FabSwingers.com forum: Right to offend, except jews

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The pm says he will fight to keep the right to offend.

but then says he will stamp out anti semitic speech.

So free speech, except against Jews!

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham

Does that mean I can call you a woolly back without redress ?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Anyone would think there's an election coming.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any prejudice is wrong.

LOVE one another.

Simple.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Any prejudice is wrong.

LOVE one another.

Simple. "

Jolly well said we all live on this pale blue dot floating in space we have a moral obligation to be nicer to each other

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Any prejudice is wrong.

LOVE one another.

Simple.

Jolly well said we all live on this pale blue dot floating in space we have a moral obligation to be nicer to each other

It's far easier to hate than to love.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The pm says he will fight to keep the right to offend.

but then says he will stamp out anti semitic speech.

So free speech, except against Jews! "

Good, because he offends me in so many ways!!

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By *araidWoman
over a year ago

the west (ish)

"The pm says he will fight to keep the right to offend.

but then says he will stamp out anti semitic speech.

So free speech, except against Jews! "

Ahhh but dont you live in an extremist moslem community where infidels dare not go? according to fox news anyway? lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lol Daily Mail goes for this headline, pure class:

David Cameron says Pope Francis is wrong to claim people who mock Islam should 'expect a punch'.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_antisemitism It will be this he is against, not actual freedom of speech against jews.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/4351672/French-cartoonist-Sine-on-trial-on-charges-of-anti-Semitism-over-Sarkozy-jibe.html

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

A very great man once said....

No one is born hating another person because of the colour of his skin, or his background, or his religion. People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love, for love comes more naturally to the human heart than hate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A very great man once said....

Charlie Chaplin

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By *iccardaTV/TS
over a year ago

Wallasey

its getting late

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By *earboynottinghamMan
over a year ago

Nottingham

Jews are a race too though so you can't allow anything which is racist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A very great man once said....

I love this man.

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By *ts artMan
over a year ago

Londonderry

"The pm says he will fight to keep the right to offend.

Good, because he offends me in so many ways!!"

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By *andd2Couple
over a year ago

The Dungeon

We don't have free speech in this country and we never have. The yanks do, the 1st Amendment and that gives them the right to say whatever they want, when they want ... however, just because you have the right to have something to say doesn't mean you have the right to be listened to does it?

We are equally free to ignore you, not buy your product, not watch your programme, not listen to your broadcast, not employ you, not read your paper etc

However, we do have 'hate speech' in this country which is against the law. From wikipedia:

"Hate speech is, outside the law, speech that attacks a person or group on the basis of attributes such as gender, ethnic origin, religion, race, disability, or sexual orientation.

In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group."

So basically, you can't actually not allowed to offend anyone anymore because you're technically breaking the law. Another way of viewing it is as thus; you only want to listen to something you like to hear and everything else offends you so it must be banned. Well I'm offended by the Tory Manifesto so can I have it banned as hate speech please? No? Oh well, such is the double headed sword of free speech.

For me, just because someone is racist, homophobic, anti-semitic, islamaphobic, anti-christian, whatever, means nothing. Just because they spout their shite doesn't mean I have to listen to it does it? (Personally, I turn off the Conservative Party Political Broadcast so I don't have to listen to their brand of hatred!) Doesn't matter what you say or what you ban, there will ALWAYS be people who listen, believe, follow and support such hatred. When someone is openly full of such rubbish you can use reasoned argument to counter their hatred, if they don't/won't listen then banning their opinions won't make them change their minds, it only strengthens that opinion and makes them feel hate even more.

Ban everything or ban nothing, those are your only choices.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Freedom of speech has been debated on here before. Freedom of speech comes with the duty and responsibility to use it wisely.

The principle of the right to offend (i.e. to mock someone's beliefs for example) does not extend necessarily to the right to insult. Or to espouse hate.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"The pm says he will fight to keep the right to offend.

but then says he will stamp out anti semitic speech.

