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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

In the news it says the driver of the bin lorry involved in a fatal crash has no memeory of the event.

So, he's not to blame or responsible?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well he is too blame, regardless if he had a heart attack or passed out he was still behind the wheel so he did cause it!

But he did not cause it on purpose as he did not choose to do it!

He now has to carry that guilt around with him regardless if they find him not at fault due to medical reasons

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Culpable not responsible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He now has to carry that guilt around with him"

This! I thought that at the time, not sure I could handle having that on my plate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's probably a good thing he can't remember. If it's found he wasn't negligent in any way and it really was a freak accident (as it seems) then what a thing to be carrying around on his conscience for the rest of his life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite harsh comments considering the circustances IMHO.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

In the news it says the driver of the bin lorry involved in a fatal crash has no memeory of the event.

So, he's not to blame or responsible?

Did he actually say he is not to name or responsible or is that the question you are posing as a discussion point?

Whether he has any memory of it is irrelevant. The fact is that the lorry he was in charge of crashed into people and caused deaths. Of course he didn't intend itchy happen but it did. Therefore he is to blame.

Responsibility I guess lies with why it happened, was he negligent in his duties? We're there any reasons he was aware of as to why he should not have been driving that day? Etc

At the end of the day it is a terrible accident. Understandably families will want answers, closure, some may even want compensating for the loss of their family and I feel terrible for all those involved as they have live this not only on a personal level but in such a public level as well as the case gets reported in local and national press.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There was a photo posted on face book about that accident and a picture taken from the other side which clearly shows the driver sitting up right at the wheel awake also there in the pic was a clear view of a passenger who looked foreign

Bit odd the driver kept the vehicle driving down that road if he had had a heart attack he wouldnt of be able to get that far

Funny they won't release his name ??

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Quite harsh comments considering the circustances IMHO.

What comments have been harsh? Have some been removed? All I can read is sympathy for the situation but factual statements of what happened.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"There was a photo posted on face book about that accident and a picture taken from the other side which clearly shows the driver sitting up right at the wheel awake also there in the pic was a clear view of a passenger who looked foreign

Bit odd the driver kept the vehicle driving down that road if he had had a heart attack he wouldnt of be able to get that far

Funny they won't release his name ??"

Ah..Facebook...The home of criminal investigation and truthfulness lol can you corroborate it was the exact same lorry? What does the passenger looking foreign have to do with anything? Are foreign looking people not allowed to have jobs on the bins?

I am glad they haven't released his name with the amount of sick bustard out there that have nothing bettering do than harass and Harrange people for even the slightest thing. Why do we need v to know his name?

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By *s cynicalWoman
over a year ago

glasgow

Bit odd the driver kept the vehicle driving down that road if he had had a heart attack he wouldnt of be able to get that far

Funny they won't release his name ??

I too saw this and in my opinion its a pile of piss to stir up trouble.

there have been cases of people walking into A&E and gp surgeries while suffering heart attacks. ..so driving down the road does not surprise me"

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Also, if someone had passed out while driving it's very reasonable to assume that their foot can rest on the accelerator causing the lorry to continue to drive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think this incident is important for all drivers. In a court of law, a criminal is asked are u aware of the action u took part in

All drivers know that they could have problems and cues an an accident resulting in death.

We then have to ask ourselves we let innocent ppl go to jail when we are as guilty as them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" also there in the pic was a clear view of a passenger who looked foreign

What the hell are the criteria for 'looking foreign'?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" also there in the pic was a clear view of a passenger who looked foreign

What the hell are the criteria for 'looking foreign'?"

Dodgy shell suit? 80's style mullet? I really don't know

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By *he tactile technicianMan
over a year ago

the good lands, the bad lands, the any where you may want me lands

" also there in the pic was a clear view of a passenger who looked foreign

What the hell are the criteria for 'looking foreign'?"
he looked English!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Funny they won't release his name ??"

58yr old Harry Clarke?, as reported on the BBC news

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

It's quite possible he didn't know he had a heart condition. Often the first indication is a syncope event, where you 'black out' for a few seconds or more.

This is usually a hint to get yourself checked out but if it's the first time ..........

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

" also there in the pic was a clear view of a passenger who looked foreign

What the hell are the criteria for 'looking foreign'?"

this..

and what if they were 'foreign looking'..?

unless the criteria for being a passenger has been enacted in law of late..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's quite possible he didn't know he had a heart condition. Often the first indication is a syncope event, where you 'black out' for a few seconds or more.

