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"You will find that people believe a doctrine and follow a leader blindly. Still happening today...and history has a bad habit of repeating itself." I know...Genocide is not restricted to the nazis. Look at pol pot,Rwanda it still goes on.. When will we learn | |||
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"It happens quite slowly I think, a restriction here, a ban there, some media stories....changes public opinion then when governments act, not many speak up - the few that do are identified and removed. "It did in the case of the jews! It's not non-fiction - but suggested reading would be Ben Elton's Two Brothers. It begins over a decade before the war, and charts and humanises the way in which Jews were gradually stripped of their rights, their wealth, their humanity, and gradually their lives! Great book! Xx | |||
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"In the modern world IS and Boko Haram practice genocide. The concept of ridding your world of those you do not agree with will not go away. The Holocaust should remind us all that in such times even the moderate person can be made to accept the unacceptable. " The trial of Euckman Demonstrated what you said. | |||
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"In the modern world IS and Boko Haram practice genocide. The concept of ridding your world of those you do not agree with will not go away. The Holocaust should remind us all that in such times even the moderate person can be made to accept the unacceptable. " Well the argument also applies for when USA and allies decided it was OK to bomb communist countries (Vietnam, Grenada, Panamá, supporting taliban against Russia, etc) and more recently with the bombing Iraq for petrol and Afghanistan for mineral resources. Everyone is indeed accepting the unacceptable. | |||
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"What I find even more amazing is the fact that similar cruelties happen everyday in the world and we seem to focus on what happened 70years ago. If anything history should teach us something is we should act upon its and make sure it doesn't happen again. There's an infinite list of people who are being persecuted because of their religion, belief or skin colour. Look at the villages of Muslim in Burma that are burnt on a daily basis. Palestinian villages bulldozed by Israeli troops to build their settlements. Civil wars in central Africa. Yazidis sterminated by Isis. The only way to respect the victims of the holocaust is to make sure history does not get repeated. " If the west tries to interfere in genocide today then it is an "illegal war" and "why should we put our soldiers at risk? Its their problem" and "we could spend the millions of pounds better on the NHS and free say day care for toddlers!!!" We remember the Holocaust because it took place in Europe and was done on an industrial scale. We should not forget. | |||
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" If the west tries to interfere in genocide today then it is an "illegal war" and "why should we put our soldiers at risk? Its their problem" and "we could spend the millions of pounds better on the NHS and free say day care for toddlers!!!" We remember the Holocaust because it took place in Europe and was done on an industrial scale. We should not forget. " If that's the attitude your grandchildren will be saying the same thing you are saying now "it's so sad, how did it all happen under our nose" | |||
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" If the west tries to interfere in genocide today then it is an "illegal war" and "why should we put our soldiers at risk? Its their problem" and "we could spend the millions of pounds better on the NHS and free say day care for toddlers!!!" We remember the Holocaust because it took place in Europe and was done on an industrial scale. We should not forget. If that's the attitude your grandchildren will be saying the same thing you are saying now "it's so sad, how did it all happen under our nose" " Couldn't of said it any better myself. Also its only the Jews that say 6million Jews died what about the Gypsy's,Communist's old and infirm that died you Dont here about any remoreal for them just the Jews made the holocaust which by the way in Hebrew means (Religious offering/Burning) there reason for the atrocities the state of Israhell commits everyday | |||
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" If the west tries to interfere in genocide today then it is an "illegal war" and "why should we put our soldiers at risk? Its their problem" and "we could spend the millions of pounds better on the NHS and free say day care for toddlers!!!" We remember the Holocaust because it took place in Europe and was done on an industrial scale. We should not forget. If that's the attitude your grandchildren will be saying the same thing you are saying now "it's so sad, how did it all happen under our nose" Couldn't of said it any better myself. Also its only the Jews that say 6million Jews died what about the Gypsy's,Communist's old and infirm that died you Dont here about any remoreal for them just the Jews made the holocaust which by the way in Hebrew means (Religious offering/Burning) there reason for the atrocities the state of Israhell commits everyday" Nothing in this message is true. Ah well, ignorance and the sentiments expressed in it usually go together. | |||
