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"It's been filmed Obviously a racial attack Discuss the punishment you would give Removal of a passport for life I'd suggest to start with Lifetime ban from any match Custodial sentence? Yes " Lifetime ban yes, as for the rest a bit too strong !! Whilst i dont condone their behaviour its a very small minority and most of us true Chelsea fans are nothing like them and have decried their behaviour in every way. | |||
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"I've watched it over n over n over on the news. Train looks full to me and I can't hear what they are saying. Later reports say it's been hyped before the truth is known. " +1 this | |||
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"It's been filmed Obviously a racial attack Discuss the punishment you would give Removal of a passport for life I'd suggest to start with Lifetime ban from any match Custodial sentence? Yes " part of any football banning order would mean that anytime their team.. or england... played abroad, they would have to hand their passport over at a police station the custodial stuff.... thats going to be hard to prove unless the people on the train talk.... if not all the people who are in the pics going around are going to say it wasn't them singing.... | |||
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"I've watched it over n over n over on the news. Train looks full to me and I can't hear what they are saying. Later reports say it's been hyped before the truth is known. " the were singing, "we're racist, we're racist, we're racist..... and thats the way we like it, we like it, we like it!" its one of the songs they sing for their captain, john terry...... i think the "train full" arguement might pass... if it wasn't for the speed/force he was push out the 2nd time round...... | |||
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"It's been filmed Obviously a racial attack Discuss the punishment you would give Removal of a passport for life I'd suggest to start with Lifetime ban from any match Custodial sentence? Yes part of any football banning order would mean that anytime their team.. or england... played abroad, they would have to hand their passport over at a police station the custodial stuff.... thats going to be hard to prove unless the people on the train talk.... if not all the people who are in the pics going around are going to say it wasn't them singing...." Have no problem with first bit as if its a ban from any match , that should include any fixtures abroad  
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"I've watched it over n over n over on the news. Train looks full to me and I can't hear what they are saying. Later reports say it's been hyped before the truth is known. " Totally agree, the singing is different footage too the singing Also the footage was seb to the media not police | |||
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" Totally agree, the singing is different footage too the singing Also the footage was seb to the media not police" it was sent to the media first (the guardian)... but it has actually been given to the met police and the french authorities... obviously the met to see if they can be recognised because they likely come from the london area... | |||
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"hope they throw the racist scum in prison" Yeh cos that would solve everything wouldn't it ! | |||
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"I've watched it over n over n over on the news. Train looks full to me and I can't hear what they are saying. Later reports say it's been hyped before the truth is known. " cant hear what was actually said so cant form a opinion | |||
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"I've watched it over n over n over on the news. Train looks full to me and I can't hear what they are saying. Later reports say it's been hyped before the truth is known. the were singing, "we're racist, we're racist, we're racist..... and thats the way we like it, we like it, we like it!" its one of the songs they sing for their captain, john terry...... i think the "train full" arguement might pass... if it wasn't for the speed/force he was push out the 2nd time round......" I watched it again Fabio. I watched as many different vids as I could find. He tries to board the train but they are at the door. He pushes first. They push back and wont let him pass. He pushes back. They push him back. There is then footage of them singing 'we're racist' as you say but it is NOT the same footage. There is a black woman at the doors by this time. I don't know if it's illegal to be racist although I do know racism or race crimes are. I'm not sure that the evidence is conslusive that he was pushed off the train for being black. I do feel that those singing the song are guilty of racism and racial disorder in public and should be punished. | |||
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"hope they throw the racist scum in prison Yeh cos that would solve everything wouldn't it !" Does the original poster know enough about French law to put that forward as a possibility? I don't know if this is a criminal act under French law. I think the behaviour is disgusting. But people need to get a grip. These are idiots, they should be banned from football, they should be named and shamed, but let's keep it to what is actually legal and achievable. | |||
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"The irony is that it happened in France, to a (probable) Frenchman, by foreigners! I hope the law deals with them to properly. Pictures emerging today of one of the louts with Nigel Farage - who himself has a foreign wife! You couldn't make this stuff up "The Fargage and Chelsea haters are all over this. If we see a photo of the racist guy drinking a Starbucks I guess that would make them a racist organisation for taking his money. Perspective is required here..... | |||
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"hope they throw the racist scum in prison Yeh cos that would solve everything wouldn't it ! Does the original poster know enough about French law to put that forward as a possibility? I don't know if this is a criminal act under French law. I think the behaviour is disgusting. But people need to get a grip. These are idiots, they should be banned from football, they should be named and shamed, but let's keep it to what is actually legal and achievable. " According to the guardian it can land you 3 years in prison and a 45k euro fine. | |||
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"It's been filmed Obviously a racial attack Discuss the punishment you would give Removal of a passport for life I'd suggest to start with Lifetime ban from any match Custodial sentence? Yes " Absolutely | |||
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"hope they throw the racist scum in prison Yeh cos that would solve everything wouldn't it ! Does the original poster know enough about French law to put that forward as a possibility? I don't know if this is a criminal act under French law. I think the behaviour is disgusting. But people need to get a grip. These are idiots, they should be banned from football, they should be named and shamed, but let's keep it to what is actually legal and achievable. According to the guardian it can land you 3 years in prison and a 45k euro fine." Oh then it must be right if it's in the Guardian They don't have a left wing agenda at all Id like to know what the French authorities say... | |||
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"Like to see the whole video no edits " Me too ...... | |||
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"The irony is that it happened in France, to a (probable) Frenchman, by foreigners! I hope the law deals with them to properly. Pictures emerging today of one of the louts with Nigel Farage - who himself has a foreign wife! You couldn't make this stuff up
The Fargage and Chelsea haters are all over this. If we see a photo of the racist guy drinking a Starbucks I guess that would make them a racist organisation for taking his money.
