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"I just watched 'Muyiny on the buses'. I thought your thread was about buses! "Im sure i saw you being eaten by a Lion in the Safari Park 
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"The six nations is a once a year tournament, not a European league, it's fine the way it is! " with some of the current teams in the compitition having little chance of doing much more than the same old result then its about time the comtitition was opened up to other countrys , the status que isnt always the answere | |||
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"I just watched 'Muyiny on the buses'. I thought your thread was about buses! "thinking the same. i lov a nice volvo B12 ..  | |||
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"I just watched 'Muyiny on the buses'. I thought your thread was about buses!
thinking the same. i lov a nice volvo B12 .. "I made my teenager watch all of the On the Buses movies. I actually think the films are of huge sociological importance. They represent an attitude and ethos of a time not long ago when sexism, misogyny and class stereotype were prevalent. That the sleazy, tobacco stained toothed conductor was used as a lothario character and attractive to young ladies was it seems symptomatic of the problems we are facing today with operation yew tree. And the birds in it had really nice tits. | |||
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"The six nations is a once a year tournament, not a European league, it's fine the way it is! with some of the current teams in the compitition having little chance of doing much more than the same old result then its about time the comtitition was opened up to other countrys , the status que isnt always the answere "I still don't think it should be a European league. Make it any longer of a commitment from international players and the club's won't be happy having to release their international players more than they have to already. Especially in years like this when we have the six nations, the world cup and the autumn internationals. The six nations wasn't always the six nations, so it's not always been the status quo. What other countries would you invite to join them that would seriously shake up the competition? International rugby is great but club rugby is where the talent development happens. | |||
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"By which I mean going for the foreign coach is a short cut, it doesn't solve any of the barriers home grown talent have." Why is it a short cut? | |||
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"The six nations is a once a year tournament, not a European league, it's fine the way it is! with some of the current teams in the compitition having little chance of doing much more than the same old result then its about time the comtitition was opened up to other countrys , the status que isnt always the answere
I still don't think it should be a European league. Make it any longer of a commitment from international players and the club's won't be happy having to release their international players more than they have to already. Especially in years like this when we have the six nations, the world cup and the autumn internationals.
The six nations wasn't always the six nations, so it's not always been the status quo. What other countries would you invite to join them that would seriously shake up the competition?
International rugby is great but club rugby is where the talent development happens. "
This. Club rugby is the lifeblood of the game. Rarely get to attend an International but I'm a season ticket holder at Sale.
PS - hurry up back to the Prem Worcester, we've missed you. Don't want to see Bristol buy their way into the top flight. | |||
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"The length of the competition wouldn't need to be extended. Next year the 6 nations happens at the same time as planned with the existing countries in it, at the same time the second tier nations play, Romania Russia geargia ect, at the end the bottom 2 from the top tier nations get the boot and it's promotion for the top 2 from theLower nations" Oh, ok. That makes about more sense I guess but again the impact on club rugby would need to be assessed. I'm not sure where the majority of players from places like Russia or Georgia play but I'm guessing taking them out for the tournament would have an impact too. | |||
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"The six nations is a once a year tournament, not a European league, it's fine the way it is! with some of the current teams in the compitition having little chance of doing much more than the same old result then its about time the comtitition was opened up to other countrys , the status que isnt always the answere
I still don't think it should be a European league. Make it any longer of a commitment from international players and the club's won't be happy having to release their international players more than they have to already. Especially in years like this when we have the six nations, the world cup and the autumn internationals.
The six nations wasn't always the six nations, so it's not always been the status quo. What other countries would you invite to join them that would seriously shake up the competition?
International rugby is great but club rugby is where the talent development happens.
This. Club rugby is the lifeblood of the game. Rarely get to attend an International but I'm a season ticket holder at Sale.
