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"Calling all Grammar Nazis, where are you on this? If you got a text message saying, "Bring Bob, a DJ and a clown". Would you think that Bob is multi-talented or would you think that it's 3 different people? For those who don't know, the same sentence would look like this, with the Oxford comma.... Bring Bob, a DJ, and a clown. Here's the video from TED ED, http://youtu.be/ptM7FzyjtRk" I was taught to use it and often, in formal writing, I still do. It is, however, quite acceptable to drop it. | |||
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"Calling all Grammar Nazis, where are you on this? If you got a text message saying, "Bring Bob, a DJ and a clown". Would you think that Bob is multi-talented or would you think that it's 3 different people? For those who don't know, the same sentence would look like this, with the Oxford comma.... Bring Bob, a DJ, and a clown. Here's the video from TED ED, http://youtu.be/ptM7FzyjtRk" I would think 3 different people. I am French, so our rules for punctuations are different. In French, you would not need a comma in front of the 'and/et'. Do you need a comma in front of the 'and' in your sentence in English? Bring Bob, a DJ, and a clown. As the 'and' is kind of a comma already Is that too deep for a Saturday night lol | |||
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"I thought you shouldn't use a comma before the word and so I would of said 3 different people. " see i was taught the other way Rita, Bob, and Sue | |||
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"Calling all Grammar Nazis, where are you on this? If you got a text message saying, "Bring Bob, a DJ and a clown". Would you think that Bob is multi-talented or would you think that it's 3 different people? For those who don't know, the same sentence would look like this, with the Oxford comma.... Bring Bob, a DJ, and a clown. Here's the video from TED ED, http://youtu.be/ptM7FzyjtRk I would think 3 different people. I am French, so our rules for punctuations are different. In French, you would not need a comma in front of the 'and/et'. Do you need a comma in front of the 'and' in your sentence in English? Bring Bob, a DJ, and a clown. As the 'and' is kind of a comma already Is that too deep for a Saturday night lol " Without the comma it could be read as the DJ is also a clown. | |||
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"I was always taught not to use one, but I do sometimes if I think it'll enhance the understanding of the sentence." Exactly. Punctuation should aid meaning and nothing else. It's not really that big a deal to use terms like 'Nazis' for those who want to take a little pride in how they write. | |||
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"Calling all Grammar Nazis, where are you on this? If you got a text message saying, "Bring Bob, a DJ and a clown". Would you think that Bob is multi-talented or would you think that it's 3 different people? For those who don't know, the same sentence would look like this, with the Oxford comma.... Bring Bob, a DJ, and a clown. Here's the video from TED ED, http://youtu.be/ptM7FzyjtRk I would think 3 different people. I am French, so our rules for punctuations are different. In French, you would not need a comma in front of the 'and/et'. Do you need a comma in front of the 'and' in your sentence in English? Bring Bob, a DJ, and a clown. As the 'and' is kind of a comma already Is that too deep for a Saturday night lol Without the comma it could be read as the DJ is also a clown. " Ah yes, Merci, I see it now, after 20 years in the UK I still learn everyday | |||
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"I use it for clarity, especially if my sentence construction is a bit complex and long. However most of the time I look for opportunities to reduce the complexity after initial drafting." | |||
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"I use it for clarity, especially if my sentence construction is a bit complex and long. However most of the time I look for opportunities to reduce the complexity after initial drafting. " Oooh, a grammar thread and I'm too bloody tired after 22 hours awake to be arsed thinking it through. I didn't know the term "Oxford comma" though. I may come back to it tomorrow - I might even ask Bob, a DJ and a clown (all three of them ) to help me out with it | |||
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"I'm not from Oxford. Therefore no comma. It would read better if it said "bring Bob the Dj and clown"" This might imply that Bob's already there and he needs a DJ and a clown | |||
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"I'm a geek when it comes to the English language (yeah, I know - nothing women like better than a man obsessed with apostrophes). My job used to involve helping others with it. I spent years thinking you never put a comma before before "and". Looking at the guides though, it's simply not true. I don't use the Oxford Comma much, but it can definitely aid understanding. I changed to using commas all the time when "and" is used as a conjunction though, as the rule always states that the joining word should be preceded by a comma. Still feels naughty though I assume all the women reading this are horny as hell after reading that." I am. | |||
