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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

...our Rottie has this injury, anyone else had a dog with the same...?

(£££££££££££

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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pdsa?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

afraid these places on help those on benefits, vets dont even do payment plans xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"pdsa?"

only if u claim benefits I think

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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"pdsa?

only if u claim benefits I think"

ty, was unaware..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

and we fall outside that...my partner works but we just about earn enough to scrape by...

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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"afraid these places on help those on benefits, vets dont even do payment plans xx"

insurance..?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

again typically did have for a while but hubbys work got less so had to make cutbacks in outgoings...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"afraid these places on help those on benefits, vets dont even do payment plans xx

insurance..?"

Bit late now if the dog already has the condition, if you take out insurance on dogs it don't cover conditions they already have

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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"afraid these places on help those on benefits, vets dont even do payment plans xx

insurance..?

Bit late now if the dog already has the condition, if you take out insurance on dogs it don't cover conditions they already have "

fully aware of that having 2 dogs, one with a health issue..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

and tbh this wasnt really a post to go on about the cost, just wondered if anyone else dog had this and how they faired??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

hope u get its poor leg sorted...next time buy an aibo

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"hope u get its poor leg sorted...next time buy an aibo

y u ck !!

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

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"afraid these places on help those on benefits, vets dont even do payment plans xx"

FUCKING HOOOORAY!!! So welcome to see a response like that!

Why people buy animals yet expect the PDSA to roll out for ops and meds simply because they dont want to pay for insurance is a wonder!

The promotion of people to use the PDSA like its a free service is an abhorrence IMO.

The PDSA is a charity. For those on hard times, where the animal is absolute sire need of care. Not because the owner doesn't want debt because they do not want to take ownership of their dog.

**rant over

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im no means a vet but we have dogs and we have had to do some make by things until payday for our girls.

A hand warmer (like those ones you mircowave or break to heat) wrapped up in a sock and bandage to the leg? Or may prefer cooler like a ice pack.

Its so hard I know where your coming from we have kids to provide for and my fella works his ass off. But only once we have found ourselves at cash gen selling some things we wanted to keep but the girls come first. Just xbox and games and some jewellery I never worn but those are replaceable. The doggies arent.

good luck x lou x

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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"afraid these places on help those on benefits, vets dont even do payment plans xx

FUCKING HOOOORAY!!! So welcome to see a response like that!

Why people buy animals yet expect the PDSA to roll out for ops and meds simply because they dont want to pay for insurance is a wonder!

The promotion of people to use the PDSA like its a free service is an abhorrence IMO.

The PDSA is a charity. For those on hard times, where the animal is absolute sire need of care. Not because the owner doesn't want debt because they do not want to take ownership of their dog.

**rant over"

peoples circumstances change and decisions have to be made etc or would you prefer that when people can't afford the insurance they have the animal put to sleep 'just in case'..?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

to be fair, people circumstances can change, and people really do want want is best for their doggys x

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"afraid these places on help those on benefits, vets dont even do payment plans xx

FUCKING HOOOORAY!!! So welcome to see a response like that!

Why people buy animals yet expect the PDSA to roll out for ops and meds simply because they dont want to pay for insurance is a wonder!

The promotion of people to use the PDSA like its a free service is an abhorrence IMO.

The PDSA is a charity. For those on hard times, where the animal is absolute sire need of care. Not because the owner doesn't want debt because they do not want to take ownership of their dog.

**rant over

peoples circumstances change and decisions have to be made etc or would you prefer that when people can't afford the insurance they have the animal put to sleep 'just in case'..?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Im no means a vet but we have dogs and we have had to do some make by things until payday for our girls.

A hand warmer (like those ones you mircowave or break to heat) wrapped up in a sock and bandage to the leg? Or may prefer cooler like a ice pack.

good luck x lou x"

cheers Lou

yes theres always things that come up isnt there, we have three young kids too..just never have enough money to save for these things xx

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over a year ago

"afraid these places on help those on benefits, vets dont even do payment plans xx

FUCKING HOOOORAY!!! So welcome to see a response like that!

Why people buy animals yet expect the PDSA to roll out for ops and meds simply because they dont want to pay for insurance is a wonder!

The promotion of people to use the PDSA like its a free service is an abhorrence IMO.

