ..at the time they were to afaid for fear of having there careers ruined like Gary webs was for daring to print the story that the cia were flooding its own citizens with crack to fund buying arms for the Nicaraguan contras. Do you go along with the cia report into webs suicide that he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head ...twice ? May I recommend watching the film Shoot the messanger ...it certainly gives food for thought. Listen your the one quoting a retired CIA director so furnish the name and the actual link to what they have actually said on the record, if i want to watch a film i shall do so but not in order to give your claim credibility.. Webb was moved to another part of the same paper and then he resigned, he was effectively downgraded.. where is the link to the CIA doing some discredit with the story Webb told..? 3 major publications, Washington Post, New York Times and the Los Angeles times all carried out their own investigations and none came to the same conclusion as Webb did. The LA times had 17 reporters on the issue.. the report on his death was done by the local coroner, his own wife was of the opinion he had killed himself too.. will this suffice ? by Mikael Thalen | Infowars.com | September 26, 20 New documents released by the CIA show how the agency worked with some of the country’s largest newspapers to destroy San Jose Mercury News’ Gary Webb, a journalist who famously exposed the CIA’s connection to the cocaine trade in the “Dark Alliance” investigation. Tactics used to destroy Webb, who was found dead in his apartment in 2004 with two .38-caliber bullets in the head, included a massive smear campaign by journalists working with newspapers such as the L.A. Times. A report by The Intercept’s Ryan Devereaux reveals the paper used as many as 17 journalists to discredit Webb and his exposé. internet..? must be true then.. the information you couldn't be bothered to find yourself! source..The film makers of Kill The Messenger Film The name of the cia director who later collaborate Gary Webb was John Deutch. "In 1998 the cia released a 400 page report that acknowledged the agency associated with members of the contra movement who associated with drug trafficking." Consumed with the Clinton / Monica Lewinsky scandal at the time the American national media largely ignored the report," Also at the end of the film current secretary of state John Kerry on video being interviewed also accepting and collaborating Gary Webbs story ....that The cia were indeed responsible in flloding there own citizens with crack cocaine in order to buy arms for the contras with the profits made from drug trafficking. As I said its all there in the film maybe as a point its a good idea to actually look for the truth rather than attempt to dismiss discredit someone based on nothing more than your own self belief that your always right and never wrong
And you're basing your beliefs on a film!
The difference between a film and a documentary is that a film does not have to true, even if it says it's based on true events it is always considered a work of fiction and, as such, can not be easily legally challenged.
What is required to substantiate these claims is clear links to the source documents and evidence. Until you can provide that this is just unsubstantiated allegations, another unproven conspiracy not really worth the effort of listening to."er well you know the current americam secretary of state John Kerry...he on video directly after the film collaborating webs story so true film and directly after film vid interview with Kerry :P ......must try harder lol | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Not so much a conspiracy as more a fact reported on at the time by a journalist called Gary Webb. There is a film about it out called Shoot The Messanger starring Jeremy Renner as Gary Webb. After the cia director retired and some time after webs suicide from shooting himself twice in the head..the retired cia director came out the closet to confirm webs journalist report that indeed the cia were involved in the flooding of crack cocaine into its own country. Webb's assertions were not deemed to be facts by many including his own paper who moved him after several investigations into his claims showed to be not proven.. who was the cia director you refer to and have you a link to his input..? webb wasn't moved by his then employer he resigned theres a big difference ime sure yr aware. Also the cia used there contacts in the much bigger newspapers such as los angelese times and mainstay tv news channels to discredit him and his story. The name of the cia director who admitted the story is clearly named at the end of the film ..kill the messanger. 20 years later after the event 7 people have since come forward to collaborate Webbs story ..at the time they were to afaid for fear of having there careers ruined like Gary webs was for daring to print the story that the cia were flooding its own citizens with crack to fund buying arms for the Nicaraguan contras. Do you go along with the cia report into webs suicide that he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head ...twice ? May I recommend watching the film Shoot the messanger ...it certainly gives food for thought. Listen your the one quoting a retired CIA director so furnish the name and the actual link to what they have actually said on the record, if i want to watch a film i shall do so but not in order to give your claim credibility.. Webb was moved to another part of the same paper and then he resigned, he was effectively downgraded.. where is the link to the CIA doing some discredit with the story Webb told..? 3 major publications, Washington Post, New York Times and the Los Angeles times all carried out their own investigations and none came to the same conclusion as Webb did. The LA times had 17 reporters on the issue.. the report on his death was done by the local coroner, his own wife was of the opinion he had killed himself too.. you don't work for the cia by any chance do you? you seem over keen to want to discredit him to as I said the name of the ex cia director is on the end of the film or you can use google...its not that difficult to find. Why should I do your research for you??
