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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago

Up North :-)

Is it right the British Govt pay £12 million for the pope’s visit?

Or could that money be better spent on other things?

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By *ollie_JCouple
over a year ago

London

Depends if it is offset by any profits by the corresponding papal treasure exhibitions

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over a year ago

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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago

Up North :-)

"Depends if it is offset by any profits by the corresponding papal treasure exhibitions"

Somehow i doubt it or from the papal T shirts that are apparently available. At this rare the pope will be bigger than the Beetles

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

if it gives joy and a sense of fulfilment to many people can't see why not to be honest. He is head of their church and will it mean a lot to see him.

same for any of the other heads of church... it's spititual.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

With the Vatican being the richest organisation in the world, richer than even some COUNTRIES - let them pay for their own goddam visit! I'm not even religious ffs! so why should my tax go towards the visit of someone who I believe to a misguided fool at best, and a parasitical megalomaniac at worst.

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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago

Up North :-)

I have to say i was shocked at how much it was costing. We could have had U2 for less than that!

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"if it gives joy and a sense of fulfilment to many people can't see why not to be honest. He is head of their church and will it mean a lot to see him.

same for any of the other heads of church... it's spititual.

maybe prefer spiritual.... gobbing on him may not be appreciated by all.

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

As a committed Evangelical Fundamentalist Athiest, i'm not the biggest fan of the Pope to say the least, and won't be waving any flags or buying any t-shirts.

But to carp about the money, whether it be £12 mill +/- doesnt really solve anything.

Rightly or wrongly, the Pope is a spiritual figurehead to many, many people in this country and to be honest there is money being pissed away on far worse things than his visit.

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"I have to say i was shocked at how much it was costing. We could have had U2 for less than that! "

Yeah we could have, but to be honest, i find the Pope a slightly less sanctimonious cunt than Bono.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it right the British Govt pay £12 million for the pope’s visit?

Or could that money be better spent on other things?

It is not right

We could spend that 12 Million on keeping our forces in Afghanistan another 20 minutes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As an aside: who picks up the tab when the Royals, MPs etc go travelling to other countries?

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By *he BananamanMan
over a year ago

WORCESTERSHIRE

a lot of people will get great pleasure from the popes visit to the uk!,i would prefer money to be used to be used in this way for the pleasure of people of this country rather than go to some corrupt officials of a third world country skimming from charity funds!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it right the British Govt pay £12 million for the pope’s visit?

Or could that money be better spent on other things?

It is not right

We could spend that 12 Million on keeping our forces in Afghanistan another 20 minutes.

PMSL!!

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By *etillanteWoman
over a year ago

"As an aside: who picks up the tab when the Royals, MPs etc go travelling to other countries?"

But the are representatives of a country, not a religion

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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago

Up North :-)

"As an aside: who picks up the tab when the Royals, MPs etc go travelling to other countries?"

That i am not sure about but i suspect we don't. The host country will pay for security, a b&b and some scram i presume. But how do you get a bill into the millions i just don't know.

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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago

Up North :-)

"Is it right the British Govt pay £12 million for the pope’s visit?

Or could that money be better spent on other things?

It is not right

We could spend that 12 Million on keeping our forces in Afghanistan another 20 minutes.

It wouldn't be a lot cheaper keeping them stationed in Cyprus or Germany though.

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By *ollie_JCouple
over a year ago

London

"As an aside: who picks up the tab when the Royals, MPs etc go travelling to other countries?

But the are representatives of a country, not a religion"

The vatican is a country

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As an aside: who picks up the tab when the Royals, MPs etc go travelling to other countries?

But the are representatives of a country, not a religion"

That's as maybe but someone still has to foot the bill!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As an aside: who picks up the tab when the Royals, MPs etc go travelling to other countries?

That i am not sure about but i suspect we don't. The host country will pay for security, a b&b and some scram i presume. But how do you get a bill into the millions i just don't know."

It sure is excessive!

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Is it right the British Govt pay £12 million for the pope’s visit?

Or could that money be better spent on other things?

It is not right

We could spend that 12 Million on keeping our forces in Afghanistan another 20 minutes.

It wouldn't be a lot cheaper keeping them stationed in Cyprus or Germany though. "

Don't need 'em in Germany, the cold war is over and the flat plains of Europe are empty of Russian tanks.

Cyprus? Probably only for the recruiting poster where the squaddies are all waterski-ing...

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By *yronMan
over a year ago

grangemouth

What's the difference between God and Bono?

God doesn't walk around acting like he's Bono.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it right the British Govt pay £12 million for the pope’s visit?

Or could that money be better spent on other things?

It is not right

We could spend that 12 Million on keeping our forces in Afghanistan another 20 minutes.

It wouldn't be a lot cheaper keeping them stationed in Cyprus or Germany though. "

Anyone know why we retain an army in Germany? We're surely not still expecting hordes of Russian tanks to appear over the horizon, are we?

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By *ollie_JCouple
over a year ago

London

Anybody fancy a stash of new massive army bases in the UK?

Not to mention nobbling another national park into a massive tank range

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

Just imagine if you had massive armies ( massively long that is ) you wouldn't need the RAF. You could quite eaily place the bombs where needed. With precision.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i dont see why we should pay! hes not my spiritual leader!

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Just imagine if you had massive armies ( massively long that is ) you wouldn't need the RAF. You could quite eaily place the bombs where needed. With precision."

Can i be the fisrt guy to "pass the bomb", not the last one?

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By *uton_coupleCouple
over a year ago

luton

the government will be happy to foot the bill

it suits there purpose that huge segments of the population are subservient to the catholic faith , who,s followers are god fearing

they like the fact that the populous are happy to be told what to do , and what is wrong or right

have you ever wondered why it is that say tony blair , and all the other PM,s before and after go to church every sunday ?

and why it is obama in the usa goes aswell ?

its funny now tony has resigned he dont bother to go LOL ...... just like me he knows its a right load of bull shit LOL

for centuries the government have been aligned with the church in its various guises and that continues today

even though every aspect of ALL religions have been proved to be ficticious , or impossible , one can only be amazed at how many still "believe"

every story in the bible has been shown to be drived from natuaral events or occurences , and creationism has been shown to be hogwash and poppycock , dreamed up by someone no doubt on drugs

it makes my blood boil to think about the thousands of peadophiles in the catholic church ( and others ) and when i think about all those poor peasants having to donate 10 percent of there harvest to the church , so the vicar etc etc could live in luxury makes it boil a bit more

the pope and all the others like him should be burned at the stake

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the government will be happy to foot the bill

it suits there purpose that huge segments of the population are subservient to the catholic faith , who,s followers are god fearing

they like the fact that the populous are happy to be told what to do , and what is wrong or right

have you ever wondered why it is that say tony blair , and all the other PM,s before and after go to church every sunday ?

and why it is obama in the usa goes aswell ?

its funny now tony has resigned he dont bother to go LOL ...... just like me he knows its a right load of bull shit LOL

for centuries the government have been aligned with the church in its various guises and that continues today

even though every aspect of ALL religions have been proved to be ficticious , or impossible , one can only be amazed at how many still "believe"

every story in the bible has been shown to be drived from natuaral events or occurences , and creationism has been shown to be hogwash and poppycock , dreamed up by someone no doubt on drugs

the pope and all the others like him should be burned at the stake

What a load of rubbish! Religion is part of the reason we have heightened security in the UK ok not Catholicism but religion causes more problems than anything. 30 years of protestants and Catholics at war in Ireland ring a bell?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have to say i was shocked at how much it was costing. We could have had U2 for less than that!