Perspective is required here....."Not saying I hate Farage or Chelsea, just stating the facts. I'm sure you'll agree Farage basically stating that this country's problems are mostly down to immigration is hypocritical when he has a German wife. | |||
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"I've watched it over n over n over on the news. Train looks full to me and I can't hear what they are saying. Later reports say it's been hyped before the truth is known. " I don't think anyone is disputing what was said. Moreover, the train was clearly not full. The man was inside the train before he was ejected by representatives of the English public. What happened, therefore, is/was pretty clear to anyone with a modicum of sense.  | |||
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"hope they throw the racist scum in prison Yeh cos that would solve everything wouldn't it ! Does the original poster know enough about French law to put that forward as a possibility? I don't know if this is a criminal act under French law. I think the behaviour is disgusting. But people need to get a grip. These are idiots, they should be banned from football, they should be named and shamed, but let's keep it to what is actually legal and achievable. According to the guardian it can land you 3 years in prison and a 45k euro fine. Oh then it must be right if it's in the Guardian They don't have a left wing agenda at all Id like to know what the French authorities say..." Again, I'm stating facts. That's likely to be the maximum penalty and I doubt they would get that for what they did as it wasn't exactly violent. However, it could still be considered assault as they did touch him. | |||
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"He probably had a lucky escape just think what they might have done if he had got on the train "Couldn't agree more. It's obvious what they were - lamentable that people 'try' to say otherwise, but very much expected... | |||
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"Lifetime ban from all Chelsea AND England games. Think the club need to get a hefty fine over this as well to send out a message of ZERO Tolerance for this sort of behaviour. Put more pressure on clubs to these men out! " How can you fine the club for what so called supporters do outside of the ground ! | |||
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"The irony is that it happened in France, to a (probable) Frenchman, by foreigners! I hope the law deals with them to properly. Pictures emerging today of one of the louts with Nigel Farage - who himself has a foreign wife! You couldn't make this stuff up
The Fargage and Chelsea haters are all over this. If we see a photo of the racist guy drinking a Starbucks I guess that would make them a racist organisation for taking his money.
Perspective is required here.....
Not saying I hate Farage or Chelsea, just stating the facts.
I'm sure you'll agree Farage basically stating that this country's problems are mostly down to immigration is hypocritical when he has a German wife."I'm pretty sure I don't agree. I don't support UKIP or Farage by the way. But your argument is oversimplified. There are problems associated with the mass indiscriminate immigration we have allowed in recent year. There is good immigration and there is bad immigration, we have had our fair share of both. It's not a racist assertion that not all immigration is good. | |||
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"I've watched it over n over n over on the news. Train looks full to me and I can't hear what they are saying. Later reports say it's been hyped before the truth is known. I don't think anyone is disputing what was said. Moreover, the train was clearly not full. The man was inside the train before he was ejected by representatives of the English public. What happened, therefore, is/was pretty clear to anyone with a modicum of sense. "Thankfully I have more than a modicum. Watch the video from where the man approaches the train. He never got on. He was never inside by more than one step. That is very clear to anyone who wants to see. | |||
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"He probably had a lucky escape just think what they might have done if he had got on the train
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It's obvious what they were - lamentable that people 'try' to say otherwise, but very much expected... "I know... Strange how I still find myself angered by it | |||
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"Lifetime ban from all Chelsea AND England games. Think the club need to get a hefty fine over this as well to send out a message of ZERO Tolerance for this sort of behaviour. Put more pressure on clubs to these men out! How can you fine the club for what so called supporters do outside of the ground !" Getting fed up with these people who over react to everything in order to say something they feel is valid. I agree with the respondent. I guess in future everyone who buys a ticket for a game should be vetted to ensure they have no racist bones in their body....... Get a grip! | |||
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"I've watched it over n over n over on the news. Train looks full to me and I can't hear what they are saying. Later reports say it's been hyped before the truth is known. I don't think anyone is disputing what was said. Moreover, the train was clearly not full. The man was inside the train before he was ejected by representatives of the English public. What happened, therefore, is/was pretty clear to anyone with a modicum of sense.
Thankfully I have more than a modicum.
Watch the video from where the man approaches the train.
He never got on.
He was never inside by more than one step.
That is very clear to anyone who wants to see. "Case in point | |||
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"He probably had a lucky escape just think what they might have done if he had got on the train
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It's obvious what they were - lamentable that people 'try' to say otherwise, but very much expected... "Nothing is obvious to anyone who wasn't there. The men doing the singing and the men doing the pushing are not even the same people. e.g The big bloke at the front of the train isn't singing anything at any point in the film. Who is to say that the people singing the song are actually 'with' the men doing the pushing. If I come out of an arena at the same time as other visitors to the arena it doesn't follow that I am with them. | |||
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"hope they throw the racist scum in prison Yeh cos that would solve everything wouldn't it ! Does the original poster know enough about French law to put that forward as a possibility? I don't know if this is a criminal act under French law. I think the behaviour is disgusting. But people need to get a grip. These are idiots, they should be banned from football, they should be named and shamed, but let's keep it to what is actually legal and achievable. According to the guardian it can land you 3 years in prison and a 45k euro fine." I was watching on the news last night and the reporter said that I'm accordance with French law it does carry a 3 years prison sentence, so if cough they could serve time | |||
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"I've watched it over n over n over on the news. Train looks full to me and I can't hear what they are saying. Later reports say it's been hyped before the truth is known. I don't think anyone is disputing what was said. Moreover, the train was clearly not full. The man was inside the train before he was ejected by representatives of the English public. What happened, therefore, is/was pretty clear to anyone with a modicum of sense.