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"In modern times I believe there are leaders who would happily 'purify' their countries and those around them! It's our global responsibility as human beings to make sure they don't! In the case of Rwanda though we failed miserably! I spent many evenings in tears watching the news - wondering why those who could have stopped it were just allowing it to happen! The only answer I could come up with is that the Rwandans had no oil! A hard lesson for an idealistic young woman to learn! "Oil does have a lot to do with it... The reason governments are fixated on stability in the middle east has everything to do with their oil reserves... | |||
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" If the west tries to interfere in genocide today then it is an "illegal war" and "why should we put our soldiers at risk? Its their problem" and "we could spend the millions of pounds better on the NHS and free say day care for toddlers!!!" We remember the Holocaust because it took place in Europe and was done on an industrial scale. We should not forget. If that's the attitude your grandchildren will be saying the same thing you are saying now "it's so sad, how did it all happen under our nose" Couldn't of said it any better myself. Also its only the Jews that say 6million Jews died what about the Gypsy's,Communist's old and infirm that died you Dont here about any remoreal for them just the Jews made the holocaust which by the way in Hebrew means (Religious offering/Burning) there reason for the atrocities the state of Israhell commits everyday Nothing in this message is true. Ah well, ignorance and the sentiments expressed in it usually go together." some of it is true, I could look up the figures for the gypsies, slavs, homosexuals, Jehovah's witnesses, the disabled and various eastern European nationals (pow or civilian) as we all seem to just remember the jews | |||
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" If the west tries to interfere in genocide today then it is an "illegal war" and "why should we put our soldiers at risk? Its their problem" and "we could spend the millions of pounds better on the NHS and free say day care for toddlers!!!" We remember the Holocaust because it took place in Europe and was done on an industrial scale. We should not forget. If that's the attitude your grandchildren will be saying the same thing you are saying now "it's so sad, how did it all happen under our nose" Couldn't of said it any better myself. Also its only the Jews that say 6million Jews died what about the Gypsy's,Communist's old and infirm that died you Dont here about any remoreal for them just the Jews made the holocaust which by the way in Hebrew means (Religious offering/Burning) there reason for the atrocities the state of Israhell commits everyday Nothing in this message is true. Ah well, ignorance and the sentiments expressed in it usually go together. some of it is true, I could look up the figures for the gypsies, slavs, homosexuals, Jehovah's witnesses, the disabled and various eastern European nationals (pow or civilian) as we all seem to just remember the jews "Not all. Some of us also remember the others but the only ones who were being killed for the sin of having been born were Jews, Gypsies and the disabled. There are books and sites that everyone can read instead of promoting hateful stereotypes. Search "O Porraimos" for information about the Gypsy Holocaust. | |||
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"What shocks me is the fact there were women SS guards too, you'd think a woman would have more compassion especially when it came to killing babies and small children. Monsters all of them. " Actually, they weren't monsters. That's what makes their barbaric policies and actions so monstrous. | |||
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" If the west tries to interfere in genocide today then it is an "illegal war" and "why should we put our soldiers at risk? Its their problem" and "we could spend the millions of pounds better on the NHS and free say day care for toddlers!!!" We remember the Holocaust because it took place in Europe and was done on an industrial scale. We should not forget. If that's the attitude your grandchildren will be saying the same thing you are saying now "it's so sad, how did it all happen under our nose" Couldn't of said it any better myself. Also its only the Jews that say 6million Jews died what about the Gypsy's,Communist's old and infirm that died you Dont here about any remoreal for them just the Jews made the holocaust which by the way in Hebrew means (Religious offering/Burning) there reason for the atrocities the state of Israhell commits everyday Nothing in this message is true. Ah well, ignorance and the sentiments expressed in it usually go together. some of it is true, I could look up the figures for the gypsies, slavs, homosexuals, Jehovah's witnesses, the disabled and various eastern European nationals (pow or civilian) as we all seem to just remember the jews "Yes other groups of people were indeed murdered quite as callously as the Jews. However, (and it's a pretty big 'however') the Final Solution (to the Jewish Question to give it its full title) was a complex, large scale deliberate and conscious act of almost total genocide against Jewish people. The policy was finalised at the infamous meeting at Wannsee, Berlin in 1942 where Reinhard Heydrich chaired a group of Nazis including people involved in industry and transport. No element of organisation was over looked. This was as a direct result of Hitler's wish to eliminate all Jews from Europe. Furthermore, the Nazis also drew up maps of Europe labelling each country with the estimated number of Jews living there to be murdered, including Britain. No other group was afforded this particular attention which is why most refer to the Holocaust or Shoah as a uniquely Jewish issue. | |||