Yeah we could have, but to be honest, i find the Pope a slightly less sanctimonious cunt than Bono."

Say what you feel won't you!

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"I have to say i was shocked at how much it was costing. We could have had U2 for less than that!

Yeah we could have, but to be honest, i find the Pope a slightly less sanctimonious cunt than Bono.

Say what you feel won't you!

I toned it down for the benefit of those on the site with a "genteel" disposition.

If i wrote what i REALLY thought, another "forum holiday" would be a certainty.

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By *uton_coupleCouple
over a year ago

luton

"the government will be happy to foot the bill

it suits there purpose that huge segments of the population are subservient to the catholic faith , who,s followers are god fearing

they like the fact that the populous are happy to be told what to do , and what is wrong or right

have you ever wondered why it is that say tony blair , and all the other PM,s before and after go to church every sunday ?

and why it is obama in the usa goes aswell ?

its funny now tony has resigned he dont bother to go LOL ...... just like me he knows its a right load of bull shit LOL

for centuries the government have been aligned with the church in its various guises and that continues today

even though every aspect of ALL religions have been proved to be ficticious , or impossible , one can only be amazed at how many still "believe"

every story in the bible has been shown to be drived from natuaral events or occurences , and creationism has been shown to be hogwash and poppycock , dreamed up by someone no doubt on drugs

the pope and all the others like him should be burned at the stake

i agree with what you say

so slightly perplexed

i should point out tho that it was not a religious order that invaded and anexed northern ireland , it was the united kingdom trying to expand its empire

the fact that they were of a different religion is neither here or there

ask any supporter of "the cause" and they will tell you there arguement is the fact they are anexed , it really has nothing to do with relligion

in the second world war did we say during the battle of britain "stand fast men we will not give in to the catholics"

no it was the "germans" that we called them , the fact that they were mainly catholic made no difference what so ever

just as in northern ireland

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By *-and-KCouple
over a year ago

Back of Beyond

According to the last census figures, only 8% of the UK population is roman catholic.

So on the baloance of things 12 million quid to please 8% of the population seems an awful waste of money. Hard to say this but the percentage of muslims is on a par with roman catholics, do we intend to invite Ayatollah WWoever over on a fully paid jaunt to preach to those that don't want to hear it as well?

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"I have to say i was shocked at how much it was costing. We could have had U2 for less than that!

Yeah we could have, but to be honest, i find the Pope a slightly less sanctimonious cunt than Bono.

Say what you feel won't you!

I toned it down for the benefit of those on the site with a "genteel" disposition.

If i wrote what i REALLY thought, another "forum holiday" would be a certainty.

And now, in a completely unexpected twist, i would like to point out that the uk govt has spent and will spend again in the future, similar sums of money for state visits by a wide range of dictators, despots, war criminals and other assorted bampots. So it's a bit unfair to single out the guy in the white hat.

Nicolae Ceausescu, Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe anyone?

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By *oDownEasyMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

I reckn at least 2 mill will be needed for somewhere to hide all the choirboys

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm just annoyed that the park I walk my dogs in will be shut for two days-it's the only one in Glasgow with an enclosure where my psychotic retriever can get off his lead and muzzle- so he's going to suffer to the tune of 12 million- think I can claim it back from the Vatican?

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"I'm just annoyed that the park I walk my dogs in will be shut for two days-it's the only one in Glasgow with an enclosure where my psychotic retriever can get off his lead and muzzle- so he's going to suffer to the tune of 12 million- think I can claim it back from the Vatican?

Just go for your normal walk, but wear a Rangers top.

You'll get a police escort from one side of the park to the other. Trust me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just go for your normal walk, but wear a Rangers top.

You'll get a police escort from one side of the park to the other. Trust me."

Don’t do that, the pope will invite you over for tea and scones

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just go for your normal walk, but wear a Rangers top.

You'll get a police escort from one side of the park to the other. Trust me.

Don’t do that, the pope will invite you over for tea and scones

Rangers top? I live here- I don't subject to it- besides- Motherwell colours suit me so much better.

I won't even get into the park- am having to pay for walkers to take em out!

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Just go for your normal walk, but wear a Rangers top.

You'll get a police escort from one side of the park to the other. Trust me.

Don’t do that, the pope will invite you over for tea and scones

Rangers top? I live here- I don't subject to it- besides- Motherwell colours suit me so much better.

I won't even get into the park- am having to pay for walkers to take em out!

Wonder if they've still got the old Pope Mobile from the last time he was here.

They'll be needing to jump start it i would think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They'll be needing to jump start it i would think."

the pope?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Controversial I know but religion is the cause of 90% of the worlds problems in my opinion

Thank goodness I never followed the ministry path I actually started on xx

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"They'll be needing to jump start it i would think.

the pope?"

If they jump start the 1982 Pope i WILL renounce both my atheism and my belief in an evidence based scientific world.

And pray like fuck.

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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago

Up North :-)

"the government will be happy to foot the bill

it suits there purpose that huge segments of the population are subservient to the catholic faith , who,s followers are god fearing

they like the fact that the populous are happy to be told what to do , and what is wrong or right

have you ever wondered why it is that say tony blair , and all the other PM,s before and after go to church every sunday ?

and why it is obama in the usa goes aswell ?

its funny now tony has resigned he dont bother to go LOL ...... just like me he knows its a right load of bull shit LOL

for centuries the government have been aligned with the church in its various guises and that continues today

even though every aspect of ALL religions have been proved to be ficticious , or impossible , one can only be amazed at how many still "believe"

every story in the bible has been shown to be drived from natuaral events or occurences , and creationism has been shown to be hogwash and poppycock , dreamed up by someone no doubt on drugs

the pope and all the others like him should be burned at the stake

i agree with what you say

so slightly perplexed

i should point out tho that it was not a religious order that invaded and anexed northern ireland , it was the united kingdom trying to expand its empire

the fact that they were of a different religion is neither here or there

ask any supporter of "the cause" and they will tell you there arguement is the fact they are anexed , it really has nothing to do with relligion

in the second world war did we say during the battle of britain "stand fast men we will not give in to the catholics"

no it was the "germans" that we called them , the fact that they were mainly catholic made no difference what so ever

just as in northern ireland"

I think you have lost it on this one. The point you made was that the Govt liked religion to keep people in place.

