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"Use cauliflower as rice (whizz it in Blitzer the steam in micro with no water) use courgettes as pasta for a bolognaise (that's my dinner tonight)" Booooom! You know your shit! Good tips! | |||
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"I've been doing this but can't have dairy either so totally fed up "Same here although I've fallen off the low carb wagon recently....Must get back on it!!! | |||
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"Buy 95%+ meat sausages as they are full of carbs in the lesser graded ones" Yeah some sausages are more bread than meat! 
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"I've been doing this but can't have dairy either so totally fed up "I did it, and I was dairy free too. The. I discovered I feel really sick whenever I eat eggs so it became a bit ridiculous. | |||
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"Fry everything in coconut oil (super healthy) and use peanut butter for healthy fats and to make sure your calories don't go too low. After 6/7 days of low calories your body produced less leptin and therfore your metabolism virtually stops. I read a lot "What this guy says 
Hence why slimfast and other such diets dont work... you lose weight when you do them, but as soon as you eat normally again your metabolism can't keep up and you gain more weight... | |||
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"fun fact on sausages... Richmond brand only contain 42% meat!! Not ever HALF!! Sainsburys basic brand (you know, like 55p a pack) have over 50%... it's bad when the basics range is actually better lol NO carbs is a bad idea though... low carbs yes, but don't cut out established healthy foods for the sake of not eating carbs - just have a smaller portion of them. Just avoid the big ones (Bread, Pasta, Rice, Flour, White Potatos) No sense in telling yourself you're not allowed an apple as a snack just because it has a couple of carbs in...." Sod it ill start tomorrow. Friends invited me round for fry up! Lmfao tomorrow! | |||
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"Any meal ideas? I'm doing it for 2 weeks as merely a kick start! How hard can it be... cheese; sausages; eggs!! Mmmmm!!!" There is no quick fix bro just eat clean clean clean , then if you get stuck towards the end maybe try some intermittent fasting without dropping maintnace calories , just an idea works for some not others , I'd say if you have a labour intensive job don't zero your carbs your want to rip someone's head off , good luck with your journey . | |||
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"You need carbs for energy. Everything has carbs in it. You just need to work out the good from the bad. Calculate your TDEE and use My Fitness Pal to track your intake. " Not true. You need a small amount of carbs but it's really not much. It's entirely possible to live long-term, quite healthily, on 20g carbs per day. There are people here that do. If you cut carbs to a low level, you switch into a mode called ketosis and you burn fat for energy. The fat is broken down into ketones and these are burnt for energy. The body can run perfectly well, normally in fact, long term on ketones. | |||
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"low carb diets are silly ,wanna lose weight just eat LESS and exercise, ie walk jog join a gym" Sometimes low carb diets are very sensible. A lot of diabetic people eat low carb permanently as a means - a very effective one - of controlling the condition. Anyone who is insulin resistant may find it difficult, if not impossible, to lose weight without cutting carbs to very low levels. | |||
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"low carb diets are silly ,wanna lose weight just eat LESS and exercise, ie walk jog join a gym Sometimes low carb diets are very sensible. A lot of diabetic people eat low carb permanently as a means - a very effective one - of controlling the condition. Anyone who is insulin resistant may find it difficult, if not impossible, to lose weight without cutting carbs to very low levels." well ya live n learn I did,nt know that I was purely talking bout losing weight and to me that's simple just eat less no need for faddy diets | |||
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"CHANGE your diet. Don't go on a diet. Don't cut out carbs or listen to anybody that tells you its a good idea. Maybe go to a personal trainer and pay for a diet plan. Weight will fall off you and discuss What foods you like and don't like and let them build a plan around that. " Sometimes cutting carbs to a low level is a very good idea. There are people on here who live on under 20g of carbs per day and have done for years. Blanket statements like yours are inaccurate and unhelpful. It's necessary to understand how low carbing works and to do it right but it's not unhealthy at all. It's vital to ensure you get enough nutrients and to stay hydrated. It's important to get an appropriate level of calories for your life style. If you're active you'll need more than if you're not, for example. | |||
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"lol does no one think just eating less might work" It's not always that easy. There are conditions, such as insulin resistance, which is not uncommon, which make losing weight very difficult. In some cases eat less, move more will work. The people for whom eat less, move more works will generally never understand this. Please take it from me though, sometimes eat less and move more are not, at least not by themselves, the answer. | |||
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"lol does no one think just eating less might work It's not always that easy. There are conditions, such as insulin resistance, which is not uncommon, which make losing weight very difficult. In some cases eat less, move more will work. The people for whom eat less, move more works will generally never understand this. Please take it from me though, sometimes eat less and move more are not, at least not by themselves, the answer." I think in most cases that eating less will work and does. but its interesting what you,ve been saying as I never knew that,never crossed my mind,,so fare nuff. | |||
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"All of those have carbs in" Many cheeses have only trace amounts and some manufacturers report that on the labels only to cover their arses. Unless it's got cranberries or onion or something in, the chances are it will be more or less carb free. Not that I'd advocate trying to cut out carbs completely. The brain doesn't run well on ketones, for example, and needs small quantities of carbs. | |||
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"low carb diets are silly ,wanna lose weight just eat LESS and exercise, ie walk jog join a gym" I dont actually eat much but it never worked and i went to the gym! I found out that due to health problems cutting out starchy carbs helped me lose a shit ton of weight and keeps me pain/bloating to a minimum | |||
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"I've been doing this but can't have dairy either so totally fed up
I did it, and I was dairy free too. The. I discovered I feel really sick whenever I eat eggs so it became a bit ridiculous."Protein shake anyone? 
It isn't suitable for everyone, I totally agree. It makes my mum feel ill. | |||
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"lol does no one think just eating less might work It's not always that easy. There are conditions, such as insulin resistance, which is not uncommon, which make losing weight very difficult. In some cases eat less, move more will work. The people for whom eat less, move more works will generally never understand this. Please take it from me though, sometimes eat less and move more are not, at least not by themselves, the answer." Sadly this is true, I eat well and exercise 3/4 times a week but struggle to lose weight due to hormone imbalance and insulin sensitivity, if it was simply eat less move more obesity would not be as big a problem as it is | |||
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"Cutting out carbs does not work for everyone. We all have different genes and all our bodies are unique. So while it may work for some it may have an adverse effect on others. " We all have the ketogenic metabolic pathway. But yes, some are not well suited to it. Just as eat less and move more doesn't work for some. | |||
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"CHANGE your diet. Don't go on a diet. Don't cut out carbs or listen to anybody that tells you its a good idea. Maybe go to a personal trainer and pay for a diet plan. Weight will fall off you and discuss What foods you like and don't like and let them build a plan around that. " this | |||
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"lol does no one think just eating less might work It's not always that easy. There are conditions, such as insulin resistance, which is not uncommon, which make losing weight very difficult. In some cases eat less, move more will work. The people for whom eat less, move more works will generally never understand this. Please take it from me though, sometimes eat less and move more are not, at least not by themselves, the answer. Sadly this is true, I eat well and exercise 3/4 times a week but struggle to lose weight due to hormone imbalance and insulin sensitivity, if it was simply eat less move more obesity would not be as big a problem as it is " | |||
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"low carb diets are silly ,wanna lose weight just eat LESS and exercise, ie walk jog join a gym I dont actually eat much but it never worked and i went to the gym! I found out that due to health problems cutting out starchy carbs helped me lose a shit ton of weight and keeps me pain/bloating to a minimum " oh cool,glad it works for you. lol think I,ll shut up then,i was talking in general though. | |||
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"lol does no one think just eating less might work It's not always that easy. There are conditions, such as insulin resistance, which is not uncommon, which make losing weight very difficult. In some cases eat less, move more will work. The people for whom eat less, move more works will generally never understand this. Please take it from me though, sometimes eat less and move more are not, at least not by themselves, the answer." But the guy has packed up the tabs and just wants to shift the extra timber, eat less do more (reduce calorific intake increase calorific spend) and it's simple physiology that you will lose weight | |||
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"I've been doing this but can't have dairy either so totally fed up
I did it, and I was dairy free too. The. I discovered I feel really sick whenever I eat eggs so it became a bit ridiculous.
Protein shake anyone?
