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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

How many believe in god. Children harmed and born with health problems and wars over religion loads go on and you think if there is a god why don't he do something. Do you believe. ? or believe in something different .?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Gods....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe that throughout History people have looked to the Sky and built monuments to something, Was God an Astronaut ? who knows

Gemini Gimp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Theres only a god when im being plundered by a hot sexy man

Usually in the fashion of

"Oh my gooooooooood"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Religion causes wars, is that gods work?

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By *errynjuneCouple
over a year ago

Barnsley

Yes there is a God and voting Tory makes perfect sense.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Theres only a god when im being plundered by a hot sexy man

Usually in the fashion of

"Oh my gooooooooood" "
lol yes I have found that god in my bed too xx... But the strange thing I do at times find myself praying so I must think there is something out there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No there isn't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Theres only a god when im being plundered by a hot sexy man

Usually in the fashion of

"Oh my gooooooooood" lol yes I have found that god in my bed too xx... But the strange thing I do at times find myself praying so I must think there is something out there."

I pray to thor and odin.. Usually hoping Thor finds his way between my thighs x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes there is a God

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Paul McGrath

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Being parents of a child born with a life threatening disease you hold on to whatever hope you can, be that God or whatever (praying every minute of every day) but not really sure whether it's real or just something people grab onto when things turn bad and there is nothing or nowhere else.

But definitely had the "oh my god" experience in the bedroom too

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

I find it easier to believe in a god than in any of our man-made religions.

(Though I did quite like the idea of the one with hardcore porn images on their temples. Till I looked into it )

Mr ddc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I m undecided tbh but I always think this The Bible would be one hell of a work of fiction considering when it was written

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Being parents of a child born with a life threatening disease you hold on to whatever hope you can, be that God or whatever (praying every minute of every day) but not really sure whether it's real or just something people grab onto when things turn bad and there is nothing or nowhere else.

But definitely had the "oh my god" experience in the bedroom too "
I feel like you when I need something I hold I do hope there is something out there just not sure what. x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I m undecided tbh but I always think this The Bible would be one hell of a work of fiction considering when it was written "

The Bible as we know it now was written over about 300 years, christianity is actually quite a recent Religion

Gimp

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By *om1962Man
over a year ago

Brighton

I pray that there isn't ... DOH!

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By *rown_cock_edinMan
over a year ago

edinburgh


"Theres only a god when im being plundered by a hot sexy man

Usually in the fashion of

"Oh my gooooooooood" "

Anylaady with Marvel/DC tops deserves a good plundering

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


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The Bible as we know it now was written over about 300 years

Gimp"

Also by at least four completely different sets of people - hence all the contradictions!

Mr ddc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Religion causes wars, is that gods work?"

Religion doesn't cause war.......mankind causes war, so many just use religion as an excuse.

Kinky

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By *rown_cock_edinMan
over a year ago

edinburgh


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The Bible as we know it now was written over about 300 years

Gimp

Also by at least four completely different sets of people - hence all the contradictions!

Mr ddc"

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By *rown_cock_edinMan
over a year ago

edinburgh


"Religion causes wars, is that gods work?

Religion doesn't cause war.......mankind causes war, so many just use religion as an excuse.

Kinky"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do understand the king James bible as we now know it was nt written that far back however the stories for want of a better word are far older and I guess what puzzles me is what would motivate people to have created these so long ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well I sure ain't evolved from no monkey!

Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is truly a god who lives and breathes.............Eric Cantona

Mon Diue

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I do understand the king James bible as we now know it was nt written that far back however the stories for want of a better word are far older and I guess what puzzles me is what would motivate people to have created these so long ago "
Mel, deities were created long ago for the early homosapiens to focus on something other that eating sleeping and reproducing!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There is truly a god who lives and breathes.............Eric Cantona

Mon Diue"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Religion causes wars, is that gods work?"

Hmmm. The biggest wars have nothing to do with religion. WW1/2.Vietnam and the other US/Soviet wars.

Also the biggest genocides aren't driven by religion. Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot weren't known for being deeply religious.

The non religious have as a bad a record as the religious.

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By *rown_cock_edinMan
over a year ago

edinburgh


"I do understand the king James bible as we now know it was nt written that far back however the stories for want of a better word are far older and I guess what puzzles me is what would motivate people to have created these so long ago "

Same reason people create anything... to be relevant, part of something or be remembered...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Theres only a god when im being plundered by a hot sexy man

Usually in the fashion of

"Oh my gooooooooood" lol yes I have found that god in my bed too xx... But the strange thing I do at times find myself praying so I must think there is something out there.

I pray to thor and odin.. Usually hoping Thor finds his way between my thighs x"

I got mistaken for Thor once ......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I m undecided tbh but I always think this The Bible would be one hell of a work of fiction considering when it was written "

Academics and theists reckon the bible was written/assembled over a period of more than 1,000 years, by dozens of original authors and even more 'tinkerers' since then. Plenty of scope for fiction, I think

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I do understand the king James bible as we now know it was nt written that far back however the stories for want of a better word are far older and I guess what puzzles me is what would motivate people to have created these so long ago

Same reason people create anything... to be relevant, part of something or be remembered...

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but they're anonymous. ....

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"I do understand the king James bible as we now know it was nt written that far back however the stories for want of a better word are far older and I guess what puzzles me is what would motivate people to have created these so long ago

Same reason people create anything... to be relevant, part of something or be remembered...

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To control the masses

(Masses - see what I did there, one for the catholics )

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes Jo there is, otherwise how would one as beautiful as you have been created ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

of course there's a god, there are indicators of it's existence, take the duck billed platypus and the fact that the moon is exactly the right distance between earth and the sun to give us a perfect solar eclipse just as the human race had become "self aware". There are more examples, just keep your eyes open. Does the human race need a God to survive? looking around at the moment I'd say yes. However the bible says were in a time of grace. it's up to you to have faith in him, not for him to prove his existence. no point in him telling you you need him with no proof. however if the world goes to hell without him it could be argued that that's all the proof you need.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem is; the Bible and Christisnity in general has been terribly distorted by the Roman Catholic Church. It was all adjusted to suit the first pope and the Roman Empire.

After Jesus death it would most possibly have been James that took over the movement, rather than (St) Peter.