This is usually a hint to get yourself checked out but if it's the first time .......... "

Ppl know they. Are obese, yet complain of feeling tired. The world are full of ppl who ignore the signs because they let fate decide. If it happens, it happens...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's quite possible he didn't know he had a heart condition. Often the first indication is a syncope event, where you 'black out' for a few seconds or more.

This is usually a hint to get yourself checked out but if it's the first time ..........

Ppl know they. Are obese, yet complain of feeling tired. The world are full of ppl who ignore the signs because they let fate decide. If it happens, it happens..."

Tell that to Fabrice Muamba.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"It's quite possible he didn't know he had a heart condition. Often the first indication is a syncope event, where you 'black out' for a few seconds or more.

This is usually a hint to get yourself checked out but if it's the first time ..........

Ppl know they. Are obese, yet complain of feeling tired. The world are full of ppl who ignore the signs because they let fate decide. If it happens, it happens..."
so if your obese you shouldn't drive? How many of us feel tired at some stage?

My dad died of a heart attack he was far from obese.

I'm obese, I have regular checks for other reasons I'm probably more healthy than someone who isn't obese and doesn't have checks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's quite possible he didn't know he had a heart condition. Often the first indication is a syncope event, where you 'black out' for a few seconds or more.

This is usually a hint to get yourself checked out but if it's the first time ..........

Ppl know they. Are obese, yet complain of feeling tired. The world are full of ppl who ignore the signs because they let fate decide. If it happens, it happens...so if your obese you shouldn't drive? How many of us feel tired at some stage?

My dad died of a heart attack he was far from obese.

I'm obese, I have regular checks for other reasons I'm probably more healthy than someone who isn't obese and doesn't have checks"

Hey, I did not say that. U said that. I responded ppl are aware of their health yet chose to ignore when it comes to driving. Ppl therefore allow with the aid of fate to cause injury. It is a fact...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's quite possible he didn't know he had a heart condition. Often the first indication is a syncope event, where you 'black out' for a few seconds or more.

This is usually a hint to get yourself checked out but if it's the first time ..........

My dad died of a heart attack he was far from obese.

I'm obese, I have regular checks for other reasons I'm probably more healthy than someone who isn't obese and doesn't have checks"

If u feel ill, u Should'nt drive, neither should u drink. Are ppl really this pathetic..

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"It's quite possible he didn't know he had a heart condition. Often the first indication is a syncope event, where you 'black out' for a few seconds or more.

This is usually a hint to get yourself checked out but if it's the first time ..........

My dad died of a heart attack he was far from obese.

I'm obese, I have regular checks for other reasons I'm probably more healthy than someone who isn't obese and doesn't have checks"

His argument is that nobody should drive, actually.

Everybody who gets into a car knows that something could happen and somebody could be killed as a result. Therefore, as they know that, if something does happen they are criminally guilty of causing it because they knew the risk was there.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"It's quite possible he didn't know he had a heart condition. Often the first indication is a syncope event, where you 'black out' for a few seconds or more.

This is usually a hint to get yourself checked out but if it's the first time ..........

My dad died of a heart attack he was far from obese.

I'm obese, I have regular checks for other reasons I'm probably more healthy than someone who isn't obese and doesn't have checks

Hey, I did not say that. U said that. I responded ppl are aware of their health yet chose to ignore when it comes to driving. Ppl therefore allow with the aid of fate to cause injury. It is a fact..."
rubbish, you said obese people, so people who are not obese obviously can't have health problems according to you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's quite possible he didn't know he had a heart condition. Often the first indication is a syncope event, where you 'black out' for a few seconds or more.

This is usually a hint to get yourself checked out but if it's the first time ..........

My dad died of a heart attack he was far from obese.

I'm obese, I have regular checks for other reasons I'm probably more healthy than someone who isn't obese and doesn't have checks"

A criminal is asked before he is condemned did u know what the result of your actions were. A driver knows he could sto injure. He does it anyway. In the eyes of the law all drivers are guilty of committing a criminal act

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's quite possible he didn't know he had a heart condition. Often the first indication is a syncope event, where you 'black out' for a few seconds or more.

This is usually a hint to get yourself checked out but if it's the first time ..........

My dad died of a heart attack he was far from obese.

I'm obese, I have regular checks for other reasons I'm probably more healthy than someone who isn't obese and doesn't have checks

His argument is that nobody should drive, actually.

