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"I wouldn't say it's good, certainly not a reflection of my experience of BDSM. However if if gets people talking about sex and people possibly trying new things then I don't think it's a bad thing. If people enjoy it, let them!" It's very good, clearly thousands of people loved it and bought it. It made her very rich. Depends on your viewpoint. | |||
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"So not popular here then? We own one of the 3 but haven't read more than a few pages. Think it is a triumph of marketing over content, wouldn't complain if my book got the same publicity. " Precisely, it's trash but there's far worse out there and the author is probably absolutely loaded now so good for her | |||
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"What I'm bored of though is people telling me it's not the 'proper' or 'real' way to do kink. I'm not sure there is a 'proper' way to do kink. Nobody told me..." there are aspects of 50 Shades that are specifically wrong. The type of rope used, the use of cable ties. ....actually pretty dangerous and liable to cut off circulation. The relationship described in the book is abusive and not respectful if Ana's right to consent. The vast majority of experienced kinky people were ppretty horrified by a lot of the goings on. but it is a fantasy, a work of fiction. I see no specific problem as long as people don't try to emulate certain aspects of it. A lot of vanilla people were inspired to try new things by those books. | |||
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" there are aspects of 50 Shades that are specifically wrong. The type of rope used, the use of cable ties. ....actually pretty dangerous and liable to cut off circulation. The relationship described in the book is abusive and not respectful if Ana's right to consent. The vast majority of experienced kinky people were ppretty horrified by a lot of the goings on. " Many thanks for the advice, however I'm a political activist for feminist and sex positive sex and consent. I understand that there wasn't consent present in the book and that's problematic. However I don't feel the need for all my wank fantasies to be completely 'right on'. I trust people to be able to tell the difference between fantasy and reality - just like video games and so forth. Also cable ties are in the advanced BDSM lesson, you've just not got there yet. More seriously - anything can be dangerous when used without care. And cable ties can be safe when used with caution. Sensible humans are capable of using them with caution. Did you know that nylon stockings are one of the most dangerous things to tie someone up with? You see they stretch when you put them on, and then shrink back smaller. And yet they're one of the most common things people suggest using to tie someone up when they're new to kink. Cable ties are - in that respect - much safer. But of course don't discount edge play either. Some of us like to actively play with risk because we're experienced enough to be able to make judgements about individual limits and safety - and we know our partners well enough to do so. Writing off one implement completely seems to lack foresight for the fact that many people are responsible human beings who actually like to play that way. | |||
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"So not popular here then? We own one of the 3 but haven't read more than a few pages. Think it is a triumph of marketing over content, wouldn't complain if my book got the same publicity. Precisely, it's trash but there's far worse out there and the author is probably absolutely loaded now so good for her " It's obviously marketing over substance otherwise the ghost writers for Razzle's letters page would all be driving Maseratis. | |||
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"the book..... god no! the film.... apparently its worse than the book!!! " There is a saying, put five editors into a room and they will come out with seven different opinions. And that's editors. | |||
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"What I'm bored of though is people telling me it's not the 'proper' or 'real' way to do kink. I'm not sure there is a 'proper' way to do kink. Nobody told me..." | |||
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"All us guys have heard you women go on and on about how good this 50 shades of grey book is ! But is it really as believable as your all making out ? There's quite a lot of facts out there to prove it isn't " It is awful even as a love story, who the hell calls their bits their " sex" when writing what was meant to be an erotic novel. | |||
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"What I'm bored of though is people telling me it's not the 'proper' or 'real' way to do kink. I'm not sure there is a 'proper' way to do kink. Nobody told me..." This for me too....people enjoy what they enjoy. | |||
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" It is awful even as a love story, who the hell calls their bits their " sex" when writing what was meant to be an erotic novel." Its an American term. | |||
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"All us guys have heard you women go on and on about how good this 50 shades of grey book is ! But is it really as believable as your all making out ? There's quite a lot of facts out there to prove it isn't " Its sold a lot so it must be for some. | |||
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"One of the worse books I have read. I carried on reading to find out what happened to him as a child. Struggled through the second book badly and read a few pages of book 3 before binning it. " I skimmed the first one as so dire, didn't want to read the others, got given the set as a booby Christmas present by some friends, went straight into my car boot stuff | |||
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"I haven't read the book but will go and see the film - hope I won't be disappointed" Been described as banal and tiresome | |||