It isn't suitable for everyone, I totally agree. It makes my mum feel ill."gotta have the right shake for you if my shake has bcaa or createine in if gives me a bad belly if I have just whey protein isolate I'm fine , buy the little taster pack to find what works . | |||
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"low carb diets are silly ,wanna lose weight just eat LESS and exercise, ie walk jog join a gym I dont actually eat much but it never worked and i went to the gym! I found out that due to health problems cutting out starchy carbs helped me lose a shit ton of weight and keeps me pain/bloating to a minimum " Those who eat less, move more works for will never understand this. I think they'll always see it as a faddy diet. They end up putting off people who would really benefit from it. | |||
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"low carb diets are silly ,wanna lose weight just eat LESS and exercise, ie walk jog join a gym I dont actually eat much but it never worked and i went to the gym! I found out that due to health problems cutting out starchy carbs helped me lose a shit ton of weight and keeps me pain/bloating to a minimum oh cool,glad it works for you. lol think I,ll shut up then,i was talking in general though." Oh I know but I think everyones bodies are different and sometimee takes time to work out if there is an underlying reason.. Its a good starting point though | |||
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"Fry everything in coconut oil (super healthy) and use peanut butter for healthy fats and to make sure your calories don't go too low. After 6/7 days of low calories your body produced less leptin and therfore your metabolism virtually stops. I read a lot
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Hence why slimfast and other such diets dont work... you lose weight when you do them, but as soon as you eat normally again your metabolism can't keep up and you gain more weight..." | |||
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"Any meal ideas? I'm doing it for 2 weeks as merely a kick start! How hard can it be... cheese; sausages; eggs!! Mmmmm!!! There is no quick fix bro just eat clean clean clean , then if you get stuck towards the end maybe try some intermittent fasting without dropping maintnace calories , just an idea works for some not others , I'd say if you have a labour intensive job don't zero your carbs your want to rip someone's head off , good luck with your journey . " Completely agree with this gentleman. I ate low carb and coupled it with 16:8 intermittent fasting (essentially lean gains) and got some decent fat loss out of it last summer. My mate on the other hand couldn't hack it. I'll get back on it end of Feb but I'm on a bulk at the minute. The only downside is I got really, really sick of eggs. | |||
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"low carb diets are silly ,wanna lose weight just eat LESS and exercise, ie walk jog join a gym I dont actually eat much but it never worked and i went to the gym! I found out that due to health problems cutting out starchy carbs helped me lose a shit ton of weight and keeps me pain/bloating to a minimum Those who eat less, move more works for will never understand this. I think they'll always see it as a faddy diet. They end up putting off people who would really benefit from it." See i saw mine as a lifestyle change not a diet so its not a temptation to break the diet.. | |||
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"lol does no one think just eating less might work It's not always that easy. There are conditions, such as insulin resistance, which is not uncommon, which make losing weight very difficult. In some cases eat less, move more will work. The people for whom eat less, move more works will generally never understand this. Please take it from me though, sometimes eat less and move more are not, at least not by themselves, the answer. But the guy has packed up the tabs and just wants to shift the extra timber, eat less do more (reduce calorific intake increase calorific spend) and it's simple physiology that you will lose weight " *sigh* No it isn't. Some people struggle to lose weight even on very low calorie intakes and when exercising. There are people on this thread who attest to that. It's miserable and very difficult to live on a very low calorie diet long term. Why, when low carbing prevents that need, perfectly healthily, would you want people to, or expect people to, live a miserable diet, a slave to feeling hungry and deprived? | |||
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"You need carbs for energy. Everything has carbs in it. You just need to work out the good from the bad. Calculate your TDEE and use My Fitness Pal to track your intake. Not true. You need a small amount of carbs but it's really not much. It's entirely possible to live long-term, quite healthily, on 20g carbs per day. There are people here that do. If you cut carbs to a low level, you switch into a mode called ketosis and you burn fat for energy. The fat is broken down into ketones and these are burnt for energy. The body can run perfectly well, normally in fact, long term on ketones." I probably assumed he needed carbs for energy if he was working out. | |||
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"You need carbs for energy. Everything has carbs in it. You just need to work out the good from the bad. Calculate your TDEE and use My Fitness Pal to track your intake. Not true. You need a small amount of carbs but it's really not much. It's entirely possible to live long-term, quite healthily, on 20g carbs per day. There are people here that do. If you cut carbs to a low level, you switch into a mode called ketosis and you burn fat for energy. The fat is broken down into ketones and these are burnt for energy. The body can run perfectly well, normally in fact, long term on ketones. I probably assumed he needed carbs for energy if he was working out. " You can still work out when running on ketones. It depends on what level you're working at though and what you want to achieve. It's an individual thing and different things suit different people. | |||
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"Cutting out carbs does not work for everyone. We all have different genes and all our bodies are unique. So while it may work for some it may have an adverse effect on others. We all have the ketogenic metabolic pathway. But yes, some are not well suited to it. Just as eat less and move more doesn't work for some." Well you buy into the ketogenic whatever you call it...I don't I eat what I need at that time and if I want to eat a big fat jacket potato I will. I am an active person and weight is currently shifting off me. But it's down to individual preferences | |||
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"Yeah I know you can but I personally wouldn't recommend it. On a cut, 150g of carbs is bad enough when lifting and it feels like it isn't enough. Then again I'm eating 400-500g of carbs a day at the moment so I'm loving it " I'm on a maximum of 50g! That said, mine isn't for weight loss, or not primarily for weight loss. I ought to be on a low carb diet long term for other reasons but I tend to fall off the wagon when I'm stressed. The longest I've managed is 14 months. I know someone on here who has done it for getting on for 10 years. She goes to the gym regularly but obviously isn't trying to lift heavy or bulk up. | |||
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"Cutting out carbs does not work for everyone. We all have different genes and all our bodies are unique. So while it may work for some it may have an adverse effect on others. We all have the ketogenic metabolic pathway. But yes, some are not well suited to it. Just as eat less and move more doesn't work for some. Well you buy into the ketogenic whatever you call it...I don't I eat what I need at that time and if I want to eat a big fat jacket potato I will. I am an active person and weight is currently shifting off me. But it's down to individual preferences " That's good. There's no reason not to "buy into" ketogenic diets. The science is well established and sound. Topsy totally manages her diabetes that way and has blood levels better than most non-diabetics. Sure it's preference, but in her case it's a choice between managed diabetes and unmanaged diabetes. I'm not saying low carbing is right for everyone. I'm saying it's not a fad diet, it's not unhealthy and it's a good diet for some people. Personally I wish my mum wouldn't do it because she uses it as a yo-yo diet and it tends to make her ill  | |||
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"lol does no one think just eating less might work It's not always that easy. There are conditions, such as insulin resistance, which is not uncommon, which make losing weight very difficult. In some cases eat less, move more will work. The people for whom eat less, move more works will generally never understand this. Please take it from me though, sometimes eat less and move more are not, at least not by themselves, the answer. But the guy has packed up the tabs and just wants to shift the extra timber, eat less do more (reduce calorific intake increase calorific spend) and it's simple physiology that you will lose weight *sigh* No it isn't. Some people struggle to lose weight even on very low calorie intakes and when exercising. There are people on this thread who attest to that. It's miserable and very difficult to live on a very low calorie diet long term. Why, when low carbing prevents that need, perfectly healthily, would you want people to, or expect people to, live a miserable diet, a slave to feeling hungry and deprived?" Who's said anything about a low calorie diet or being a slave to feeling hungry or deprived!?, look at my first post that said eat what you want when you want but just eat less of it. The op said he's packed up smoking and has put on weight, if he wants to lose it again burning more calories than are consumed will result in weight loss!! Bizarrely countless millions of asians eat rice on a daily basis but don't balloon with weight, millions of central south Americans eat wheat/corn/barley on a daily basis but don't balloon with weight gain! | |||