Because you're the one making the allegations therefore the burden is on you to supply the proof. Of course you don't have to provide either the name of this CIA director or any link to substantiate your allegations but then don't be surprised if people treat them as what they are, unsubstantiated allegations.
er no it wasn't me that made the allegation it journalist Gary webb who made the allegation and printed the story with the backing of his bosses at the newspaper he worked for.
cmon m8 wake up ..and get with the programme jeeeez lol "You're the one making the allegations here but refusing to provide the backing evidence to substantiate it. If you want people to believe you I think you're the one who needs to wake up. And trying to discredit those of us pushing you to provide that evidence won't help your case much either. Stick to the point and produce your evidence. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Not so much a conspiracy as more a fact reported on at the time by a journalist called Gary Webb. There is a film about it out called Shoot The Messanger starring Jeremy Renner as Gary Webb. After the cia director retired and some time after webs suicide from shooting himself twice in the head..the retired cia director came out the closet to confirm webs journalist report that indeed the cia were involved in the flooding of crack cocaine into its own country. Webb's assertions were not deemed to be facts by many including his own paper who moved him after several investigations into his claims showed to be not proven.. who was the cia director you refer to and have you a link to his input..? webb wasn't moved by his then employer he resigned theres a big difference ime sure yr aware. Also the cia used there contacts in the much bigger newspapers such as los angelese times and mainstay tv news channels to discredit him and his story. The name of the cia director who admitted the story is clearly named at the end of the film ..kill the messanger. 20 years later after the event 7 people have since come forward to collaborate Webbs story ..at the time they were to afaid for fear of having there careers ruined like Gary webs was for daring to print the story that the cia were flooding its own citizens with crack to fund buying arms for the Nicaraguan contras. Do you go along with the cia report into webs suicide that he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head ...twice ? May I recommend watching the film Shoot the messanger ...it certainly gives food for thought. Listen your the one quoting a retired CIA director so furnish the name and the actual link to what they have actually said on the record, if i want to watch a film i shall do so but not in order to give your claim credibility.. Webb was moved to another part of the same paper and then he resigned, he was effectively downgraded.. where is the link to the CIA doing some discredit with the story Webb told..? 3 major publications, Washington Post, New York Times and the Los Angeles times all carried out their own investigations and none came to the same conclusion as Webb did. The LA times had 17 reporters on the issue.. the report on his death was done by the local coroner, his own wife was of the opinion he had killed himself too.. you don't work for the cia by any chance do you? you seem over keen to want to discredit him to as I said the name of the ex cia director is on the end of the film or you can use google...its not that difficult to find. Why should I do your research for you??
Because you're the one making the allegations therefore the burden is on you to supply the proof. Of course you don't have to provide either the name of this CIA director or any link to substantiate your allegations but then don't be surprised if people treat them as what they are, unsubstantiated allegations.
er no it wasn't me that made the allegation it journalist Gary webb who made the allegation and printed the story with the backing of his bosses at the newspaper he worked for.
cmon m8 wake up ..and get with the programme jeeeez lol
You're the one making the allegations here but refusing to provide the backing evidence to substantiate it. If you want people to believe you I think you're the one who needs to wake up.
