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"Don't see why not" Except for the fact that almost all (commercial) pornography involving women portrays them as sex objects that exist only for male pleasure? | |||
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"Don't see why not Except for the fact that almost all (commercial) pornography involving women portrays them as sex objects that exist only for male pleasure?" not sure about that, there are so many different types of porn if you look you should be able to find something you like. | |||
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"Buyers market, if it bothers you, why don't you produce some better quality porn?" Because I don't have the estimated £20k behind me in order to fund the start up costs of a commercial porn site. Or that was the figure a friend of mine (who owns a highly successful chain of porn websites) estimated. Also I'm not sure how best to challenge these problems of objectification. That's one of the things I study and explore with my own photography. I don't have all the answers, but I'm attempting to figure out what the questions are. | |||
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"Who makes the really big bucks from porn ???? men or woman ????" the producers | |||
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"Porn can empower women if they keep the cameras rolling after the shoot has finished and show the girls getting paid 3 to 5 times what the studs get. " The downside is, of course, that generally men get more and more valued in their careers as they get older. A woman in porn isn't comparable. She get's paid some cash, but soon she'll find herself marked as 'undesirable' by the male viewers and then she's got to find work in a world that treats her as a leper because she did porn... being naked on the internet potentially damages every other job you go for from that moment forward, because as much as our society likes to watch a slut in porn, we don't want them as one of our employees or coworkers. | |||
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"Porn can empower women if they keep the cameras rolling after the shoot has finished and show the girls getting paid 3 to 5 times what the studs get. " That's a shit argument, the male performers clearly aren't empowered by porn either. It's the producers etc who make the money out of it. | |||
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"In what sense? Watching or being in porn? " This is the question! From a 'watching' point of view there's no reason it can't help women explore, learn and enable them to decide and set their own boundaries and interests in terms of sex. Look at the whole '50 Shades' situation - whether you like the books or not it opened up an aspect of sex to the masses, many of whom were women and in a way made porn (the books can be classified as such) more mass market. In terms of being in porn? I guess some women would say yes - some no. Those that have made a successful career out of participating in the industry would probably say there's been an element of empowerment. But for every one of them there'll be those that have felt exploited and used. It's a tricky one. I don't think there's a right answer tbh. A | |||
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"Who makes the really big bucks from porn ???? men or woman ????" Probably the makers. | |||
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"Its up to women to write, direct, produce and distribute THEIR porn. Nobody is going to do it for them, least of all the porn barons around nowadays. Many of them have links to the criminal underworld, as hardcore porn was illegal and attracted the criminals. The same as drug dealing had and alcohol did during prohibition. They won't take kindly to anyone, let alone women muscling in. Porn legislation is seeing more and more subject matter being driven back underground, playing into the hands of the gangsters. But its not an intractable problem. Stop the criminalising of porn, it becomes less difficult to enter into the business of making it. Women can do it, they just have to want to. Nobody stopped Anne Summers from creating a business based around sex. I hear the refrain time and again, " nobody is making for women". Well go out there and do it!" Ann Summers is in fact a man. And he sold the company to another man. So at the moment Ann Summers is an old jewish bloke. Although I think his daughter is running the business now. | |||
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"My post got removed,I mentioned a few female porn directors" Just because someone is a woman doesn't make their input to society empowering for women. One of the main photographers for the Sun always used to be a woman, and there are women politicians who would would see things like access to contraception and reproductive health restricted... | |||
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"Its up to women to write, direct, produce and distribute THEIR porn. Nobody is going to do it for them, least of all the porn barons around nowadays. Many of them have links to the criminal underworld, as hardcore porn was illegal and attracted the criminals. The same as drug dealing had and alcohol did during prohibition. They won't take kindly to anyone, let alone women muscling in. Porn legislation is seeing more and more subject matter being driven back underground, playing into the hands of the gangsters. But its not an intractable problem. Stop the criminalising of porn, it becomes less difficult to enter into the business of making it. Women can do it, they just have to want to. Nobody stopped Anne Summers from creating a business based around sex. I hear the refrain time and again, " nobody is making for women". Well go out there and do it! Ann Summers is in fact a man. And he sold the company to another man. So at the moment Ann Summers is an old jewish bloke. Although I think his daughter is running the business now. " Ann Summers owns West Ham | |||
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"Porn can empower women if they keep the cameras rolling after the shoot has finished and show the girls getting paid 3 to 5 times what the studs get. The downside is, of course, that generally men get more and more valued in their careers as they get older. A woman in porn isn't comparable. She get's paid some cash, but soon she'll find herself marked as 'undesirable' by the male viewers and then she's got to find work in a world that treats her as a leper because she did porn... being naked on the internet potentially damages every other job you go for from that moment forward, because as much as our society likes to watch a slut in porn, we don't want them as one of our employees or coworkers." | |||