Alas in reality religion has perpetuated years of violence in Ireland that was the reason for calling it sectarian troubles. You only have ot go over there and still see the ends of terraces how on earth the government benefited from religion there and here only knows.

Also your so so far across with Tony Blair and the church it's untrue. He goes more now than he ever did

When he left his role as PM he converted to the catholic faith. I if you ever go in for Marstermind don't take politics or the life and times of Tony Blair as your specialist subject

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

christianity, one womans lie about an affair that got abit out of hand

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"christianity, one womans lie about an affair that got abit out of hand

To be fair to Joseph, God was a hard act to follow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

but by all acounts she never even got to have an orgasm ffs

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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago

Up North :-)

"christianity, one womans lie about an affair that got abit out of hand

To be fair to Joseph, God was a hard act to follow."

The deity is a VVWE entity by all accounts

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"but by all acounts she never even got to have an orgasm ffs"

Typical bloody woman. Gets to be the mother of the Son of God and all she can do is bitch about "he never made me cum".

(bet her laminate flooring was the best in Bethlehem though)

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"christianity, one womans lie about an affair that got abit out of hand

To be fair to Joseph, God was a hard act to follow.

The deity is a VVWE entity by all accounts "

He does Wrestling on SKY???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i should point out tho that it was not a religious order that invaded and anexed northern ireland , it was the united kingdom trying to expand its empire

the fact that they were of a different religion is neither here or there

ask any supporter of "the cause" and they will tell you there arguement is the fact they are anexed , it really has nothing to do with relligion

The British occupation if Ireland can be effectively traced back to 1691, so it's not a recent thing that occurred there. In 1691, the world was a different place and the threat of the Pope and Catholicism was very real. It was determined that an occupation of Ireland was neccessary in order to prevent the catholic forces of France and/or Spain occupying Ireland to use as a landing stage for the invasion of Britain. It was a means to an end. Unfortunate for the Irish, but then they were used to invading forces. The Normas tried it centuries earlier and, like the Danes & the Norwegians before them, they were either repelled or integrated into Irish society.

Ireland was partioned in 1920 under the Government of Ireland Act. In that Act was the provision for the eventual reunification of Ireland & Northern Ireland but the Act was repealed in 1998 under the Good Friday Agreement, and now unification of Ireland looks increasingly unlikely to ever take place, unless, as detailed in one of the terms of the Agreement, the people of Northern Ireland vote for it in a referendum.

Interestingly, the Good Friday Agreement aslo makes the following provisions, among others:

* Recognition of the birthright of all the people of Northern Ireland to identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both, as they may so choose; and

* Confirmation that the right to hold both British and Irish citizenship is accepted by both British & Irish Governments and would not be affected by any future change in the status of Northern Ireland.

So you see, Northern Ireland is British because it's population wish it to remain so, and it's creation was purely down to the fact that if we'd left Ireland instead of partitioning it, it's Protestant population would have been slaughtered by the Catholic majority.

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"i should point out tho that it was not a religious order that invaded and anexed northern ireland , it was the united kingdom trying to expand its empire

the fact that they were of a different religion is neither here or there

ask any supporter of "the cause" and they will tell you there arguement is the fact they are anexed , it really has nothing to do with relligion

Interestingly, the Good Friday Agreement aslo makes the following provisions, among others:

* Recognition of the birthright of all the people of Northern Ireland to identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both, as they may so choose; and

What did you do before Wikipedia?

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By *uton_coupleCouple
over a year ago

luton

"the government will be happy to foot the bill

it suits there purpose that huge segments of the population are subservient to the catholic faith , who,s followers are god fearing

they like the fact that the populous are happy to be told what to do , and what is wrong or right

have you ever wondered why it is that say tony blair , and all the other PM,s before and after go to church every sunday ?

and why it is obama in the usa goes aswell ?

its funny now tony has resigned he dont bother to go LOL ...... just like me he knows its a right load of bull shit LOL

for centuries the government have been aligned with the church in its various guises and that continues today

even though every aspect of ALL religions have been proved to be ficticious , or impossible , one can only be amazed at how many still "believe"

every story in the bible has been shown to be drived from natuaral events or occurences , and creationism has been shown to be hogwash and poppycock , dreamed up by someone no doubt on drugs

the pope and all the others like him should be burned at the stake

i agree with what you say

so slightly perplexed

i should point out tho that it was not a religious order that invaded and anexed northern ireland , it was the united kingdom trying to expand its empire

the fact that they were of a different religion is neither here or there

ask any supporter of "the cause" and they will tell you there arguement is the fact they are anexed , it really has nothing to do with relligion

in the second world war did we say during the battle of britain "stand fast men we will not give in to the catholics"

no it was the "germans" that we called them , the fact that they were mainly catholic made no difference what so ever

just as in northern ireland

I think you have lost it on this one. The point you made was that the Govt liked religion to keep people in place.

Also your so so far across with Tony Blair and the church it's untrue. He goes more now than he ever did

When he left his role as PM he converted to the catholic faith. I if you ever go in for Marstermind don't take politics or the life and times of Tony Blair as your specialist subject

if i know one thing about tony blair its that he is a clever bloke

and as a clever bloke im fecking sure he dont believe in angels , or a god in heaven with a big white beard

so i can only conclude that he maintains an interest in religion for some altirier motive

as regards northern ireland what gives me the right to express my opinion on it ?

well its not because i looked it up on wikepedia

i can speak about northern ireland because i worked with paddys on the building game for years , at the time i lived in kilburn and drank either in the black lion or biddy mulligans every night , apart from reading the Anphoblacht newspaper every week ,and having to put in the collection pot when the republican collectors came round , also at the end of every evening having to put my hand on my heart and sing the national anthem , i was lectured to continuously on politics from those that eminate from the place

later in life i both lived and worked in dundalk

my conclusion that the troubles are caused by the brits invading northern ireland , and that the fact the invaders were of a different religion are the cause of all the bitterness are based on those thousands of conversations i have had over the years

( with paddys )

and not some propaganda put about by tom dick or harry

like i say when the germans took over the channel islands in WW2 the people there did not call it sectarian troubles , there problem was not the fact that catholics were living on there island

there problem was the fact the place was crawling with GERMANS

just because in northern island the people have all had to get on with it for generation after generation , it is the fact that they were "invaded" that gets up there nose , not the fact the invaders are protestant

you talk about tony blair converting

do you think that if all the protestants in northern ireland converted overnight to catholocism the troubles would cease ?

not a fecking chance

read those murals on the side of the houses and you will see a lot that say

END BRITISH RULE

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the government will be happy to foot the bill

it suits there purpose that huge segments of the population are subservient to the catholic faith , who,s followers are god fearing

they like the fact that the populous are happy to be told what to do , and what is wrong or right

have you ever wondered why it is that say tony blair , and all the other PM,s before and after go to church every sunday ?