Yes. If anyone has ever been in a courtroom...u will know that a criminal is asked this. Judge he not lest u want to be judged. All drivers are therefore criminals.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"It's quite possible he didn't know he had a heart condition. Often the first indication is a syncope event, where you 'black out' for a few seconds or more.

This is usually a hint to get yourself checked out but if it's the first time ..........

My dad died of a heart attack he was far from obese.

I'm obese, I have regular checks for other reasons I'm probably more healthy than someone who isn't obese and doesn't have checks

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so are you now saying no one should drive?

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"It's quite possible he didn't know he had a heart condition. Often the first indication is a syncope event, where you 'black out' for a few seconds or more.

This is usually a hint to get yourself checked out but if it's the first time ..........

My dad died of a heart attack he was far from obese.

I'm obese, I have regular checks for other reasons I'm probably more healthy than someone who isn't obese and doesn't have checks

so are you now saying no one should drive?

As per what I said above, yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's quite possible he didn't know he had a heart condition. Often the first indication is a syncope event, where you 'black out' for a few seconds or more.

This is usually a hint to get yourself checked out but if it's the first time ..........

My dad died of a heart attack he was far from obese.

I'm obese, I have regular checks for other reasons I'm probably more healthy than someone who isn't obese and doesn't have checks

His argument is that nobody should drive, actually.

Yes. If anyone has ever been in a courtroom...u will know that a criminal is asked this. Judge he not lest u want to be judged. All drivers are therefore criminals. "

Have you ever been in a courtroom??

I'm qualified to ask this, since I'm not a driver and therefore not a criminal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's quite possible he didn't know he had a heart condition. Often the first indication is a syncope event, where you 'black out' for a few seconds or more.

This is usually a hint to get yourself checked out but if it's the first time ..........

My dad died of a heart attack he was far from obese.

I'm obese, I have regular checks for other reasons I'm probably more healthy than someone who isn't obese and doesn't have checks

so are you now saying no one should drive?

Quite a conundrum huh. In order to seem successful, to make a living, u have to drive. But that itself can cause murder. Because u know u could have an attack or whatever condition that may arise.

I guess not judging yourself in what u do means things get overlooked. I always judge myself before I judge others. That's why I don't drive. Oppressed since I was 12

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"It's quite possible he didn't know he had a heart condition. Often the first indication is a syncope event, where you 'black out' for a few seconds or more.

This is usually a hint to get yourself checked out but if it's the first time ..........

My dad died of a heart attack he was far from obese.

I'm obese, I have regular checks for other reasons I'm probably more healthy than someone who isn't obese and doesn't have checks

His argument is that nobody should drive, actually.

Yes. If anyone has ever been in a courtroom...u will know that a criminal is asked this. Judge he not lest u want to be judged. All drivers are therefore criminals. "

When were you last in an actual courtroom at a genuine trial? How many have you seen? Actual, trials, in the UK. Real ones, not on television.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"It's quite possible he didn't know he had a heart condition. Often the first indication is a syncope event, where you 'black out' for a few seconds or more.

This is usually a hint to get yourself checked out but if it's the first time ..........

My dad died of a heart attack he was far from obese.

I'm obese, I have regular checks for other reasons I'm probably more healthy than someone who isn't obese and doesn't have checks

so are you now saying no one should drive?

As per what I said above, yes."
yes I missed what you said till after I typed it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's quite possible he didn't know he had a heart condition. Often the first indication is a syncope event, where you 'black out' for a few seconds or more.

This is usually a hint to get yourself checked out but if it's the first time ..........

My dad died of a heart attack he was far from obese.

I'm obese, I have regular checks for other reasons I'm probably more healthy than someone who isn't obese and doesn't have checks

His argument is that nobody should drive, actually.

Yes. If anyone has ever been in a courtroom...u will know that a criminal is asked this. Judge he not lest u want to be judged. All drivers are therefore criminals.

Have you ever been in a courtroom??

I'm qualified to ask this, since I'm not a driver and therefore not a criminal. "

Yes. My condition makes it more easier for me to deal with law and justice for that is in essence is what aspies are known for.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Incidentally, OP, last year I was in court for the entire of the trial of the driver who killed my brother in a road accident.

I have a fair idea of what is said during such a trial.

So, tell us, when were you last in court?

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"It's quite possible he didn't know he had a heart condition. Often the first indication is a syncope event, where you 'black out' for a few seconds or more.