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"lol does no one think just eating less might work It's not always that easy. There are conditions, such as insulin resistance, which is not uncommon, which make losing weight very difficult. In some cases eat less, move more will work. The people for whom eat less, move more works will generally never understand this. Please take it from me though, sometimes eat less and move more are not, at least not by themselves, the answer. But the guy has packed up the tabs and just wants to shift the extra timber, eat less do more (reduce calorific intake increase calorific spend) and it's simple physiology that you will lose weight *sigh* No it isn't. Some people struggle to lose weight even on very low calorie intakes and when exercising. There are people on this thread who attest to that. It's miserable and very difficult to live on a very low calorie diet long term. Why, when low carbing prevents that need, perfectly healthily, would you want people to, or expect people to, live a miserable diet, a slave to feeling hungry and deprived? Who's said anything about a low calorie diet or being a slave to feeling hungry or deprived!?, look at my first post that said eat what you want when you want but just eat less of it. The op said he's packed up smoking and has put on weight, if he wants to lose it again burning more calories than are consumed will result in weight loss!! Bizarrely countless millions of asians eat rice on a daily basis but don't balloon with weight, millions of central south Americans eat wheat/corn/barley on a daily basis but don't balloon with weight gain!" You said cutting calories/burning more calories will lead to weight loss. For some people doing that alone requires a ridiculously and miserably low calorie diet. Some people are resistant to losing weight. Look at posts higher up. People have actually said this applies to them. Virtually the only way they can lose weight is to low carb. Cutting calories works *for some*. For others, alone it's not enough to be a practical solution. How do you know the OP isn't insulin resistant, or diabetic, or doesn't have a metabolic condition making it difficult for him to lose weight. You don't. You're just assuming what would work for you will work for him. It may not. | |||
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"Whatever you do just don't listen to people who get their info off tv! Low fat bla bla, wholegrain this and low calories that - gets me angry! Someone mentioned carb cycling which is good, eat them around workouts (assuming you weight train) and ease off them when not working out. " Half the crap you see on tv makes me mad too, eternal suffering diets suck. I've been tempted to have a bash at carb cycling this summer. Does it properly work? I noticed last summer I didn't have the endurance I did when eating carbs. Fourth and fifth sets were an absolute grind comparatively, and by last set I was dropping weight or reps. I guessed it was down to lacking glycogen, would I be right in thinking this? But yeah, does it work? I'd like to maintain as much weight and intensity as I can. | |||
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"I've been doing this but can't have dairy either so totally fed up
I did it, and I was dairy free too. The. I discovered I feel really sick whenever I eat eggs so it became a bit ridiculous."I cant eat eggs either but none of it seems to help!!! Just makes me tired | |||
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"I'd be interested to know how much weight each individual who has posted advice on this thread has lost using their chosen diet plan. I don't advice any diet but I can certainly tell you that a low calorie diet is not a miserable diet at all, I've lost just over 8 stone on low calories and this is someone who has PSOE which makes it harder to lose weight and some of my medication are well known weight gainers. For me the simple answer is find a diet plan that suits you " It's not miserable for you. It is for some people. If low carbing is easier and works, why wouldn't they do that? In the 14 months I low carbed I lost between 3 and 4 stone and my body fat percentage dropped massively. I lost very little lean mass. I can't remember exactly how many pounds it was but I have it written on a card somewhere. Topsy used to be a size 24 and has lost a huge amount of weight, (you'll have to ask her the number) and controls her diabetes this way. She knows far more about it than I do, having lived low carb for approaching 10 years. Again, I stress low carb isn't right for everyone. It's only those that state it's unhealthy or that it's simply down to eat less and move more that I'm disagreeing with. Low carbing suits me. Low calorie and low fat doesn't. Low carbing doesn't suit my mum (though she does it anyway even though it makes her ill) But it's not a fad and it's not dangerous (when done properly, the same as anything). | |||
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"It's sugar you want to cut out, that's what makes you fat. If you prepare and cook whatever you're eating from fresh, nothing processed, you'll lose weight. " Yup! I shop daily or every other day as i buy fresh! Hate processed food with a passion Apart from bacon which is slightly processed with sugar but i have to have one vice | |||
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"I'd be interested to know how much weight each individual who has posted advice on this thread has lost using their chosen diet plan. I don't advice any diet but I can certainly tell you that a low calorie diet is not a miserable diet at all, I've lost just over 8 stone on low calories and this is someone who has PSOE which makes it harder to lose weight and some of my medication are well known weight gainers. For me the simple answer is find a diet plan that suits you It's not miserable for you. It is for some people. If low carbing is easier and works, why wouldn't they do that? In the 14 months I low carbed I lost between 3 and 4 stone and my body fat percentage dropped massively. I lost very little lean mass. I can't remember exactly how many pounds it was but I have it written on a card somewhere. Topsy used to be a size 24 and has lost a huge amount of weight, (you'll have to ask her the number) and controls her diabetes this way. She knows far more about it than I do, having lived low carb for approaching 10 years. Again, I stress low carb isn't right for everyone. It's only those that state it's unhealthy or that it's simply down to eat less and move more that I'm disagreeing with. Low carbing suits me. Low calorie and low fat doesn't. Low carbing doesn't suit my mum (though she does it anyway even though it makes her ill) But it's not a fad and it's not dangerous (when done properly, the same as anything)." I wasn't just asking you how much you had lost but everyone on the thread and if their so easy to follow why do some regain all the weight they have lost. I know topsy has lost lots on her chosen plan but she hasn't posted on this thread. | |||
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"I'd be interested to know how much weight each individual who has posted advice on this thread has lost using their chosen diet plan. I don't advice any diet but I can certainly tell you that a low calorie diet is not a miserable diet at all, I've lost just over 8 stone on low calories and this is someone who has PSOE which makes it harder to lose weight and some of my medication are well known weight gainers. For me the simple answer is find a diet plan that suits you It's not miserable for you. It is for some people. If low carbing is easier and works, why wouldn't they do that? In the 14 months I low carbed I lost between 3 and 4 stone and my body fat percentage dropped massively. I lost very little lean mass. I can't remember exactly how many pounds it was but I have it written on a card somewhere. Topsy used to be a size 24 and has lost a huge amount of weight, (you'll have to ask her the number) and controls her diabetes this way. She knows far more about it than I do, having lived low carb for approaching 10 years. Again, I stress low carb isn't right for everyone. It's only those that state it's unhealthy or that it's simply down to eat less and move more that I'm disagreeing with. Low carbing suits me. Low calorie and low fat doesn't. Low carbing doesn't suit my mum (though she does it anyway even though it makes her ill) But it's not a fad and it's not dangerous (when done properly, the same as anything). I didn't say it was dangerous but you made a blanket statement that low calorie diets are miserable, for some maybe but not all. I wasn't just asking you how much weight you had lost but all who have posted their advice on this thread. I know topsy has lost lots on her chosen plan but she hasn't posted on this thread. " I don't think she's around at the moment. I didn't make a blanket statement low calorie diets are miserable. What I said was that for some to lose weight purely on eat less, move more or low calorie diets they have to cut their calories to an extreme that is miserable. Cutting back to 1000 or 1200 calories isn't that hard. However, I know one woman who has to cut her calories to 500 per day to lose any weight. That isn't good for her body and it's no fun. If she cuts carbs right back she can lose and have a more manageable (and I think healthier) calorie intake. No blanket statements other than low carb diets aren't necessarily a bad thing or dangerous, as some (not you) have stated. As I said earlier, and others have said, including you, different things suit different people and it's about finding the right solution for you. | |||
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"What I am surprised at is that the people who have been diagnosed with insulin resistance are not under a medical diatician being adviced what to eat to stop them getting full blown diabitis" Me too to be honest. A lot of doctors don't even take it seriously when people say they are struggling to lose weight. They rarely send anyone for tests or further investigation. They seem to assume people are cheating or something, or just not trying hard enough. They're happy to prescribe exercise and slimming world but not to look for underlying causes of difficulties or deal with any emotional issues or psychological problems. Should Topsy show up I'm sure she'll tell you the hassles she's had with doctors and medical advice. | |||
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"I wouldn't go totally ZERO carb..the possibility of going batshit is highly likely. " I'm already mostly batshit so it's gotta be worth a punt  | |||
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"I wouldn't go totally ZERO carb..the possibility of going batshit is highly likely. I'm already mostly batshit so it's gotta be worth a punt " ..tut tut! | |||