and why it is obama in the usa goes aswell ?

its funny now tony has resigned he dont bother to go LOL ...... just like me he knows its a right load of bull shit LOL

for centuries the government have been aligned with the church in its various guises and that continues today

even though every aspect of ALL religions have been proved to be ficticious , or impossible , one can only be amazed at how many still "believe"

every story in the bible has been shown to be drived from natuaral events or occurences , and creationism has been shown to be hogwash and poppycock , dreamed up by someone no doubt on drugs

the pope and all the others like him should be burned at the stake

i agree with what you say

so slightly perplexed

i should point out tho that it was not a religious order that invaded and anexed northern ireland , it was the united kingdom trying to expand its empire

the fact that they were of a different religion is neither here or there

ask any supporter of "the cause" and they will tell you there arguement is the fact they are anexed , it really has nothing to do with relligion

in the second world war did we say during the battle of britain "stand fast men we will not give in to the catholics"

no it was the "germans" that we called them , the fact that they were mainly catholic made no difference what so ever

just as in northern ireland"
im sorry as i have family who are irish and know alot who live in north and south, it is all about religion, thats what the people living it think, and it doesnt matter how many history books say diff

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"What did you do before Wikipedia?"

What the has that got to do with anything. WikiPedia exists as a source of research, among other places, and if I am not 100% sure about something I double check it. Now, it does seem a tad silly to retype something that's already been typed out nicely by someone else so a Copy & Paste function suits my needs perfectly, with a little bit of editing on my part to rearrange the wording to include the specifics we're discussing on here.

So, bearing all that in mind... may I suggest that if you want to snipe....

... join the fucking army.

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"What did you do before Wikipedia?

So, bearing all that in mind... may I suggest that if you want to snipe....

... join the fucking army.

is anything in wiki true tho?

all the things ive looked up that i have a good knowlage off ive found to be often wide of the mark?

this isnt a snipe just a question

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"What did you do before Wikipedia?

So, bearing all that in mind... may I suggest that if you want to snipe....

... join the fucking army.

Touchy?

(look it up if you're not sure what it means)

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"is anything in wiki true tho?

all the things ive looked up that i have a good knowlage off ive found to be often wide of the mark?

this isnt a snipe just a question"

Some info in Wiki is innaccurate but I double check anything I'm not sure of with other sources. Things like the Good Friday Agreement are a matter of historical significance and the documentation for it is freely available. So to answer your question:

It's a bit like the saying that everything in the Daily Mail is made up bullshit. An urban myth.

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over a year ago

well i believe everything the mail write, they wouldnt lie to me .....would they

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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago

Up North :-)

"the government will be happy to foot the bill

it suits there purpose that huge segments of the population are subservient to the catholic faith , who,s followers are god fearing

they like the fact that the populous are happy to be told what to do , and what is wrong or right

have you ever wondered why it is that say tony blair , and all the other PM,s before and after go to church every sunday ?

and why it is obama in the usa goes aswell ?

its funny now tony has resigned he dont bother to go LOL ...... just like me he knows its a right load of bull shit LOL

for centuries the government have been aligned with the church in its various guises and that continues today

even though every aspect of ALL religions have been proved to be ficticious , or impossible , one can only be amazed at how many still "believe"

every story in the bible has been shown to be drived from natuaral events or occurences , and creationism has been shown to be hogwash and poppycock , dreamed up by someone no doubt on drugs

the pope and all the others like him should be burned at the stake

i agree with what you say

so slightly perplexed

i should point out tho that it was not a religious order that invaded and anexed northern ireland , it was the united kingdom trying to expand its empire

the fact that they were of a different religion is neither here or there

ask any supporter of "the cause" and they will tell you there arguement is the fact they are anexed , it really has nothing to do with relligion

in the second world war did we say during the battle of britain "stand fast men we will not give in to the catholics"

no it was the "germans" that we called them , the fact that they were mainly catholic made no difference what so ever

just as in northern ireland

I think you have lost it on this one. The point you made was that the Govt liked religion to keep people in place.

Also your so so far across with Tony Blair and the church it's untrue. He goes more now than he ever did

When he left his role as PM he converted to the catholic faith. I if you ever go in for Marstermind don't take politics or the life and times of Tony Blair as your specialist subject

if i know one thing about tony blair its that he is a clever bloke

and as a clever bloke im fecking sure he dont believe in angels , or a god in heaven with a big white beard

so i can only conclude that he maintains an interest in religion for some altirier motive

as regards northern ireland what gives me the right to express my opinion on it ?

well its not because i looked it up on wikepedia

later in life i both lived and worked in dundalk

( with paddys )

and not some propaganda put about by tom dick or harry

like i say when the germans took over the channel islands in WW2 the people there did not call it sectarian troubles , there problem was not the fact that catholics were living on there island

there problem was the fact the place was crawling with GERMANS

you talk about tony blair converting

do you think that if all the protestants in northern ireland converted overnight to catholocism the troubles would cease ?

not a fecking chance

read those murals on the side of the houses and you will see a lot that say

END BRITISH RULE"

Tony Blair by all accounts has found his god and being intelligent or not its his beliefs. Personally there is no reason I can see for him having an ulterior motive unless its some far fetched scheme to buy into Elvis’s and Jacko’s fish and chip shop.

Opinions your entitled to, they may be a little ary but hey David Ike has some good ones too. As for Ireland well 2 tours there gave me a very good feel for what was going on. I spent a lot of time talking to both Catholics and protestants and there was real hatred. The British govt would have found it far easier if all were atheists as religion can and has been used as a rallying point against governments for many years. Governments do not like organised religions, China have tried to suppress it, the USSR and the eastern block did too. Even the Axis powers in WW2 attempted to suppress the power of the church.

The fact is governments in the main do not like religion as it splits loyalty between religion and the state.

As for conversion to Catholicism I wasn’t insinuating that if the Catholics converted in Ireland there would be no trouble. I was pointing out that your _iew on Tony and going to church less now was so far off the mark and out of touch.

And for the record they are not Paddys they are Irish citizens and very few are stereotypical road workers!

And the murals say Brits out on some but equally they say long live the monarchy.

Google the Orangemen and it may give you more incite into this matter, and you will find Northern Ireland is still full of religious tension.

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thanks big for proving my point when i couldnt be arsed to xxxxxxx

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"well i believe everything the mail write, they wouldnt lie to me .....would they"

No more so than any other tabloid looking to sell papers. But, they are ALL subject to laws that say they can't print lies without some sort of comeback. And yes, I know the Mail has had some pretty hefty payouts over the years. Do I trust it? No, not without checking it's accuracy. Do I trust Wiki? Yes, on some things, like historical documents that to alter them would serve no purpose as they can be disputed very very easily.

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"well i believe everything the mail write, they wouldnt lie to me .....would they"

Of course they wouldnt. The people who write it actually believe it as well.

