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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Federer has reached 1000 matches.

Looked up stats on Martian Navratilova. She has far exceeded this. Due to doubles and mixed doubles being counted in this

Does this not demonstrate u can be competitive without being competitive?

This modern game is fast and unsportsman compared to Martinas time

Ppl are not friendly...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ppl are not friendly..."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just like the fact you've called Navratilova a 'Martian'

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I guess they are not as great as they make out....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Auto check must have sneaked in there. I thought I double checked

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By *afadaoMan
over a year ago

Staines

"I just like the fact you've called Navratilova a 'Martian'

Is she as good as Aliena Dementieva?

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

Federer is probably one of the most sportsmanlike characters of this or any other generation.

Martina, on the other hand was vile when she was young and competitive and grew more cuddly and friendly as she got older and less competitive. Pretty much the same as McEnroe and Connors.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Haha

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Federer had no time for doubles as he knew it was too competitive. It would wear him out. I.e unsportsman like game

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's just a posh boys past time not a sport.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Man has made competition negative.

Martina showed u can still have partners in sport and yet be focused to win for yourself. She did not cut herself off from other players. Due to speed and money, Mr nice guy does not win anymore, it's kept in the back

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

U make your own future and friends...

Should not be influenced to avoid what your peers ands friends may judge u on..

U only have one life...l

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Federer had no time for doubles as he knew it was too competitive. It would wear him out. I.e unsportsman like game"

or maybe he has just stayed with what he has been very good at..?

not unsportmanlike to concentrate on one aspect ..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It is because Martinas just did the opposite

She showed u could....

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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"It is because Martinas just did the opposite

She showed u could....

women play 3 set matches at slam level, men play 5..

your comparing chalk with cheese

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

U make your own future and friends...

Should not be influenced to avoid what your peers ands friends may judge u on..

U only have one life...l"

I'm not entirely sure I get your point?

It's like cyclists who only concentrate on one of the Grand Tours as they've realised it's only possible to be truly competitive by concentrating on one.

As I said, Martina hasn't always been 'nice' but this obviously didn't fit into whatever agenda you have.

I'm not aware that Federer has many enemies in his own, or any other supporting arena (and I'm not even a particular fan of Federer's)

McEnroe would have been a more apt comparison as he always played doubles, even at his peak.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

U make your own future and friends...

Should not be influenced to avoid what your peers ands friends may judge u on..

U only have one life...l

I'm not entirely sure I get your point?

It's like cyclists who only concentrate on one of the Grand Tours as they've realised it's only possible to be truly competitive by concentrating on one.

As I said, Martina hasn't always been 'nice' but this obviously didn't fit into whatever agenda you have.

I'm not aware that Federer has many enemies in his own, or any other supporting arena (and I'm not even a particular fan of Federer's)

McEnroe would have been a more apt comparison as he always played doubles, even at his peak."

#YOLO

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

U are looking at a different aspect of the game, endurance...how fit a person is. These can be lowered

Not all tournaments started life at 5.

A man won't tire if he does not push himself.

A man will not partner another man because competitiveness has been ingrained in us to not give a damn...like modern business...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

A person commented tennis was about posh guys.

Don't be held back to do something because of the association or taboo that goes with it. U only have one life...

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

In fact, why pick on Federer, very few of the top twenty men's players play doubles and none of the top four do with any regularity (in fact, Federer is the only one who has recently and that was to try and regain some form)

As forms of tennis, they now bear little resemblance to reach other abs the skills required to play one, don't complement the skills required to play the other.

Modern singles players have to be attached to bungee cords to be persuaded to approach the net, whereas modern doubles is played almost exclusively at the net.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Federer is probably one of the most sportsmanlike characters of this or any other generation.

Martina, on the other hand was vile when she was young and competitive and grew more cuddly and friendly as she got older and less competitive. Pretty much the same as McEnroe and Connors."

not quite sure i would describe navratilova as vile - bit strong.

but your other point is bang on.

its a general truth-you see the sharp elbows when people are on the make. in a 100 different scenarios- but once they get what they want - its all 'i'm so friendly'.

course its too late by then cos people that have been fucked over, dont forget.

how many public examples would you like?

thatcher? ferguson?