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"lol does no one think just eating less might work" Interesting you say this; I work 12 hour shifts, on my feet all day and walking constantly often without taking a break, or maybe just 10-15 minutes to grab a drink and check my facebook. I probably only consume about 1200 calories a day because I just don't have time to eat... I'm still 17 stone. Sometimes the amount you eat isn't enough... your choice of diet has to reflect and consider your lifestyle and body type. You need to eat the right foods to keep your metabolism spinning and at the right times of the day, for most people it's not as simple as just consuming less food in general | |||
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"What I am surprised at is that the people who have been diagnosed with insulin resistance are not under a medical diatician being adviced what to eat to stop them getting full blown diabitis" When I got told I was pretty diabetic I was sent away with pamphlets and booklets etc advocating the NHS standard diet of low calorie and carb heavy to bulk it out. When I decided to try low carving last year my diabetic nurse was very anti it despite the results it was having. More recently the have changed it to just a fist sized serving of carbs but carbs are still on the agenda. | |||
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"I'd be interested to know how much weight each individual who has posted advice on this thread has lost using their chosen diet plan. I don't advice any diet but I can certainly tell you that a low calorie diet is not a miserable diet at all, I've lost just over 8 stone on low calories and this is someone who has PSOE which makes it harder to lose weight and some of my medication are well known weight gainers. For me the simple answer is find a diet plan that suits you " Well I'm bulking and I used to have an eating disorder so I went from 7.4stone to 11stone in a year. On around 3500-4000 calories a day. I'm not ashamed of where I have come from to achieve what I have | |||
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"I'd be interested to know how much weight each individual who has posted advice on this thread has lost using their chosen diet plan. I don't advice any diet but I can certainly tell you that a low calorie diet is not a miserable diet at all, I've lost just over 8 stone on low calories and this is someone who has PSOE which makes it harder to lose weight and some of my medication are well known weight gainers. For me the simple answer is find a diet plan that suits you Well I'm bulking and I used to have an eating disorder so I went from 7.4stone to 11stone in a year. On around 3500-4000 calories a day. I'm not ashamed of where I have come from to achieve what I have " Nor should you be. That's a great achievement. It's as good to see a result that way as it is to see weight loss. | |||
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"What I am surprised at is that the people who have been diagnosed with insulin resistance are not under a medical diatician being adviced what to eat to stop them getting full blown diabitis When I got told I was pretty diabetic I was sent away with pamphlets and booklets etc advocating the NHS standard diet of low calorie and carb heavy to bulk it out. When I decided to try low carving last year my diabetic nurse was very anti it despite the results it was having. More recently the have changed it to just a fist sized serving of carbs but carbs are still on the agenda. " The NHS food pyramid just seems so bizarre doesn't it? My health visitor actually moaned at me for preparing my little boy fresh eggs and broccoli for breakfast - instead of giving him a bowl of cereal. No mention of the cholesterol in eggs or lack of carbohydrate or anything... just pure displeasure that he didn't have any "wheat" in his meal that day... | |||
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"I'd be interested to know how much weight each individual who has posted advice on this thread has lost using their chosen diet plan. I don't advice any diet but I can certainly tell you that a low calorie diet is not a miserable diet at all, I've lost just over 8 stone on low calories and this is someone who has PSOE which makes it harder to lose weight and some of my medication are well known weight gainers. For me the simple answer is find a diet plan that suits you Well I'm bulking and I used to have an eating disorder so I went from 7.4stone to 11stone in a year. On around 3500-4000 calories a day. I'm not ashamed of where I have come from to achieve what I have " well done you. I here a lot about bulking on the forums but haven't a clue about it. What you have in a day is more than I have in a week  | |||
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"Carbs are not evil it's all about choices good food and crap food, weight gain is as simple as calories in versus calories out , apply that with only spiking insulin levels at the right time ........" If someone is insulin resistant, ANY carb content will spike insulin, that's the point. You cannot control your metabolism without controlling insulin, and for many the only way to control insulin i by controlling carbs. The medical research is out there, just look on PubMed. | |||
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"I cut out the classic white carbs (bread, potatoes, pasta, wheat and rice) sugar and most dairy but carried on eating loads of all the other veg, lots of beans and pulses and both meat and quorn and in six weeks I lost over a stone. And I didn't up my exercise at all! After the first week or so the cravings die down and it's perfectly possible to not only manage on that diet but also to feel full after every meal and lose weight." Thats great! I have been doing it for 3 weeks but no weight loss if I saw it making a difference it wouldn't make me so fed up with it! I have increased exercise too | |||
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"Well I'm person with no underlying medical conditions to blame my obesity on and just eating sensibly and a little exercise works for me. I can't be in a minority having no medical issues, surely? ?" You would not necessarily know - the nhs cannot check for insulin resistance, doctors are obliged to wait for signs of metabolic syndrome or frank diabetes usually! | |||
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"I cut out the classic white carbs (bread, potatoes, pasta, wheat and rice) sugar and most dairy but carried on eating loads of all the other veg, lots of beans and pulses and both meat and quorn and in six weeks I lost over a stone. And I didn't up my exercise at all! After the first week or so the cravings die down and it's perfectly possible to not only manage on that diet but also to feel full after every meal and lose weight. Thats great! I have been doing it for 3 weeks but no weight loss if I saw it making a difference it wouldn't make me so fed up with it! I have increased exercise too "Don't be disheartened, chances are if you upped exercise you've probably increased your muscle mass. A lot of people who go to the gym to "lose weight and tone up" end up putting weight on initially. Body weight isn't everything, the best measure for me is to get your bloodwork done and keep an eye on body fat percentage and it's always good to keep an eye on cholesterol. | |||
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"CHANGE your diet. Don't go on a diet. Don't cut out carbs or listen to anybody that tells you its a good idea. Maybe go to a personal trainer and pay for a diet plan. Weight will fall off you and discuss What foods you like and don't like and let them build a plan around that. " I changed my diet and I haven't eaten carbs for eight years. The 'official' healthy eating advice is bollocks, a supported by research paid for by... Go on, have a guess. | |||
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"I'm kind off on it lost stone and half in a month nearly.finding it hard as working away and meal restrictions are killing me...don't limit you carbs to nil as previous post state your body needs carbs to run. Low carbs say 21 g a day is ideal your body will go into leptospirosis and the rest will come naturally. Advise going to the gym as well or if you do it for a long period you will notice muscle loss..good sausages don't contain rusk look at the packaging. Black farmer are 95% meat and no rusk.. "I'm mostly 10g a day and eight stones lighter after not one jot of extra exercise and my muscles are fine thanks. Still strong after eight years and an old lady of 54. | |||
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"You need carbs for energy. Everything has carbs in it. You just need to work out the good from the bad. Calculate your TDEE and use My Fitness Pal to track your intake. " No you don't. Look up gluconeogenesis. | |||
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"Roast owl with carrot gravy Or just eat whatever the hell you fancy whenever you fancy but just less of it." Yep that works well and it's so bloody easy to do! Why didn't I think of that when I was 21 stones. Oh wait, what are those increasing stats on obesity again? | |||
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"Any on Paleo way of eating.... It's working for me. Understanding the science is half the battle" It's all the battle but some just want to spout the party line, I did for years until I actually read the science behind it, now I feel like I've been set free. | |||
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"It's sugar you want to cut out, that's what makes you fat. If you prepare and cook whatever you're eating from fresh, nothing processed, you'll lose weight. " Sugar is just one type of carb. | |||
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"I've been doing this for two weeks, only meat, fish, eggs, green veg and good fats, nuts, avocados etc, fill up on as much green veg as you can and good cuts of meat or fish " Any veg that grows above the ground is good. Slow down on the potatoes Low G.I.is a good start. | |||
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"I'd be interested to know how much weight each individual who has posted advice on this thread has lost using their chosen diet plan. I don't advice any diet but I can certainly tell you that a low calorie diet is not a miserable diet at all, I've lost just over 8 stone on low calories and this is someone who has PSOE which makes it harder to lose weight and some of my medication are well known weight gainers. For me the simple answer is find a diet plan that suits you Well I'm bulking and I used to have an eating disorder so I went from 7.4stone to 11stone in a year. On around 3500-4000 calories a day. I'm not ashamed of where I have come from to achieve what I have " That's great and absolutely you shouldn't be ashamed. I dream of conquering my food demons on day so hearing of those who have is inspiring. | |||
