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Calrk Carlisle ex footballer

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

According to the BBC report, he was attempting to take his own life when he was hit by a lorry in North Yorkshire just before Christmas.

Good or bad driving? Darwin Awards are not easily won.

Should add an interesting twist to the police investigations.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Clarke, even.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Poor lorry driver selfish carlisle

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham


"Poor lorry driver selfish carlisle"

Ralph Little agrees with you

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Failed suicide attempts are always funny

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Failed suicide attempts are always funny "

No suicide, successful or not, is funny

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Failed suicide attempts are always funny "

Gotta agree with Evie, nothing about suicide is funny.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Poor lorry driver selfish carlisle

Ralph Little agrees with you"

Whilst I can see this point from the fact that he involved an innocent person in his attempt to take his life in cannot accept that he was selfish.

When you are in a place where you want to take your own life you are not in a place where you are thinking Rationally.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

I also don't understand the op. What has this got to do with good or bad driving and the Darwin awards? I thought the Darwin awards were people doing stupid things, not people in a state of such despair that the only whyvth can see to fix things is to take their own life?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Totally agree, Feel so sorry for the lorry driver

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Poor lorry driver selfish carlisle

Ralph Little agrees with you"

Really? I'd suggest he reads up on the degrees of depression and the symptoms before he opens his gob!! Rational thought and severe depression don't exactly go hand in hand!!

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

Clark wasn't driving he was walking

I doubt his family or children think it very funny

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"Failed suicide attempts are always funny

No suicide, successful or not, is funny "

Sorry if that upsets you, but it is a reality of life. Obviously some people feel that living is no longer an option and they have my full sympathy.

Some suicide attempts are quite bizarre though

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham


"Poor lorry driver selfish carlisle

Ralph Little agrees with you

Really? I'd suggest he reads up on the degrees of depression and the symptoms before he opens his gob!! Rational thought and severe depression don't exactly go hand in hand!!"

Ralph Little expanded on his twitlonger account

'First and foremost, and I should know this by now, twitter is not the place for this sort of thing, as it takes more than 140 characters to talk about anything seriously. So already I wish I hadn’t said anything, not because I regret the comment, but because the choice of forum was wrong and frankly understandable if people are riled up.

Next thing is, I don’t suddenly want to air a list of grievances that sound sensationalist and do some tabloid’s job for them. Clarke and I have history, that involves money, lies, on one notable occasion me being interrogated by the police over something I knew nothing about… and all sorts of other stuff.

Now, when it comes to mental illness, I understand it, I’ve lived around it, I’ve supported it, I fight against the stigmatization of it and so on. I think it’s a very real issue with a long road to go to combat it.

So that said, on to this case… It’s extremely difficult to watch someone repeatedly ruin other people’s lives, then explain it in such a way that makes them immune to criticism. And it keeps happening. It’s now reached a point where, as this proves, it’s like emotional touch paper. And sure, I’m not a professional expert on mental health, and no doubt, neither are you. But I know more about this particular case than you do just because you read about it in the Sun, or saw a documentary.

There comes a point where it’s just frustrating to witness someone constantly hammering the pattern of destruction for those around – and I was once one of those around - only to see the destructive force make a moving and sincere apology… then do it again.

(On reflection, that’s the nature of addiction/illness, and I know that all too well, but as I say, a rash tweet and it’s not the place for it. )

I should also say that during the course of this twitter… whatever it is, Clarke has been in touch with a retrospective apology over things that went on a long time ago, and I think that has to be respected by all, myself included.

Anyway... You have to be in a dark place to attempt suicide, and only a fool would suggest otherwise. However, I do find myself thinking that when you’ve been driving d*unk five (is it?) times, risking lives of countless other people, and even in your darkest hour still manage to involve a lorry driver who could have died himself, and now has to live with that trauma and memory every day fro the REST of his life… Personally my stores of empathy start to dry up after a while.

Am I really that out of order for suggesting that’s not on? Do we repeatedly overlook reckless destruction of other lives beacause someone apologizes, again and again, and says it’s an illness? Isn't there a point where we can go, "enough is enough"?

I hate drink driving, I really do. I know victims of it, who have died, been paralysed, or lost loved ones, and I’ve watched this man get caught doing it several times then publicly forgiven, lauded, and handed a bloody good career! I’m sorry but that annoys me!