And trying to discredit those of us pushing you to provide that evidence won't help your case much either. Stick to the point and produce your evidence."already did provide the evidence in earlier post the cia director who later collaborated webb was john deutch ...instead of simply having a pop at me m8 why don't u simply maybe watch the film or do you jut get of on trying to dismiss everything and everyone without even bothering to research the facts ...its a bit of a pretencious stand to take isn't it | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"What is required to substantiate these claims is clear links to the source documents and evidence. Until you can provide that this is just unsubstantiated allegations, another unproven conspiracy not really worth the effort of listening to. i'm not advocating any side of this discussion but here's my previous post .... read it then decide for yourself "the document you're looking for is on the cia website foia cia dot gov .... the document is entitled "managing a nightmare: cia public affairs and the drug conspiracy story" it's a document that was released on 18th of september 2014 after a freedom of information request i got this information when i read an article in the washington post ... i think that the post is a reliable enough mainstream media source and has a proven record of exposing american government wrong doings."" just read it, looks to be as much about the CIA's handling of the issue from the press side to the actual claims.. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"What is required to substantiate these claims is clear links to the source documents and evidence. Until you can provide that this is just unsubstantiated allegations, another unproven conspiracy not really worth the effort of listening to. i'm not advocating any side of this discussion but here's my previous post .... read it then decide for yourself "the document you're looking for is on the cia website foia cia dot gov .... the document is entitled "managing a nightmare: cia public affairs and the drug conspiracy story" it's a document that was released on 18th of september 2014 after a freedom of information request i got this information when i read an article in the washington post ... i think that the post is a reliable enough mainstream media source and has a proven record of exposing american government wrong doings."" Thanks. I only got down to your post after I had already posted the other. I follow the link and read it. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Not so much a conspiracy as more a fact reported on at the time by a journalist called Gary Webb. There is a film about it out called Shoot The Messanger starring Jeremy Renner as Gary Webb. After the cia director retired and some time after webs suicide from shooting himself twice in the head..the retired cia director came out the closet to confirm webs journalist report that indeed the cia were involved in the flooding of crack cocaine into its own country. Webb's assertions were not deemed to be facts by many including his own paper who moved him after several investigations into his claims showed to be not proven.. who was the cia director you refer to and have you a link to his input..? webb wasn't moved by his then employer he resigned theres a big difference ime sure yr aware. Also the cia used there contacts in the much bigger newspapers such as los angelese times and mainstay tv news channels to discredit him and his story. The name of the cia director who admitted the story is clearly named at the end of the film ..kill the messanger. 20 years later after the event 7 people have since come forward to collaborate Webbs story ..at the time they were to afaid for fear of having there careers ruined like Gary webs was for daring to print the story that the cia were flooding its own citizens with crack to fund buying arms for the Nicaraguan contras. Do you go along with the cia report into webs suicide that he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head ...twice ? May I recommend watching the film Shoot the messanger ...it certainly gives food for thought. Listen your the one quoting a retired CIA director so furnish the name and the actual link to what they have actually said on the record, if i want to watch a film i shall do so but not in order to give your claim credibility.. Webb was moved to another part of the same paper and then he resigned, he was effectively downgraded.. where is the link to the CIA doing some discredit with the story Webb told..? 3 major publications, Washington Post, New York Times and the Los Angeles times all carried out their own investigations and none came to the same conclusion as Webb did. The LA times had 17 reporters on the issue.. the report on his death was done by the local coroner, his own wife was of the opinion he had killed himself too.. you don't work for the cia by any chance do you? you seem over keen to want to discredit him to as I said the name of the ex cia director is on the end of the film or you can use google...its not that difficult to find. Why should I do your research for you??
Because you're the one making the allegations therefore the burden is on you to supply the proof. Of course you don't have to provide either the name of this CIA director or any link to substantiate your allegations but then don't be surprised if people treat them as what they are, unsubstantiated allegations.
er no it wasn't me that made the allegation it journalist Gary webb who made the allegation and printed the story with the backing of his bosses at the newspaper he worked for.
cmon m8 wake up ..and get with the programme jeeeez lol
You're the one making the allegations here but refusing to provide the backing evidence to substantiate it. If you want people to believe you I think you're the one who needs to wake up.