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"Well I'm person with no underlying medical conditions to blame my obesity on and just eating sensibly and a little exercise works for me. I can't be in a minority having no medical issues, surely? ? You would not necessarily know - the nhs cannot check for insulin resistance, doctors are obliged to wait for signs of metabolic syndrome or frank diabetes usually!if the doctors can't test you then how do all these people know they are insulin resistant" That's the tragedy of it, millions will never know. NHS docs are not allowed to test insulin for IR because there is controversy over which method is best for interpreting results, so they are not allowed to test at all (last time I checked anyway). Im sure they have screening tests for metabolic syndrome now, probably based on blood fats, which may allow a GP to recommend further testing at a hospital clinic. IR will cause obesity. But obesity in turn can cause further IR, and so these people are stuck - particularly if they follow the run of the mill dietary advice of reducing fats (which often simply raises the carb percentage of the diet and makes it even harder to control insulin). Sure, if someone 'healthy' gets obese by sitting on their arse and pigging out on the junk food, then when they stop abusing themselves they are likely to lose significant weight. That's a no brainer. But some people can even be 'struck' with insulin resistance when they lead an active, even sporting life, especially if their diet is high in carbs to support it. They would begin to gain weight regardless, and may suffer all kinds of secondary symptoms which send them to their GP. Knowledge from unconventional sources is how most people find out they are IR - once someone gives you access to the information you can deduce it very easily. Of course if you were a horse, I could simply order a a couple of insulin assays and manage you accordingly! | |||
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"I've been doing this for two weeks, only meat, fish, eggs, green veg and good fats, nuts, avocados etc, fill up on as much green veg as you can and good cuts of meat or fish Any veg that grows above the ground is good. Slow down on the potatoes Low G.I.is a good start. Low GI is quite complicated though. For example, a jacket potato is high GI but add butter cheese and beans and it becomes low GI." It depends how hyperinsulinemic you are too. For some people it would always cause a big insulin spike no matter what you put on it, and for some a rebound hypoglycaemia. | |||
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"I've been doing this for two weeks, only meat, fish, eggs, green veg and good fats, nuts, avocados etc, fill up on as much green veg as you can and good cuts of meat or fish Any veg that grows above the ground is good. Slow down on the potatoes Low G.I.is a good start. Low GI is quite complicated though. For example, a jacket potato is high GI but add butter cheese and beans and it becomes low GI. It depends how hyperinsulinemic you are too. For some people it would always cause a big insulin spike no matter what you put on it, and for some a rebound hypoglycaemia." Which is why Low GI is so complicated. Take away that potato and I could eat the rest without much of a spike, add the potato and I spike and then crave carbs for days. | |||
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"Well I'm person with no underlying medical conditions to blame my obesity on and just eating sensibly and a little exercise works for me. I can't be in a minority having no medical issues, surely? ? You would not necessarily know - the nhs cannot check for insulin resistance, doctors are obliged to wait for signs of metabolic syndrome or frank diabetes usually!if the doctors can't test you then how do all these people know they are insulin resistant That's the tragedy of it, millions will never know. NHS docs are not allowed to test insulin for IR because there is controversy over which method is best for interpreting results, so they are not allowed to test at all (last time I checked anyway). Im sure they have screening tests for metabolic syndrome now, probably based on blood fats, which may allow a GP to recommend further testing at a hospital clinic. IR will cause obesity. But obesity in turn can cause further IR, and so these people are stuck - particularly if they follow the run of the mill dietary advice of reducing fats (which often simply raises the carb percentage of the diet and makes it even harder to control insulin). Sure, if someone 'healthy' gets obese by sitting on their arse and pigging out on the junk food, then when they stop abusing themselves they are likely to lose significant weight. That's a no brainer. But some people can even be 'struck' with insulin resistance when they lead an active, even sporting life, especially if their diet is high in carbs to support it. They would begin to gain weight regardless, and may suffer all kinds of secondary symptoms which send them to their GP. Knowledge from unconventional sources is how most people find out they are IR - once someone gives you access to the information you can deduce it very easily. Of course if you were a horse, I could simply order a a couple of insulin assays and manage you accordingly!" oh right so they can find out just not through the doctor, a couple of years back I lost 8 stone then for some reason I was carrying on doing the same but started to gain weight so quickly I gained 9 stone in just over a year, they did all sorts of tests and eventually found out I had prolactinoma, since I've been on the right medication I've lost 8 of the 9 stone I gained I just wondered how people knew they where insulin dependant and not something else | |||
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" Of course if you were a horse, I could simply order a a couple of insulin assays and manage you accordingly!oh right so they can find out just not through the doctor, a couple of years back I lost 8 stone then for some reason I was carrying on doing the same but started to gain weight so quickly I gained 9 stone in just over a year, they did all sorts of tests and eventually found out I had prolactinoma, since I've been on the right medication I've lost 8 of the 9 stone I gained I just wondered how people knew they where insulin dependant and not something else" Ah no, insulin dependance is frank diabetes, and that would require medical diagnosis. Insulin resistance is part of many disease states, metabolic syndrome, PCOS etc, and usually exists as a precursor to diabetes for many years. You can deduce it from various clincial signs, your response to various foods etc. | |||
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"Well I'm person with no underlying medical conditions to blame my obesity on and just eating sensibly and a little exercise works for me. I can't be in a minority having no medical issues, surely? ? You would not necessarily know - the nhs cannot check for insulin resistance, doctors are obliged to wait for signs of metabolic syndrome or frank diabetes usually!if the doctors can't test you then how do all these people know they are insulin resistant That's the tragedy of it, millions will never know. NHS docs are not allowed to test insulin for IR because there is controversy over which method is best for interpreting results, so they are not allowed to test at all (last time I checked anyway). Im sure they have screening tests for metabolic syndrome now, probably based on blood fats, which may allow a GP to recommend further testing at a hospital clinic. IR will cause obesity. But obesity in turn can cause further IR, and so these people are stuck - particularly if they follow the run of the mill dietary advice of reducing fats (which often simply raises the carb percentage of the diet and makes it even harder to control insulin). Sure, if someone 'healthy' gets obese by sitting on their arse and pigging out on the junk food, then when they stop abusing themselves they are likely to lose significant weight. That's a no brainer. But some people can even be 'struck' with insulin resistance when they lead an active, even sporting life, especially if their diet is high in carbs to support it. They would begin to gain weight regardless, and may suffer all kinds of secondary symptoms which send them to their GP. Knowledge from unconventional sources is how most people find out they are IR - once someone gives you access to the information you can deduce it very easily. Of course if you were a horse, I could simply order a a couple of insulin assays and manage you accordingly!oh right so they can find out just not through the doctor, a couple of years back I lost 8 stone then for some reason I was carrying on doing the same but started to gain weight so quickly I gained 9 stone in just over a year, they did all sorts of tests and eventually found out I had prolactinoma, since I've been on the right medication I've lost 8 of the 9 stone I gained I just wondered how people knew they where insulin dependant and not something else" You answered yourself there DS. You stuck to the same diet but gained more than you originally lost which would be a huge red flag for an underlying condition. We are all focussing too much on weight loss here when that is just the side effect. What's more important are blood lipid profiles, visceral fat and blood sugar levels. You can be as skinny as you like but if any of those are out of whack, you won't be any better off. | |||
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" Of course if you were a horse, I could simply order a a couple of insulin assays and manage you accordingly!oh right so they can find out just not through the doctor, a couple of years back I lost 8 stone then for some reason I was carrying on doing the same but started to gain weight so quickly I gained 9 stone in just over a year, they did all sorts of tests and eventually found out I had prolactinoma, since I've been on the right medication I've lost 8 of the 9 stone I gained I just wondered how people knew they where insulin dependant and not something else Ah no, insulin dependance is frank diabetes, and that would require medical diagnosis. Insulin resistance is part of many disease states, metabolic syndrome, PCOS etc, and usually exists as a precursor to diabetes for many years. You can deduce it from various clincial signs, your response to various foods etc." look up, I typed dependant instead of resistant I corrected myself | |||
