FabSwingers.com forum: Should lance armstrong be forgiven?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Just seen on the news lance armstrong is pleading for forgiveness for doping, so whats your thoughts on this?

Personally i think he shouldnt as he knowingly cheated and decieved people while taking money and prizes at the same time.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

has he not said he would do the same again...

so, it's a no from me

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By *histler21Man
over a year ago

Ipswich

"Just seen on the news lance armstrong is pleading for forgiveness for doping, so whats your thoughts on this?

Personally i think he shouldnt as he knowingly cheated and decieved people while taking money and prizes at the same time. "

Words are cheap. Actions speak loudly. Which will he choose?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes forgive him, why not?

We should never forget though and any ban or punishment should remain. He should not be allowed to profit from this.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"has he not said he would do the same again...

so, it's a no from me"

Yep said would do all again

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

If the people in his team who he tried to destroy can do that no problem. Heard the inter_iew and again more about Lance than any recognition the impact to the sport.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"has he not said he would do the same again...

so, it's a no from me"

Exactly what I was thinking.

A complete lack of remorse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I went and watched him in 2009 in his comeback tour and there were rumours of the allegations in the crowd then!.

It's such a shame, I think he would have won most of his races if everyone was on the level, unfortunately cycling was rife with drugs and cheating for years so he obviously felt pressure to take them to win.

I can forgive him but I don't think there should be a place in cycling for him anymore!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was a massive Lance fan, to say I felt betrayed would be an understatement. At the moment I don't think so, but maybe in the long run some good may have come out of it all helping to finally clean the sport up

Then maybe.

People have been forgiven for far worse crimes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A 'no' from me. The self-serving, semi-contrite version these days (while still refusing to admit to exactly what he did) isn't enough to forgive the way he went after those who were telling the truth about him.

A worryingly good liar...wonder if he's on here too?

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

"has he not said he would do the same again...

so, it's a no from me

Exactly what I was thinking.

A complete lack of remorse."

but in context of what he said he was honest. He did then say if starting a career today he wouldn't cheat. Sometimes no inter_iew would have better for him perhaps as he is now always going to be killed by a clever soundbite

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The whole concept of forgiveness for 'cheating' in a sport that has been based around massive and chronic PED use for 50 years is crazy.

He was better than people who all used the same drugs, and likely used more. He's still an absolute human titan imho.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

a big NO from me he's a cheat but at the end of the day who really cares,

They have to be super fit to do what they do and good luck to them but there's a reason they have to do the tour of wherever around the streets and countryside......because its the most boring sport ever and nobody would pay to watch it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just seen on the news lance armstrong is pleading for forgiveness for doping, so whats your thoughts on this?

Personally i think he shouldnt as he knowingly cheated and decieved people while taking money and prizes at the same time. "

Nope. Never in a million years. He cheated. End of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"a big NO from me he's a cheat but at the end of the day who really cares,

Lol you have obviously never been to the tour de France!.

You have to camp out for three days just to get a spot on the side of the road!.

The only way you could possibly ever understand the achievement they do is to see it for your own eyes or better still cycle one stage!.

I'd be surprised if you could even Finnish it in a day!, let alone a few hours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No because he admits he would do it again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"has he not said he would do the same again...

so, it's a no from me

Exactly what I was thinking.

A complete lack of remorse.

but in context of what he said he was honest. He did then say if starting a career today he wouldn't cheat. "

Appears cycling was rife with PED use at the time ...IF that was the case - I can understand why some would do what he did.

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By *onyneMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

Did he not turn up for a meet?

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

No, throw him to the lions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"a big NO from me he's a cheat but at the end of the day who really cares,

I've been to bike races in Belgium where 20000 people pay €20 euros each to watch, search for cyclocross on YouTube

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Forgive yes, forget no. Should quietly disappear into anonymity rather than continuing to court the publicity he so craves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just seen on the news lance armstrong is pleading for forgiveness for doping, so whats your thoughts on this?

Personally i think he shouldnt as he knowingly cheated and decieved people while taking money and prizes at the same time. "

As I cyclist I'd say no, he ruined the sport with his constant lies when all around him admitted to cheating he still said he didn't. Took people to court and won for accusing him, took win bonuses from sponsors and event promotors and bullied other competitors. The man is a horrible vile athlete who's best selling books should be on the fiction shelves in the shops who sell them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Burn him at the stake with every other criminal that gets mentioned on the forums

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"has he not said he would do the same again...

so, it's a no from me

Exactly what I was thinking.