So free speech, except against Jews! "

How is antisemitism free speech?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Lol Daily Mail goes for this headline, pure class:

David Cameron says Pope Francis is wrong to claim people who mock Islam should 'expect a punch'.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_antisemitism It will be this he is against, not actual freedom of speech against jews.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/4351672/French-cartoonist-Sine-on-trial-on-charges-of-anti-Semitism-over-Sarkozy-jibe.html

The pope quote was actually 'if my friend insulted my mother he should expect a punch' (good old Mail!).

The Sine case is interesting as at the time Sarkozy's son was rumoured to be converting to Judaism in advance of marriage but the cartoon was withdrawn and Sine dismissed by the publisher (who went on to become head of France's state broadcaster).

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

"The pm says he will fight to keep the right to offend.

but then says he will stamp out anti semitic speech.

So free speech, except against Jews!

How is antisemitism free speech? "

and while I think hes complete twat his point was made after the awful events in paris 2 weeks ago,so they do actually make sense,unless of course you want to attempt to stir up a mild bit of controversy on a swinging website on a boring monday morning

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your free to take the piss out of Judaism just as much as you are Christianity or islamism.

Your not free to incite racial hatred of any!.

There's a difference between ridiculing someone's faith or prophet and inciting people to chop the heads of Jews!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am not racist, sexist or any other kind of 'ist', it is pointless to be so. I will however continue to voice my opinions about the absurdities that religion, race and cultural rules impose on people. That is my interpretation of free speech, and the right to free speech should be available to all. I will not incite hatred of people just on their beliefs or skin colour. But should they decide to do so, I will argue my case and, if required, fight back.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

A jew, a muslim, a catholic, a budhist, a sikh, a hindu, an atheist, an agnostic and a trekkie go into a pub..

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

How the hell can you offend a shark? Apart from casting Robert De Niro in Shark Tale?

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"A jew, a muslim, a catholic, a budhist, a sikh, a hindu, an atheist, an agnostic and a trekkie go into a pub..

and have a great night. Multiculturalism - isn't it great?

With apologies to Bernard Righton aka John Thompson

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Religion has too much protection, including tax breaks, which means I have to pay more tax as a result.

It's morally wrong to insult and hurt others intentionally, but most religious should get over themselves and accept that their mythical beliefs have no more founding than fairy tales.

Religions should be open to intelligent debate and pay appropriate tax now, so the rest of us can pay less.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A jew, a muslim, a catholic, a budhist, a sikh, a hindu, an atheist, an agnostic and a trekkie go into a pub..

and have a great night. Multiculturalism - isn't it great?

With apologies to Bernard Righton aka John Thompson

"
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Yeah the one thing that unites them all is their dislike of atheists!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Any prejudice is wrong.

LOVE one another.

Simple. "

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

Lets put this in perspective. Jews do not carry out terrorist acts in Europe nor do they attack innocent people.

Moslems do not carry out such acts either although some people hide behind the banner of Islam and do so.

Whatever we may think. Rather than say what we can do with our free speech. There will always be some who violentlyattack what they see as the Jewish enemy, while the Jewish community will not carry out violent acts against Islamic interests.

And before anyone raises the point, Israel is not the Jewish community and the Jewish community is not Israel.Israel may be a bit of a maverick state but this is not the Jewish community.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"The pm says he will fight to keep the right to offend.

but then says he will stamp out anti semitic speech.

So free speech, except against Jews!

How is antisemitism free speech?

It wasn't an attempt to stir anything.

But thanks for that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Lol Daily Mail goes for this headline, pure class:

David Cameron says Pope Francis is wrong to claim people who mock Islam should 'expect a punch'.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_antisemitism It will be this he is against, not actual freedom of speech against jews.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/4351672/French-cartoonist-Sine-on-trial-on-charges-of-anti-Semitism-over-Sarkozy-jibe.html

The pope quote was actually 'if my friend insulted my mother he should expect a punch' (good old Mail!).

