FabSwingers.com forum: Rich countries urged to do more in Pakistan!

By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago

Up North :-)

Should we, and if so how much?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should we, and if so how much?"

we are a rich country???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We’re not rich, but we do take everything for granted, take a trip to the slums for a week and you’ll feel like a multi millionaire when you get home

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"We’re not rich, but we do take everything for granted, take a trip to the slums for a week and you’ll feel like a multi millionaire when you get home

I've been to Airdrie...

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

I've got £3.25 and a button in my pocket, they can have that if they want.

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

What astounded me about the aid requests was how quickly they came up with a target figure.

It had barely stopped raining and some team of accountants have figured out that they need £270 Million....

Nobody asks them to show their workings, though...

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe these floods are in the areas controlled by the taliban, I also seem to remember Muslims standing up and saying that the damage done to New Orleans was the work Allah as a punishment to the west.

Seems to me that while the Taliban are dealing with these floods they will not be training bombers, and that as we are never thanked for our aid that we should leave it to the Arab oil Sheiks and Indonesia to help there fellow Muslims.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It always beats us that countrys that can spend millions on nuclear weapons,when so many of it's people live in poverty,can cry out for aid when they have a natural disaster.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The recent cricket debacle has shown just how corrupt Pakistan is and it's not the first time it's happened either. The President is known as Mr 10% as he creams off a slice of the cash generated by govt contracts for himself.

I rarely donate to disaster aid charities like these as there is no quantifiable way of establishing that all the money raised gets to the people it was intended for. I donate to home charities only.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe these floods are in the areas controlled by the taliban, I also seem to remember Muslims standing up and saying that the damage done to New Orleans was the work Allah as a punishment to the west.

Very true,wonder if they'll see it as a sign from Allah to mend their ways.

We somehow doubt it.

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

So one subset of Muslims should help out a second subset of Muslims, due to a third subset being closedminded idiots?

So much for Christian tolerance...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont read newspapers or watch the news, I know nothing of the floods and of what you say to be fact, but if that is true, then the Taliban who have vast funds around the world and a rather large following should be helping them out more

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

On a political propoganda front, it is probably the best way to tackle the Taliban and other Tribal chiefs, to be seen as helping them out in their hour of greatest need you will alienate the Taliban to the local population.

Money well spent if it goes on to save British troops lives....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We’re not rich, but we do take everything for granted, take a trip to the slums for a week and you’ll feel like a multi millionaire when you get home

You don't have to visit slums overseas: any run down estate near where you live will show people in poverty!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should we, and if so how much?"

No & therefore nothing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

not wishing to start a row on here but

why the hell should we?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would like to know ....

How much did Pakistan give to the victims of New Orleans ?

How many people in the UK recieved assistance or messages of sympathy from Pakistan when they lost thier homes and everything in the UK floods, many of whom were too impoverished to afford insurance

Pakistan is a richer country than Britain, though they do let thier poor live in worse conditions than the poor people in Britain

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"not wishing to start a row on here but

why the hell should we?

Enlightened self interest. The UK pillaged the Empire for many years leaving a lot of countries in a mess both financially and politically.

If the West doen't help Pakistan it will, as someone has suggested above, seek help from countries or tribes we'd rather couldn't exert influence on the goovernment of a country with nuclear weapons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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Pakistan is a richer country than Britain, though they do let thier poor live in worse conditions than the poor people in Britain"

Which measure of 'richer' are you using?

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Pakistan is a richer country than Britain, though they do let thier poor live in worse conditions than the poor people in Britain"

Would love to know how you square this argument......richer how?

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Remind us Jed....exactly how many lost their lives in the UK floods?

Or how many permanently lost their homes and farms?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Recession and Pakistan as statement from them

On the October 8, 2008, IMF released its World Economic Outlook, according to which the world economy was predicted to experience an all time low. While many economists and brokers alike, panicked; some shook their heads in dismay; some just planned on waiting to see what twisted fruits this might reap. We in Pakistan, however, just laughed at the naivety of the IMF, for this prediction did not apply to us at all, Pakistan is actually a very economically diverse country, boasting industries of textiles, agriculture, sports goods, chemicals, food processing, and fishing, to name a few. We were, at one point, one of the top exporters of fish and shrimps to Europe. In 2005, the World Bank named Pakistan as the top reformer in the region; and by 2006 we had managed to decrease our poverty level by 21 %

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we aren't a rich country we just are mugs taking in anyone wraif and stray

and then cant look after uk people born in this bloody country

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

thought we were fighting them ,,now they want us to feed them f,,,,k that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"On a political propoganda front, it is probably the best way to tackle the Taliban and other Tribal chiefs, to be seen as helping them out in their hour of greatest need you will alienate the Taliban to the local population.

Money well spent if it goes on to save British troops lives...."

Great in principle but we will not control the money once it gets there and it's a pretty good bet that some of it will end up in Taliban hands and used to buy weapons to use against us.

As a tolerant civilised country we cannot adopt a stance of not giving aid when it's needed but we also have to look at the countries requesting it and ask the logical questions about where that money will realistically end up.

It's not Pakistan's fault that a sizable portion of the country has been flooded but it is their fault that greedy landowners have diverted flood water off of their land and into towns and villages downstream. It is Pakistan's fault that they have corruption prevailing right through their society from the top to the bottom.

*** Without wishing to sound racist ***, growing up in a place like Luton, where there is a large population of Pakistanis, you see what they are really like on an every day basis. Their shops are always priced higher than anyone else, they control the taxi industry through force if it's threatened by anyone at all, and if you agree to sell your house to a Pakistani I'll guarantee you 1000% that two weeks before completion they will drop the price by £10k - I've seen it happen on more than one occasion.

I don't trust that all of the aid we send to Pakistan will reach the flooded out victims.

So on that basis, I'm out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i didnt know we are at war with pakistann lol

or have i missed it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dunno how many died in the UK floods, I just know that a lot of people are dying in this country from a lack of available funds for Health Care, military equipment and many other financial reasons.

We are not laughing about the recession like Pakistan say they are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i didnt know we are at war with pakistann lol

or have i missed it

Yes those were the days when we were at war with everyone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Recession and Pakistan as statement from them

That's a bit misleading. It goes on to say

"Unfortunately, now all these are a thing of the past, for right now is no better than that of any other under-developed country. The main reason for this slump has largely been the political instability over the past few years; no proper economic policies were implemented; at least none that succeeded. This caused a very high rate of inflation, which, in 2008, had increased to a whopping 25% as compared to a 7.9% of 2006. In addition to this, we already had a negative balance of payments, with the quantity of imports outstripping the quantity of exports. The result was that our main stock exchange, the Karachi Stock Exchange, became stagnant for the first time and then declined drastically, and on top of that, Pakistan’s GDP dropped to 4.9%.

What occurred afterwards is what we call the domino effect. The value of the Rupee crashed from 60-1 USD to 80-1 USD in only a month, the prices of commodities soared through the roof, the number of people living below poverty line increased from 60 million to 77 million, and consequently, the working class layman became virtually deprived from basic necessities like water, wheat, electricity, natural gas, and cooking oil; add to all this, the preposterous amounts of load-shedding, and what we get is a nation in shambles.

The sad part is that we live through this everyday. The privileged few of the population can keep small amounts of petrol at home, but all the others have to roam around the city, usually on foot, desperately seeking a petrol station that actually supplies petrol. We have become a country where our most cultivated crop, wheat, is no longer available to the masses, and an average man on a minimum wage considers himself the luckiest man alive if he manages to get only one proper meal a day.

We have reached a point where rebuilding our deteriorating economy will take time, constant vigilance, a lot of risks and of course, vast amounts of money. Thank fully, we have taken steps, like a loan of $9 million USD from the IMF, slowly we will improve. Bigger economies, like that of the USA, will survive this; our chances of making it unscathed, with our dignity and economy still intact, are extremely slim, it is, after all, survival of the fittest. Only time will tell how far down our GDP will take us."

ie we(Pakistan) are in the shit and it's getting worse.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"Recession and Pakistan as statement from them

Sorry but that doesn't make Pakistan a richer country than Britain, it is measured on matters like GDP rather than how quick it takes to take a population out of poverty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

read the papers ,,watch yte news

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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I don't trust that all of the aid we send to Pakistan will reach the flooded out victims.

So on that basis, I'm out."

"*** Without wishing to sound racist ***," you're doing a very good job of it.

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By *andcCouple
over a year ago

London and Cheshire

And that's what they will do! The Taliban will give money locally, build new schools, etc, etc...Then they will say where were all the western countries when you needed help? This is one of the easiest ways to get people on your side/recruit new fighters.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"Dunno how many died in the UK floods, I just know that a lot of people are dying in this country from a lack of available funds for Health Care, military equipment and many other financial reasons.

We are not laughing about the recession like Pakistan say they are."

Pakistan Nominal GDP per Capita is $1,067.....UK Nominal GDP per Capita is $35,720

Pakistan has no public health service to speak of, their life expectancy is 22 years less than the UK....sound like a rich country to you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thanks to whoever removed the 'our brave soldiers..............' post.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ok they arent richer, I concede your point and truth is it would be good to help, but within our means, we simply cannot afford to just throw telephone number amounts in aid to all the countries we do, we are already investing Billions in Pakistan with our assistance in ridding them of thier Taliban element, stronger in thier neighbouring Afghanistan but still killing people and thriving in Pakistan itself.

It's time to be sensible and see what the other richer countries of the world can come up with first then see if they still need our help, we are always in the first to rush aid to countries whilst others sit back and do very little, Japan, Germany France, all with bigger GNP than us actually do much less that us in such crisis times

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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I don't trust that all of the aid we send to Pakistan will reach the flooded out victims.

So on that basis, I'm out.

"*** Without wishing to sound racist ***," you're doing a very good job of it."

I've said it how I've seen it - with my own two eyes. That's not racist, it's a statement of what I've seen. Learn the difference before accusing someone of it!

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

The post has disapeared that I was in the middle of quoting and correcting him on!

I wonder why?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"not wishing to start a row on here but

why the hell should we?

My point too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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I don't trust that all of the aid we send to Pakistan will reach the flooded out victims.

So on that basis, I'm out.

"*** Without wishing to sound racist ***," you're doing a very good job of it.

I've said it how I've seen it - with my own two eyes. That's not racist, it's a statement of what I've seen. Learn the difference before accusing someone of it!"

No, you're using the example of some and aplying it to all - that's racist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

applying

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would be more inclined to help India then Pakistan then Poland and so on than somewhere like Zimbabwe, it is not about Racism it is about respect for me.

Indians and Pakistanis died in thier Thousands fighting for Great Britain throughout History, Poland was the first country to join us as allies.

It is not about racism for me it is about affordability and pissed off with other rich countries watching the rest of us do everything

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally, I am of the belief, if you feel like donating irrespective of the location/demographics, then donate!

We all have only one chance on this Earth, lets try and enjoy and ensure that as Human beings we are granted that right!