A complete lack of remorse.

but in context of what he said he was honest. He did then say if starting a career today he wouldn't cheat.

Appears cycling was rife with PED use at the time ...IF that was the case - I can understand why some would do what he did.

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.There was known drugs and then there was unknown drugs and doping for which it was practically impossible to fail a test and was sanctioned at the highest level in the sport! and let's face facts we know now nearly everyone was on them.

Hinault,lemond,indurain everyone's stated to question how long has this had been going on?

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Burn him at the stake with every other criminal that gets mentioned on the forums

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No lions??!

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Those saying that everyone used PED's so it was a level playing field need to understand that not everyone was doping, not everyone reacts to doping the same way, & that the cumulative effects of doping in a multi-stage race meant that a person like Armstrong who reacted well to doping could (& did) simply outpower his rivals even though many were doping.

Remember that only selected riders on Postal were doping, the 'servant' riders were riding themselves into the ground each day doing 'paniagra' (bread & water) in order to launch the turbocharged riders at just the right moment.

Think how that felt when they realised they weren't getting the special treatment.

The man is a psychopath, best thing is to forget he ever existed as attention is what he craves above all else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"has he not said he would do the same again...

so, it's a no from me

Exactly what I was thinking.

A complete lack of remorse.

but in context of what he said he was honest. He did then say if starting a career today he wouldn't cheat.

Appears cycling was rife with PED use at the time ...IF that was the case - I can understand why some would do what he did.

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let's not forget in the 60s they took pcp to get an edge

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"a big NO from me he's a cheat but at the end of the day who really cares,

Lol you have obviously never been to the tour de France!.

You have to camp out for three days just to get a spot on the side of the road!.

The only way you could possibly ever understand the achievement they do is to see it for your own eyes or better still cycle one stage!.

I'd be surprised if you could even Finnish it in a day!, let alone a few hours."

http://youtu.be/t2CD5_oCZ2M Now tell me this isn't exciting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any cheating in sport is not forgiveable. But it seems that cycling was absolutely rife with it at the time and he was doing the same as everyone else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a endurance sport, long distance running is just as bad but not in the news so much. All sports have problems with it but cycling has a bigger dope testing program so more get tested and more get caught. It's working for sure

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Burn him at the stake with every other criminal that gets mentioned on the forums

No lions??!

Oh yeah! Release the hounds too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone that uses a cancer charity to mask their own vile ethics is scum. The Armstrong fraid is far deeper than simple doping. He is still an incredibly wealthy man but could lose it all and for all those that he bullied and forced out of the sport I hope he does lose it all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No.

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By *ushandkittyCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

It reminds me of the best 'tweet' I ever seen.

Some American bloke wrote something along the lines of 'Why all the fuss about this Bradley Wiggins guy I've never heard of him, who is he?'

Was met with the reply 'He's basically a British Lance Armstrong.... except he's not a cheating cunt!!!!'

lmfao

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The guy also said Google him if you want to know more, on that British invention.... The Internet

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

No no no

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hes a Yank Wank(google it) which automatically makes him a self serving egotistical Arrogant waste of space

Gimp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It reminds me of the best 'tweet' I ever seen.

Some American bloke wrote something along the lines of 'Why all the fuss about this Bradley Wiggins guy I've never heard of him, who is he?'

Was met with the reply 'He's basically a British Lance Armstrong.... except he's not a cheating cunt!!!!'

lmfao

I assume that the

are because the notion of Wiggins being clean is hilarious?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fact is they can't award his Tour de Frances to anybody else because they don't know who wasn't doping.

I think Lance is going down as the bad guy because he's the best of the cheaters.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just seen on the news lance armstrong is pleading for forgiveness for doping, so whats your thoughts on this?

Personally i think he shouldnt as he knowingly cheated and decieved people while taking money and prizes at the same time. "
No he is a cunt and does not deserve fab time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It reminds me of the best 'tweet' I ever seen.

Some American bloke wrote something along the lines of 'Why all the fuss about this Bradley Wiggins guy I've never heard of him, who is he?'

Was met with the reply 'He's basically a British Lance Armstrong.... except he's not a cheating cunt!!!!'

lmfao

I assume that the

are because the notion of Wiggins being clean is hilarious?