There is an argument the current religion most closest to original Christianity is the Nasireeans in Iran/Iraq, and the RC church had the audacity to have them persecuted for being heretics!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the moon was bigger or smaller we would still get a total eclipse....only the patch in the dark would get bigger or smaller !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If the moon was bigger or smaller we would still get a total eclipse....only the patch in the dark would get bigger or smaller !"

no, you wouldn't get a perfect eclipse. at the moment the moon covers the sun but not the corona. if it was smaller you wouldn't see the corona as the edge of the Sun would be to bright, and obviously if it was bigger it would cover the corona. also there would be no "diamond ring" effect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If the moon was bigger or smaller we would still get a total eclipse....only the patch in the dark would get bigger or smaller !"

the operative word was "perfect" not "total" as you said.

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire


"Yes Jo there is, otherwise how would one as beautiful as you have been created ? "

you men!!! I was called a goddess yesterday by a bloke trying to get his leg over lol

as for god im undecided he never helps me when I ask

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

never confuse Roman Catholicism with Christianity. it's quite literally all the old Roman gods with different names. why do you think they have so many saints days? All just made up. Mary can forgive your sins? How? laughable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes Jo there is, otherwise how would one as beautiful as you have been created ?

you men!!! I was called a goddess yesterday by a bloke trying to get his leg over lol

as for god im undecided he never helps me when I ask "

it must depend on what you ask and if he believes it would really help. for example if I ask too be rich I would fully expect to lose everything just so I can see how rich I had already been..

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

I believe in bacon

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire


"Yes Jo there is, otherwise how would one as beautiful as you have been created ?

you men!!! I was called a goddess yesterday by a bloke trying to get his leg over lol

as for god im undecided he never helps me when I ask

it must depend on what you ask and if he believes it would really help. for example if I ask too be rich I would fully expect to lose everything just so I can see how rich I had already been.."

that is very true but ive never prayed for anything for myself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I m undecided tbh but I always think this The Bible would be one hell of a work of fiction considering when it was written "

Imagination appeared when???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes Jo there is, otherwise how would one as beautiful as you have been created ?

you men!!! I was called a goddess yesterday by a bloke trying to get his leg over lol

as for god im undecided he never helps me when I ask

it must depend on what you ask and if he believes it would really help. for example if I ask too be rich I would fully expect to lose everything just so I can see how rich I had already been..

that is very true but ive never prayed for anything for myself"

ok, it was just an example. maybe if there is a God the results of your requests just have to be translated in another way. who knows!?

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


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After Jesus death it would most possibly have been James that took over the movement, rather than (St) Peter.

!"

Or St Paul, who actually widened the religion to include non-Jews. The religion of Peter and James was simply a sect within the Jewish faith.

And of course, after all the excesses of the 4th and 5th centuries, he-who-must-not-be-drawn sat down and effectively tried to reboot the whole Abrahamic thing from first principles.

But even if you do believe religion and the holy books are twaddle, doesn't stop you believing in a single creator, or fate, or something, just ignore the whole "OMG you had anal sex - you will burn forever in the eternal flames of damnation" stuff

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire


"Yes Jo there is, otherwise how would one as beautiful as you have been created ?

you men!!! I was called a goddess yesterday by a bloke trying to get his leg over lol

as for god im undecided he never helps me when I ask

it must depend on what you ask and if he believes it would really help. for example if I ask too be rich I would fully expect to lose everything just so I can see how rich I had already been..

that is very true but ive never prayed for anything for myself

ok, it was just an example. maybe if there is a God the results of your requests just have to be translated in another way. who knows!? "

good point .. I will try in Chinese lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"never confuse Roman Catholicism with Christianity. it's quite literally all the old Roman gods with different names. "

Interesting viewpoint. Who then are the Roman Catholic equivalents of, for example, Bachus, Vesta, Saturn and Janus?

If you can convince me, I'll send you a bevy of toga-wearing virgins for the weekend

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"never confuse Roman Catholicism with Christianity. it's quite literally all the old Roman gods with different names.

Interesting viewpoint. Who then are the Roman Catholic equivalents of, for example, Bachus, Vesta, Saturn and Janus?

If you can convince me, I'll send you a bevy of toga-wearing virgins for the weekend "

Bacchus = Saint Vincent of Saragossa

Need me to go on? Do we get at least one virgin?

They don't all have an equivalent, early catholics weren't hot on the whole party and fun stuff

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By *ouplekinkCouple
over a year ago

kink town

Each to their own, but we believe it's all BS!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Each to their own, but we believe it's all BS! "

religion is, even Jesus told us that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I m undecided tbh but I always think this The Bible would be one hell of a work of fiction considering when it was written "

It pretty much all is fiction. It's made up

Of 66 different books written by different people fill of parables and hear-say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

NO. Next.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One of the corners stones of most religions (note the word most)is the immortal soul. Immortality is without beginning or without end. So if the immortal soul lives on after death then by deduction there must be life before birth?

The various teachings of the main religions are based on a fundamental premise that there is a higher all seeing and intervening being.

Personally I like the Beano or the Beezer as they have a little more reality and relevance in my life and I fancy Key Hole Kate!

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By *onitoMan
over a year ago

Milton of Campsie

Who is god's god?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Yes Jo there is, otherwise how would one as beautiful as you have been created ? "
ooo you charmer and must be a god to make you charming men here . lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you believe in god

He is real

If you don't

He's not

It really is that simple

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If you believe in god

He is real

If you don't

He's not

It really is that simple "
well I have a open mind I just don't know .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No idea

I personally do not believe

I believe god was made up to instill fear into people to control them and they're still doing that today in many places

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No god. Only man made idolatry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes Jo there is, otherwise how would one as beautiful as you have been created ? ooo you charmer and must be a god to make you charming men here . lol "

Oh yes I'm a bit of an old smoothie Jo lol - shame you lived a gazillion miles away from me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe in pink elephants on parade in my back garden... Not a problem I'm a harmless eccentric, leave me to get on with my beliefs.

I believe in pink elephants on parade in my back garden and due to them preferring men followers to women I've made my wife walk behind me.... OK I'm still a harmless eccentric and my beliefs are only affecting me and my wife, I should be left alone.

Now I'm building a monument to big pink elephants and coercing my children into my beliefs and I've also thrown in some do,s and don'ts like be forgiving, love things, prey daily to the big pink elephant but don't have sex, don't drink, don't be gay....

OK it's now a little worrying but hey ho I'm still just an eccentric and I'm not harming anyone.

After a few years this pink elephant thing is snowballing, I've got loads of pink elephant followers some are devout in their belief that the way of the elephant is the path to enlightenment and that anyone who mocks us or ridicules our elephant must be shut up before it gets seen as the crazed cult for what it is.