I understand peoples frustrations/anger!

I'd never pass any Human/Animal that was in distress.

Paddy xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you will find that the people in Luton are British and most were born here, some own corner shops too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pitstop I honestly wish I could share your love of the world, I really do, but there are a lot of politicians I would gladly cross the street to pass were they in pain.

No good Samaritan here but honest about it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would be more inclined to help India then Pakistan then Poland and so on than somewhere like Zimbabwe, it is not about Racism it is about respect for me.

Indians and Pakistanis died in thier Thousands fighting for Great Britain throughout History, Poland was the first country to join us as allies.

It is not about racism for me it is about affordability and pissed off with other rich countries watching the rest of us do everything"

Zimbabwe used to be Rhodesia. Rhodesia was a Crown Colony.

Many Rhodesians served with pride and distinction in the British Armed Forces over the years.

Many died.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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No, you're using the example of some and aplying it to all - that's racist."

I'm using the example of ALL that I have personally come into contact with. Without exception. You can't argue with that as you haven't lived in Luton. That is not racist.

But just for you, here is what racism actually means:

"Racism is the belief that the genetic factors which constitute race are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race."

I stated that all the Pakistanis I've had dealings with have been underhand and/or outright corrupt. I didn't say that all the white people I've dealings with are as pure as the driven snow.

Learn - The - Difference!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally, I am of the belief, if you feel like donating irrespective of the location/demographics, then donate!

..................

Paddy xx "

I wonder how many people donate to DEC (or Comic Relief or Red Nose etc) 'cos it makes them feel better about themselves

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

I will hold onto all your handbags if you like?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think you will find that the people in Luton are British and most were born here, some own corner shops too."

I think I'll find that having lived most of my 45 years there I'm a little more qualified to reflect on life in Luton.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was born in Coventry in the late 60's

am I fooked?

Paddy xxx

"I think you will find that the people in Luton are British and most were born here, some own corner shops too."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think you will find that the people in Luton are British and most were born here, some own corner shops too.

I think I'll find that having lived most of my 45 years there I'm a little more qualified to reflect on life in Luton."

Then I salute you, I have to admit that when I lived in Walsall I never asked my neighbours if they were born in this country let alone run around the whole town asking everyone of obvious foreign descent where they were actually born, I just happen to know that many in fact most these days are born in this country 2nd 3rd and even 4th generation people from originally other countries.

Or maybe we should jail every Chechoslavkian too young to have fought in the 2nd World War since they are in all probability descendents of the SS Battalions brought to this country when the war ended.

The vast majority of what you call Pakistanis in this country were born here

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By *uton_coupleCouple
over a year ago

luton

"not wishing to start a row on here but

why the hell should we?

Enlightened self interest. The UK pillaged the Empire for many years leaving a lot of countries in a mess both financially and politically.

If the West doen't help Pakistan it will, as someone has suggested above, seek help from countries or tribes we'd rather couldn't exert influence on the goovernment of a country with nuclear weapons."

when you say the UK pillaged the empire , we should put that into perspective

who decided to embark on such a quest

the answer is the landed gentry , lords , royalty etc like elizabeth the 1st

they were the ones that set up the sugar plantations , slave trades etc

they were the land grabbers

let THEM pay for there mistakes , not the decendants of the jack tars that were shangheided , and forced to do there duty

just because someone put a shilling in the bottom of there pint of beer FFS

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The vast majority of what you call Pakistanis in this country were born here"

And a vast majority if them still consider themselves to be Pakistanis even though they may be 3rd or 4th gen Britons by place of birth.

You weren't there when a convoy of some 50 cars drove around and around the town hall in Luton when Pakistan won the cricket world cup. You weren't there when anyone remotely Caucasian British was attacked by groups of marrauding Pakistanis that same night.

Was that a crime committed by just a few? Or an indicament of how the majority feel about their host country, even though they were probably born here?

Many people in Luton are not racist but feel resentful about the treatment they recieve from the Pakistani population and the preferential treatment the Pakistanis receive from the state.

But don't take my word for it. Go there. It's not far.

You most assuredly won't find much in Aid heading from Luton to Pakistan unless it's the Pakistanis giving it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We Scots did a fair amount of pillaging on our own behalf with need of encouragement from Lords, Ladies, landed gentry or assorted monarchs.

It's generally believed Scots fought on both sides of every major conflict from 1066 till about 1900 (maybe even a wee bit later).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"not wishing to start a row on here but

why the hell should we?

Enlightened self interest. The UK pillaged the Empire for many years leaving a lot of countries in a mess both financially and politically.

If the West doen't help Pakistan it will, as someone has suggested above, seek help from countries or tribes we'd rather couldn't exert influence on the goovernment of a country with nuclear weapons.

when you say the UK pillaged the empire , we should put that into perspective

who decided to embark on such a quest

the answer is the landed gentry , lords , royalty etc like elizabeth the 1st

they were the ones that set up the sugar plantations , slave trades etc

they were the land grabbers

let THEM pay for there mistakes , not the decendants of the jack tars that were shangheided , and forced to do there duty

just because someone put a shilling in the bottom of there pint of beer FFS"

Many countries were pillaged but also taken out of the "dark ages" and shown thier national wealth and how to manage it so that now they are better for it.

Not saying it was right not saying it was wrong just saying that few countries are still suffering from the "land grab" and most are now reaping the advantages of being shown the ways of commerce, industrialisation and a structured society

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Of the estimated 1.2 million Pakistanis that live in the UK, roughly 720,000 were born in the UK.

Luton has a comparatively lower Pakistan population than many other parts of the UK with around 17,500 or 9.4% of the general population.

Bradford has around 75,000 Pakistanis or 15.3% of the general population and Oldham has 13.5%, Blackburn 11.9%.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The vast majority of what you call Pakistanis in this country were born here

And a vast majority if them still consider themselves to be Pakistanis even though they may be 3rd or 4th gen Britons by place of birth.

Was that a crime committed by just a few? Or an indicament of how the majority feel about their host country, even though they were probably born here?

Many people in Luton are not racist but feel resentful about the treatment they recieve from the Pakistani population and the preferential treatment the Pakistanis receive from the state.

But don't take my word for it. Go there. It's not far.

You most assuredly won't find much in Aid heading from Luton to Pakistan unless it's the Pakistanis giving it."

Yea but you have one of the best Gay saunas in Europe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thanks for the info Jane but I'm not talking about Bradford, Oldham nor Blackburn as I have limited or no experiences of those places. I'm talking about what I know well, Luton.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yea but you have one of the best Gay saunas in Europe

I've never been to it. Bit too close to home for me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Of the estimated 1.2 million Pakistanis that live in the UK, roughly 720,000 were born in the UK.

Luton has a comparatively lower Pakistan population than many other parts of the UK with around 17,500 or 9.4% of the general population.

Bradford has around 75,000 Pakistanis or 15.3% of the general population and Oldham has 13.5%, Blackburn 11.9%.....

The house next door to me has 100% occupancy by Pakistanis and lovely people they are too

Good point very informative

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"Thanks for the info Jane but I'm not talking about Bradford, Oldham nor Blackburn as I have limited or no experiences of those places. I'm talking about what I know well, Luton. "

You can rest peacefully in the knowledge that a person born to Pakistani parents in Luton is as British as you and I though.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Of the estimated 1.2 million Pakistanis that live in the UK, roughly 720,000 were born in the UK.

Luton has a comparatively lower Pakistan population than many other parts of the UK with around 17,500 or 9.4% of the general population.

Bradford has around 75,000 Pakistanis or 15.3% of the general population and Oldham has 13.5%, Blackburn 11.9%.....

The house next door to me has 100% occupancy by Pakistanis and lovely people they are too

Good point very informative"

So, in fact, there are only 480,000 Pakistanis living in the UK. The rest being British like.

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By *uton_coupleCouple
over a year ago

luton

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jesus christ ..............9.4% of the general population.

well that just goes to show you cant believe every statistic you pull up on the net lolololol

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

"not wishing to start a row on here but

why the hell should we?

Enlightened self interest. The UK pillaged the Empire for many years leaving a lot of countries in a mess both financially and politically.

If the West doen't help Pakistan it will, as someone has suggested above, seek help from countries or tribes we'd rather couldn't exert influence on the goovernment of a country with nuclear weapons.

when you say the UK pillaged the empire , we should put that into perspective

who decided to embark on such a quest

the answer is the landed gentry , lords , royalty etc like elizabeth the 1st

they were the ones that set up the sugar plantations , slave trades etc

they were the land grabbers

let THEM pay for there mistakes , not the decendants of the jack tars that were shangheided , and forced to do there duty

just because someone put a shilling in the bottom of there pint of beer FFS

Many countries were pillaged but also taken out of the "dark ages" and shown thier national wealth and how to manage it so that now they are better for it.

its one thing to be asked for help.quite another,to go in,whipe out half the population.steal most of there national wealth.then tell them they are better of.is it possible they were quite happy as they were.dont kid yourself we were doing anybody any favours.the only people we were thinking of was us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Of the estimated 1.2 million Pakistanis that live in the UK, roughly 720,000 were born in the UK.

Luton has a comparatively lower Pakistan population than many other parts of the UK with around 17,500 or 9.4% of the general population.

Bradford has around 75,000 Pakistanis or 15.3% of the general population and Oldham has 13.5%, Blackburn 11.9%.....

The house next door to me has 100% occupancy by Pakistanis and lovely people they are too

Good point very informative"

Aren't most houses in the UK occupied 100% by people of the same race?

OK, there'll be a few mixed marriages and a few houses in multiple occupancy (or whatever they call that now) but by and large I wouldn't expect much other han 100% same race.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

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"Of the estimated 1.2 million Pakistanis that live in the UK, roughly 720,000 were born in the UK.

Luton has a comparatively lower Pakistan population than many other parts of the UK with around 17,500 or 9.4% of the general population.

Bradford has around 75,000 Pakistanis or 15.3% of the general population and Oldham has 13.5%, Blackburn 11.9%.....

The house next door to me has 100% occupancy by Pakistanis and lovely people they are too

Good point very informative

So, in fact, there are only 480,000 Pakistanis living in the UK. The rest being British like."

Yes Wishy....as British as you my friend

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over a year ago

"Not saying it was right not saying it was wrong just saying that few countries are still suffering from the "land grab" and most are now reaping the advantages of being shown the ways of commerce, industrialisation and a structured society

Now, now. We didn't steal most of their national wealth - we swapped it for bibles

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

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jesus christ ..............9.4% of the general population.

well that just goes to show you cant believe every statistic you pull up on the net lolololol "

That is according to the last Census

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over a year ago

"Of the estimated 1.2 million Pakistanis that live in the UK, roughly 720,000 were born in the UK.

Luton has a comparatively lower Pakistan population than many other parts of the UK with around 17,500 or 9.4% of the general population.

Bradford has around 75,000 Pakistanis or 15.3% of the general population and Oldham has 13.5%, Blackburn 11.9%.....