And trying to discredit those of us pushing you to provide that evidence won't help your case much either. Stick to the point and produce your evidence.
already did provide the evidence in earlier post the cia director who later collaborated webb was john deutch ...instead of simply having a pop at me m8 why don't u simply maybe watch the film or do you jut get of on trying to dismiss everything and everyone without even bothering to research the facts ...its a bit of a pretencious stand to take isn't it "I'm trying to research it but you won't give the links to anything I can actually go to and research except for some Hollywood film which, by definition, is a work of fiction and I generally do not base my beliefs on works of fiction. So I ask you again, please provide some links to any real evidence that can substantiate Webb's allegations that you have repeated here. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
 | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Not so much a conspiracy as more a fact reported on at the time by a journalist called Gary Webb. There is a film about it out called Shoot The Messanger starring Jeremy Renner as Gary Webb. After the cia director retired and some time after webs suicide from shooting himself twice in the head..the retired cia director came out the closet to confirm webs journalist report that indeed the cia were involved in the flooding of crack cocaine into its own country. Webb's assertions were not deemed to be facts by many including his own paper who moved him after several investigations into his claims showed to be not proven.. who was the cia director you refer to and have you a link to his input..? webb wasn't moved by his then employer he resigned theres a big difference ime sure yr aware. Also the cia used there contacts in the much bigger newspapers such as los angelese times and mainstay tv news channels to discredit him and his story. The name of the cia director who admitted the story is clearly named at the end of the film ..kill the messanger. 20 years later after the event 7 people have since come forward to collaborate Webbs story ..at the time they were to afaid for fear of having there careers ruined like Gary webs was for daring to print the story that the cia were flooding its own citizens with crack to fund buying arms for the Nicaraguan contras. Do you go along with the cia report into webs suicide that he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head ...twice ? May I recommend watching the film Shoot the messanger ...it certainly gives food for thought. Listen your the one quoting a retired CIA director so furnish the name and the actual link to what they have actually said on the record, if i want to watch a film i shall do so but not in order to give your claim credibility.. Webb was moved to another part of the same paper and then he resigned, he was effectively downgraded.. where is the link to the CIA doing some discredit with the story Webb told..? 3 major publications, Washington Post, New York Times and the Los Angeles times all carried out their own investigations and none came to the same conclusion as Webb did. The LA times had 17 reporters on the issue.. the report on his death was done by the local coroner, his own wife was of the opinion he had killed himself too.. you don't work for the cia by any chance do you? you seem over keen to want to discredit him to as I said the name of the ex cia director is on the end of the film or you can use google...its not that difficult to find. Why should I do your research for you??
Because you're the one making the allegations therefore the burden is on you to supply the proof. Of course you don't have to provide either the name of this CIA director or any link to substantiate your allegations but then don't be surprised if people treat them as what they are, unsubstantiated allegations.
er no it wasn't me that made the allegation it journalist Gary webb who made the allegation and printed the story with the backing of his bosses at the newspaper he worked for.
cmon m8 wake up ..and get with the programme jeeeez lol
You're the one making the allegations here but refusing to provide the backing evidence to substantiate it. If you want people to believe you I think you're the one who needs to wake up.
And trying to discredit those of us pushing you to provide that evidence won't help your case much either. Stick to the point and produce your evidence.
already did provide the evidence in earlier post the cia director who later collaborated webb was john deutch ...instead of simply having a pop at me m8 why don't u simply maybe watch the film or do you jut get of on trying to dismiss everything and everyone without even bothering to research the facts ...its a bit of a pretencious stand to take isn't it
I'm trying to research it but you won't give the links to anything I can actually go to and research except for some Hollywood film which, by definition, is a work of fiction and I generally do not base my beliefs on works of fiction.
