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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Following on from Luton_Couple's post on the 'Scroungers' thread regarding his view on China's one child policy being implented over here, I thought it warranted it's own discussion.

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First, the facts:

China's one child policy was established by Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping in 1979 to limit communist China's population growth. Although designated a "temporary measure," it continues a quarter-century after its establishment. The policy limits couples to one child. Fines, pressures to abort a pregnancy, and even forced sterilization accompanied second or subsequent pregnancies.

It is not an all-encompassing rule because it has always been restricted to ethnic Han Chinese living in urban areas. Citizens living in rural areas and minorities living in China are not subject to the law. However, the rule has been estimated to have reduced population growth in the country of 1.3 billion by as much as 300 million people over its first twenty years.

This rule has caused a disdain for female infants; abortion, neglect, abandonment, and even infanticide have been known to occur to female infants. The result of such Draconian family planning has resulted in the disparate ratio of 114 males for every 100 females among babies from birth through children four years of age. Normally, 105 males are naturally born for every 100 females.

Now that millions of sibling-less people in China are now young adults in or nearing their child-bearing years, a special provision allows millions of couples to have two children legally. If a couple is composed of two people without siblings, then they may have two children of their own, thus preventing too dramatic of a population decrease.

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That kind of negates the argument for offspring restriction, it's far too draconian for it to be a blanket policy strictly enforced, but maybe some sort of concession for those who volunteer to undergo sterilisation could be found.

Siren's gagging for another child so I guess we won't be moving to China in a hurry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

suits me just fine already have one child (teenager) no more wanted or planned

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well our second is due any day now and that will be it for us.

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By *andKCouple
over a year ago

Norfolk

If I had known what caused the first one there wouldn't have been a second! and yes we took the sterilisation route voluntarily, even paid for it ourselves. No scrounging here lol

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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago

warwickshire


"If I had known what caused the first one there wouldn't have been a second! "

Bloody hell, did they not teach you anything in Biology at school? (I believe it has something to do with shagging)

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford


"If I had known what caused the first one there wouldn't have been a second!

Bloody hell, did they not teach you anything in Biology at school? (I believe it has something to do with shagging) "

No disrespect to A & K at all, but most unwanted pregnancies used to be down to ignorance.

Nowaadays i suppose you could blame alcohol and ignorance.

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By *uton_coupleCouple
over a year ago

luton

i can only go by what i have learned by talking to people when ive visited places like beijing xong xing shanghei , and many other places i cant be bothered to try and spell lol

in the urban areas you have to "apply" to have a child ...... you are then ( if succsesfull ) are given a ( window ) of time where you can try for it

if you dont concieve thats it

you have to re apply for another chance

they are able to have this power over the poulation , for if you deviate the tax man comes down on you like a ton of bricks , this does not allow the rich to escape because they would be taxed "pro rater"

of course this does not apply to the rural areas as the power of the tax man is almost non existent

so although it has apparantly worked to some degree , its just not enough

at the moment i have 2 grandchildren ( from 1 of my 3 daughters ) even if they only go on to have 2 each that will make 6

so if ive got that right 2 people turn into 6 people in about 35 years

and as the "parents" are all still alive that makes 11 ( depending on how you look at it )

whatever the maths , its not really important if world population doubles in 20 , 25 , or 30 years

what is important is that it WILL double

the politicians need to get there heads out of there backsides , and stop worrying about who taped who,s phone , or who hacked into there voicemail

it is VITAL this population issue is addressed

even if it is political suicide someone needs to bite the bullet

going back to what was said earlier about rural chinese being left out of the restricted family system , this could be solved by offering cash incentives to all those who step up to be sterilised ON A WORLD WIDE SYSTEM

sorry to repeat myself but we either address the problem now at our ease , or do it in 30 years at our peril , because by then all law and order could be in disarray

im just glad i wont be here in 20 or so years to see it

my time will be over then and all i will need to worry about is wether to be cremated , burried , or turned into soylent green

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By *andKCouple
over a year ago

Norfolk

I really do wish some of you peeps would get the irony of some most of my posts!