PS - hurry up back to the Prem Worcester, we've missed you. Don't want to see Bristol buy their way into the top flight."We're trying!! Although I wonder if a prolonged stay in the championship might do us good. Been a bit of a yoyo team recently. | |||
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"The six nations is a once a year tournament, not a European league, it's fine the way it is! with some of the current teams in the compitition having little chance of doing much more than the same old result then its about time the comtitition was opened up to other countrys , the status que isnt always the answere "Which other European nations are you thinking of? | |||
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"now that the beer haze has lifted i watched the 6 nations games again . what i saw just confirmed what i have been thinking for a while that foreign coaches are not what they are cracked up to be . Ireland under Shmidt managed to grind out a very un impressive game against italy , wales under gatland could only think of kicking away any possession they had , not the best way to go about winning a grand slam . the scots have gone and got another foreign coach - cotter - i think that makes 4 of them in the modern era , cotter johnson robinson and williams and yet again its the same old story i think in the 75 or 76 games of the 6 nations the scots have only managed 11 wins. Italy with even more foreign coaches than the scots - Johnson kirwan berbizier mallet brunel , cant remember if thats them all , there might be more of them but lost count after a while , they have only managed to win 11 games if i remember right. I think that all the foreign coaches should be cleared out and only home talent should be used as head coach , the same should be for the players , all the samoans and tonfans and figians and kiwi's and aussies and south africans should be sent back to their home unuins , this should free up places for the home unions to bring on their own talent , it might level the playing field a bit thereby giving the countrys that dont win much a chance at a bit of silverware. The 6 nations should be radicaly restructured , set it up so that the rest of the european rugby playing nations get in , a first and second division if you like with the bottom 2 teams from the top legue getting relegated and the top 2 teams from the legue below getting promoted, this might force a bit more meaningful opposition into the compatition. "A ridiculous post. Ireland are the reigning 6 nations champs largely because of schmidts excellence last year and scotland are a much more cohesive side under cotter. What the hell have you been watching???  | |||
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"now that the beer haze has lifted i watched the 6 nations games again . what i saw just confirmed what i have been thinking for a while that foreign coaches are not what they are cracked up to be . Ireland under Shmidt managed to grind out a very un impressive game against italy , wales under gatland could only think of kicking away any possession they had , not the best way to go about winning a grand slam . the scots have gone and got another foreign coach - cotter - i think that makes 4 of them in the modern era , cotter johnson robinson and williams and yet again its the same old story i think in the 75 or 76 games of the 6 nations the scots have only managed 11 wins. Italy with even more foreign coaches than the scots - Johnson kirwan berbizier mallet brunel , cant remember if thats them all , there might be more of them but lost count after a while , they have only managed to win 11 games if i remember right. I think that all the foreign coaches should be cleared out and only home talent should be used as head coach , the same should be for the players , all the samoans and tonfans and figians and kiwi's and aussies and south africans should be sent back to their home unuins , this should free up places for the home unions to bring on their own talent , it might level the playing field a bit thereby giving the countrys that dont win much a chance at a bit of silverware. The 6 nations should be radicaly restructured , set it up so that the rest of the european rugby playing nations get in , a first and second division if you like with the bottom 2 teams from the top legue getting relegated and the top 2 teams from the legue below getting promoted, this might force a bit more meaningful opposition into the compatition.
A ridiculous post. Ireland are the reigning 6 nations champs largely because of schmidts excellence last year and scotland are a much more cohesive side under cotter. What the hell have you been watching??? "This!! | |||
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"what i was watching was ireland ( 6 nations champs ) under shmidts come away with a less than impressive win over italy, if thats the game plan there wont be a back to back 6 nations nor world cup success .wales under gatland , whose sole guile and invention was to kick away all possession gained and end up not winning . italy under brunel - well not much to be said apart from same result as every year. scotland under cotter , more cohisive ? possably , winning a 6 nations opener ?sama result as every year . goes back to my origional point that i am no fan of foreign coaches" oooh... rugby coaches talk... I actually have no issue.... there are no italian coaches with the experience of brunel.. so at this stage i think they made the best decision if they want to improve (and that is to become an 80 minute team... rather than a 60 minute team and drop off the map) cotter has been playing in europe and coaching in europe for the last 15 years... did a brilliant job at turning round Clermont.. and other than gregor townsend (who i think will be the next coach after cotter goes) there aren't any coaches in that league Schmidt won 2 european cups at leinster before taking over ireland... and he know all the leinster players and most of the ireland players from playing pro 12..... so its not like his is coming in from a point of complete nievity... and gatland.... remember he coached at wasps and was also 2nd in command under henry before taking the wales job.. so again its not like he didn't know the players...... so if you think these people are not the right people.. name some coaches from those countries that at this stage would have been better choices..... | |||
