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"Instead of spending time,money n hot air,err media coverage,lets encourage everyone else who doesn't feel British or want to fit in to British way of life to head to the middle east,easy for them to go,but once gone do not let them back,then if their happy to meet their god,do it in some other country,solving onez of this country's problems " I agree | |||
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"Instead of spending time,money n hot air,err media coverage,lets encourage everyone else who doesn't feel British or want to fit in to British way of life to head to the middle east,easy for them to go,but once gone do not let them back,then if their happy to meet their god,do it in some other country,solving one of this country's problems " Well said | |||
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"Instead of spending time,money n hot air,err media coverage,lets encourage everyone else who doesn't feel British or want to fit in to British way of life to head to the middle east,easy for them to go,but once gone do not let them back,then if their happy to meet their god,do it in some other country,solving one of this country's problems " I'm not sure it's a case of not feeling 'British' it's more a case of feeling disaffected, as many teenagers do, and being brainwashed by people who've twisted a religion to use as a catalyst for their own ends. Just look at the other young lad who was arrested. He was kicked out and had no one, then was swooped upon and had his mind set twisted in a matter of months. | |||
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"Instead of spending time,money n hot air,err media coverage,lets encourage everyone else who doesn't feel British or want to fit in to British way of life to head to the middle east,easy for them to go,but once gone do not let them back,then if their happy to meet their god,do it in some other country,solving one of this country's problems " I agree with the sentiment, but I believe they have British passports, so will always be allowed back in the UK. Personally, I think fuck em, they've made their bed, let them sleep in it. They are in for a big shock when they get to IS. | |||
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"Apparently they're all straight A students so they are bright enough to know what they are doing. They have seen the beheadings and that poor pilot burned alive and all the other inhuman acts Isis carry out. They should and hopefully will be tried as terrorists on their return no matter what age or sex they are. " on their return ???? they should not EVER be allowed back into this country | |||
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"Apparently they're all straight A students so they are bright enough to know what they are doing. They have seen the beheadings and that poor pilot burned alive and all the other inhuman acts Isis carry out. They should and hopefully will be tried as terrorists on their return no matter what age or sex they are. on their return ???? they should not EVER be allowed back into this country" No I agree but they will be allowed back and when they do they'll hopefully be locked away. | |||
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"Bollocks what a load of shit.. I'm fucking disaffected for fuck sake I've spent 20 years on God damn green party march's from here to Glasgow and got fucking nowhere. I've actually tried changing politics and policies these three can't be disaffected because they ain't tried anything to be disaffected about. Find out who's filled their heads with bollocks and give them 20 years, or send them out to Syria if they love it so much" from what I understand, it appears that the person who got them to go to Syria is already there, they think it was a girl from their school who went before Christmas to assist in the recruitment process | |||
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"One has to wonder what is so wrong with British society that our citizens wish to join an organisation that wishes only to see pretty much everything that it stands for destroyed. " maybe because years of misplaced multiculturalism n political correctness has meant that instead of having to fit in,or fck off as is the case in most country's,people can live here without even having to speak english or accept this countrys values and we pander to them? | |||
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"Bollocks what a load of shit.. I'm fucking disaffected for fuck sake I've spent 20 years on God damn green party march's from here to Glasgow and got fucking nowhere. I've actually tried changing politics and policies these three can't be disaffected because they ain't tried anything to be disaffected about. Find out who's filled their heads with bollocks and give them 20 years, or send them out to Syria if they love it so much from what I understand, it appears that the person who got them to go to Syria is already there, they think it was a girl from their school who went before Christmas to assist in the recruitment process" . What 4 from the same school . Where the fuck is Ofsted when you want them | |||
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"Apparently they're all straight A students so they are bright enough to know what they are doing. They have seen the beheadings and that poor pilot burned alive and all the other inhuman acts Isis carry out. They should and hopefully will be tried as terrorists on their return no matter what age or sex they are. on their return ???? they should not EVER be allowed back into this country No I agree but they will be allowed back and when they do they'll hopefully be locked away." I don't think anyone regardless of gender or age should be allowed back in the country, how do we know they haven't been sent back with a mission, easy to use a 15 year old girl to tug on our heart strings and let her back in but we don't know what orders she may have been sent with | |||
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"Bollocks what a load of shit.. I'm fucking disaffected for fuck sake I've spent 20 years on God damn green party march's from here to Glasgow and got fucking nowhere. I've actually tried changing politics and policies these three can't be disaffected because they ain't tried anything to be disaffected about. Find out who's filled their heads with bollocks and give them 20 years, or send them out to Syria if they love it so much from what I understand, it appears that the person who got them to go to Syria is already there, they think it was a girl from their school who went before Christmas to assist in the recruitment process" the woman who they think 'recruited' them is from Glasgow i think and has been disowned by her family as a terrorist.. | |||
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"well its been all over the news channels for the past few days. Ime confused the media make it sound like they are innocent girls who have gone missing from home. when they know there not missing as such. They have gone to join Islamic state. There parents are blaming our security services??? I note it didn't take long for them to get a solicitor on the case . Maybe they should try looking closer to home to pass the blame. " not to mention where they got the money from to fly | |||
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"One has to wonder what is so wrong with British society that our citizens wish to join an organisation that wishes only to see pretty much everything that it stands for destroyed. maybe because years of misplaced multiculturalism n political correctness has meant that instead of having to fit in,or fck off as is the case in most country's,people can live here without even having to speak english or accept this countrys values and we pander to them?" Do you mean like British ex-pats who are well known around the world for integrating in to local communities? Or is that different? | |||
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"One has to wonder what is so wrong with British society that our citizens wish to join an organisation that wishes only to see pretty much everything that it stands for destroyed. maybe because years of misplaced multiculturalism n political correctness has meant that instead of having to fit in,or fck off as is the case in most country's,people can live here without even having to speak english or accept this countrys values and we pander to them?" Ha, so what you're actually saying is multiculturalism works as it makes those wishing to fight the west, leave? | |||
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"not to mention where they got the money from to fly" a flight to Turkey one way from as low as £66.. most 15 yr olds will have that sort of money.. | |||
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"One has to wonder what is so wrong with British society that our citizens wish to join an organisation that wishes only to see pretty much everything that it stands for destroyed. maybe because years of misplaced multiculturalism n political correctness has meant that instead of having to fit in,or fck off as is the case in most country's,people can live here without even having to speak english or accept this countrys values and we pander to them?" | |||
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"One has to wonder what is so wrong with British society that our citizens wish to join an organisation that wishes only to see pretty much everything that it stands for destroyed. maybe because years of misplaced multiculturalism n political correctness has meant that instead of having to fit in,or fck off as is the case in most country's,people can live here without even having to speak english or accept this countrys values and we pander to them? Do you mean like British ex-pats who are well known around the world for integrating in to local communities? Or is that different?" err dont think Britain living on the costa encourage the downfall of the Spanish state or carry suicide bombs? | |||