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"I've been doing this for two weeks, only meat, fish, eggs, green veg and good fats, nuts, avocados etc, fill up on as much green veg as you can and good cuts of meat or fish Any veg that grows above the ground is good. Slow down on the potatoes Low G.I.is a good start. Low GI is quite complicated though. For example, a jacket potato is high GI but add butter cheese and beans and it becomes low GI. It depends how hyperinsulinemic you are too. For some people it would always cause a big insulin spike no matter what you put on it, and for some a rebound hypoglycaemia. Which is why Low GI is so complicated. Take away that potato and I could eat the rest without much of a spike, add the potato and I spike and then crave carbs for days. " Yup, baked spuds are eeevil, lol, the carb chains are so well broken down by the long cooking you might as well eat a potato skin full of sugar! | |||
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" Of course if you were a horse, I could simply order a a couple of insulin assays and manage you accordingly!oh right so they can find out just not through the doctor, a couple of years back I lost 8 stone then for some reason I was carrying on doing the same but started to gain weight so quickly I gained 9 stone in just over a year, they did all sorts of tests and eventually found out I had prolactinoma, since I've been on the right medication I've lost 8 of the 9 stone I gained I just wondered how people knew they where insulin dependant and not something else Ah no, insulin dependance is frank diabetes, and that would require medical diagnosis. Insulin resistance is part of many disease states, metabolic syndrome, PCOS etc, and usually exists as a precursor to diabetes for many years. You can deduce it from various clincial signs, your response to various foods etc.look up, I typed dependant instead of resistant I corrected myself" I saw after I posted! I only have to look at the fat distribution on a horse to know it is IR lol! | |||
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"I've been doing this for two weeks, only meat, fish, eggs, green veg and good fats, nuts, avocados etc, fill up on as much green veg as you can and good cuts of meat or fish Any veg that grows above the ground is good. Slow down on the potatoes Low G.I.is a good start. Low GI is quite complicated though. For example, a jacket potato is high GI but add butter cheese and beans and it becomes low GI. It depends how hyperinsulinemic you are too. For some people it would always cause a big insulin spike no matter what you put on it, and for some a rebound hypoglycaemia. Which is why Low GI is so complicated. Take away that potato and I could eat the rest without much of a spike, add the potato and I spike and then crave carbs for days. Yup, baked spuds are eeevil, lol, the carb chains are so well broken down by the long cooking you might as well eat a potato skin full of sugar! "It's a shame I looove them so much... I find it so hard to resist sugar, potatoes, and stodgy carbs when I get stressed but there's no doubt they make me bloated, upset my stomach, make it difficult to sleep, give me sensitive skin, make it more difficult for my body to control its temperature effectively, crash my energy levels, and much more. A few weeks of low carbing and I'm energetic, sleeping better, my skin is better, I'm not bloated and my stomach isn't playing up... I feel great. But as soon as I get stressed, tired or unhappy, I run straight back to the sugar and stodgy carbs. I'm my own worst enemy and I know it. I have only two negative side effects from low carbing and the benefits outweigh them by a huge margin. | |||
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"Instead of cutting carbs completely try car cycling, there is plenty of ideas to pick through, a popular one is no carbs Mon Tues and weds then double carbs Thurs normal carbs Fri half carbs on sat, which leave Sunday as your cheat day where you can eat what you like. Good luck with it all." how much carbs as in weight or items on all these day?? | |||
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"I've been doing this for two weeks, only meat, fish, eggs, green veg and good fats, nuts, avocados etc, fill up on as much green veg as you can and good cuts of meat or fish Any veg that grows above the ground is good. Slow down on the potatoes Low G.I.is a good start. Low GI is quite complicated though. For example, a jacket potato is high GI but add butter cheese and beans and it becomes low GI. It depends how hyperinsulinemic you are too. For some people it would always cause a big insulin spike no matter what you put on it, and for some a rebound hypoglycaemia. Which is why Low GI is so complicated. Take away that potato and I could eat the rest without much of a spike, add the potato and I spike and then crave carbs for days. Yup, baked spuds are eeevil, lol, the carb chains are so well broken down by the long cooking you might as well eat a potato skin full of sugar! "I've yet to try the resistant starch theory because as far as I'm concerned, potatoes are wonderful things and I simply couldn't stop at a small portion. Without carbs I eat once a day and very little, with them, I could eat enough food to fuel a small family. | |||
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"CHANGE your diet. Don't go on a diet. Don't cut out carbs or listen to anybody that tells you its a good idea. Maybe go to a personal trainer and pay for a diet plan. Weight will fall off you and discuss What foods you like and don't like and let them build a plan around that. " This.. Carbs and Fats are essential for your body and for obese fat loss. Get good/professional nutrition advise. Learn what good carbs/fats you can eat and what bad carbs/fats you should avoid. Fresh fibre should be plenty in your diet also. | |||
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"I've been doing this for two weeks, only meat, fish, eggs, green veg and good fats, nuts, avocados etc, fill up on as much green veg as you can and good cuts of meat or fish Any veg that grows above the ground is good. Slow down on the potatoes Low G.I.is a good start. Low GI is quite complicated though. For example, a jacket potato is high GI but add butter cheese and beans and it becomes low GI. It depends how hyperinsulinemic you are too. For some people it would always cause a big insulin spike no matter what you put on it, and for some a rebound hypoglycaemia. Which is why Low GI is so complicated. Take away that potato and I could eat the rest without much of a spike, add the potato and I spike and then crave carbs for days. Yup, baked spuds are eeevil, lol, the carb chains are so well broken down by the long cooking you might as well eat a potato skin full of sugar!
I've yet to try the resistant starch theory because as far as I'm concerned, potatoes are wonderful things and I simply couldn't stop at a small portion. Without carbs I eat once a day and very little, with them, I could eat enough food to fuel a small family."Same here. Just a small amount knocks me right off course. A small portion of potatoes or a chocolate biscuit would have me at the supermarket within half an hour, emptying the cake and chocolate sections. I'm an addict. It's all or nothing. An alcoholic can't have just one drink and I can't have just one biscuit or small portion of potatoes. | |||
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"I've been doing this for two weeks, only meat, fish, eggs, green veg and good fats, nuts, avocados etc, fill up on as much green veg as you can and good cuts of meat or fish Any veg that grows above the ground is good. Slow down on the potatoes Low G.I.is a good start. Low GI is quite complicated though. For example, a jacket potato is high GI but add butter cheese and beans and it becomes low GI. It depends how hyperinsulinemic you are too. For some people it would always cause a big insulin spike no matter what you put on it, and for some a rebound hypoglycaemia. Which is why Low GI is so complicated. Take away that potato and I could eat the rest without much of a spike, add the potato and I spike and then crave carbs for days. Yup, baked spuds are eeevil, lol, the carb chains are so well broken down by the long cooking you might as well eat a potato skin full of sugar!
I've yet to try the resistant starch theory because as far as I'm concerned, potatoes are wonderful things and I simply couldn't stop at a small portion. Without carbs I eat once a day and very little, with them, I could eat enough food to fuel a small family.
Same here. Just a small amount knocks me right off course. A small portion of potatoes or a chocolate biscuit would have me at the supermarket within half an hour, emptying the cake and chocolate sections.
I'm an addict. It's all or nothing. An alcoholic can't have just one drink and I can't have just one biscuit or small portion of potatoes."Absolutely spot on. That anyone's thinks we choose to be fat is beyond me. | |||
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"CHANGE your diet. Don't go on a diet. Don't cut out carbs or listen to anybody that tells you its a good idea. Maybe go to a personal trainer and pay for a diet plan. Weight will fall off you and discuss What foods you like and don't like and let them build a plan around that. This.. Carbs and Fats are essential for your body and for obese fat loss. Get good/professional nutrition advise. Learn what good carbs/fats you can eat and what bad carbs/fats you should avoid. Fresh fibre should be plenty in your diet also. " Fats are essential. Carbs are necessary in only very small quantities. It's perfectly possible to live healthily, long-term on 10 or 20g of carbs per day. | |||
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"I've been doing this for two weeks, only meat, fish, eggs, green veg and good fats, nuts, avocados etc, fill up on as much green veg as you can and good cuts of meat or fish Any veg that grows above the ground is good. Slow down on the potatoes Low G.I.is a good start. Low GI is quite complicated though. For example, a jacket potato is high GI but add butter cheese and beans and it becomes low GI. It depends how hyperinsulinemic you are too. For some people it would always cause a big insulin spike no matter what you put on it, and for some a rebound hypoglycaemia. Which is why Low GI is so complicated. Take away that potato and I could eat the rest without much of a spike, add the potato and I spike and then crave carbs for days. Yup, baked spuds are eeevil, lol, the carb chains are so well broken down by the long cooking you might as well eat a potato skin full of sugar!