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"70 years on, and no matter how many times i see film footage,or read something or see pictures of it i am still saddened by it......How full of hatred were the ss to think what what they were doing was acceptable......" And isis r just the same | |||
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"15000 hugarian pow's were used to build Auschwitz. By the time it was liberated only 92 had survived" . That's strange, I always thought Hungary was part of the axis | |||
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" If the west tries to interfere in genocide today then it is an "illegal war" and "why should we put our soldiers at risk? Its their problem" and "we could spend the millions of pounds better on the NHS and free say day care for toddlers!!!" We remember the Holocaust because it took place in Europe and was done on an industrial scale. We should not forget. If that's the attitude your grandchildren will be saying the same thing you are saying now "it's so sad, how did it all happen under our nose" Couldn't of said it any better myself. Also its only the Jews that say 6million Jews died what about the Gypsy's,Communist's old and infirm that died you Dont here about any remoreal for them just the Jews made the holocaust which by the way in Hebrew means (Religious offering/Burning) there reason for the atrocities the state of Israhell commits everyday Nothing in this message is true. Ah well, ignorance and the sentiments expressed in it usually go together. some of it is true, I could look up the figures for the gypsies, slavs, homosexuals, Jehovah's witnesses, the disabled and various eastern European nationals (pow or civilian) as we all seem to just remember the jews
Yes other groups of people were indeed murdered quite as callously as the Jews.
However, (and it's a pretty big 'however') the Final Solution (to the Jewish Question to give it its full title) was a complex, large scale deliberate and conscious act of almost total genocide against Jewish people. The policy was finalised at the infamous meeting at Wannsee, Berlin in 1942 where Reinhard Heydrich chaired a group of Nazis including people involved in industry and transport. No element of organisation was over looked.
This was as a direct result of Hitler's wish to eliminate all Jews from Europe.
Furthermore, the Nazis also drew up maps of Europe labelling each country with the estimated number of Jews living there to be murdered, including Britain. No other group was afforded this particular attention which is why most refer to the Holocaust or Shoah as a uniquely Jewish issue. ". Or it could be the media isn't quite as dominated by roma gypsies. | |||
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"15000 hugarian pow's were used to build Auschwitz. By the time it was liberated only 92 had survived. That's strange, I always thought Hungary was part of the axis" that's what I thought but was reading about it this afternoon. There was s good documentary on tv the other night which showed footage that was shot by British and American army cameramen when they liberated the camps... The army went and got all the people who lived in the towns surrounding the camps and made them see what exactly had been going on. The ss guards and officers were used to bury all the dead...some of the footage was harrowing | |||
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"Wasn't just the SS There were two branches of SS Waffen SS or armed SS ie soldiers and the SS Totenkopfverbände which were camp guards Not every German was a nazi" . I would say that seen as the high command made a deliberate effort to make sure all the extermination camps were outside of Germany and primarily run by non Germans they were obviously trying to hide the atrocities from the average German soldier/citizen. | |||
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"In modern times I believe there are leaders who would happily 'purify' their countries and those around them! It's our global responsibility as human beings to make sure they don't! In the case of Rwanda though we failed miserably! I spent many evenings in tears watching the news - wondering why those who could have stopped it were just allowing it to happen! The only answer I could come up with is that the Rwandans had no oil! A hard lesson for an idealistic young woman to learn! "Paula you are so right, it is to our everlasting shame that we stood and did nothing about Rwanda, yet chose to invade Iraq for a second time.  | |||
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" If the west tries to interfere in genocide today then it is an "illegal war" and "why should we put our soldiers at risk? Its their problem" and "we could spend the millions of pounds better on the NHS and free say day care for toddlers!!!" We remember the Holocaust because it took place in Europe and was done on an industrial scale. We should not forget. If that's the attitude your grandchildren will be saying the same thing you are saying now "it's so sad, how did it all happen under our nose" Couldn't of said it any better myself. Also its only the Jews that say 6million Jews died what about the Gypsy's,Communist's old and infirm that died you Dont here about any remoreal for them just the Jews made the holocaust which by the way in Hebrew means (Religious offering/Burning) there reason for the atrocities the state of Israhell commits everyday Nothing in this message is true. Ah well, ignorance and the sentiments expressed in it usually go together. some of it is true, I could look up the figures for the gypsies, slavs, homosexuals, Jehovah's witnesses, the disabled and various eastern European nationals (pow or civilian) as we all seem to just remember the jews
Yes other groups of people were indeed murdered quite as callously as the Jews.