Thankfully I have more than a modicum.
Watch the video from where the man approaches the train.
He never got on.
He was never inside by more than one step.
That is very clear to anyone who wants to see.
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also when the camera pans around the doors.. two of the people actually move aside to reveal there was room.... | |||
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"I've watched it over n over n over on the news. Train looks full to me and I can't hear what they are saying. Later reports say it's been hyped before the truth is known. I don't think anyone is disputing what was said. Moreover, the train was clearly not full. The man was inside the train before he was ejected by representatives of the English public. What happened, therefore, is/was pretty clear to anyone with a modicum of sense.
Thankfully I have more than a modicum.
Watch the video from where the man approaches the train.
He never got on.
He was never inside by more than one step.
That is very clear to anyone who wants to see.
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"Lifetime ban from all Chelsea AND England games. Think the club need to get a hefty fine over this as well to send out a message of ZERO Tolerance for this sort of behaviour. Put more pressure on clubs to these men out! How can you fine the club for what so called supporters do outside of the ground !" Like it or not, like footballers, the fans also represent their club. If they're season ticket holders or regular attendants to games then they are part of the club. | |||
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"He probably had a lucky escape just think what they might have done if he had got on the train
Couldn't agree more.
It's obvious what they were - lamentable that people 'try' to say otherwise, but very much expected...
Nothing is obvious to anyone who wasn't there.
The men doing the singing and the men doing the pushing are not even the same people.
e.g The big bloke at the front of the train isn't singing anything at any point in the film.
Who is to say that the people singing the song are actually 'with' the men doing the pushing.
If I come out of an arena at the same time as other visitors to the arena it doesn't follow that I am with them. "You'd make a good lawyer | |||
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"actually if you see the video again... the reason when gent tries that carriage is about 5 seconds before he gets there... a woman actually leaves that carriage....
also when the camera pans around the doors.. two of the people actually move aside to reveal there was room...."I've watched every one I can find Fabio. Do you have a link for what you saw please ? | |||
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"Lifetime ban from all Chelsea AND England games. Think the club need to get a hefty fine over this as well to send out a message of ZERO Tolerance for this sort of behaviour. Put more pressure on clubs to these men out! How can you fine the club for what so called supporters do outside of the ground ! Getting fed up with these people who over react to everything in order to say something they feel is valid. I agree with the respondent. I guess in future everyone who buys a ticket for a game should be vetted to ensure they have no racist bones in their body....... Get a grip!" In a perfect world...yes, they should. 
Ok, in all seriousness, It might not seem like a big deal but it's not just the reputation of Chelsea fans being dragged through the shit but all fans. Clubs also have responsibility to kick racism out of their clubs. My concern is that type of behaviour happening among the terraces and getting missed. | |||
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"Football (not just Chelsea) still has a serious problem with racism. I can guarantee you will see incidicents like this week in week out at various stations, pubs etc before and after games. Sadly little is done and hopefully this act being caught on video might see another attack on the mindless idiots who still judge people by their race, colour and sexuality." If teams stand by players like John Terry or Suarez instead of punishing them then some fans will think it's fine to do as they please | |||
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"Football (not just Chelsea) still has a serious problem with racism. I can guarantee you will see incidicents like this week in week out at various stations, pubs etc before and after games. Sadly little is done and hopefully this act being caught on video might see another attack on the mindless idiots who still judge people by their race, colour and sexuality. If teams stand by players like John Terry or Suarez instead of punishing them then some fans will think it's fine to do as they please" Unfortunately, while players are _iewed as assets, and while money is more important than the game, racists like Terry and Suarez will never be properly punished and therefore racism will persist. | |||
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"Football (not just Chelsea) still has a serious problem with racism. I can guarantee you will see incidicents like this week in week out at various stations, pubs etc before and after games. Sadly little is done and hopefully this act being caught on video might see another attack on the mindless idiots who still judge people by their race, colour and sexuality. If teams stand by players like John Terry or Suarez instead of punishing them then some fans will think it's fine to do as they please" Great point there. Poor old Nic Anelka got the boot tho! | |||
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"I watch Cardiff City home and away and the amount of racism we receive is unbeliable calling us sheep shagging bardards do we care a fuck No " Is it an admission of guilt? | |||
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"Was he decapitated, burnt alive, stoned no, not even kicked or punched. There was restraint from both party's. They Chelsea fans would only receive a caution if it would ever go to court. Move on.. " Well said that man. | |||
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"Football (not just Chelsea) still has a serious problem with racism. I can guarantee you will see incidicents like this week in week out at various stations, pubs etc before and after games. Sadly little is done and hopefully this act being caught on video might see another attack on the mindless idiots who still judge people by their race, colour and sexuality. If teams stand by players like John Terry or Suarez instead of punishing them then some fans will think it's fine to do as they please" Agreed | |||
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"Was he decapitated, burnt alive, stoned no, not even kicked or punched. There was restraint from both party's. They Chelsea fans would only receive a caution if it would ever go to court. Move on.. Well said that man." So it was ok to physically refuse a man entry onto a train for any reason?? Also ok to sing racist chants? | |||