Which is even scarier.

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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago

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If you two get it on can i watch? It would be so fiery and some of the best sex to watch ever!

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over a year ago

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"the government will be happy to foot the bill

it suits there purpose that huge segments of the population are subservient to the catholic faith , who,s followers are god fearing

they like the fact that the populous are happy to be told what to do , and what is wrong or right

have you ever wondered why it is that say tony blair , and all the other PM,s before and after go to church every sunday ?

and why it is obama in the usa goes aswell ?

its funny now tony has resigned he dont bother to go LOL ...... just like me he knows its a right load of bull shit LOL

for centuries the government have been aligned with the church in its various guises and that continues today

even though every aspect of ALL religions have been proved to be ficticious , or impossible , one can only be amazed at how many still "believe"

every story in the bible has been shown to be drived from natuaral events or occurences , and creationism has been shown to be hogwash and poppycock , dreamed up by someone no doubt on drugs

the pope and all the others like him should be burned at the stake

i agree with what you say

so slightly perplexed

i should point out tho that it was not a religious order that invaded and anexed northern ireland , it was the united kingdom trying to expand its empire

the fact that they were of a different religion is neither here or there

ask any supporter of "the cause" and they will tell you there arguement is the fact they are anexed , it really has nothing to do with relligion

in the second world war did we say during the battle of britain "stand fast men we will not give in to the catholics"

no it was the "germans" that we called them , the fact that they were mainly catholic made no difference what so ever

just as in northern ireland

I think you have lost it on this one. The point you made was that the Govt liked religion to keep people in place.

Also your so so far across with Tony Blair and the church it's untrue. He goes more now than he ever did

When he left his role as PM he converted to the catholic faith. I if you ever go in for Marstermind don't take politics or the life and times of Tony Blair as your specialist subject

if i know one thing about tony blair its that he is a clever bloke

and as a clever bloke im fecking sure he dont believe in angels , or a god in heaven with a big white beard

so i can only conclude that he maintains an interest in religion for some altirier motive

as regards northern ireland what gives me the right to express my opinion on it ?

well its not because i looked it up on wikepedia

later in life i both lived and worked in dundalk

( with paddys )

and not some propaganda put about by tom dick or harry

like i say when the germans took over the channel islands in WW2 the people there did not call it sectarian troubles , there problem was not the fact that catholics were living on there island

there problem was the fact the place was crawling with GERMANS

you talk about tony blair converting

do you think that if all the protestants in northern ireland converted overnight to catholocism the troubles would cease ?

not a fecking chance

read those murals on the side of the houses and you will see a lot that say

END BRITISH RULE

The fact is governments in the main do not like religion as it splits loyalty between religion and the state.

And for the record they are not Paddys they are Irish citizens and very few are stereotypical road workers!

And the murals say Brits out on some but equally they say long live the monarchy.

Google the Orangemen and it may give you more incite into this matter, and you will find Northern Ireland is still full of religious tension.

It's always very noticeable how careful everyone is with their language when Question Time comes from Belfast.

The peace there has been a long time coming and is still in it's embryonic stages. There are those on both sides who would happily see an end to it for their own political and/or criminal ends.

But it's not what the people want. The people want peace. They want to be catholics and protestants as well. But they want to see their children be able to walk to school freely.

Who wouldnt.

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of course they want peace who wouldnt, its people like paisley who i was apalled to see was honered recently who stir it up

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"If you two get it on can i watch? It would be so fiery and some of the best sex to watch ever!

But.... but.... he's...... SCOTTISH!

Don't be so obscene! I like good wholesome firey Irish terrorist-type peeps, or Welsh nationalists - now THEY know how to show an invading member a good time!!

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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago

Up North :-)

"If you two get it on can i watch? It would be so fiery and some of the best sex to watch ever!

But.... but.... he's...... SCOTTISH!

Don't be so obscene! I like good wholesome firey Irish terrorist-type peeps, or Welsh nationalists - now THEY know how to show an invading member a good time!!

The welsh your best not haning at yours as they like a good fire i have herd. The scotts are lovley though they let us have thier oil and park our neaucular subs up there.

Besides he seems like a very nice boy.

The welsh your best not having at yours as they like a good fire i have herd. The Scots are lovely though they let us have their oil and park our nuclear subs up there.

Besides he seems like a very nice boy and wants peace an love. Sounds good to me

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By *ixson-BallsMan
over a year ago

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for what is worth,heres my twopenneth........

i don't mind the cost of the popes visit...

spectacles,testicles,wallet and watch

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"If you two get it on can i watch? It would be so fiery and some of the best sex to watch ever!

But.... but.... he's...... SCOTTISH!

Don't be so obscene! I like good wholesome firey Irish terrorist-type peeps, or Welsh nationalists - now THEY know how to show an invading member a good time!!

The welsh your best not haning at yours as they like a good fire i have herd. The scotts are lovley though they let us have thier oil and park our neaucular subs up there.

Besides he seems like a very nice boy.

The welsh your best not having at yours as they like a good fire i have herd. The Scots are lovely though they let us have their oil and park our nuclear subs up there.

Besides he seems like a very nice boy and wants peace an love. Sounds good to me

I'll have a pint of whatever Big Bad is drinking.

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"for what is worth,heres my twopenneth........

i agree although i am very anti religion, i can see the hope it brings to many, and 12m is a drop compaired to the other thing our lovely un voted for gov are wasting, and atleast this might give some alittle joy

i don't mind the cost of the popes visit...

spectacles,testicles,wallet and watch

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"The welsh your best not having at yours as they like a good fire i have herd. The Scots are lovely though they let us have their oil and park our nuclear subs up there.

Besides he seems like a very nice boy and wants peace an love. Sounds good to me

SSSSHHHH!! FFS!... We haven't TOLD them about the nukes yet! Man, you're in deep shit!

....and as for the oil, well, if they can't fookin drink it, they got no use for it.

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"for what is worth,heres my twopenneth........

i don't mind the cost of the popes visit...

spectacles,testicles,wallet and watch

Two pence? Fook, best get the go cart out, El Popio is gonna need some wheels.

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By *ixson-BallsMan
over a year ago

Blackpool

El Popio is gonna need some wheels....

thought he was always carried everywhere

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

I note a lot (most) posters seem to think that the Pope should pay for his own security.

The Pope is the head of the Vatican state; he is coming here on a state visit and is therefore entitled to the same courtesies as would be granted to any other head of state visiting our country.

Would all those posters who say that the pope should pay for his own security say the same for any other head of state visiting this country, or be happy having to pay for the security of the queen or PM visiting foreign countries?

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over a year ago

This thread is going beyond the pontiff no return. I was going to get tickets to his tarmac-tonguing gig, but I don't have a PaPal account.

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"This thread is going beyond the pontiff no return. I was going to get tickets to his tarmac-tonguing gig, but I don't have a PaPal account. "

That's a couple of nice pontiffs you got there, can I worship in front of them please? Ta.