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"Apparently they're all straight A students so they are bright enough to know what they are doing. They have seen the beheadings and that poor pilot burned alive and all the other inhuman acts Isis carry out. They should and hopefully will be tried as terrorists on their return no matter what age or sex they are. on their return ???? they should not EVER be allowed back into this country No I agree but they will be allowed back and when they do they'll hopefully be locked away. I don't think anyone regardless of gender or age should be allowed back in the country, how do we know they haven't been sent back with a mission, easy to use a 15 year old girl to tug on our heart strings and let her back in but we don't know what orders she may have been sent with " Nobody has said they should be allowed back in but the fact is that they will be allowed to return by the authorities as they are British citizens. | |||
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"Apparently they're all straight A students so they are bright enough to know what they are doing. They have seen the beheadings and that poor pilot burned alive and all the other inhuman acts Isis carry out. They should and hopefully will be tried as terrorists on their return no matter what age or sex they are. on their return ???? they should not EVER be allowed back into this country No I agree but they will be allowed back and when they do they'll hopefully be locked away. I don't think anyone regardless of gender or age should be allowed back in the country, how do we know they haven't been sent back with a mission, easy to use a 15 year old girl to tug on our heart strings and let her back in but we don't know what orders she may have been sent with Nobody has said they should be allowed back in but the fact is that they will be allowed to return by the authorities as they are British citizens. " I know noone has said they should be, I'm just putting my ten pence worth in not everything on here is a personal attack on what others have said | |||
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" Do you mean like British ex-pats who are well known around the world for integrating in to local communities? Or is that different?" i agree and disagree to a certain degree ...whilst we dont all enrol on an evening class in spanish before boarding the next next flight to the costa del sol ...im not actually aware of brits going abroad and demanding a pint on their dinner break and non halal meat in the canteen etc in countries where this kind of practice is not customary ...i have however worked with people who demand the right to pray in a private room in the uk at work whilst not on a break | |||
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"Apparently they're all straight A students so they are bright enough to know what they are doing. They have seen the beheadings and that poor pilot burned alive and all the other inhuman acts Isis carry out. They should and hopefully will be tried as terrorists on their return no matter what age or sex they are. on their return ???? they should not EVER be allowed back into this country No I agree but they will be allowed back and when they do they'll hopefully be locked away. I don't think anyone regardless of gender or age should be allowed back in the country, how do we know they haven't been sent back with a mission, easy to use a 15 year old girl to tug on our heart strings and let her back in but we don't know what orders she may have been sent with Nobody has said they should be allowed back in but the fact is that they will be allowed to return by the authorities as they are British citizens. I know noone has said they should be, I'm just putting my ten pence worth in not everything on here is a personal attack on what others have said " I didn't say it was did I(joking). Forgive my misinterpretation, I do apologise. | |||
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"All else aside these are 15 year old children, our daughter ran away at that age she imagined she was old enough and mature enough to survive alone in London, we were sick with worry as I suspect the parents of these girls will be. People are vulnerable to romanticized notions at that age and I for one feel sorry for them, they are headed for a life of hell. " 15 and vulnerable and just kids . And maybe brainwashed into thinking its where they need to be. | |||
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"All else aside these are 15 year old children, our daughter ran away at that age she imagined she was old enough and mature enough to survive alone in London, we were sick with worry as I suspect the parents of these girls will be. People are vulnerable to romanticized notions at that age and I for one feel sorry for them, they are headed for a life of hell. 15 and vulnerable and just kids . And maybe brainwashed into thinking its where they need to be." They're victims of grooming by paedophiles. crystal | |||
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"All else aside these are 15 year old children " in which country ??? from what i understand they are off to get married because they are adults....is this an option now pick two countries and just keep flying backwards and forwards across borders when you want to be respected as an adult and when the shit hits the fan and you dont want to be held responsible foryour actions fly back to the safe haven of being a juvenille again and mammy will look after you again ? | |||
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"All else aside these are 15 year old children in which country ??? from what i understand they are off to get married because they are adults....is this an option now pick two countries and just keep flying backwards and forwards across borders when you want to be respected as an adult and when the shit hits the fan and you dont want to be held responsible foryour actions fly back to the safe haven of being a juvenille again and mammy will look after you again ?" They won't be returning once they reach Syria and yes I believe they are children. | |||
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"All else aside these are 15 year old children, our daughter ran away at that age she imagined she was old enough and mature enough to survive alone in London, we were sick with worry as I suspect the parents of these girls will be. People are vulnerable to romanticized notions at that age and I for one feel sorry for them, they are headed for a life of hell. 15 and vulnerable and just kids . And maybe brainwashed into thinking its where they need to be. They're victims of grooming by paedophiles. crystal" so there intelligent grade a students old enuff to know whats what, yet never watch the news and think that isis is a summer camp in Syria cos an online buddy told them so ? why does it seem to be that this country thrives on finding victims when there are not any to find ! | |||
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"All else aside these are 15 year old children, our daughter ran away at that age she imagined she was old enough and mature enough to survive alone in London, we were sick with worry as I suspect the parents of these girls will be. People are vulnerable to romanticized notions at that age and I for one feel sorry for them, they are headed for a life of hell. 15 and vulnerable and just kids . And maybe brainwashed into thinking its where they need to be. They're victims of grooming by paedophiles. crystal so there intelligent grade a students old enuff to know whats what, yet never watch the news and think that isis is a summer camp in Syria cos an online buddy told them so ? why does it seem to be that this country thrives on finding victims when there are not any to find ! " Are they so different to our 15 year olds ? A lot of ours do well at school and would never do this ... Brainwashing is going on here to make them feel its there place to be ... when it should be with their families. | |||
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"All else aside these are 15 year old children, our daughter ran away at that age she imagined she was old enough and mature enough to survive alone in London, we were sick with worry as I suspect the parents of these girls will be. People are vulnerable to romanticized notions at that age and I for one feel sorry for them, they are headed for a life of hell. 15 and vulnerable and just kids . And maybe brainwashed into thinking its where they need to be. They're victims of grooming by paedophiles. crystal so there intelligent grade a students old enuff to know whats what, yet never watch the news and think that isis is a summer camp in Syria cos an online buddy told them so ? why does it seem to be that this country thrives on finding victims when there are not any to find ! " They won't be looking at this with a rational mind and probably believe the news reports are untrue. You don't think these girls are victims but I do, they probably won't be coming back even if they want to. | |||