It's at this point that someone points out that the original guy that saw the pink elephants on parade was an alcoholic, that there's no proof of any pink elephants or pink elephant sanctuary in the sky...

Why can't we all just get along with our crazy beliefs without shooting each other.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Yes Jo there is, otherwise how would one as beautiful as you have been created ? ooo you charmer and must be a god to make you charming men here . lol

Oh yes I'm a bit of an old smoothie Jo lol - shame you lived a gazillion miles away from me "
Most of you are gazillion miles away from Norfolk ... god knows why as I dont.

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

I believe in God but I do not agree with religion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely Not !!

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By *ike4362ukMan
over a year ago

Cheshunt

Yes there is, and bless his noodliness...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I believe in pink elephants on parade in my back garden... Not a problem I'm a harmless eccentric, leave me to get on with my beliefs.

I believe in pink elephants on parade in my back garden and due to them preferring men followers to women I've made my wife walk behind me.... OK I'm still a harmless eccentric and my beliefs are only affecting me and my wife, I should be left alone.

Now I'm building a monument to big pink elephants and coercing my children into my beliefs and I've also thrown in some do,s and don'ts like be forgiving, love things, prey daily to the big pink elephant but don't have sex, don't drink, don't be gay....

OK it's now a little worrying but hey ho I'm still just an eccentric and I'm not harming anyone.

After a few years this pink elephant thing is snowballing, I've got loads of pink elephant followers some are devout in their belief that the way of the elephant is the path to enlightenment and that anyone who mocks us or ridicules our elephant must be shut up before it gets seen as the crazed cult for what it is.

It's at this point that someone points out that the original guy that saw the pink elephants on parade was an alcoholic, that there's no proof of any pink elephants or pink elephant sanctuary in the sky...

Why can't we all just get along with our crazy beliefs without shooting each other."

All hail the omnipitent pink elephant, creator of all that is good and enemy of all that is evil. At the end of this life I look forward to joining the great one in the great safari in the sky.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are things that we cannot detect with our physical bodies, there are feelings we get that are rational or irrational. We have invented instruments that see things what we can't see. I'm pretty sure we haven't detected everything that exists.

Everything we do is faith based, not in a religious sense but in a way that we don't know the truth and just have to assume that what we perceive is real until something proves otherwise to us.

I don't think God exists as religion makes out. There probably was a creator of everything, might just be electric that did it, might be compression, could be a combination of all kinds of things. Or everything might have always existed. I think it's quite amazing that we have been given the means to think, to imagine, and to work stuff out. I think the bodies we have are amazing, yeah sometimes a fault appears in them but it's very rare that happens.


"Well I sure ain't evolved from no monkey!

Lol"

Nobody evolved from monkeys. We share an ancestor though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution#Early_evolution_of_primates

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Always, been a believer, recently my job has made me think otherwise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"of course there's a god, there are indicators of it's existence, take the duck billed platypus and the fact that the moon is exactly the right distance between earth and the sun to give us a perfect solar eclipse just as the human race had become "self aware". There are more examples, just keep your eyes open. Does the human race need a God to survive? looking around at the moment I'd say yes. However the bible says were in a time of grace. it's up to you to have faith in him, not for him to prove his existence. no point in him telling you you need him with no proof. however if the world goes to hell without him it could be argued that that's all the proof you need."
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I guess your not a great believer in evolution then!.

I mean the whole theory of a God creating slime and waiting 800 million years for evolutionary procedures to develop a brain and the ability to think, and then dangle the carrot of a total eclipse as point and principle of his creation!

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By *heOwlMan
over a year ago

Altrincham


" How many believe in god. Children harmed and born with health problems and wars over religion loads go on and you think if there is a god why don't he do something. Do you believe. ? or believe in something different .? "

Was brought up to believe that there was, and I guess I did when younger. However had an epiphany whilst at school (well three years worth of epiphany) and realised the all those lovely book about such imaginary characters are just like any other fiction - make believe.

Not look back since

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very true.

After all Christianity was a political movement as well as a Jewish cult around the time of Jesus - probably viewed by the Roman Empire the same as we veiw political Islam now.

I liked the new Moses film. Puts a whole different perspective on the Old Testament.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

Yeah, and let's face it, the duck-billed platypus is clearly the result of some d*unken prank by one of the naughty angels whilest god was away smiting someone or another

Mr ddc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" How many believe in god. Children harmed and born with health problems and wars over religion loads go on and you think if there is a god why don't he do something. Do you believe. ? or believe in something different .? "

you seem to be questioning your existence more and more lately game whats brought this all about

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over a year ago


" How many believe in god. Children harmed and born with health problems and wars over religion loads go on and you think if there is a god why don't he do something. Do you believe. ? or believe in something different .?

you seem to be questioning your existence more and more lately game whats brought this all about"
Well in my time some strange things have happened to me so I think is there a afterlife and again not sure but seen things. I have prayed at times too when dad passed and I am just not sure who and what too .... when there is no hope you turn and think there is something at times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no god no after life,well, no evidence

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Evidence right here

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over a year ago


"Evidence right here "
really ?

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


" How many believe in god. Children harmed and born with health problems and wars over religion loads go on and you think if there is a god why don't he do something. Do you believe. ? or believe in something different .? "
. I believe in God . However we cannot expect God to be responsible for everything . Wars are. caused by people , not religion..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Evidence right here really ?"

Yeah. Ask my pal Jesus

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes Jo there is, otherwise how would one as beautiful as you have been created ? ooo you charmer and must be a god to make you charming men here . lol

Oh yes I'm a bit of an old smoothie Jo lol - shame you lived a gazillion miles away from me "

Next time you're up North Jo ....

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over a year ago


" How many believe in god. Children harmed and born with health problems and wars over religion loads go on and you think if there is a god why don't he do something. Do you believe. ? or believe in something different .?

you seem to be questioning your existence more and more lately game whats brought this all about Well in my time some strange things have happened to me so I think is there a afterlife and again not sure but seen things. I have prayed at times too when dad passed and I am just not sure who and what too .... when there is no hope you turn and think there is something at times."

true. i like to believe there is something in the afterlife. maybe reincarnation where you remain a free spirit and can explore the universe before your called back to earth to start a new life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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I pray to thor and odin.. Usually hoping Thor finds his way between my thighs x"

My God has a hammer - yours was nailed to a cross...

Coincidence?