I've yet to try the resistant starch theory because as far as I'm concerned, potatoes are wonderful things and I simply couldn't stop at a small portion. Without carbs I eat once a day and very little, with them, I could eat enough food to fuel a small family."Eat sweet pots instead, far better for you and fibrous too.. the best bit of a plain pot is the skin, the rest is pointless filler, that doesn't do much for you.. | |||
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"I've been doing this for two weeks, only meat, fish, eggs, green veg and good fats, nuts, avocados etc, fill up on as much green veg as you can and good cuts of meat or fish Any veg that grows above the ground is good. Slow down on the potatoes Low G.I.is a good start. Low GI is quite complicated though. For example, a jacket potato is high GI but add butter cheese and beans and it becomes low GI. It depends how hyperinsulinemic you are too. For some people it would always cause a big insulin spike no matter what you put on it, and for some a rebound hypoglycaemia. Which is why Low GI is so complicated. Take away that potato and I could eat the rest without much of a spike, add the potato and I spike and then crave carbs for days. Yup, baked spuds are eeevil, lol, the carb chains are so well broken down by the long cooking you might as well eat a potato skin full of sugar!
I've yet to try the resistant starch theory because as far as I'm concerned, potatoes are wonderful things and I simply couldn't stop at a small portion. Without carbs I eat once a day and very little, with them, I could eat enough food to fuel a small family.
Eat sweet pots instead, far better for you and fibrous too.. the best bit of a plain pot is the skin, the rest is pointless filler, that doesn't do much for you.."A common misconception. They are still high in carbs and addictive. As for fibre, still not necessary. That came form cereal manufacturers and quack science. | |||
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"I've been doing this for two weeks, only meat, fish, eggs, green veg and good fats, nuts, avocados etc, fill up on as much green veg as you can and good cuts of meat or fish Any veg that grows above the ground is good. Slow down on the potatoes Low G.I.is a good start. Low GI is quite complicated though. For example, a jacket potato is high GI but add butter cheese and beans and it becomes low GI. It depends how hyperinsulinemic you are too. For some people it would always cause a big insulin spike no matter what you put on it, and for some a rebound hypoglycaemia. Which is why Low GI is so complicated. Take away that potato and I could eat the rest without much of a spike, add the potato and I spike and then crave carbs for days. Yup, baked spuds are eeevil, lol, the carb chains are so well broken down by the long cooking you might as well eat a potato skin full of sugar!
I've yet to try the resistant starch theory because as far as I'm concerned, potatoes are wonderful things and I simply couldn't stop at a small portion. Without carbs I eat once a day and very little, with them, I could eat enough food to fuel a small family.
Eat sweet pots instead, far better for you and fibrous too.. the best bit of a plain pot is the skin, the rest is pointless filler, that doesn't do much for you..
A common misconception. They are still high in carbs and addictive. As for fibre, still not necessary. That came form cereal manufacturers and quack science."Yup, plenty enough fibre in green veg. Lean meat, fish, eggs and green veg, limited dairy with a dash of good fats is the healthiest diet for me, and I'll warrant many other people. | |||
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"I cut out the classic white carbs (bread, potatoes, pasta, wheat and rice) sugar and most dairy but carried on eating loads of all the other veg, lots of beans and pulses and both meat and quorn and in six weeks I lost over a stone. And I didn't up my exercise at all! After the first week or so the cravings die down and it's perfectly possible to not only manage on that diet but also to feel full after every meal and lose weight. Thats great! I have been doing it for 3 weeks but no weight loss if I saw it making a difference it wouldn't make me so fed up with it! I have increased exercise too
Don't be disheartened, chances are if you upped exercise you've probably increased your muscle mass. A lot of people who go to the gym to "lose weight and tone up" end up putting weight on initially. Body weight isn't everything, the best measure for me is to get your bloodwork done and keep an eye on body fat percentage and it's always good to keep an eye on cholesterol."Thank you xx | |||
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"I'd be interested to know how much weight each individual who has posted advice on this thread has lost using their chosen diet plan. I don't advice any diet but I can certainly tell you that a low calorie diet is not a miserable diet at all, I've lost just over 8 stone on low calories and this is someone who has PSOE which makes it harder to lose weight and some of my medication are well known weight gainers. For me the simple answer is find a diet plan that suits you Well I'm bulking and I used to have an eating disorder so I went from 7.4stone to 11stone in a year. On around 3500-4000 calories a day. I'm not ashamed of where I have come from to achieve what I have " well done bro | |||
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"I'd be interested to know how much weight each individual who has posted advice on this thread has lost using their chosen diet plan. I don't advice any diet but I can certainly tell you that a low calorie diet is not a miserable diet at all, I've lost just over 8 stone on low calories and this is someone who has PSOE which makes it harder to lose weight and some of my medication are well known weight gainers. For me the simple answer is find a diet plan that suits you Well I'm bulking and I used to have an eating disorder so I went from 7.4stone to 11stone in a year. On around 3500-4000 calories a day. I'm not ashamed of where I have come from to achieve what I have well done bro "Thanks man | |||
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"If you are to cut anything cut sugar. Every time you eat sugar your body reacts by producing an enzyme to break it down. Once down that enzyme becomes a fat and sticks to you. " Please post the scientific reference behind that theory, I'd love to read it. | |||
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"Unless its for health reasons there's no reason whatsoever to cut anything out of your diet. As long as you eat less calories than you burn you'll lose weight (example: me) You need to calculate your Basic Metabolic Rate, then your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (there are loads of websites that can help you there), then work out how many calories you need to drop to lose weight. If you exercise that gets added on to the TDEE, so if your food intake stays the same you should (theoretically) lose weight. As long as you stay within the calorie limit you've chosen you'll lose weight. Say you work out that your TDEE is 2000 cals a day. If you drop 500 cals a dal you should lose a pound a week (although weight-loss is not linear so one week will be naff all, and a week later you'll lose 2lbs). You can eat those 1500 cals anyway you like - doughnuts, chocolate, potatoes, whatever. Just bear in mind that higher calorie foods may not fill you up as much as other foods so you might want to go for food that is more nutrient dense. Low Carb High Protein High Fat diets are only really useful for serious weight trainers. The rest of us mere mortals can stand the odd p[late of pasta without turning into Michelin Man. In fact its better you do, as otherwise you'll crave what you can't have and just binge one day, undoing all your good work. I use My Fitness Pal for monitoring my current plan. Its free, and its easy to use. Good luck! "Interesting rehash of the now defunct CICO theory. So my 2000-3000 calorie a day intake should make me fat then? A plate of pasta will though, and it will cause inflammation, massive swing in blood sugars hunger and craving. That's no good for anyone. | |||
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"Unless its for health reasons there's no reason whatsoever to cut anything out of your diet. As long as you eat less calories than you burn you'll lose weight (example: me) You need to calculate your Basic Metabolic Rate, then your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (there are loads of websites that can help you there), then work out how many calories you need to drop to lose weight. If you exercise that gets added on to the TDEE, so if your food intake stays the same you should (theoretically) lose weight. As long as you stay within the calorie limit you've chosen you'll lose weight. Say you work out that your TDEE is 2000 cals a day. If you drop 500 cals a dal you should lose a pound a week (although weight-loss is not linear so one week will be naff all, and a week later you'll lose 2lbs). You can eat those 1500 cals anyway you like - doughnuts, chocolate, potatoes, whatever. Just bear in mind that higher calorie foods may not fill you up as much as other foods so you might want to go for food that is more nutrient dense. Low Carb High Protein High Fat diets are only really useful for serious weight trainers. The rest of us mere mortals can stand the odd p[late of pasta without turning into Michelin Man. In fact its better you do, as otherwise you'll crave what you can't have and just binge one day, undoing all your good work. I use My Fitness Pal for monitoring my current plan. Its free, and its easy to use. Good luck!
Interesting rehash of the now defunct CICO theory.
So my 2000-3000 calorie a day intake should make me fat then?
