FabSwingers.com forum: TV licence

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Colour TV licence is £145.50,

We have opted not to pay this and take down our areial, just don't think it's worth it as it was very very rare we watched anything on the telly anyway and if there was someone we can watch it on catchup (don't need a licence to watch catchup) plus we have a few 100 films and other stuff and access to netflix and so on to keep us amused.

Now we don't think it's a real bad price to be honest but think the old system just sucks and time for an update.

What do you think? have you a licence?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

I think you will find that catch up is still the same! So TV licence is still required along with Netflix etc but feel free to say I am wrong

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *adybee77Woman
over a year ago

MAMOBA, miles and miles of bugger all (Aberdeenshire)

Didn't for years - only caved in when my son was the odd one out at nursery not knowing the cbeebies songs etc.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the license fee of fine and provides loads

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *adybee77Woman
over a year ago

MAMOBA, miles and miles of bugger all (Aberdeenshire)

"I think you will find that catch up is still the same! So TV licence is still required along with Netflix etc but feel free to say I am wrong "

You don't need a licence for on demand and catch up - its only if you wish to watch live broadcast as it is happening.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think you will find that catch up is still the same! So TV licence is still required along with Netflix etc but feel free to say I am wrong "

No, you don't need a licence to watch catch up, when you go on there site to tell them you don't need a licence, it's even one of the options they have for not needing one.

Licence is only for watching live TV

Plus it was on the BBC news a few month ago about it

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *aulsbud69Man
over a year ago

Doncaster

if you got any thing in the house what can pick you any tv you have to pay

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Do you watch BBC on catch up? Do you listen to any BBC radio? Do you watch any films or television serialisations on Netflix made/funded by the BBC?

If yes, you should pay your licence like the rest of us.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never have a licence when i'm living without a partner, so not had one for almost 4 years now. I do think it's good value for money but when you have the internet you don't need tv. Not like they can bring out internet licences once tv is gone for good either coz they can't justify bringing one out seeing as we haven't had the need for one yet.

Hate how the tv door people pretend you have to have a licence, or turn up in pairs to 'come look at your house' without a warrant.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think you will find that catch up is still the same! So TV licence is still required along with Netflix etc but feel free to say I am wrong "

i think hes right if you watch catch up dont need to pay i know hundreds of ppl who dont pay because of bbc bias in the scottish referendum they have been told their circumstances will be reveiwed in 2 yrs time

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Do you watch BBC on catch up? Do you listen to any BBC radio? Do you watch any films or television serialisations on Netflix made/funded by the BBC?

If yes, you should pay your licence like the rest of us."

So you saying, even though the TV licensing says a licence is "not needed" to watch catchup, I should still pay a licence as all we ever watch "very rare" is catch up?

Hmm, next you will say I should pay car tax as I use a taxi now and then

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"if you got any thing in the house what can pick you any tv you have to pay "

Wrong, you can have 100 TV's and not have to pay a licence unless they prove you are watching live TV on it.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My understanding is that if you have equipment capable of picking up live tv regardless of whether you actually watch it, you are due to pay the fee. The fact is, you can if you choose to.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Never have a licence when i'm living without a partner, so not had one for almost 4 years now. I do think it's good value for money but when you have the internet you don't need tv. Not like they can bring out internet licences once tv is gone for good either coz they can't justify bringing one out seeing as we haven't had the need for one yet.

Hate how the tv door people pretend you have to have a licence, or turn up in pairs to 'come look at your house' without a warrant."

The TV peeps have no lawful right, you can refuse them access.

We would let them in though, quite happy for them to test our equipment to see we don't need one.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"My understanding is that if you have equipment capable of picking up live tv regardless of whether you actually watch it, you are due to pay the fee. The fact is, you can if you choose to."

Yes that is correct.

But we have no areal at all, totally removed, we have no equipment capable of picking up live tv

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My understanding is that if you have equipment capable of picking up live tv regardless of whether you actually watch it, you are due to pay the fee. The fact is, you can if you choose to.