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"U are looking at a different aspect of the game, endurance...how fit a person is. These can be lowered

Not all tournaments started life at 5.

A man won't tire if he does not push himself.

A man will not partner another man because competitiveness has been ingrained in us to not give a damn...like modern business..."

Nope, still not getting your point...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I can't help u then sorry

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"I can't help u then sorry"

It's more to do with you not putting over your point very well and seemingly contradicting yourself than my lack of comprehension.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

Your refusal to debate any opinion that doesn't fit your agenda muddies the issue somewhat, too.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I never twisted your arm to believe me, I merely stated what I think. If I can't do that, then it seems u have the problem

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Your refusal to debate any opinion that doesn't fit your agenda muddies the issue somewhat, too."

No I believe what I think. Have faith in what u believe. Like a politician believes he has the right PoV on issues, like u have the right pov on love etc...

Perhaps u should understand how u define a human

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

You stated what you believe as fact, not a belief (and continued to state this when confronted with a different opinion and facts to back them up), there's a big difference.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

U can't handle that I have faith in what I believe. If u can't hack it move on...don't bring me down. Do u understand

I am confident u are not

Put your money where your mouth is

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"You stated what you believe as fact, not a belief (and continued to state this when confronted with a different opinion and facts to back them up), there's a big difference.

No I did not. I merely stated what I think. U think u can change what I think cos u think u are better.

U don't know me.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

Put your money where your mouth is

What???

Confidence is being intelligent enough to realise that your beliefs may be wrong when confronted with evidence to the contrary, not blindly believing that because you believe something, then it is right.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Put your money where your mouth is

What???

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Put your money where your mouth is

What???

Haha. That would be correct if I find this situation to be that. Haha. The fact is Martina was competitive and still had time to play with others. The game now a days is fast everyone wants to win for themselves.

There is emotional inteligence and intelectual inteligence. U assume your view is correct also so u are just as bad. I have faith I am correct, I can doubt what I believe but not today....

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

Ha! Thanks for giving me a little light relief from studying The Macpherson Report and researching anti-discriminatory practices within the Probation Service though

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Ha! Thanks for giving me a little light relief from studying The Macpherson Report and researching anti-discriminatory practices within the Probation Service though

Is this to do with law?

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

Criminology Degree

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I can't help u then sorry

It's more to do with you not putting over your point very well and seemingly contradicting yourself than my lack of comprehension."

this..

not really sure where this is going tbh..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Criminology Degree"

I have beside me a book by David cantor entitled mapping murder. Tried to read the first part. Need to be in the right frame of mind to read it looses its purpose. Haven't picked it up for 9 weeks. I trust u will get back quicker than I.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

I have no choice...seven assignments due in by the middle of March, so roughly 10k words to do.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I have no choice...seven assignments due in by the middle of March, so roughly 10k words to do."

All u can do is give your understanding of how ppl behave and act - if that is what criminology is. No one knows everything. Every man every woman has something to offer if ppl are prepared to listen.

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By *afadaoMan
over a year ago

Staines

What a strange thread, it has gone from tennis arguments to criminology harmony.

I like it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What a strange thread, it has gone from tennis arguments to criminology harmony.

I like it!"

It's my favourite in a long while.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"I have no choice...seven assignments due in by the middle of March, so roughly 10k words to do.

Criminology is trying to discover the 'why' once you've studied the theory of the 'how' but like most theories, they're constantly evolving.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"What a strange thread, it has gone from tennis arguments to criminology harmony.

I like it!"