Do you suspect Wiggins isn't clean?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fact is they can't award his Tour de Frances to anybody else because they don't know who wasn't doping.

I think Lance is going down as the bad guy because he's the best of the cheaters."

Best ? He got caught

Gimp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lance Armstrong should not be forgiven no. Not only for doping but for maintaining the pack of lies for a long time, even on oath.

There again, there are other forms of cheating.

Chris Froome was clearly caught cheating on a mountain stage the year he won it. Had he played straight he may well not have done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It reminds me of the best 'tweet' I ever seen.

Some American bloke wrote something along the lines of 'Why all the fuss about this Bradley Wiggins guy I've never heard of him, who is he?'

Was met with the reply 'He's basically a British Lance Armstrong.... except he's not a cheating cunt!!!!'

lmfao

I assume that the

are because the notion of Wiggins being clean is hilarious?

Do you suspect Wiggins isn't clean?

I am saying that without a shadow of a doubt SKY have a massive doping culture. And I very much doubt Wiggins is outside of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fact is they can't award his Tour de Frances to anybody else because they don't know who wasn't doping.

I think Lance is going down as the bad guy because he's the best of the cheaters."
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Taking away the cheating and probably even worse the public crushing of any dissenters.

In my mind without doubt, he's still the greatest modern rider ever.

And if you ask any decent rider, there'll pretty much tell you the same, I think that was the greatest tragedy that it was someone so talented that felt the need to do it.

Or if we take away modern riders as they probably all cheated... Bring back Eddie merckx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It reminds me of the best 'tweet' I ever seen.

Some American bloke wrote something along the lines of 'Why all the fuss about this Bradley Wiggins guy I've never heard of him, who is he?'

Was met with the reply 'He's basically a British Lance Armstrong.... except he's not a cheating cunt!!!!'

lmfao

I assume that the

are because the notion of Wiggins being clean is hilarious?

Do you suspect Wiggins isn't clean?

I am saying that without a shadow of a doubt SKY have a massive doping culture. And I very much doubt Wiggins is outside of it.

Oooooooooh errr.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It reminds me of the best 'tweet' I ever seen.

Some American bloke wrote something along the lines of 'Why all the fuss about this Bradley Wiggins guy I've never heard of him, who is he?'

Was met with the reply 'He's basically a British Lance Armstrong.... except he's not a cheating cunt!!!!'

lmfao

I assume that the

are because the notion of Wiggins being clean is hilarious?

Do you suspect Wiggins isn't clean?

I am saying that without a shadow of a doubt SKY have a massive doping culture. And I very much doubt Wiggins is outside of it.

A shame if it's true, albeit not particularly surprising.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It reminds me of the best 'tweet' I ever seen.

Some American bloke wrote something along the lines of 'Why all the fuss about this Bradley Wiggins guy I've never heard of him, who is he?'

Was met with the reply 'He's basically a British Lance Armstrong.... except he's not a cheating cunt!!!!'

lmfao

I assume that the

are because the notion of Wiggins being clean is hilarious?

Do you suspect Wiggins isn't clean?

I am saying that without a shadow of a doubt SKY have a massive doping culture. And I very much doubt Wiggins is outside of it.

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Well that was the one big shock that really got missed in the Armstrong case.... Just how high up and deep it went right through from doctors to managers to leaders to the governing body!, even frigging TV commentators knew

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Forgive yes, forget no. Should quietly disappear into anonymity rather than continuing to court the publicity he so craves. "

This ^^^ Although I preferably people would stop asking him for inter_iews to provide the publicity (Her)

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

Or if we take away modern riders as they probably all cheated... Bring back Eddie merckx

Merckx doped. Didn't he also introduce LA to Ferrari?

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"It reminds me of the best 'tweet' I ever seen.

Some American bloke wrote something along the lines of 'Why all the fuss about this Bradley Wiggins guy I've never heard of him, who is he?'

Was met with the reply 'He's basically a British Lance Armstrong.... except he's not a cheating cunt!!!!'

lmfao

I assume that the

are because the notion of Wiggins being clean is hilarious?

Do you suspect Wiggins isn't clean?

I am saying that without a shadow of a doubt SKY have a massive doping culture. And I very much doubt Wiggins is outside of it.