The house next door to me has 100% occupancy by Pakistanis and lovely people they are too

Good point very informative

So, in fact, there are only 480,000 Pakistanis living in the UK. The rest being British like.

Yes Wishy....as British as you my friend"

Can someone pop along to Luton and tell them then.

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over a year ago

"Personally, I am of the belief, if you feel like donating irrespective of the location/demographics, then donate!

We all have only one chance on this Earth, lets try and enjoy and ensure that as Human beings we are granted that right!

I understand peoples frustrations/anger!

I'd never pass any Human/Animal that was in distress.

Paddy xx "

well said that man!! x

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over a year ago

oh and the taxi statement your prices are set by your local authority and a taxi hire firm can be shut down if they fiddle with the meter!

nice to see alf garnet is alive and well though! x

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

Now, now. We didn't steal most of their national wealth - we swapped it for bibles

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over a year ago

"oh and the taxi statement your prices are set by your local authority and a taxi hire firm can be shut down if they fiddle with the meter!

nice to see alf garnet is alive and well though! x

Hackney Carriages rates yes but not private hire car rates.

Have never experienced a Taxi mafia even though I spent years driving hackney carriages but I can believe it could happen in some areas in the same way the old Ice creams vans had a similar problem

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"oh and the taxi statement your prices are set by your local authority and a taxi hire firm can be shut down if they fiddle with the meter!

nice to see alf garnet is alive and well though! x

Hackney Carriages rates yes but not private hire car rates.

Have never experienced a Taxi mafia even though I spent years driving hackney carriages but I can believe it could happen in some areas in the same way the old Ice creams vans had a similar problem"

Private hire rates are set by the company you work for. they come down on you like a ton of bricks if you overcharge..so same rules.

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By *andKCouple
over a year ago

Norfolk

"oh and the taxi statement your prices are set by your local authority and a taxi hire firm can be shut down if they fiddle with the meter!

nice to see alf garnet is alive and well though! x

Hackney Carriages rates yes but not private hire car rates.

Have never experienced a Taxi mafia even though I spent years driving hackney carriages but I can believe it could happen in some areas in the same way the old Ice creams vans had a similar problem"

Jed, in some places (Basildon for examle) the local council set the tarrif's for 'private' hire too even insist on age of vehicle and much stiffer examination than the MOT each year (I drove there for years and my brother still does) and it must be a good 20 years or so ago that they insisted on meters in Private hire vehcles too. - wow off thread again sorry

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over a year ago

".........

Have never experienced a Taxi mafia even though I spent years driving hackney carriages but I can believe it could happen in some areas in the same way the old Ice creams vans had a similar problem"

Glasgow has current experience of, and trouble from, both.

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over a year ago

the metres are set by local councils and they meant to be tamper proof its the same whether it private hire or hackney i was a taxi driver for more years than i care to think of!

if you using an unregistered one that not licensed by local authority etc then of course it will be higher as the sole purpose of it is to rip you off!! same applies to unlicensed x

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over a year ago

What amazes me totally is the offers of aid that we receive from other counties when we have difficulties

Its amazing xx

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By *andKCouple
over a year ago

Norfolk

"What amazes me totally is the offers of aid that we receive from other counties when we have difficulties

Its amazing xx

I thought you got an offer of aid last weekend

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

as you sit in your warm and dry house think about the person sittin in pakistan with nothing but the clothes they have on watching people die and suffer around them whilst gettin infested with flies and whatever else from the rotting corpses around them whilst their children scream in pain and hunger.

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over a year ago

"What amazes me totally is the offers of aid that we receive from other counties when we have difficulties

Its amazing xx

You mean like the money, food and munitions we got from the Yanks during WWII?

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

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"What amazes me totally is the offers of aid that we receive from other counties when we have difficulties

Its amazing xx

Do we ever have national disasters on such a scale though?

A couple of hundred people forced to leave their houses in the Glos floods is hardly a comparison.

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over a year ago

the biggest national disaster the uk has had was the last election......

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over a year ago

"What amazes me totally is the offers of aid that we receive from other counties when we have difficulties

Its amazing xx

You mean like the money, food and munitions we got from the Yanks during WWII?"

the munitions were under lend lease. we finished paying the yanks back 4 years ago

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over a year ago

"What amazes me totally is the offers of aid that we receive from other counties when we have difficulties

Its amazing xx

You mean like the money, food and munitions we got from the Yanks during WWII?

the munitions were under lend lease. we finished paying the yanks back 4 years ago"

They still sent it though with no guarantee they'd get anything back.

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over a year ago

"the biggest national disaster the uk has had was the last election......

Yep agreed it should have been a sure thing not a coalition And that's who ever won by the way xx

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over a year ago

"What amazes me totally is the offers of aid that we receive from other counties when we have difficulties

Its amazing xx

You mean like the money, food and munitions we got from the Yanks during WWII?

the munitions were under lend lease. we finished paying the yanks back 4 years ago"

a telly from brighthouse would have been quicker paid back!! x

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over a year ago

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Actually the Post war Lend Lease was secured by land agreements, it was a 50 year loan at 2% interest with a 5 year deferral allowance written into the agreement.

Britain would have forfeited various lands if the loan was not repaid by 2006.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

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Money well spent if it goes on to save British troops lives...."

Hi Jane, before I start I would like to say I am usually in agreement with you, however here I think you are making a classic mistake that we in the west have made continually since the 2nd WW.

Basically the argument you are supporting goes like this.

My enemy’s enemy, is my friend.

If I aid my enemies’ civilian population they will overthrow my enemy.

The sad fact is that the USA and Briton armed, trained and fed the Viet Min during WW2, 10 years later those same weapons were being used against them by the Viet Cong (the new CIA name for the Viet Min [after all we couldn’t admit that we had armed and trained the people now killing us]). Then in the 80’s we fed, armed trained the Mujahidin, now we are the fighting Taliban. Guess who the Taliban were when they were fighting the USSR.

I hate to say it as every time I see human suffering I want to help, but the sad fact is these people are our enemies and only a fool helps their enemy.

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"the metres are set by local councils and they meant to be tamper proof its the same whether it private hire or hackney i was a taxi driver for more years than i care to think of!

if you using an unregistered one that not licensed by local authority etc then of course it will be higher as the sole purpose of it is to rip you off!! same applies to unlicensed x"

It's worth pointing out that the Private hire taxi trade in both Edinburgh and Glasgow is, or at least was until VERY recently, exclusively controlled by gangland drug lords.

WHITE gangland drug lords.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"the biggest national disaster the uk has had was the last election......

Yep agreed it should have been a sure thing not a coalition And that's who ever won by the way xx"

It was the biggest under performance in recent political history, taking into account the economy and the Iraq War the Tories should have won by a landslide.....

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over a year ago

"the metres are set by local councils and they meant to be tamper proof its the same whether it private hire or hackney i was a taxi driver for more years than i care to think of!

if you using an unregistered one that not licensed by local authority etc then of course it will be higher as the sole purpose of it is to rip you off!! same applies to unlicensed x

It's worth pointing out that the Private hire taxi trade in both Edinburgh and Glasgow is, or at least was until VERY recently, exclusively controlled by gangland drug lords.

WHITE gangland drug lords.

the colour of them is fuck all to do with the arguement or point??

all firms need to be licensed by local authority where the money comes from and who fronts it is a whole different matter hence why the new legislation is being brung in. the money laundering etc that went through taxi firms was astronomical but they still need to apply to l/a to get license to operate x

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

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Money well spent if it goes on to save British troops lives....

Hi Jane, before I start I would like to say I am usually in agreement with you, however here I think you are making a classic mistake that we in the west have made continually since the 2nd WW.

Basically the argument you are supporting goes like this.

My enemy’s enemy, is my friend.

If I aid my enemies’ civilian population they will overthrow my enemy.

I hate to say it as every time I see human suffering I want to help, but the sad fact is these people are our enemies and only a fool helps their enemy.

With 1.2 miilion Pakistanis (and British born Pakistanis) living in the UK how could we not help?, do we further alienate a large part of our own population?

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over a year ago

"oh and the taxi statement your prices are set by your local authority and a taxi hire firm can be shut down if they fiddle with the meter!

nice to see alf garnet is alive and well though! x

I didn't say they set higher taxi rates than anyone else - there isn't anyone else there to compete with them. There are a few firms that ooerate from Dunstable but the Luton taxi business is pretty much sewn up by the Black & Whites (that's a firm of taxis) who have hundreds of cars on the road, some company owned, most privately owned. If a competitor arrives in town they aren't in business for long because if it's an asian businessman encroaching he is politely 'educated' as to the error of his ways, if it's a non-asian encroaching his cars are burned out.

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

So.......

"Should we, and if so how much?"

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over a year ago

"Actually the Post war Lend Lease was secured by land agreements, it was a 50 year loan at 2% interest with a 5 year deferral allowance written into the agreement.

Britain would have forfeited various lands if the loan was not repaid by 2006."

All of which is predicated on Britain and the Allies winning the war. Had we not the US would still be whistling for their 'various lands'.

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over a year ago

"oh and the taxi statement your prices are set by your local authority and a taxi hire firm can be shut down if they fiddle with the meter!

nice to see alf garnet is alive and well though! x

and it never happened before when whites controlled everything??? the ice cream wars in glasgow??? the ira/uvf/uda wars over businesses?? corruption is everywhere regardless of colour/race. even the buses here had it the little companies versus stagecoach etc etc x

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over a year ago

"the biggest national disaster the uk has had was the last election......

Yep agreed it should have been a sure thing not a coalition And that's who ever won by the way xx

It was the biggest under performance in recent political history, taking into account the economy and the Iraq War the Tories should have won by a landslide....."

Which rather proves it was the economy which lost the election for Labour and not Iraq. Iraq was around in 2005 but not enough people cared about troop deaths etc to vote Labour out.

Come 2010 and their pockets are hurting a bit ................. different story.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The ice cream wars in Luton involved the Italians. My ex/w is Italian and her father had three vans burned out. I used to patrol the Luton Carnival for a consortium of legitimate Italian ice cream vendors and if I spotted one of the rogue Italians I had the police move them on. They wanted the custom but refused to pay the rates for a legitimate pitch.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

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over a year ago

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"Actually the Post war Lend Lease was secured by land agreements, it was a 50 year loan at 2% interest with a 5 year deferral allowance written into the agreement.

Britain would have forfeited various lands if the loan was not repaid by 2006.

All of which is predicated on Britain and the Allies winning the war. Had we not the US would still be whistling for their 'various lands'."

No....this waa not the lend lease that ended on 31st December 1945, this was the lend lease that was negotiated post war and started on January 1st 1951.

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"the metres are set by local councils and they meant to be tamper proof its the same whether it private hire or hackney i was a taxi driver for more years than i care to think of!

if you using an unregistered one that not licensed by local authority etc then of course it will be higher as the sole purpose of it is to rip you off!! same applies to unlicensed x

It's worth pointing out that the Private hire taxi trade in both Edinburgh and Glasgow is, or at least was until VERY recently, exclusively controlled by gangland drug lords.