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"I'm a geek when it comes to the English language (yeah, I know - nothing women like better than a man obsessed with apostrophes). My job used to involve helping others with it. I spent years thinking you never put a comma before before "and". Looking at the guides though, it's simply not true. I don't use the Oxford Comma much, but it can definitely aid understanding. I changed to using commas all the time when "and" is used as a conjunction though, as the rule always states that the joining word should be preceded by a comma. Still feels naughty though I assume all the women reading this are horny as hell after reading that. I am." Ah fantastic. If you fancy some filthy chat about semi-colons, I'm your man. You'll be soaked in no time | |||
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"Punctuation kills: Let's eat, grandma.... Or Let's eat Grandma! Don't you just love the English language. " Definitely | |||
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"Please bring the following items: 1) Bob 2) DJ 3) Clown" I'd reword the sentence to clarify. | |||
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"I was taught not to put the comma in front of the word and, so it is three different people " I was taught that too - but all the guides I've ever read say it's fine. There'd be a real inconsistency with conjunctions if you couldn't, because both elements of the comma+ conjunction structure is a very important for joining sentences. I reckon that last sentence has pushed Lickety into ecstasy. | |||
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" For those who don't know, the same sentence would look like this, with the Oxford comma.... Bring Bob, a DJ, and a clown. " Technically even this could be ambiguous. The commas may simply be parenthesising 'a DJ', so it could still be either one or two people: Bring Bob (a DJ) and a clown or Bring Bob, who is a DJ and a clown. If you want three, try: Please bring the following three people: Bob, a DJ and a clown. (Could use a ';' instead of the ',' if you prefer. Or did you want a Dinner Jacket? Either way I'd suggest any lady mailing that request is probably a little too kinky and demanding for us, I suggest you block and move on Mr ddc | |||
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"no comma required when the word and is in place - " See I grew up thinking that, but the books tell you that if you have two complete sentences and you want to join them (as opposed to using a full stop or semi-colon), the proper way is to use a conjunction ("and" being one option) AND a comma. I'm getting way to into this now | |||
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"no comma required when the word and is in place - See I grew up thinking that, but the books tell you that if you have two complete sentences and you want to join them (as opposed to using a full stop or semi-colon), the proper way is to use a conjunction ("and" being one option) AND a comma. I'm getting way to into this now " Keep going! A few more and I'll be there. | |||
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"'Who gives a fuck about an oxford comma' " I've seen those English dramas too - They're cruel | |||
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"no comma required when the word and is in place - See I grew up thinking that, but the books tell you that if you have two complete sentences and you want to join them (as opposed to using a full stop or semi-colon), the proper way is to use a conjunction ("and" being one option) AND a comma. I'm getting way to into this now " really want to ask my daughter as she is doing an english degree in language and literature - cant show her this lot though | |||
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"no comma required when the word and is in place - See I grew up thinking that, but the books tell you that if you have two complete sentences and you want to join them (as opposed to using a full stop or semi-colon), the proper way is to use a conjunction ("and" being one option) AND a comma. I'm getting way to into this now really want to ask my daughter as she is doing an english degree in language and literature - cant show her this lot though " Show her the Ted Talks link or just ask what she knows about the Oxford Comma. For me, please, can you ask her if she knows about punctuation kung fu too? | |||
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"Whilst people get uptight about grammar, punctuation etc, getting it right provides clarity. Many a message has been misinterpreted as a result. I would meet a lady willing to help her Uncle Jack off a horse. I would be less willing to meet a lady willing to help her uncle jack off a horse. Not a Nazi, I just appreciate plain English." Spot the deliberate error? | |||
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"Whilst people get uptight about grammar, punctuation etc, getting it right provides clarity. Many a message has been misinterpreted as a result. I would meet a lady willing to help her Uncle Jack off a horse. I would be less willing to meet a lady willing to help her uncle jack off a horse. Not a Nazi, I just appreciate plain English. Spot the deliberate error? " bestiality being illegal? | |||
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"Whilst people get uptight about grammar, punctuation etc, getting it right provides clarity. Many a message has been misinterpreted as a result. I would meet a lady willing to help her Uncle Jack off a horse. I would be less willing to meet a lady willing to help her uncle jack off a horse. Not a Nazi, I just appreciate plain English. Spot the deliberate error? bestiality being illegal? " They could be working on a Stud Farm and collecting a sample? | |||