The PDSA is a charity. For those on hard times, where the animal is absolute sire need of care. Not because the owner doesn't want debt because they do not want to take ownership of their dog.

**rant over

peoples circumstances change and decisions have to be made etc or would you prefer that when people can't afford the insurance they have the animal put to sleep 'just in case'..?

That's true, the insurance on my dogs is £36 a month but even months when I struggle I would sooner scrape to pay it then miss a months and risk paying hundreds for treatments as that's much harder to find

I think its a difficult one but for me its worth having

I know my luck I could go years and never claim but soon as I cancelled one would get hit by a car

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"afraid these places on help those on benefits, vets dont even do payment plans xx

FUCKING HOOOORAY!!! So welcome to see a response like that!

Why people buy animals yet expect the PDSA to roll out for ops and meds simply because they dont want to pay for insurance is a wonder!

The promotion of people to use the PDSA like its a free service is an abhorrence IMO.

The PDSA is a charity. For those on hard times, where the animal is absolute sire need of care. Not because the owner doesn't want debt because they do not want to take ownership of their dog.

**rant over

peoples circumstances change and decisions have to be made etc or would you prefer that when people can't afford the insurance they have the animal put to sleep 'just in case'..?

I think its a difficult one but for me its worth having

I know my luck I could go years and never claim but soon as I cancelled one would get hit by a car

its sods law that as you say when there is no cover something happens..

one of ours has epilepsy and we have full life for both, last year the bill for one was just under £5 k..

we are fortunate in that we are able to afford the cover but had we not had it then we would have fund it somehow..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Im no means a vet but we have dogs and we have had to do some make by things until payday for our girls.

A hand warmer (like those ones you mircowave or break to heat) wrapped up in a sock and bandage to the leg? Or may prefer cooler like a ice pack.

good luck x lou x

cheers Lou

yes theres always things that come up isnt there, we have three young kids too..just never have enough money to save for these things xx

Absolutely. We had a shit time in November when you know that month that comes every year when if it doesnt rain it pours, and if it doesnt pour its a fucking tidal wave? We had one of those. The house we was renting got sold, got conned out of 300 by a letting agency, fridge freezer blew up and our one girl peppa was rushed into emergency and stayed 2 nights on a drip. Fortunately we was allowed to pay abit up front and the rest within a week. Which we ended up getting our first credit card. Atm things are good, my kids and dogs are happy, money is... ok lol and im due a baby in 4weeks.

We are no good at saving thou we do have "things" to sell if desperate xx

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

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But to answer a question OP.

It depends. Partial torn - no idea what that means. Most vets will air on the side of caution and not opt for surgery. If the knee cap is dislocating, it will mean surgery. This will cost - expect around £4-5k (sorry). Due to the way their knee joint moves it is consonantly under tension, so if not repaired the joint will become diseased. The success rate of the op is high, though my dog wasn't so lucky - one of those thoroughbred dogs where they couldn't get it to stick and meant multiple surgeries).

I would suggest a lot of rest, start now with less and less attention, less and less play, less food, try to bring a little weight off so he on the leaner side of his breed weight. Things like attention too, try to keep to a minimum, as if it does come to an op and you have to crate him, him being stressed due to being left is not going to be good if he's had an op.

Only simple idea - hopefully it wont come to it - it may repair as it is only partial? I can wholly recommend a supplement. Try Green Lipped Mussel is aids tendon repair and reduces inflammation, though if he is allergic to shell gich he cant have it..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a fellow rotty owner and someone also on low pay I feel sorry for you and especially the dog . I've tried for years to work out why vets charge so much and I also think the likes of Pdsa and rspca should treat the animal for you stuff the costs . And as for private vets they should also put animals first not the big pockets that they have that need filling !!!!!!!