WHITE gangland drug lords.

the colour of them is fuck all to do with the arguement or point??

Apologies for any lack of clarity.

The point i was making was that the private hire taxi trade attracts a certain type of person from the "business community" as it's owners, i.e gangland thugs and drug lords seeking to launder money. I was suggesting that a previous posters venom for Pakistanis in Luton be tempered by the fact that crime is colour blind - there's bad people of every race, creed, religion, ethnic background, including white people.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

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The second lend lease agreement was known as the Anglo-American Loan of 1946.

It had payments deferred until 1951 then began a 50 year term that later was the subject of a several one year deferments by various UK governments over the years.

It was finally paid in full on 29 December 2006.

The original lend lease was written off in 1945 without being fully repaid to the tune of $650m as it was agreed that it would bankrupt the UK at the time and the US terminated the agreement.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"I think you will find that the people in Luton are British and most were born here, some own corner shops too.

I think I'll find that having lived most of my 45 years there I'm a little more qualified to reflect on life in Luton."

You seem to have lost a few years of your 45 on your profile

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"I think you will find that the people in Luton are British and most were born here, some own corner shops too.

I think I'll find that having lived most of my 45 years there I'm a little more qualified to reflect on life in Luton.

You seem to have lost a few years of your 45 on your profile

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oi wishy ya was 45 on sunday!!!

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over a year ago

"I think you will find that the people in Luton are British and most were born here, some own corner shops too.

I think I'll find that having lived most of my 45 years there I'm a little more qualified to reflect on life in Luton.

You seem to have lost a few years of your 45 on your profile

Yup. I've stopped counting officially. If women can fib about their age, so can I. I tell the truth to anyone who asks me anyway so I'm not deceiving anyone. I'm .... 40... ish.. when I'm 50... ish... I'll tell you lol

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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago

Up North :-)

Are we on an ASDA rollback lmao

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"I think you will find that the people in Luton are British and most were born here, some own corner shops too.

I think I'll find that having lived most of my 45 years there I'm a little more qualified to reflect on life in Luton.

You seem to have lost a few years of your 45 on your profile

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now u have a lot to answer for wishy!!!

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over a year ago

O o O oo

Ooooooooooo I might do that, stop counting

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Ooooooooooo I might do that, stop counting

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im 29 again!!! wooooooohooooooooooo

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over a year ago

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By *entscotscplCouple
over a year ago

falkirk ish

just realised this thread is here

this country is on its knees we as a country are almost bankrupt !!

due to greedy bankers

why should we as a country GB the UK

help any other country out ??

should charity not begin at home ??

when there were floods in england

(and we are scottish) no disrespect intended for our cousins down south

how many other countries tried to help our british people out ?????????????

we say charity begins at home look after our own

at least till this country is back on its feet

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over a year ago

"I think you will find that the people in Luton are British and most were born here, some own corner shops too.

I think I'll find that having lived most of my 45 years there I'm a little more qualified to reflect on life in Luton.

You seem to have lost a few years of your 45 on your profile

now u have a lot to answer for wishy!!!

Huh? Wot I dun now? Sheesh, I seem to be getting in all sorts of trub tonight. I'm often to Tibet where I plan to live out my life as a Yak.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"With 1.2 miilion Pakistanis (and British born Pakistanis) living in the UK how could we not help?, do we further alienate a large part of our own population?"

Firstly let me say I am 1st Gen Irish extraction (I even went to an Irish public school), I am British 100% I have no allegiance to Ireland and never will have, and there is the difference! You say British born Pakistanis and Pakistanis.

You seem to either ignore or not be aware of the way Pakistan was formed (I do not believe this by the way). But for those who do not know I will remind you that Pakistan was formed because the Muslim (Arab extraction) minority who had ruled the Hindu majority since 1500s till the formation of the Raj firstly demanded that they should be given power as the Indian Muslim Conference, and when that was not given to them forced partition in 1946/7.

These very same Muslims are now demanding that wherever they can gain a majority that we should have to live by their laws, and they are open in proclaiming that it is their intent to have the Muslim flag fly over Downing St and make the UK part of a kalifed!

Personally my view is simple as they give allegiance to a foreign power that is not part of the EU (the EU I support wholeheartedly), pack them up along with their honour killings, inter family marriages and the rest of their medieval mindsets and dump them back in Pakistan!

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over a year ago

I'll be leaving this thread.

Purely because by sheer nature of the topic.

I think it's gone a tad sidetracked.

Paddy

"We Scots did a fair amount of pillaging on our own behalf with need of encouragement from Lords, Ladies, landed gentry or assorted monarchs.

It's generally believed Scots fought on both sides of every major conflict from 1066 till about 1900 (maybe even a wee bit later)."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ooooooooooo I might do that, stop counting

Siren wasn't aware I'd changed our profile ages but I've just read out to her what I've put on there and she agrees with me wholeheartedly. Her actual words were, "You told them I am 39! I'm 37!!!"

She's giggling like a girl now. Best put 23 instead huh?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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OMG yeah, fancy putting her at 39 !!! No BJ's for you for a week I reckon.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

"OMG yeah, fancy putting her at 39 !!! No BJ's for you for a week I reckon.

Good job I got my quota in this morning then eh?

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over a year ago

"I think you will find that the people in Luton are British and most were born here, some own corner shops too.

I think I'll find that having lived most of my 45 years there I'm a little more qualified to reflect on life in Luton.

You seem to have lost a few years of your 45 on your profile

lol busted

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over a year ago

"I think you will find that the people in Luton are British and most were born here, some own corner shops too.

I think I'll find that having lived most of my 45 years there I'm a little more qualified to reflect on life in Luton.

You seem to have lost a few years of your 45 on your profile

lol busted

Yup. Can't find 'em anywhere. I reckon someone nicked 'em at Chams on Sunday.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"I think you will find that the people in Luton are British and most were born here, some own corner shops too.

I think I'll find that having lived most of my 45 years there I'm a little more qualified to reflect on life in Luton.

You seem to have lost a few years of your 45 on your profile

lol busted

Yup. Can't find 'em anywhere. I reckon someone nicked 'em at Chams on Sunday.

"
they were in the nuts

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"With 1.2 miilion Pakistanis (and British born Pakistanis) living in the UK how could we not help?, do we further alienate a large part of our own population?

What is the Muslim flag? Do you truly believe that all Muslims living in the UK believe in Shiria law?, and lastly how do you 'pack up' these people and return them to Pakistan when the majority were born in Britain and are therfore as British as you?

Can you imagine the horror if Britain had 'packed up' and returned all the Irish immigrants when the IRA were bombing the British mainland?

You are no more British than the majority of British born Pakistanis I am afraid, they have exactly the same rights as you have. They were born here so they are British....

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over a year ago

"They were born here so they are British...."

...and it's a damn pity that that's the only qualifying criteria.

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over a year ago

"They were born here so they are British....

...and it's a damn pity that that's the only qualifying criteria."

cricket test anyone?

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over a year ago

"You seem to have lost a few years of your 45 on your profile

lol busted

Yup. Can't find 'em anywhere. I reckon someone nicked 'em at Chams on Sunday.

they were in the nuts

Nah, not there. I wouldn't go anywhere near a bowl of nuts on a table in a swinging club. You dunno where they've been do ya!

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"They were born here so they are British....

...and it's a damn pity that that's the only qualifying criteria."

Well unless you have a way of changing English Law then that's it I am afraid, why should the son of Irish immigrants be seen as more British than the son of Pakistan immigrants?

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

"They were born here so they are British....

...and it's a damn pity that that's the only qualifying criteria."

It is the same qualifying criteria for you, me and them!

They might say the same about us too!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

right anyone who is not 100% british pack up and fuck off back to where you came from!!

shall we make it from 1922 onwards?? that should clear out a good lot of us and leave maybe about 1/8th of the population!

god knows where gettin me im a mix of irish,scottish,pikey and spanish i think!! x

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over a year ago

"right anyone who is not 100% british pack up and fuck off back to where you came from!!

shall we make it from 1922 onwards?? that should clear out a good lot of us and leave maybe about 1/8th of the population!

god knows where gettin me im a mix of irish,scottish,pikey and spanish i think!! x"
oh and i think there polish in there too!!

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By *entscotscplCouple
over a year ago

falkirk ish

wowwwwwwwwww recon we just walked into a debate there that hads fook all to do with this site !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

is this not an adfult site ??

is this not a swing site ??

then why should we all be interacting on stuff that has bugger all to do with swinging ??

can we not turn things around and get this site back to what is it meant to be for ???????????????

an adult swing site nfor adult swingers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"wowwwwwwwwww recon we just walked into a debate there that hads fook all to do with this site !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

is this not an adfult site ??

is this not a swing site ??

then why should we all be interacting on stuff that has bugger all to do with swinging ??

can we not turn things around and get this site back to what is it meant to be for ???????????????

an adult swing site nfor adult swingers "

*runs for cover*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is another forum dedicated to purely swinging chat. This is the lounge, where we chat about all sorts of stuff. You don't go on a meet and immediately start talking about sex, do you?

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over a year ago

"There is another forum dedicated to purely swinging chat. This is the lounge, where we chat about all sorts of stuff. You don't go on a meet and immediately start talking about sex, do you?"

Dont ya?? xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There is another forum dedicated to purely swinging chat. This is the lounge, where we chat about all sorts of stuff. You don't go on a meet and immediately start talking about sex, do you?"

i actually nodded in agreement with you there..... i think i need to lie down in a darkened room!!! x

dont like it dont read it dont post

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

"There is another forum dedicated to purely swinging chat. This is the lounge, where we chat about all sorts of stuff. You don't go on a meet and immediately start talking about sex, do you?"

Some do, some don't, some will, some won't!

Everyone is different and will always have differing views on this and any other subject in the forums.

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over a year ago

"right anyone who is not 100% british pack up and fuck off back to where you came from!!

shall we make it from 1922 onwards?? that should clear out a good lot of us and leave maybe about 1/8th of the population!

god knows where gettin me im a mix of irish,scottish,pikey and spanish i think!! x"

I'm all for accepting people not indiginous to these islands as British so long as they embrace our way of life. (the BNP made a big thing about an asian male member, and as much as I despise the BNP I couldn't help thinking that this guy had embraced his new found Britishness but had got it all confused somehow)

What I will never accept is an organisation of foreigners coming here and trying to establish a level of society that reflects their own culture with the stated aim that they intend to one day take control and force everyone to adapt to their culture. I'll fight that to my dying breath if I have to because I will never allow my children to inherit a Britain that isn't British.

