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"I've met couples, but mainly meet single men. It's hard to find a couple who actually take things forward. Half the time it ends with the fella saying the missus says I can meet you alone. Grrrr... If I want to meet a single man, there's no shortage! " I agree with you lady X | |||
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"We've had plenty of meets with guys and couples but have yet to find a genuine single women. Plenty have chatted and made plans with us then no showed or stopped replying to messages. Its a shame because Emily would love pure fem to fem fun but its not worth getting wound up about we just enjoy the meets that do turn up " Ever thought that some of those women are perfectly genuine but you do something to put them off? I wouldn't be interested in meeting under your terms and conditions either, (I wouldn't play with kids there, however young, and I wouldn't agree to you filming the meet for your own use. I don't want that sort of footage of me outside of my control). Perhaps some flexibility on your part would help you find what you're looking for. | |||
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"It's great to get both points of view and we too get that problem when we attempt to meet some couples we just put it down to being a sad single male trying to pull the wool over your eyes x" 1 big reason why we ask for a social meet first as some guys use couple profiles to get meets. All our meets have been with a social first or a club meet..it helps to cut out the people who just sit at their keyboards and "dream"... Maybe you should try social events or a club night for couples and girls only... | |||
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"We've had plenty of meets with guys and couples but have yet to find a genuine single women. Plenty have chatted and made plans with us then no showed or stopped replying to messages. Its a shame because Emily would love pure fem to fem fun but its not worth getting wound up about we just enjoy the meets that do turn up " Single women aren't genuine because the won't accept your rules? I love meeting couples, but know what it is I want and the whole performing seal routine wouldn't be for me - it doesn't make me less genuine. You either accept that the way you want to play will limited already limited options or accept that you might need to be a little more flexible. | |||
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"We've had plenty of meets with guys and couples but have yet to find a genuine single women. Plenty have chatted and made plans with us then no showed or stopped replying to messages. Its a shame because Emily would love pure fem to fem fun but its not worth getting wound up about we just enjoy the meets that do turn up Ever thought that some of those women are perfectly genuine but you do something to put them off? I wouldn't be interested in meeting under your terms and conditions either, (I wouldn't play with kids there, however young, and I wouldn't agree to you filming the meet for your own use. I don't want that sort of footage of me outside of my control). Perhaps some flexibility on your part would help you find what you're looking for." Im talking about women who know all that, agree to all that and then either suddenly stop talking or arrange a date then dont turn up. Im not saying the ones who dont like our set up are not genuine Im talking about no shows etc. Why should we be more flexible that would show desperation. We state how we play, if they agree we get a meet if they dont we either meet somebody else or enjoy each others company. As I said in an earlier post we enjoy the meets we do get not get hung up on the ones we dont I was just offering a petspective on why some women dont meet us. The points you made apply to everyone not specifically single women. | |||
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"We've had plenty of meets with guys and couples but have yet to find a genuine single women. Plenty have chatted and made plans with us then no showed or stopped replying to messages. Its a shame because Emily would love pure fem to fem fun but its not worth getting wound up about we just enjoy the meets that do turn up Single women aren't genuine because the won't accept your rules? I love meeting couples, but know what it is I want and the whole performing seal routine wouldn't be for me - it doesn't make me less genuine. You either accept that the way you want to play will limited already limited options or accept that you might need to be a little more flexible. " Not what I said... sorry not gonna keep repeating myself | |||
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"We're sort of like that. As I (him) doesn't play she will play with a couple, however, I'll be there just not getting involved at all." Same as us. I never play regardless of who we are meeting. | |||
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"We're sort of like that. As I (him) doesn't play she will play with a couple, however, I'll be there just not getting involved at all. Same as us. I never play regardless of who we are meeting. " I think both of you go about it the right way - couples profile and open about the male's presence but non involvement. I think the issue most people have is when the scenario is reversed and a single female profile suddenly evolves in to a couple who will want to play. | |||
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"We're sort of like that. As I (him) doesn't play she will play with a couple, however, I'll be there just not getting involved at all. Same as us. I never play regardless of who we are meeting. " Best seat in da house. | |||