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By *ruitWoman
over a year ago

near kings lynn

I cant say I have ever really thought about it or known about it but I have in the past thought of all the 3rd world families who have many children as most of the children die from disease,malnutrition.... I think if they knew how to use birth control(dont expect they do???) or were limited then the deaths wouldnt happen, and kids wouldnt suffer and the population would slow down and maybe something can be improved.

I honestly know nout about the way it works and reasons why and ow to change things. But I know if I had a very high chance of every baby I had would be desperately ill and suffer beyond what anyone should go through, then I know full well, I would stop having kids, get sterisised and then stop the suffering. Just my opinion.

I hate seeing the children on tv, suffering from disease and dying. Just wish they would try help themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Perhaps if the issue of imigration was solved then we'd have a better chance at solving the issue of multiple births in a society that is straining at the seams. Finally the government have capped the number of immigrants allowed in but that does not solve the issues caused by those already here.

While I am sympathetic to the problems faced in their home land and their reasons at wanting to claim asylum in a country that is safe, perhaps there should be a clause in there that says 'you can come, but you can't breed'

And before I'm accused of being 'ist' that also applies to the one's 'born & bred' in this country. The British folk that continue to knock kids out left right & centre & expect the tax payers to foot the bill. They're the ones that cripple our health system, empty the pockets of the tax payer and over crowd our schools. All the while slumping off to the post office each Tuesday morning in their pyjama's & ugg boots with dirty children screaming for their daily sweet fix. They get their money, put the gas & electric on the meter then slide over to the cigarette counter for the 60 regal kingsize that will fuck their lungs up before they demand health care for their cancer & childs asthma.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if you cant feed them dont have them its no rocket science!

in this country we have contraception freely available its just some muppets cant use it!

you can get condoms in most places now even ladies toilets (bloody embarrassing explaining to a small child but no time like the present i suppose) you get them free in a nice wee bag from any family planning clinics even in the sticks around here ! also other options but noooooo people still insist on breeding like bloody rabbits and havin the rest of us pay for the privelege!

as for family sizes, i refer to my opening line!

signed single parent of one who now has contraception truely sussed out!!

as for the population increase, doesnt effect me i live in an area with dwindiling population and more older than younger x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Perhaps if the issue of imigration was solved then we'd have a better chance at solving the issue of multiple births in a society that is straining at the seams. Finally the government have capped the number of immigrants allowed in but that does not solve the issues caused by those already here.

While I am sympathetic to the problems faced in their home land and their reasons at wanting to claim asylum in a country that is safe, perhaps there should be a clause in there that says 'you can come, but you can't breed'

And before I'm accused of being 'ist' that also applies to the one's 'born & bred' in this country. The British folk that continue to knock kids out left right & centre & expect the tax payers to foot the bill. They're the ones that cripple our health system, empty the pockets of the tax payer and over crowd our schools. All the while slumping off to the post office each Tuesday morning in their pyjama's & ugg boots with dirty children screaming for their daily sweet fix. They get their money, put the gas & electric on the meter then slide over to the cigarette counter for the 60 regal kingsize that will fuck their lungs up before they demand health care for their cancer & childs asthma.

"

oi i wear jammies and ugg boots to go to the shop!! but im not a bru dwelling multiple breeder so its allowed!! x

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"Perhaps if the issue of imigration was solved then we'd have a better chance at solving the issue of multiple births in a society that is straining at the seams. Finally the government have capped the number of immigrants allowed in but that does not solve the issues caused by those already here.