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"Thought it was a bit of fun, if I had wanted an instruction manual I would have looked elsewhere. As for it badly written, av ceen woarse riting on the site slagging it (and what does that say). " | |||
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" there are aspects of 50 Shades that are specifically wrong. The type of rope used, the use of cable ties. ....actually pretty dangerous and liable to cut off circulation. The relationship described in the book is abusive and not respectful if Ana's right to consent. The vast majority of experienced kinky people were ppretty horrified by a lot of the goings on. Many thanks for the advice, however I'm a political activist for feminist and sex positive sex and consent. I understand that there wasn't consent present in the book and that's problematic. However I don't feel the need for all my wank fantasies to be completely 'right on'. I trust people to be able to tell the difference between fantasy and reality - just like video games and so forth. Also cable ties are in the advanced BDSM lesson, you've just not got there yet. More seriously - anything can be dangerous when used without care. And cable ties can be safe when used with caution. Sensible humans are capable of using them with caution. Did you know that nylon stockings are one of the most dangerous things to tie someone up with? You see they stretch when you put them on, and then shrink back smaller. And yet they're one of the most common things people suggest using to tie someone up when they're new to kink. Cable ties are - in that respect - much safer. But of course don't discount edge play either. Some of us like to actively play with risk because we're experienced enough to be able to make judgements about individual limits and safety - and we know our partners well enough to do so. Writing off one implement completely seems to lack foresight for the fact that many people are responsible human beings who actually like to play that way." As an experienced Dominant, who has worked as a Session Dom professionally, I found this laughable. A. Cable ties are extremely dangerous to use as a binding, and while your mention of stockings is indeed accurate, cable ties are not "advanced BDSM" at all. Anybody foolish enough to use cable ties, or allow them to be used on them is asking for major tissue damage, circulation issues and possibly loss of life or limb. Cable ties don't stretch, they can only close, not opened and will continue to close tighter with movement (as they are designed to do). B. BDSM is based on 2 "protocols" SSC and RACK (Safe/Sane/Consensual and Risk Aware Consensual Kink). Any play that is not consensual is rape, plain and simple, in both the eyes of the BDSM community as a whole and the eyes of the law. C. While this is a work of fiction (including the grammar, spelling and punctuation which are all very fictional), some allowance can be made for creative writing, but this series of "books" is portrayed, both by the author (being generous with the title there) and by the "masses" as a dip into the world of BDSM and Fet. As such it is glorifying rape and stalking. D. 'actively play with risk because we're experienced enough' - The whole point is that Ana isn't experienced enough, doesn't know her "Dom" well at all, and he clearly is deranged and has no true understanding of BDSM/Fet. If you really are part of the BDSM/Fet world you will know that aside from being horrified by the scenes depicted in these "books", many are very concerned about the number of people reading this fiction and jumping into repeating the scenes depicted with no knowledge or forethought for safety or moral issues. This has gotten so bad that B&Q are actually advising staff on how to "tactfully" handle the rush in sales of Duct tape and Cable Times in their stores in preparation for the masses of otherwise intelligent people who are swept up in the 50 Shades fiasco. | |||
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"The books where shite as I was expecting something brilliant but will still watch the film out of curiosity to be honest Xxx" He he, if 50 shades was shite and made millions, I wonder how much of what is written in the forums is worth? (Joke by the way) | |||
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"I wouldn't say it's good, certainly not a reflection of my experience of BDSM. However if if gets people talking about sex and people possibly trying new things then I don't think it's a bad thing. If people enjoy it, let them! It's very good, clearly thousands of people loved it and bought it. It made her very rich. Depends on your viewpoint. " More a love story than kinky but I liked them | |||
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"What I'm bored of though is people telling me it's not the 'proper' or 'real' way to do kink. I'm not sure there is a 'proper' way to do kink. Nobody told me..." This all day long. Sex snobbery is a lot more boring than this book can ever be. Never read it though. Not my type of read at all. | |||
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"Well I loved it (agree it was poorly written) but I seen it more as a love story with a twist and I adore that kind of thing can't wait till Saturday to watch the film " | |||
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" cable ties are not "advanced BDSM" at all. " I believe that the good poster did not understand sarcasm. | |||
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" If i remember correctly a Contract was entered into which constitutes consent would'nt that blow any Rape charge out of Court. " No. There was a case in the late 70s, early 80s in the USA where a judge declared that anyone who consented to being the submissive partner in an S&M scene was non compos mentis. Therefore sex with them cannot be consensual as they cannot give consent. (There has been a similar case in the UK.) While many judges would not use that precedent today it does mean that you are effectively risking everything every time you indulge in S&M. This is why I hope, personally, that the books and film bring some wider acceptance, so that we can enjoy S&M without any fear of being persecuted. | |||