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"We're sort of like that. As I (him) doesn't play she will play with a couple, however, I'll be there just not getting involved at all. Same as us. I never play regardless of who we are meeting. I think both of you go about it the right way - couples profile and open about the male's presence but non involvement. I think the issue most people have is when the scenario is reversed and a single female profile suddenly evolves in to a couple who will want to play." Exactly. We get a lot of "couples" were just the guy wants to meet us to. Its a no every single time | |||
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"I don't meet couples ive had a few experiences where ive been left to felt like their play thing. I'm not saying all couples are like that it just put me off. " Agree with this one... I get a fair few messages that say can you be ours for the night... Or the best one for valentines can you be my wife's gift. There are plenty of genuine females On here it's how the interaction goes... When your only ever speaking to the male who say my wife's bi it makes you think really? I love meeting couples but there is a fine line where you think oh they just wanted a one off and three months later it's want to meet again. Collecting dust isn't for Me! | |||
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"I've met couples, but mainly meet single men. It's hard to find a couple who actually take things forward. Half the time it ends with the fella saying the missus says I can meet you alone. Grrrr... If I want to meet a single man, there's no shortage! " Think this is actually the real problem, guys have failed with their single male profile so then decide to create a couples profile in the vain attempt that saying i can come alone the oh is away and think people are stupid enough to fall for it, a couple of guys have tried that with us we just say we only meet couples as couples not individually | |||
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"The amazing thing about Fab is that there are so many really important people here. They must be important because their time is so very precious: they consider the few minutes they spend writing a flirty message a total waste of time because they don't get a guaranteed fuck at the end of it. For goodness sake lighten up. Also how do you know people on Fab are pic collectors? We weren't aware that Fab provided download statistics for images. Finally, we thought that everyone on Fab was a fantasist. Surely we are all here to fulfil our sexual fantasies and si by definition are fantasists. There is no need to castigate people because their fantasy doesn't match yours. " Brilliant post!! | |||
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"We've had plenty of meets with guys and couples but have yet to find a genuine single women. Plenty have chatted and made plans with us then no showed or stopped replying to messages. Its a shame because Emily would love pure fem to fem fun but its not worth getting wound up about we just enjoy the meets that do turn up Ever thought that some of those women are perfectly genuine but you do something to put them off? I wouldn't be interested in meeting under your terms and conditions either, (I wouldn't play with kids there, however young, and I wouldn't agree to you filming the meet for your own use. I don't want that sort of footage of me outside of my control). Perhaps some flexibility on your part would help you find what you're looking for. Im talking about women who know all that, agree to all that and then either suddenly stop talking or arrange a date then dont turn up. Im not saying the ones who dont like our set up are not genuine Im talking about no shows etc. Why should we be more flexible that would show desperation. We state how we play, if they agree we get a meet if they dont we either meet somebody else or enjoy each others company. As I said in an earlier post we enjoy the meets we do get not get hung up on the ones we dont I was just offering a petspective on why some women dont meet us. The points you made apply to everyone not specifically single women. " You say Emily would love some FF fun. As a single woman, I'm offering some perspective on why you are finding it difficult. Arranging meets that suit both parties takes compromise sometimes and there's nothing desperate about being a bit flexible. Having rigid rules is going to limit your options and when you are looking for a single woman for FF, your options are already limited. I can imagine a lot of single women being put off by being filmed in an FF and having that footage out of their control. If you consider that being willing to forego the filming to get FF for Emily would make you desperate, that's a strange view imo. | |||
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"Our problem is I (Stu) WONT join in but Emily wont play with anyone unless Im there and that makes some women feel as if we want a performing seal. Its not that at all. Emily enjoys women, I want her to enjoy herself but she feels me not being there would make it cheating and wont do it! Personally Id rather watch her with a bunch of guys. Girl on girl bores me. But thats her rule and that rule puts women off... Not all but some. The ones it doesnt put off straight away, as I said, dont turn up or break off contact." I wouldn't want to meet anyone who was going to film anything neither would I meet someone at their home with two babies asleep upstairs. Actually wouldn't be meeting a woman in the first place so pointless me even commenting. I just don't think it's right for people to have strangers off the internet in their home with their children, doesn't sit right with me. | |||