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over a year ago

"right anyone who is not 100% british pack up and fuck off back to where you came from!!

shall we make it from 1922 onwards?? that should clear out a good lot of us and leave maybe about 1/8th of the population!

god knows where gettin me im a mix of irish,scottish,pikey and spanish i think!! x

Gotta agree with that xx

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By *entscotscplCouple
over a year ago

falkirk ish

ok look at this in another light

who realy cares what happens out side our lovely shores ?

we sure dont care as its nothing to do with us

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over a year ago

"There is another forum dedicated to purely swinging chat. This is the lounge, where we chat about all sorts of stuff. You don't go on a meet and immediately start talking about sex, do you?

i actually nodded in agreement with you there..... i think i need to lie down in a darkened room!!! x

Shove up, I did too...I've come over all fai...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There is another forum dedicated to purely swinging chat. This is the lounge, where we chat about all sorts of stuff. You don't go on a meet and immediately start talking about sex, do you?

i actually nodded in agreement with you there..... i think i need to lie down in a darkened room!!! x

Shove up, I did too...I've come over all fai...

Hmmm... this could be the beginning of something wonderful!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dear Lord,

Please help those who suffer from war or poverty or the threat of the land.

Amen.

Thats my bit done. Charity begins at home & I need new heels for the weekend

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"What is the Muslim flag? Do you truly believe that all Muslims living in the UK believe in Shiria law?, and lastly how do you 'pack up' these people and return them to Pakistan when the majority were born in Britain and are therfore as British as you?

Can you imagine the horror if Britain had 'packed up' and returned all the Irish immigrants when the IRA were bombing the British mainland?

You are no more British than the majority of British born Pakistanis I am afraid, they have exactly the same rights as you have. They were born here so they are British...."

The Muslim flag is a Crescent moon on a background, as in the Red Crescent (through which all Red Cross aid must be sent to most Muslim countries as Christian Aid is not allowed!) or the White Crescent (with a star) on a green background for Pakistan. As for do UK Pakistanis believe in sharia law, I think on balance yes most do, and I think you would do better drawing attention to the insidious imposition of sharia on the majority of us in our everyday life in order to appease an invasion of foreigners who have no intention of integrating but are looking to dominate and depose the rest of us rather than defending them. (Oh! are you using me to point out the uncomfortable truths that make one [me] unpopular.) LoL

Your question about how we could pack up 1.2m Pakistanis is quite good, but as Idée Amine was able to manage it in Uganda I am sure that it would not be beyond us.

Your comments about sending Irish back to Ireland would be a justifiable argument if the Irish living in England had been openly supporting the IRA, but they were not (the main IRA support came from the USA).

As for you comment about me having no more right to be here than British Pakistanis, I would point out that I am ex forces, I am loyal and always have been loyal, I have yet to hear a British Pakistani Muslim state that they are loyal to this country first! In fact I keep hearing them declare that they are Pakistani and Muslims, and I keep hearing how they marry Pakistanis and send their wealth (that is British wealth) to Pakistan. I will go even further and say that when I was in, I served with Blacks, Whites, Browns, Yellows, Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Jews, Sheiks, Hindus and a Rasta, but not a single Muslim! Now I accept that I am out nearly 28 years and that things change, but all I can see is a growth in Muslim fundamentalism here and everywhere else round the would, and a load of politically correct liberals who are willing to give away the freedoms that our parents, grandparents going back hundreds of years fought and died for.

Now I am being asked to dig in my pocket and give them money for food while they plan too destroy my way of life, and I am told that I should give for my own good!

What a crock!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any country that has nucular ambitions , while its people live in poverty needs to get its own house in order first

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"Any country that has nucular ambitions , while its people live in poverty needs to get its own house in order first "

Britain? Sorted.

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over a year ago

who/what- Country is sorted?

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over a year ago

It sure is a day of firsts. I am actually in agreement with willwill on his last post above. I've no intention if giving money to those who would seek to force me to live a way of life that is alien to me.

But what defines being British?

My ex/w is Italian, yet she was born here. So she's British yes?

Not according to her. She holds an Italian passport because her parents are Italians who arrived here after the war seeking a new life. She was raised as an Italian, speaks Italian fluently and knows Italian culture and history learned from growing up in an Italian household. But her first language is English.

In the world cup recently she had the Italian flag outside her house alongside her boyfriend's English one.

She will draw a pension from Italy when she retires but has never paid into the Italian financial system.

She's never lived in Italy and has been there no more than a dozen times in her life.

So is she British or Italian?

p.s. She does not hold a British passport, and although she qualifies to do so, she chooses not to.

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By *uton_coupleCouple
over a year ago

luton

"right anyone who is not 100% british pack up and fuck off back to where you came from!!

shall we make it from 1922 onwards?? that should clear out a good lot of us and leave maybe about 1/8th of the population!

god knows where gettin me im a mix of irish,scottish,pikey and spanish i think!! x

can you tell me what this british britain that you want your children to inherit is like ?

is it the kind of one you see on the heartbeat programe set in the 70s with the copper on his motorbike , and greengrass in his old lorry parked outside the post office ?

is it the multicultural britain we were promised , with all colours and creeds dancing in the streets , intermingling and exchanging there cultural heritage ?

or perhaps it might be the britain we actually have , where groups of people hold veiws that are set in stone , those veiws that are so sacred to them they actually talk about water on stone , the constant drip drip drip that will wear that stone away

they staedfastly refuse to intergrate in anyway whatsoever including learning to speak english , apart from intergrating into councils , and the government your so fond of , they will grind and grind and grind , and untill the laws and the running of the whole country is in there hands they will not rest

furthermore it is these groups that have relativly recently arrived on our shores , that actively participate in "ethnic cleansing"

i think it will probably be the latter that your children inherit

its so funny on these threads when people talk about the UK being made up of a huge melting pot

over thousands of years there has been a constant enrichment that makes us what we are today

grandad was from russia , aunty was from county cork , etc etc etc , and they all melted into the UK melting pot

mayby thats why ive got a roman nose , or dads got frizzy hair

but theres one group that has come along and guess what

THEY AINT GONNA MELT

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over a year ago

Nope, none of the above.

I'm a simple man, me. I just want to be able to go for a pint whenever I want.

Sharia Law would put paid to that.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

What makes you British? I have seen this question many times in many forms and there can only be one answer.

You are British when without any hesitation or conditions, TOTALLY LOYAL to this country.

I for one dont give a toss about the colour of your skin, where you were born or who or what you pray to, to be British you need to be loyal to this country, as for your ex wife wishy (nice to know that we do agree on some things;-)), she is Italian and its fine for her to be here, just like the Poles ect. I'm all for one Europe (a real Federalist here) but even if I live to see the birth of the USE (I doubt it) I will always be British first and foremost!

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over a year ago

" You can rest peacefully in the knowledge that a person born to Pakistani parents in Luton is as British as you and I though....."

We bet a good proportion of them would refute that statement though.

A cat can be born in a stable but it doesn't make it a horse!

XXXX

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over a year ago

100% British when you are totally loyal to Britain, ok what does that make a large % of Scottish people.

People have commented that some British people support the country of thier heritage ie Pakistan when it comes to sport. I guess it is because they recognise thier roots. I don't hear anyone complaining about those of Jamaican heritage born in this country having a fondness for Jamaica and supporting them in sporting activities !

So back to those Scottish people, you know the large % that will support Germany against England in a football match, or anyone that can beat us for that matter, how much British Loyalty is that.

Sorry all you Scottish people I love you all and think it's quite funny that so many do love to see England lose but just want to see how people think when they say you can't be British and support another country in sport.

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

"100% British when you are totally loyal to Britain, ok what does that make a large % of Scottish people.

So back to those Scottish people, you know the large % that will support Germany against England in a football match, or anyone that can beat us for that matter, how much British Loyalty is that.

Scottish here and proud to be Scottish too!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A cat can be born in a stable but it doesn't make it a horse!

XXXX"

I was waiting for this quote, or a variation of it. Often sprouted by BNP supporters!

It's nice to feel the warmth on these boards!

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over a year ago

"100% British when you are totally loyal to Britain, ok what does that make a large % of Scottish people.

So back to those Scottish people, you know the large % that will support Germany against England in a football match, or anyone that can beat us for that matter, how much British Loyalty is that.

Now you're just trying to confuse some of them!

As a nation our Achile's Heel is our compassion and like the widow with her mite give when we are short ourselves.

I support children charities especially those surrounding neo-natal deaths. I seldom give to anything else.

At a time when we are being told to tighten our belts, where there is uncertainty over jobs, shortages and cut backs etc, for the Government to magically find millions to hand over to aid people that don't like us, and make no mistake they don't, it's hard to swallow.

As a human being I feel sad when I watch the news that I don't feel overly moved by their plight but it's hard to feel sympathy for people who don't like you, don't respect you or your way of life but want your help when it suits!

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over a year ago

It's reassuring to see so many people agreeing on the issue of Pakistan and not face accusations of racism. We all seem to be feeling that underlying current of mistrust towards certain countries and the potential damage that could be done to our own culture should we assist a Muslim state on humanitarian grounds. I'm not saying that that's what will happen, but that it is a potential risk that should be considered before we give aid. I'm sure that's what our leaders are doing and why the £270m that Pakistan said it needed hasn't been quick in forthcoming. They seemed ot come up with that figure pretty sharpish without any sort of breakdown or analysis of where it's needed or why that amount.

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

" You can rest peacefully in the knowledge that a person born to Pakistani parents in Luton is as British as you and I though.....

We bet a good proportion of them would refute that statement though.

A cat can be born in a stable but it doesn't make it a horse!

XXXX"

that would make,the majority of people,in this country cats.

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

"It's reassuring to see so many people agreeing on the issue of Pakistan and not face accusations of racism. We all seem to be feeling that underlying current of mistrust towards certain countries and the potential damage that could be done to our own culture should we assist a Muslim state on humanitarian grounds. I'm not saying that that's what will happen, but that it is a potential risk that should be considered before we give aid. I'm sure that's what our leaders are doing and why the £270m that Pakistan said it needed hasn't been quick in forthcoming. They seemed ot come up with that figure pretty sharpish without any sort of breakdown or analysis of where it's needed or why that amount."

i know what your saying wishy.they dont really need any aid.theyve probably not even had any floods.its all a scam.

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over a year ago

".......

this country is on its knees we as a country are almost bankrupt !!

..................."

That's simply not the case. It's a myth being peddled by Cameron, Osborne and their Fib Dem chums to support their case for savage cuts in everyone's standard of living.

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over a year ago

I find it very interesting to see how much fellow muslim countries are giving in aid, if anything at all. The mega rich Arab oil states have given very little, apart from Saudi Arabia who has donated $40 million or so - which is not a lot considering how wealthy they are. Far less than the USA who many muslims in Pakistan despise.