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By *icelymarkedMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

A lot of the comments here just show how easy it is to start a religious war. Personally I can't wait for the day when the aliens finally make contact and tell us we are the only race in the universe with religion!

As for the security - Any other state visitor would not go round the country gathering what will no doubt be thousands and thousands of believers in one place. UK should pay no more than they would if Obama came to visit (unlikely to be anywhere near 12 million) and let the vatican foot the rest.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

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Around 6 Million Catholics living in the UK so I would guess the visit is going to be very popular, that's £2 a head for each of the Catholic population...I would say that is a drop in the ocean out of their taxes.

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By *lassic1Man
over a year ago

bellshill

"of course they want peace who wouldnt, its people like paisley who i was apalled to see was honered recently who stir it up"

Was'nt it Gerry Adams who was firmly questioned many years ago ..."would you accept the democratic vote on the issue ?"

He replied....." yes' as long as it is in line with my _iews".....

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By *uton_coupleCouple
over a year ago

luton

"the government will be happy to foot the bill

it suits there purpose that huge segments of the population are subservient to the catholic faith , who,s followers are god fearing

they like the fact that the populous are happy to be told what to do , and what is wrong or right

have you ever wondered why it is that say tony blair , and all the other PM,s before and after go to church every sunday ?

and why it is obama in the usa goes aswell ?

its funny now tony has resigned he dont bother to go LOL ...... just like me he knows its a right load of bull shit LOL

for centuries the government have been aligned with the church in its various guises and that continues today

even though every aspect of ALL religions have been proved to be ficticious , or impossible , one can only be amazed at how many still "believe"

every story in the bible has been shown to be drived from natuaral events or occurences , and creationism has been shown to be hogwash and poppycock , dreamed up by someone no doubt on drugs

the pope and all the others like him should be burned at the stake

i agree with what you say

so slightly perplexed

i should point out tho that it was not a religious order that invaded and anexed northern ireland , it was the united kingdom trying to expand its empire

the fact that they were of a different religion is neither here or there

ask any supporter of "the cause" and they will tell you there arguement is the fact they are anexed , it really has nothing to do with relligion

in the second world war did we say during the battle of britain "stand fast men we will not give in to the catholics"

no it was the "germans" that we called them , the fact that they were mainly catholic made no difference what so ever

just as in northern ireland

I think you have lost it on this one. The point you made was that the Govt liked religion to keep people in place.

Also your so so far across with Tony Blair and the church it's untrue. He goes more now than he ever did

When he left his role as PM he converted to the catholic faith. I if you ever go in for Marstermind don't take politics or the life and times of Tony Blair as your specialist subject

if i know one thing about tony blair its that he is a clever bloke

and as a clever bloke im fecking sure he dont believe in angels , or a god in heaven with a big white beard

so i can only conclude that he maintains an interest in religion for some altirier motive

as regards northern ireland what gives me the right to express my opinion on it ?

well its not because i looked it up on wikepedia

later in life i both lived and worked in dundalk

( with paddys )

and not some propaganda put about by tom dick or harry

like i say when the germans took over the channel islands in WW2 the people there did not call it sectarian troubles , there problem was not the fact that catholics were living on there island

there problem was the fact the place was crawling with GERMANS

you talk about tony blair converting

do you think that if all the protestants in northern ireland converted overnight to catholocism the troubles would cease ?

not a fecking chance

read those murals on the side of the houses and you will see a lot that say

END BRITISH RULE

The fact is governments in the main do not like religion as it splits loyalty between religion and the state.

And for the record they are not Paddys they are Irish citizens and very few are stereotypical road workers!

And the murals say Brits out on some but equally they say long live the monarchy.

Google the Orangemen and it may give you more incite into this matter, and you will find Northern Ireland is still full of religious tension.

well its not worth getting embroiled in the northern ireland debate because veiws on the subject are so partisan and there will NEVER be harmony

i would just say something about calling an irishman a paddy

they themselves use the term paddy

one example i remember is when talking to a group of paddys , and we were talking about the bloke that was serving behind the bar

i said something like , he is a paddy

they then said NO

his parents are irish , and he was born here in UK , and although he looks like a paddy , talks like a paddy , he is in fact a PLASTIC paddy

so proud were they of the word paddy , they felt the tittle should not be bestowed on the barman

there are however circumstances when they take offence

they dont like being told to stand against the wall and spread there legs , while a rifle is pointed at them and someone says "dont fucking move paddy"

or , here comes the thick paddy etc

its only the same as me being called a brit , when in a bar in spain

i have no problem with it

but if they say , here comes the hooligan brit , i take offence

and then nut em !!!

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By *uss PussWoman
over a year ago

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£12 million

have they not heard of late rooms.com?

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over a year ago

"........So to answer your question:

It's a bit like the saying that everything in the Daily Mail is made up bullshit. An urban myth."

It's seldom more than 80-85% bullshit these days.

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"........So to answer your question:

It's a bit like the saying that everything in the Daily Mail is made up bullshit. An urban myth.

It's seldom more than 80-85% bullshit these days."

According to the Daily Mails figures.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"the government will be happy to foot the bill

it suits there purpose that huge segments of the population are subservient to the catholic faith , who,s followers are god fearing

they like the fact that the populous are happy to be told what to do , and what is wrong or right

have you ever wondered why it is that say tony blair , and all the other PM,s before and after go to church every sunday ?

and why it is obama in the usa goes aswell ?

its funny now tony has resigned he dont bother to go LOL ...... just like me he knows its a right load of bull shit LOL

for centuries the government have been aligned with the church in its various guises and that continues today

even though every aspect of ALL religions have been proved to be ficticious , or impossible , one can only be amazed at how many still "believe"

every story in the bible has been shown to be drived from natuaral events or occurences , and creationism has been shown to be hogwash and poppycock , dreamed up by someone no doubt on drugs

the pope and all the others like him should be burned at the stake

i agree with what you say

so slightly perplexed

i should point out tho that it was not a religious order that invaded and anexed northern ireland , it was the united kingdom trying to expand its empire

the fact that they were of a different religion is neither here or there

ask any supporter of "the cause" and they will tell you there arguement is the fact they are anexed , it really has nothing to do with relligion

in the second world war did we say during the battle of britain "stand fast men we will not give in to the catholics"

no it was the "germans" that we called them , the fact that they were mainly catholic made no difference what so ever

just as in northern ireland

I think you have lost it on this one. The point you made was that the Govt liked religion to keep people in place.