I didn't click the link, refuse to look at the Daily Mail.

Yeah that Sine article came up while i was looking for the wiki on anti-semitism. Found it interesting myself, not surte if what he committed was hate crime or racist though?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Away from fabs (or on it, if you like lengthy discourse) I discuss my beliefs with others. Free speech, for me at least, extends as far as attacking ones beliefs and having my own attacked. You can debate and criticise ideas all you like. When it's not ok is when the ad hominem attacks begin and a person attacks the person rather than the belief, that's not cool. Attack the belief, not the person. I think it's perfectly ok to mock anyone you like - Jesus, Muhammad, Yahweh, Thor, FSM (lol) etc. You're criticising ideas and books, not skin colour and people. Those who cry foul when you denounce or mock any religion or religious idea are the enemies of free speech imo.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A very great man once said....

South Pacific...Rogers and Hammerstein (yes he was Jewish). "You've Got to be Carefully Taught". Check the lyrics.

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

South Pacific...Rogers and Hammerstein (yes he was Jewish). "You've Got to be Carefully Taught". Check the lyrics."

How true...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A very great man once said....

South Pacific...Rogers and Hammerstein (yes he was Jewish). "You've Got to be Carefully Taught". Check the lyrics."
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Lol it's a great musical! Seen it many times at amateur productions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A very great man once said....

Charlie Chaplin

Or not lol,reads similar to his speech in The Dictator I thought...nevermind

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A very great man once said....

Charlie Chaplin

Or not lol,reads similar to his speech in The Dictator I thought...nevermind "
.No

Rich men love giving speech's about how we can all live together, there's hundreds of them!

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady

"A jew, a muslim, a catholic, a budhist, a sikh, a hindu, an atheist, an agnostic and a trekkie go into a pub..

How dare you ridicule Jedi Knights by leaving them out!

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

Everyone has the right to offend everyone. Loads of things offend me but I just put up with it.

The law bans incitement to violence or a threat to violence. That is how it should be.

Ideas and debate is free and it should be.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"A jew, a muslim, a catholic, a budhist, a sikh, a hindu, an atheist, an agnostic and a trekkie go into a pub..

and have a great night. Multiculturalism - isn't it great?

With apologies to Bernard Righton aka John Thompson

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"A jew, a muslim, a catholic, a budhist, a sikh, a hindu, an atheist, an agnostic and a trekkie go into a pub..

How dare you ridicule Jedi Knights by leaving them out!"

Jedi Knights..

splitters..

oops wrong film..

fuck that's a religio satirical tome..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Lol their not far wrong, we're thinking of moving to secular Devon!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Everyone has the right to offend everyone. Loads of things offend me but I just put up with it.

The law bans incitement to violence or a threat to violence. That is how it should be.

Ideas and debate is free and it should be."

Not entirely true.

That mam who criticised israeli on tv had to resign.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The pm says he will fight to keep the right to offend.

but then says he will stamp out anti semitic speech.

So free speech, except against Jews! "

Sounds good to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The pm says he will fight to keep the right to offend.

but then says he will stamp out anti semitic speech.

So free speech, except against Jews! "

Phew, so I can still slag off Catholics?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I am anti zionist, not anti semitic.

I dislike zionist policies, not the Jewish people

There is a difference.

I disagree with Islamic fundamentalist, but not Islam as a religion.

Ozzie

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The pm says he will fight to keep the right to offend.

but then says he will stamp out anti semitic speech.

So free speech, except against Jews!

Phew, so I can still slag off Catholics?

Leave us Catholics alone or I will punch you in the face, the Pope says that's ok!!

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady

"The pm says he will fight to keep the right to offend.

but then says he will stamp out anti semitic speech.

So free speech, except against Jews!

Phew, so I can still slag off Catholics?

Nope, that's illegal too, in parts of the UK

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

good job we don't have love thy neighbour on telly that was bad for its day

no rascism anywhere

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