Yes that is correct.

But we have no areal at all, totally removed, we have no equipment capable of picking up live tv

"
You use your phone for internet access?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The tv licence is incorrectly named really. It's a tv signal receiving licence, for those who wish to watch tv as it's broadcast.

We haven't tuned anything in to pick up the signal so we don't have to pay.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"My understanding is that if you have equipment capable of picking up live tv regardless of whether you actually watch it, you are due to pay the fee. The fact is, you can if you choose to.

Yes that is correct.

But we have no areal at all, totally removed, we have no equipment capable of picking up live tv

You use your phone for internet access?"

Nope, I have call/txt packadge only

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You don't have to pay it if you ignore it for long enough and never respond to them then they have to send letters addressed to the ococcupier, which you also ignore. Haven't payed mine in 11 years

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 01/02/15 00:01:01]

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *iss_Samantha_LovecockTV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford

never had one. even when i had a tv only got busted once

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham

Always paid mine , I almost see it like a utility bill , having said that , I like the Beeb to an extent so shall carry on with my payments

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hate how the tv door people pretend you have to have a licence, or turn up in pairs to 'come look at your house' without a warrant."

One day one of the governments will bring an internet licence out.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *obbytupperMan
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

Hate how the tv door people pretend you have to have a licence, or turn up in pairs to 'come look at your house' without a warrant.

One day one of the governments will bring an internet licence out. "

Don't go giving them ideas FFS

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *iss_Samantha_LovecockTV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford

dont worry there will be a way around it

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hate how the tv door people pretend you have to have a licence, or turn up in pairs to 'come look at your house' without a warrant.

One day one of the governments will bring an internet licence out. "

You reckon? I think they left it too late now. Never been a need for one so far.

Wonder how the hackers are getting on. When talk about the NSA first came out they said they were gonna set up their own internet.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's 40pence a day, just pay it.

You Prob end up watching in the sly anyway and all our tv licence fees Prob go up if people start to dodge the fees.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"It's 40pence a day, just pay it.

You Prob end up watching in the sly anyway and all our tv licence fees Prob go up if people start to dodge the fees.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *lttattoocoupleCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

Tv licence came to my door just kept saying I'm not obliged to any of her questions. She soon git pissed off and left.

IT'S NOT ILLEGAL TO NOT HAVE A TV LICENCE, DONT LET THEM USE FEAR TACTICS TO MAKE YOU PAY

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *lttattoocoupleCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

Search tv licence scum on Utube and it'll show a lovely compliation video of tv licence people sent packing tis a good watch

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *lttattoocoupleCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

Tv licence goon. Not scum they are human after all

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

More and more people I know are opting out

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I think you will find that catch up is still the same! So TV licence is still required along with Netflix etc but feel free to say I am wrong "

You're wrong.

You only need a license if you watch live TV as it's broadcast.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"if you got any thing in the house what can pick you any tv you have to pay "

No you don't.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Do you watch BBC on catch up? Do you listen to any BBC radio? Do you watch any films or television serialisations on Netflix made/funded by the BBC?

If yes, you should pay your licence like the rest of us."

Why when it's not required? Who's going to voluntarily pay for a licence they don't have to have?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ouplekinkCouple
over a year ago

kink town

I Keep meaning to stop our TV licence, hate paying for it when we hardly watch any live TV. They now can't ask for your address when buying a new TV or free view box, and the guys that turn up have no lawful right to enter your property.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"My understanding is that if you have equipment capable of picking up live tv regardless of whether you actually watch it, you are due to pay the fee. The fact is, you can if you choose to."

Not true.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *lttattoocoupleCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

"Do you watch BBC on catch up? Do you listen to any BBC radio? Do you watch any films or television serialisations on Netflix made/funded by the BBC?

If yes, you should pay your licence like the rest of us.

Why when it's not required? Who's going to voluntarily pay for a licence they don't have to have?"