Most of the commentators are ex-pros, so of course they knew

Have you read 'Wheelmen' and 'Cycle of Lies'?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or if we take away modern riders as they probably all cheated... Bring back Eddie merckx

Merckx doped. Didn't he also introduce LA to Ferrari?"
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Ha well yeah they all have cheated, but I'm guessing stimulants ain't quite as good as epo

Although to be fair to Eddie he always denied it...oh yeah

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

Or if we take away modern riders as they probably all cheated... Bring back Eddie merckx

Merckx doped. Didn't he also introduce LA to Ferrari?.

Ha well yeah they all have cheated, but I'm guessing stimulants ain't quite as good as epo

Although to be fair to Eddie he always denied it...oh yeah

Eddie only broadly denied it, given that he also said that it's impossible to win without doping...and he won it...lots!

My guess is that had EPO been available, he'd have used EPO!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Phil Liggett and Paul Sherwin who commentate on the ITV coverage also commentate on the US coverage.

They were embaressing sycophants and LA apologists, even when it was obvious he was about to confess they still spoke out on his defence.

There are pictures of both of them in many social settings with LA and on his private jet. Well the jet Livestrong money brought and was used exclusively by him

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Personally I think all the sports anti doping hurha is just a smokescreen to cover up the creaming off of monies earned through media sports coverage by those running the sports governing bodies.

As for doping itself, I think that there should be 2 groups in sport those who use artificial performance enhancing substances and those who don't. After all in all honesty who did not enjoy watching Armstrong and his team powering through France year after year?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or if we take away modern riders as they probably all cheated... Bring back Eddie merckx

Merckx doped. Didn't he also introduce LA to Ferrari?.

Ha well yeah they all have cheated, but I'm guessing stimulants ain't quite as good as epo

Although to be fair to Eddie he always denied it...oh yeah

Pre EPO, doping was primitive and riders like Hinault and Merckx would likely still have won. EPO turned donkeys in to racehorses, Bjarne Ris is the obvious one but plenty of others

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It reminds me of the best 'tweet' I ever seen.

Some American bloke wrote something along the lines of 'Why all the fuss about this Bradley Wiggins guy I've never heard of him, who is he?'

Was met with the reply 'He's basically a British Lance Armstrong.... except he's not a cheating cunt!!!!'

lmfao

I assume that the

are because the notion of Wiggins being clean is hilarious?

Do you suspect Wiggins isn't clean?

I am saying that without a shadow of a doubt SKY have a massive doping culture. And I very much doubt Wiggins is outside of it.

Most of the commentators are ex-pros, so of course they knew

Have you read 'Wheelmen' and 'Cycle of Lies'?

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no but I've been meaning to look them up for ages.

Just that comment, there ex pros, of course they knew.

Its damming in its own right isn't it, the fact they could be so blase with the entire drugs and cheating that they didn't mind who knew, they genuinely thought it was a secret that was never getting out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally I think all the sports anti doping hurha is just a smokescreen to cover up the creaming off of monies earned through media sports coverage by those running the sports governing bodies.

Armstrong were the dullest least inspiring tour wins ever. Negative and predictable racing, even worse than Indurain to watch.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

Or if we take away modern riders as they probably all cheated... Bring back Eddie merckx

Merckx doped. Didn't he also introduce LA to Ferrari?.

Ha well yeah they all have cheated, but I'm guessing stimulants ain't quite as good as epo

Although to be fair to Eddie he always denied it...oh yeah

Pre EPO, doping was primitive and riders like Hinault and Merckx would likely still have won. "

Arguably, so would Armstrong?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or if we take away modern riders as they probably all cheated... Bring back Eddie merckx

Merckx doped. Didn't he also introduce LA to Ferrari?.

Ha well yeah they all have cheated, but I'm guessing stimulants ain't quite as good as epo

Although to be fair to Eddie he always denied it...oh yeah

Pre EPO, doping was primitive and riders like Hinault and Merckx would likely still have won.

Arguably, so would Armstrong? "
...I've no doubt he would have.

Is there due to the amount of cheating in previous history from getting lifts off cars with fishing wire to PCP, stimulants and epo and blood doping... perhaps there's a case for the tour just being physically to tough

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Forgiven? Of course. We've all made big mistakes and should be made accountable for them.

Being forgiven for making a mistake though isn't the same as forgetting and letting someone off.