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"its not just football it everywhere what about that cumberbach guy because he's posh it seems to be ok live and let live" When did cumberbatch sing racist songs and prevent someone getting on a train | |||
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"Was he decapitated, burnt alive, stoned no, not even kicked or punched. There was restraint from both party's. They Chelsea fans would only receive a caution if it would ever go to court. Move on.. Well said that man. So it was ok to physically refuse a man entry onto a train for any reason?? Also ok to sing racist chants? " Obviously not.  | |||
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"Was he decapitated, burnt alive, stoned no, not even kicked or punched. There was restraint from both party's. They Chelsea fans would only receive a caution if it would ever go to court. Move on.. " see... that shows a lack of awareness... they wouldn't go to a british court they would go to a french court... and the french authorities are the ones treating it as if it is a racist case...... | |||
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"It's been filmed Obviously a racial attack Discuss the punishment you would give Removal of a passport for life I'd suggest to start with Lifetime ban from any match Custodial sentence? Yes " And you question why you never really see any people or colour at live football games in the uk or predominately Caucasian countries! Fans would turn on us in a second if things didn't go their teams way . | |||
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"All cus he had a bigger dick then them!! They should stick to and leave everyone else alone!" How do you know he had a bigger dick than they did ? | |||
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"its not just football it everywhere what about that cumberbach guy because he's posh it seems to be ok live and let live When did cumberbatch sing racist songs and prevent someone getting on a train" He referred to someone as 'coloured'. Hardly racist but it is politically incorrect. | |||
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"Was he decapitated, burnt alive, stoned no, not even kicked or punched. There was restraint from both party's. They Chelsea fans would only receive a caution if it would ever go to court. Move on.. Well said that man. So it was ok to physically refuse a man entry onto a train for any reason?? Also ok to sing racist chants? Obviously not. "So we have incitement to racial hatred and assault. It will be interesting to see how the French may _iew this in the light of the current heightened sense of racial tension following Charlie Hebdo. | |||
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"Was he decapitated, burnt alive, stoned no, not even kicked or punched. There was restraint from both party's. They Chelsea fans would only receive a caution if it would ever go to court. Move on.. "  Are you being serious? Are you really suggesting that tge victim should just be grateful he was attacked or killed | |||
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"its not just football it everywhere what about that cumberbach guy because he's posh it seems to be ok live and let live When did cumberbatch sing racist songs and prevent someone getting on a train He referred to someone as 'coloured'. Hardly racist but it is politically incorrect." And he was trying to make a valid point. But that's a completely different thread! | |||
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"Was he decapitated, burnt alive, stoned no, not even kicked or punched. There was restraint from both party's. They Chelsea fans would only receive a caution if it would ever go to court. Move on.. " Yep such admirable 'restraint' shown by a mob of racists, as you say they didn't even kick or punch him, I'm surprised the guy didn't shake their hand and say thank you for not sending me home in a St.Johns ambulance. | |||
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"Was he decapitated, burnt alive, stoned no, not even kicked or punched. There was restraint from both party's. They Chelsea fans would only receive a caution if it would ever go to court. Move on.. Are you being serious? Are you really suggesting that tge victim should just be grateful he was attacked or killed"Hell yeah havnt you seen the news lately. | |||
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"All cus he had a bigger dick then them!! They should stick to and leave everyone else alone! How do you know he had a bigger dick than they did ?" Can't u tell I'm only kidding!!!! | |||
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"Hit the teams for fan's behaviour. Games played behind closed doors. Loss of TV money. Televised matches played in kit without sponsors logos and no other advertising. Once it costs teams money they'll tackle fans' behaviour. Until then they have no motivation and will just make tge right noises about being shocked" | |||
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"Once again john terry gets brought in, did you forget he was found INNOCENT in a british court of LAW !!! The FA are a law unto themselves that does not make him a racist ! Ignorance as usual. Chelsea hatred again and again, funny that supporters are called racist yet loads of ethnic players in our team ( for a long time as well ) This is a very very small minority who havent even been found guilty of anything yet, yet the chants of scum and throw them in prison and general hatred of Chelsea prevails. All that does is breed ignorance and shows lack of intelligence. " hang on... thats not fair... its is chelsea fans using the song, which they say glorifies john terry, to say they weren't being racist..... its not the only accusations of chelsea fans chanting really obnoxious things whilst in paris this week.... and on the subway.... so yes... chelsea fans can circle the wagons or put heads in the sands if they want.... until chelsea fans out chelsea fans for doing it... it aint going away | |||
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"Chelsea hatred again and again, funny that supporters are called racist yet loads of ethnic players in our team ( for a long time as well )" Having black players doesn't mean that some fans of that team aren't racist. They don't get to pick who plays for them. I was at a Millwall game when about 20 of their fans made monkey noises and gestures at nearby Wolves fan - they had Dion Dublin, Pail Ifill and Tony Warner in their side. | |||
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"Chelsea hatred again and again, funny that supporters are called racist yet loads of ethnic players in our team ( for a long time as well ) Having black players doesn't mean that some fans of that team aren't racist. They don't get to pick who plays for them. I was at a Millwall game when about 20 of their fans made monkey noises and gestures at nearby Wolves fan - they had Dion Dublin, Pail Ifill and Tony Warner in their side. " Fans need to address this among the terraces as well. That's part of the issue. | |||
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"Claude Makelele black French Chelsea legand, they even named a position after him, hold your heads in shame you racist idiots." What? | |||