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"I wouldn't say it's good, certainly not a reflection of my experience of BDSM. However if if gets people talking about sex and people possibly trying new things then I don't think it's a bad thing. If people enjoy it, let them! It's very good, clearly thousands of people loved it and bought it. It made her very rich. Depends on your viewpoint. " I think, more likely, thousands bought it and either hated it or were fairly ambivalent towards it. People bought it in droves on the promise of something erotic. It wasn't. Luckily it was dirt cheap in paperback form. It read like a Barbara Cartland crossed with Jilly Cooper. Hardy erotic. Barely saucy, and spectacularly uninformed. | |||
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" there are aspects of 50 Shades that are specifically wrong. The type of rope used, the use of cable ties. ....actually pretty dangerous and liable to cut off circulation. The relationship described in the book is abusive and not respectful if Ana's right to consent. The vast majority of experienced kinky people were ppretty horrified by a lot of the goings on. Many thanks for the advice, however I'm a political activist for feminist and sex positive sex and consent. I understand that there wasn't consent present in the book and that's problematic. However I don't feel the need for all my wank fantasies to be completely 'right on'. I trust people to be able to tell the difference between fantasy and reality - just like video games and so forth. Also cable ties are in the advanced BDSM lesson, you've just not got there yet. More seriously - anything can be dangerous when used without care. And cable ties can be safe when used with caution. Sensible humans are capable of using them with caution. Did you know that nylon stockings are one of the most dangerous things to tie someone up with? You see they stretch when you put them on, and then shrink back smaller. And yet they're one of the most common things people suggest using to tie someone up when they're new to kink. Cable ties are - in that respect - much safer. But of course don't discount edge play either. Some of us like to actively play with risk because we're experienced enough to be able to make judgements about individual limits and safety - and we know our partners well enough to do so. Writing off one implement completely seems to lack foresight for the fact that many people are responsible human beings who actually like to play that way." Cable ties are not that bad. They can't be. Even the police use them! | |||
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"What I'm bored of though is people telling me it's not the 'proper' or 'real' way to do kink. I'm not sure there is a 'proper' way to do kink. Nobody told me... " Oh there is! Come and see me after class! | |||
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"All the people slagging the film off.... do you know what the word 'fiction' means? Do you bitch and moan about horror movies not being true to life? Saw.... people watched that film and managed not to go out copying the film. " Oh dear. I think I might have committed.... A bit of a faux pas. | |||
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"People bought it in droves on the promise of something erotic. It wasn't." I found it pretty erotic. But then I enjoy inflicting and receiving emotional masochism. Also the sex scenes were pretty hot. | |||
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"People bought it in droves on the promise of something erotic. It wasn't. I found it pretty erotic. But then I enjoy inflicting and receiving emotional masochism. Also the sex scenes were pretty hot." Personally, I found it not erotic from a bdsm perspective nor a vanilla one. The awful writing put me off! Now I've read plenty of pulp fiction porn, and it just didn't measure up to some of the dimebook novellas I've read. If it got you off, fair play to you! I barely managed "half a teacake" myself. I like my porn literature, a little....stronger! A jaded pallette? Perhaps! I think some of the most erotic things I have read have been in Nancy Fridays books. I think just knowing that those fantasies were real men and womens gave those books a real wow factor, especially considering the era they came out in. Thank god for ebooks, now more stern looks from the librarian! | |||
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"Four guys have been going on the same fishing trip for many years. a few days before the groups annual departure date, jones wife puts her foot down and tells him he isn't going. jones fishing buddies are very upset that he can't go,but what can they do? 2 days later the three get to the camping site to find john sitting there with his tent setup, firewood gathered, and dinner cooking on the fire, drinking cold beer. "Hey John, how long you been here, and how did you take your missus into letting you go?" "well i've been here since last night. Yesterday evening, i was sitting in my recliner when my wife came up behind me, put her hands over my eyes, and asked, "Guess who?''' I pulled her hands off, and there she was, wearing a nightie. She took my hand and pulled me into the bedroom, where she'd lit candles and put rose patels all over the place. well, she's been reading '50 Shades of Grey'..... On the bed she had handcuffs, and ropes! She told me to tie her up and cuff her to the bed, so i did. And then she said, 'Do whatever you want.' So, boys, here I am! " | |||
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"I read all 3 books and thoroughly enjoyed them! It did bring something different to the bedroom too as reading 50sog lead us somehow into the swinging lifestyle as it made us both a lot more experimental and uptight! No it may not be realistic in regards to kinky-fuckery and may not be the greatest Literature But people clearly enjoy it! And all the people who are slagging off those who read and enjoyed it as being 'neglected housewives and not getting enough' Maybe, just maybe.. Their individuals who can like whatever the hell they want without being looked down upon! " Sooooo many professional swingers and professional BDSM experts on here looking down on other people. Seriously pathetic. | |||