He should never again be allowed to compete in professional racing. But perhaps he can help other sports people learn from his mistake

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope

He is trying to justify it.

He talks about the cheating as if it were another person. Shameful.

He could have been such a force for good.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"Nope

He is trying to justify it.

He talks about the cheating as if it were another person. Shameful.

He could have been such a force for good. "

Technically, he couldn't...he'd have never won a single tour if he'd been clean!

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By *eKoopleCouple
over a year ago

Germany / Manchester

He should be forgiven as he's not the only one guilty of cheating. Who organised the needles and pills in an effort to protect the investments of the sponsors? -Mr.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lance Armstrong should not be forgiven no. Not only for doping but for maintaining the pack of lies for a long time, even on oath.

There again, there are other forms of cheating.

Chris Froome was clearly caught cheating on a mountain stage the year he won it. Had he played straight he may well not have done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally I think all the sports anti doping hurha is just a smokescreen to cover up the creaming off of monies earned through media sports coverage by those running the sports governing bodies.

Armstrong were the dullest least inspiring tour wins ever. Negative and predictable racing, even worse than Indurain to watch. "
. Indurain... Had to be on the juice, how can a guy that big get up mountains??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I haven't condemned him. So how can I forgive?

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Should lance armstrong be forgiven?

Anyway, moving on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lance Armstrong should not be forgiven no. Not only for doping but for maintaining the pack of lies for a long time, even on oath.

There again, there are other forms of cheating.

Chris Froome was clearly caught cheating on a mountain stage the year he won it. Had he played straight he may well not have done.

???"

Think there refering to him having a energy gel inside the no feed zone because he was empty, a bit simplistic but by the rules it is cheating

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What is making me chuckle on this thread is people think the sport is now clean or cleaner since Armstrong got caught, doping is still rife in the sport and every now and then they throw someone to the wolves to make it look like they are doing something,

As has been said on another thread a while ago, it's not going to be a shock when nibali gets his tour taken off him for doping

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Not a fucking chance,he knew what he was doing at the time.

Not only should he have been stripped of his yellow jerseys, but also been made to pay back the winnings from the races he won.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lance Armstrong should not be forgiven no. Not only for doping but for maintaining the pack of lies for a long time, even on oath.

There again, there are other forms of cheating.

Chris Froome was clearly caught cheating on a mountain stage the year he won it. Had he played straight he may well not have done.

???

Think there refering to him having a energy gel inside the no feed zone because he was empty, a bit simplistic but by the rules it is cheating"

Did wonder if this was it, if he'd had it in his pocket it wouldn't of mattered but he was penalised and still won

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not a fucking chance,he knew what he was doing at the time.

Not only should he have been stripped of his yellow jerseys, but also been made to pay back the winnings from the races he won."

I think some are trying to recoup monies paid, I know he got a huge bonus for winning 3 American races in one season and they were trying to get that back

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By *aughtyinguMan
over a year ago

swindon

There was quite some shenanigans going on, they did blood transfers every few days too I think

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"a big NO from me he's a cheat but at the end of the day who really cares,

Lol you have obviously never been to the tour de France!.

You have to camp out for three days just to get a spot on the side of the road!.

The only way you could possibly ever understand the achievement they do is to see it for your own eyes or better still cycle one stage!.

I'd be surprised if you could even Finnish it in a day!, let alone a few hours.

http://youtu.be/t2CD5_oCZ2M Now tell me this isn't exciting "

This isnt exciting! Admitted ly amazing strength, stamina and endurance. . Cannot knock any of them especially as I couldnt do it but exciting it isnt imo but each to their own.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally I think all the sports anti doping hurha is just a smokescreen to cover up the creaming off of monies earned through media sports coverage by those running the sports governing bodies.

Armstrong were the dullest least inspiring tour wins ever. Negative and predictable racing, even worse than Indurain to watch. . Indurain... Had to be on the juice, how can a guy that big get up mountains??"

Undoubtedly. But never underestimate the value in being a thoroughly nice guy.

It wasn't the cheating yhat was Armstrong' s downfall in my opinion

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"Personally I think all the sports anti doping hurha is just a smokescreen to cover up the creaming off of monies earned through media sports coverage by those running the sports governing bodies.

Undoubtedly. But never underestimate the value in being a thoroughly nice guy.