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over a year ago

What is British? when asked what nationality I am I have never answered British. I consider myself to be English.In much the same way I would never try to take away how the Scottish ,Welsh and Irish see themselves.time and again it has been said on this thread that if you're born in Britain you're British,that doesn't necessarily mean that someone considers themselves British. as someone who grew up in Brixton and has lived in South London for most of my life,it's my opinion(and that's all it is)that multiculturalism has thrown up more problems than it has solved and has created a ghetto mentality in a lot of cities.I'm all for culturally diverse communities celebrating their culture and way of life but that that doesn't seem to be a two way street anymore.our "Britishness",whatever that is, seems to be being eroded from the inside

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By *he BananamanMan
over a year ago

WORCESTERSHIRE

pakistan gets enough money in aid to have a nuclear programme and there is also such a big divide in the country where the rich live in tremendous luxury yet the poor live in slums!,so let the rich spread a little happiness and share some of the vast riches that they have got!, i am sure they are being punished now for not looking after fellow pakistanis and allah will reward them with a boat load of virgins when they die.

my spare money wil go to the british legion or help for heroes.

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over a year ago

"What is British? when asked what nationality I am I have never answered British. I consider myself to be English.In much the same way I would never try to take away how the Scottish ,Welsh and Irish see themselves.time and again it has been said on this thread that if you're born in Britain you're British,that doesn't necessarily mean that someone considers themselves British. as someone who grew up in Brixton and has lived in South London for most of my life,it's my opinion(and that's all it is)that multiculturalism has thrown up more problems than it has solved and has created a ghetto mentality in a lot of cities.I'm all for culturally diverse communities celebrating their culture and way of life but that that doesn't seem to be a two way street anymore.our "Britishness",whatever that is, seems to be being eroded from the inside"

Its no different from any other country. Back in Canada there are thousands of English emigrants who still think of them self as English and stick to their ways. People migrate, they always have. Canada and the US are mainly people from Europe who migrated there. People will always move and states change with them.

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over a year ago

".......

this country is on its knees we as a country are almost bankrupt !!

...................

That's simply not the case. It's a myth being peddled by Cameron, Osborne and their Fib Dem chums to support their case for savage cuts in everyone's standard of living."

You wanna wake up and smell the roses pal. You've been burying your head in the sand dunes of Labour's pathetic attempt to convince us that everything was ok and we weren't in trouble financially. Even Blair has said that the coalotion policies being implemented now is how he would have dealt with the deficit.

It makes my blood boil how Labour supporters are in denial about what their party has done to this country when even the Millibands cannot agree with each other on where Labour went wrong and how it should reform itself.

How about some good old fashioned honesty from Labour supporters, who have been very quick in citing Thatcher, Major, William Pitt the fookin Younger for all our problems. How about shouldering some of the responsibility too, eh? Come on, be a good egg, admit it.

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over a year ago

".......

this country is on its knees we as a country are almost bankrupt !!

...................

That's simply not the case. It's a myth being peddled by Cameron, Osborne and their Fib Dem chums to support their case for savage cuts in everyone's standard of living.

You've been brainwashed by Tory lies. Don't feel bad - you're not alone. Clegg and his band fell for it too (though for how much longer is anyone's guess).

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over a year ago

".......

this country is on its knees we as a country are almost bankrupt !!

...................

That's simply not the case. It's a myth being peddled by Cameron, Osborne and their Fib Dem chums to support their case for savage cuts in everyone's standard of living.

You've been brainwashed by Tory lies. Don't feel bad - you're not alone. Clegg and his band fell for it too (though for how much longer is anyone's guess)."

Q.E.D.

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over a year ago

"What is British? when asked what nationality I am I have never answered British. .............."

Yet British is the correct answer.

Lose your passport overseas and ask for the address of the English Embassy and you won't get very far.

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over a year ago

"What is British? when asked what nationality I am I have never answered British. ..............

Yet British is the correct answer.

Lose your passport overseas and ask for the address of the English Embassy and you won't get very far.

I think I'm intelligent enough to ask for the British embassy or consul.

the whole point of my post was that if i consider myself above all else to be English no one has the right to tell me otherwise

or at least didn't until 'English' became a dirty word in this country

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over a year ago

That's just it though, we're not just English are we. We're part of the British Commonwealth and if England ever tries to dismantle that unity we'll find ourselves pretty much isolated and alone. Our power lies in our unity. I am English first, British second, but never one without the other.

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By *mf4BxJCouple
over a year ago

edinburgh

Wow. Nice to see human compassion alive and kicking. Should I or shouldn't I be suprised to see someone tie in the cricket scandal as well? Crazy.

There but for the grace of God (or whaterver force dictates these things) go I. Take a second to consider what seperates 'us' from 'them'? Simply where and when we were born.

And whilst the floods that happen here are devestating for those involved it's surely nothing more than an inconvinience that building and contents (which we all have right?) insurance doesn't sort out eventually. Yes, it's tragic for the lives that have been lost through flooding here but it's hardly a reasonable comparision is it?

I've donated. Not mega bucks but I've donated. At times of unprecedented disaters such as this, Haiti and the tsunami etc I try to help. Sure I can't be 100% sure all my money gets to where it needs to but I donate simply becuase I beleive we're all a split second away from being one of those people affected.

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over a year ago

"That's just it though, we're not just English are we. We're part of the British Commonwealth and if England ever tries to dismantle that unity we'll find ourselves pretty much isolated and alone. Our power lies in our unity. I am English first, British second, but never one without the other."

The commonwealth is eroding though. The queen will be the last British head of state in Australia and Canada by the looks of it. There will still be bonds though between Britain because that's how other county's see this country not England or Scotland etc.

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By *uss PussWoman
over a year ago

east cheshire

The British public donated over £100 million for the Tsunami Quake Appeal and at the minute they have raised about £29 million for Pakistan.

I havent donated anything, why? I feel sorry for the individuals but not for the nation....does that make sense?

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By *mf4BxJCouple
over a year ago

edinburgh

I havent donated anything, why? I feel sorry for the individuals but not for the nation....does that make sense?"

That does make sense but bear in mind many of those individuals have no control over the acts of the nation and lack the means to infulence them.

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By *he BananamanMan
over a year ago

WORCESTERSHIRE

".......

this country is on its knees we as a country are almost bankrupt !!

...................

That's simply not the case. It's a myth being peddled by Cameron, Osborne and their Fib Dem chums to support their case for savage cuts in everyone's standard of living.

You've been brainwashed by Tory lies. Don't feel bad - you're not alone. Clegg and his band fell for it too (though for how much longer is anyone's guess)."

wakey wakey!,smell the coffee!,blair brown & co conned you too!,you were told we were doing great and you enjoyed the wealth,they went on overspend to make you believe al was rosey without them ever thinking of repayments in order to stay in office and you fell for it!.

ed balls was signing cheques left right and centre for schools hospitals etc, anything in order to tug at a heart string and to con your vote but the majority did not fall for it,now it is payback and you are bleating "it's the tory that did it!",pathetic!,stand up and be a man,labour conned you all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

".......

this country is on its knees we as a country are almost bankrupt !!

...................

That's simply not the case. It's a myth being peddled by Cameron, Osborne and their Fib Dem chums to support their case for savage cuts in everyone's standard of living.

You've been brainwashed by Tory lies. Don't feel bad - you're not alone. Clegg and his band fell for it too (though for how much longer is anyone's guess).

Rise and shine. Smell the Tory bullshit.

Time alone will prove who's right and who's wrong. The break-up of the ConDem 'coalition' will be an early indicator.

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By *ast and modifiedCouple
over a year ago

near glasgow

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they said the floods in cockermouth was the work of allah also

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I agree with Sassy ( although I had to remove her post as she quoted the post I removed )

Sometimes I am speechless at some peoples thinking.

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By *yber pimpMan
over a year ago

durham area

they said the floods in cockermouth was the work of allah also"

dont the insurance companies call it an act of god

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

thornbury mosque in Bradford gave £5000 to the cumbria flood appeal,£1000 of which was given to the family of the police officer who died.

Dominic Mughal said: “Money has been given to people outside Britain. This is the first time they have given money to people in Britain. They see this as their country and the people of Cumbria as their people.”

Mosque member Ithsham Tariq said: “The Imam spoke to us and said whenever there’s an international disaster the UK public gives generously, so this was our chance to give something back. Cumbria is a stone’s throw away from Bradford. It’s all so familiar to us.”

Canon Andy Williams said: “The president of the mosque and the Imam spoke positively about their aim of strengthening ties between the Muslim and Christian communities, saying we all live in the UK and need to support one another.”

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over a year ago

"I agree with Sassy ( although I had to remove her post as she quoted the post I removed )

Sometimes I am speechless at some peoples thinking.

What makes you imagine there was any thinking involved?

Thanks for removing the post.

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

they said the floods in cockermouth was the work of allah also

dont the insurance companies call it an act of god

They do.

Because they are bastards!

People go on about Cameron/Brown/Muslims/Theblokedownthepubsays/BNP etc etc etc when the people who cause more upset and misery than any other group in this country go unpunished - The Insurance companies.

Bastards to a man!

*reads small print*

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By *uss PussWoman
over a year ago

east cheshire

"I agree with Sassy ( although I had to remove her post as she quoted the post I removed )

Sometimes I am speechless at some peoples thinking.

You forum tease...what did Sassy say? lol

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

"I agree with Sassy ( although I had to remove her post as she quoted the post I removed )

Sometimes I am speechless at some peoples thinking.

You forum tease...what did Sassy say? lol"

Something close to Rugby's last line

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By *ollie_JCouple
over a year ago

London

I am still perplexed about the tsunami and Pakistan differences in giving

It seems that Pakistan is being blamed for the actions of a minority Muslim extremists.

Although indonesia is another hard line Muslim state whose minority Muslim extremists where also responsible for terrorist atrocities

People are in need, if you have the extra cash give.. It really is that simple, two wrongs do mot make a right

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By *hite SnakeMan
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am still perplexed about the tsunami and Pakistan differences in giving

It seems that Pakistan is being blamed for the actions of a minority Muslim extremists.

Although indonesia is another hard line Muslim state whose minority Muslim extremists where also responsible for terrorist atrocities

People are in need, if you have the extra cash give.. It really is that simple, two wrongs do mot make a right "

For me its more to do with seeing all the tsunami victims as innocent but wondering if money controbuted to Pakistan will be syphoned off by extremists to attack us. I know there are many innocents in Pakistan but there are also many terrorists harboured by others there too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's plenty of terrorists (or freedom fighters, depending on your politics) in Indonesia and Sri Lanka - both badly affected in 2004.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

maybe the unwashed masses sitting at home watching the tv see sri lanka,indonesia and other places affected by the tsunami as nice beach resorts they would go to on holiday and not as hotbeds of terrorism.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There's plenty of terrorists (or freedom fighters, depending on your politics) in Indonesia and Sri Lanka - both badly affected in 2004."

Not ones that have supposed connections to the twin towers and London bombings they don't. And if you remember the public pictures of the slaughter of the Tamil Tigers on the beach gave those terrorist groups sympathy.

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By *ollie_JCouple
over a year ago

London

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

Call me a racist if you will but I hate the 1500 metres, I'm more a mile man.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should we, and if so how much?"

no, should sort our own country before fixing others.