While I am sympathetic to the problems faced in their home land and their reasons at wanting to claim asylum in a country that is safe, perhaps there should be a clause in there that says 'you can come, but you can't breed'

And before I'm accused of being 'ist' that also applies to the one's 'born & bred' in this country. The British folk that continue to knock kids out left right & centre & expect the tax payers to foot the bill. They're the ones that cripple our health system, empty the pockets of the tax payer and over crowd our schools. All the while slumping off to the post office each Tuesday morning in their pyjama's & ugg boots with dirty children screaming for their daily sweet fix. They get their money, put the gas & electric on the meter then slide over to the cigarette counter for the 60 regal kingsize that will fuck their lungs up before they demand health care for their cancer & childs asthma.

oi i wear jammies and ugg boots to go to the shop!! but im not a bru dwelling multiple breeder so its allowed!! x "

It's only allowed bcause you live West of the meridian line which divides civilised society from the rest in Scotland.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Perhaps if the issue of imigration was solved then we'd have a better chance at solving the issue of multiple births in a society that is straining at the seams. Finally the government have capped the number of immigrants allowed in but that does not solve the issues caused by those already here.

While I am sympathetic to the problems faced in their home land and their reasons at wanting to claim asylum in a country that is safe, perhaps there should be a clause in there that says 'you can come, but you can't breed'

And before I'm accused of being 'ist' that also applies to the one's 'born & bred' in this country. The British folk that continue to knock kids out left right & centre & expect the tax payers to foot the bill. They're the ones that cripple our health system, empty the pockets of the tax payer and over crowd our schools. All the while slumping off to the post office each Tuesday morning in their pyjama's & ugg boots with dirty children screaming for their daily sweet fix. They get their money, put the gas & electric on the meter then slide over to the cigarette counter for the 60 regal kingsize that will fuck their lungs up before they demand health care for their cancer & childs asthma.

oi i wear jammies and ugg boots to go to the shop!! but im not a bru dwelling multiple breeder so its allowed!! x

It's only allowed bcause you live West of the meridian line which divides civilised society from the rest in Scotland.

"

yes and im sure the only place you have culture is between your toes! x

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"Perhaps if the issue of imigration was solved then we'd have a better chance at solving the issue of multiple births in a society that is straining at the seams. Finally the government have capped the number of immigrants allowed in but that does not solve the issues caused by those already here.

While I am sympathetic to the problems faced in their home land and their reasons at wanting to claim asylum in a country that is safe, perhaps there should be a clause in there that says 'you can come, but you can't breed'

And before I'm accused of being 'ist' that also applies to the one's 'born & bred' in this country. The British folk that continue to knock kids out left right & centre & expect the tax payers to foot the bill. They're the ones that cripple our health system, empty the pockets of the tax payer and over crowd our schools. All the while slumping off to the post office each Tuesday morning in their pyjama's & ugg boots with dirty children screaming for their daily sweet fix. They get their money, put the gas & electric on the meter then slide over to the cigarette counter for the 60 regal kingsize that will fuck their lungs up before they demand health care for their cancer & childs asthma.

oi i wear jammies and ugg boots to go to the shop!! but im not a bru dwelling multiple breeder so its allowed!! x

It's only allowed bcause you live West of the meridian line which divides civilised society from the rest in Scotland.

yes and im sure the only place you have culture is between your toes! x"

Excuse me, madam. I've got yoghurt too.

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By *ig badMan
over a year ago

Up North :-)


"Following on from Luton_Couple's post on the 'Scroungers' thread regarding his view on China's one child policy being implented over here, I thought it warranted it's own discussion.

~

First, the facts:

China's one child policy was established by Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping in 1979 to limit communist China's population growth. Although designated a "temporary measure," it continues a quarter-century after its establishment. The policy limits couples to one child. Fines, pressures to abort a pregnancy, and even forced sterilization accompanied second or subsequent pregnancies.

It is not an all-encompassing rule because it has always been restricted to ethnic Han Chinese living in urban areas. Citizens living in rural areas and minorities living in China are not subject to the law. However, the rule has been estimated to have reduced population growth in the country of 1.3 billion by as much as 300 million people over its first twenty years.

This rule has caused a disdain for female infants; abortion, neglect, abandonment, and even infanticide have been known to occur to female infants. The result of such Draconian family planning has resulted in the disparate ratio of 114 males for every 100 females among babies from birth through children four years of age. Normally, 105 males are naturally born for every 100 females.