It wasn't the cheating yhat was Armstrong' s downfall in my opinion"

I immediately thought of Lance when I read Chris Kyle's autobiography - brash, arrogant, unlikable Texan, entirely lacking in self-awareness...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is making me chuckle on this thread is people think the sport is now clean or cleaner since Armstrong got caught, doping is still rife in the sport and every now and then they throw someone to the wolves to make it look like they are doing something,

As has been said on another thread a while ago, it's not going to be a shock when nibali gets his tour taken off him for doping"
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Yeah but everyone still cheers bolt and any other record breaker like their all squeaky clean!.

Do you not think any of those racing drivers take it? Or footballers or rugby players.

Once you get a sport that's competitive and has mega money involved...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no i dont think he should be forgiven he did say if he had his time again he would do same thing

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"no i dont think he should be forgiven he did say if he had his time again he would do same thing"

He said that if he had his time again in the same era, he would do the same thing. All he did was stopped Jan Ullrich winning a ton of tours while he was doping

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"no i dont think he should be forgiven he did say if he had his time again he would do same thing

He said that if he had his time again in the same era, he would do the same thing. All he did was stopped Jan Ullrich winning a ton of tours while he was doping

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It's lost on some people!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As has been said on another thread a while ago, it's not going to be a shock when nibali gets his tour taken off him for doping.

Yeah but everyone still cheers bolt and any other record breaker like their all squeaky clean!.

Do you not think any of those racing drivers take it? Or footballers or rugby players.

Once you get a sport that's competitive and has mega money involved..."

yes I'm well aware that other sports are rife with it as well but we're not discussing all sports just cycling, and for people to think armstrong been caught out eventually makes 1 bit of difference to today's cyclist is deluded

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By *rank_SimoneCouple
over a year ago

Bideford

Why not, we have forgiven all the other cheats in sport so why should we single out Lance.

As a nation we accept liars and cheats, because we vote them back in every 4 to 5 years.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"no i dont think he should be forgiven he did say if he had his time again he would do same thing"

think he was referring to if it was 05, probably just his way of saying every fucker was doping and that was the only way then to win..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No No No No No

The ultimate case of going from hero to zero and in my _iew there's no way back for him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As has been said on another thread a while ago, it's not going to be a shock when nibali gets his tour taken off him for doping.

Yeah but everyone still cheers bolt and any other record breaker like their all squeaky clean!.

Do you not think any of those racing drivers take it? Or footballers or rugby players.

Once you get a sport that's competitive and has mega money involved...

Yeah no but yeah... I was agreeing with you

.I think... Although hang on I think it will make difference, there'll obviously look for other drugs the testers don't know about

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By *ultry SuccubusTV/TS
over a year ago

London

NEVER

He's just too arrogant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As has been said on another thread a while ago, it's not going to be a shock when nibali gets his tour taken off him for doping.

Yeah but everyone still cheers bolt and any other record breaker like their all squeaky clean!.

Do you not think any of those racing drivers take it? Or footballers or rugby players.

Once you get a sport that's competitive and has mega money involved...

Yeah no but yeah... I was agreeing with you

.I think... Although hang on I think it will make difference, there'll obviously look for other drugs the testers don't know about

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eh????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't think he gives a shit if I forgive him or not, he just wants his money back, and I can't see his sponsors coming back, he was past his sell by date before the drugs were known about.

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over a year ago

As has been said on another thread a while ago, it's not going to be a shock when nibali gets his tour taken off him for doping.

Yeah but everyone still cheers bolt and any other record breaker like their all squeaky clean!.

Do you not think any of those racing drivers take it? Or footballers or rugby players.

Once you get a sport that's competitive and has mega money involved...

Yeah no but yeah... I was agreeing with you

.I think... Although hang on I think it will make difference, there'll obviously look for other drugs the testers don't know about

eh????"
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Obviously there'll need a new epo, can't use that one now the testers know about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Any cheating in sport is not forgiveable. But it seems that cycling was absolutely rife with it at the time and he was doing the same as everyone else.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"no i dont think he should be forgiven he did say if he had his time again he would do same thing

think he was referring to if it was 05, probably just his way of saying every fucker was doping and that was the only way then to win.."

Which would have been a fair point, if he hadn't been such a fucking hypocrite about the whole affair throughout his career.