However, (and it's a pretty big 'however') the Final Solution (to the Jewish Question to give it its full title) was a complex, large scale deliberate and conscious act of almost total genocide against Jewish people. The policy was finalised at the infamous meeting at Wannsee, Berlin in 1942 where Reinhard Heydrich chaired a group of Nazis including people involved in industry and transport. No element of organisation was over looked.
This was as a direct result of Hitler's wish to eliminate all Jews from Europe.
Furthermore, the Nazis also drew up maps of Europe labelling each country with the estimated number of Jews living there to be murdered, including Britain. No other group was afforded this particular attention which is why most refer to the Holocaust or Shoah as a uniquely Jewish issue. .
Or it could be the media isn't quite as dominated by roma gypsies."Nothing to do with the media. The evidence speaks for itself. | |||
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"I think the average Russian sees Auschwitz not as a Jewish death camp but as a pow death camp as before they murdered Jews there, they murdered an awful lot of Russian pows. The average polish person sees Auschwitz as the terrible camp they took polish resistance/descenters there and murdered them before they took Jews there. The average Romanian sees it not as a Jewish death camp but the camp they took Romanian gypsies/ homeless/ trouble makers and murdered them there before the Jews. The truth is Auschwitz is an awful different thing for different nationality's, the only common theme being everyone who went there was treated awfully." Averages and average perceptions are really deceptive aren't they? For Auschwitz alone, the numbers are totally sickening but estimated deaths are: Total, about 1.1 million of which some of the main groups were: 960000 Jewish (mainly 400000 Hungarian, 300000 Polish) 75000 non Jewish Poles 25000 Roma/Sinti 15000 Soviet POWs These are huge numbers of murders for each of those groups and many others (disabled, black, slavic, ukrainian, homosexual,catholic priests etc etc), but it would seem insensitive for anyone to infer that the Jewish influence on the media was overstating the impact on Jewish people. Who was killed first isn't really relevant is it? And Auschwitz was only part of a vast state killing machine that killed 6 million Jewish people and 250000 Roma as well as many many others. It's hard to believe that anyone with any sensitivity can be an apologist for any part of this. | |||
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"I think the average Russian sees Auschwitz not as a Jewish death camp but as a pow death camp as before they murdered Jews there, they murdered an awful lot of Russian pows. The average polish person sees Auschwitz as the terrible camp they took polish resistance/descenters there and murdered them before they took Jews there. The average Romanian sees it not as a Jewish death camp but the camp they took Romanian gypsies/ homeless/ trouble makers and murdered them there before the Jews. The truth is Auschwitz is an awful different thing for different nationality's, the only common theme being everyone who went there was treated awfully." Polish people do see it as a camp where Poles died BUT they, most importantly, see it as primarily used as a means of committing genocide against the Jews. I am referring specifically to the death camp part of the Auschwitz complex of camps. The part known as Auschwitz-Birkenau. | |||
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" If the west tries to interfere in genocide today then it is an "illegal war" and "why should we put our soldiers at risk? Its their problem" and "we could spend the millions of pounds better on the NHS and free say day care for toddlers!!!" We remember the Holocaust because it took place in Europe and was done on an industrial scale. We should not forget. If that's the attitude your grandchildren will be saying the same thing you are saying now "it's so sad, how did it all happen under our nose" Couldn't of said it any better myself. Also its only the Jews that say 6million Jews died what about the Gypsy's,Communist's old and infirm that died you Dont here about any remoreal for them just the Jews made the holocaust which by the way in Hebrew means (Religious offering/Burning) there reason for the atrocities the state of Israhell commits everyday Nothing in this message is true. Ah well, ignorance and the sentiments expressed in it usually go together. some of it is true, I could look up the figures for the gypsies, slavs, homosexuals, Jehovah's witnesses, the disabled and various eastern European nationals (pow or civilian) as we all seem to just remember the jews "Just you mentioning this means what you've just written isn't true. | |||