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"I dont read novels..and I'm unlikely to see the film. might watch it with a fem pal..if it has her wet..thats fine..she can read/watch..as I lick/fuck" Maybe wait for it to come out on dvd then I read the books, didn't find them erotic, found the writing childlike and annoying - lack of punctuation and the like. I'm going to see the film with 2 of my best female friends as a charity event - cannot be fussed about the film, but will support the charity and have a girlie evening. They both think its erotic, and as a submissive female - I think it laughable from my point of view, but hey if it works for you, who is to knock your preference? | |||
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"I dont read novels..and I'm unlikely to see the film. might watch it with a fem pal..if it has her wet..thats fine..she can read/watch..as I lick/fuck Maybe wait for it to come out on dvd then I read the books, didn't find them erotic, found the writing childlike and annoying - lack of punctuation and the like. I'm going to see the film with 2 of my best female friends as a charity event - cannot be fussed about the film, but will support the charity and have a girlie evening. They both think its erotic, and as a submissive female - I think it laughable from my point of view, but hey if it works for you, who is to knock your preference?" I'll come lick/fuck even if you're watching footie | |||
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"I read all 3 books and thoroughly enjoyed them! It did bring something different to the bedroom too as reading 50sog lead us somehow into the swinging lifestyle as it made us both a lot more experimental and uptight! No it may not be realistic in regards to kinky-fuckery and may not be the greatest Literature But people clearly enjoy it! And all the people who are slagging off those who read and enjoyed it as being 'neglected housewives and not getting enough' Maybe, just maybe.. Their individuals who can like whatever the hell they want without being looked down upon! Sooooo many professional swingers and professional BDSM experts on here looking down on other people. Seriously pathetic. " Totally agree with you | |||
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"People bought it in droves on the promise of something erotic. It wasn't. I found it pretty erotic. But then I enjoy inflicting and receiving emotional masochism. Also the sex scenes were pretty hot. Personally, I found it not erotic from a bdsm perspective nor a vanilla one. The awful writing put me off! Now I've read plenty of pulp fiction porn, and it just didn't measure up to some of the dimebook novellas I've read. If it got you off, fair play to you! I barely managed "half a teacake" myself. I like my porn literature, a little....stronger! A jaded pallette? Perhaps! I think some of the most erotic things I have read have been in Nancy Fridays books. I think just knowing that those fantasies were real men and womens gave those books a real wow factor, especially considering the era they came out in. Thank god for ebooks, now more stern looks from the librarian!" I read everything from hardcore porn about people having their tits nailed to a bench and people being kept as ponies and cows, to 50 Shades of Grey. I'd feel sad if I could no longer get off to the lighter stuff. In fact I'd be worried. | |||
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"People bought it in droves on the promise of something erotic. It wasn't. I found it pretty erotic. But then I enjoy inflicting and receiving emotional masochism. Also the sex scenes were pretty hot. Personally, I found it not erotic from a bdsm perspective nor a vanilla one. The awful writing put me off! Now I've read plenty of pulp fiction porn, and it just didn't measure up to some of the dimebook novellas I've read. If it got you off, fair play to you! I barely managed "half a teacake" myself. I like my porn literature, a little....stronger! A jaded pallette? Perhaps! I think some of the most erotic things I have read have been in Nancy Fridays books. I think just knowing that those fantasies were real men and womens gave those books a real wow factor, especially considering the era they came out in. Thank god for ebooks, now more stern looks from the librarian! I read everything from hardcore porn about people having their tits nailed to a bench and people being kept as ponies and cows, to 50 Shades of Grey. I'd feel sad if I could no longer get off to the lighter stuff. In fact I'd be worried." I still get off on the lighter stuff, but it has to be written well for me to enjoy it. Bad writing just spoils it for me. 50 shades is just not written in a style that helps to get me off. I have sat on the bus reading erotic sections in Will Self's books and found myself trying to hide an erection. It used to be the vibrations of the bus that did it. I think that's why I always used to carry a newspaper! | |||
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"Four guys have been going on the same fishing trip for many years. a few days before the groups annual departure date, jones wife puts her foot down and tells him he isn't going. jones fishing buddies are very upset that he can't go,but what can they do? 2 days later the three get to the camping site to find john sitting there with his tent setup, firewood gathered, and dinner cooking on the fire, drinking cold beer. "Hey John, how long you been here, and how did you take your missus into letting you go?" "well i've been here since last night. Yesterday evening, i was sitting in my recliner when my wife came up behind me, put her hands over my eyes, and asked, "Guess who?''' I pulled her hands off, and there she was, wearing a nightie. She took my hand and pulled me into the bedroom, where she'd lit candles and put rose patels all over the place. well, she's been reading '50 Shades of Grey'..... On the bed she had handcuffs, and ropes! She told me to tie her up and cuff her to the bed, so i did. And then she said, 'Do whatever you want.' So, boys, here I am! " | |||
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