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

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*shell fish

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

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"As a fellow rotty owner and someone also on low pay I feel sorry for you and especially the dog . I've tried for years to work out why vets charge so much and I also think the likes of Pdsa and rspca should treat the animal for you stuff the costs . And as for private vets they should also put animals first not the big pockets that they have that need filling !!!!!!! "

So get everybody else to pay for your dog then - yeah - sign me up.

pfffffff

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So get everybody else to pay for your dog then - yeah - sign me up.

pfffffff"

Nice of you to offer I'll put you top of the list !!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why should the PDSA and RSPCA treat all animals, you say stuff the cost but that's a rather unrealistic attitude, they do not have a bottomless pit they are a charity, why should they pick up the cost of your dog? Your dog is your responsibility not theirs, plus if they treat all animals stuff the cost they would very soon be bankrupt and out of business then who are you expecting to look after your animals for you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

These scroats get these expensive dogs that don't work and prob never have but still get there dog treated for feck all or sorry donation !!!!! Gimp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I look after my animals and pay for everything they need including vet bills

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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vets train for several years and yes in some area's the prices are high but no one forced you to have a pet, you chose to and with that comes responsibility..

blaming the industry that exists cos we have pets that need looking after now and then is a strange logic..

if you went to work and your boss said i'm chopping your money you would be off elsewhere..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So get everybody else to pay for your dog then - yeah - sign me up.

pfffffff"

There's no need for that. It was a question.

Guess everyone on a low income shouldn't have pets then? Let all take our pets to rehoming centres because minimum wage mean you work your ass off all sorts of hours just to be able to get by.

People always get though it somehow.

Ring around. Maybe call dogs trust for some info. Rspca only help if they can make a profit x

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

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"These scroats get these expensive dogs that don't work and prob never have but still get there dog treated for feck all or sorry donation !!!!! Gimp"

more like - people who dont need a system will often take advantage of a system when they can see they can get something for nothing, simply because they dont wanna be out done.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

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So get everybody else to pay for your dog then - yeah - sign me up.

pfffffff

There's no need for that. It was a question.

Guess everyone on a low income shouldn't have pets then? Let all take our pets to rehoming centres because minimum wage mean you work your ass off all sorts of hours just to be able to get by.

People always get though it somehow.

Ring around. Maybe call dogs trust for some info. Rspca only help if they can make a profit x"

Read the post I quoted. The post says. I have a big dog. The RSPCA and the PDSA SHOULD PAY FOR IT!

If you dont like my post then, that is just hard times - no apologies here.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Ok calm down everyone, and thanks for the kind words and stories xx

Kitty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"These scroats get these expensive dogs that don't work and prob never have but still get there dog treated for feck all or sorry donation !!!!! Gimp

more like - people who dont need a system will often take advantage of a system when they can see they can get something for nothing, simply because they dont wanna be out done."

Agree, you can have 3 pets registered with the PDSA, I know because my daughter is a student vet with them, she said you get loads of people who bring in other peoples pets and register them as their own so save working family members paying vets bills, half the time they know bigger all about the animal when asked questions yet claim they are their much loved pets

In my opinion its not right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im not after a apology . I was only on here perving...

can't resist a dog post

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bugger*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"afraid these places on help those on benefits, vets dont even do payment plans xx

FUCKING HOOOORAY!!! So welcome to see a response like that!

Why people buy animals yet expect the PDSA to roll out for ops and meds simply because they dont want to pay for insurance is a wonder!

The promotion of people to use the PDSA like its a free service is an abhorrence IMO.

The PDSA is a charity. For those on hard times, where the animal is absolute sire need of care. Not because the owner doesn't want debt because they do not want to take ownership of their dog.

**rant over

peoples circumstances change and decisions have to be made etc or would you prefer that when people can't afford the insurance they have the animal put to sleep 'just in case'..?

That costs a fortune as well .

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

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"These scroats get these expensive dogs that don't work and prob never have but still get there dog treated for feck all or sorry donation !!!!! Gimp

more like - people who dont need a system will often take advantage of a system when they can see they can get something for nothing, simply because they dont wanna be out done.

In my opinion its not right "

and then there are the families with absolutely loved animals needing medical attention, that are probably turned away or pts due to resources being exhausted.

I find this flag waving pdsa stuff infuriating. It isn't just the animals - it's the down trodden families that are left further broken due to people that probably could use a credit card if necessary.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it's just the Knee Ligaments it will heal itself.

I have 2 Alsations and one of them did it, he was ok after a couple of weeks, mind you he's only 3 years old.

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By *ipsTeaserCouple
over a year ago

here and there, thereabouts

"and we fall outside that...my partner works but we just about earn enough to scrape by...

Have your circumstances changed at all? If so its possibly worth contacting them with regard to their criteria.

Your poor dog, big squishy hugs to him!