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By *SweetVioletxWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

Nope. We're born, live, die - that's all folks.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"If the moon was bigger or smaller we would still get a total eclipse....only the patch in the dark would get bigger or smaller !"

Actually we wouldn't. If it further away or smaller there would be no total eclipse. If was a lot closer or bigger would not get the solar coronal affect, which makes it look so beautiful, that we do.

However, although I do personally believe in God, I do not see this as any sort of proof either for or against His existence.

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham


"Nope. We're born, live, die - that's all folks."

De dedede De deee

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"never confuse Roman Catholicism with Christianity. it's quite literally all the old Roman gods with different names. why do you think they have so many saints days? All just made up. Mary can forgive your sins? How? laughable. "

No, Mary can not forgive your sins, that's not Catholic belief. Mary can intercede on your behalf but only God can forgive sins. If you believe the Catholic church teaches otherwise you've misunderstood the doctrine you're placing that belief on.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"One of the corners stones of most religions (note the word most)is the immortal soul. Immortality is without beginning or without end. So if the immortal soul lives on after death then by deduction there must be life before birth?

The various teachings of the main religions are based on a fundamental premise that there is a higher all seeing and intervening being.

Personally I like the Beano or the Beezer as they have a little more reality and relevance in my life and I fancy Key Hole Kate!"

Your getting the word immortal mixed up with infinite. Something immortal can have a beginning and so, even it then lives for an infinite amount of time after it started, it is not infinite because it has a beginning.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope. All pish (and one of my parents is a minister).

B

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"If you believe in god

He is real

If you don't

He's not

It really is that simple "

This

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"If you believe in god

He is real

If you don't

He's not

It really is that simple well I have a open mind I just don't know ."

And you never will. You can't know you can only believe or not believe. Either way most have doubts about some aspects of their believe or non believe.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"I believe in pink elephants on parade in my back garden... Not a problem I'm a harmless eccentric, leave me to get on with my beliefs.

I believe in pink elephants on parade in my back garden and due to them preferring men followers to women I've made my wife walk behind me.... OK I'm still a harmless eccentric and my beliefs are only affecting me and my wife, I should be left alone.

Now I'm building a monument to big pink elephants and coercing my children into my beliefs and I've also thrown in some do,s and don'ts like be forgiving, love things, prey daily to the big pink elephant but don't have sex, don't drink, don't be gay....

OK it's now a little worrying but hey ho I'm still just an eccentric and I'm not harming anyone.

After a few years this pink elephant thing is snowballing, I've got loads of pink elephant followers some are devout in their belief that the way of the elephant is the path to enlightenment and that anyone who mocks us or ridicules our elephant must be shut up before it gets seen as the crazed cult for what it is.

It's at this point that someone points out that the original guy that saw the pink elephants on parade was an alcoholic, that there's no proof of any pink elephants or pink elephant sanctuary in the sky...

Why can't we all just get along with our crazy beliefs without shooting each other."

Most of us, whether Christian, Muslim, other faith or non, do just get on with our beliefs and don't shoot anybody.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Yes Jo there is, otherwise how would one as beautiful as you have been created ? ooo you charmer and must be a god to make you charming men here . lol

Oh yes I'm a bit of an old smoothie Jo lol - shame you lived a gazillion miles away from me Most of you are gazillion miles away from Norfolk ... god knows why as I dont. "

Have car, will travel.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

No.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"There are things that we cannot detect with our physical bodies, there are feelings we get that are rational or irrational. We have invented instruments that see things what we can't see. I'm pretty sure we haven't detected everything that exists.

Everything we do is faith based, not in a religious sense but in a way that we don't know the truth and just have to assume that what we perceive is real until something proves otherwise to us.

I don't think God exists as religion makes out. There probably was a creator of everything, might just be electric that did it, might be compression, could be a combination of all kinds of things. Or everything might have always existed. I think it's quite amazing that we have been given the means to think, to imagine, and to work stuff out. I think the bodies we have are amazing, yeah sometimes a fault appears in them but it's very rare that happens.

Well I sure ain't evolved from no monkey!

Lol

Nobody evolved from monkeys. We share an ancestor though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution#Early_evolution_of_primates"

This to

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over a year ago


"never confuse Roman Catholicism with Christianity. it's quite literally all the old Roman gods with different names. why do you think they have so many saints days? All just made up. Mary can forgive your sins? How? laughable.

No, Mary can not forgive your sins, that's not Catholic belief. Mary can intercede on your behalf but only God can forgive sins. If you believe the Catholic church teaches otherwise you've misunderstood the doctrine you're placing that belief on."

luckily for me I have no belief in the Catholic church. Apart from of course it's self serving nature. I believe in that!

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

Pointless question until the word god is defined

To date I think there are over a billion differing ideas what the word god means , some very similar some polar opposite

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"no god no after life,well, no evidence"

You don't need evidence to believe. In fact if there was real evidence there would be no need for belief because you would know.

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By *reedy_for_funCouple
over a year ago

My House


" Do you believe. ?"

No.

The need of mankind to hope that this isn't all there is so people want to believe there must be something after we die (the very thought that we can no longer think, feel, love etc drives people to believe in anything that keeps those things alive).

You're born, you live, you die. End of story. Until the last person who knew dies themselves, you live on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If there is a god, he/she should be arrested and charged with crimes against humanity. Many civilizations in history have "executed" their own gods for not doing a good job.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I can't see there being any form of God. We are an animal and subject to the same forces of nature as the rest of them. When we die we decompose and that's the end of us, apart from our life's influence carrying on.

People with different hopes, fears and needs created religions and ideas of Gods, and it all seems kind of nonsense to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"no god no after life,well, no evidence

You don't need evidence to believe. In fact if there was real evidence there would be no need for belief because you would know."
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I think more to the point is there any point in believing in it.

No believer can do anything that a non believer can do. It furthers nothing in your life here if there is an afterlife or a God, all you've done is waste alot of your time following practice's that you didn't need to.

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By *onitoMan
over a year ago

Milton of Campsie

I pray to the snow god Ullr for snow and the surf god Huey for some nice 6 to 8 ft barrels

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When I look at the women I married, I would have to say "Most Definitely."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I recall having a conversation with my grandfather a long time ago. He wasn't a church goer or of a strong faith. He drove landing craft though in the Second World War and he said - you'd be surprised who you saw praying, including him, when you knew your time could be about to be up.