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"All else aside these are 15 year old children, our daughter ran away at that age she imagined she was old enough and mature enough to survive alone in London, we were sick with worry as I suspect the parents of these girls will be. People are vulnerable to romanticized notions at that age and I for one feel sorry for them, they are headed for a life of hell. 15 and vulnerable and just kids . And maybe brainwashed into thinking its where they need to be. They're victims of grooming by paedophiles. crystal so there intelligent grade a students old enuff to know whats what, yet never watch the news and think that isis is a summer camp in Syria cos an online buddy told them so ? why does it seem to be that this country thrives on finding victims when there are not any to find ! Are they so different to our 15 year olds ? A lot of ours do well at school and would never do this ... Brainwashing is going on here to make them feel its there place to be ... when it should be with their families." They are "our" 15 year olds. | |||
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"All else aside these are 15 year old children, our daughter ran away at that age she imagined she was old enough and mature enough to survive alone in London, we were sick with worry as I suspect the parents of these girls will be. People are vulnerable to romanticized notions at that age and I for one feel sorry for them, they are headed for a life of hell. 15 and vulnerable and just kids . And maybe brainwashed into thinking its where they need to be. They're victims of grooming by paedophiles. crystal so there intelligent grade a students old enuff to know whats what, yet never watch the news and think that isis is a summer camp in Syria cos an online buddy told them so ? why does it seem to be that this country thrives on finding victims when there are not any to find ! Are they so different to our 15 year olds ? A lot of ours do well at school and would never do this ... Brainwashing is going on here to make them feel its there place to be ... when it should be with their families. They are "our" 15 year olds." sure are ........ and brainwashed I see them as victims in this and if my 15 year old I would be getting on a plane. | |||
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"These are very young girls who have been lured by what can only be seen as a religious cult. Even adults are caught up in such things. An old school friend of mine died in the Waco Siege along with her 7 year old daughter. The Branch Davidians were intent on using violence against the authorities and had stockpiled quite an arsenal. There was sympathy for them in general. This case is similar. Yet, because it involves people presenting themselves as Muslims (which they are not) people are scathing, unsympathetic and generally quite intolerant in their _iews. " | |||
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"These are very young girls who have been lured by what can only be seen as a religious cult. Even adults are caught up in such things. An old school friend of mine died in the Waco Siege along with her 7 year old daughter. The Branch Davidians were intent on using violence against the authorities and had stockpiled quite an arsenal. There was sympathy for them in general. This case is similar. Yet, because it involves people presenting themselves as Muslims (which they are not) people are scathing, unsympathetic and generally quite intolerant in their _iews. " They may be bright and intelligent but they're 15 year olds. Teenagers are idiots and a lot more vulnerable than they think they are. They've been influenced by external sources - call it brainwashing or call it grooming, but they're not adults and I don't believe they understand what's going to be waiting for them should they make it to Syria. Of course their _iews are completely abhorrent, but it's still awful for their families. | |||
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"All else aside these are 15 year old children, our daughter ran away at that age she imagined she was old enough and mature enough to survive alone in London, we were sick with worry as I suspect the parents of these girls will be. People are vulnerable to romanticized notions at that age and I for one feel sorry for them, they are headed for a life of hell. 15 and vulnerable and just kids . And maybe brainwashed into thinking its where they need to be. They're victims of grooming by paedophiles. crystal so there intelligent grade a students old enuff to know whats what, yet never watch the news and think that isis is a summer camp in Syria cos an online buddy told them so ? why does it seem to be that this country thrives on finding victims when there are not any to find ! Are they so different to our 15 year olds ? A lot of ours do well at school and would never do this ... Brainwashing is going on here to make them feel its there place to be ... when it should be with their families. They are "our" 15 year olds.sure are ........ and brainwashed I see them as victims in this and if my 15 year old I would be getting on a plane." How do we know they were brainwashed? How do we know they don't know full well what they are getting into and doing it willingly How do we not know that they went looking for this, I mean they had to log onto their web site in order to be 'groomed' who made them do that while sat in their bedrooms? Why is everyone assuming they were brainwashed Some people fight and support the IS by the own free will | |||
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"I think they definitely know what they are doing. But I do not know what benefits they will get from it. It's also pretty much treason to go and join a terrorist organisation that has declared it hates Britain. They have forfeited their UK nationality and should, if caught, go through the Iraqi courts and suffer the consequences " Why would you have them go through the Iraqi courts? | |||
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"I think they definitely know what they are doing. But I do not know what benefits they will get from it. It's also pretty much treason to go and join a terrorist organisation that has declared it hates Britain. They have forfeited their UK nationality and should, if caught, go through the Iraqi courts and suffer the consequences Why would you have them go through the Iraqi courts?" Because the Islamic State is murdering and causing havoc in Iraq. If an Iraqi terrorist were to attack our country they should face our justice. And vice versa | |||
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"All else aside these are 15 year old children, our daughter ran away at that age she imagined she was old enough and mature enough to survive alone in London, we were sick with worry as I suspect the parents of these girls will be. People are vulnerable to romanticized notions at that age and I for one feel sorry for them, they are headed for a life of hell. 15 and vulnerable and just kids . And maybe brainwashed into thinking its where they need to be. They're victims of grooming by paedophiles. crystal so there intelligent grade a students old enuff to know whats what, yet never watch the news and think that isis is a summer camp in Syria cos an online buddy told them so ? why does it seem to be that this country thrives on finding victims when there are not any to find ! Are they so different to our 15 year olds ? A lot of ours do well at school and would never do this ... Brainwashing is going on here to make them feel its there place to be ... when it should be with their families. They are "our" 15 year olds.sure are ........ and brainwashed I see them as victims in this and if my 15 year old I would be getting on a plane. How do we know they were brainwashed? How do we know they don't know full well what they are getting into and doing it willingly How do we not know that they went looking for this, I mean they had to log onto their web site in order to be 'groomed' who made them do that while sat in their bedrooms? Why is everyone assuming they were brainwashed Some people fight and support the IS by the own free will" | |||
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"All else aside these are 15 year old children, our daughter ran away at that age she imagined she was old enough and mature enough to survive alone in London, we were sick with worry as I suspect the parents of these girls will be. People are vulnerable to romanticized notions at that age and I for one feel sorry for them, they are headed for a life of hell. 15 and vulnerable and just kids . And maybe brainwashed into thinking its where they need to be. They're victims of grooming by paedophiles. crystal so there intelligent grade a students old enuff to know whats what, yet never watch the news and think that isis is a summer camp in Syria cos an online buddy told them so ? why does it seem to be that this country thrives on finding victims when there are not any to find ! Are they so different to our 15 year olds ? A lot of ours do well at school and would never do this ... Brainwashing is going on here to make them feel its there place to be ... when it should be with their families. They are "our" 15 year olds.sure are ........ and brainwashed I see them as victims in this and if my 15 year old I would be getting on a plane. How do we know they were brainwashed? How do we know they don't know full well what they are getting into and doing it willingly How do we not know that they went looking for this, I mean they had to log onto their web site in order to be 'groomed' who made them do that while sat in their bedrooms? Why is everyone assuming they were brainwashed Some people fight and support the IS by the own free will " Maybe some through wanting to appear politically correct are brainwashed into believing they must have been brain washed | |||