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"now that the beer haze has lifted i watched the 6 nations games again . what i saw just confirmed what i have been thinking for a while that foreign coaches are not what they are cracked up to be . Ireland under Shmidt managed to grind out a very un impressive game against italy , wales under gatland could only think of kicking away any possession they had , not the best way to go about winning a grand slam . the scots have gone and got another foreign coach - cotter - i think that makes 4 of them in the modern era , cotter johnson robinson and williams and yet again its the same old story i think in the 75 or 76 games of the 6 nations the scots have only managed 11 wins. Italy with even more foreign coaches than the scots - Johnson kirwan berbizier mallet brunel , cant remember if thats them all , there might be more of them but lost count after a while , they have only managed to win 11 games if i remember right. I think that all the foreign coaches should be cleared out and only home talent should be used as head coach , the same should be for the players , all the samoans and tonfans and figians and kiwi's and aussies and south africans should be sent back to their home unuins , this should free up places for the home unions to bring on their own talent , it might level the playing field a bit thereby giving the countrys that dont win much a chance at a bit of silverware. The 6 nations should be radicaly restructured , set it up so that the rest of the european rugby playing nations get in , a first and second division if you like with the bottom 2 teams from the top legue getting relegated and the top 2 teams from the legue below getting promoted, this might force a bit more meaningful opposition into the compatition. "Remember the story of King Canute, are you employing his tactics here? As others have said, each country should have the best coach available. The 6 nations is a wonderful competition and a great product. Why diminish the quality? | |||
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"now that the beer haze has lifted i watched the 6 nations games again . what i saw just confirmed what i have been thinking for a while that foreign coaches are not what they are cracked up to be . Ireland under Shmidt managed to grind out a very un impressive game against italy , wales under gatland could only think of kicking away any possession they had , not the best way to go about winning a grand slam . the scots have gone and got another foreign coach - cotter - i think that makes 4 of them in the modern era , cotter johnson robinson and williams and yet again its the same old story i think in the 75 or 76 games of the 6 nations the scots have only managed 11 wins. Italy with even more foreign coaches than the scots - Johnson kirwan berbizier mallet brunel , cant remember if thats them all , there might be more of them but lost count after a while , they have only managed to win 11 games if i remember right. I think that all the foreign coaches should be cleared out and only home talent should be used as head coach , the same should be for the players , all the samoans and tonfans and figians and kiwi's and aussies and south africans should be sent back to their home unuins , this should free up places for the home unions to bring on their own talent , it might level the playing field a bit thereby giving the countrys that dont win much a chance at a bit of silverware. The 6 nations should be radicaly restructured , set it up so that the rest of the european rugby playing nations get in , a first and second division if you like with the bottom 2 teams from the top legue getting relegated and the top 2 teams from the legue below getting promoted, this might force a bit more meaningful opposition into the compatition.
Remember the story of King Canute, are you employing his tactics here?
As others have said, each country should have the best coach available. The 6 nations is a wonderful competition and a great product. Why diminish the quality? "not sure about king canute , never saw him play, but if the 6 nations is a wonderful compitiotion at the moment i think that with a two tier compitition opened up to other northen hemisphere countrys there would be alot more bite to the games having the prospect of being relegated if your country finnishes in the bottem two slots , and will do wonders for the game as a whole in the northen hemisphere opening up the prospect of first class compitition to more than just an elite clique of 6 countrys , it has done wonders for italy , why not the rest of the northen rugby playing countrys | |||
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"what i was watching was ireland ( 6 nations champs ) under shmidts come away with a less than impressive win over italy, if thats the game plan there wont be a back to back 6 nations nor world cup success .wales under gatland , whose sole guile and invention was to kick away all possession gained and end up not winning . italy under brunel - well not much to be said apart from same result as every year. scotland under cotter , more cohisive ? possably , winning a 6 nations opener ?sama result as every year . goes back to my origional point that i am no fan of foreign coaches" So youre now going to make sweeping statements based on the 1st game of the championship and ignore a multitude of recent evidence to the contrary?? You only have to look back to the autumn series to see how wide of the mark u are | |||