I never felt that much anger towards him, just disappointment...probably due to the fact he had me fooled for a number of years (though my blinkers were off a long time before he was ultimately found out)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope. Never.

He's still angry at the whole thing and firmly believes he was in the right for everything.

As the old additch goes, the bigger they are, the harder they fall.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes and No.

I feel for him as he has been made a scapegoat; there are plenty of others who were doing the same, got caught and are still allowed to work in the sport and manage teams and get on in life.

At the same time, he was a real asshole, in the biggest sense of the word. He really made life hell for those who spoke out against him.

He is currently making money to survive by playing golf with rich guys around Aspen, Colorado, where he stays. He still has his fancy house and possessions but from what I've read he will soon be left with nothing.

I'm sure he will be the first to admit that he deserves what comes to him but at the same time he has every right to say "well, you forgave those guys!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He is an arrogant,cheating control freak bully, and I dont know why he is getting all this attention. He has made millions out of his behaviour and should just crawl back under a damp stone.

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By *iverscuMan
over a year ago

Berkshire

I dont think he should be forgiven but neither do i think the rest of them should be getting away without life time bans as well. They have all given evidence but only Lance has the lifetime ban.

I don't blame him for doping, in those years you had to dope otherwise you would have zero chance of winning.

What i do blame him for is being a total asshole.

Doping is going on today, its no where near the levels back then but just look at Astana. 5 guys have been caught and im pretty sure its only a matter of time before Nibali gets busted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Burn him at the stake with every other criminal that gets mentioned on the forums

No lions??!

Should we forgive Lance Armstrong's carcass?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No he shouldn't as he said he would cheat again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fact is they can't award his Tour de Frances to anybody else because they don't know who wasn't doping.

I think Lance is going down as the bad guy because he's the best of the cheaters.

Best ? He got caught

Gimp"

I wasn't referring to his cheating ability, I was referring they all were cheating cyclist and he was the best in terms of cycling.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

in an inter_iew recently on TV, he didn't show remorse. So no he shouldn't be forgiven. He should have to pay back the winnings from his races as well.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"No he shouldn't as he said he would cheat again."

Now look at what he actually said! There's a subtle difference.

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By *HAGADELICCouple
over a year ago

south london

The cheating is bad enough there is also the fact that he bullied and destroyed people's careers to cover up his cheating.

So no.

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By *orsecover59Couple
over a year ago

Jersey

You cant believe a word this bloke says...........personally I am begining to doubt he ever even went to the moon..........

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By *omaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

No. He denied his cheating time and time again, even when the evidence was laid out before him. He discredited his friends, family and the sport. All for fame and fortune. . A born cheat that will never change.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It would seem he's been at it again, getting his partner to lie for him when he was involved in a car accident when he was driving whilst possibly d*unk

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By *.nottsbloke..Man
over a year ago

the vale

"It would seem he's been at it again, getting his partner to lie for him when he was involved in a car accident when he was driving whilst possibly d*unk "

chance of jail this time hit and run along with lying about the driver

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It would seem he's been at it again, getting his partner to lie for him when he was involved in a car accident when he was driving whilst possibly d*unk "

He's such a lovely charming man,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It would seem he's been at it again, getting his partner to lie for him when he was involved in a car accident when he was driving whilst possibly d*unk

chance of jail this time hit and run along with lying about the driver"

They will get him inside one way or another

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It would seem that this chap has a problem with taking responsibility for anything. Tosser!

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"No he shouldn't as he said he would cheat again."

I think that this is slightly out of context. He said... If he could rewind the clock and start again he'd still cheat. Although if he was starting now, he wouldn't. He was making a point that in those years, there wasn't a chance if you didn't dope.

Personally, I think that the lifetime ban should be lifted and he should be allowed to take part in what ever races he likes. He'll never be the hero he once was and he'll never be able to make The Elite ranks again.

I also must say, the sponsors who all want their money back are a bit hypocritical too. They certainly benefited from Lance's success at the time. Their market exposure and profits would have been well worth their fee. I'm not sure where they feel they've lost out ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No he shouldn't as he said he would cheat again.

He wants to compete in triathlon. He would certainly be amongst the best in his age group abd there is still a lot of money to be made. So while he could never return to elite cycling he could still be very prominent

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands

Absolutely no

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By *onnyeasygoingMan
over a year ago

Somewhere on the M62 between 24 and 14

No.