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"All else aside these are 15 year old children, our daughter ran away at that age she imagined she was old enough and mature enough to survive alone in London, we were sick with worry as I suspect the parents of these girls will be. People are vulnerable to romanticized notions at that age and I for one feel sorry for them, they are headed for a life of hell. 15 and vulnerable and just kids . And maybe brainwashed into thinking its where they need to be. They're victims of grooming by paedophiles. crystal so there intelligent grade a students old enuff to know whats what, yet never watch the news and think that isis is a summer camp in Syria cos an online buddy told them so ? why does it seem to be that this country thrives on finding victims when there are not any to find ! Are they so different to our 15 year olds ? A lot of ours do well at school and would never do this ... Brainwashing is going on here to make them feel its there place to be ... when it should be with their families. They are "our" 15 year olds.sure are ........ and brainwashed I see them as victims in this and if my 15 year old I would be getting on a plane. How do we know they were brainwashed? How do we know they don't know full well what they are getting into and doing it willingly How do we not know that they went looking for this, I mean they had to log onto their web site in order to be 'groomed' who made them do that while sat in their bedrooms? Why is everyone assuming they were brainwashed Some people fight and support the IS by the own free will" If the story was 3 teenage girls running away abroad to meet men, without the terrorism angle, we'd be saying they were victims of child sexual exploitation, not old enough to know what they're doing etc etc. What makes this different? | |||
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"All else aside these are 15 year old children, our daughter ran away at that age she imagined she was old enough and mature enough to survive alone in London, we were sick with worry as I suspect the parents of these girls will be. People are vulnerable to romanticized notions at that age and I for one feel sorry for them, they are headed for a life of hell. 15 and vulnerable and just kids . And maybe brainwashed into thinking its where they need to be. They're victims of grooming by paedophiles. crystal so there intelligent grade a students old enuff to know whats what, yet never watch the news and think that isis is a summer camp in Syria cos an online buddy told them so ? why does it seem to be that this country thrives on finding victims when there are not any to find ! Are they so different to our 15 year olds ? A lot of ours do well at school and would never do this ... Brainwashing is going on here to make them feel its there place to be ... when it should be with their families. They are "our" 15 year olds.sure are ........ and brainwashed I see them as victims in this and if my 15 year old I would be getting on a plane. How do we know they were brainwashed? How do we know they don't know full well what they are getting into and doing it willingly How do we not know that they went looking for this, I mean they had to log onto their web site in order to be 'groomed' who made them do that while sat in their bedrooms? Why is everyone assuming they were brainwashed Some people fight and support the IS by the own free will Maybe some through wanting to appear politically correct are brainwashed into believing they must have been brain washed " Brainwashing grooming call it what you like ........ sites on the net and others made them feel like it was there place to be doing this and going there and I am sure more will come out how its all done . | |||
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"Instead of spending time,money n hot air,err media coverage,lets encourage everyone else who doesn't feel British or want to fit in to British way of life to head to the middle east,easy for them to go,but once gone do not let them back,then if their happy to meet their god,do it in some other country,solving one of this country's problems " | |||
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"All else aside these are 15 year old children, our daughter ran away at that age she imagined she was old enough and mature enough to survive alone in London, we were sick with worry as I suspect the parents of these girls will be. People are vulnerable to romanticized notions at that age and I for one feel sorry for them, they are headed for a life of hell. 15 and vulnerable and just kids . And maybe brainwashed into thinking its where they need to be. They're victims of grooming by paedophiles. crystal so there intelligent grade a students old enuff to know whats what, yet never watch the news and think that isis is a summer camp in Syria cos an online buddy told them so ? why does it seem to be that this country thrives on finding victims when there are not any to find ! Are they so different to our 15 year olds ? A lot of ours do well at school and would never do this ... Brainwashing is going on here to make them feel its there place to be ... when it should be with their families. They are "our" 15 year olds.sure are ........ and brainwashed I see them as victims in this and if my 15 year old I would be getting on a plane. How do we know they were brainwashed? How do we know they don't know full well what they are getting into and doing it willingly How do we not know that they went looking for this, I mean they had to log onto their web site in order to be 'groomed' who made them do that while sat in their bedrooms? Why is everyone assuming they were brainwashed Some people fight and support the IS by the own free will If the story was 3 teenage girls running away abroad to meet men, without the terrorism angle, we'd be saying they were victims of child sexual exploitation, not old enough to know what they're doing etc etc. What makes this different? " Because as is seen in many of the above posts some are desperate to dehumanise and hate muslims. Even if they are children. And then they ask why these people are disaffected | |||
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"All else aside these are 15 year old children, our daughter ran away at that age she imagined she was old enough and mature enough to survive alone in London, we were sick with worry as I suspect the parents of these girls will be. People are vulnerable to romanticized notions at that age and I for one feel sorry for them, they are headed for a life of hell. 15 and vulnerable and just kids . And maybe brainwashed into thinking its where they need to be. They're victims of grooming by paedophiles. crystal so there intelligent grade a students old enuff to know whats what, yet never watch the news and think that isis is a summer camp in Syria cos an online buddy told them so ? why does it seem to be that this country thrives on finding victims when there are not any to find ! Are they so different to our 15 year olds ? A lot of ours do well at school and would never do this ... Brainwashing is going on here to make them feel its there place to be ... when it should be with their families. They are "our" 15 year olds.sure are ........ and brainwashed I see them as victims in this and if my 15 year old I would be getting on a plane. How do we know they were brainwashed? How do we know they don't know full well what they are getting into and doing it willingly How do we not know that they went looking for this, I mean they had to log onto their web site in order to be 'groomed' who made them do that while sat in their bedrooms? Why is everyone assuming they were brainwashed Some people fight and support the IS by the own free will If the story was 3 teenage girls running away abroad to meet men, without the terrorism angle, we'd be saying they were victims of child sexual exploitation, not old enough to know what they're doing etc etc. What makes this different? " Nothing makes it different some teenage girls run away to meet men by their own free will too I'm not saying they are or are not being groomed what I am saying is noone knows that except them but why is everyone just assuming cause they are teenagers they don't know any better? They are two 16 and a 15 year old they are at an age where they are legally accountable for their actions and there is a chance that they actually went looking for and want to do this without being groomed They had to log onto that website for the very first time what made them do that? | |||
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"All else aside these are 15 year old children, our daughter ran away at that age she imagined she was old enough and mature enough to survive alone in London, we were sick with worry as I suspect the parents of these girls will be. People are vulnerable to romanticized notions at that age and I for one feel sorry for them, they are headed for a life of hell. 15 and vulnerable and just kids . And maybe brainwashed into thinking its where they need to be. They're victims of grooming by paedophiles. crystal so there intelligent grade a students old enuff to know whats what, yet never watch the news and think that isis is a summer camp in Syria cos an online buddy told them so ? why does it seem to be that this country thrives on finding victims when there are not any to find ! Are they so different to our 15 year olds ? A lot of ours do well at school and would never do this ... Brainwashing is going on here to make them feel its there place to be ... when it should be with their families. They are "our" 15 year olds.sure are ........ and brainwashed I see them as victims in this and if my 15 year old I would be getting on a plane. How do we know they were brainwashed? How do we know they don't know full well what they are getting into and doing it willingly How do we not know that they went looking for this, I mean they had to log onto their web site in order to be 'groomed' who made them do that while sat in their bedrooms? Why is everyone assuming they were brainwashed Some people fight and support the IS by the own free will Maybe some through wanting to appear politically correct are brainwashed into believing they must have been brain washed " possibly but for myself I'm capable of independent thought. | |||