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"I've watched it over n over n over on the news. Train looks full to me and I can't hear what they are saying. Later reports say it's been hyped before the truth is known. the were singing, "we're racist, we're racist, we're racist..... and thats the way we like it, we like it, we like it!" its one of the songs they sing for their captain, john terry...... i think the "train full" arguement might pass... if it wasn't for the speed/force he was push out the 2nd time round......" Absolutely true No bloody press hyping the truth They're filmed singing racist songs No flipping excuses I'm afraid | |||
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"Although do not condone this behaviour do Chelsea have the legal rights to ban these people when didn't occur in stadium but in a public place??? " Yes I believe so | |||
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"Although do not condone this behaviour do Chelsea have the legal rights to ban these people when didn't occur in stadium but in a public place??? " If they're Season ticket holders/regular attendants of fixtures then yes, clubs have the ability to enforce bans at their discretion. For all we know, the men in question may only go to a few games a year but could still be banned. | |||
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"Was he decapitated, burnt alive, stoned no, not even kicked or punched. There was restraint from both party's. They Chelsea fans would only receive a caution if it would ever go to court. Move on.. " Restraint? | |||
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"Although do not condone this behaviour do Chelsea have the legal rights to ban these people when didn't occur in stadium but in a public place??? Yes I believe so " I not so sure...I believe wouldn't have the power to as happened in a public place...Chelsea may claim brings club into disrepute as they wearing there jerseys....In that case will Samsung ban them from buying there products? Will they loss their jobs also over it.....if in the stadium banned without a doubt as on football association property.....but in public I could see legal issues | |||
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"Although do not condone this behaviour do Chelsea have the legal rights to ban these people when didn't occur in stadium but in a public place??? Yes I believe so I not so sure...I believe wouldn't have the power to as happened in a public place...Chelsea may claim brings club into disrepute as they wearing there jerseys....In that case will Samsung ban them from buying there products? Will they loss their jobs also over it.....if in the stadium banned without a doubt as on football association property.....but in public I could see legal issues" They probably have the right to refuse admittance to anyone they wish.  | |||
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We should probably reserve judgement until all the facts present themselves, but as usual the forum hot heads have a bee in their bonnets. ........good grief "I don't think anyone's got a bee in their bonnet. The poster who you are replying to is just making some suggestions as to how this kind of behaviour can be erradicated. | |||
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"Hit the teams for fan's behaviour. Games played behind closed doors. Loss of TV money. Televised matches played in kit without sponsors logos and no other advertising. Once it costs teams money they'll tackle fans' behaviour. Until then they have no motivation and will just make tge right noises about being shocked maybe we could do that for everything, hit nightclubs for the behaviour of their patrons after they close, loss of entry fees and music played behind closed doors
We should probably reserve judgement until all the facts present themselves, but as usual the forum hot heads have a bee in their bonnets. ........good grief "The difference between Nightclubs and Football clubs are football clubs are considered family environments. If you're going to rubbish the point, Please use a better comparison.
I appreciate such feelings appear a bit kneejerk but this is still big problem in the game and it's constantly bringing football into disrepute. Clubs have a responsibility to do everything they can to kick it out.
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"Although do not condone this behaviour do Chelsea have the legal rights to ban these people when didn't occur in stadium but in a public place??? Yes I believe so I not so sure...I believe wouldn't have the power to as happened in a public place...Chelsea may claim brings club into disrepute as they wearing there jerseys....In that case will Samsung ban them from buying there products? Will they loss their jobs also over it.....if in the stadium banned without a doubt as on football association property.....but in public I could see legal issues" What about all the fans that got banned after Euro 2000 in Charleroi? They were street fights | |||
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"Heres my take on the footage..... The guy approaches to board, the train is clearly very full as he steps in he is givin a gentle nudge and perhaps told the carriage is full. The man then tries to step back on and that could be taken by anyone as an aggressive approach, there then appears to be a heated debate and at no point does the gentleman back off etc ( no offence but i would not front out a load of football fans ) Now the fact the gentleman was ethnic could be purely coincidental. I agree the chants are not acceptable but does that mean they are scum and should go to prison ? No. I will wait and see what happens in a court of law if anything. " The chanters are scum in my book but so far you are the only person I want on the jury when im had up for murder. That is precisely what the video showed. | |||
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"Heres my take on the footage..... The guy approaches to board, the train is clearly very full as he steps in he is givin a gentle nudge and perhaps told the carriage is full. The man then tries to step back on and that could be taken by anyone as an aggressive approach, there then appears to be a heated debate and at no point does the gentleman back off etc ( no offence but i would not front out a load of football fans ) Now the fact the gentleman was ethnic could be purely coincidental. I agree the chants are not acceptable but does that mean they are scum and should go to prison ? No. I will wait and see what happens in a court of law if anything. The chanters are scum in my book but so far you are the only person I want on the jury when im had up for murder. That is precisely what the video showed. " Thank you | |||
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The difference between Nightclubs and Football clubs are football clubs are considered family environments. If you're going to rubbish the point, Please use a better comparison.
I appreciate such feelings appear a bit kneejerk but this is still big problem in the game and it's constantly bringing football into disrepute. Clubs have a responsibility to do everything they can to kick it out.