People are butt hurt because they've been duped and believed the lies (yet again) of the bbc

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *hyllyphyllyMan
over a year ago

Bradford

If you watch catch up, you do not need a licence, only if you watch or record TV as it's being broadcast.

For example.. Watch Top Gear at 8, you do. Watch Top Gear as soon as it's on iPlayer, say 915, you don't.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"My understanding is that if you have equipment capable of picking up live tv regardless of whether you actually watch it, you are due to pay the fee. The fact is, you can if you choose to.

Yes that is correct.

But we have no areal at all, totally removed, we have no equipment capable of picking up live tv

No, it's not correct.

You don't pay for having equipment that allows you to access the service. You pay if you use the service.

You can own as many TVs as you like and have an aerial but unless you actually watch live TV, you don't need a license.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Hate how the tv door people pretend you have to have a licence, or turn up in pairs to 'come look at your house' without a warrant.

One day one of the governments will bring an internet licence out.

You reckon? I think they left it too late now. Never been a need for one so far.

Wonder how the hackers are getting on. When talk about the NSA first came out they said they were gonna set up their own internet."

Heard of the Dark Web or Dark Net?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Does the radio come in to it?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *hyllyphyllyMan
over a year ago

Bradford

I need a TV, just so I can use a raspberry pi on it.

Knock knock...

Do you have a TV?

Yes I do, but I don't watch live TV on it. I watch pirated movies and boxsets.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Does the radio come in to it?"

No. Radio licences haven't existed for quite some time.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you have a t.v that is capable of receiving any BBC broadcast then I believe you have to pay.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"If you have a t.v that is capable of receiving any BBC broadcast then I believe you have to pay."

No you don't.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wonder how many of you would not pay for the fire brigade seeing as you don't 'use' that either

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Wonder how many of you would not pay for the fire brigade seeing as you don't 'use' that either"

Not the same thing at all.

If you don't need a TV licence then it would be bloody silly to pay for one.

Do you pay for things you haven't bought at the supermarket? Do you regularly pay for day-to-day services you don't need or use? You perhaps pay a subscription to magazines you don't intend to read? How about VED? Perhaps people who don't own a car should pay that? Do you book train tickets for a journey you have no intention of making?

It's not like television is an emergency service! That's a ridiculous comparison.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I've spent years not watching tv, which was great. I then heard about Big Brother from my mate Shag, so bought a tv and license. Happy to fund the BBC, even though they're a mouthpiece for the Tories.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wonder how many of you would not pay for the fire brigade seeing as you don't 'use' that either

Not the same thing at all.

If you don't need a TV licence then it would be bloody silly to pay for one.

It's not like television is an emergency service! That's a ridiculous comparison."

I what way is it ridiculous?, whether you watch a live broadcast or only via iPlayer you're still benefiting from the BBC commissioning and funding programing.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

Actually, if you are faced with a court appearance as they do very occasionally prosecute, if you have the equipment and it is in an operational state, there is a reasonable presumption that you are using it unless you can prove otherwise.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Wonder how many of you would not pay for the fire brigade seeing as you don't 'use' that either

Not the same thing at all.

If you don't need a TV licence then it would be bloody silly to pay for one.

It's not like television is an emergency service! That's a ridiculous comparison.

I what way is it ridiculous?, whether you watch a live broadcast or only via iPlayer you're still benefiting from the BBC commissioning and funding programing. "

Because, like I said, TV is not an emergency service! That comparison is laughable.

The rules state you have to have a licence for one, not the other so nobody is making that distinction themselves. It would be mad to pay for a TV licence knowing you don't need one.

When was the last time you paid for a service you didn't need and didn't have to have? You'd think it ridiculous to do so and rightly so.

Perhaps the rules don't make sense to you but they aren't set by the public!

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

The BBC is pretty much the only thing about UK history we can all be proud of.

The license fee is worth every penny, in our view.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Actually, if you are faced with a court appearance as they do very occasionally prosecute, if you have the equipment and it is in an operational state, there is a reasonable presumption that you are using it unless you can prove otherwise.