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over a year ago


"I recall having a conversation with my grandfather a long time ago. He wasn't a church goer or of a strong faith. He drove landing craft though in the Second World War and he said - you'd be surprised who you saw praying, including him, when you knew your time could be about to be up.

"
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Yeah you could argue that due to 40 million prayers not getting answered including 4 million of the chosen ones in showers, that God is either a bit of a wanker or not there!

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By *ummersun99Woman
over a year ago

North Yorkshire by the Sea

Yes I have faith in god. But organised religion, I don't agree with. My faith is personal

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"Yes I have faith in god. But organised religion, I don't agree with. My faith is personal "

Which god concept do you have faith in ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Take a look at religion and astronomy. I beleive the story started in ancient times when people referred to the sun as god.

Mind u, back in those when the days become longer, food grows, it's warmer wouldn't u worship the big bright yellow ball in the sky?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

God spelt backwards is dog,wierd eh WOOF,WOOF!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope. Atheist here.

Born and raised as a Christian, and got dragged along to church on many an occasion. Yuck.

I didn't stop believing due to the apparent lack of intervention in poverty or anything like that, rather that I have always had an interest in the scientific and over the years have come to the conclusion that there is just too much scientific evidence to prove that there is no god.

...and then when you look at the Bible and think 'Really? Six days you say? Noah managed to get 2 of each of 5 million different animals onto a boat did he?' etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"God spelt backwards is dog,wierd eh WOOF,WOOF!"

FOOW! As god might say

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Take a look at religion and astronomy. I beleive the story started in ancient times when people referred to the sun as god.

Mind u, back in those when the days become longer, food grows, it's warmer wouldn't u worship the big bright yellow ball in the sky?

"

Historically there is some truth in that and explains why the God of Abraham is also often referred to as "The light of the World"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"God spelt backwards is dog,wierd eh WOOF,WOOF!"
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Funnily enough, that's the exact noise that dogs home that caught fire went up with.

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By *horshiperMan
over a year ago

London

Always believed in god. You should not fear god but hold god in your heart

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"Always believed in god. You should not fear god but hold god in your heart "

There are some god concepts that if were true one should indeed fear

Why do so many ignorantly use the word god assuming we know which one they are imagining ?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Nope. Atheist here.

Born and raised as a Christian, and got dragged along to church on many an occasion. Yuck.

I didn't stop believing due to the apparent lack of intervention in poverty or anything like that, rather that I have always had an interest in the scientific and over the years have come to the conclusion that there is just too much scientific evidence to prove that there is no god.

...and then when you look at the Bible and think 'Really? Six days you say? Noah managed to get 2 of each of 5 million different animals onto a boat did he?' etc.

"

I to adopt a scientific approach but I can see nothing in science that either proves or dis proves the existence or otherwise of gods, a god or God.

The fact that s literal interpretation of some of the stories may seem unlikely is totally irrelevant to the whether a deity exists.

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By *horshiperMan
over a year ago

London

I am a believer of shiva vishnu and bhrama but they are all one God. Why fear god ?

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over a year ago


"Nope. Atheist here.

Born and raised as a Christian, and got dragged along to church on many an occasion. Yuck.

I didn't stop believing due to the apparent lack of intervention in poverty or anything like that, rather that I have always had an interest in the scientific and over the years have come to the conclusion that there is just too much scientific evidence to prove that there is no god.

...and then when you look at the Bible and think 'Really? Six days you say? Noah managed to get 2 of each of 5 million different animals onto a boat did he?' etc.

I to adopt a scientific approach but I can see nothing in science that either proves or dis proves the existence or otherwise of gods, a god or God.

The fact that s literal interpretation of some of the stories may seem unlikely is totally irrelevant to the whether a deity exists.

"
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Roll up, roll up for the pink elephant on parade religion.

All the promises of the rest with no meaningless practises in between.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I to adopt a scientific approach but I can see nothing in science that either proves or dis proves the existence or otherwise of gods, a god or God."

True, but it's enough proof for me.

To be honest, I am much happier as an atheist

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"Nope. Atheist here.

Born and raised as a Christian, and got dragged along to church on many an occasion. Yuck.

I didn't stop believing due to the apparent lack of intervention in poverty or anything like that, rather that I have always had an interest in the scientific and over the years have come to the conclusion that there is just too much scientific evidence to prove that there is no god.

...and then when you look at the Bible and think 'Really? Six days you say? Noah managed to get 2 of each of 5 million different animals onto a boat did he?' etc.

I to adopt a scientific approach but I can see nothing in science that either proves or dis proves the existence or otherwise of gods, a god or God.

The fact that s literal interpretation of some of the stories may seem unlikely is totally irrelevant to the whether a deity exists.

"

I have no idea what a deity is ?

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By *horshiperMan
over a year ago

London

If someone wants to believe let them believe

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"If someone wants to believe let them believe "

Do you think the polytheistic treo of gods you believe in is the same as the Islamic god ?

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By *horshiperMan
over a year ago

London


"If someone wants to believe let them believe

Do you think the polytheistic treo of gods you believe in is the same as the Islamic god ?"

Yep all the same god interpreted in different ways and different beliefs.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"I to adopt a scientific approach but I can see nothing in science that either proves or dis proves the existence or otherwise of gods, a god or God.

True, but it's enough proof for me.

"
no proof is no proof, you can't claim to be being scientific and base anything on it
"

To be honest, I am much happier as an atheist"

And that's fine but based on nothing better than your own personal feelings, just like everyone else's belief or nom belief and, as such, no more or less valid than anyone else's.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

How about vulcan ?

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By *horshiperMan
over a year ago

London


"How about vulcan ?"

Vulcan too !

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"I to adopt a scientific approach but I can see nothing in science that either proves or dis proves the existence or otherwise of gods, a god or God.

True, but it's enough proof for me.

no proof is no proof, you can't claim to be being scientific and base anything on it

To be honest, I am much happier as an atheist

And that's fine but based on nothing better than your own personal feelings, just like everyone else's belief or nom belief and, as such, no more or less valid than anyone else's. "

It is certainly more valid , than a great number of "anyone else's "

It is factually inaccurate to declare that there cannot be any shading of the possibility or plausibility of an imagined concept x

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"How about vulcan ?"

If you new the real history of Vulcan you'd know that it's existence has already been dis proved.

There's more to Vulcan than Star Trek.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If someone wants to believe let them believe "

I agree with this.

Some of us don't even have the mental capacity to understand what a god or God is, how do we know if we're right or not?

Deity is another word for god, not to be confused with God.