So I ask you again, please provide some links to any real evidence that can substantiate Webb's allegations that you have repeated here."not jut a film at the end of the film are documented video interviews with john Kerry current secretary of state ive already provided the cia directors name ..john deutch ...I cant be bothered repeating meself no more | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Not so much a conspiracy as more a fact reported on at the time by a journalist called Gary Webb. There is a film about it out called Shoot The Messanger starring Jeremy Renner as Gary Webb. After the cia director retired and some time after webs suicide from shooting himself twice in the head..the retired cia director came out the closet to confirm webs journalist report that indeed the cia were involved in the flooding of crack cocaine into its own country. Webb's assertions were not deemed to be facts by many including his own paper who moved him after several investigations into his claims showed to be not proven.. who was the cia director you refer to and have you a link to his input..? webb wasn't moved by his then employer he resigned theres a big difference ime sure yr aware. Also the cia used there contacts in the much bigger newspapers such as los angelese times and mainstay tv news channels to discredit him and his story. The name of the cia director who admitted the story is clearly named at the end of the film ..kill the messanger. 20 years later after the event 7 people have since come forward to collaborate Webbs story ..at the time they were to afaid for fear of having there careers ruined like Gary webs was for daring to print the story that the cia were flooding its own citizens with crack to fund buying arms for the Nicaraguan contras. Do you go along with the cia report into webs suicide that he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head ...twice ? May I recommend watching the film Shoot the messanger ...it certainly gives food for thought. Listen your the one quoting a retired CIA director so furnish the name and the actual link to what they have actually said on the record, if i want to watch a film i shall do so but not in order to give your claim credibility.. Webb was moved to another part of the same paper and then he resigned, he was effectively downgraded.. where is the link to the CIA doing some discredit with the story Webb told..? 3 major publications, Washington Post, New York Times and the Los Angeles times all carried out their own investigations and none came to the same conclusion as Webb did. The LA times had 17 reporters on the issue.. the report on his death was done by the local coroner, his own wife was of the opinion he had killed himself too.. you don't work for the cia by any chance do you? you seem over keen to want to discredit him to as I said the name of the ex cia director is on the end of the film or you can use google...its not that difficult to find. Why should I do your research for you??
Because you're the one making the allegations therefore the burden is on you to supply the proof. Of course you don't have to provide either the name of this CIA director or any link to substantiate your allegations but then don't be surprised if people treat them as what they are, unsubstantiated allegations.
er no it wasn't me that made the allegation it journalist Gary webb who made the allegation and printed the story with the backing of his bosses at the newspaper he worked for.
cmon m8 wake up ..and get with the programme jeeeez lol
You're the one making the allegations here but refusing to provide the backing evidence to substantiate it. If you want people to believe you I think you're the one who needs to wake up.
And trying to discredit those of us pushing you to provide that evidence won't help your case much either. Stick to the point and produce your evidence.
already did provide the evidence in earlier post the cia director who later collaborated webb was john deutch ...instead of simply having a pop at me m8 why don't u simply maybe watch the film or do you jut get of on trying to dismiss everything and everyone without even bothering to research the facts ...its a bit of a pretencious stand to take isn't it
I'm trying to research it but you won't give the links to anything I can actually go to and research except for some Hollywood film which, by definition, is a work of fiction and I generally do not base my beliefs on works of fiction.