I've been doing some training on defusing techniques as part of some work I'm doing to prevent recidivism in ex-offenders

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

sticking with the tennis, you do know why women can play the singles and doubles at a major tourney yeah? and men dont.

women play best of 3, at wimbledon/oz/us/RG, men play best of 5.

so men are too tired to enter 2 tournaments- thats why.

so not only do the women get the same prize money for doing almost half the work (in singles), but they can also double ya money by entering 2 competitions - doing 'half a shift' in each.

equality is a one way street.

as you were chaps

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What a strange thread, it has gone from tennis arguments to criminology harmony.

I like it!

I've been doing some training on defusing techniques as part of some work I'm doing to prevent recidivism in ex-offenders

The diversity of opinions is a troubling one. For their to be full implementation of any plan some groups will have to re define what they think. U have a billion ple equally enthused that they are relevant. How does logic and reason handle that? Some have to rule. Children do what adults do most of the time. So the lucky ones who are not criminals have to portray themselves in public as being able to take discipline or rules. But all we see is chaos e.g, news. It's a wonder how some ex criminals make it...

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"What a strange thread, it has gone from tennis arguments to criminology harmony.

I like it!

I've been doing some training on defusing techniques as part of some work I'm doing to prevent recidivism in ex-offenders

Apart from the last bit, you're way off but I get your point

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"sticking with the tennis, you do know why women can play the singles and doubles at a major tourney yeah? and men dont.

women play best of 3, at wimbledon/oz/us/RG, men play best of 5.

so men are too tired to enter 2 tournaments- thats why.

so not only do the women get the same prize money for doing almost half the work (in singles), but they can also double ya money by entering 2 competitions - doing 'half a shift' in each.

equality is a one way street.

as you were chaps"

You were almost right there but the prize money in doubles is dropping considerably year on year as a proportion of singles prize money.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What a strange thread, it has gone from tennis arguments to criminology harmony.

I like it!

I've been doing some training on defusing techniques as part of some work I'm doing to prevent recidivism in ex-offenders

Apart from the last bit, you're way off but I get your point

U take the economy and political group. In order for their plan to be scientifically judged ppl have to be actively doing it. But since we live in a democracy it won't happen. Ppl say I don't believe this groups ideas. But by saying this they rob the chance of the political group to be tested.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"What a strange thread, it has gone from tennis arguments to criminology harmony.

I like it!

I've been doing some training on defusing techniques as part of some work I'm doing to prevent recidivism in ex-offenders

Apart from the last bit, you're way off but I get your point

Again, you're contradicting yourself, as that's how democracies work. There's also usually a reason that some political groups/party's remain on the periphery and for once, it's down to the common sense of the populace rather than the machinations of the media!

The alternative is that we don't live in a democracy, which has time and time again been proved to be wildly unsuccessful and/or impossible to maintain!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What a strange thread, it has gone from tennis arguments to criminology harmony.

I like it!

I've been doing some training on defusing techniques as part of some work I'm doing to prevent recidivism in ex-offenders

Apart from the last bit, you're way off but I get your point

The alternative is that we don't live in a democracy, which has time and time again been proved to be wildly unsuccessful and/or impossible to maintain!"

I didn't contradict myself I never fully explained what I wanted to tell u. In a democracy u don't have to follow or implement their idea even though u did not vote for them. In order for a scheme to work all individuals have to do it. If u don't try it of course it will fail

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Martina was supremely talented and competetitive.

She only retired because she had licked all the other female players.

As for Federer, is there a better role model in all of sport? On a par with the legendary Jack Nicklaus.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Martina was supremely talented and competetitive.

She only retired because she had licked all the other female players.

As for Federer, is there a better role model in all of sport? On a par with the legendary Jack Nicklaus.

A role model that can't change the game? Competitiveness inspires jealousy and rivalry. The speed of the game causes unsportsmanlike behaviour.

At least Martina played with other pp.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Martina was supremely talented and competetitive.

She only retired because she had licked all the other female players.

As for Federer, is there a better role model in all of sport? On a par with the legendary Jack Nicklaus.

A role model that can't change the game? Competitiveness inspires jealousy and rivalry. The speed of the game causes unsportsmanlike behaviour.