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By *he BananamanMan
over a year ago

WORCESTERSHIRE

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

as far as i was aware our country is borrowing more and more every year to cover costs with no end in sight.

and as anyone who has run a house hold or business will know that doesnt make you rich it makes you poor so no we should give away nothing that we cant afford which is nothing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe we should address our own issues we have in thpis country first as let's face it as its not in good state with unemployment ,cost of living always rising and the threat of cuts to NHS,police and other services we need .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

just re read my last post and saw the mistake at the end, but im sure you all know what i mean

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

"I would be more inclined to help India then Pakistan then Poland and so on than somewhere like Zimbabwe, it is not about Racism it is about respect for me.

Indians and Pakistanis died in thier Thousands fighting for Great Britain throughout History, /Poland was the first country to join us as allies./

Hitler invaded Poland and GB went to war over it,not the other way about

It is not about racism for me it is about affordability and pissed off with other rich countries watching the rest of us do everything"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A cat can be born in a stable but it doesn't make it a horse!

XXXX

I was waiting for this quote, or a variation of it. Often sprouted by BNP supporters!

It's nice to feel the warmth on these boards! "

Actually I think I heard it from Alf Garnett years ago,never bothered listening to BNP.

However we do believe the community you are brought up in whether ethnic or social moulds your beliefs and how you perceive yourself,be it religion, political persuasion or nationality.

You only have to look at the USA,a great amount of the population describe themselves as Irish,Italian,Scot's,German etc,etc,anything but American even though they and their parents were born there.

So doubtless many Asians in this country feel the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes we should give them help,

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By *mf4BxJCouple
over a year ago

edinburgh

"maybe the unwashed masses sitting at home watching the tv see sri lanka,indonesia and other places affected by the tsunami as nice beach resorts they would go to on holiday and not as hotbeds of terrorism. "

I know personally of several people who gave £100 without thinking about it to the DEC when the Boxing Day tsunami hit. They'd all spent gap years in the area, one had spent Christmas on one of the beaches the year before. I think people had more positive thoughts about the areas affected. Unfortunatly Pakistan doesn't beneifit from the same good PR and is suffering as a result.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You said it suffering ,give them all the help they need.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think its hard for some people to think if giving when there are so many cuts in the UK. I think we should help a bit but it won't be popular with all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not ones that have supposed connections to the twin towers and London bombings they don't. "

And how many buildings actually collapsed on 9/11 in Mew York? And why?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Many people on this thread should get their facts right before they decide to open their mouths, in this case before they write.

Anyway just saw this post and not wanting any debates either. everyone has their right to have their own opinions. But we shouldn't judge a whole country just because some people are corrupt. It is a shame for many of the common people in Pakistan and it is very sad. It has always been a poor country. And it doesn't help when the government is corrupt. The current prime minister & co of Pakistan are a bunch of bastards. He has enough money to buy a £130m property in London and many other properties across the world but only has 5k rs. To give towards the victims of the floods. When the government is corrupt and there is no law then there isn't much the common people can do. The people are only living on hope and there isn't much of that left. Only a person who has lost family and friends and who has seen the country can feel and understand what the people are going through. So if people don't want to give or help out, that's fine but they shouldn't write false things and put other people off from doing good.

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

"Many people on this thread should get their facts right before they decide to open their mouths, in this case before they write.

the people are just showing,thier true christian values.ha ha ha.

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

"Many people on this thread should get their facts right before they decide to open their mouths, in this case before they write.

I have been watching this thread closely and intentionally not posting. But thank you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lol someone had to say something

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not ones that have supposed connections to the twin towers and London bombings they don't.

And how many buildings actually collapsed on 9/11 in Mew York? And why?"

Er........... can I phone a friend?

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By *eordiesCouple
over a year ago

newcastle

Pakistan has nuclear weapons.

Nuclear weapons cost a lot to build and maintain.

Pakistan has just had a terrible natural disaster and is asking for lots of aid from other Countries and charities.

The USA is scared that Pakistans Nuclear weapons may one day fall into the hands of the Tabilaban or similar.

Simple answer....Pakistan sells its nuclear weapons to the USA for say 2 billion dollars....all problems solved.

Of course India would have to give guarentees that they will not threaten Pakistan with nuclear weapons and Pakistan must allow UN inspectors into their nuclear facilities for verification...........

Simples !!!

J & S

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This assumes that if Pakistan hadn't spent their money on nukes they'd have spent it on flood defences and eradicating poverty.

I'm not entirely convinced it works like that.

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By *eordiesCouple
over a year ago

newcastle

Never suggested what they should have done in the past, just suggesting a way out of their present crisis.

J & S

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Never suggested what they should have done in the past, just suggesting a way out of their present crisis.

J & S"

I can't imagine the Yanks giving money to Pakistan when they clearly think Pakistan is a host nation for terrorism in Afghanistan.

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over a year ago

" Never suggested what they should have done in the past, just suggesting a way out of their present crisis.

J & S

I can't imagine the Yanks giving money to Pakistan when they clearly think Pakistan is a host nation for terrorism in Afghanistan."

I think the Americans have already given over 50 million. After the first week they had controbuted twice as much as any other country so maybe they might go for the idea.

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By *ixson-BallsMan
over a year ago

Blackpool

dunno how much you want to give...but i give mine to nspccc...cancer research....heart foundation and rspca...i'm very happy who i contribute to,each to their own...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not ones that have supposed connections to the twin towers and London bombings they don't.

And how many buildings actually collapsed on 9/11 in Mew York? And why?

Er........... can I phone a friend?"

Nope lol. Three at Ground Zero. One that wasn't even hit by an aircraft dropped like a stone, too. It just happened to house CIA records. Call me cynical but external terrorism had nothing to do with 9/11.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Never suggested what they should have done in the past, just suggesting a way out of their present crisis.

J & S

I can't imagine the Yanks giving money to Pakistan when they clearly think Pakistan is a host nation for terrorism in Afghanistan.

I think the Americans have already given over 50 million. After the first week they had controbuted twice as much as any other country so maybe they might go for the idea. "

I suspect that's because America has a rather large and fairly affluent population so it might not be unexpected that they've allegedly contributed twice as much as other countries.

How much they contribute per capita in relation to their average income might be another matter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Never suggested what they should have done in the past, just suggesting a way out of their present crisis.

J & S

I can't imagine the Yanks giving money to Pakistan when they clearly think Pakistan is a host nation for terrorism in Afghanistan.

I think the Americans have already given over 50 million. After the first week they had controbuted twice as much as any other country so maybe they might go for the idea.

I suspect that's because America has a rather large and fairly affluent population so it might not be unexpected that they've allegedly contributed twice as much as other countries.

How much they contribute per capita in relation to their average income might be another matter."

You might be right but their economy isn't perfect yet. It is a little surprising states like the UAE and Kuwait have not helped more as they are cash rich countries.

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over a year ago

" Never suggested what they should have done in the past, just suggesting a way out of their present crisis.

J & S

I can't imagine the Yanks giving money to Pakistan when they clearly think Pakistan is a host nation for terrorism in Afghanistan.

I think the Americans have already given over 50 million. After the first week they had controbuted twice as much as any other country so maybe they might go for the idea.

I suspect that's because America has a rather large and fairly affluent population so it might not be unexpected that they've allegedly contributed twice as much as other countries.

How much they contribute per capita in relation to their average income might be another matter.

You might be right but their economy isn't perfect yet. It is a little surprising states like the UAE and Kuwait have not helped more as they are cash rich countries."

I'd argue that regimes like Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain and so on strenuously avoid being seen to support other nations on a Sovereign Fund basis but probably the rulers and their extended families do so covertly at an individual level.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Pakistan has nuclear weapons.

Nuclear weapons cost a lot to build and maintain.

Pakistan has just had a terrible natural disaster and is asking for lots of aid from other Countries and charities.

The USA is scared that Pakistans Nuclear weapons may one day fall into the hands of the Tabilaban or similar.

Simple answer....Pakistan sells its nuclear weapons to the USA for say 2 billion dollars....all problems solved.

Of course India would have to give guarentees that they will not threaten Pakistan with nuclear weapons and Pakistan must allow UN inspectors into their nuclear facilities for verification...........

Simples !!!

J & S"

Hello strangers. You're a breath of fresh air.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Never suggested what they should have done in the past, just suggesting a way out of their present crisis.

J & S

I can't imagine the Yanks giving money to Pakistan when they clearly think Pakistan is a host nation for terrorism in Afghanistan.

I think the Americans have already given over 50 million. After the first week they had controbuted twice as much as any other country so maybe they might go for the idea.

I suspect that's because America has a rather large and fairly affluent population so it might not be unexpected that they've allegedly contributed twice as much as other countries.

How much they contribute per capita in relation to their average income might be another matter.

You might be right but their economy isn't perfect yet. It is a little surprising states like the UAE and Kuwait have not helped more as they are cash rich countries.

I would disagree on this point as most nations are giving Saudi have given a large amount and they are ruled in the same way as other Arab states. It looks more like a fend for your self attitude to me.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

I was going to add a little more to this thread.....but....

Tin Hats time I think....

careful there Notts we like you round here!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was going to add a little more to this thread.....but....

Tin Hats time I think....

careful there Notts we like you round here!

Ok n thank u very much!

very kind of u to say that...

wooooooooooooo wooooooooooooooo woooooooooo(aid raid siren noise) tin hats lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not ones that have supposed connections to the twin towers and London bombings they don't.

And how many buildings actually collapsed on 9/11 in Mew York? And why?

Er........... can I phone a friend?

oo gee, what the fook were those two great huge flying things that just happened to hit BOTH towers less than an hour apart then?

I suppose man has never been to the moon either

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By *he BananamanMan
over a year ago

WORCESTERSHIRE

Smell the Tory bullshit.

Time alone will prove who's right and who's wrong. The break-up of the ConDem 'coalition' will be an early indicator."

oh dear dear!,the limp lefties are grasping already!,the new government has only had about 13 weeks to try to straighten out 13 years of labour mis- management.

what short memories they have of the corruption of jacqui smith,mandleson, prescott and their grasping ways!.

when labour came to power they latched on to a pop song by dreem as the battle song,"things can only get better"

unfortunately for us it didn't!,it was downhill all the way to 2010 under labour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes!! Rich Countries Should do more!!!

BIG COUNTRYS SUCH AS AMERICA!

or USSR!

thats wot i say.

ahem!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Smell the Tory bullshit.

Time alone will prove who's right and who's wrong. The break-up of the ConDem 'coalition' will be an early indicator.

oh dear dear!,the limp lefties are grasping already!,the new government has only had about 13 weeks to try to straighten out 13 years of labour mis- management.

what short memories they have of the corruption of jacqui smith,mandleson, prescott and their grasping ways!.

when labour came to power they latched on to a pop song by dreem as the battle song,"things can only get better"

unfortunately for us it didn't!,it was downhill all the way to 2010 under labour."