Very occasionally, yes. Which is wrong, since the terms clearly state it's watching that means you need a license, not owning the equipment. The burden of proof should be on them, not us.

I need a license so I have one. If I didn't watch live TV I wouldn't have one and I certainly wouldn't be putting myself at risk by taking my aerial down.

Those are the rules and in my opinion the TV licensing authority should play by them. They're bullies who rely on intimidation tactics and threats.

That in itself makes me inclined not to have a licence but I play by the rules.

I do think the TV licence is an out-dated concept.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ike4362ukMan
over a year ago

Cheshunt

"If you have a t.v that is capable of receiving any BBC broadcast then I believe you have to pay."

I think the OP mentioned removing the aerial. This would make it incapable of receiving live transmissions and therefore exempt from the license. A more permanent solution is to use s two piece epoxy and gum up the aerial socket.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"If you have a t.v that is capable of receiving any BBC broadcast then I believe you have to pay.

The statement you quoted is wrong anyway.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I pay £33 every three months hardly breaking the bank and I watch TV

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ouplekinkCouple
over a year ago

kink town

If it goes to court, they have to prove you were watching a live broadcast, not for you to prove you wasn't.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

If it goes to court, they have to prove you were watching a live broadcast, not for you to prove you wasn't."

Theoretically yes. In practice it doesn't always work like that.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *4nc3rCouple
over a year ago

Clacton-On-Sea, Essex

"Wonder how many of you would not pay for the fire brigade seeing as you don't 'use' that either

Not the same thing at all.

If you don't need a TV licence then it would be bloody silly to pay for one.

It's not like television is an emergency service! That's a ridiculous comparison."

I pay for a gym membership I never use

But yeah, silly tv license lol

Still think I should get rid of mine - can't remember the last time I watched it lol

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I pay £33 every three months hardly breaking the bank and I watch TV

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ouplekinkCouple
over a year ago

kink town

If it goes to court, they have to prove you were watching a live broadcast, not for you to prove you wasn't.

Theoretically yes. In practice it doesn't always work like that."

Well yes, for the mis-informed who allow capita to enter their property and they sign the 178 form, unfortunately the have no defence.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

fucking rip off,,who needs the bbc

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *lttattoocoupleCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

If it goes to court, they have to prove you were watching a live broadcast, not for you to prove you wasn't.

Theoretically yes. In practice it doesn't always work like that.

Well yes, for the mis-informed who allow capita to enter their property and they sign the 178 form, unfortunately the have no defence."

someone who knows :p

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"fucking rip off,,who needs the bbc"

Nobody needs the bbc but I am quite partial to it now and then

Oh.......wait a minute.....the other bbc.....right.....

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I pay £33 every three months hardly breaking the bank and I watch TV

I watch quite a lot of BBC so it's a bill a don't really begrudge paying. Life's too short for spending all your time finding ways to skirt around paying things.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

If it goes to court, they have to prove you were watching a live broadcast, not for you to prove you wasn't.

Theoretically yes. In practice it doesn't always work like that.

Well yes, for the mis-informed who allow capita to enter their property and they sign the 178 form, unfortunately the have no defence."

Knowing how I was harassed and bullied last time I didn't have (and didn't need) a TV licence, if I cancel mine in the future (and that will only be because I don't need one), I will absolutely rescind their right of access, will not talk to them and will not let them onto this property. Their behaviour is unacceptable and I won't tolerate it.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ouplekinkCouple
over a year ago

kink town

If it goes to court, they have to prove you were watching a live broadcast, not for you to prove you wasn't.

Theoretically yes. In practice it doesn't always work like that.

Well yes, for the mis-informed who allow capita to enter their property and they sign the 178 form, unfortunately the have no defence.

Exactly, they have no right of access (without a warrant) and will have no evidence you are watching live TV. They have a list of addresses that have no TV license registered, they are just taking a chance.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tv licence goon. Not scum they are human after all"

Wow very informative, thanks for the heads up.