Sorry I have no experience of the condition, but would suggest lots of rest to reduce strain is likely.If you want to talk to someone in similar position Id try rottie owner forums or pet forums- always a wealth of advice on those.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

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So get everybody else to pay for your dog then - yeah - sign me up.

pfffffff

There's no need for that. It was a question.

Guess everyone on a low income shouldn't have pets then? Let all take our pets to rehoming centres because minimum wage mean you work your ass off all sorts of hours just to be able to get by.

People always get though it somehow.

Ring around. Maybe call dogs trust for some info. Rspca only help if they can make a profit x"

Pets are a luxury,not a necessity. If ever I was to fall on hard times I'd get rid of whatever pets I had. Firstly to save me money and secondly to make sure they had a home that could offer them what they needed. I don't get overly emotionally attached to my pets.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hi Kittty,

My welsh border collie had a torn cruciate ligament when he was 4 years old.

The repair was quite a simple op if the vet is well read and knows his stuff. There's a couple of vets I can recommend if you want to message me.

My boy recovered soon enough, although there is a substantial rest period, and went on to live a long life of 15 1/2 years.

Glucosamine and Chjondroitin will help as will the green lipped mussel extract already mentioned.

There is a very good supplement called Canine Superflex from NAF that has all this in and will generally help larger dogs with joint issues.

I hope he's better soon. dogs are very special to their owners...

TBG x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

* Chondroitin

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My mums dog Dexter had an accident and tore his cruciate ligament, unfortunately the vet went away on holiday and they postponed his surgery for ten days, after a hefty cost and late surgery unfortunately his leg has never fully recovered and he cannot put his foot down properly anymore!

He now has to have metacam (sp) every day for the pain and if they were to have another surgery it could be £2k

The insurance wont pay for it and my mum is on disability due to cancer so finding that amount of money is out of the question, plus due to his age now he may not survive the surgery!

Just hope that it is something that with rest he will be ok! Sometimes a cheaper solution is a hydro centre where the water physio helps x

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

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hydrotherapy is expensive. It is effective but expensive as you need regular sessions - it is effectively a treadmill cubicle that fills with water to a height that offers resistance. You can do the same thing if you can find a fresh water lake that has a shallow sandy entrance.

As far as glucosamine and chondrotin supplements. Just buy a decent glucosamine HCL compound supplement (it is better absorbed). Unless he is old, he wont need the chondroitn booster. Glucosamine stimulates chondroitin production - this decreases with age which is why you buy one with chondroitin. Buy a oure glucosamine tab with no fillers or talks 750mg dails is usually more than enough. The flexi joint stuff is usually an unecessary addage, if he is on a decent kibble, their nutrition is gained from this. But glucosamine and a green lipped mussle supplement will benefit greatly.

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By *innamon!Woman
over a year ago

no matter

"afraid these places on help those on benefits, vets dont even do payment plans xx

FUCKING HOOOORAY!!! So welcome to see a response like that!

Why people buy animals yet expect the PDSA to roll out for ops and meds simply because they dont want to pay for insurance is a wonder!

The promotion of people to use the PDSA like its a free service is an abhorrence IMO.

The PDSA is a charity. For those on hard times, where the animal is absolute sire need of care. Not because the owner doesn't want debt because they do not want to take ownership of their dog.

**rant over

peoples circumstances change and decisions have to be made etc or would you prefer that when people can't afford the insurance they have the animal put to sleep 'just in case'..?

That costs a fortune as well .

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Euthanasia costs are related to the size of the animal.

Actually Not that expensive.

What does cost is asking the vet to visit the home or people wanting the ashes back.. or leaving the animal at the vet for a standard cremation .

If you go for a standard euth and take the animal away to bury at home you will find the cost is very reasonable..

I am no way critising the OP for canx insurance as I know sometimes it seems the best thing..

But in my experience thinking of the people I see they prefer to pay for their nails and hair and of course Skye tv rather than pay insurance.

Our clinics will discuss payment plans unfortunately many people take the piss and do not keep to the agreed payments. I recommend you talk to the practice manager and set up a direct debit if they agree.

One person I have in mind paid £1 this week towards an 800 bill.