Also your so so far across with Tony Blair and the church it's untrue. He goes more now than he ever did

When he left his role as PM he converted to the catholic faith. I if you ever go in for Marstermind don't take politics or the life and times of Tony Blair as your specialist subject

if i know one thing about tony blair its that he is a clever bloke

and as a clever bloke im fecking sure he dont believe in angels , or a god in heaven with a big white beard

so i can only conclude that he maintains an interest in religion for some altirier motive

as regards northern ireland what gives me the right to express my opinion on it ?

well its not because i looked it up on wikepedia

later in life i both lived and worked in dundalk

( with paddys )

and not some propaganda put about by tom dick or harry

like i say when the germans took over the channel islands in WW2 the people there did not call it sectarian troubles , there problem was not the fact that catholics were living on there island

there problem was the fact the place was crawling with GERMANS

you talk about tony blair converting

do you think that if all the protestants in northern ireland converted overnight to catholocism the troubles would cease ?

not a fecking chance

read those murals on the side of the houses and you will see a lot that say

END BRITISH RULE

The fact is governments in the main do not like religion as it splits loyalty between religion and the state.

And for the record they are not Paddys they are Irish citizens and very few are stereotypical road workers!

And the murals say Brits out on some but equally they say long live the monarchy.

Google the Orangemen and it may give you more incite into this matter, and you will find Northern Ireland is still full of religious tension.

well its not worth getting embroiled in the northern ireland debate because veiws on the subject are so partisan and there will NEVER be harmony

i would just say something about calling an irishman a paddy

they themselves use the term paddy

one example i remember is when talking to a group of paddys , and we were talking about the bloke that was serving behind the bar

i said something like , he is a paddy

they then said NO

his parents are irish , and he was born here in UK , and although he looks like a paddy , talks like a paddy , he is in fact a PLASTIC paddy

so proud were they of the word paddy , they felt the tittle should not be bestowed on the barman

there are however circumstances when they take offence

they dont like being told to stand against the wall and spread there legs , while a rifle is pointed at them and someone says "dont fucking move paddy"

or , here comes the thick paddy etc

its only the same as me being called a brit , when in a bar in spain

i have no problem with it

but if they say , here comes the hooligan brit , i take offence

and then nut em !!!

Bring on Global Warming. Bandwidth causes heat.

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Blimey did ya quote the whole thread then?? xx

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

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On occasions it seems to be the done thing.

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"Blimey did ya quote the whole thread then?? xx

Some folk missed the class on precis!!

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over a year ago

Get it spent on the POPE! save some for me! lol

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over a year ago

Ayrshire

" Unfortunate for the Irish, but then they were used to invading forces.

The Normas tried it centuries earlier "

Dead dangerous , these women called Norma! Just ask John Major!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

or Frank Gallagher

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By *cotscple4funCouple
over a year ago

lanarkshire

"Is it right the British Govt pay £12 million for the pope’s visit?

Or could that money be better spent on other things?

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12 million on security isnt bad as long as the kids are safe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah! get the fucker spent! lol

but save some for food! ie KFC lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the government will be happy to foot the bill

it suits there purpose that huge segments of the population are subservient to the catholic faith , who,s followers are god fearing

they like the fact that the populous are happy to be told what to do , and what is wrong or right

have you ever wondered why it is that say tony blair , and all the other PM,s before and after go to church every sunday ?

and why it is obama in the usa goes aswell ?

its funny now tony has resigned he dont bother to go LOL ...... just like me he knows its a right load of bull shit LOL

for centuries the government have been aligned with the church in its various guises and that continues today

even though every aspect of ALL religions have been proved to be ficticious , or impossible , one can only be amazed at how many still "believe"

every story in the bible has been shown to be drived from natuaral events or occurences , and creationism has been shown to be hogwash and poppycock , dreamed up by someone no doubt on drugs

the pope and all the others like him should be burned at the stake

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It's easy to blame religion for Northern Ireland's troubles! but its an easy excuse for alot of people who where making money from the troubles, and it was easy to blame religion!Being born an reared in N.I since birth i speak with some knowledge. Billy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the government will be happy to foot the bill

it suits there purpose that huge segments of the population are subservient to the catholic faith , who,s followers are god fearing

they like the fact that the populous are happy to be told what to do , and what is wrong or right

have you ever wondered why it is that say tony blair , and all the other PM,s before and after go to church every sunday ?

and why it is obama in the usa goes aswell ?

its funny now tony has resigned he dont bother to go LOL ...... just like me he knows its a right load of bull shit LOL

for centuries the government have been aligned with the church in its various guises and that continues today

even though every aspect of ALL religions have been proved to be ficticious , or impossible , one can only be amazed at how many still "believe"

every story in the bible has been shown to be drived from natuaral events or occurences , and creationism has been shown to be hogwash and poppycock , dreamed up by someone no doubt on drugs

the pope and all the others like him should be burned at the stake

It's easy to blame religion for Northern Ireland's troubles! but its an easy excuse for alot of people who where making money from the troubles, and it was easy to blame religion!Being born an reared in N.I since birth i speak with some knowledge. Billy "

Yeah thats rite billy i agree:

regards:

terry bull.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont think the government should send money it should be down to collections and public donations. Then if you like you can contribute and if you dont then you keep your money in your pocket. That way everyone is happy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Come on u taxpayers!

buy us a curry im starving! lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The catholic church is a dire machine creating human misery and inflicting its religious _iews on billions over the years. For our government to finance or provide protection for what is essential a fan building exercise or at worst a huge collection plate is vomit inducing to the extreme. The kings of England rid us of Catholic oppression replacing it with a Protestant church. There is there for no reason for the pontiff to grace our shores.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tax payers forking out for religionTax payers forking out for religion!

WE "SHOULD" PAY INSTEAD! LOL

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tax payers forking out for religionTax payers forking out for religion!

WE "SHOULD" PAY INSTEAD! LOL

Now this is not a frivolous thread its more of a serious matter. Feel free to join in if you have a point to make but maybe you should keep the humour to other threads.

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over a year ago

"Tax payers forking out for religionTax payers forking out for religion!

WE "SHOULD" PAY INSTEAD! LOL

Now this is not a frivolous thread its more of a serious matter. Feel free to join in if you have a point to make but maybe you should keep the humour to other threads."

I think it should just stand as it is everyone pay tax as it is n carry on as normal..

ahem!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The catholic church is a dire machine creating human misery and inflicting its religious _iews on billions over the years. For our government to finance or provide protection for what is essential a fan building exercise or at worst a huge collection plate is vomit inducing to the extreme. The kings of England rid us of Catholic oppression replacing it with a Protestant church. There is there for no reason for the pontiff to grace our shores."

Religion has a very important role to play in humanity. Whether you believe in God or not, religion acts as a moral compass for billions of people across the world and if you take away that moral compass you are left with billions of people who have no idea in which direction to travel. Chaos would quickly ensue. The Church does do a lot of good, but we only ever hear about paedophile catholic priests from sensationalist media rags. I'm not saying we shouldn't expose these evil ministers but they are not indicative of Catholism as a whole. The Catholic Church is forever evolving, engaging with science to incorporate it's _iew on The Creation with what sicence is uncovering about our universe. We are not ready to discount God in favour of a scientific explanation that culminates in the disqualification of God as nothing more than a fantasy-figure of hope. I do believe that Christianity is one of the most stable of the world religions, alongside Buddhism, but Islam as a whole still cannot stand up to the minutest of scrutiny and dismiss anti-Islam programmes, articles and books for what they really are: the personal _iew of the author or director.