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"My take on it is this It wouldn't happen at cricket or rugby So why repeatedly do football fans seem to think it's acceptable behaviour Cricket madam, is a gentleman's game. Ruggers is played on the hallowed grounds of public schools. UM EXCUSE ME ITS SO NOT IN WALES!!!!! ?? Football ..... a sheeps skin booted through the villages of England. " | |||
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"My take on it is this It wouldn't happen at cricket or rugby So why repeatedly do football fans seem to think it's acceptable behaviour " It's not acceptable and true football fans don't stand for it or like it at all. But you have highlighted a very valid point. Football is more popular than Rugby and Cricket yet those sports (from my understanding) don't seem to have this problem constantly popping up. So it's clear that what's currently being done is not enough. | |||
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"My take on it is this It wouldn't happen at cricket or rugby So why repeatedly do football fans seem to think it's acceptable behaviour It's not acceptable and true football fans don't stand for it or like it at all. But you have highlighted a very valid point. Football is more popular than Rugby and Cricket yet those sports (from my understanding) don't seem to have this problem constantly popping up. So it's clear that what's currently being done is not enough." obviously not familiar with any of the barmy army songs and chants at the test matches then | |||
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"My take on it is this It wouldn't happen at cricket or rugby So why repeatedly do football fans seem to think it's acceptable behaviour It's not acceptable and true football fans don't stand for it or like it at all. But you have highlighted a very valid point. Football is more popular than Rugby and Cricket yet those sports (from my understanding) don't seem to have this problem constantly popping up. So it's clear that what's currently being done is not enough. obviously not familiar with any of the barmy army songs and chants at the test matches then" Au contrair I so am Not in the same league tho | |||
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"its not just football it everywhere what about that cumberbach guy because he's posh it seems to be ok live and let live When did cumberbatch sing racist songs and prevent someone getting on a train He referred to someone as 'coloured'. Hardly racist but it is politically incorrect." How is that the same as singing "I'm a racist!" | |||
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"I agree that talk of prison is over the top. Though it should be remembered that recent events in Paris may well mean that the city is going to be far from receptive to acts of intolerance" The recent deplorable events in Paris and Denmark came about BECAUSE of acts of intolerance. | |||
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"My take on it is this It wouldn't happen at cricket or rugby So why repeatedly do football fans seem to think it's acceptable behaviour It's not acceptable and true football fans don't stand for it or like it at all. But you have highlighted a very valid point. Football is more popular than Rugby and Cricket yet those sports (from my understanding) don't seem to have this problem constantly popping up. So it's clear that what's currently being done is not enough. obviously not familiar with any of the barmy army songs and chants at the test matches then" To be honest, I don't watch Cricket. I find it boring. 
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"My take on it is this It wouldn't happen at cricket or rugby So why repeatedly do football fans seem to think it's acceptable behaviour It's not acceptable and true football fans don't stand for it or like it at all. But you have highlighted a very valid point. Football is more popular than Rugby and Cricket yet those sports (from my understanding) don't seem to have this problem constantly popping up. So it's clear that what's currently being done is not enough. obviously not familiar with any of the barmy army songs and chants at the test matches then To be honest, I don't watch Cricket. I find it boring.
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"My take on it is this It wouldn't happen at cricket or rugby So why repeatedly do football fans seem to think it's acceptable behaviour Cricket madam, is a gentleman's game. Ruggers is played on the hallowed grounds of public schools. Football ..... a sheeps skin booted through the villages of England. " Ruggers? Wtf. Lol. You should be living in Kent pmsl. Football is a family game unfortunately you get a few who will always cause trouble and bring it's name into disrepute. I'm no Chelsea fan but I can bet the majority are disgusted by those individuals involved in the incident in Paris, hopefully the appropriate authorities will deal with them. | |||
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"They seen their beloved captain only get a slap on the wrist for being racist even when their was video evidence to prove what he said. Unless the fa are gonna get the finger out and hit someone hard then it's not gonna stop. Being the England captain had a lot to do with the leniency they showed Terry, which was proved after what happened to Suarez (no video evidence). They've a lot to answer for (the fa)" You call losing his captaincy a slap on the wrist ?? | |||
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"They seen their beloved captain only get a slap on the wrist for being racist even when their was video evidence to prove what he said. Unless the fa are gonna get the finger out and hit someone hard then it's not gonna stop. Being the England captain had a lot to do with the leniency they showed Terry, which was proved after what happened to Suarez (no video evidence). They've a lot to answer for (the fa)" Suarez didn't need video evidence... because in the hearing he admitted to saying it....and he admitted to saying it at evra..... but he didn't mean it as it was acceptable to say it in uruguay (that was his defence) | |||
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"Never liked Chelsea!, abramovichs ownership has just made it worse." but we will win the league | |||
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"It's the same with Birmingham City with the Blue Zulu gang just a bunch of knob jockeys " As I said earlier, you will see loads of situations like that recorded in Paris every weekend all over this country. Racism, homophobia and violence are still rife within football. | |||
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"They seen their beloved captain only get a slap on the wrist for being racist even when their was video evidence to prove what he said. Unless the fa are gonna get the finger out and hit someone hard then it's not gonna stop. Being the England captain had a lot to do with the leniency they showed Terry, which was proved after what happened to Suarez (no video evidence). They've a lot to answer for (the fa) Suarez didn't need video evidence... because in the hearing he admitted to saying it....and he admitted to saying it at evra..... but he didn't mean it as it was acceptable to say it in uruguay (that was his defence) "I understand that but my point is unless the fa do their job properly and come down hard on clubs to sort out their fans. My point with Terry was just because he was English they didn't reprimand him as serious as Suarez. That's not right at all. No matter what nationality someone is, racism is racism and should be addressed quickly. | |||