Now that millions of sibling-less people in China are now young adults in or nearing their child-bearing years, a special provision allows millions of couples to have two children legally. If a couple is composed of two people without siblings, then they may have two children of their own, thus preventing too dramatic of a population decrease.

~

That kind of negates the argument for offspring restriction, it's far too draconian for it to be a blanket policy strictly enforced, but maybe some sort of concession for those who volunteer to undergo sterilisation could be found.

Siren's gagging for another child so I guess we won't be moving to China in a hurry. "

We used to have wars they prevented population explosion and pestilence, disease, malnutrition etc etc which thank to the main no longer exists. But we get a dramatic increase in the population. So if we don't limit births there is only one answer to reduce the population..........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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oi i wear jammies and ugg boots to go to the shop!! but im not a bru dwelling multiple breeder so its allowed!! x

It's only allowed bcause you live West of the meridian line which divides civilised society from the rest in Scotland.

"

Civilised? From someone on the side of the country which put salt n sauce on their chips?????

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"at the moment i have 2 grandchildren ( from 1 of my 3 daughters ) even if they only go on to have 2 each that will make 6

so if ive got that right 2 people turn into 6 people in about 35 years

and as the "parents" are all still alive that makes 11 ( depending on how you look at it )

"

If you look at my family from my grandparents on just one side then my lovely ole nan & grandad are directly responsible for 92 people being alive today.

8 x children

24 x grandchildren

46 x g/grandchildren

14 x g/g/grandchildren

My grandparents were born c.1910 so now, 100 years later, they have multiplied by just over 4,500%

Ok. we have a BIG family lol, but if you average it out, the worldwide population increases by approx 1bn every 10-12 years.

China & India combined have almost 40% of the world's current population of 6.7bn people. The current growth rate is 1.10% or some 140mn people. Deaths account for 57mn people annually.

A decline in the growth rate in recent decades has led experts to predict that the 10-12 year population expansion gap will increase to 20-25 years per bn people upto 2050, which indicates a reduction in the growth rate.

Needless to say, that by 2100 the worldwide population will hit 12bn people, almost double than today's total. Scan forward 500 years and it's not rocket science to see that we will have outgrown this planet and will have to look for other worlds to colonise.

Nature has a funny old way of working things out and as our population increases so does our technical capabilities, so it's not inconceivable that we will have found another world, or maybe even terra-formed Mars to produce the food we need, but it can never be a realistic place for billions of people to live. We'll survive, if we haven't blown the place to smithereens by then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

While in theory I do think we shouldnt be spawning loads of children, the practicalities are something I would never want to think about.

I had my first child aged almost 19, yes I was young and stupid but I have raised a fairly smart well behaved daughter for the last 12 years, while working for almost her entire life.

Steven and I married when my daughter was almost 4 and had a second daughter a year later, again she is smart and well behaved.

Now my point is this I have given birth to 2 children and Steven has fathered 1 child, so if we are only allowed 1 or 2 children each how is that going to affect people like me and my husband would he be ok to have another child as long as its not with me since I have already got to my limit??

What I more worried about is the children born to feckless people who dont think thru the consequences of their actions, the women who spew out kids to many different fathers or dont know who the father is/the men who think its their duty to repopulate the world with mini them!!

When these children become adults how many of them are going to meet their half sisters or brothers and have children with them??

Shona

x x x

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By *uton_coupleCouple
over a year ago

luton


"at the moment i have 2 grandchildren ( from 1 of my 3 daughters ) even if they only go on to have 2 each that will make 6

so if ive got that right 2 people turn into 6 people in about 35 years

and as the "parents" are all still alive that makes 11 ( depending on how you look at it )

If you look at my family from my grandparents on just one side then my lovely ole nan & grandad are directly responsible for 92 people being alive today.

8 x children

24 x grandchildren

46 x g/grandchildren

14 x g/g/grandchildren

My grandparents were born c.1910 so now, 100 years later, they have multiplied by just over 4,500%

Ok. we have a BIG family lol, but if you average it out, the worldwide population increases by approx 1bn every 10-12 years.