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By *ackspopCouple
over a year ago

Wymondham

Happened to my Rottie cross twice. £700 for replacement ligament op both times. No insurance either time *wince*

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

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"Happened to my Rottie cross twice. £700 for replacement ligament op both times. No insurance either time *wince*"

£700 is remarkable. I think that was the cost of the theatre alone for mine lol

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

"...our Rottie has this injury, anyone else had a dog with the same...?

(£££££££££££

Friends dog did and the surgery started expensive and ended up very expensive

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Weve been given two options, one the smaller surgery where they place a plastic loop kinda thing to stabilise joint(£800 ish) or metal plates etc by experienced specialist £40000... We will have to go for the first xx

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By *innamon!Woman
over a year ago

no matter

Vets prices vary depending on how close to london you are. Unfortunately.

I know a cruciate ligament surgery is about 2500.I'm not a vet so no idea what your dogs problem is.

Lots of rest and get weight off him will certainly help any surgery prospects.

good luck .

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yes cheers..shes been resting, as much as possible for six weeks but no improvement, gonna try and get a little weight off here too, which will be good ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *jeeffMan
over a year ago

leeds

dogs trust have vets on site maybe they can help a lot of crying helps

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

rspca have vets low cost as well but guess you have to have low wages on benefits etc but worth asking

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By *innamon!Woman
over a year ago

no matter

How is the doggy ? what have you decided on doing ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

bullet is the cheapest option

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"bullet is the cheapest option"

i dont get overly emotionally attached but thats a tad extreme

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By *eterpan6b1Couple
over a year ago

Hedon

try anti -inflametries and rest. Our Cross Lab had a knee rebuild last year and it cost in excess of £5000 ouch

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"bullet is the cheapest option"

your not a vet then..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no but the other half has got a shotgun

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So get everybody else to pay for your dog then - yeah - sign me up.

pfffffff

There's no need for that. It was a question.

Guess everyone on a low income shouldn't have pets then? Let all take our pets to rehoming centres because minimum wage mean you work your ass off all sorts of hours just to be able to get by.

People always get though it somehow.

Ring around. Maybe call dogs trust for some info. Rspca only help if they can make a profit x

What's the point in having a pet then? You talk like it's a farm animal and it's just a business decision to get rid of it. Perhaps it's just a status symbol or fashion accessory for you but most people invest some emotions in owning their per.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"no but the other half has got a shotgun"

then you'll probably know that a shotgun does not fire bullets..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had a Bullmastiff that snapped a cruciate ligament due to someone elses incompetence, Cost me £700 to have it wired (was quite a few years ago) she was able to walk on it fine after, once they have one done it does put extra pressure on the other causing it to wear faster and if they live a long life you might find you have to have the other done some years later like I did, the 2 options I was given was the £800 wire again or a TPLO like footballers have where they cut the end of the bone and reset it at a different angle to cause less stress on it, they wanted £3000 for that option but they were in a agreement that as the other had been wired already and her age it made no sense....... Good luck, hope your Rottie makes a full recovery

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No matter what your personal feelings are towards a persons choice to have a pet, It would be nice for some of you to show a little respect.

This is someones pet. they have a bond with it that some of you don't and won't understand. That's fine, that's your choice but keep your opinions to yourself...

If your 4 year old child was sick, you couldn't afford the treatment and someone suggested a bullet how would you feel...?

Some of us choose not to have kids and have pets instead, it doesn't make them any less important...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

dogs have knees??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No matter what your personal feelings are towards a persons choice to have a pet, It would be nice for some of you to show a little respect.

This is someones pet. they have a bond with it that some of you don't and won't understand. That's fine, that's your choice but keep your opinions to yourself...

If your 4 year old child was sick, you couldn't afford the treatment and someone suggested a bullet how would you feel...?

Some of us choose not to have kids and have pets instead, it doesn't make them any less important..."

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"dogs have knees??

all animals with legs have knees!! lol

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"no but the other half has got a shotgun

then you'll probably know that a shotgun does not fire bullets.."

hahah....busted!!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

shes ok, shes on pain meds, weve decided to go for the less expensive option, of having the loop put in her knee as alot of people seems to say this is a sucess

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"afraid these places on help those on benefits, vets dont even do payment plans xx"

our vets do (we use 3)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"afraid these places on help those on benefits, vets dont even do payment plans xx"

our vets do (we use 3)

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