At least Martina played with other pp. "

Singles and doubles are different games with different skills.

If someone wants to focus on singles, why shouldn't they? There's nothing wrong with wanting to excel in one area rather than diluting that by trying to be good in two. As already pointed out, there's a reason men tend not to want to enter singles and doubles at competition level. It would be taking on too much.

What is your obsession with tennis players having to play doubles?

If they don't like doubles, or prefer singles, what's the problem?

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

These are competitions, with titles and prizes and sponsorship deals. It's a career for some. Of course there is going to be competitiveness and rivalry.

There's competitiveness and rivalry in all sports and in all competitions and tournaments.

It sounds like you support the new school philosophy of having no winners and no losers in anything.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"These are competitions, with titles and prizes and sponsorship deals. It's a career for some. Of course there is going to be competitiveness and rivalry.

There's competitiveness and rivalry in all sports and in all competitions and tournaments.

It sounds like you support the new school philosophy of having no winners and no losers in anything."

I don't think u understand the implications involved. Everybody wants to be number one. Selfishness reigns. Martina was a winner, she played with other players and was the most competitive. Players can't do this and this changes friendships....ppl are not sportsman like. For if they were, they would give up the speed and power and go back to martina's day

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Martina was supremely talented and competetitive.

She only retired because she had licked all the other female players.

As for Federer, is there a better role model in all of sport? On a par with the legendary Jack Nicklaus.

A role model that can't change the game? Competitiveness inspires jealousy and rivalry. The speed of the game causes unsportsmanlike behaviour.

At least Martina played with other pp.

Singles and doubles are different games with different skills.

What is your obsession with tennis players having to play doubles?

If they don't like doubles, or prefer singles, what's the problem? "

My obsession is your misunderstanding. I was using this as an example.....

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"These are competitions, with titles and prizes and sponsorship deals. It's a career for some. Of course there is going to be competitiveness and rivalry.

There's competitiveness and rivalry in all sports and in all competitions and tournaments.

It sounds like you support the new school philosophy of having no winners and no losers in anything.

People are competitive in competitions, of course they are. They invest a lot in training so of course they want to win. There would be no point in entering if you weren't going to give it your all.

It's not "unsportsmanlike" to want to win, as long as it is fairly and not by cheating. Even your friends are fellow competitors when you're competition against them.

Competitiveness is natural. We evolved that way. We competed for food and for the best mates. The fittest and best adapted survived. We're wired to want to achieve and to compete. It's human nature.

The whole point of sports competitions is the competition.

Cheating is unacceptable but there's nothing wrong with wanting to be better, to work harder and to win.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Martina was supremely talented and competetitive.

She only retired because she had licked all the other female players.

As for Federer, is there a better role model in all of sport? On a par with the legendary Jack Nicklaus.

A role model that can't change the game? Competitiveness inspires jealousy and rivalry. The speed of the game causes unsportsmanlike behaviour.

At least Martina played with other pp.

Singles and doubles are different games with different skills.

What is your obsession with tennis players having to play doubles?

If they don't like doubles, or prefer singles, what's the problem?

My obsession is your misunderstanding. I was using this as an example....."

If you don't explain clearly, people are going to misunderstand. Have you not noticed that people not being able to understand or misunderstanding is a constant, prevailing theme on your threads?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"These are competitions, with titles and prizes and sponsorship deals. It's a career for some. Of course there is going to be competitiveness and rivalry.

There's competitiveness and rivalry in all sports and in all competitions and tournaments.

It sounds like you support the new school philosophy of having no winners and no losers in anything.

People are competitive in competitions, of course they are. They invest a lot in training so of course they want to win. There would be no point in entering if you weren't going to give it your all.

It's not "unsportsmanlike" to want to win, as long as it is fairly and not by cheating. Even your friends are fellow competitors when you're competition against them.

Competitiveness is natural. We evolved that way. We competed for food and for the best mates. The fittest and best adapted survived. We're wired to want to achieve and to compete. It's human nature.