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"what i was watching was ireland ( 6 nations champs ) under shmidts come away with a less than impressive win over italy, if thats the game plan there wont be a back to back 6 nations nor world cup success .wales under gatland , whose sole guile and invention was to kick away all possession gained and end up not winning . italy under brunel - well not much to be said apart from same result as every year. scotland under cotter , more cohisive ? possably , winning a 6 nations opener ?sama result as every year . goes back to my origional point that i am no fan of foreign coaches oooh... rugby coaches talk... I actually have no issue.... there are no italian coaches with the experience of brunel.. so at this stage i think they made the best decision if they want to improve (and that is to become an 80 minute team... rather than a 60 minute team and drop off the map) cotter has been playing in europe and coaching in europe for the last 15 years... did a brilliant job at turning round Clermont.. and other than gregor townsend (who i think will be the next coach after cotter goes) there aren't any coaches in that league Schmidt won 2 european cups at leinster before taking over ireland... and he know all the leinster players and most of the ireland players from playing pro 12..... so its not like his is coming in from a point of complete nievity... and gatland.... remember he coached at wasps and was also 2nd in command under henry before taking the wales job.. so again its not like he didn't know the players...... so if you think these people are not the right people.. name some coaches from those countries that at this stage would have been better choices....." yes indeed , gatland et al have all done wonders in the past and i am sure that with enough foreign coaches italy will eventualy win something , but that is the point - foreign coaches , the 6 nations had been running long enough now for the home nations that rely heavily on bought in foregn talent to have set in place the means to have their own talent at the top of the tree , if foreign bought is the sum total of their ambition then buy it in but only as an assistant to the top man which shouls be from the respective countrys. | |||
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"what i was watching was ireland ( 6 nations champs ) under shmidts come away with a less than impressive win over italy, if thats the game plan there wont be a back to back 6 nations nor world cup success .wales under gatland , whose sole guile and invention was to kick away all possession gained and end up not winning . italy under brunel - well not much to be said apart from same result as every year. scotland under cotter , more cohisive ? possably , winning a 6 nations opener ?sama result as every year . goes back to my origional point that i am no fan of foreign coaches So youre now going to make sweeping statements based on the 1st game of the championship and ignore a multitude of recent evidence to the contrary?? You only have to look back to the autumn series to see how wide of the mark u are" dont look back to what has happened , look forward to what will be , not one of the home unions that are presently coached by outside talent will win the grand slam nor the world up , its as simple as that | |||
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"I recall Jamie Carragher being asked about foreign national coaches and his reply was perfect. International sport is about the best of one country taking on the best of another country. That should extend to the coaching staff. Simple but effective." never new of that quote but it has hit the point far better than my limited writing abilities could do | |||
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"what i was watching was ireland ( 6 nations champs ) under shmidts come away with a less than impressive win over italy, if thats the game plan there wont be a back to back 6 nations nor world cup success .wales under gatland , whose sole guile and invention was to kick away all possession gained and end up not winning . italy under brunel - well not much to be said apart from same result as every year. scotland under cotter , more cohisive ? possably , winning a 6 nations opener ?sama result as every year . goes back to my origional point that i am no fan of foreign coaches So youre now going to make sweeping statements based on the 1st game of the championship and ignore a multitude of recent evidence to the contrary?? You only have to look back to the autumn series to see how wide of the mark u are dont look back to what has happened , look forward to what will be , not one of the home unions that are presently coached by outside talent will win the grand slam nor the world up , its as simple as that "Youre basing that on 1 round of matches and ignoring very recent and relevant contrary evidence!! | |||
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"what i was watching was ireland ( 6 nations champs ) under shmidts come away with a less than impressive win over italy, if thats the game plan there wont be a back to back 6 nations nor world cup success .wales under gatland , whose sole guile and invention was to kick away all possession gained and end up not winning . italy under brunel - well not much to be said apart from same result as every year. scotland under cotter , more cohisive ? possably , winning a 6 nations opener ?sama result as every year . goes back to my origional point that i am no fan of foreign coaches So youre now going to make sweeping statements based on the 1st game of the championship and ignore a multitude of recent evidence to the contrary?? You only have to look back to the autumn series to see how wide of the mark u are dont look back to what has happened , look forward to what will be , not one of the home unions that are presently coached by outside talent will win the grand slam nor the world up , its as simple as that
Youre basing that on 1 round of matches and ignoring very recent and relevant contrary evidence!!"watch this coming weekend , england v italy , it wont entertain but it will be a win for us. ireland might grind out a win v france but its not a dead cert by any means , scotland v wales , well as both teams have already lost then the grand slam is already in the shit can for them | |||