End of.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"I also must say, the sponsors who all want their money back are a bit hypocritical too. They certainly benefited from Lance's success at the time. Their market exposure and profits would have been well worth their fee. I'm not sure where they feel they've lost out ?"

The five people that had heard of Trek before US Postal's first TdF win would probably disagree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just seen on the news lance armstrong is pleading for forgiveness for doping, so whats your thoughts on this?

Personally i think he shouldnt as he knowingly cheated and decieved people while taking money and prizes at the same time. "
As the Lord says,forgive the sinner but hate the sin

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""I also must say, the sponsors who all want their money back are a bit hypocritical too. They certainly benefited from Lance's success at the time. Their market exposure and profits would have been well worth their fee. I'm not sure where they feel they've lost out ?"

The five people that had heard of Trek before US Postal's first TdF win would probably disagree

To me Trek bikes are still as bland as they were pre-armstrong but they were pretty much a non-entity even compared to Specialised and Cannondale, let alone global brands. They along with Nike, Oakley and Giro all massively benefited from Armstrong. Although interestingly Nike (much like Adidas) failed to make any longterm move in to cycling. You can see why they dropped him but they aren't looking for compensation from him.

The courtcase with USPS isn't about recovering the money, it's a lot more complicated thatn that as he it was funded by taxes and the court case has been been driven by Floyd Landis not USPS or the government

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple
over a year ago

near cardiff

Lance Armstrong is being made out as a scapegoat...i love cycling but its a filthy drug fuelled sport.he should be forgiven..if not then every sample on ice should be re tested and all the drug cheats should be named,shamed,stripped of titles,sued and banned from the sport for life.if its good enough for lance then its good enough for all of them...how can cycling have any credibility if they make exceptions,and have one off rulings.its just hypocritical

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

The five people that had heard of Trek before US Postal's first TdF win would probably disagree

I did have Oakley's pre-Lance! A pair of Frogskins I bought in about '96

I now have a useless pair of Half Jacket XL's that I can only use as an alice band to keep my hair out of my eyes as I refused to pay the £300 they wanted for prescription lenses!

I read about the USPS stuff in Wheelmen and the other book that I can't remember the title of!

As you say, far more complicated than sponsorship and instigated by Landis as he stands to gain massively from it, which is fucking ironic in itself, really!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Landis strikes me as a very bitter man, and very sulky, he cheated he got caught simple, why is it everyone else's Fault?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Landis strikes me as a very bitter man, and very sulky, he cheated he got caught simple, why is it everyone else's Fault? "

He lost everything, his wife left him, after her father committed suicide (and the stress/shame was allefgedly a factor) and is virtually bankrupt. He also came from an Amish background so would have sacrificed a lot to become a cyclist. He's been convicted of computer hacking of a doping lab - the guy is a complete mess.

But he denied his guilt even after the positive and after losing his own money his appeal eas effectively crowdfunded.

David Miller summed it up best, he should have admitted it, he'd have been back racing 2 years later and the cost would have been far, far less

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Landis strikes me as a very bitter man, and very sulky, he cheated he got caught simple, why is it everyone else's Fault?

But he denied his guilt even after the positive and after losing his own money his appeal eas effectively crowdfunded.

David Miller summed it up best, he should have admitted it, he'd have been back racing 2 years later and the cost would have been far, far less"

the last few years though haven't seemed to be about proving his innocence but more about proving armstrongs guilt,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Landis strikes me as a very bitter man, and very sulky, he cheated he got caught simple, why is it everyone else's Fault?

But he denied his guilt even after the positive and after losing his own money his appeal eas effectively crowdfunded.

David Miller summed it up best, he should have admitted it, he'd have been back racing 2 years later and the cost would have been far, far less

the last few years though haven't seemed to be about proving his innocence but more about proving armstrongs guilt,"

Totally. But he spend 4 years protesting his innocence. Even Tyler Hamilton through in the towel sooner than that! I can see why he's bitter but he's brought it all on himself.

Sadly it took that level of bitterness and desperation for someone to have the courage to bring Armstrong down. He literally has nothing left to lose.

Though I'm not sure courage is the right word

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Landis strikes me as a very bitter man, and very sulky, he cheated he got caught simple, why is it everyone else's Fault? "

Was obvious he juiced up that day, you don't loose 15 mins one day and win the next, thick American twat

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