The whole point of sports competitions is the competition.

Cheating is unacceptable but there's nothing wrong with wanting to be better, to work harder and to win."

Competing causes wars, look at politics... If politics is truly something that guides ppl then it is a template of behaviour to follow.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"These are competitions, with titles and prizes and sponsorship deals. It's a career for some. Of course there is going to be competitiveness and rivalry.

There's competitiveness and rivalry in all sports and in all competitions and tournaments.

It sounds like you support the new school philosophy of having no winners and no losers in anything.

People are competitive in competitions, of course they are. They invest a lot in training so of course they want to win. There would be no point in entering if you weren't going to give it your all.

It's not "unsportsmanlike" to want to win, as long as it is fairly and not by cheating. Even your friends are fellow competitors when you're competition against them.

Competitiveness is natural. We evolved that way. We competed for food and for the best mates. The fittest and best adapted survived. We're wired to want to achieve and to compete. It's human nature.

The whole point of sports competitions is the competition.

Cheating is unacceptable but there's nothing wrong with wanting to be better, to work harder and to win."

Yes it is, it forces ppl to ignore friendships..

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"These are competitions, with titles and prizes and sponsorship deals. It's a career for some. Of course there is going to be competitiveness and rivalry.

There's competitiveness and rivalry in all sports and in all competitions and tournaments.

It sounds like you support the new school philosophy of having no winners and no losers in anything.

People are competitive in competitions, of course they are. They invest a lot in training so of course they want to win. There would be no point in entering if you weren't going to give it your all.

It's not "unsportsmanlike" to want to win, as long as it is fairly and not by cheating. Even your friends are fellow competitors when you're competition against them.

Competitiveness is natural. We evolved that way. We competed for food and for the best mates. The fittest and best adapted survived. We're wired to want to achieve and to compete. It's human nature.

The whole point of sports competitions is the competition.

Cheating is unacceptable but there's nothing wrong with wanting to be better, to work harder and to win.

Competing causes wars, look at politics... If politics is truly something that guides ppl then it is a template of behaviour to follow. "

Yes, competing causes wars. Resources are finite and people compete for them. It would be lovely if people formed big communes and shared everything equally.

It's pie in the sky.

As for politics, politics should represent the people not rule people or 'guide' them. Politics should be what the people want, not what the politicians want.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"These are competitions, with titles and prizes and sponsorship deals. It's a career for some. Of course there is going to be competitiveness and rivalry.

There's competitiveness and rivalry in all sports and in all competitions and tournaments.

It sounds like you support the new school philosophy of having no winners and no losers in anything.

People are competitive in competitions, of course they are. They invest a lot in training so of course they want to win. There would be no point in entering if you weren't going to give it your all.

It's not "unsportsmanlike" to want to win, as long as it is fairly and not by cheating. Even your friends are fellow competitors when you're competition against them.

Competitiveness is natural. We evolved that way. We competed for food and for the best mates. The fittest and best adapted survived. We're wired to want to achieve and to compete. It's human nature.

The whole point of sports competitions is the competition.

Cheating is unacceptable but there's nothing wrong with wanting to be better, to work harder and to win.

Yes it is, it forces ppl to ignore friendships.."

No it doesn't. You can have friends and compete.

I used to do martial arts. When I fought someone, I fought to win. I had friends in the class. We fought sometimes but after the match, we were still friends.

Not everyone wants to be friends with everyone else. Some people just don't like each other, and that's fair enough. The world is full of different people with different personalities, different wants, needs, skills, goals, personal values, strengths and weaknesses. To think everyone could get along is unrealistic.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"These are competitions, with titles and prizes and sponsorship deals. It's a career for some. Of course there is going to be competitiveness and rivalry.

There's competitiveness and rivalry in all sports and in all competitions and tournaments.

It sounds like you support the new school philosophy of having no winners and no losers in anything.

So F1 should go back to the 1950's when cars did 60-70mph less than they're capable of now?

Athletes should go back to the 1950's when the 4 minute mile was thought of as an unattainable miracle?