So I ask you again, please provide some links to any real evidence that can substantiate Webb's allegations that you have repeated here.
not jut a film at the end of the film are documented video interviews with john Kerry current secretary of state ive already provided the cia directors name ..john deutch ...I cant be bothered repeating meself no more "Anything on that film, whether true or not, can only be legally considered as part of a work of fiction, not evidence of anything. If John Kerry gave an interview relating to this matter then that interview should be available somewhere other than just on the movie. If it's only available on the movie then it's part of the movie, that is part of the work of fiction (think Forest Gump in same room as JFK) and not evidence. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Isaac your ducking the issue and that tells me you have no answers.. again, link to deutch and webb and where deutch says what you allege.. have looked btw and i cant find it.." I have to confess I didn't go looking for them but I already figured that, if they exist at all, they would be pretty difficult to find, otherwise he would have given them to us hours ago. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"to be fair i was reading this thread and had a look myself for some info from reputable source and came up with it within 3 minutes ..... so i gave the info in my post .... you're just admitting laziness lol .... joke!" me
Lazy! Heaven forbid | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"does that mean you can't find the source i posted? shame i can't give you the hyper-link under fab rules "I think that rule is to prevent people putting links to payed for dating sites on here. I've put links to Government and newspaper sites in the forums and no one has told me not to. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"to be fair i was reading this thread and had a look myself for some info from reputable source and came up with it within 3 minutes ..... so i gave the info in my post .... you're just admitting laziness lol .... joke!" tar I just find it hard to comprehend myself sometimes that a countries on secret service security forces would push drugs on there own citizens and they get away with it but listening to some of the moronic posts on here I now fully understand how indeed they can get away with it | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"to be fair i was reading this thread and had a look myself for some info from reputable source and came up with it within 3 minutes ..... so i gave the info in my post .... you're just admitting laziness lol .... joke! tar I just find it hard to comprehend myself sometimes that a countries on secret service security forces would push drugs on there own citizens and they get away with it but listening to some of the moronic posts on here I now fully understand how indeed they can get away with it "Oh so now some of the posts are 'moronic' .. how mature is that.. is that because (as with other threads) you are unable to back up with any credible source your claims once they are questioned..? you have had several questions which you have ducked or responded with hyperbole .. there is a name for posters such as you.. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"In 1986, the Reagan Administration acknowledged that funds from cocaine smuggling helped fund the Contra rebels, but stated that it was not authorized by the US government or resistance leaders. The Kerry Committee found that Contra drug links included payments to known drug traffickers by the U.S. State Department to carry out humanitarian assistance to the Contras. A CIA internal investigation found that agents had worked with drug traffickers to support the Contra program, but found no evidence of any conspiracy by CIA or its employees to bring drugs into the United States." well they would do wouldn't they not a very independent investigation when there investigating themselves ..its a bit like allowing a criminal to trial themselves ..obviously there gonna find themselves innocent arnt they  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"the document you're looking for is on the cia website foia cia dot gov .... the document is entitled "managing a nightmare: cia public affairs and the drug conspiracy story" it's a document that was released on 18th of september 2014 after a freedom of information request i got this information when i read an article in the washington post ... i think that the post is a reliable enough mainstream media source and has a proven record of exposing american government wrong doings." I love u guys | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"to be fair i was reading this thread and had a look myself for some info from reputable source and came up with it within 3 minutes ..... so i gave the info in my post .... you're just admitting laziness lol .... joke! tar I just find it hard to comprehend myself sometimes that a countries on secret service security forces would push drugs on there own citizens and they get away with it but listening to some of the moronic posts on here I now fully understand how indeed they can get away with it
Oh so now some of the posts are 'moronic' ..
how mature is that..
is that because (as with other threads) you are unable to back up with any credible source your claims once they are questioned..?
you have had several questions which you have ducked or responded with hyperbole ..