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By *horshiperMan
over a year ago

London


"If someone wants to believe let them believe

I agree with this.

Some of us don't even have the mental capacity to understand what a god or God is, how do we know if we're right or not?

Deity is another word for god, not to be confused with God."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I to adopt a scientific approach but I can see nothing in science that either proves or dis proves the existence or otherwise of gods, a god or God.

True, but it's enough proof for me.

no proof is no proof, you can't claim to be being scientific and base anything on it

To be honest, I am much happier as an atheist

And that's fine but based on nothing better than your own personal feelings, just like everyone else's belief or nom belief and, as such, no more or less valid than anyone else's.

It is certainly more valid , than a great number of "anyone else's "

It is factually inaccurate to declare that there cannot be any shading of the possibility or plausibility of an imagined concept x"
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He keeps ignoring my pink elephant belief structure and it's making the gods angry

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By *horshiperMan
over a year ago

London


"I to adopt a scientific approach but I can see nothing in science that either proves or dis proves the existence or otherwise of gods, a god or God.

True, but it's enough proof for me.

no proof is no proof, you can't claim to be being scientific and base anything on it

To be honest, I am much happier as an atheist

And that's fine but based on nothing better than your own personal feelings, just like everyone else's belief or nom belief and, as such, no more or less valid than anyone else's.

It is certainly more valid , than a great number of "anyone else's "

It is factually inaccurate to declare that there cannot be any shading of the possibility or plausibility of an imagined concept x.

He keeps ignoring my pink elephant belief structure and it's making the gods angry "

Live your life as the best you can be and god will never be angry with you

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"How about vulcan ?

Vulcan too ! "

But you say one should not fear god , are you aware of the huge contrast between the god concepts

If i believed in vulcan I would be scared with good reason too

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"I to adopt a scientific approach but I can see nothing in science that either proves or dis proves the existence or otherwise of gods, a god or God.

True, but it's enough proof for me.

no proof is no proof, you can't claim to be being scientific and base anything on it

To be honest, I am much happier as an atheist

And that's fine but based on nothing better than your own personal feelings, just like everyone else's belief or nom belief and, as such, no more or less valid than anyone else's.

It is certainly more valid , than a great number of "anyone else's "

It is factually inaccurate to declare that there cannot be any shading of the possibility or plausibility of an imagined concept x"

I've done this discussion with you before. The way I see your belief system is just totally intolerant of any belief that is not your own. You can't discuss reasonably with intolerance and closed minds, especially when they won't engage and answer your questions because they think your trying to trick them or something. When you're ready to engage in a proper discussion of the issues and not evade answering reasonable questions I'll discuss it with you again, until then there is no point.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"I to adopt a scientific approach but I can see nothing in science that either proves or dis proves the existence or otherwise of gods, a god or God.

True, but it's enough proof for me.

no proof is no proof, you can't claim to be being scientific and base anything on it

To be honest, I am much happier as an atheist

And that's fine but based on nothing better than your own personal feelings, just like everyone else's belief or nom belief and, as such, no more or less valid than anyone else's.

It is certainly more valid , than a great number of "anyone else's "

It is factually inaccurate to declare that there cannot be any shading of the possibility or plausibility of an imagined concept x.

He keeps ignoring my pink elephant belief structure and it's making the gods angry

Live your life as the best you can be and god will never be angry with you "

Vulcan would as would rai think odin would and as for the ogre yaweh run run hard and fast xx

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By *ubaMiamiMan
over a year ago

london

I believe in God and Devils.

Dark Magic........A lot people flying to South America for deals and promises.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

I don't have a belief system xx

So you see it wrong

But if you think the vulcan god concept is equally as plausible as your personal belief then I can not really say much more x

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over a year ago


"I to adopt a scientific approach but I can see nothing in science that either proves or dis proves the existence or otherwise of gods, a god or God.

True, but it's enough proof for me.

no proof is no proof, you can't claim to be being scientific and base anything on it

To be honest, I am much happier as an atheist

And that's fine but based on nothing better than your own personal feelings, just like everyone else's belief or nom belief and, as such, no more or less valid than anyone else's.

It is certainly more valid , than a great number of "anyone else's "

It is factually inaccurate to declare that there cannot be any shading of the possibility or plausibility of an imagined concept x.

He keeps ignoring my pink elephant belief structure and it's making the gods angry

Live your life as the best you can be and god will never be angry with you "
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Yeah trouble is I like getting d*unk to much!.... That and whoring restricts me to my own little construct of the pink elephant God

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By *horshiperMan
over a year ago

London


"I to adopt a scientific approach but I can see nothing in science that either proves or dis proves the existence or otherwise of gods, a god or God.

True, but it's enough proof for me.

no proof is no proof, you can't claim to be being scientific and base anything on it

To be honest, I am much happier as an atheist

And that's fine but based on nothing better than your own personal feelings, just like everyone else's belief or nom belief and, as such, no more or less valid than anyone else's.

It is certainly more valid , than a great number of "anyone else's "

It is factually inaccurate to declare that there cannot be any shading of the possibility or plausibility of an imagined concept x.

He keeps ignoring my pink elephant belief structure and it's making the gods angry

Live your life as the best you can be and god will never be angry with you .

Yeah trouble is I like getting d*unk to much!.... That and whoring restricts me to my own little construct of the pink elephant God "

If you are not hurting anyone then its all good. Are you referring to Ganesh btw

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"I to adopt a scientific approach but I can see nothing in science that either proves or dis proves the existence or otherwise of gods, a god or God.

True, but it's enough proof for me.

no proof is no proof, you can't claim to be being scientific and base anything on it

To be honest, I am much happier as an atheist

And that's fine but based on nothing better than your own personal feelings, just like everyone else's belief or nom belief and, as such, no more or less valid than anyone else's.

It is certainly more valid , than a great number of "anyone else's "

It is factually inaccurate to declare that there cannot be any shading of the possibility or plausibility of an imagined concept x.

He keeps ignoring my pink elephant belief structure and it's making the gods angry

Live your life as the best you can be and god will never be angry with you .

Yeah trouble is I like getting d*unk to much!.... That and whoring restricts me to my own little construct of the pink elephant God

If you are not hurting anyone then its all good. Are you referring to Ganesh btw "
ganesh followers good gracious no their splitters, I mean the one true pink elephant God, only available to those who've brought there conscienceness to the level of jack Daniels

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"How about vulcan ?

If you new the real history of Vulcan you'd know that it's existence has already been dis proved.