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"Wasn't just the SS There were two branches of SS Waffen SS or armed SS ie soldiers and the SS Totenkopfverbände which were camp guards Not every German was a nazi. I would say that seen as the high command made a deliberate effort to make sure all the extermination camps were outside of Germany and primarily run by non Germans they were obviously trying to hide the atrocities from the average German soldier/citizen." Read 'Hitler's Willing Executioners' by Daniel Goldhagen which completely debunks that idea that the average German knew nothing. | |||
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"Wasn't just the SS There were two branches of SS Waffen SS or armed SS ie soldiers and the SS Totenkopfverbände which were camp guards Not every German was a nazi" The key book to read on this is Ordinary Men by Chris Browning. This deals with Police reserve battalion 101, a group of very ordinary chaps from Hamburg, who shot Jews in Poland. They neither protested their orders nor celebrated them, but just carried them out. | |||
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"Wasn't just the SS There were two branches of SS Waffen SS or armed SS ie soldiers and the SS Totenkopfverbände which were camp guards Not every German was a nazi. I would say that seen as the high command made a deliberate effort to make sure all the extermination camps were outside of Germany and primarily run by non Germans they were obviously trying to hide the atrocities from the average German soldier/citizen. Read 'Hitler's Willing Executioners' by Daniel Goldhagen which completely debunks that idea that the average German knew nothing." It certainly wasn't a handful of people who were Nazis or camp followers. They got about 17 million votes (electorate was about 40 million) in 1933. The Nazi party membership peaked at between 6 and 8 million. That's a significant number in my book | |||
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"Wasn't just the SS There were two branches of SS Waffen SS or armed SS ie soldiers and the SS Totenkopfverbände which were camp guards Not every German was a nazi. I would say that seen as the high command made a deliberate effort to make sure all the extermination camps were outside of Germany and primarily run by non Germans they were obviously trying to hide the atrocities from the average German soldier/citizen. Read 'Hitler's Willing Executioners' by Daniel Goldhagen which completely debunks that idea that the average German knew nothing." . I didn't say they knew nothing, my point was they obviously didn't have much belief that the general population would back it or they wouldn't have gone to the lengths they did to hide it. In the past i've read many books on the Nazi regime! | |||
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"I think the average Russian sees Auschwitz not as a Jewish death camp but as a pow death camp as before they murdered Jews there, they murdered an awful lot of Russian pows. The average polish person sees Auschwitz as the terrible camp they took polish resistance/descenters there and murdered them before they took Jews there. The average Romanian sees it not as a Jewish death camp but the camp they took Romanian gypsies/ homeless/ trouble makers and murdered them there before the Jews. The truth is Auschwitz is an awful different thing for different nationality's, the only common theme being everyone who went there was treated awfully. Polish people do see it as a camp where Poles died BUT they, most importantly, see it as primarily used as a means of committing genocide against the Jews. I am referring specifically to the death camp part of the Auschwitz complex of camps. The part known as Auschwitz-Birkenau. " . That's because birkenau was specific building in the camp to Jewish murder. Auschwitz was 40km² and housed tens of thousands. My point was it isn't seen as we see, it many other parts of the world because different people had different experiences. | |||
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" If the west tries to interfere in genocide today then it is an "illegal war" and "why should we put our soldiers at risk? Its their problem" and "we could spend the millions of pounds better on the NHS and free say day care for toddlers!!!" We remember the Holocaust because it took place in Europe and was done on an industrial scale. We should not forget. If that's the attitude your grandchildren will be saying the same thing you are saying now "it's so sad, how did it all happen under our nose" Couldn't of said it any better myself. Also its only the Jews that say 6million Jews died what about the Gypsy's,Communist's old and infirm that died you Dont here about any remoreal for them just the Jews made the holocaust which by the way in Hebrew means (Religious offering/Burning) there reason for the atrocities the state of Israhell commits everyday Nothing in this message is true. Ah well, ignorance and the sentiments expressed in it usually go together. some of it is true, I could look up the figures for the gypsies, slavs, homosexuals, Jehovah's witnesses, the disabled and various eastern European nationals (pow or civilian) as we all seem to just remember the jews
Yes other groups of people were indeed murdered quite as callously as the Jews.