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"Calling all Grammar Nazis, where are you on this? If you got a text message saying, "Bring Bob, a DJ and a clown". Would you think that Bob is multi-talented or would you think that it's 3 different people? For those who don't know, the same sentence would look like this, with the Oxford comma.... Bring Bob, a DJ, and a clown. Here's the video from TED ED, http://youtu.be/ptM7FzyjtRk I would think 3 different people. I am French, so our rules for punctuations are different. In French, you would not need a comma in front of the 'and/et'. Do you need a comma in front of the 'and' in your sentence in English? Bring Bob, a DJ, and a clown. As the 'and' is kind of a comma already Is that too deep for a Saturday night lol " I agree with this viewpoint, no comma if and is used. | |||
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"I was always taught not to use one, but I do sometimes if I think it'll enhance the understanding of the sentence. Exactly. Punctuation should aid meaning and nothing else. It's not really that big a deal to use terms like 'Nazis' for those who want to take a little pride in how they write. " I agree with the above but in this particular cade I think the comma IS neede to emphasise the separateness of the clown and DJ as it forces a break in the flow of readingor speaking the sentence | |||
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"Calling all Grammar Nazis, where are you on this? If you got a text message saying, "Bring Bob, a DJ and a clown". Would you think that Bob is multi-talented or would you think that it's 3 different people? For those who don't know, the same sentence would look like this, with the Oxford comma.... Bring Bob, a DJ, and a clown. Here's the video from TED ED, http://youtu.be/ptM7FzyjtRk" Personally, I tend to not use it before the word and as it's almost fulfilling the comma purpose anyhoo. Not all the time however. | |||
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"no comma required when the word and is in place - See I grew up thinking that, but the books tell you that if you have two complete sentences and you want to join them (as opposed to using a full stop or semi-colon), the proper way is to use a conjunction ("and" being one option) AND a comma. I'm getting way to into this now really want to ask my daughter as she is doing an english degree in language and literature - cant show her this lot though Show her the Ted Talks link or just ask what she knows about the Oxford Comma. For me, please, can you ask her if she knows about punctuation kung fu too? " i texted her about the comma - and she asked me if i was d*unk haha - she says dont stress over it - i asked her if she uses it - she says subconciously occasionally - she also says only really if its to be read out as she has used it in script writing but it should be unnecessary - so from someone heading for a good 2:1 of hopefully a first in her english degree i shall just be happy that i have learnt something new today | |||
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"We were taught to use a comma as a place to take a breath. I tend to use commas a lot,unless I'm in a lazy mood or tired. " I learnt it was to take a breath, but it's not right. That way lies utter, utter madness. I spent 15 years in a job where I supported students with their English and checked their work. The idea that it was a breath was the most common reason why they'd spray commas around and create comma splices everywhere. I loathe the comma splice - it's the work of the devil. There are actually different types of commas e.g. gapping commas, joining commas etc. Each has a very specific function and set circumstances in which they are used. Taking a breath is far too vague. Licketysplits - I assume you're gushing like a Yellowstone geyser after reading that | |||
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"We were taught to use a comma as a place to take a breath. I tend to use commas a lot,unless I'm in a lazy mood or tired. I learnt it was to take a breath, but it's not right. That way lies utter, utter madness. I spent 15 years in a job where I supported students with their English and checked their work. The idea that it was a breath was the most common reason why they'd spray commas around and create comma splices everywhere. I loathe the comma splice - it's the work of the devil. There are actually different types of commas e.g. gapping commas, joining commas etc. Each has a very specific function and set circumstances in which they are used. Taking a breath is far too vague. Licketysplits - I assume you're gushing like a Yellowstone geyser after reading that " Gapping comma did it. | |||
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"We were taught to use a comma as a place to take a breath. I tend to use commas a lot,unless I'm in a lazy mood or tired. I learnt it was to take a breath, but it's not right. That way lies utter, utter madness. I spent 15 years in a job where I supported students with their English and checked their work. The idea that it was a breath was the most common reason why they'd spray commas around and create comma splices everywhere. I loathe the comma splice - it's the work of the devil. There are actually different types of commas e.g. gapping commas, joining commas etc. Each has a very specific function and set circumstances in which they are used. Taking a breath is far too vague. Licketysplits - I assume you're gushing like a Yellowstone geyser after reading that " If it were to take a breath neither the French nor some of my more voluble relatives would ever use one. | |||