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"All else aside these are 15 year old children, our daughter ran away at that age she imagined she was old enough and mature enough to survive alone in London, we were sick with worry as I suspect the parents of these girls will be. People are vulnerable to romanticized notions at that age and I for one feel sorry for them, they are headed for a life of hell. 15 and vulnerable and just kids . And maybe brainwashed into thinking its where they need to be. They're victims of grooming by paedophiles. crystal so there intelligent grade a students old enuff to know whats what, yet never watch the news and think that isis is a summer camp in Syria cos an online buddy told them so ? why does it seem to be that this country thrives on finding victims when there are not any to find ! Are they so different to our 15 year olds ? A lot of ours do well at school and would never do this ... Brainwashing is going on here to make them feel its there place to be ... when it should be with their families. They are "our" 15 year olds.sure are ........ and brainwashed I see them as victims in this and if my 15 year old I would be getting on a plane. How do we know they were brainwashed? How do we know they don't know full well what they are getting into and doing it willingly How do we not know that they went looking for this, I mean they had to log onto their web site in order to be 'groomed' who made them do that while sat in their bedrooms? Why is everyone assuming they were brainwashed Some people fight and support the IS by the own free will If the story was 3 teenage girls running away abroad to meet men, without the terrorism angle, we'd be saying they were victims of child sexual exploitation, not old enough to know what they're doing etc etc. What makes this different? " Errr..could it be that there not running away at all and are possibly acting on there own free will in wanting to join an organisation that seeks to force its ideologies upon us through murder and butchery. Our country, a country that housed them educated them oh and allowed them the freedom of exspression. I doubt there gonna get much of that within isis. I dunno about other people but I certainly knew what was what when I was 12 let alone 15 | |||
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"I think they definitely know what they are doing. But I do not know what benefits they will get from it. It's also pretty much treason to go and join a terrorist organisation that has declared it hates Britain. They have forfeited their UK nationality and should, if caught, go through the Iraqi courts and suffer the consequences Why would you have them go through the Iraqi courts? Because the Islamic State is murdering and causing havoc in Iraq. If an Iraqi terrorist were to attack our country they should face our justice. And vice versa But these girls have gone to Syria? Where does Iraq come in to it?" Ah yes because the Islamic 'state' only sticks to syria and doesn't cross the border.... | |||
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"Personally, I see the possibility of something much worse. The fanatics in Syria could just as easily execute these girls for simply being British or on a trumped up religious charge. I actually think that they would be quite good candidates for some more grisly murder videos." | |||
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"I think they definitely know what they are doing. But I do not know what benefits they will get from it. It's also pretty much treason to go and join a terrorist organisation that has declared it hates Britain. They have forfeited their UK nationality and should, if caught, go through the Iraqi courts and suffer the consequences Why would you have them go through the Iraqi courts? Because the Islamic State is murdering and causing havoc in Iraq. If an Iraqi terrorist were to attack our country they should face our justice. And vice versa But these girls have gone to Syria? Where does Iraq come in to it?. Isis there old name comes from Islamic state of Iraq and Syria. The caliphate would be slap bang in the middle of the two" Yes but why would they move them from Syria to Iraq to prosecute them for perceived crimes against the UK? | |||
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"I think they definitely know what they are doing. But I do not know what benefits they will get from it. It's also pretty much treason to go and join a terrorist organisation that has declared it hates Britain. They have forfeited their UK nationality and should, if caught, go through the Iraqi courts and suffer the consequences Why would you have them go through the Iraqi courts? Because the Islamic State is murdering and causing havoc in Iraq. If an Iraqi terrorist were to attack our country they should face our justice. And vice versa But these girls have gone to Syria? Where does Iraq come in to it?. Isis there old name comes from Islamic state of Iraq and Syria. The caliphate would be slap bang in the middle of the two Yes but why would they move them from Syria to Iraq to prosecute them for perceived crimes against the UK?" . Isis hold a large swathe of Iraq from the Syrian border down to Baghdad. If there murdering Iraqis they'd be tried in Iraq | |||
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"all the other muslim nations that take no action against isis. Obviously there community leaders are gonna make the right noises but on Aljazeera a few days ago there was mention that in public others condemmed isis whilst on the other hand secretly sympathised with them. Remember Pakistan and how it publicly condemned alqieda and the Taliban and promising America It would hunt down bin laden whilst slyly hiding him in a house compound right next to there on military barracks? As I said if muslims truly condemned isis then muslim nations would join with the west in taking action fact remains none have. Anyone can lie and say they condemn something whilst really sympathising with them. a fact I think I just established with Pakistan providing safe refuge to Osama bin laden " Lies, lies, lies. I won't say you are misinformed. Just lying. Which group from which MUSLIM country are the only ones to be successfully pushing ISIS back? The Pesh Merga in Iraq. In fact it was reported recently that they were close to retaking Mosul. And, as usual, the bigotry is deliberately muddying the waters. Let's talk about ourgeneral hatred of Muslims by talking about different countries and not these 3 young school girls. Because that is all the justification we need to support our barely disguised racism. | |||
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"all the other muslim nations that take no action against isis. Obviously there community leaders are gonna make the right noises but on Aljazeera a few days ago there was mention that in public others condemmed isis whilst on the other hand secretly sympathised with them. Remember Pakistan and how it publicly condemned alqieda and the Taliban and promising America It would hunt down bin laden whilst slyly hiding him in a house compound right next to there on military barracks? As I said if muslims truly condemned isis then muslim nations would join with the west in taking action fact remains none have. Anyone can lie and say they condemn something whilst really sympathising with them. a fact I think I just established with Pakistan providing safe refuge to Osama bin laden " so earlier on you say that no ones saying anything but now they are but they dont mean it..? Pakistan as a country did not hide him so your 'fact' about that is a baseless one and as such a poor foundation for your 'they must be lying' point.. | |||
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"all the other muslim nations that take no action against isis. Obviously there community leaders are gonna make the right noises but on Aljazeera a few days ago there was mention that in public others condemmed isis whilst on the other hand secretly sympathised with them. Remember Pakistan and how it publicly condemned alqieda and the Taliban and promising America It would hunt down bin laden whilst slyly hiding him in a house compound right next to there on military barracks? As I said if muslims truly condemned isis then muslim nations would join with the west in taking action fact remains none have. Anyone can lie and say they condemn something whilst really sympathising with them. a fact I think I just established with Pakistan providing safe refuge to Osama bin laden Lies, lies, lies. I won't say you are misinformed. Just lying. Which group from which MUSLIM country are the only ones to be successfully pushing ISIS back? The Pesh Merga in Iraq. In fact it was reported recently that they were close to retaking Mosul. And, as usual, the bigotry is deliberately muddying the waters. Let's talk about ourgeneral hatred of Muslims by talking about different countries and not these 3 young school girls. Because that is all the justification we need to support our barely disguised racism." Neither am I racist or a bigot. but I keep forgetting that everytime someone offers freedom of speech and somebody else disagrees yet cannot offer an intellectual different point of _iew then out comes the racist tar and brush. So ime lying about Pakistan hiding bin laden then I guess all the western news channels at the time were lying to ? | |||