The actions of the police and capita was shocking in its abuse. How the police can be used as an instrument of commercial interests is simply wrong in this case.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can have,

a tv,

an outside arial,

in fact you can have all the equipment necessary to watch tv and as long as you're not watching as it's being broadcast you don't have to pay.

The 'goons' told me this themselves on their last visit.They were happy to take my name off the list after seeing the arial cable wasn't hooked up to the outside arial socket.

So,as has already been said,they have no right to enter your home.But if you do decide to let them in then not having an arial plugged in to your tv SHOULD be sufficient proof that you aren't watching live tv broadcasts.Worked for me.

If you pay your licence because you feel it's worth it then fair dos.if however you think I should pay just because you're paying.......just because you're gullible enough to pay it doesn't mean the rest of us are!

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I pay £33 every three months hardly breaking the bank and I watch TV

I watch quite a lot of BBC so it's a bill a don't really begrudge paying. Life's too short for spending all your time finding ways to skirt around paying things."

Like many businesses do, Jesus they employ experts to avoid paying their bills

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

No that used to be the case but the law has changed now a TV licence is only required if you watch or record a TV signal as it is being broadcast.

A licence is not required to view catch up TV.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I pay £33 every three months hardly breaking the bank and I watch TV

I watch quite a lot of BBC so it's a bill a don't really begrudge paying. Life's too short for spending all your time finding ways to skirt around paying things.

Like many businesses do, Jesus they employ experts to avoid paying their bills"

And if it's wrong for them, why isn't it wrong for me? I'm happy to pay for something I use, if I didn't use it I wouldn't pay it. It isn't a tax.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I pay £33 every three months hardly breaking the bank and I watch TV

I watch quite a lot of BBC so it's a bill a don't really begrudge paying. Life's too short for spending all your time finding ways to skirt around paying things.

Like many businesses do, Jesus they employ experts to avoid paying their bills

And if it's wrong for them, why isn't it wrong for me? I'm happy to pay for something I use, if I didn't use it I wouldn't pay it. It isn't a tax. "

The law of the land

Or are loopholes only for the powerful ?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I pay £33 every three months hardly breaking the bank and I watch TV

I watch quite a lot of BBC so it's a bill a don't really begrudge paying. Life's too short for spending all your time finding ways to skirt around paying things.

Like many businesses do, Jesus they employ experts to avoid paying their bills

And if it's wrong for them, why isn't it wrong for me? I'm happy to pay for something I use, if I didn't use it I wouldn't pay it. It isn't a tax.

The law of the land

Or are loopholes only for the powerful ?"

I think you're missing my point...

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I pay £33 every three months hardly breaking the bank and I watch TV

I watch quite a lot of BBC so it's a bill a don't really begrudge paying. Life's too short for spending all your time finding ways to skirt around paying things.

Like many businesses do, Jesus they employ experts to avoid paying their bills

And if it's wrong for them, why isn't it wrong for me? I'm happy to pay for something I use, if I didn't use it I wouldn't pay it. It isn't a tax.

The law of the land

Or are loopholes only for the powerful ?

I think you're missing my point..."

Which is ?

Social fairness, We pay so all should pay ?

If so I'm afraid you are living in the past

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I pay £33 every three months hardly breaking the bank and I watch TV

I watch quite a lot of BBC so it's a bill a don't really begrudge paying. Life's too short for spending all your time finding ways to skirt around paying things.

Like many businesses do, Jesus they employ experts to avoid paying their bills

And if it's wrong for them, why isn't it wrong for me? I'm happy to pay for something I use, if I didn't use it I wouldn't pay it. It isn't a tax.

The law of the land

Or are loopholes only for the powerful ?

I think you're missing my point...

Which is ?

Social fairness, We pay so all should pay ?