I am an agnostic - not to be confused with an atheist - and until such time that science DOES disprove the existence of God I will remain an agnostic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What angers most right-thinking folk (and I exclude religious believers from that category) about the Catholic church isn't that it has many paedophilic priests in its ranks - many large organisations will employ a paedophile or that it had/ has? known bombers in its ranks - it can't be the only one and so on.

It's the fact that the church steadfastly refused and refuses to do anything about it perferring, as they do, to worry more about the status of the church than the plight of the victims.

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"What angers most right-thinking folk (and I exclude religious believers from that category) about the Catholic church isn't that it has many paedophilic priests in its ranks - many large organisations will employ a paedophile or that it had/ has? known bombers in its ranks - it can't be the only one and so on.

It's the fact that the church steadfastly refused and refuses to do anything about it perferring, as they do, to worry more about the status of the church than the plight of the victims."

Nah.

If Geopolitics in the 1950/60's was about the "domino theory" i.e if one country in south east asia falls to communism, so will next ect...

..then the catholic church and child abuse in the present day is about the "can of worms" theory;

Q. Why do Priests have sex with children?

A. Because they must remain celibate.

Q. What's that?

A. They are not allowed to have sex with adults.

Q. Why not?

A. Because God said so.

Q. Can we speak to God about this then?

A. Erm...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well i think its crazy!!!

im gonna ignore the full she-bang argument here n just say:

let them carry on with it!!

we pay our tax,,n they pay theirs!

simples.

*gets back in Modified coffin with flat screen tv*

lol

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Six million Catholics in Britain might see it differently.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Six million Catholics in Britain might see it differently....."

Six million Chritians in Britain might see it differently(not terry) lol

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Six million Catholics in Britain might see it differently....."

To be honest i was more concerned with the example given of catholic oppression being replaced by a (famously laissez-faire)protestant church.

By a hereditary monarchy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The church is so wealthy ........he should pay his own way. Or at least gp dutch

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The church is so wealthy ........he should pay his own way. Or at least gp dutch

Yeah i agree with that!

but wots this GP?

grand prix? lol

ginger pubes? lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Six million Catholics in Britain might see it differently....."

They might well see it differently - but they'd be wrong.

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over a year ago

They might well see it differently - but they'd be right.

(us chritians)

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

As far as i understand, the £12m is a contribution by the Government to the total costs of some £30m or so. Presumably the followers are stumping up the rest. I'm happy for taxation to pay towards such a visit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The argument used for UK Government funding any part of this junket is the it is a State Visit.

Whilst the Vatican is technically a state in its own right it doesn't meet any of the genuine undelying reasons for State Visits which have historically been a way of maintaining good relations in the hope of securing wartime allies or not making potential wartime enemies.

Impressive as the Swiss Guard are I doubt anyone seriously thinks they're a risk to peace on mainland Europe (or beyond).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

£12 million is not much, they should add another £2 million and include a trip to Northern Ireland

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over a year ago

"£12 million is not much, they should add another £2 million and include a trip to Northern Ireland"

Would it cost extra to get to NI? Can't he walk on water (or was that the other one?)

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over a year ago

"£12 million is not much, they should add another £2 million and include a trip to Northern Ireland"
Is he not going to Northern Ireland then? I would have thought there would be a lot more Catholics there.

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over a year ago

"£12 million is not much, they should add another £2 million and include a trip to Northern IrelandIs he not going to Northern Ireland then? I would have thought there would be a lot more Catholics there."

England, Wales and Scotland

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

England, Wales and Scotland

That's so unfair.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

England, Wales and Scotland

That's so unfair. "

It so is. If i lived on the Isles of Whight or Mann i'd withhold my taxes in protest.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

next poster remove the h for me , tvm.

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

England, Wales and Scotland

That's so unfair.

It so is. If i lived on the Isles of Wight or Mann i'd withhold my taxes in protest."

Nice to see a greart understanding of the situation in Northern Ireland on here.

I'm sure the Pope would have LOVED to have gone to visit the catholic population in Ulster.

Probably just a "scheduling" thing.

(and if you lived in Wight or Man, you'd be making enough £ not to have to speak to the likes of us)

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Six million Catholics in Britain might see it differently.....

They might well see it differently - but they'd be wrong. "

Just because the majority religious following in Britain is Protestant, it doesn't make other churches and religions any less worthy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Religon is a blooming marvellous thing!!!

to which is i say:

I DONT MIND PAYING 4 IT...

ITS A WONDERFUL THING THAT EACH N EVERY GOD GAVE US N IM IN FULL SUPPORT OF PAYING 4 RELIGON!!

its blooming wonderful.

god is king!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just because the majority religious following in Britain is Protestant, it doesn't make other churches and religions any less worthy."

Religion is the opium of the masses (Marx).

The punters are misled by paid liars.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any one fancy going to an X rated comedy show?

The guy is hilarious. Racist, homophobic, cross dresser - tells bizarre made up stories that people actually believe. Hates Jews, loves paedophiles and Nazis. Should be a laugh.

Anyway it's next Thursday at Bellahouston Park, Glasgow.

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over a year ago

Yeah id love too!

that be bloody good fun! lol

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By *cotscple4funCouple
over a year ago

lanarkshire

It's the fact that the church steadfastly refused and refuses to do anything about it perferring, as they do, to worry more about the status of the church than the plight of the victims."
well said

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over a year ago

It's the fact that the church steadfastly refused and refuses to do anything about it perferring, as they do, to worry more about the status of the church than the plight of the victims.well said

Yea ....here here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We cant even afford to have the streetlamps on at night and we are shelling out to have the Pope here.

Why doesnt he pay for himself to come like any other tourist he can afford it.

Anyway can I pay for my papal goods on paypal?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Get it paid 4! lol

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By *o DaddyMan
over a year ago

Worcestershire

could not get a ticket for the gig at cofton park so will take my foldaway camping chair and wait with the crowds along the hagley road instead,should be good afternoon and better than watching footballers with over inflated egos kick a ball around and play act that they been hit in order to get an opposition player sent off.

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Just because the majority religious following in Britain is Protestant, it doesn't make other churches and religions any less worthy.

Religion is the opium of the masses (Marx).

The punters are misled by paid liars."

See "BGT", X-Factor etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just because the majority religious following in Britain is Protestant, it doesn't make other churches and religions any less worthy.

Religion is the opium of the masses (Marx).

The punters are misled by paid liars.

See "BGT", X-Factor etc"

Pretty much. Shite comes in many forms. Religion and crap telly are fine examples.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i blame him anyway.....he's a tory! lol

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