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"We've had plenty of meets with guys and couples but have yet to find a genuine single women. Plenty have chatted and made plans with us then no showed or stopped replying to messages. Its a shame because Emily would love pure fem to fem fun but its not worth getting wound up about we just enjoy the meets that do turn up Ever thought that some of those women are perfectly genuine but you do something to put them off? I wouldn't be interested in meeting under your terms and conditions either, (I wouldn't play with kids there, however young, and I wouldn't agree to you filming the meet for your own use. I don't want that sort of footage of me outside of my control). Perhaps some flexibility on your part would help you find what you're looking for. Im talking about women who know all that, agree to all that and then either suddenly stop talking or arrange a date then dont turn up. Im not saying the ones who dont like our set up are not genuine Im talking about no shows etc. Why should we be more flexible that would show desperation. We state how we play, if they agree we get a meet if they dont we either meet somebody else or enjoy each others company. As I said in an earlier post we enjoy the meets we do get not get hung up on the ones we dont I was just offering a petspective on why some women dont meet us. The points you made apply to everyone not specifically single women. You say Emily would love some FF fun. As a single woman, I'm offering some perspective on why you are finding it difficult. Arranging meets that suit both parties takes compromise sometimes and there's nothing desperate about being a bit flexible. Having rigid rules is going to limit your options and when you are looking for a single woman for FF, your options are already limited. I can imagine a lot of single women being put off by being filmed in an FF and having that footage out of their control. If you consider that being willing to forego the filming to get FF for Emily would make you desperate, that's a strange view imo." I would be happy to put the filming aside for a FF meet if it was a deal breaker. But out of all the women we have spoken to not one has ever said no due to being filmed. Most have said "As long as I get a copy" but then as Ive said, stop talking or no show. Me being there is Emilys rule as she feels she would be cheating if I wasnt there. Plus its her wants to video a ff meet as I love playing the films of our meets alone and while we play together but Emily wants a video of her with a women for when shes alone. If women feel like a performing seal because Im there then thats unfortunate but there is no flexibility there. We are a couple. You play with US as a couple despite my very limited non physical interaction. Once Emily has her video then future meets may well be off camera but till she has it a single women visiting might be a one off so she doesnt want to miss the opportunity. See what I mean?? | |||
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"Our problem is I (Stu) WONT join in but Emily wont play with anyone unless Im there and that makes some women feel as if we want a performing seal. Its not that at all. Emily enjoys women, I want her to enjoy herself but she feels me not being there would make it cheating and wont do it! Personally Id rather watch her with a bunch of guys. Girl on girl bores me. But thats her rule and that rule puts women off... Not all but some. The ones it doesnt put off straight away, as I said, dont turn up or break off contact. I wouldn't want to meet anyone who was going to film anything neither would I meet someone at their home with two babies asleep upstairs. Actually wouldn't be meeting a woman in the first place so pointless me even commenting. I just don't think it's right for people to have strangers off the internet in their home with their children, doesn't sit right with me. " Then dont meet us simples. Plenty dont mind and this threads not about that. Leaving children with somebody else so you can go out and have sex with strangers doesnt sit right with us we would rather they are with us in our care and perfectly safe. Especially as Stu doesnt play hes free to tend to them if needs be. But as I said thats not the subject of the thread. | |||
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"Our problem is I (Stu) WONT join in but Emily wont play with anyone unless Im there and that makes some women feel as if we want a performing seal. Its not that at all. Emily enjoys women, I want her to enjoy herself but she feels me not being there would make it cheating and wont do it! Personally Id rather watch her with a bunch of guys. Girl on girl bores me. But thats her rule and that rule puts women off... Not all but some. The ones it doesnt put off straight away, as I said, dont turn up or break off contact. I wouldn't want to meet anyone who was going to film anything neither would I meet someone at their home with two babies asleep upstairs. Actually wouldn't be meeting a woman in the first place so pointless me even commenting. I just don't think it's right for people to have strangers off the internet in their home with their children, doesn't sit right with me. Then dont meet us simples. Plenty dont mind and this threads not about that. Leaving children with somebody else so you can go out and have sex with strangers doesnt sit right with us we would rather they are with us in our care and perfectly safe. Especially as Stu doesnt play hes free to tend to them if needs be. But as I said thats not the subject of the thread. " We film our naughty adventures like we have for almost 20 years usually shooting once/twice a week but only about 2% of the couples/women we meet are swingers. Its no no to want to film every swinging meet as almost all don't like this, the people we shoot come to us through word of mouth or from our sites. The profile pics John shoots for woman/couples/guys on Fab are private for them only & we don't use these in any shape or form, we have built up a good trust in the swinging world & wouldn't do anything to jepodise this. You will find enough people to film off site believe us, only film those who fine with this & never ask as people will bolt. This is not a criticism as we let people do their own thing only advice so others won't alienate you like they did us at first because of our love of filming & porn career. | |||
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