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"As porn stands just now no! It's mostly very brutal hard fucking or a few dominate woman being basically nasty bitches none of that is positive for women it just makes men seek more aggressive sex or women think they need to be sexually accepting mad frenzied sex as part of the norm Real women porn doesn't sell its very gentle beautiful sex and made in beautiful settings ie very expensive so the male market doesn't want it sexist? Lol " | |||
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"Plenty of women making a good profit using social media to advertise their product. Certainly didn't cost them £20k to start up" But the point being made isn't about starting a single successful buisness but a change in the entire industry. The 'buyers market' doesn't change overnight with a new 'product'. | |||
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"Its up to women to write, direct, produce and distribute THEIR porn. Nobody is going to do it for them, least of all the porn barons around nowadays. Many of them have links to the criminal underworld, as hardcore porn was illegal and attracted the criminals. The same as drug dealing had and alcohol did during prohibition. They won't take kindly to anyone, let alone women muscling in. Porn legislation is seeing more and more subject matter being driven back underground, playing into the hands of the gangsters. But its not an intractable problem. Stop the criminalising of porn, it becomes less difficult to enter into the business of making it. Women can do it, they just have to want to. Nobody stopped Anne Summers from creating a business based around sex. I hear the refrain time and again, " nobody is making for women". Well go out there and do it! Ann Summers is in fact a man. And he sold the company to another man. So at the moment Ann Summers is an old jewish bloke. Although I think his daughter is running the business now. " And by his daughter running it, its become a lot more female friendly. There is a massive market for female friendly porn. It just takes a woman with balls ( as it were) to take advantage of it. | |||
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"I don't watch much porn so I don't feel qualified to comment. I can see several potential angles though, some positive and some negative. I don't know enough about it to see more than possible answers." Well, I could set you some homework. A couple of classic and more modern examples, for you to look at, then write me a dissertation (on scented paper and in green ink!). | |||
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"I don't watch much porn so I don't feel qualified to comment. I can see several potential angles though, some positive and some negative. I don't know enough about it to see more than possible answers. Well, I could set you some homework. A couple of classic and more modern examples, for you to look at, then write me a dissertation (on scented paper and in green ink!). " I'll stick with the coursework I have thanks | |||
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"Has anyone checked out the make love not porn site in beta at the moment? The concept is that real people having real life sex can upload their own video and pay a fiver to do so, if you want to rent a video for 3 weeks it costs a fiver, and half the revenue from your video rental goes back to you in a profit sharing model. Interesting, as they are trying to create a social media style platform for real life sex, to show the normal, giggling, fun, messy sex that real people have rather than the 'gold standard' porn out there that rarely shows putting a condom on for example. I think this could be empowering for both men and women." Tell Woman's Hour about this. | |||
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"Plenty of women making a good profit using social media to advertise their product. Certainly didn't cost them £20k to start up But the point being made isn't about starting a single successful buisness but a change in the entire industry. The 'buyers market' doesn't change overnight with a new 'product'." that wasn't the point I was answering | |||
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"Plenty of women making a good profit using social media to advertise their product. Certainly didn't cost them £20k to start up But the point being made isn't about starting a single successful buisness but a change in the entire industry. The 'buyers market' doesn't change overnight with a new 'product'.that wasn't the point I was answering" Yes it was, and you refer to the 'buyers market ' yourself. The point was made about the industry by wasp, and you responded in terms of the industry. | |||
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"Plenty of women making a good profit using social media to advertise their product. Certainly didn't cost them £20k to start up" It costs alot of money to start a porn site. You have to pay for web development, for security costs, for merchant costs, then you have to buy equipment, hire premises, hire staff, hire models, pay advertising, hold insurance, put money aside for taxes, pay an accountant etc. And of course you have to have a decent catalogue when you launch your site - so you have to have made lots of content before you even go live. It's an expensive business. No longer is it the preserve of some guy in his spare bedroom filming a couple of naked chicks. | |||
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"Porn can empower women if they keep the cameras rolling after the shoot has finished and show the girls getting paid 3 to 5 times what the studs get. The downside is, of course, that generally men get more and more valued in their careers as they get older. A woman in porn isn't comparable. She get's paid some cash, but soon she'll find herself marked as 'undesirable' by the male viewers and then she's got to find work in a world that treats her as a leper because she did porn... being naked on the internet potentially damages every other job you go for from that moment forward, because as much as our society likes to watch a slut in porn, we don't want them as one of our employees or coworkers. " Very true unfortunately! Society still has double standards for men and women - part of the reason, perhaps, for the lack single fems on fab - as we know we'll be pariahs if we're 'outed'! I find watching porn empowering - it was the start of the journey that led me to fab and swinging - but never in a million years would I 'star' in porn or knowingly allow sexual images of me to be loaded onto the internet! As a middle class, middle aged single woman, society expects me to stay at home and wait for my mr right to come knocking - not swing or do porn!! | |||
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