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"all the other muslim nations that take no action against isis. Obviously there community leaders are gonna make the right noises but on Aljazeera a few days ago there was mention that in public others condemmed isis whilst on the other hand secretly sympathised with them. Remember Pakistan and how it publicly condemned alqieda and the Taliban and promising America It would hunt down bin laden whilst slyly hiding him in a house compound right next to there on military barracks? As I said if muslims truly condemned isis then muslim nations would join with the west in taking action fact remains none have. Anyone can lie and say they condemn something whilst really sympathising with them. a fact I think I just established with Pakistan providing safe refuge to Osama bin laden so earlier on you say that no ones saying anything but now they are but they dont mean it..? Pakistan as a country did not hide him so your 'fact' about that is a baseless one and as such a poor foundation for your 'they must be lying' point.. " Hatred of all Muslims by some mean they can't win. If the moderates say nothing: they're condoning. If they denounce the extremists, they're lying. | |||
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"all the other muslim nations that take no action against isis. Obviously there community leaders are gonna make the right noises but on Aljazeera a few days ago there was mention that in public others condemmed isis whilst on the other hand secretly sympathised with them. Remember Pakistan and how it publicly condemned alqieda and the Taliban and promising America It would hunt down bin laden whilst slyly hiding him in a house compound right next to there on military barracks? As I said if muslims truly condemned isis then muslim nations would join with the west in taking action fact remains none have. Anyone can lie and say they condemn something whilst really sympathising with them. a fact I think I just established with Pakistan providing safe refuge to Osama bin laden Lies, lies, lies. I won't say you are misinformed. Just lying. Which group from which MUSLIM country are the only ones to be successfully pushing ISIS back? The Pesh Merga in Iraq. In fact it was reported recently that they were close to retaking Mosul. And, as usual, the bigotry is deliberately muddying the waters. Let's talk about ourgeneral hatred of Muslims by talking about different countries and not these 3 young school girls. Because that is all the justification we need to support our barely disguised racism. Neither am I racist or a bigot. but I keep forgetting that everytime someone offers freedom of speech and somebody else disagrees yet cannot offer an intellectual different point of _iew then out comes the racist tar and brush. So ime lying about Pakistan hiding bin laden then I guess all the western news channels at the time were lying to ? " You keep contradicting yourself, sometimes even in the same post. No direspect but that hardly matches your claim that you are offering an intellectually different point of _iew | |||
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"They have gone to marry jihadis, good luck to them. They will need it." Aren't they a bit old for that? They're more likely to be used to keep the troops happy. | |||
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"all the other muslim nations that take no action against isis. Obviously there community leaders are gonna make the right noises but on Aljazeera a few days ago there was mention that in public others condemmed isis whilst on the other hand secretly sympathised with them. Remember Pakistan and how it publicly condemned alqieda and the Taliban and promising America It would hunt down bin laden whilst slyly hiding him in a house compound right next to there on military barracks? As I said if muslims truly condemned isis then muslim nations would join with the west in taking action fact remains none have. Anyone can lie and say they condemn something whilst really sympathising with them. a fact I think I just established with Pakistan providing safe refuge to Osama bin laden Lies, lies, lies. I won't say you are misinformed. Just lying. Which group from which MUSLIM country are the only ones to be successfully pushing ISIS back? The Pesh Merga in Iraq. In fact it was reported recently that they were close to retaking Mosul. And, as usual, the bigotry is deliberately muddying the waters. Let's talk about ourgeneral hatred of Muslims by talking about different countries and not these 3 young school girls. Because that is all the justification we need to support our barely disguised racism.. To be fair the pesh merga are Kurds who are predominantly Iranian, and they really have something to fight Isis for!" The pesh merga were first formed in Iraq to fight the British colonialists. They may be Kurds but they are also Muslim in a Muslim country and where they are currently fighting ISIS is Iraq. Which is what I said. | |||
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"Fifteen year old girls. Apparently very bright and streetwise. We know and see how women are treated. I'm shocked and saddened that they've ruined their lives by doing this. People keep saying they're old enough but to me they're not " 15 /16 is still a mixed up hormonal kid in my eyes as I was one myself and why are they different .. I just wish they would come home . And the people here in the uk backing them up doing this ... get tracked down and sorted out and stopped . | |||
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"I wonder if these 3 innocent girls would be innocent if the stapped a bomb to their back in the uk. They have gone lets keep them out" But they haven't done that. | |||
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"Check out Grace Dent's piece on this in the Independent today. " Can you paraphrase, can't get to a pc for a bit. | |||
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"Instead of spending time,money n hot air,err media coverage,lets encourage everyone else who doesn't feel British or want to fit in to British way of life to head to the middle east,easy for them to go,but once gone do not let them back,then if their happy to meet their god,do it in some other country,solving one of this country's problems I agree with the sentiment, but I believe they have British passports, so will always be allowed back in the UK. Personally, I think fuck em, they've made their bed, let them sleep in it. They are in for a big shock when they get to IS. " both great ,I agree | |||
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"How do 3 15 year old kids be allowed to get on a plane anyway,are security checks are pathetic. Surely contact should have been made with parents when they got to the airport check in. This country again makes a fool of itself" By using their 17 year old sisters passport in this instance. However it's not illegal to fly unacommpanied as a teenager, lots fly back and forth all the time on their own. If you've checked in on line you've answered the security questions so you're at the airline desk just long enough for them to check the passport matches the name of the reservation & tag your hold luggage if you have any. It is possible at some airports with tech & fast track to proceed thru to the departure gate without really speaking to anyone. | |||
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"Check out Grace Dent's piece on this in the Independent today. Can you paraphrase, can't get to a pc for a bit." As the Metropolitan police flit off – somewhat pointlessly – to the borders of northern Syria in search of three teen Isis fangirls from Bethnal Green it’s hard for good liberals like myself to know where to chivvy blame. It’s Twitter’s fault, reportedly. Twitter helped these girls connect with other gleeful fans of snuff-video beheading, cage-burning and the hobbysport of hurling gay men to their deaths from towers. Let’s blame Twitter. Sure, if Twitter shut up shop tomorrow – turfing off its 284m users - then Isis would use other social media platforms, but as none of those platforms are as famous as Twitter, it makes less sexy news. READ MORE Families appeal to missing girls believed to be attempting to join Isis Met police officers in Turkey to search for missing schoolgirls Or is it Theresa May’s fault? Bad, culpable Theresa. Not once did this woman drive personally to any of these teenagers’ homes, check their Internet search histories and text messages, or give them a pep talk on why the mass beheading of Christians is simply not on. Or is it my fault for not shouting loud enough on a Stop the War demo? Or is it Turkish Airlines’ fault for not stopping and searching every young, brown woman trying to leave the country alone. Hang on, that’s actually racist and sexist. Scrap that. Gosh, this is confusing. PREVIOUS West Ham fans reported to FA by Kevin Kilbane for mocking... NEXT Rifkind says it's 'unrealistic' for MPs to live on £67,000 Some people must be wondering if the parents of Amira, Shamima and Kadiza are to blame. They appeared on TV this week, some clutching teddy bears belonging to their little blossoms, presenting them as easily-confused delicate ingenues. This differed, to my mind, from the cool-headed, elegantly pulled together, determined young women I’d watched the footage of on CCTV. Not silly kids wagging off school, but calm, considered, A-grade students who have researched their trip, found hundreds of pounds in funds, booked flights and headed towards earth’s closest vision of actual hell. In Isis we are observing a level of atrocity towards mankind that, post-Nazism, we hoped we would never again witness. But with Isis there’s no excuse for not knowing what “they” are up to. There will no big post-war reveal where we can wring our hands saying, “Well, this is awful, but we had no idea”. I wanted to ask Abase Hussen, as he clutched his daughter Amira’s stuffed toy, what exactly he thought