there is a name for posters such as you.."think if u care to read the posts ive responded to all your requests and demands even done your research for you. I don't see how you can hold me accountable for your own lack of desire in not wanting to find the truth and believe only what u choose to ,,,that's your prerogative to do with as you please. I apologise if I have upset the status quo of your own beliefs in bringing to light that just maybe the American cia are not the whiter than white good guys you believe them to be. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"In 1986, the Reagan Administration acknowledged that funds from cocaine smuggling helped fund the Contra rebels, but stated that it was not authorized by the US government or resistance leaders. The Kerry Committee found that Contra drug links included payments to known drug traffickers by the U.S. State Department to carry out humanitarian assistance to the Contras. A CIA internal investigation found that agents had worked with drug traffickers to support the Contra program, but found no evidence of any conspiracy by CIA or its employees to bring drugs into the United States. well they would do wouldn't they not a very independent investigation when there investigating themselves ..its a bit like allowing a criminal to trial themselves ..obviously there gonna find themselves innocent arnt they "Then give us something better. I'm.open to the evidence if you produce it. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"to be fair i was reading this thread and had a look myself for some info from reputable source and came up with it within 3 minutes ..... so i gave the info in my post .... you're just admitting laziness lol .... joke! tar I just find it hard to comprehend myself sometimes that a countries on secret service security forces would push drugs on there own citizens and they get away with it but listening to some of the moronic posts on here I now fully understand how indeed they can get away with it
Oh so now some of the posts are 'moronic' ..
how mature is that..
is that because (as with other threads) you are unable to back up with any credible source your claims once they are questioned..?
you have had several questions which you have ducked or responded with hyperbole ..
there is a name for posters such as you..
think if u care to read the posts ive responded to all your requests and demands even done your research for you. I don't see how you can hold me accountable for your own lack of desire in not wanting to find the truth and believe only what u choose to ,,,that's your prerogative to do with as you please.
I apologise if I have upset the status quo of your own beliefs in bringing to light that just maybe the American cia are not the whiter than white good guys you believe them to be."no you have not, plain and simple and for anyone looking objectively it's evident.. and stop it with the facile bollocks that anyone who questions an issue has to be on 'one side' of the debate.. its a cop out and a not very good attempt at a smoke screen to hide behind.. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It's clear that the CIA is not whiter than white and that, in pursuit of it's objectives, has definitely crossed a line that most people would feel should not be crossed. However Isaac's allocation that the CIA was directly involved in importing illegal drugs, in particular crack cocaine, into the US can not he substantiated, even the Kerry Committee did not find or conclude that." agreed the CIA have had their not so clean fingers in many area's usually at the cost of lives and democracy so when they can be shown to done x,y or z then they deserve the necessary sanction.. if the facts don't support it then that's that, anything else is just supposition.. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It's clear that the CIA is not whiter than white and that, in pursuit of it's objectives, has definitely crossed a line that most people would feel should not be crossed. However Isaac's allocation that the CIA was directly involved in importing illegal drugs, in particular crack cocaine, into the US can not he substantiated, even the Kerry Committee did not find or conclude that. agreed the CIA have had their not so clean fingers in many area's usually at the cost of lives and democracy so when they can be shown to done x,y or z then they deserve the necessary sanction.. if the facts don't support it then that's that, anything else is just supposition.." It isn't supposition. Twenty years after the story broke. Reporters from the various newspapers such as the LA times who set about discrediting web have come forward to state that they were contacted by the cia and told to smear and discredit Webb. They were afraid to at the time as they feared for there lives and careers. As with Webb who after breaking the story was refused to work in journalism again leading to his very suspicious suicide. John Deutch the acting cia director at the time, some years after his retirement did admit that fellow cia operators were allowing Nicaraguan drug lords free passage to ship there drugs into the usa. But he adds he had no knowledge of this. He would say that though wouldn't he lol. With regards to John Kerries interview, maybe you are watching a different video interview on the one I watched, he admitted that taking into account the fact that these drug lords were allowed free drug passage routes into the States it is highly likely that our intelligence services were turning a blind eye. He continues to state that the cia had friendly business meetings in Nicaragua with these people. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
 | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Savage him mabey.but lets face it the war criminal isnt gona stand trial.is disgusting he sent our troops to die just for his ego and to please his fuckbuddy george w" Yeah we can't undo the past.... But it'll be nice to watch him squirm ...and who knows maybe he will hold his hands up and seek forgiveness by offering a full-on confession that it was handled badly and people needlessly died partly because of his ineptitude .... 
Or maybe the report will totally exonerated him....
We'll have to wait and see.... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Post new Message to Thread |
| back to top |  |