And I think that’s my overriding feeling. I don’t feel sad for Clarke any more, I was drained of that some time ago. Instead I feel sad, and maybe a little angry, for Gemma, and the kids, and the lorry driver, and the people who dived out of the way of the car all those years ago, and all the other people who have been fucked over and over and over… you know who you are.

Of course I wish Clarke a strong recovery – and not just from the crash. It would be a better world if he and all other sufferers of such an insidious disease could find a way to fight the good fight. But when he does end up facing the drink driving charges, this time around, I hope, not least out of respect for the hundreds of drink driving victims who tweet me every year, they throw the book at him.

I don’t think that makes me a cunt, or gobshite, or a wanker, or any other delightful name some of you came up with, but hey it’s a free country.

Though, as a final thought, I would say again, I’m a fool for forgetting that twitter is not, and never will be, the place for a comment like that. It’s too reductive and simplistic, and yes, without context, I can see it would seem insensitive and crass. Not my intention.

I’m going to bed.'

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Failed suicide attempts are always funny

No suicide, successful or not, is funny

Sorry if that upsets you, but it is a reality of life. Obviously some people feel that living is no longer an option and they have my full sympathy.

Some suicide attempts are quite bizarre though "

Laughing at other people's mental health problems is not a reality I want in my life.

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By *issmorganWoman
over a year ago

Calderdale innit


"Failed suicide attempts are always funny

No suicide, successful or not, is funny "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who is Ralph Little and why do people care about what he says ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who is Ralph Little and why do people care about what he says ? "

2 bob actor who was the young chavvy kid in 'The Royale Family'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who is Ralph Little and why do people care about what he says ?

2 bob actor who was the young chavvy kid in 'The Royale Family'"

Ah. Never seen that.

But why are people paying attention to what he says ?

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Because he posted a comment on twitter which people got angry about, not knowing the context, which he then set out.

They have a history.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Because he posted a comment on twitter which people got angry about, not knowing the context, which he then set out.

They have a history. "

I've read through it a few times and it comes across as anger towards a guy who displays the many symptoms of mental illness.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Because he posted a comment on twitter which people got angry about, not knowing the context, which he then set out.

They have a history. "

Why do people get angry about what actors say ?

They are only entertainers.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"Failed suicide attempts are always funny

No suicide, successful or not, is funny

Sorry if that upsets you, but it is a reality of life. Obviously some people feel that living is no longer an option and they have my full sympathy.

Some suicide attempts are quite bizarre though "

first time I attempted suicide I was 10 years old. I put my head down the toilet and flushed the chain. I thought I'd drown.

Yes some suicide attempts are bizarre and some terrible cases where people set fire to themselves, unless your in that position at that given time you do not know what that person feels.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Feel sorry for Clarke and the driver,depression is an illness and its fine people saying he is selfish to try to take his life in this way...but when you have little control over your thoughts these things happen.

Hope that he makes a full recovery and the driver who will be suffering from shock can get on with his life again too

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham


"Because he posted a comment on twitter which people got angry about, not knowing the context, which he then set out.

They have a history.

I've read through it a few times and it comes across as anger towards a guy who displays the many symptoms of mental illness. "

Yes, but I think he was sympathetic for a long time.

Little compares it to addiction. The thing with addictions of all types is the effect it has on others, be that gambling, drugs, alcohol or whatever. You can recognise that the condition is not their fault, but they must be aware of the effect on others. There is help out there, so anyone seeking help is worthy of sympathy, but those avoiding help and putting the addiction first eventually loses that support.

Stephen Fry, for example, in his suicide attempts was not recklessly endangering others and now manages his condition with medication. Reading between the lines, Carlisle does not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Because he posted a comment on twitter which people got angry about, not knowing the context, which he then set out.

They have a history.

I've read through it a few times and it comes across as anger towards a guy who displays the many symptoms of mental illness.

Yes, but I think he was sympathetic for a long time.

Little compares it to addiction. The thing with addictions of all types is the effect it has on others, be that gambling, drugs, alcohol or whatever. You can recognise that the condition is not their fault, but they must be aware of the effect on others. There is help out there, so anyone seeking help is worthy of sympathy, but those avoiding help and putting the addiction first eventually loses that support.

Stephen Fry, for example, in his suicide attempts was not recklessly endangering others and now manages his condition with medication. Reading between the lines, Carlisle does not. "

Don't get me wrong I can understand that people sometimes cannot cope with the effects and therefore need to step away but that's the illness not the sufferer.

Stephen Fry got to the point of suicide before he got proper help, It was his wake up call. Time will tell with Carlisle and I don't believe he's a lost cause.

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