If so I'm afraid you are living in the past

No. It was if I'm to criticise businesses for avoiding paying their bills, then it's not right to do the same thing myself, even if it's on a smaller scale.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't watch TV , however my daughter does so I have a licence, ohh I tell a white lie,I have an odd thing for that American show where they open up shipping containers and auction them.

Dodging tv licences has been going on long before utube, they did it on the estate I grew up on by hiding the tv upstairs and that was 30 years ago, they were no more sticking to the 'man' than the people who think it's a Costa coffee equivalent.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I pay my fee and always have.

I know that there are those that Are using this loophole to their own advantage.

I am also very aware of how angery society has become, especially towards the establishment such as the BBC.

The two wrongs analogy, for me, no longer applies, the imballence within society is huge.

I'm not suggesting that this is a protest, people simply believe that as soon as they film capita they will leave their property. Easy and they also save money.

Criticism and the law should be equal, guess what....

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I pay my fee and always have.

I know that there are those that Are using this loophole to their own advantage.

I am also very aware of how angery society has become, especially towards the establishment such as the BBC.

The two wrongs analogy, for me, no longer applies, the imballence within society is huge.

I'm not suggesting that this is a protest, people simply believe that as soon as they film capita they will leave their property. Easy and they also save money.

Criticism and the law should be equal, guess what....

What "loophole"?

If you don't watch TV as it is broadcast, you don't need a licence. Those are the rules.

Not paying for something because the rules say you don't have to is hardly a "loophole".

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wonder how the hackers are getting on. When talk about the NSA first came out they said they were gonna set up their own internet.

Heard of the Dark Web or Dark Net?"

Yeah. I meant they were gonna send up their own satellites into orbit and use those for their own encrypted internet. Heard about it a few years ago but nothing since.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wonder how many of you would not pay for the fire brigade seeing as you don't 'use' that either"

Yeah but if my house doesn't burn down because i paid for a neighbours house to be put out then i'm happy with that.

Same for NHS. Keeping us all healthy means we are less likley to succumb to plagues and epidemics.

Someone wants to watch tv and i don't? No problems there that i can tell.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hate how the tv door people pretend you have to have a licence, or turn up in pairs to 'come look at your house' without a warrant.

One day one of the governments will bring an internet licence out.

You reckon? I think they left it too late now. Never been a need for one so far.

Wonder how the hackers are getting on. When talk about the NSA first came out they said they were gonna set up their own internet.

Heard of the Dark Web or Dark Net?"

Yes the onion is the answer

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I pay my fee and always have.

I know that there are those that Are using this loophole to their own advantage.

I am also very aware of how angery society has become, especially towards the establishment such as the BBC.

The two wrongs analogy, for me, no longer applies, the imballence within society is huge.

I'm not suggesting that this is a protest, people simply believe that as soon as they film capita they will leave their property. Easy and they also save money.

Criticism and the law should be equal, guess what....

What "loophole"?

If you don't watch TV as it is broadcast, you don't need a licence. Those are the rules.

Not paying for something because the rules say you don't have to is hardly a "loophole".

"
.

I would suggest those people are few and very far between.

But if they genuinely don't watch tv then fair play.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wonder how many of you would not pay for the fire brigade seeing as you don't 'use' that either

Yeah but if my house doesn't burn down because i paid for a neighbours house to be put out then i'm happy with that.

Same for NHS. Keeping us all healthy means we are less likley to succumb t

o plagues and epidemics

We use bupa and pay why should we join the nhs

We also have a fire extinguishers

Someone wants to watch tv and i don't? No problems there that i can tell."

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wonder how the hackers are getting on. When talk about the NSA first came out they said they were gonna set up their own internet.

Heard of the Dark Web or Dark Net?

Yeah. I meant they were gonna send up their own satellites into orbit and use those for their own encrypted internet. Heard about it a few years ago but nothing since."
.

Any idea how much a satellite costs? Never mind launching it? And then none of you wanna pay for it either... Mmmm wonder why that idea never took off

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I keep seeing the same things posted, taking advantage of loop holes and I pay so you should (in so many words)

It isn't a loop hole, it's the rules "they" have set, if you don't watch/record TV as it's broadcasted then you don't need a licence.