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"I dont k ow much about football and how its run i dont even like it to be honest but 've always thought a good way to police arseholes in football grounds would be for every one who enters the stadium to have some sort licence the same as driving no card no entry everyone would be on a database so if anything did occur they already know who was in there at the time, and also keep tabs on known idiots with some sort or points/banning system and obviously then there is no way a banned person could enter " That is almost word for word what Margaret thatcher tried to introduce. I think she called it the football membership scheme. | |||
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"It's been filmed Obviously a racial attack Discuss the punishment you would give Removal of a passport for life I'd suggest to start with Lifetime ban from any match Custodial sentence? Yes " How embarrassing !! Shower of absolute fucking wankers !! Not long ago we were absolutely gobsmacked at the events in Paris these fucking idiots need to take a long hard look at themselves x sack them jail them but in Paris no here in the uk ! See what their arses are like when they in there! Wankers just wankers x Sorry but rant over !! | |||
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"Surely the English and the Welsh are the same race ? Different National Identify maybe .. but race ?" Some Welsh people might consider themselves to be Celts in terms of ancestry, and the history of Wales in the Celtic Nations. I found the video shocking, but the guy who has now been outed in the DM, and shown in a photo with Farage (lol) was very quick to try and hide his face as soon as he saw he was being filmed. | |||
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"It's been filmed Obviously a racial attack Discuss the punishment you would give Removal of a passport for life I'd suggest to start with Lifetime ban from any match Custodial sentence? Yes Lifetime ban yes, as for the rest a bit too strong !! Whilst i dont condone their behaviour its a very small minority and most of us true Chelsea fans are nothing like them and have decried their behaviour in every way. " Whilst it might be uncomfortable to admit, they are as 'true' a fan as you, they obviously support the club, they've travelled to see a match in another country (I know it's probably quicker to get to than Newcastle). The idea that behaved fans are real, true fans and badly behaved fans are not is a concept that's false. | |||
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"They make me ashamed to be a Chelsea supporter. They make me ashamed to be English/British. They make me ashamed to be white. But at the same time I know in my heart I am no more responsible for their actions than every muslim is responsible for IS or Al Qaeda. I hope they get their just desserts. Mr ddc"
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"Football (not just Chelsea) still has a serious problem with racism. I can guarantee you will see incidicents like this week in week out at various stations, pubs etc before and after games. Sadly little is done and hopefully this act being caught on video might see another attack on the mindless idiots who still judge people by their race, colour and sexuality. If teams stand by players like John Terry or Suarez instead of punishing them then some fans will think it's fine to do as they please Unfortunately, while players are _iewed as assets, and while money is more important than the game, racists like Terry and Suarez will never be properly punished and therefore racism will persist. " Im sorry... was john Terry found not guilty????? Racism is rife in this country forget football it is just the tip of the iceberg and not just white on black but black on white, nationality on nationality. There is only one way to sort it and it isnt prison. Education is the key.. a few months or years in prison will not stop someone being a bigot, educate children from day one and make sure their knowledge is full so they not only learn but have the intelligence to use that knowledge. As for the train.. nothing will come of it in truth all will deny it was them and proving racism would be too difficult I think. | |||
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"They seen their beloved captain only get a slap on the wrist for being racist even when their was video evidence to prove what he said. Unless the fa are gonna get the finger out and hit someone hard then it's not gonna stop. Being the England captain had a lot to do with the leniency they showed Terry, which was proved after what happened to Suarez (no video evidence). They've a lot to answer for (the fa) yes it was only a slap on the wrist. You call losing his captaincy a slap on the wrist ?? "yes that was the least that should have happened. How many kids look up to this player? Not setting much of an example. Do u think he was treated unfairly? | |||
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"I've watched it over n over n over on the news. Train looks full to me and I can't hear what they are saying. Later reports say it's been hyped before the truth is known. the were singing, "we're racist, we're racist, we're racist..... and thats the way we like it, we like it, we like it!" its one of the songs they sing for their captain, john terry...... i think the "train full" arguement might pass... if it wasn't for the speed/force he was push out the 2nd time round...... I watched it again Fabio. I watched as many different vids as I could find. He tries to board the train but they are at the door. He pushes first. They push back and wont let him pass. He pushes back. They push him back. There is then footage of them singing 'we're racist' as you say but it is NOT the same footage. There is a black woman at the doors by this time. I don't know if it's illegal to be racist although I do know racism or race crimes are. I'm not sure that the evidence is conslusive that he was pushed off the train for being black. I do feel that those singing the song are guilty of racism and racial disorder in public and should be punished." This | |||
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"I've watched it over n over n over on the news. Train looks full to me and I can't hear what they are saying. Later reports say it's been hyped before the truth is known. " That's what it looks like to me as well. seems a lot of fuss over a little push. but then theres always those that look to make the most of something & nothing | |||
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"I've watched it over n over n over on the news. Train looks full to me and I can't hear what they are saying. Later reports say it's been hyped before the truth is known. That's what it looks like to me as well. seems a lot of fuss over a little push. but then theres always those that look to make the most of something & nothing I've seen footage that clearly shows that the carriage wasn't full, only at the doors where the poor guy was trying to get on. Even if it was full, what rite did they have to push him back out again? They were just the same old group of cowardly bigots that used to plague the tube on a Saturday afternoon back in the 'bad old' 70's & 80's, - probably their offspring!! If that's how they behave whilst overseas, weather its following football or in Benidorm, etc, then confiscate their passports ffs! If any of those chickens had been on their own, they wouldn't have uttered a word or laid a finger on that guy, - they're just the same old scum!" I tend to agree | |||