was the tipping point that made his delicate, innocent baby-girl leave the country in such a rush that she left teddy behind? Was it the video of Alan Henning – a man who stood for nothing but kindness – having his head removed? Was it photos of crucifixions of in central Raqqa? The reports from Kobani of raped, mutilated six-year-old female corpses lying in the streets? Which image of a future life excited her the most? Submissive jihadi bride with a big strong executioner boyfriend? Machine-gun toting trained killer? And all this without her teddy bear? Thank heavens we know she uses Twitter. She can tweet Clintons Cards and see if they’ll post out a replacement Mr Fluffy. How will princess sleep without? Abase Hussen, and the rest of the families, are adamant that there were no signs that their daughters were plotting. That means, I surmise, no suspicious internet windows left open, no dubious items in search histories, no odd phone-calls, no suspicious comments at the dinner table, no new friends suddenly in the social circle, no mysterious requests for extra money, no mysterious selling of personal items to raise funds, no bizarre text messages, no rooting through drawers for passports, in fact, absolutely nothing remarkable at all. I have no reason to disbelieve the families, but this was a startling rouse to pull off. When I was 15 my family – via the Dent family mother-sibling Stasi network – would have sussed I was heading to Turkey before I’d even decided myself. Of course, there’s a strong case to be made that fleeing abroad in search of Isis is simply a severe case of teen rebellion. Much, in fact, like the time, aged 15, when I pierced my nose and dyed my hair a sort of toxic cyan shade, imagining myself to look like a sexy mermaid, like Kate from The B52s, but instead resembling the Cookie Monster. I was a complete tit for almost all of the 1980s. The Nineties and Noughties were only marginally better. But still, I am lost for ideas on how we greet young teen rebels who hope to return here after mixing with Isis. If the sight of gay men plummeting to their deaths excited you so much that you went and spent five years aiding and abetting the homophobic carnage, forgive me, but I don’t want to come across you in Bethnal Green Tesco Metro. I can’t imagine that time spent hanging out with horror-movie ghouls who hate Britain, gays, democracy, the rights of women and religious freedom will have done much good for your personal development. I’d go as far as to say you shouldn’t be allowed back into the country ever, when surely there are dozens of other bloodier, more depressing places that suit your lifestyle choice better. However, I’ve asked my liberal friends what we should do and they all wring their hands and say after some mumbling, “Nothing”. So give me a call when you’re bored with all the stoning, crucifying and beheading. I’ll meet you at Heathrow Arrivals with your teddy. | |||
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"all the other muslim nations that take no action against isis. Obviously there community leaders are gonna make the right noises but on Aljazeera a few days ago there was mention that in public others condemmed isis whilst on the other hand secretly sympathised with them. Remember Pakistan and how it publicly condemned alqieda and the Taliban and promising America It would hunt down bin laden whilst slyly hiding him in a house compound right next to there on military barracks? As I said if muslims truly condemned isis then muslim nations would join with the west in taking action fact remains none have. Anyone can lie and say they condemn something whilst really sympathising with them. a fact I think I just established with Pakistan providing safe refuge to Osama bin laden Lies, lies, lies. I won't say you are misinformed. Just lying. Which group from which MUSLIM country are the only ones to be successfully pushing ISIS back? The Pesh Merga in Iraq. In fact it was reported recently that they were close to retaking Mosul. And, as usual, the bigotry is deliberately muddying the waters. Let's talk about ourgeneral hatred of Muslims by talking about different countries and not these 3 young school girls. Because that is all the justification we need to support our barely disguised racism.. To be fair the pesh merga are Kurds who are predominantly Iranian, and they really have something to fight Isis for! The pesh merga were first formed in Iraq to fight the British colonialists. They may be Kurds but they are also Muslim in a Muslim country and where they are currently fighting ISIS is Iraq. Which is what I said. " . Syrians are Muslim!. I think the point the chap was making is that predominantly sunni governments don't seem to be doing much! | |||
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"well its been all over the news channels for the past few days. Ime confused the media make it sound like they are innocent girls who have gone missing from home. when they know there not missing as such. They have gone to join Islamic state. There parents are blaming our security services??? I note it didn't take long for them to get a solicitor on the case . Maybe they should try looking closer to home to pass the blame. " Why blame the families ? If they 16 they're d enough for their own destinys ! Some people take the wrong paths do u really think their family gave them an IS blessing ........ I'd certainly hope they didn't having kids that age they don't always tell you what's going on They get everything they deserve !! | |||
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"All else aside these are 15 year old children, our daughter ran away at that age she imagined she was old enough and mature enough to survive alone in London, we were sick with worry as I suspect the parents of these girls will be. People are vulnerable to romanticized notions at that age and I for one feel sorry for them, they are headed for a life of hell. 15 and vulnerable and just kids . And maybe brainwashed into thinking its where they need to be. They're victims of grooming by paedophiles. crystal so there intelligent grade a students old enuff to know whats what, yet never watch the news and think that isis is a summer camp in Syria cos an online buddy told them so ? why does it seem to be that this country thrives on finding victims when there are not any to find ! " | |||
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"I've read Grace Dents piece surely designed to spark debate. She ends by accusing her friends of having no possible solutions while offering no real options herself. Is it possible to prevent British passport holders from returning? Isn't anyone else concerned that any 15 year old not just prospective jihadi brides can board a flight without question to anywhere in the world? Why do people say the airlines aren't responsible for who boards their planes then scream if someone gets through security with a suspicious object? Why does she allow herself to have been a stupid teenager but not these girls?" Its an interesting piece and agree its about kicking off the debate which to be fair seems to be only thus far about blaming the families and what to do if these girls and others try to re enter.. think we need to look at the issue in a much broader context, why intelligent young people as well as others who have gone decide to turn their back on their own families and the society they have been raised in.. as a parent there were aspects of both of ours kids lives when they were 15 that we knew little about, yes we were either lucky as no major drama's.. and certainly as a lad of the same age there were aspects of my own personal life that my parents knew nothing about and i would hazard that is not uncommon whomever one is.. | |||
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"If any of our 15 year old female relatives flew to a foreign country to meet and marry a man they had met on line would we be happy to say they knew exactly what they were doing, deserved everything they got and shouldn't be allowed back in? Would the same apply to white, streetwise, A grade, Christian girls?" one need only look at the pregnancy rates in this country to acknowledge that there are girls of a similar age for whom their own parents or guardians have little idea about their lives.. chuck in the rise in alcoholism and drug use and the 'its all the parents fault' becomes less of an easy option.. | |||
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"I've read Grace Dents piece surely designed to spark debate. She ends by accusing her friends of having no possible solutions while offering no real options herself. Is it possible to prevent British passport holders from returning? Isn't anyone else concerned that any 15 year old not just prospective jihadi brides can board a flight without question to anywhere in the world? Why do people say the airlines aren't responsible for who boards their planes then scream if someone gets through security with a suspicious object? Why does she allow herself to have been a stupid teenager but not these girls? Its an interesting piece and agree its about kicking off the debate which to be fair seems to be only thus far about blaming the families and what to do if these girls and others try to re enter.. think we need to look at the issue in a much broader context, why intelligent young people as well as others who have gone decide to turn their back on their own families and the society they have been raised in.. as a parent there were aspects of both of ours kids lives when they were 15 that we knew little about, yes we were either lucky as no major drama's.. and certainly as a lad of the same age there were aspects of my own personal life that my parents knew nothing about and i would hazard that is not uncommon whomever one is.." I think the debate so far is about these families being outside of British society (whatever that is) when in my opinion, if we accept that this is a problem that's part of our society we might start to move towards finding a solution. | |||