China & India combined have almost 40% of the world's current population of 6.7bn people. The current growth rate is 1.10% or some 140mn people. Deaths account for 57mn people annually.

A decline in the growth rate in recent decades has led experts to predict that the 10-12 year population expansion gap will increase to 20-25 years per bn people upto 2050, which indicates a reduction in the growth rate.

Needless to say, that by 2100 the worldwide population will hit 12bn people, almost double than today's total. Scan forward 500 years and it's not rocket science to see that we will have outgrown this planet and will have to look for other worlds to colonise.

Nature has a funny old way of working things out and as our population increases so does our technical capabilities, so it's not inconceivable that we will have found another world, or maybe even terra-formed Mars to produce the food we need, but it can never be a realistic place for billions of people to live. We'll survive, if we haven't blown the place to smithereens by then."

yes nature has a way of balancing things out , and has done for millions of years , there has never been a species that has been able to usurp all the others untill now , unfortunatly in the case of mankind he is both very intelligent , and very stupid , and the only way i can see him working it out in a natuaral way is by canibalism

as for technology , we have the cold fusion , and the terraform mars brigade

they cant stop it raining when the tennis is on at wimbledon , let alone slow down global warming , so as regards terraforming mars that could be at least a thousand years before we even start , then ten thousand before you could open ( by a crack ) the visor on your spacesuit !!!

by then it will be too late

so lets all put it to the back of our minds and make a silly joke about it

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"at the moment i have 2 grandchildren ( from 1 of my 3 daughters ) even if they only go on to have 2 each that will make 6

so if ive got that right 2 people turn into 6 people in about 35 years

and as the "parents" are all still alive that makes 11 ( depending on how you look at it )

If you look at my family from my grandparents on just one side then my lovely ole nan & grandad are directly responsible for 92 people being alive today.

8 x children

24 x grandchildren

46 x g/grandchildren

14 x g/g/grandchildren

My grandparents were born c.1910 so now, 100 years later, they have multiplied by just over 4,500%

Ok. we have a BIG family lol, but if you average it out, the worldwide population increases by approx 1bn every 10-12 years.

China & India combined have almost 40% of the world's current population of 6.7bn people. The current growth rate is 1.10% or some 140mn people. Deaths account for 57mn people annually.

A decline in the growth rate in recent decades has led experts to predict that the 10-12 year population expansion gap will increase to 20-25 years per bn people upto 2050, which indicates a reduction in the growth rate.

Needless to say, that by 2100 the worldwide population will hit 12bn people, almost double than today's total. Scan forward 500 years and it's not rocket science to see that we will have outgrown this planet and will have to look for other worlds to colonise.

Nature has a funny old way of working things out and as our population increases so does our technical capabilities, so it's not inconceivable that we will have found another world, or maybe even terra-formed Mars to produce the food we need, but it can never be a realistic place for billions of people to live. We'll survive, if we haven't blown the place to smithereens by then."

Be Green - Have one kid.

It struck me a while back. People recycle their newspapers, don't leave the telly on standby overnight and use low energy bulbs etc - all so they can "do their bit" for the environment.

But by having one less kid the overall carbon saving a couple of generations down the line is massive compared to the puny things people do now.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Be Green - Have one kid.

It struck me a while back. People recycle their newspapers, don't leave the telly on standby overnight and use low energy bulbs etc - all so they can "do their bit" for the environment.

But by having one less kid the overall carbon saving a couple of generations down the line is massive compared to the puny things people do now.

"

t's all well and good coming up with ideas to 'save the planet' but they never seem to take account for the human factor.

I have two children. My eldest longed for a sibling and when my son was born 2 years ago her first words on seeing him was: "I'll never be alone now, Daddy."

That alone makes me stick two fingers up to the eco-warriors. Nature always finds a way to balance things out, 4 billion years of evolution proves that, so as far as I'm concerned, I'll recycle stuff if it's convenient for me to do so, I'll have as many kids as I want, and the 'greens' can go and live on their own little island and grow bio-friendly crops etc etc.. It's all a fookin con anyway - go to Sainsbury's and see how much more you pay for eco products.

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