However, (and it's a pretty big 'however') the Final Solution (to the Jewish Question to give it its full title) was a complex, large scale deliberate and conscious act of almost total genocide against Jewish people. The policy was finalised at the infamous meeting at Wannsee, Berlin in 1942 where Reinhard Heydrich chaired a group of Nazis including people involved in industry and transport. No element of organisation was over looked.
This was as a direct result of Hitler's wish to eliminate all Jews from Europe.
Furthermore, the Nazis also drew up maps of Europe labelling each country with the estimated number of Jews living there to be murdered, including Britain. No other group was afforded this particular attention which is why most refer to the Holocaust or Shoah as a uniquely Jewish issue. .
Or it could be the media isn't quite as dominated by roma gypsies.
Nothing to do with the media. The evidence speaks for itself. ". If that were the case how come nobody speaks up the same for the five million non Jews who were exterminated. Not everything has to be a conspiracy you know!. If there's considerable Jewish people who work in film and television, I'm pretty sure there'd be keen to obviously put the dreadful events that happened to the Jewish section across. That's not to say they make more of a case or less just that a certain section gets less attention. The fact of the matter is that for all the terrible events that went on there the vast majority of the public are very unaware of the detail. Even though there is an extremely high percentage of the people who use the forums that have visited the death camps, that fact is not the same in the general population. | |||
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" If the west tries to interfere in genocide today then it is an "illegal war" and "why should we put our soldiers at risk? Its their problem" and "we could spend the millions of pounds better on the NHS and free say day care for toddlers!!!" We remember the Holocaust because it took place in Europe and was done on an industrial scale. We should not forget. If that's the attitude your grandchildren will be saying the same thing you are saying now "it's so sad, how did it all happen under our nose" Couldn't of said it any better myself. Also its only the Jews that say 6million Jews died what about the Gypsy's,Communist's old and infirm that died you Dont here about any remoreal for them just the Jews made the holocaust which by the way in Hebrew means (Religious offering/Burning) there reason for the atrocities the state of Israhell commits everyday Nothing in this message is true. Ah well, ignorance and the sentiments expressed in it usually go together. some of it is true, I could look up the figures for the gypsies, slavs, homosexuals, Jehovah's witnesses, the disabled and various eastern European nationals (pow or civilian) as we all seem to just remember the jews
Yes other groups of people were indeed murdered quite as callously as the Jews.
However, (and it's a pretty big 'however') the Final Solution (to the Jewish Question to give it its full title) was a complex, large scale deliberate and conscious act of almost total genocide against Jewish people. The policy was finalised at the infamous meeting at Wannsee, Berlin in 1942 where Reinhard Heydrich chaired a group of Nazis including people involved in industry and transport. No element of organisation was over looked.
This was as a direct result of Hitler's wish to eliminate all Jews from Europe.
Furthermore, the Nazis also drew up maps of Europe labelling each country with the estimated number of Jews living there to be murdered, including Britain. No other group was afforded this particular attention which is why most refer to the Holocaust or Shoah as a uniquely Jewish issue. .
Or it could be the media isn't quite as dominated by roma gypsies.
Nothing to do with the media. The evidence speaks for itself. .
If that were the case how come nobody speaks up the same for the five million non Jews who were exterminated.
Not everything has to be a conspiracy you know!.
If there's considerable Jewish people who work in film and television, I'm pretty sure there'd be keen to obviously put the dreadful events that happened to the Jewish section across.
That's not to say they make more of a case or less just that a certain section gets less attention.
The fact of the matter is that for all the terrible events that went on there the vast majority of the public are very unaware of the detail.