A plate of pasta will though, and it will cause inflammation, massive swing in blood sugars hunger and craving. That's no good for anyone."Basically it should be common sense. As I said in my first sentence, unless its for medical reasons, there is no need to remove food groups from the diet. And if I worked out every day I could eat 3000 cals no problem. Fad diets are not sustainable - as soon as people start eating what they were cutting out then the weight just comes back. However monitoring calories eaten against calories burnt is the simplest way, with some common sense thrown in as to choosing how the calories eaten are made up. If pasta causes problems remove it, but if it doesn't, don't. | |||
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"Unless its for health reasons there's no reason whatsoever to cut anything out of your diet. " That's the point though - a vast number of people do need to reduce carbs for health reasons, they just don't know it! The epidemic of 'diabesity' is in large part due to insulin resistance IMO, ans it is happening to animals as well as humans, so it's not just a question of lifestyle. | |||
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"Unless its for health reasons there's no reason whatsoever to cut anything out of your diet. As long as you eat less calories than you burn you'll lose weight (example: me) You need to calculate your Basic Metabolic Rate, then your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (there are loads of websites that can help you there), then work out how many calories you need to drop to lose weight. If you exercise that gets added on to the TDEE, so if your food intake stays the same you should (theoretically) lose weight. As long as you stay within the calorie limit you've chosen you'll lose weight. Say you work out that your TDEE is 2000 cals a day. If you drop 500 cals a dal you should lose a pound a week (although weight-loss is not linear so one week will be naff all, and a week later you'll lose 2lbs). You can eat those 1500 cals anyway you like - doughnuts, chocolate, potatoes, whatever. Just bear in mind that higher calorie foods may not fill you up as much as other foods so you might want to go for food that is more nutrient dense. Low Carb High Protein High Fat diets are only really useful for serious weight trainers. The rest of us mere mortals can stand the odd p[late of pasta without turning into Michelin Man. In fact its better you do, as otherwise you'll crave what you can't have and just binge one day, undoing all your good work. I use My Fitness Pal for monitoring my current plan. Its free, and its easy to use. Good luck!
Interesting rehash of the now defunct CICO theory.
So my 2000-3000 calorie a day intake should make me fat then?
A plate of pasta will though, and it will cause inflammation, massive swing in blood sugars hunger and craving. That's no good for anyone.
Basically it should be common sense. As I said in my first sentence, unless its for medical reasons, there is no need to remove food groups from the diet. And if I worked out every day I could eat 3000 cals no problem.
Fad diets are not sustainable - as soon as people start eating what they were cutting out then the weight just comes back. However monitoring calories eaten against calories burnt is the simplest way, with some common sense thrown in as to choosing how the calories eaten are made up. If pasta causes problems remove it, but if it doesn't, don't."Calorie counting IS a fad diet! I don't work out, I just live my life and spend lots of times slobbing on the couch. Not eating carbs is not faddy, it's a WOE for life and very easily sustainable. Ever wondered why the repeating failures of WW happen? | |||
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"Fry everything in coconut oil (super healthy) and use peanut butter for healthy fats and to make sure your calories don't go too low. After 6/7 days of low calories your body produced less leptin and therfore your metabolism virtually stops. I read a lot
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Hence why slimfast and other such diets dont work... you lose weight when you do them, but as soon as you eat normally again your metabolism can't keep up and you gain more weight..."I shall tell my boss that but I think I knew that really without needing to be told | |||
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"I've been doing this for two weeks, only meat, fish, eggs, green veg and good fats, nuts, avocados etc, fill up on as much green veg as you can and good cuts of meat or fish Any veg that grows above the ground is good. Slow down on the potatoes Low G.I.is a good start. Low GI is quite complicated though. For example, a jacket potato is high GI but add butter cheese and beans and it becomes low GI. It depends how hyperinsulinemic you are too. For some people it would always cause a big insulin spike no matter what you put on it, and for some a rebound hypoglycaemia. Which is why Low GI is so complicated. Take away that potato and I could eat the rest without much of a spike, add the potato and I spike and then crave carbs for days. Yup, baked spuds are eeevil, lol, the carb chains are so well broken down by the long cooking you might as well eat a potato skin full of sugar!
It's a shame I looove them so much...
I find it so hard to resist sugar, potatoes, and stodgy carbs when I get stressed but there's no doubt they make me bloated, upset my stomach, make it difficult to sleep, give me sensitive skin, make it more difficult for my body to control its temperature effectively, crash my energy levels, and much more.
A few weeks of low carbing and I'm energetic, sleeping better, my skin is better, I'm not bloated and my stomach isn't playing up... I feel great.
But as soon as I get stressed, tired or unhappy, I run straight back to the sugar and stodgy carbs.
I'm my own worst enemy and I know it.
I have only two negative side effects from low carbing and the benefits outweigh them by a huge margin."Eat sweet potatoes, much better for you than normal potatoes. Must admit been finding the change difficult as they end up too soft for my liking however mixed with mashed swede, yummy | |||
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"Any meal ideas? I'm doing it for 2 weeks as merely a kick start! How hard can it be... cheese; sausages; eggs!! Mmmmm!!!" Don't eat sausages - they are only so much meat and the rest is filler. Steak, chicken, turkey, fish. Cheese, eggs, sugar free jelly and double cream as a treat (yes really!) and use double cream in tea or coffee. I'm on Atkins diet. Good luck! | |||
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"I've been doing this for two weeks, only meat, fish, eggs, green veg and good fats, nuts, avocados etc, fill up on as much green veg as you can and good cuts of meat or fish Any veg that grows above the ground is good. Slow down on the potatoes Low G.I.is a good start. Low GI is quite complicated though. For example, a jacket potato is high GI but add butter cheese and beans and it becomes low GI. It depends how hyperinsulinemic you are too. For some people it would always cause a big insulin spike no matter what you put on it, and for some a rebound hypoglycaemia. Which is why Low GI is so complicated. Take away that potato and I could eat the rest without much of a spike, add the potato and I spike and then crave carbs for days. Yup, baked spuds are eeevil, lol, the carb chains are so well broken down by the long cooking you might as well eat a potato skin full of sugar!
It's a shame I looove them so much...
I find it so hard to resist sugar, potatoes, and stodgy carbs when I get stressed but there's no doubt they make me bloated, upset my stomach, make it difficult to sleep, give me sensitive skin, make it more difficult for my body to control its temperature effectively, crash my energy levels, and much more.
A few weeks of low carbing and I'm energetic, sleeping better, my skin is better, I'm not bloated and my stomach isn't playing up... I feel great.
But as soon as I get stressed, tired or unhappy, I run straight back to the sugar and stodgy carbs.
I'm my own worst enemy and I know it.
I have only two negative side effects from low carbing and the benefits outweigh them by a huge margin.
Eat sweet potatoes, much better for you than normal potatoes. Must admit been finding the change difficult as they end up too soft for my liking however mixed with mashed swede, yummy "They're still carbs, as is swede. | |||
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"I've been doing this for two weeks, only meat, fish, eggs, green veg and good fats, nuts, avocados etc, fill up on as much green veg as you can and good cuts of meat or fish Any veg that grows above the ground is good. Slow down on the potatoes Low G.I.is a good start. Low GI is quite complicated though. For example, a jacket potato is high GI but add butter cheese and beans and it becomes low GI. It depends how hyperinsulinemic you are too. For some people it would always cause a big insulin spike no matter what you put on it, and for some a rebound hypoglycaemia. Which is why Low GI is so complicated. Take away that potato and I could eat the rest without much of a spike, add the potato and I spike and then crave carbs for days. Yup, baked spuds are eeevil, lol, the carb chains are so well broken down by the long cooking you might as well eat a potato skin full of sugar!
It's a shame I looove them so much...
I find it so hard to resist sugar, potatoes, and stodgy carbs when I get stressed but there's no doubt they make me bloated, upset my stomach, make it difficult to sleep, give me sensitive skin, make it more difficult for my body to control its temperature effectively, crash my energy levels, and much more.
A few weeks of low carbing and I'm energetic, sleeping better, my skin is better, I'm not bloated and my stomach isn't playing up... I feel great.
But as soon as I get stressed, tired or unhappy, I run straight back to the sugar and stodgy carbs.
I'm my own worst enemy and I know it.
I have only two negative side effects from low carbing and the benefits outweigh them by a huge margin.
Eat sweet potatoes, much better for you than normal potatoes. Must admit been finding the change difficult as they end up too soft for my liking however mixed with mashed swede, yummy
They're still carbs, as is swede."So well they may be but I am more interested in eating healthier than dieting | |||
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