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"I've watched it over n over n over on the news. Train looks full to me and I can't hear what they are saying. Later reports say it's been hyped before the truth is known. That's what it looks like to me as well. seems a lot of fuss over a little push. but then theres always those that look to make the most of something & nothing I've seen footage that clearly shows that the carriage wasn't full, only at the doors where the poor guy was trying to get on. Even if it was full, what rite did they have to push him back out again? They were just the same old group of cowardly bigots that used to plague the tube on a Saturday afternoon back in the 'bad old' 70's & 80's, - probably their offspring!! If that's how they behave whilst overseas, weather its following football or in Benidorm, etc, then confiscate their passports ffs! If any of those chickens had been on their own, they wouldn't have uttered a word or laid a finger on that guy, - they're just the same old scum! I tend to agree " I agree 100%, The chanters and pushers were anti social yobs and need sorting out. It's the immediate cry of racism despite lack of evidence that concerns me in every day life. | |||
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"they should be given community service, help take care of the elderly." will certainly improve their French speaking.. | |||
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"Lifetime ban from football, or worse still be made to watch Aston Villa for the rest of the season. On a serious note, everything within the law that can be done. Problematic as its French law but the lifetime ban is minimum. As a Chelsea fan I am sickened though not naive enough to be shocked. Much has been made of them being Chelsea fans, they are not fans." I agree they are a disgrace to football and should be banned for life from all football | |||
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"Chelsea have now banned 3 of them." PR mate! they won't miss a match! | |||
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"they should be given community service, help take care of the elderly." Aaah, wee wee, oui oui? | |||
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"It's been filmed Obviously a racial attack Discuss the punishment you would give Removal of a passport for life I'd suggest to start with Lifetime ban from any match Custodial sentence? Yes Lifetime ban yes, as for the rest a bit too strong !! Whilst i dont condone their behaviour its a very small minority and most of us true Chelsea fans are nothing like them and have decried their behaviour in every way. " It's not about other Chelsea fans though. It's about these particular ones. I have no idea what French law states but here I believe they could be jailed. | |||
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"If the evidence is there then they must be dealt with by the law in France, fine, imprisonment and whatever else. They should receive a lifetime ban from football. ( though I've seen Man Utd lately and can't really call that football so they should be ok for Old Trafford) Passports taken, no. You'll find that there is Human Rights legislation that would prevent that. They should also be named by responsible media so everyone knows who they are. These are all proportionate measures. The fashionably offended and chelsea haters need to get a grip on perspective. Parallels being drawn with John Terry are nonsense. This could and does happen at most clubs. It's wrong and the clubs should do their utmost to ensure these people never go to another game. But the clubs can't ban them from public transport and public places or stop them being racist, they can however disassociate the club from these people." If they are banned from football the law requires them to hand in their passport whenever england or their team plays abroad. And the police have the power to ban them from public transport on match days. | |||
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"If the evidence is there then they must be dealt with by the law in France, fine, imprisonment and whatever else. They should receive a lifetime ban from football. ( though I've seen Man Utd lately and can't really call that football so they should be ok for Old Trafford) Passports taken, no. You'll find that there is Human Rights legislation that would prevent that. They should also be named by responsible media so everyone knows who they are. These are all proportionate measures. The fashionably offended and chelsea haters need to get a grip on perspective. Parallels being drawn with John Terry are nonsense. This could and does happen at most clubs. It's wrong and the clubs should do their utmost to ensure these people never go to another game. But the clubs can't ban them from public transport and public places or stop them being racist, they can however disassociate the club from these people. If they are banned from football the law requires them to hand in their passport whenever england or their team plays abroad. And the police have the power to ban them from public transport on match days. " And that's appropriate, no problem with that at all. Im outraged by their behaviour and would agree with any reasonable sanction. I just get a bit vexed at people who get carried away on a wave of hate and loathing. | |||
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"Passports taken, no. You'll find that there is Human Rights legislation that would prevent that." I think you will find that the entitlement to hold a passport is a privilege not a right, and that one of the conditions of using a passport is that you do not do anything that will bring disrepute to Her Majesty or Britain. "The fashionably offended and chelsea haters need to get a grip on perspective. Parallels being drawn with John Terry are nonsense. This could and does happen at most clubs. It's wrong and the clubs should do their utmost to ensure these people never go to another game. But the clubs can't ban them from public transport and public places or stop them being racist, they can however disassociate the club from these people." Like it or not the fact that Chelsea took no action against Terry while the FA fined him £220,000 and banned him for 4 matches is in itself proof that the club condones racism. Anyone who fails to acknowledge this is equally guilty of condoning racism. The fact that most clubs hide the rule that says if their fans make a racist attack that does not happen on club property or in the immediate vicinity of a ground they are playing at while traveling to or from a game is quite frankly disgusting! But the idea that an obviously Chelsea fan would use that as an excuse to mitigate the recorded racism of Chelsea fans and the clubs willingness to condone such behavior is beyond disgusting! You should hang your head. | |||
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