Even though there is an extremely high percentage of the people who use the forums that have visited the death camps, that fact is not the same in the general population."The facts are all provable. There is amountain of evidence which proves entirely that the Final Solution was a deliberate policy of genocide towards the Jews. I can't understand why you are trying to say it isn't so. Google the Nizkor Project. There's plenty of evidence there - enough for even the most vehement Holocaust denier. | |||
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" If the west tries to interfere in genocide today then it is an "illegal war" and "why should we put our soldiers at risk? Its their problem" and "we could spend the millions of pounds better on the NHS and free say day care for toddlers!!!" We remember the Holocaust because it took place in Europe and was done on an industrial scale. We should not forget. If that's the attitude your grandchildren will be saying the same thing you are saying now "it's so sad, how did it all happen under our nose" Couldn't of said it any better myself. Also its only the Jews that say 6million Jews died what about the Gypsy's,Communist's old and infirm that died you Dont here about any remoreal for them just the Jews made the holocaust which by the way in Hebrew means (Religious offering/Burning) there reason for the atrocities the state of Israhell commits everyday Nothing in this message is true. Ah well, ignorance and the sentiments expressed in it usually go together. some of it is true, I could look up the figures for the gypsies, slavs, homosexuals, Jehovah's witnesses, the disabled and various eastern European nationals (pow or civilian) as we all seem to just remember the jews
Yes other groups of people were indeed murdered quite as callously as the Jews.
However, (and it's a pretty big 'however') the Final Solution (to the Jewish Question to give it its full title) was a complex, large scale deliberate and conscious act of almost total genocide against Jewish people. The policy was finalised at the infamous meeting at Wannsee, Berlin in 1942 where Reinhard Heydrich chaired a group of Nazis including people involved in industry and transport. No element of organisation was over looked.
This was as a direct result of Hitler's wish to eliminate all Jews from Europe.
Furthermore, the Nazis also drew up maps of Europe labelling each country with the estimated number of Jews living there to be murdered, including Britain. No other group was afforded this particular attention which is why most refer to the Holocaust or Shoah as a uniquely Jewish issue. .
Or it could be the media isn't quite as dominated by roma gypsies.
Nothing to do with the media. The evidence speaks for itself. .
If that were the case how come nobody speaks up the same for the five million non Jews who were exterminated.
Not everything has to be a conspiracy you know!.
If there's considerable Jewish people who work in film and television, I'm pretty sure there'd be keen to obviously put the dreadful events that happened to the Jewish section across.
That's not to say they make more of a case or less just that a certain section gets less attention.
The fact of the matter is that for all the terrible events that went on there the vast majority of the public are very unaware of the detail.
Even though there is an extremely high percentage of the people who use the forums that have visited the death camps, that fact is not the same in the general population.
The facts are all provable. There is amountain of evidence which proves entirely that the Final Solution was a deliberate policy of genocide towards the Jews.
I can't understand why you are trying to say it isn't so.
Google the Nizkor Project. There's plenty of evidence there - enough for even the most vehement Holocaust denier. ". Where did I say it wasn't... Try reading something I write for once. | |||
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"I think the average Russian sees Auschwitz not as a Jewish death camp but as a pow death camp as before they murdered Jews there, they murdered an awful lot of Russian pows. The average polish person sees Auschwitz as the terrible camp they took polish resistance/descenters there and murdered them before they took Jews there. The average Romanian sees it not as a Jewish death camp but the camp they took Romanian gypsies/ homeless/ trouble makers and murdered them there before the Jews. The truth is Auschwitz is an awful different thing for different nationality's, the only common theme being everyone who went there was treated awfully." We all see things differently. For me Auschwitz is the place where my great grandparents were murdered. | |||
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"It stands to reason with only simplistic logic that the concentration camps would have a limited capacity, meaning that if train loads of people are continuously being shipped in with none coming out then there is only one conclusion. People operating the transport system at the very least had an 'idea' of what was going on. In fact, in post war interviews some of them have said as much. But even today, it still seems incomprehensible that such things did take place. Perhaps the ethnic/health status/life style of the victims should not be mentioned to avoid it sounding like a 'who suffered the most' competition, they were all victims. Equally the perpetrators should only be referred to as Nazi's without any emphasis on the fact they were mostly Germans. I cannot think of anything else remotely constructive to add to this thread other than the fact that for me personally, War and the atrocities that go with it, make me feel ashamed to be a member of the same species that will always try and justify its tendency to destroy its own species. Typically followed it seems by victims claiming the right to be the most victimised victim of the nastiest aggressor... mean time, around the world, the contest continues. " here here | |||
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