There's more to Vulcan than Star Trek. "

Very very interesting x

Anyone who has followed our conversations , including yourself may note , that I suggest there are millions of differing god concepts

You may also remember you saying that no-one including myself can rule out the existence of a god concept

You may note that the words beyond logic or evidence are mentioned

You may remember that I suggest that some god concepts can be illustrated through logic and fact to either non possible or non plausible

You only a few posts away said

"And that's fine but based on nothing better than your own personal feelings, just like everyone else's belief or nom belief and, as such, no more or less valid than anyone else's"

And then chastised me for suggesting we can shade the possibility or plausibility using , logic and data

Yet above you're quite happy to accept the" god of fire" which was believed by many, is one concept that cannot exist

There are millions of human imaginings regarding what "if"it existed a god might be

One thing we certainly can do if told the details of the imagined concept , is assess it's plausibility or possibility

And by your own validation we can indeed distinguish "SOME" as nonsense

I would love to know what evidence you base your wild unsubstantiated claim that "if" a god existed it is beyond possibility to know it exists

That point alone is a definition of your god concept and it's logical implication is the concept is 100% result of human imagination

Now I can't say your wild imagined guess is not By pure chance , a truth

However I can say that it would be unreasonable for me to take such imagination seriously , especially after a small exploration of the workings of the human mind

I will say

Define your god as a creator and I think time logic and data will be able to establish yes or no

Define your god anything other than creator and

I have little doubt aliens exist xx

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"How about vulcan ?

If you new the real history of Vulcan you'd know that it's existence has already been dis proved.

There's more to Vulcan than Star Trek.

Very very interesting x

Anyone who has followed our conversations , including yourself may note , that I suggest there are millions of differing god concepts

You may also remember you saying that no-one including myself can rule out the existence of a god concept

You may note that the words beyond logic or evidence are mentioned

You may remember that I suggest that some god concepts can be illustrated through logic and fact to either non possible or non plausible

You only a few posts away said

"And that's fine but based on nothing better than your own personal feelings, just like everyone else's belief or nom belief and, as such, no more or less valid than anyone else's"

And then chastised me for suggesting we can shade the possibility or plausibility using , logic and data

Yet above you're quite happy to accept the" god of fire" which was believed by many, is one concept that cannot exist

There are millions of human imaginings regarding what "if"it existed a god might be

One thing we certainly can do if told the details of the imagined concept , is assess it's plausibility or possibility

And by your own validation we can indeed distinguish "SOME" as nonsense

I would love to know what evidence you base your wild unsubstantiated claim that "if" a god existed it is beyond possibility to know it exists

That point alone is a definition of your god concept and it's logical implication is the concept is 100% result of human imagination

Now I can't say your wild imagined guess is not By pure chance , a truth

However I can say that it would be unreasonable for me to take such imagination seriously , especially after a small exploration of the workings of the human mind

I will say

Define your god as a creator and I think time logic and data will be able to establish yes or no

Define your god anything other than creator and

I have little doubt aliens exist xx

"

Actually my reference to Vulcan, whilst somewhat tongue in cheek, was not referring to either Vulcan (the Roman god of fire) or Vulcan (the fictional planet in the Star Trek series) but to Vulcan (the hypothetical small planet proposed to exist in an orbit between Mercury and the Sun. Attempting to explain peculiarities of Mercury's orbit).

But, as you’ve brought it to more prominence, there is some relevance. The French mathematician Urbain Le Verrier hypothesized that it must exist in order to explain the actual movements of Mercury’s orbit in order to fit in with the accepted science of the day. His hypothesis was based on rational reasoning and logic. That was the big Treky ‘in joke’ about Mr. Spock and the Vulcans. Their home planet was given the same name as the planet that most dramatically shows the failings of basing beliefs on reason and logic alone.

That’s not to say that the scientific method is wrong but that we can only extrapolate from the proof what it actually proves, no more and no less.

However, although I did not actually say what you claimed I said about Vulcan, the Roman god of fire, I will now say it this. The Roman pantheon of gods where believed to exist in, and only in, the reality, what we might call the now the known universe. Much like fairies, ghosts and pixies. As these things were/are believed to exist in the world (real or other) and therefore part of the known universe I would expect some evidence, other than anecdotal, to exist that would prove their existence. So far I have seen none.

I am not talking about a god or gods. All gods (with a small ‘g’) where believed to exist within the known universe and I see no proof of their existence in the known universe. If ever proof is brought to light of the actual existence of these gods then we would be able to find out exactly what they were but would not have actually answered anything because we would then have the question what or who made them. While a lot of these gods were believed to be immortal they were not believed to be infinite and we have previously agreed that something infinite must exist at some point.

To define the god concept I am talking about. I believe in an omnipotent, omnipresent and infinite god which I call God. This God, whilst being both in the universe and existing before the universe, is not part of the universe and is not measurable or containable. People choose to believe or choose not to believe, nothing more.

Your choice not to believe or to unbelieve or whatever word or phrase you want to say, is simply that; your choice. It is arrogant and dangerous to assume that your way of reaching your ‘belief’ is somehow better than anyone else’s. It is that absolute certainty in the incorrectness of other people’s belief or lack of belief that leads to people killing others, much as what happened in Paris last week. If you cannot tolerate others beliefs or their way of reaching them because they do not fit in with your model of how things and the world should be then tell me how that is any different from any other fundamentalist in any religion?

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield


"I m undecided tbh but I always think this The Bible would be one hell of a work of fiction considering when it was written "

The Bible was not written as a book it is a combination of texts written by many different people. Some of the texts originally included in the bible have been dropped from the versions used today. (Have a look for Gnostic scriptures).

Science does not rule out God, just as evolution theory does not rule out God, because science and evolution do not offer the origin of creation which is of course God.

The bible is men’s limited explanation of creation written down so that uneducated people can understand the concept very much in the way that current explanations of scientific principles are simplified for the masses.

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over a year ago

I wish people would stop calling evolution a theory. It's a fact, a scientifically proven fact.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

Craken ?

" If you cannot tolerate others beliefs or their way of reaching them because they do not fit in with your model of how things and the world should be then tell me how that is any different from any other fundamentalist in any religion?"

Seems you do have an active imagination

Please x illustrate where I mention I have no tolerance ?