As I said "Time alone will prove who's right and who's wrong." Tories are already deserting the party of the schools non-building programme and Lib Dems are bailing out over the whole deceitful mess.

Watch this space.

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over a year ago

Smell the Tory bullshit.

Time alone will prove who's right and who's wrong. The break-up of the ConDem 'coalition' will be an early indicator.

oh dear dear!,the limp lefties are grasping already!,the new government has only had about 13 weeks to try to straighten out 13 years of labour mis- management.

what short memories they have of the corruption of jacqui smith,mandleson, prescott and their grasping ways!.

when labour came to power they latched on to a pop song by dreem as the battle song,"things can only get better"

unfortunately for us it didn't!,it was downhill all the way to 2010 under labour.

As I said "Time alone will prove who's right and who's wrong." Tories are already deserting the party of the schools non-building programme and Lib Dems are bailing out over the whole deceitful mess.

Watch this space."

I think dont matter whos in power labour,,tories,,libs,,,who cares?,,but end the day,we should all do our bit and chip in to help poorer countries ie ethopia etc,,,we dont realize how lucky we are all to live in a fast paste moving modern britain,,,its only when u see people like disabled folk or poor people in poor countries it makes u realize how lucky everyone including u self! how lucky we all are to have modern luxeries around us n a good fit body too!

ahem!

thank u.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think dont matter whos in power labour,,tories,,libs,,,who cares......."

It matters. It matters more than just about anything else.

Kinnock got a lot of stuff wrong but he was spot on about the Tories (the nasty party as Theresa May calls them) when he said "I warn you not to be old ... I warn you not to be ill ... I warn you not to be poor"

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over a year ago

I think dont matter whos in power labour,,tories,,libs,,,who cares.......

It matters. It matters more than just about anything else.

Yeah remember that sad day.

so guess ur rite!

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over a year ago

I think dont matter whos in power labour,,tories,,libs,,,who cares.......

It matters. It matters more than just about anything else.

I am so looking forward to rubbing a few people's noses in it when the Tories have got this country back up off it's knees in a few years time.

God help us if we ever lose our collective common sense and vote bloody labour in again. An expensive lesson but one well learned - they'll never con me again.

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over a year ago

I am so looking forward to rubbing a few people's noses in it when LABOUR have got this country back up off it's knees in a few years time.

God help us if we ever lose our collective common sense and vote bloody labour in again. An expensive lesson but one well learned - they'll never con me again

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

I think dont matter whos in power labour,,tories,,libs,,,who cares.......

It matters. It matters more than just about anything else.

And then Labour got into power in 1997. And it was the land of milk and honey for everyone. (things could, apparently, only get better).

S'Funny - people get SO hung up on Tories/Labour good/bad and have very entrenched views on politics.

Yet in reality, it does actually make very little differece to peoples day to day lives which party is in government.

And yet people argue so vociferously over political and administrative changes which are, at best highly subjective to analyse.

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over a year ago

I think dont matter whos in power labour,,tories,,libs,,,who cares.......

It matters. It matters more than just about anything else.

And then Labour got into power in 1997. And it was the land of milk and honey for everyone. (things could, apparently, only get better).

S'Funny - people get SO hung up on Tories/Labour good/bad and have very entrenched views on politics.

Yet in reality, it does actually make very little differece to peoples day to day lives which party is in government.

And yet people argue so vociferously over political and administrative changes which are, at best highly subjective to analyse.

Yeah suppose so

good point good point.

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By *uton_coupleCouple
over a year ago

luton

"Many people on this thread should get their facts right before they decide to open their mouths, in this case before they write.

how can people do good if they send money , because by your own admission the government is corupt ?

they are the ones that would recieve the money in the first place and use most of it to buy another property somewhere

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Many people on this thread should get their facts right before they decide to open their mouths, in this case before they write.

how can people do good if they send money , because by your own admission the government is corupt ?

they are the ones that would recieve the money in the first place and use most of it to buy another property somewhere

U think of your self do u?

tut tut!

Give some cash away n be generous!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Many people on this thread should get their facts right before they decide to open their mouths, in this case before they write.

how can people do good if they send money , because by your own admission the government is corupt ?

they are the ones that would recieve the money in the first place and use most of it to buy another property somewhere

You are really not understanding how giving aid works. If you give to charities like the red cross they make sure that monies are spent with areas that are needing help.

You do not have to give if your soul is cold but giving does bring joy.

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Many people on this thread should get their facts right before they decide to open their mouths, in this case before they write.

how can people do good if they send money , because by your own admission the government is corupt ?

they are the ones that would recieve the money in the first place and use most of it to buy another property somewhere

You are really not understanding how giving aid works. If you give to charities like the red cross they make sure that monies are spent with areas that are needing help.

You do not have to give if your soul is cold but giving does bring joy."

Keeping the money brings joy as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Many people on this thread should get their facts right before they decide to open their mouths, in this case before they write.

how can people do good if they send money , because by your own admission the government is corupt ?

they are the ones that would recieve the money in the first place and use most of it to buy another property somewhere

You are really not understanding how giving aid works. If you give to charities like the red cross they make sure that monies are spent with areas that are needing help.

You do not have to give if your soul is cold but giving does bring joy.

Keeping the money brings joy as well."

WEll,,,,so ,,so

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Many people on this thread should get their facts right before they decide to open their mouths, in this case before they write.

how can people do good if they send money , because by your own admission the government is corupt ?

they are the ones that would recieve the money in the first place and use most of it to buy another property somewhere

You are really not understanding how giving aid works. If you give to charities like the red cross they make sure that monies are spent with areas that are needing help.

You do not have to give if your soul is cold but giving does bring joy.

Keeping the money brings joy as well."

That is true but you cannot take your finances with when you depart this world.

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By *uton_coupleCouple
over a year ago

luton

I think dont matter whos in power labour,,tories,,libs,,,who cares.......

It matters. It matters more than just about anything else.

I am so looking forward to rubbing a few people's noses in it when the Tories have got this country back up off it's knees in a few years time.

God help us if we ever lose our collective common sense and vote bloody labour in again. An expensive lesson but one well learned - they'll never con me again."

lol you were saying the other day you might well vote labour in the future , is it Schizophrenia , or bi polar probs you have ?

you will end up rubbing your own nose in it lol

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Many people on this thread should get their facts right before they decide to open their mouths, in this case before they write.

how can people do good if they send money , because by your own admission the government is corupt ?

they are the ones that would recieve the money in the first place and use most of it to buy another property somewhere

You are really not understanding how giving aid works. If you give to charities like the red cross they make sure that monies are spent with areas that are needing help.

You do not have to give if your soul is cold but giving does bring joy.

Keeping the money brings joy as well.

That is true but you cannot take your finances with when you depart this world. "

Indeed you can't.

But i'm not dead yet.

And try as i might, the guy at the checkout isnt going for my whole "i'll pay you in the next life" schtick.

He wants hard cash.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Many people on this thread should get their facts right before they decide to open their mouths, in this case before they write.

how can people do good if they send money , because by your own admission the government is corupt ?

they are the ones that would recieve the money in the first place and use most of it to buy another property somewhere

You are really not understanding how giving aid works. If you give to charities like the red cross they make sure that monies are spent with areas that are needing help.

You do not have to give if your soul is cold but giving does bring joy.

Keeping the money brings joy as well.

That is true but you cannot take your finances with when you depart this world.

Indeed you can't.

But i'm not dead yet.

And try as i might, the guy at the checkout isnt going for my whole "i'll pay you in the next life" schtick.

He wants hard cash."

But if we all give to those who have less we will feel the joy of giving. You don not have to give all only a little to feel nice.

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over a year ago

I don't mind giving to children's charities but I would want assurance all the money went to help the children and non used for other purposes.

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over a year ago

I think dont matter whos in power labour,,tories,,libs,,,who cares.......

It matters. It matters more than just about anything else.

I am so looking forward to rubbing a few people's noses in it when the Tories have got this country back up off it's knees in a few years time.

God help us if we ever lose our collective common sense and vote bloody labour in again. An expensive lesson but one well learned - they'll never con me again.

lol you were saying the other day you might well vote labour in the future , is it Schizophrenia , or bi polar probs you have ?

you will end up rubbing your own nose in it lol"

Signposts and weathercocks again.

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"I don't mind giving to children's charities but I would want assurance all the money went to help the children and non used for other purposes."

Short of checking the charity's accounts it's hard to be sure.

Whatever you do - don't give via 'chuggers' on the street. Roughly the first 18 months of your contributions go to paying their wages.

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over a year ago

how many other countries helped us when we were flooded

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

This is getting too long to load now, so if anyone wants to start part 2 ?

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"I don't mind giving to children's charities but I would want assurance all the money went to help the children and non used for other purposes.

Short of checking the charity's accounts it's hard to be sure.

Whatever you do - don't give via 'chuggers' on the street. Roughly the first 18 months of your contributions go to paying their wages."

Actualy Charity fundraising is quite transparent. Around 35-40% of the funds you donate go towards raising other funds (which includes wages for the 'chuggers' as well as media campaigns).

Charities have to do this , at the end of the day, would any one give to charity if they were not asked to? The plain answer is, No, not nearly so many of us would. Fundraisers generaly make a lot of money for the charities, if they didn't the charities wouldn't employ them.

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over a year ago

From the BBC.

"A BBC investigation has revealed that millions of pounds donated to charities through ‘chuggers’ is not reaching the charities. Private fundraising companies that employ chuggers are paid by charities, and money donated by the public often covers only the companies’ charges.

BBC’s Newsnight contacted twenty leading charities who confirmed that they are effectively paying at least £100 for each signature the chuggers collect. Guide Dogs, Save the Children, Great Ormond Street and Amnesty are amongst those charities paying out millions of pounds a year to companies employing chuggers - with the result that those companies earn more than the charities raise."

The moral is clear. If you want to donate to charities - donate direct and cut out the middleman who's lining his pockets with money you though was going to the charity.

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over a year ago

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"From the BBC.

The moral is clear. If you want to donate to charities - donate direct and cut out the middleman who's lining his pockets with money you though was going to the charity.

The investigation was massively one sided and came to the subject having already made it's mind up.

Actual analysis of the actual numbers shows that this is a cost effective way for charities to raise money, and it works very well for them. The alternative is for the money to be raised through charity shops etc etc which inolves high overheads and admin costs for the charities.

i.e - even when you spend £100 in a charity shop, not all of that £100 goes to the cause.

The other reason charities use "chuggers" to sign people up on the streets is the quintessential thing you see all the time - people will happily bleat on about "that's terrible" and "something should be done" etc etc etc, but they won't volunteer to stand on the high street and sign people up, they'd rather whine and snipe from the sidelines.

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Just as you see pimps on street corners in many parts of the world. Not all (any?) of the money goes to the whore.

The moral is clear. If you want to donate to charities - donate direct and cut out the middleman who's lining his pockets with money you though was going to the charity.

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O o O oo

"This is getting too long to load now, so if anyone wants to start part 2 ?

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