This is usually a hint to get yourself checked out but if it's the first time ..........

My dad died of a heart attack he was far from obese.

I'm obese, I have regular checks for other reasons I'm probably more healthy than someone who isn't obese and doesn't have checks

so are you now saying no one should drive?

Quite a conundrum huh. In order to seem successful, to make a living, u have to drive. But that itself can cause murder. Because u know u could have an attack or whatever condition that may arise.

I guess not judging yourself in what u do means things get overlooked. I always judge myself before I judge others. That's why I don't drive. Oppressed since I was 12"
I don't drive either, doesn't mean I think all drivers are criminals

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2915760/Driver-Glasgow-bin-lorry-killed-six-years-experience-wheel-passed-rigorous-medical-exam.html

(apologies for it being a daily mail link)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a desperately sad situation all round, for the driver and his family, for all the folks he killed and all their family's. It's going to very badly affect all concerned for many many years to come

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The real challenge is that you don't always know you have a heart problem till something catastrophic happens.

I've had fairly intense annual MOTs since 1986 yet none detected a heart murmur which deteriorated into cardiomyopathy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's quite possible he didn't know he had a heart condition. Often the first indication is a syncope event, where you 'black out' for a few seconds or more.

This is usually a hint to get yourself checked out but if it's the first time ..........

My dad died of a heart attack he was far from obese.

I'm obese, I have regular checks for other reasons I'm probably more healthy than someone who isn't obese and doesn't have checks

His argument is that nobody should drive, actually.

Yes. If anyone has ever been in a courtroom...u will know that a criminal is asked this. Judge he not lest u want to be judged. All drivers are therefore criminals.

Have you ever been in a courtroom??

I'm qualified to ask this, since I'm not a driver and therefore not a criminal.

Yes. My condition makes it more easier for me to deal with law and justice for that is in essence is what aspies are known for.

Understanding the law and justice (which is debatable) isn't the same as being in a courtroom...

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By *afadaoMan
over a year ago

Staines

"Quite a conundrum huh. In order to seem successful, to make a living, u have to drive. But that itself can cause murder. "

You say you understand law and justice. If that's the case you should know that cases like this are very rarely murder.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

In the news it says the driver of the bin lorry involved in a fatal crash has no memeory of the event.

So, he's not to blame or responsible?

You failed to mention that he was unconscious so why he couldn't remember anything

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Quite harsh comments considering the circustances IMHO.

What comments have been harsh? Have some been removed? All I can read is sympathy for the situation but factual statements of what happened. "

I took the OP's opening statement as being sarcastic, my bad for misinterpretating it if that wasn't the case.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

By coincidence, Dr G Medical Examiner on telly is discussing cardiomyopathy right now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" also there in the pic was a clear view of a passenger who looked foreign

What the hell are the criteria for 'looking foreign'?

Dodgy shell suit? 80's style mullet? I really don't know

Scousers aren't foreign.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"By coincidence, Dr G Medical Examiner on telly is discussing cardiomyopathy right now."

Did he have this?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"By coincidence, Dr G Medical Examiner on telly is discussing cardiomyopathy right now.

Did he have this?"

I doubt he's had a proper diagnosis yet but from the description, albeit vague, of what happened plus reports of a heart condition (again vague), it has to be a possibility - maybe with a faulty valve too.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"By coincidence, Dr G Medical Examiner on telly is discussing cardiomyopathy right now.

Did he have this?

Ah, from what I have read he hasn't mentioned what the problem was just that he isn't right even now.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"By coincidence, Dr G Medical Examiner on telly is discussing cardiomyopathy right now.

Did he have this?

Ah, from what I have read he hasn't mentioned what the problem was just that he isn't right even now.

PS any heart condition could have been a possibility, or epilepsy or HBP etc etc....there are lots of conditions apart from Heart problems that can make you black out

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"By coincidence, Dr G Medical Examiner on telly is discussing cardiomyopathy right now.

Did he have this?

Ah, from what I have read he hasn't mentioned what the problem was just that he isn't right even now.

PS any heart condition could have been a possibility, or epilepsy or HBP etc etc....there are lots of conditions apart from Heart problems that can make you black out

Yes, there are but my money is on HOCM.

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

I so glad I don't have facebook.....I have a morbid fear it may turn me into a total fartbrain that believes any old shit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I so glad I don't have facebook.....I have a morbid fear it may turn me into a total fartbrain that believes any old shit

Fab does that to me.

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