In an open forum , where the discussion is regarding the plausibility of creator concepts I only articulate there is zero data for me to form a belief system and that it is plausible to use fact and logic to illustrate that some of the human imagined concepts are beyond possibility

More than once I state if that which a person believes is harmless then let them be, tis their life not mine x

If you can't tolerate a counter position to your view then perhaps don't post on an open forum discussing " does a god exist"

I don't state anywhere you should not hold your personaly constructed, adapted , relatively imagined god concept

It's not unreasonable , or an indication of intolerance to discus the symbiosis of religion and indoctrination and psychological concepts such as memes , also the very real facts regarding the inventiveness of the human mind , using optical illusions as a start point fact

To be clear

I may indeed be emphatic that God concepts are only manifest of human imagination and without basis , which I'm happy to debate

I do not say a person is stupid because they believe nor that they should not believe x

Don't mis project my thoughts that's dishonest slander xx

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"I wish people would stop calling evolution a theory. It's a fact, a scientifically proven fact."

It may be mostly proven fact but it's still a theory. I know that some ling to fact evolution is 'only a theory' as meaning that it may not be correct. In science being a theory has no bearing on the correct or incorrectness of it.

A theory in science does not quite the same meaning as the world theory in common use.

For example all of maths is based on theories included the theory that ultimately says 1+1=2. The fact that it is a theory does mean that it is not true.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I m undecided tbh but I always think this The Bible would be one hell of a work of fiction considering when it was written "

same could be said of several of the great writers epic works..

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Religion causes wars, is that gods work?

Religion doesn't cause war.......mankind causes war, so many just use religion as an excuse.

Kinky"

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over a year ago


"I wish people would stop calling evolution a theory. It's a fact, a scientifically proven fact.

It may be mostly proven fact but it's still a theory. I know that some ling to fact evolution is 'only a theory' as meaning that it may not be correct. In science being a theory has no bearing on the correct or incorrectness of it.

A theory in science does not quite the same meaning as the world theory in common use.

For example all of maths is based on theories included the theory that ultimately says 1+1=2. The fact that it is a theory does mean that it is not true.

"

Yes, I understand the semantic distinction. But, in everyday usage people don't speak of 'the theory of addition'. They just say addition. The issue I was addressing is that there is an all too common perception that evolution is just an idea that is no more proven than creationism or intelligent design.

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield


"I wish people would stop calling evolution a theory. It's a fact, a scientifically proven fact."

Nothing in science is a fact. The whole basis of scientific researched is based on advancing theories which are tested, peer reviewed and stand until a better theory is advanced. Then the cycle of testing and peer review begins again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe in a higher being not god I do think their are greater forces at work but they watching us not interfering we us in a god like way

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"To define the god concept I am talking about. I believe in an omnipotent, omnipresent and infinite god which I call God. This God, whilst being both in the universe and existing before the universe, is not part of the universe and is not measurable or containable."

"omnipotent

?m'n?p?tnt/Submit

adjective

(of a deity) having unlimited power.

"God is described as omnipotent and benevolent"

synonyms: all-powerful, almighty, supreme, most high, pre-eminent; More

having great power and influence.

I'd suggest your above definition has logical errors within it , or as some of us would say "contradictions"

As you have repeatedly said your god concept has zero basis or validation , which if that's what you wish to hold dear and believe to be true that's up to you lol however it's not unreasonable rude disrespectful closed minded or intolerant to suggest

A thing that is deemed or imagined or claimed to be omnipotent

"all-powerful, almighty, supreme, most high, pre-eminent; More

having great power and influence."

By the very word "influence " would to some degree be measureable

Now remove the word omnipotent and to my mind you do not describe anything that most people could recognise or define as a god , you merely describe magnetic anti matter and that I have zero problem mentally resolving as both possible and plausible xx

For the word god to mean anything it has to have definition attributes which distinguish it from any other word such as smegma

Omnipotent seems fair but that particular definition has baggage that can be tested for

Just as one could infer a planet around a distant star , not by direct observation of said planet but by the observed movement of said star x back to Vulcan but this time in context, as your last tongue in cheek misdirection , was wildly out of context where it was obvious I was refering to the fire god , not a theorised planet

Now I can only assume "tongue in cheek " that,

You feel your god concept and the Greek vulcan story are equally plausible ?

As from your above comments I would infer you would be "intolerant" not to do so

Yet logically ? If you believe your story and not the Greek one I might suggest you have reasond that yours is more plausible ?

Oddly your god concept has certain overtones of the god concept that the alpha course indoctrinates , but I guess that's the power of memes xx its all a bit pick n mix

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

Oh and the fact that humans have a word "parasite"

Logically the god definition can't have omniscient and benevolent

One or the other yes but the two together create an oxymoron

Here's another

The beginning of infinity

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By *ipswingCouple
over a year ago

portrush

god is, a concept by which we...........

very few of us even know what makes up our little finger...

and our heads are even bigger

how many words would it take to describe all the goings on that make up a blade of grass..never mind its relationship to the rest of the world.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't believe in god, everything that happenes dont have to have a meaning of why it does, it just happends and that's it, does who believe tho wont accept that.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I think my god is my god and I don't under stand but I like to think there is something in the next world.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"I don't believe in god, everything that happenes dont have to have a meaning of why it does, it just happends and that's it, does who believe tho wont accept that."

I have no problem accepting everything that happens could have no meaning or a reason and that it just happens. It's perfectly plausible. It's just not what I actually believe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

God, no God, after life, no after life.

What difference does it make.

Your either going there or your not going there, but preying, and church visits and the whole stupid ceremonies ain't going to make any difference at all.

Unless you believe in those books word for word and if you do.

that's where I have a problem with religious people!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

i have no issues with any person having a chosen faith and living their lives by that doctrine etc..

my issue's are when the more extremist minded decide to use the 'written word' to oppress others or worse..

burning abortion clinics etc just aint nice..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe in god etc but having real trouble with him at the moment. Must of pissed him off real bad x

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

watched "the truth about religion" on you tube noted that it seems all our gods are from same source/same tale. all sun worships /moon/ stars age of aquarius etc....and thought if they are all the same...whats all the fuss about ? maybe budhists have it right

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By *ackdd72Man
over a year ago

the valleys

simple answer...no there is no god

religiously confused answer....Hell no

thought provoking answer if there is a god he's one fucked up wierdo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"simple answer...no there is no god

religiously confused answer....Hell no

thought provoking answer if there is a god he's one fucked up wierdo"

Dunno if he is a weirdo. I think being turned into a pillar of salt is a perfectly valid punishment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is there a god ! Of cause . He works in a chip shop with Elvis.

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