Sports equipment develops, we learn how to develop the human body and mind further; it had nothing to do with sportsmanship.

Time and time again in this thread you have ignored simple facts: such as Federer is considered to be the consummate example in sportsmanlike behaviour in both his own and most other sports, the demands on tennis players today physiologically means that singles and doubles are not compatible, ALL the top players don't play doubles, not just Federer, most of the top doubles players don't play singles, other than to mop up a little extra prize money in the early rounds if they're lucky, the golden age of which you speak was rife with unsportsmanlike behaviour, just look at Connors, McEnroe and Nastase.

Though I don't know why I bother replying as you'll still consider your opinion to be fact and refuse to listen to any arguments that counterpoint your position.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"These are competitions, with titles and prizes and sponsorship deals. It's a career for some. Of course there is going to be competitiveness and rivalry.

There's competitiveness and rivalry in all sports and in all competitions and tournaments.

It sounds like you support the new school philosophy of having no winners and no losers in anything.

So F1 should go back to the 1950's when cars did 60-70mph less than they're capable of now?

Athletes should go back to the 1950's when the 4 minute mile was thought of as an unattainable miracle?

Sports equipment develops, we learn how to develop the human body and mind further; it had nothing to do with sportsmanship.

Though I don't know why I bother replying as you'll still consider your opinion to be fact and refuse to listen to any arguments that counterpoint your position.

Competitiveness fuels jealousy and jealousy destroys man basically. I' mot saying do away with games, but reduce it so ppl don't turn on each other....needlessly...Navratilova did it ...

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By *afadaoMan
over a year ago

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"Competitiveness fuels jealousy and jealousy destroys man basically. I' mot saying do away with games, but reduce it so ppl don't turn on each other....needlessly...Navratilova did it ..."

I have never seen Roger Federer turn on anyone. I have seen him display magnificent physical and skillful displays coupled with grace and magnanimity. I have seen him do this along with a number of other top players such as Djokovic, Murral, Nadal, Roddick. I have never seen any of them being anything other than top class sportspeople.

I have a rugby union season ticket. Every other week I see 30 odd fellas smashing the hell out of each other to then shake hands, praise each others efforts and share beer together in the bar afterwards.

Competition is healthy. It helps us strive and it helps us better ourselves. Competitiveness does not equate to jealously. A true sportsman will not like losing but will always appreciate the qualities of the victor.

Navratilova is not a good example for you to give. She was one of the most single minded, driven people to ever play the sport. She played doubles because she loved playing tennis and she loved winning. Playing more matches meant winning more titles. She did not play doubles out of kindness to others or due to selfless motives.

OP, if you don't like competition and you think it fuels some kind of hatred or jealousy then fine, you can believe that. You appear to be on your own with this one - and as one of the other posters just suggested - you draw a conclusion to anything, you need to listen to other people's perspectives and you don't appear to be doing that.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

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"These are competitions, with titles and prizes and sponsorship deals. It's a career for some. Of course there is going to be competitiveness and rivalry.

There's competitiveness and rivalry in all sports and in all competitions and tournaments.

It sounds like you support the new school philosophy of having no winners and no losers in anything.

So F1 should go back to the 1950's when cars did 60-70mph less than they're capable of now?

Athletes should go back to the 1950's when the 4 minute mile was thought of as an unattainable miracle?

Sports equipment develops, we learn how to develop the human body and mind further; it had nothing to do with sportsmanship.

Though I don't know why I bother replying as you'll still consider your opinion to be fact and refuse to listen to any arguments that counterpoint your position.

Competitiveness fuels jealousy and jealousy destroys man basically. I' mot saying do away with games, but reduce it so ppl don't turn on each other....needlessly...Navratilova did it ..."

Jesus, you're like a fucking broken record!

You're either a) the most intelligent being I've ever encountered b) as dumb as dog shit c) a very competent troll or c) so far off the Autism/Asperger's scale that you've come back round to the beginning!