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" yes indeed , gatland et al have all done wonders in the past and i am sure that with enough foreign coaches italy will eventualy win something , but that is the point - foreign coaches , the 6 nations had been running long enough now for the home nations that rely heavily on bought in foregn talent to have set in place the means to have their own talent at the top of the tree , if foreign bought is the sum total of their ambition then buy it in but only as an assistant to the top man which shouls be from the respective countrys." interesting you should say that... the same thing could then be levelled at australia and new zealand, after all they bring in players that could be playing for tonga, samoa and western samoa..... and the same with japan.... in fact the only country that doesn't really do it is south africa... they are pure in your eyes.... everyone else... guilty as sin.... and you didn't answer my question... name an italian coach, and a welsh coach, that would be as good as what they have now..... and a scottish coach (townsend has only been coach of glasgow for a year, he is not experienced enough at this stage) | |||
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" yes indeed , gatland et al have all done wonders in the past and i am sure that with enough foreign coaches italy will eventualy win something , but that is the point - foreign coaches , the 6 nations had been running long enough now for the home nations that rely heavily on bought in foregn talent to have set in place the means to have their own talent at the top of the tree , if foreign bought is the sum total of their ambition then buy it in but only as an assistant to the top man which shouls be from the respective countrys. interesting you should say that... the same thing could then be levelled at australia and new zealand, after all they bring in players that could be playing for tonga, samoa and western samoa..... and the same with japan.... in fact the only country that doesn't really do it is south africa... they are pure in your eyes.... everyone else... guilty as sin.... and you didn't answer my question... name an italian coach, and a welsh coach, that would be as good as what they have now..... and a scottish coach (townsend has only been coach of glasgow for a year, he is not experienced enough at this stage)" the southern hemisphere shoe horning every man jack who can play a bit into there teams is a well known fact , is it right ? not by a country mile . there is a quote from further up this thread , never heard of it til today but i do think it it bang on the money I recall Jamie Carragher being asked about foreign national coaches and his reply was perfect. International sport is about the best of one country taking on the best of another country. That should extend to the coaching staff. Simple but effective. as to home grown talent , as i said , the 6 nations has been going long enough for the home nations that have become addicted to buying off the shelf to get their act together , if outside lads is all that they desire then they should be restricted to supporting roles | |||
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" the southern hemisphere shoe horning every man jack who can play a bit into there teams is a well known fact , is it right ? not by a country mile . there is a quote from further up this thread , never heard of it til today but i do think it it bang on the money I recall Jamie Carragher being asked about foreign national coaches and his reply was perfect. International sport is about the best of one country taking on the best of another country. That should extend to the coaching staff. Simple but effective. as to home grown talent , as i said , the 6 nations has been going long enough for the home nations that have become addicted to buying off the shelf to get their act together , if outside lads is all that they desire then they should be restricted to supporting roles " see you say that.... but actually name some!!!!! so which coach would you like to coach italy instead of brunel??? the coach at zebre who hasn't won a single game in the pro 12 all season.... the coach at treviso who has won one game in the pro 12 all season, oh my the way, that was against zebre... all well and good using jamie carragher soundbites..... name actual coach who you think would be able to do the job at this level that would be better than the ones who are already in place! | |||
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" yes indeed , gatland et al have all done wonders in the past and i am sure that with enough foreign coaches italy will eventualy win something , but that is the point - foreign coaches , the 6 nations had been running long enough now for the home nations that rely heavily on bought in foregn talent to have set in place the means to have their own talent at the top of the tree , if foreign bought is the sum total of their ambition then buy it in but only as an assistant to the top man which shouls be from the respective countrys. interesting you should say that... the same thing could then be levelled at australia and new zealand, after all they bring in players that could be playing for tonga, samoa and western samoa..... and the same with japan.... in fact the only country that doesn't really do it is south africa... they are pure in your eyes.... everyone else... guilty as sin.... and you didn't answer my question... name an italian coach, and a welsh coach, that would be as good as what they have now..... and a scottish coach (townsend has only been coach of glasgow for a year, he is not experienced enough at this stage) the southern hemisphere shoe horning every man jack who can play a bit into there teams is a well known fact , is it right ? not by a country mile . there is a quote from further up this thread , never heard of it til today but i do think it it bang on the money I recall Jamie Carragher being asked about foreign national coaches and his reply was perfect. International sport is about the best of one country taking on the best of another country. That should extend to the coaching staff. Simple but effective. as to home grown talent , as i said , the 6 nations has been going long enough for the home nations that have become addicted to buying off the shelf to get their act together , if outside lads is all that they desire then they should be restricted to supporting roles " Look buddy, it really is as simple as this, if there was anyone better at the job in any of these countries, theyd get the job. Now whether you think each country should purposely restrict itself to coaches of their own nationality is another thing, but as its currently a free market out there, the best guys are in place because theyre the best. | |||
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