It's the same as trying to tell me I should buy road tax to ride my bike on the road because you have to pay it because you have a car

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I keep seeing the same things posted, taking advantage of loop holes and I pay so you should (in so many words)

It isn't a loop hole, it's the rules "they" have set, if you don't watch/record TV as it's broadcasted then you don't need a licence.

It's the same as trying to tell me I should buy road tax to ride my bike on the road because you have to pay it because you have a car

"
.

If your one of the very few genuine people who don't watch tv live then good on yer.

But I would suggest most do and are just getting out of their commitment to pay the bill!.

Like I said it's not new, my parents and my neighbours did it when I was a kid, they just didn't talk bollocks about their reasons for not paying.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If your one of the very few genuine people who don't watch tv live then good on yer.

But I would suggest most do and are just getting out of their commitment to pay the bill!.

Like I said it's not new, my parents and my neighbours did it when I was a kid, they just didn't talk bollocks about their reasons for not paying."

Yes we are genuine and don't watch live TV as alot others are doing so now.

As the TV licence site says here,

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/topics/how-to-tell-us-you-dont-watch-tv-top12

Quote: If you don't watch TV at all, or you only ever watch on demand or catch-up TV, you can tell us you don't need a TV Licence. Please check the frequently asked questions below and then complete our No Licence Needed Declaration.

We don't need a licence and wouldn't buy one just for the sake of it, nothing to do with loop holes or talking bollocks about why we don't need one

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *urreyfun2008Man
over a year ago

East Grinstead

Depending on what shows they keep when BBC3 goes online only I may switch to catch up only.

Can go all week without watching live tv. Only thing without fail is Strictly each year

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I keep seeing the same things posted, taking advantage of loop holes and I pay so you should (in so many words)

It isn't a loop hole, it's the rules "they" have set, if you don't watch/record TV as it's broadcasted then you don't need a licence.

It's the same as trying to tell me I should buy road tax to ride my bike on the road because you have to pay it because you have a car

^ this

It seems to be based on an assumption most are lying, with no evidence that is the case.

In fact I think I remember that the TV licensing gumph says that of the homes they investigate, only 20% are found to need a licence.

That would suggest to me that there are plenty of people not paying for a TV licence because they don't need one and it's not the case this only applies to "a few".

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ouplekinkCouple
over a year ago

kink town

"I keep seeing the same things posted, taking advantage of loop holes and I pay so you should (in so many words)

It isn't a loop hole, it's the rules "they" have set, if you don't watch/record TV as it's broadcasted then you don't need a licence.

It's the same as trying to tell me I should buy road tax to ride my bike on the road because you have to pay it because you have a car

^ this

It seems to be based on an assumption most are lying, with no evidence that is the case.

In fact I think I remember that the TV licensing gumph says that of the homes they investigate, only 20% are found to need a licence.

That would suggest to me that there are plenty of people not paying for a TV licence because they don't need one and it's not the case this only applies to "a few"."

And I bet alot of that 20% are those who are duped into signing the 178 form, and therefore unknowingly admitting to it.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wonder how the hackers are getting on. When talk about the NSA first came out they said they were gonna set up their own internet.

Heard of the Dark Web or Dark Net?

Yeah. I meant they were gonna send up their own satellites into orbit and use those for their own encrypted internet. Heard about it a few years ago but nothing since..

Any idea how much a satellite costs? Never mind launching it? And then none of you wanna pay for it either... Mmmm wonder why that idea never took off

I pay for my internet. I actually want the internet so pay for it so i can have it. Although if i was a better hacker i could have free internet...

Yeah did see they were trying to raise funds for the satellites.

Found old news about it anyway:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16367042

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I don't watch much telly, I'm more of a wireless listener, but I value the BBC and I'm happy to pay for it, as I'd miss it if it were not there.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

Post new Message to Thread