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"Calling all Grammar Nazis, where are you on this? If you got a text message saying, "Bring Bob, a DJ and a clown". Would you think that Bob is multi-talented or would you think that it's 3 different people? For those who don't know, the same sentence would look like this, with the Oxford comma.... Bring Bob, a DJ, and a clown. Here's the video from TED ED, http://youtu.be/ptM7FzyjtRk" I'd say it's 3 people. If I was saying Bob was a DJ and a clown I'd probably write 'bring Bob; a dj and a clown' although that's probably wrong | |||
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"Would it not be better to write: Bring Bob, a DJ and a clown." to request all three - Or "Bring Bob; a DJ and a clown." to suggest Bob's talents? The word "and" usually implies a pause, so a comma is rarely needed in addition. " This! Who says that Oxford or the Queen, for that matter, are correct anyway? | |||
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"We were taught to use a comma as a place to take a breath. I tend to use commas a lot,unless I'm in a lazy mood or tired. I learnt it was to take a breath, but it's not right. That way lies utter, utter madness. I spent 15 years in a job where I supported students with their English and checked their work. The idea that it was a breath was the most common reason why they'd spray commas around and create comma splices everywhere. I loathe the comma splice - it's the work of the devil. There are actually different types of commas e.g. gapping commas, joining commas etc. Each has a very specific function and set circumstances in which they are used. Taking a breath is far too vague. Licketysplits - I assume you're gushing like a Yellowstone geyser after reading that Gapping comma did it. " | |||
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"We were taught to use a comma as a place to take a breath. I tend to use commas a lot,unless I'm in a lazy mood or tired. " That tends to be how I use them, though when sending dirty messages I tend to capitalise my commas to denote more heavy breaths... Mr ddc | |||
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"One could always argue that these should be semi-colons." my thoughts too - or a completely new separate sentence | |||
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"One could always argue that these should be semi-colons. my thoughts too - or a completely new separate sentence " Take it up with OUP. | |||
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"Never use the Oxford comma as it seems wholly redundant to me. As for your initial point I would use a hyphen if I wanted to show Bob was multi talented: Bob - a DJ and clown - ..... Otherwise three different people: Bob, a DJ and clown....." This is right. Basically the Oxford comma can be replaced by more accurate punctuation. Bring Bob. A DJ and a clown. Pretty clear Bring Bob - a DJ and a clown Clear again We reckon the Oxford comma is only used for deliberate ambiguity, basically when the person asking for Bob, a Dj and the clown doesn't really mind what they get so happily asks for everything | |||
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"Calling all Grammar Nazis, where are you on this? If you got a text message saying, "Bring Bob, a DJ and a clown". Would you think that Bob is multi-talented or would you think that it's 3 different people? For those who don't know, the same sentence would look like this, with the Oxford comma.... Bring Bob, a DJ, and a clown. Here's the video from TED ED, http://youtu.be/ptM7FzyjtRk" as a professional editor - the first way is 3 people - the second (as it's wrapped in commas) is indicating his profession - don't you just hate a smart arse | |||
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"Would it not be better to write: Bring Bob, a DJ and a clown." to request all three - Or "Bring Bob; a DJ and a clown." to suggest Bob's talents? The word "and" usually implies a pause, so a comma is rarely needed in addition. " | |||
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"It is incorrect grammar to have a comma before "and" in any kind of list. The first comma States it is 3 separate people. Bring Bob; a DJ and a clown would be the correct way to indicate that Bob is multi tasking. The "Oxford" comma is just bad grammar. Being from South of Watford though I, as a northerner, would not be surprised at that." Being from South of Watford though, I as a northerner would be surprised at that. | |||
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"Calling all Grammar Nazis, where are you on this? If you got a text message saying, "Bring Bob, a DJ and a clown". Would you think that Bob is multi-talented or would you think that it's 3 different people? For those who don't know, the same sentence would look like this, with the Oxford comma.... Bring Bob, a DJ, and a clown. Here's the video from TED ED, http://youtu.be/ptM7FzyjtRk" The sentence you provided is not a proper sentence because it does not contain a definitive noun or pronoun. For the sentence to make sense, the pronoun 'you' is required. Please, will you bring: Bob; a DJ; a clown. Please, will you bring bring Bob, a clown and DJ. | |||
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"Has anyone found Bob yet? I'm still busy looking for Dave " I think he's on sky | |||
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"Has anyone found Bob yet? I'm still busy looking for Dave I think he's on sky " Too many clouds here I'm afraid. You had better try next door | |||
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