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"The beheading of people didn't put them off The burning of people alive didn't put them off So, there must have been something they liked " pretty sure yes they knew all of that but whoever was grooming them was also telling them a tale and we dont know that either.. kids know drugs are bad too.. kids know an STI is bad too.. not making excuses for these girls but the issue is more than them just thinking its a good idea to leg it to what we all agree is a vile regime .. | |||
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"The beheading of people didn't put them off The burning of people alive didn't put them off So, there must have been something they liked Yes there must _iew but until and unless we find out what it is we won't be able to stop it happening. Whatever anyone thinks we must all agree on one thing, it can't continue." And I hope the community from where they came from can share it with us, we can't build strategies to fix it without the facts. | |||
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"If any of our 15 year old female relatives flew to a foreign country to meet and marry a man they had met on line would we be happy to say they knew exactly what they were doing, deserved everything they got and shouldn't be allowed back in? Would the same apply to white, streetwise, A grade, Christian girls? pssst ! , they have embarked to join a filthy terrorist organisation who routinely behead people and recently set fire to a pilot in a cage ." yes, they and we all know that so surely we need to look at what is going on whereby that is an option for some and we need to be stopping the travel if possible, France is actively doing so.. till we do or till the global powers that be destroy IS the it will happen again.. | |||
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"I think the media has to bear some responsibility for this rise. They glamourise the goings on and give these people the platform they crave. Every time something happens going on involving Muslims, they don't go to a local religious leader, they go straight to inter_iewing a hate preacher! Too often media nowadays takes the 'katie hopkins' approach to news. They'd rather get people riled up and give these hateful people a platform, just to keep _iewers coming back. " | |||
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"One has to wonder what is so wrong with British society that our citizens wish to join an organisation that wishes only to see pretty much everything that it stands for destroyed. maybe because years of misplaced multiculturalism n political correctness has meant that instead of having to fit in,or fck off as is the case in most country's,people can live here without even having to speak english or accept this countrys values and we pander to them? Do you mean like British ex-pats who are well known around the world for integrating in to local communities? Or is that different?" | |||
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"why do people keep mentioning 'grooming' and 'brainwashing' ...have i missed a news article ? where is the evidence that this has occurred ?" yes and I was reading about it today here on the net. | |||
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" yes and I was reading about it today here on the net. thanks for that...thought i must have ...could you point me in the direction to find it please " I was reading a letter from a young girl out there today saying how it works .. And all so reading things like this get taken off the net as they hope it will stop people going .. They end up on sites like twitter and some of that now has been stopped .. its been going on for years . | |||
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"I've read Grace Dents piece surely designed to spark debate. She ends by accusing her friends of having no possible solutions while offering no real options herself. Is it possible to prevent British passport holders from returning? Isn't anyone else concerned that any 15 year old not just prospective jihadi brides can board a flight without question to anywhere in the world? Why do people say the airlines aren't responsible for who boards their planes then scream if someone gets through security with a suspicious object? Why does she allow herself to have been a stupid teenager but not these girls? Its an interesting piece and agree its about kicking off the debate which to be fair seems to be only thus far about blaming the families and what to do if these girls and others try to re enter.. think we need to look at the issue in a much broader context, why intelligent young people as well as others who have gone decide to turn their back on their own families and the society they have been raised in.. as a parent there were aspects of both of ours kids lives when they were 15 that we knew little about, yes we were either lucky as no major drama's.. and certainly as a lad of the same age there were aspects of my own personal life that my parents knew nothing about and i would hazard that is not uncommon whomever one is.. I think the debate so far is about these families being outside of British society (whatever that is) when in my opinion, if we accept that this is a problem that's part of our society we might start to move towards finding a solution." British I like to see the word english more When Possible even thou (some) people who can Call themselves english will have A mixed bag of viking or saxon blood somewhere in their veins perhaps if your welsh you won,t.. but now our Society is so much bigger and as events have recently shown outside Influence,s can Influence others here luckily the majority of us who live Here know which is right or wrong, as a Multi cultural society there will always be difference,s of opinion and Different _iews its how we deal with them that counts. | |||
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" yes and I was reading about it today here on the net. thanks for that...thought i must have ...could you point me in the direction to find it please " Mail online news. Teenage 'jihadi brides' were ruthlessly groomed online, it was revealed Twitter accused of allowing them to be 'brainwashed in their bedrooms' One of the girls was 'following' more than 70 known extremists on the site Would have exposed her to graphic content . | |||
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"why do people keep mentioning 'grooming' and 'brainwashing' ...have i missed a news article ? where is the evidence that this has occurred ?" do you seriously think they met in macdonalds or wherever one day and after the usual chat about fashion, music and boys one of them said 'tell you what i am so bored, i am thinking of going to join IS next week..fancy it?'.. and the others went 'yeah, top idea i'm in too'.. young people are groomed online by paedophiles, at least one of them was in contact with another woman who went out some time ago.. | |||
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"They've gone and I doubt they won't be the last to go either..." I think passport laws need changing to stop 15/16 getting on a plane without their families knowing... like we have drinking laws something needs to change . | |||
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"They've gone and I doubt they won't be the last to go either...I think passport laws need changing to stop 15/16 getting on a plane without their families knowing... like we have drinking laws something needs to change ." the levels of under age drinking never have and are not being reduced by id cards Jo, fake id's are everywhere.. | |||
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"They've gone and I doubt they won't be the last to go either...I think passport laws need changing to stop 15/16 getting on a plane without their families knowing... like we have drinking laws something needs to change . the levels of under age drinking never have and are not being reduced by id cards Jo, fake id's are everywhere.." well something needs to be done to stop them getting on the plane .. maybe there mums and dads need passports under lock and key if they feel at risk and must be other things can be done . | |||
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"They've gone and I doubt they won't be the last to go either...I think passport laws need changing to stop 15/16 getting on a plane without their families knowing... like we have drinking laws something needs to change . the levels of under age drinking never have and are not being reduced by id cards Jo, fake id's are everywhere..well something needs to be done to stop them getting on the plane .. maybe there mums and dads need passports under lock and key if they feel at risk and must be other things can be done ." agree and what causes such actions also.. | |||
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"not sure what mcdonalds has to do with anything but the point i was making was that intelligent people can make informed decisions to join radical/fanatical/barbaric organisations out of free will ..however bizarre it may seem ...it can happen " when 15 /16 kids still we have laws here that should stop this going on . And it must be sorted out to work better. We cant just let 15/16 year olds do things like that. | |||
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"They've gone and I doubt they won't be the last to go either..." True i think we need to stop but how i dont know | |||
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